Coronavirus Death Thread

[Magic]

Ah there it is again. :harold:

[randomlegend]

Lolling about small children being seriously unwell and needing intensive care is low even for you.

[Magic]

Who's laughing at that? The laugh is that you think because 1 child in a billion had more than a sniffly nose and that's cause to have a panic attack.

[randomlegend]

We've had 4 kids transferred to PICU with it in the last few months. Addenbrooke's has a team specifically set up to deal with it.

It's not cause for 'panic attacks', but I would still get my kid vaccinated if I had one.

[Magic]

And how many children are there under the area you cover? About a million or something? So that's 1 a month, out of a trillion children. Excuse me for not being able to get hard.

[Kikó]

A trillion children? Yikes!

[randomlegend]

And how many children are there under the area you cover? About a million or something? So that's 1 a month, out of a trillion children. Excuse me for not being able to get hard.

The entire population served by the hospital is under a million. Extrapolating from the UK data as a whole, about 18% of that will be under 16. So we serve less than 180,000 children as a department.

So that's ~1 in 45,000 children going to intensive care from Norfolk for PIMSTS in the last few months. That's much higher than the clot risk for the Astrazeneca jab, also bearing in mind that clot risk is in people who've actually definitely had the jab as compared to the PIMSTS risk being for every child in Norfolk, many of whom won't have had covid.

I'm well aware that's all anecdotal and not proper research, but the point remains I would still want to vaccinate my hypothetical child based on my experience.

[Magic]

And were these children fit and healthy with nothing underlying? Honest answer only, please.

[Magic]

Also if you had a child you'd have a different opinion, and I appreciate it's not like the healthcare profession/the science to just look at numbers rather than real life, but we'll let you off this time.

[randomlegend]

And were these children fit and healthy with nothing underlying? Honest answer only, please.

One was overweight, but no other underlying health conditions. The others were completely fit and well.

[Magic]

So 4 becomes 3. Bearing in mind the argument here is protecting the ones that are higher risk, and if there's none then leave it be.

[randomlegend]

Also if you had a child you'd have a different opinion, and I appreciate it's not like the healthcare profession/the science to just look at numbers rather than real life, but we'll let you off this time.

I'm looking at the real life of seeing these children become extremely unwell and having to go to intensive care. The numbers just happen to also back me up.

[randomlegend]

So 4 becomes 3. Bearing in mind the argument here is protecting the ones that are higher risk, and if there's none then leave it be.

No 4 doesn't become 3. Being overweight isn't relevant to every condition, and there's no evidence it puts kids at higher risk of PIMSTS.

[Magic]

I'm looking at the real life of seeing these children become extremely unwell and having to go to intensive care. The numbers just happen to also back me up.

Why do you care about it so much with these minute numbers? What about cancer and all the other illnesses where the rates are far worse the 3 in a gazillion? Why isn't this much effort being put in to other more serious, pressing and prevalent issues?

[Magic]

No 4 doesn't become 3. Being overweight isn't relevant to every condition, and there's no evidence it puts kids at higher risk of PIMSTS.

There's no evidence kids are at risk of this either, barring your ultra exceptional cases (probably due to your shit hospital).

[Spikey M]

There is a 0% chance you're going to convince him RL but God love you for trying.

For my part, information has been taken on board. Thanks.

AstraZenica appears to be off the menu for the under 40's now anyway, and Pfizer and Moderna seem to worry people less. Rightly or wrongly.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

From a trillion children to a gazillion...

[randomlegend]

Why do you care about it so much with these minute numbers? What about cancer and all the other illnesses where the rates are far worse the 3 in a gazillion? Why isn't this much effort being put in to other more serious, pressing and prevalent issues?

The numbers aren't that small. Because it's serious. What 'effort' are you talking about? If there was an available vaccine for cancer I can assure you I'd want to give that to kids too.

Oh wait, there is a vaccine which prevents nearly all of a certain type of cancer. The HPV vaccine. Maybe we should organise a national HPV vaccination programme?

[Magic]

Lol so there have been 268 cases of PIMS or whatever acronym you lot have applied to it, in the whole of the UK, ever. That's out of 13 million under-16s.

216 of those were PIMS only, so less other similar immune disease.

32 of those were overweight, and 43 of those had other underlying health conditions.

Of the 118 admitted to hospital, only 89 didn't have that other auto-immune stuff (but were still overweight/underlying health).

Of the 118 that went to hospital, 2 died.

So that's 2 children, in a year, from 13 million.

[Magic]

There is a 0% chance you're going to convince him RL but God love you for trying.

For my part, information has been taken on board. Thanks.

AstraZenica appears to be off the menu for the under 40's now anyway, and Pfizer and Moderna seem to worry people less. Rightly or wrongly.

I know, it's just fun. Imagine how fucked up your world is making decisions based on numbers. Like a health accountant.

"This is people's lives"

*makes decisions based on numbers and no humanity whatsoever*

[Kikó]

Ah we're back to "if you have an underlying health condition you're pretty much dead" line of argument.

[randomlegend]

Lol so there have been 268 cases of PIMS or whatever acronym you lot have applied to it, in the whole of the UK, ever. That's out of 13 million under-16s.


https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00052-1/fulltext

That's where you've taken those numbers from.


Cases with symptom onset between 01 March and 15 June 2020 were included.

