Coronavirus Death Thread

[randomlegend]

Basically they need nannies otherwise the economy is gonna collapse is all I got outta this

Well it's basic services also. I have colleagues at work who wouldn't be able come in without the schools looking after their kids.

[Andy]

Is this just herd immunity on the sly?

[niko_cee]

Give or take, about 90% of workers are essential in some way or other.

That's how society works.

We've shut the schools because testing has gone to shit (we'll get you the results back in about a week, lol, thanks UK lab), Jersey has community transmission and we're bound to follow suit. Bring forth the cull. There is some hope that the schools will reopen after Easter if there is no 'community seeding'. It's going to be a long month.

[Boydy]

:D shit, northeast of the island I mean. Cabin fever has the directions fucked up.

To be fair, they do:

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[randomlegend]

I don't want her anywhere near a hospital while we are at the peak of this.

The parents of some of the kids we're seeing really need to get their head around this. They are bringing in kids with a sniffle, who they definitely would normally have kept at home, "in case it's corona". I do understand people losing their sense of logic when it comes to panicking about their kids, but there are like 20 reasons this is a bad thing to do.

[Lee]

Herd immunity is an inevitable outcome rather than an aim. Most of us are going to get it anyway over the next couple of years so it will come anyway. And once it does it won't spread so well. Shielding the old and vulnerable from it and letting the rest of us get on to some extent isn't the worst idea. The problem is this first wave where there's no immunity at all so high proportions end up needing hospital care at once which will overwhelm the system. Each wave should have a lower and less severe peak after this one.

[Shindig]

And it takes forever.

[Jimmy Floyd]

There will come a point when we will need to just start again and carry on. The world can't take two years of shutdown to keep a slice of the old and infirm alive a little longer. It will end up affecting the rest far worse than it affects people who die/are seriously ill from the virus.

It can take a few months of shutdown to restrict the horror of the initial peak, but that's it.

[Boydy]

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:D/:face:

Actually saw that on the news last night. People are fucking stupid.

[Lee]

And it takes forever.

Couple of years, they reckon. Which, as Jim says, isn't a tolerable period of shut down.

They're obviously aiming to push on until early summer before they start gradually opening stuff up again. Hopefully by then we're able to test for who has it and who has had it, which means we'll never have to shut down in quite the same way again.

[Alex]

I've been off work on regular, annual leave this week but they just rung me and told me that I don't have to come back next week if I don't want to because, as a diabetic, I fall into the same "at-risk" group as the pregnant ladies and whatnot, who have all been sent home.

It's a bit of a weird one because my diabetes is a strange, genetic case (it's a very rare kind of it, basically a genetic anomaly in the family that always made me likely to contract it as a young adult) and, other than taking a couple of tablets twice a day, I'm very fit and healthy and wouldn't consider myself at-risk in the slightest. I can't do my job from home either, so I'm essentially being offered an indefinite, paid holiday that I know most of my colleagues (many of whom are obviously my friends) aren't eligible for.

Because they apparently aren't enforcing this either, it's pretty much my own call to make, which makes things a bit awkward. As much as I know I should avoid other people as much as possible and jump at the chance I also know that I would feel guilty about not turning up when I feel fine, purely because I know a lot people will be doing just that. Which is stupid, I know. But true.

I believe quite a few people are self-isolating this week anyway. So I'm hoping, combined with the people who will presumably be pulling out over the next couple of days to look after their kids now the schools are shutting, that they will just make the decision to close the office down for a bit and save me a bit of an awkward decision to make.


Take it and don't feel guilty. Whether or not you're usually well, the fact you have any type of diabetes means you will be more vulnerable to a greater or lesser extent. It's just not worth the risk.

Well, that escalated quickly.

They called this morning and told me they've decided I can't come back to work for twelve weeks. :|

That's paid too, but with the expectation I use two weeks annual leave. I have pretty much two weeks annual leave already booked during that period anyway, to be honest. At least it took it out of my hands, I suppose. I'm going to be climbing the fucking walls though.

[niko_cee]

Amazon are looking for delivery drivers.

[Alex]

Amazon are looking for delivery drivers.

:D

I believe the Coop round the corner are taking on too. Could be coining it here.

[Magic]

:drool:

[Shindig]

Well, that escalated quickly.

They called this morning and told me they've decided I can't come back to work for twelve weeks. :|

That's paid too, but with the expectation I use two weeks annual leave. I have pretty much two weeks annual leave already booked during that period anyway, to be honest. At least it took it out of my hands, I suppose. I'm going to be climbing the fucking walls though.

Welcome to my life. I'm already bored by the end of week one. I've got leave booked in June as well and I don't want them asking me to cancel that. By the time I come back, the leave sheet will be packed with other returnees. I'll be outside the window to sell any remaining leave so I'll have to see if I can carry a week across for next year.

[Ian]

:D

I believe the Coop round the corner are taking on too. Could be coining it here.