I.e a month and a half, not a year.

Quality reading.

Kawasaki and toxic shock are not underlying conditions, they are part of the same illness.

[randomlegend]

I know, it's just fun. Imagine how fucked up your world is making decisions based on numbers. Like a health accountant.

"This is people's lives"

*makes decisions based on numbers and no humanity whatsoever*

You're literally the one doing that.

"It's only this many so it doesn't matter if some kids die from it".

[Spikey M]

Fancy a Pims now ffs.

[Baz]

If your kid* is fat, as in clinically obese, I hope you both get PMSL or whatever.



*I have the right to change my mind if my child gets fat.

[Magic]

You're literally the one doing that.

"It's only this many so it doesn't matter if some kids die from it".

Stop making out like it's 50/50.

[Magic]

Ah we're back to "if you have an underlying health condition you're pretty much dead" line of argument.

The argument is why vaccinate healthy children against something that's harmless to them.

[Magic]

Any more people without kids want to tell us how to parent.

[randomlegend]

The argument is why vaccinate healthy children against something that's harmless to them.

By your own logic, the vaccine is even more harmless.

[Spikey M]

He's a paediatrician giving advice on kids health. Come back down of the ledge Mags.

[Magic]

By your own logic, the vaccine is even more harmless.

And doing nothing is even more harmless still. :)

[randomlegend]

And doing nothing is even more harmless still. :)

I can't work out any more whether you're just trolling or you're genuinely too thick to understand.

[Baz]

By your own logic, the vaccine is even more harmless.Surely there’s a chance, no matter how slim, of some bad side effects coming to light in the future?

[Magic]

That quarantine travel exemption list though. :D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

He's a paediatrician giving advice on kids health. Come back down of the ledge Mags.

He's never leaving it.

[Spikey M]

That's my in-laws holiday to Antigua next month fucked.

Mental. Their 7 day average for cases is fucking 0.

[Spikey M]

He's never leaving it.

You've got to admire the spirit.

[Spikey M]

New Zealand and Australia on the green list :D

Good luck with them.

[randomlegend]

Surely there’s a chance, no matter how slim, of some bad side effects coming to light in the future?

Equally there's a chance of some unforeseen bad long term effects of covid. There's already concerns about lasting cardiac damage from covid even in people who were minimally symptomatic.

[randomlegend]

Anyway, the actual argument against my position is that you can't be sure that being vaccinated would prevent PIMSTS until you start vaccinating.

[Pepe]

I have gotten a couple of invites to events (that I have zero interest in attending) explicitly saying to not come if you are not vaccinated. A month ago they would have been ok with everyone attending, even though no one was vaccinated, but now, not anymore. It is always funny how the safer things get the more worried about safety some people become.

EDIT: Masks and social distancing are still expected, of course. :harold:

[Spikey M]

Yeah, well, you can't be sure that being vaccinated would prevent PIMSTS until you start vaccinating.

[Magic]

Equally there's a chance of some unforeseen bad long term effects of covid. There's already concerns about lasting cardiac damage from covid even in people who were minimally symptomatic.

I care more about children than Karen from Norwich.

[Pepe]

What if Karen is a child herself. :sherlock:

[Magic]

RL hasn't had kids yet.

[randomlegend]

Yeah, well, you can't be sure that being vaccinated would prevent PIMSTS until you start vaccinating.

True, good point Spikey.

[niko_cee]

The "you'll understand when you have kids" line/argument is just the worst.

[Shindig]

Awesome, I'm picking Pfizer for my jab, then. And having a good old British holiday in shit British weather.

[Magic]

The "you'll understand when you have kids" line/argument is just the worst.

Look, I have kids but I don't use them.

[Spikey M]

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Isn't it pretty much fucking useless?

[Shindig]

The vaccine's developer, Beijing Biological Products Institute, has not released any detailed data about its efficacy, but has said the jab is 79.34% effective in preventing people from developing the disease, based on interim data, according to Reuters news agency

Lads, c'mon.

[7om]

They haven’t published any efficacy data as far as I know so I’m not sure what the WHO are basing this endorsement on.

[phonics]

Unrelated but did anyone hear about the guy who had no underlying conditions or anything but was one of the first people in the vaccine queue and after looking into it it's because his BMI had him listed as clinically obese due to a data entry error listing him as 6 inches tall not 6 foot.

I know it's probably automated but you'd think the people looking at it would have heard about the 6 inch tall man from Derby.

[Shindig]

I remember seeing that. I was annoyed the picture of the bloke wasn't Lofty.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Unrelated but did anyone hear about the guy who had no underlying conditions or anything but was one of the first people in the vaccine queue and after looking into it it's because his BMI had him listed as clinically obese due to a data entry error listing him as 6 inches tall not 6 foot.

I know it's probably automated but you'd think the people looking at it would have heard about the 6 inch tall man from Derby.

6cms.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-56111209

I posted the link a while back.

BMI of 28k.

[Magic]

How tall are you Mahow.

[Baz]

The "you'll understand when you have kids" line/argument is just the worst.

I hate it when people talk to you like you’re simple and pull the “imagine if it was your mum” style line. Like fuck off I know how empathy works, I just don’t have any. Leave my mum out of it.

[Yevrah]

They haven’t published any efficacy data as far as I know so I’m not sure what the WHO are basing this endorsement on.

Continuing their number one goal of being a mouthpiece for China, presumably.

[Queenslander]

Our right-far right Federal Government has said that our international borders will remain closed untill 2022 at the earliest.

Lol

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-09/scott-morrison-australia-coronavirus-international-borders-shut/100127142?fbclid=IwAR2_Pi1ria4ksHVRYax34GogT6nGvrM hX0HR6TGR6rPa94pnQvphy6bejjI&sf245721880=1

Federal election is up this year so I'm sure they won't go all xenophobic or out right racist or anything...

[Don]

Happy Jerusalem Day lads. The video of the Israeli geezer trying to run over some muzzies is great banter, he must have been about a minute away from being torn limb to limb.

What act are Fulham and Burnley players taking tonight to raise awareness about the Palestinian plight? :sherlock:

[Yevrah]

Hugging cautiously or safely might just be a new height of ridiculous in all this.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Deepti says it is still not safe to hug at all.

[Yevrah]

Oh God, I wish I hadn't seen that. :sick:

Focusing on a single variant growing is so disingenuous.

[7om]

Hugging allowed. Get a grip, it’s been happening for months.

[Yevrah]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dyvVsykR5Q

Getting donned by a Children's campaigner when you're a medical professional.

I also wish we'd stop referring to Australia as being back to normal. Sporadic lockdowns and not letting your own nationals in is not normal.

[Spikey M]

I can't believe there's many people still following the rules at this stage. The vaccinated mob especially.

[Yevrah]

I can't believe there's many people still following the rules at this stage. The vaccinated mob especially.

My Mum bless her was going to go over to my Sister's garden the other day and then didn't in the end as she only would on condition that My sister and her family (including her 9 year old, who legally doesn't need to wear a mask anywhere) wore 'light masks'.

I doubt there are many like that in the circles we move in, but an absolute shedload in the circles we don't. Deepti's fear spreading can't be helping.

[Queenslander]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dyvVsykR5Q

Getting donned by a Children's campaigner when you're a medical professional.

I also wish we'd stop referring to Australia as being back to normal. Sporadic lockdowns and not letting your own nationals in is not normal.

All of us vaccinated by 2024...

[niko_cee]

Where does that time frame come from? We're going to be pretty much done here by the end of the summer and even the clusterfuck that is the EU will probably have most of it done by the end of the year. Is it intentional so as to never let anyone in or out again?

[Queenslander]

Where does that time frame come from? We're going to be pretty much done here by the end of the summer and even the clusterfuck that is the EU will probably have most of it done by the end of the year. Is it intentional so as to never let anyone in or out again?

Election is coming up the Liberals don't want to vaccinate us only for Labor to win in a landslide.

Scummo got one of those fancy medals from Trump.

[Queenslander]

51st State.

https://i.ibb.co/2nPQsbg/2586.jpg (https://ibb.co/4mMGYQP)

[7om]

Getting donned by a Children's campaigner when you're a medical professional.

I also wish we'd stop referring to Australia as being back to normal. Sporadic lockdowns and not letting your own nationals in is not normal.

She really is scum that Deepti. She’s a two-bit epidemiologist that seems to revel in making people feel guilty about wanting to see their loved ones. She offers no solutions or proposals beyond “we’ve got to get this under control”.

She’s delusional if she truly believes vaccinated grandparents aren’t hugging their grandkids.

[Magic]

But I bet some aren't, such is the level of brainwashing.

[Jimmy Floyd]

She really is scum that Deepti. She’s a two-bit epidemiologist that seems to revel in making people feel guilty about wanting to see their loved ones. She offers no solutions or proposals beyond “we’ve got to get this under control”.

She’s delusional if she truly believes vaccinated grandparents aren’t hugging their grandkids.

She's been the most dishonest person going from day one. Absolutely everything for her is 'concerning'. Good news does not exist.

[Yevrah]

Is there any footage anywhere of someone actually challenging her?

[Spikey M]

Zero deaths recorded today. :cool:

[Yevrah]

Zero deaths recorded today. :cool:

Knew that would happen before we were allowed back in a pub. :D

[Kikó]

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Accidently questioned this hyperbole. Jesus wept, chill out.

[Yevrah]

Honestly, moving from "number of cases being alarming" to "% of cases from one variant being alarming" is so utterly tragic.

How did these people get to where they are with analytical reasoning like that?

[Lewis]

Serves you right for venturing into credentials in username world.

[Kikó]

She's not in any position of power, just a maths wanker.

[Lewis]

She's Independent SAGE. Bit of respect thanks you nobody.

[7om]

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Accidently questioned this hyperbole. Jesus wept, chill out.

I wouldn’t bother mate. These people are so far up their own arses it’s frightening.

[Don]

7 days left till saunas, keep calm and carry on.

[Spikey M]

Kiko holding THE SCIENCE and Team Fear to account. beautiful stuff. A solitary tear must be rolling down Yevs face as we speak.

[Yevrah]

That TLDR might be the best I've ever seen. Completely misrepresenting the wider picture as it does.

[Yevrah]

Kiko holding THE SCIENCE and Team Fear to account. beautiful stuff. A solitary tear must be rolling down Yevs face as we speak.

Good to see Kiks fighting the good fight, but the battle is sadly not yet won. There are genuinely people in that thread saying "why won't the government listen to the scientists".