To be honest if I was off work but confined mostly to the house for that long I think I'd genuinely consider running deliveries. Stir crazy wouldn't begin to cover it.

I think I read somewhere Co-Op have created a few thousand jobs to get people doing this which is pretty good.

Them and Home Bargains donning it so far.

[Shindig]

I've taken to streaming more and there's some online courses at work I can take. I've made a decision not to shop again until I'm absolutely out of stuff. Could be a disaster but I've got plenty in now.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The supermarket supply chains really should recover pretty soon as this level of demand cannot continue for long. That's another reason why the government need to have it in people's minds that there will be an end date.

[randomlegend]

To be honest if I was off work but confined mostly to the house for that long I think I'd genuinely consider running deliveries. Stir crazy wouldn't begin to cover it.

I think I read somewhere Co-Op have created a few thousand jobs to get people doing this which is pretty good.

Them and Home Bargains donning it so far.

Yeah I'm actually kind of glad my job means I'm staying at work. I'd go nuts at home for that long.

[igor_balis]

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Special Dom.

Badly drawn boy isnt looking well

[Disco]

It will need to be enforced. I'm meant to be seeing my parents tonight (at their home, 2 miles from mine). They are healthy and mid 60s so not a huge at risk category. They think me coming is no big deal but I think it is. I don't know. It's terrifying, not helped by the business-as-usual attitude at work.

I'm in a similar situation, parents in their 70s but otherwise healthy and they are taking the right sort of precautions so I'm not overly concerned for them.

The general situation needs more stringent measures and I'm really hoping they're just waiting to time it properly. The government needs to guarantee wages, or a least a decent proportion, and force places to shut for a month or two.

[Mike]

We haven't closed the schools:
We were expecting well over half of our kids in,
might be about 70%.

[SincereTheRebel]

PM Sincere for Ireland facts if you need to brush up.

He clearly, does not have a clue.

[-james-]

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[CJay]

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Not having to listen to Michael Owen is a definitely one of the positive effects this shutdown has had on society.

[Yevrah]

I'm going to assume that post from Mickey is an attempt at satire.

[mugbull]

The Czechs leading the race currently for most cases without a death. Best healthcare system in the world :cool:

[Yevrah]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-they-call-it-the-apocalypse-inside-italys-hardest-hit-hospital-11960597

:sick:

People need to see that. Everyone needs to see it.

Some of those poor bastards don't look that old either.

[Giggles]

PM Sincere for Ireland facts if you need to brush up.

Mans needs facts.

[Lee]

Restriction to continue ‘most of a year’

Policies to limit the spread of coronavirus would need to be in place for "at least most of a year" to prevent intensive care units being overwhelmed, according to official scientific advice to the government.

The documents, prepared by the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage), said alternating between more and less strict measures could "plausibly be effective at keeping the number of critical care cases within capacity".

I've just pinched this off the BBC Live Feed. I'm assuming this is what Boris was trying to get at with his '12 weeks' shite yesterday. Behave yourselves and we will see our first loosening of some restrictions in the summer. I think the principle is right. People need hope and a date to aim for that doesn't sound like we're never leaving the house again is an important part of that. But that isn't what he said, the clumsy fuck.

I'm taking the bit about it being plausible to stay within ICU capacity as a positive. That would mean far fewer deaths even in the most vulnerable group. Probably especially in that group. That needs to be used as the message. "You're going to kill your grandparents you twats and if you don't sort yourselves out we'll force you anyway" would be quite a strong message.

[Spikey M]

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:D/:face:

Actually saw that on the news last night. People are fucking stupid.

I saw that. Actually belly laughed. The angry Indian woman was good value as well.

[Lewis]

I dropped into Tesco earlier, and the only bread they had left was burger buns. Nothing else. Just seeded burger buns. If you're that desperate for bread, why would you turn your nose up at burger buns which are a much better substitute for 'normal bread' than some of the shit that was all gone?

[Jimmy Floyd]

This is going to be an extended period of fucking misery and I'm not sure the population is actually going to stand for it even for many weeks. There are no bombs falling to scare people, just reports of death, and not even in the war did they stop the basic tenets of human coexistence.

[Lee]

Got to get it in perspective, really. I mean it's shit, but a bomb isn't going to fall on my house.

In terms of normal life, what do I actually do? Go to work every day and go back home. See my mum and dad probably once a week. Watch football. Have some holidays. Work will be mostly from home for a while now. Not seeing mum and dad in person is probably the hardest bit but we're managing to substitute that with phone/video calls. Football is a hobby which can be replaced for a while by reading more, going for walks or whatever. Maybe I'll have to get into computer games. Holidays will just have to be done differently and largely in the UK unless some foreign travel can be allowed during any of the more 'open' periods.

These obviously aren't choices I'd have made without this happening but life can still be good. It's probably going to be a good lesson in not taking stuff and people for granted.

[Boydy]

It's sitting inside, it's not that hard to do.

[Lee]

It's sitting inside, it's not that hard to do.