"Proportion of cases from one variant" is now our enemy.

[Spikey M]

They're an irrelevance. Public opinion in general seems to have swayed hugely over the last month.

This lot are the same people that still have EU flags in their profiles. They are incapable of moving on. Bless 'em.

[Magic]

The MSM has been doing amazing tl;drs for years.

[Shindig]

Just looking at the Sanger graphs now. I don't see what the panic is. Kent's on the way out, India's on the up but cases are down overall. If they're that worried, stick a wall around Bolton.

[Kikó]

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I've been rumbled.

[Magic]

Lol that's what you used to do to us, mate.

[Lewis]

You have to wonder about some of the people having a go at you. Not just in terms of this, but is their entire worldview and approach to life shaped by what they're told? Besides, wouldn't doing so only lead you to conclude that the government must be right because they have the best advice?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I gave Jess a like.

[Kikó]

Lol that's what you used to do to us, mate.

I just think you're a bit deranged.

[Kikó]

You have to wonder about some of the people having a go at you. Not just in terms of this, but is their entire worldview and approach to life shaped by what they're told? Besides, wouldn't doing so only lead you to conclude that the government must be right because they have the best advice?

I think some are conflicted because they need the government to be fucking up again so they can shriek on Twitter about their reckless way and the vaccines have completely ruined the narrative.

[Shindig]

I'd call a Professor by their first name. Twitter's not under lab conditions.

[randomlegend]

You have to wonder about some of the people having a go at you. Not just in terms of this, but is their entire worldview and approach to life shaped by what they're told? Besides, wouldn't doing so only lead you to conclude that the government must be right because they have the best advice?

Only if you believe the government actually listen to the advice they get.

[Lewis]

They must listen to enough of it for those giving the advice not to have walked.

[Magic]

Not if they're being paid a fair wedge in consultancy.

[Yevrah]

We wouldn’t still be in quasi lockdown if the government weren’t listening to the advice they get.

[Kikó]

I managed to book my second jab directly using this. End of June and I'll be fully vaxxed.

https://www.nhs.uk/book-a-coronavirus-vaccination/do-you-have-an-nhs-number

[niko_cee]

Do you not get the second one booked in when you get the first one booked? Seems a bit mad seeing as there is a [limited] time window.

1st tomorrow for me (Pfizer) and then 2nd on June 21st.

[Boydy]

Do you not get the second one booked in when you get the first one booked? Seems a bit mad seeing as there is a [limited] time window.

1st tomorrow for me (Pfizer) and then 2nd on June 21st.

Yeah, I was given the date for my second when I got my first.

[Kikó]

I did it an open invite so just booked it on the morning so never had the chance to do the second booking part. I'm a bit further ahead than most in their mid thirties.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I booked my second at the same time as my first but my Sister (who got it via the GP) wasn't told when her second would be until a week before they booked it.

[Don]

Kiko absolutely gagging to get back to the Porto weekend trips, trampling over the fatties and oldies without a care in the world.

[Lewis]

Happy Jerusalem Day lads. The video of the Israeli geezer trying to run over some muzzies is great banter, he must have been about a minute away from being torn limb to limb.

What act are Fulham and Burnley players taking tonight to raise awareness about the Palestinian plight? :sherlock:

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Open al-Quds.

[Spikey M]

Fucking hell

[Don]

You know it's been too long when I'm appreciating the vibes to that :rave:

[7om]

I don’t know what I’m watching but I’ve watched it about 5 times. Electric.

[Shindig]

I haven't seen them bounce like that since 9/11.

[niko_cee]

I'm a bit further ahead than most in their mid thirties.

:D

If this doesn't bring Giggles out of the woodwork then we can safely say he is dead, to us at least.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I also wonder if he'd have loved or hated seeing Keeks get slapped down by a woman on Twitter.

He hates both.

[Kikó]

I'm trying my best to get him out lads, honestly. Anyone like fancy pizza?

[Kikó]

:D

If this doesn't bring Giggles out of the woodwork then we can safely say he is dead, to us at least.

But on this... they were doing a open age invite nearby which I was lucky enough to spot. Nothing about my superior intellect and general smugness.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Our team at work just had a barney because one of our number is, shall we say, a bit of a mess re covid. We were going to resume our regular lunch in town for the first time in 15 months, but he didn't want to come.


everyone has their own risk thresholds, personally i'm ok going outside for walks etc but I wont be going indoors anywhere anytime soon, or mass outdoor events. and defo no hugs

A couple of the others were trying to persuade him that due to vaccination we're now pretty safe, and besides, life has to go on, etc. At that point he started going off on one about how everyone relaxed last summer which allowed the Essex variant (sic) to spread. I wasn't going to pull him up on the factual inaccuracy of this, so I said 'Sooner or later, you're going to have to sort yourself out'. That didn't go down great, so now he's in a sulk.

This is a guy who sanitises every item on his desk before beginning work each morning.

[Ian]

Why bother engaging him on it at all? If he doesn't want to, fine, doesn't affect anybody else unless he's so completely the life and soul that it'll ruin it for everybody if he's not there.

But given his stance on this and his apparent sanitiser addiction I doubt that's the case.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Because one doesn't want to see a previously sane and pleasant human being disappear down the toilet of madness.

[Ian]

Cracking on without him and not dying of coronavirus will be a more persuasive argument than 'get over it' which I can't imagine has ever changed anybody's mind ever.

Also if this thread is anything to go by it's very possible for people to be ready to get back to normal and have disappeared down the toilet of madness so you've got a bit of a job on.

[Don]

I need me some of that Essex variant from next week onwards :drool:

[Spikey M]

We're having a similar drama at the moment. My manager has asked if we can have a team meeting FACE TO FACE next month, but our resident Team Fear member shat the bed at the mere thought of it.

She's had her first jab too.

[Ian]

I think in our office it's just going to be people digging their heels in because even before the rona they were looking for any excuse to work from home anyway, I'm not aware of anybody actually shitting it about going in but then there's no concrete talk of doing so yet.

After the weekend my parents and sister, the only vulnerable people I'm liable to interact with, will have their full Microsoft jab anyway so my only real reasons to worry about it at all will be sorted.

[Boydy]

I don't get how you could be that worried about it but not be informed enough to know that surface transmission is negligible and sanitising every item on your desk is a waste of time.

[Kikó]

https://twitter.com/RemainRevoke

What an account.

[Shindig]

Meanwhile every staff member now has free access to the streaming site for the Olympics. You optimistic set of legends.

[Magic]

Somewhere in Scotland is staying at a higher level. :harold:

[Raoul Duke]

Sex workers can "open back up" for "business" in a couple of weeks here :thbup:

[Ian]

Do you receive a text message to book your rona vaccine if you're in England? Just got a message (to the wrong name, obviously) with a link to book a vaccine. Is it just a scam or is somebody sitting waiting for their text and it's come to me?

[Spikey M]

It does come by text, but I'm sure there's some scam texts going around too.

[Ian]

Well I just messaged them through their website.

If I don't get a response then I'll just relocate to Corby for a few weeks and assume this guy's identity until I'm vaccinated.

[Spikey M]

You might like his life better than yours so don't be hasty.

Do some snooping, if his wife is better than a 7/10 then go full I'M THE REAL SEYMORE SKINNER.

[Ian]

It's about time my life jumped the shark, tbf. Liven things up a bit.

[Yevrah]

That text sounds like a scam. I got a text with a link, but it wasn't personally addressed to me (or incorrectly to someone else) and the link was obviously a legit one (but I didn't click on it and went through my laptop via Google anyway).

[Spikey M]

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The replies :happycry:

[Ian]

So I got a call on my work phone this morning that I didn't recognise and said it was from Kettering. I couldn't have told you Kettering and Corby are local to each other so just binned it as spam and thought no further of it. Then got another message asking me to book my COVID jab so I googled the number that called me and sure enough it's the same medical centre who'd messaged me. I'd messaged them via their website but they've probably not read it yet.

So they follow up with another text reassuring me (by the wrong name) that this is definitely for me. So I text them back and they respond (presumably automated) with a link to reply so I click that. It starts "Hi Matthew", which wasn't a strong opening and then it wanted me to add this fella's date of birth to proceed so that's a no go.

Fuck it, I think, I'll just call them.

"You are number...... 7..... in the call queue."

Nope.

Increasingly looks like it'll be easier to just assume this fella's identity. Do we already have a member called Matthew or will I be free to switch over?

[Yevrah]

Can you not just book the vaccine here:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/book-coronavirus-vaccination/

[Ian]

Well I'm not trying to book a vaccine, I'm trying to get this lot to stop pestering me on my work phone.

[Yevrah]

:D Fair enough.

They do sound quite special.

[Spikey M]

Just get your vaccine you Anti-Vaxx plague rat.

[Ian]

I bet people don't speak to Matthew this way. :(

[Spikey M]

Matt Power. :cool:

[Pepe]

:D

[Shindig]

Increasingly looks like it'll be easier to just assume this fella's identity. Do we already have a member called Matthew or will I be free to switch over?

Pavel. He's a Matthew. Just go in there with a grapeless arse.

[Lewis]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57102392

I bet I can rule at least one potential measure out.

[Spikey M]

It's a good job the people of Blackburn have had no reason to attend gatherings today.

[Spikey M]

We're going to Center Parcs in a week. If this Indian Variant bollocks fucks that up again there is a strong possibility that I'll go full Guy Fawkes.

[Shindig]

You're gonna jump off some scaffolding to your death? Think of the kids.

[Manc]

Didn't realise Center Parcs had branched out to Portugal.

[Spikey M]

Hoping to go abroad in October but not sure I can be arsed with the constant pissing about with where is and isn't allowed. It's mental that they have a green list at all if they're going to chimp out every time we get a new variant.

[Manc]

Anyone fancy a lads tour of Israel? Losing Don to the cause will be a right laugh.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I am still booked to play golf in Portugal in October. If I'm still having to shell out £150 a pop for a load of PCR tests by then, fuck it.

[Magic]

Does somebody watch you do the test?

[Don]

Boots do them for £100. The output is a PDF any mug could counterfeit. Imma ask my parents what the verification looks like but I strongly doubt it's anything to prevent it as it has no barcode or even reference number :D

[Magic]

Just shows how utterly draconian and fucking stupid this 'test before entry' shite is. Fuck that, and fuck your passports as well.

[Magic]

Conf @ 5PM to announce a further delay to lockdown easing? :harold:

[Spikey M]

Anyone got any explosives going spare?

[Yevrah]

If we let the SCIENCE win again I'll be joining you in the hunt for some.

[Baz]

Boots do them for £100. The output is a PDF any mug could counterfeit. Imma ask my parents what the verification looks like but I strongly doubt it's anything to prevent it as it has no barcode or even reference number :D

Can I get a copy please?

[Don]

I'd be happy to if I had the willpower to redact the personal info but that us not looking likely currently.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'm sure you can trust the spreadsheet badboy with personal info.

[Lewis]

I will piss myself if we delay everything rather than shut the bastard borders.

[Jimmy Floyd]

We won't be delaying everything, but shutting the borders is not and never will be a viable policy. Just look at the knots the Australians are tying themselves up in.

[Lewis]

True they've had a terrible time with the knots.

[Magic]

He's delayed it, absolutely nailed on now it's bad news. :harold:

[Baz]

Better not delay relaxing restrictions. I’m booked in to Hooters on 26th June.

[Lewis]

Just bomb the areas full of this vindaflu shit and crack on. Two birds, no stones.

[Spikey M]

This is the most sarcastic sign-language geezer in the world.

[Yevrah]

I did warn that proportion of cases from one variant is our new enemy, and so it comes to pass.

What a bollocks.

[Spikey M]

Focusing on 2nd doses seems retarded to me. The over 60's aren't catching it. It's the young unvaccinated and the under 60's that either dodged the vaccine or had it too recently to be fully protected.

Just fucking carry on as is.

[Yevrah]

They're back to focusing on cases again it seems.

If it's a choice between closing borders (dealing with that logistical nightmare) and carrying on normally within them or going through this bollocks every time a dominant strain pops up then the first option needs to be seriously looked at.

Personally I'd just crack on until people start dying in significant numbers again, which there's a good chance won't even happen.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It strikes me they are saying one thing (ooh scary cases!) and doing another (continuing to prioritise 2nd doses).

Clearly there is no vaccine escape in the Indian variant or it would have gone off like a rocket by now. It's going round low vaxed south Asian areas and hasn't touched whitey, but obviously you can't say that.

[Shindig]

It doesn't really change much, does it? 2nd doses were already getting prioritised and the first shots are almost at my age group. Cases haven't ballooned and this variant's been here for months.


Army deployed to North West to respond to Indian variant

:D

[Baz]

I have serious doubt over the number of Asians from Bolton and surrounding areas travelling to and from India strictly for business purposes.

Besides, why are we prioritising business over health.

#CloseTheBorders

[Shindig]

On the contrary, I believe every Indian has a right to a second shop abroad. :dc:

[Magic]

Glasgow. :harold:

[7om]

For fuck sake.

I’ve yet to see any reasoning why this variant should delay the ROADMAP. There’s literally only one reason why it should and that is if it leads to an increased rate of hospitalisations and deaths. I don’t give a shit about increased transmissibility.

[Yevrah]

Indeed. Seems we do listen to the SCIENCE wankers far more than we should.

That fear mongering epidemiologist must be fapping herself silly tonight.

[Lewis]

I clocked the BBC in-house Indian variant saying the current restrictions (as in what they are today) are far too loose. Is she just invited on for idiotic 'balance', like when they used to have to have Nigel Lawson on to say global warming isn't happening #yolo just burn your rubbish?

[7om]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9580159/SAGE-says-realistic-possibility-Indian-variant-lead-10-000-hospital-admissions-day.html

It’s over, lads. Prepare yourselves for summer lockdown.

[Magic]

Yep spot on. 10k admissions a day. :harold:

Feel sorry for all the poor cunts with actual illnesses.

[Spikey M]

Not happening. They can try but compliance is gone.

[Kikó]

Again, I think there's irresponsible calls of doom but it's from the reporting of the tabloids. The daily mail are fucking hateful.

[Yevrah]

The tabloids are indeed scum, but Warwick have been at it again.


A Warwick University modelling team cautioned that if it was 40 per cent more transmissible the next surge could be worse than the second wave, with up to 6,000 daily admissions, and a 50 per cent increase could lead to 10,000 per day.

Er, vaccine? No need to bother factoring that in. At all.

[Shindig]

If. And like you said, the vaccine's going to be a factor. Our second wave was shit because the vaccine rollout was just underway. It's almost six months later.

[Pepe]

CDC said so, so I have stopped wearing my mask. :drool:

[Baz]

I forgot to put mine on when I went a shop the other day. Only realised when I was paying, then checked and the other four customers and two staff members within sight weren’t wearing masks either. Maybe we all forgot.

The staff were [possibly] Indian too. RIP

[Spikey M]

Rip

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Better go for a test, mate.

[Reg]

To be fair the second subheading there is: "But scientists are optimistic vaccines will work against the strain and still no evidence it is more dangerous". But yeah, the article overall isn't exactly optimistic.

On a slightly different topic... Decent Guardian article from the other day: 'End of England’s hug ‘ban’ highlights confusion over law and guidance' https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/10/end-of-englands-hug-ban-highlights-confusion-over-law-and-guidance


“Throughout the past year, the government has – probably deliberately – muddled the difference between law and guidance, and social distancing has only ever been guidance,” said Adam Wagner, a barrister at Doughty Street Chambers who has studied coronavirus legislation.
...
Throughout the pandemic, the government has issued instructions as though they were enforceable rules, when in fact they were not, Wagner pointed out. When Boris Johnson announced the beginning of the first national lockdown in March by instructing the nation to remain indoors, the order had no legal power for three days.

“And that set the mode for the rest of the year,” Wagner said. “The most common example that people think about is exercise once per day, which has never been part of the law. It’s always been the law that you can exercise whenever you want.”
I've been thinking of myself as pretty diligent in reading the updated laws/guidelines, but had no idea the exercise thing was never law.

Even asides from any issues of law, the communication from the government since last March has been a shambles really.

[Lewis]

It sounds like the opposite of a shambles if it could keep people inside without the actual legal power to compel them to.

[Reg]

Has worked the other way around too though, right? E.g. having multiple bubbles.

[Spikey M]

Coming out at the start and saying "we can't force you to stay at home, but please do" would have been a disaster. That's a mental article.

[Lewis]

I think the rules/guidance have all been pretty clear, and obviously social distancing was only ever guidance. How could you legally enforce it? Everything else is just deliberate idiocy ('What does "alert" mean?'/all the wank about 'substantial meals'), local police making shit up about exercise and sitting on benches, and people thinking they can get away with bending them by being in multiple bubbles etc.

[Spikey M]

I think you're grossly over estimating Johnny Publics understanding of legislative powers. If Boris Johnson says stay at home, that's it, that's the law.

[Lewis]

I meant in the general sense that people knew what they were meant to be doing. I don't think anyone could seriously claim ignorance about visiting people (for example) when the rules/guidance said otherwise.

[Baz]

The deciding factor for people doing as they’re told and staying at home is whether pubs are open - beer gardens or inside seating doesn’t matter; if they’re open, we’re out.

[Spikey M]

CDC said so, so I have stopped wearing my mask. :drool:

1393958790458904580?s=19

Blood on your hands.

[Lewis]

Credentials in username. Pepe WIN.

[Shindig]

Every picture on her profile has an 'I told you so' look, as well.

[Spikey M]

Won't somebody please think of the 15 year olds.

[Baz]

I try not to.

[7om]

This is an amazing article: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/16/how-worried-should-we-be-about-the-indian-variant-of-covid-19


Just how worried should we be about this variant?
At present we do not know just how infectious it is...

If hospitalisations rise in coming weeks, will that inevitably lead to an increase in numbers of deaths?
We don’t know yet but that is something we are working on...

How long will it take to find out how worrying the prospects are for delaying the easing of lockdown?
We just don’t know yet just how much of a danger this is going to be...

Thanks for clearing that up.

[Don]

Not sure if I should risk the sauna tomorrow after my football as some experts have said we should ignore the lockdown easing measures. Anyone got any views on this predicament?

[Spikey M]

This is an amazing article: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/16/how-worried-should-we-be-about-the-indian-variant-of-covid-19



Thanks for clearing that up.

This is basically what happened there:

https://i.ibb.co/dG4r6zb/59s5pr.jpg

[Don]

Couple of articles on Guard about the test certificate forgeries going on. Apparently they're spotting them because of spelling errors and errors with regard to passport numbers :face: I could have made a killing if I had a laptop.

[Yevrah]

Not sure if I should risk the sauna tomorrow after my football as some experts have said we should ignore the lockdown easing measures. Anyone got any views on this predicament?

Luckily for you and others in a similar predicament, the BBC have a handy guide, brought to us by experts no less.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57069293

[Spikey M]

:D we are well and truly airborne over several sharks

[Don]

That Professor Lind Bauld is a right naughty bit of gash. She better get on OnlyFans once the media Zoom gigs dry up :drool:

[Yevrah]

:D we are well and truly airborne over several sharks

Here's another one.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57136140


"Together we have reached another milestone in our roadmap out of lockdown, but we must take this next step with a heavy dose of caution," said the prime minister.

He added that "everyone must play their part - by getting tested twice a week, coming forward for your vaccine when called and remembering hands, face, space and fresh air".

Airborne Ebola would have ended society.

[Don]

7 free tests a day? Tempting and I won't ever even use one :drool:

[Kikó]

I can't imagine the scenario where I'm going to be tempted to self test for no reason.

[Spikey M]

Playing Devils Advocate for a minute, I guess the tests are helpful insofar as monitoring the case : death ratio.

[Kikó]

Radio 4 was also saying it helps to understand which variant(s) are most prevalent.

[Spikey M]

For both cases it relies on people following up a home test with a proper one anyway and I can't imagine too many people would. Especially if they're asymptomatic.

Plus, don't the majority of people do the tests wrong anyway?

Anyway, as you said, I can't imagine many people taking a test without symptoms regardless. If anything, the vaccine will see alot of people not bothering even if they do have symptoms.

[Spikey M]

Dr Hillary is currently running hugging drills on ITV :D

[Jimmy Floyd]

The last 48 hours have been the most revealing yet in terms of the extent of psychological damage that this has inflicted on some.

[Yevrah]

Indeed. I understand why the government would push the idea of uncertainty around variants to get the religiously influenced minorities to have the vaccine, but there's a much bigger overlap on the shitting yourself Venn diagram than there should be.

The SCIENCE frauds seem to be revelling in this as well and enjoying a platform they simply shouldn't have as there's absolutely no balance to any of it.

[Yevrah]

Oh and you can chalk another death down to care environments, my Gran passed last night.

Having left hospital clear of the COVID she caught in a care home, she spent the last five weeks at home pretty poorly with a continual build up of fluid on her lungs before going back in again, by which time there wasn't anything they could do. Such a sad end to the life of an amazing 92 year old. If they've been vaccinated (mine never was) don't listen to these arse holes and hug your grandparents. They'll appreciate it so much more than the miniscule risk to their post vaccinated lives.

[Spikey M]

Shit. Sorry to hear it Yev.

[Yevrah]

Cheers Spikey.

[Kikó]

Sorry about your gran Yev.

[Yevrah]

Cheers Kiks and all.

Strange feeling as that's that immediate line of the family all gone now.

[Reg]

Sorry to hear, Yev.

[-james-]

Sorry to hear. Why wasn't she vaccinated?

[Yevrah]

She slipped over in her garden in December and had to go into hospital for that, was recuperating in a care home afterwards in January but then caught COVID there and was never well enough to get the vaccine from there on in.

[7om]

Shit, sorry to hear that Yev. My nan went into hospital after a fall recently. Once they go in at that age it seems very hard to get them out alive.

[Magic]

Sorry to hear Yev. My gran was in hospital/respite for 4 months after a fall in December 2019. She got out on March 14th 2020...I've no doubt that she would have died in there had she not got out.

[Waffdon]

Sorry to hear Yev.

Anyone else noticed the iPhone weather app just has it down as constantly raining 24/7 for the past 3 or 4 weeks? No matter where I look in the UK it seems to be the same. It’s been warm the last few days and hardly rained the past week. Some sort of covid conspiracy to keep us inside

[Magic]

But isn't being outside better...

[Jimmy Floyd]

The weather has been a joke for weeks. At the game I did on Saturday we had 4 separate rain delays, but it never got wet enough to call it off. Make your mind up ffs.

[Spikey M]

Sorry to hear Yev.

Anyone else noticed the iPhone weather app just has it down as constantly raining 24/7 for the past 3 or 4 weeks? No matter where I look in the UK it seems to be the same. It’s been warm the last few days and hardly rained the past week. Some sort of covid conspiracy to keep us inside

We're nearly out of this. Don't lose it now lad.

[Waffdon]

Haha, I’m having a pint inside a pub on my lunch break. Life is back to normal :cool:

First time since September we can drink inside i think

[Magic]

Yes you're right mate, bar a couple of days in October I think? Wasn't there a weekend where Angus was allowed then got pumped again? I know because I walked the 5 minutes to over the council line and ripped the arse out of it at the Milton.

[Pepe]

Sorry to hear that, Yev.

Hug your relatives even if they are not vaccinated, people.

[Waffdon]

Yes you're right mate, bar a couple of days in October I think? Wasn't there a weekend where Angus was allowed then got pumped again? I know because I walked the 5 minutes to over the council line and ripped the arse out of it at the Milton.

Not sure. Been a Perthshire wanker since August. They kept allowing us to drink outside every 3 weeks from October to Christmas but don’t think we were allowed inside

[Boydy]

It's all the extra 5G from the vaccine microchips fucking up the weather forecasts.

[Boydy]

Sorry to hear about your gran, Yev.

[Yevrah]

Thanks gents. Very sweet of you all. She had a very good innings, just a shit way for her to go and a fuckety-fuck set of circumstances that led to it happening. When I heard last week that she was having to go back into hospital I knew that was it.

Pep is probably right.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He is but jeez, if I tried to hug my dad he'd phone social services.

[Magic]

Is that because of Covid-19 or Section-28?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Because he's English and so am I. We talk about sport and sometimes the news. The rest is implicit.

[Magic]

The only time I touch my dad at all is the compulsory birthday and Christmas handshake. Other than that I can barely make eye contact with him.

[Spikey M]

I only hug my wife and children.

There's probably some old family friends I'd be awkwardly forced into a hug with upon bumping into them, but that's about it.

People not touching me has been one of the few wins of Covid.

[Kikó]

I don't hug my wife because of the loveless marriage thing.

[Magic]

I don't hug my wife because of the loveless marriage thing.

I doubt you're as honest as that. Smiling before the hug then only showing your true colours when you fully embrace, out of sight.

[Kikó]

Love you darling
https://i.redd.it/1hdyplnmeyq31.jpg

[Lewis]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57150131


Mr Hancock said the Indian variant was now the dominant strain of the virus in Bolton as well as Blackburn and Darwen and was rising in all age groups. He said most people in hospital in those areas had been eligible for a vaccine but had chosen not to have it - and urged anyone not sure whether to get jabbed to "look at what's happening in Bolton".

:lol:

[Shindig]

He is but jeez, if I tried to hug my dad he'd phone social services.

Yeah, it just doesn't happen in our family. Hugs for the women, handshakes for the blokes.

[Don]

Jesus christ did the sauna deliver :drool: had a real moment of euphoria at one point. Unfortunately it was slightly tarnished by the fact I've done some serious damage to my thumb at football beforehand so couldn't fully immerse myself and focus on the sauna experience as I would have liked to. I'm still thinking it may kickstart my recovery of my taste and smell senses too, will keep you updated.