It's not even as bad as that. We can go out and see things/places. We just shouldn't be getting too close to other people for a while. The shitty thing is that it includes people we like and care about. But then that's the reason to stay away.

[Yevrah]

Indeed. It really isn't.

It's going to get much worse when relatives, co-workers etc. are affected, but nowhere near as bad as it could be for others if your only job is "stay inside".

That said, and like I said yesterday. It's grim as fuck and the ramifications will last for years. Whichever way you look at it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

'Going for walks' won't be happening. Maybe it's just because I feel like we're in a weird phoney war period at the moment in which nobody seems to be taking it remotely seriously (and in which I am still going to the office each day and seeing them not take it seriously), but I'm so scared of being locked down for a year.

I have the longest attention span in the world too. Boredom won't be the main issue. There will be psychological effects on everyone that have probably never even been wargamed.

[Lewis]

That's as of today, when we're still not doing half the stuff you mongols have been calling for all week. Let us know how easy it is when you're literally not allowed out.

[Yevrah]

That's as of today, when we're still not doing half the stuff you mongols have been calling for all week. Let us know how easy it is when you're literally not allowed out.

Ok, it'll be difficult, particularly the longer it goes on, but compared to what other people will be dealing with it'll be a walk in the park, albeit a walk with some minor psychological consequences.

[Lee]

'Going for walks' won't be happening. Maybe it's just because I feel like we're in a weird phoney war period at the moment in which nobody seems to be taking it remotely seriously (and in which I am still going to the office each day and seeing them not take it seriously), but I'm so scared of being locked down for a year.

I have the longest attention span in the world too. Boredom won't be the main issue. There will be psychological effects on everyone that have probably never even been wargamed.

It isn't going to be full lockdown for a year, though. Restrictions will be lifted at different times in different places. Places where people live in large numbers and on top of one another are going to be most fucked. My experience is that people are taking it pretty seriously. How long that will last I don't know. But all my friends and relatives are mostly staying in, and all have cancelled anything involving numbers of people. Work has been the most retarded place of all and that will be a problem for a lot of people who will be forced into spending time with others when it isn't necessary.

[Jimmy Floyd]

What I've found out so far during this (particularly in the office context) is who is an upstanding human being and who is a fucking cowardly pipsqueak. These things aren't always obvious in normal times but they are now.

[Lewis]

It struck me earlier that when you actually compare what the government is going to potentially end up spending against the lives lost under various worst case scenarios, each of those lives is effectively costing millions of pounds. What is the threshold that Our NHS usually tells people to go off and die when they want an expensive, low-volume treatment out of it?

[Shindig]

Well, Isolation Shindig is only going to last another week. I've taken the opportunity to come back to work as part of a skeleton crew. They can only spring for five days emergency leave so fuck it.

[SvN]

Wife's parents are literally just carrying on as normal, going out for coffee, food, etc every day. And just lying to my wife about it when she asks.

They're both in their late 60s, and her mum has dementia and diabetes. I reckon her dad's actively trying to get her infected.

[Don]

The guys in the whatsapp group are becoming dull af so I've had to make a comeback. All Kiko can talk about is his office and GS keeps chatting shit about Lewis. I can't take it any more.

[Pleb]

Probably need to get out more :sherlock:

[Adramelch]

I went out for the first time since the full lockdown (France) and I have to say it felt super weird to have to carry a form with my data and the reason why I am out.

That said, there were people out and about although it felt more like a Sunday than a weekday.

[Magic]

Still busy in my local suburb. Though residentially it's EXTREMELY quiet, which is weird. I for one welcome our new pigeon overlords.

[Shindig]

Still couldn't get into town to judge it (the stab tent is still up) but the rail station platform was quiet. The buses I saw coming from Bishop Aukland were empty.

[Lee]

Starting to see reports (from proper outlets) that pubs, restaurants and gyms in London will be told to close later. Maybe that was always the plan but they needed to sort the level of financial support for employees out first - which I think is also meant to be coming today.

EDIT:

And this:

https://twitter.com/LawrenceDunhill/status/1241015122858070018?s=20

[Yevrah]

If hospitals are running out already? Good job we're doing all we can to flatten the peak. Oh.

[Lewis]

The nearby, how can I put it, minority-owned convenience store has loads of bread on the shelves, and a big box of eggs under the counter. I asked if they had any eggs, they sort of burbled to each other, and then one of them brings half a dozen up out of nowhere. Top lads. I bought an extra loaf and chucked it all to the swans on the way home as well because fuck the stockpilers. I might make that part of my new routine actually.

[Lee]

If hospitals are running out already? Good job we're doing all we can to flatten the peak. Oh.

It depends where London is against the peak. They've been talking about us being x week behind Italy but London by y weeks ahead of the rest of the country. So perhaps London is supposed to be on the verge of going full Italy.

The other thing is that's a quote from one London hospital director. I've no reason to doubt it as the HSJ is almost always well informed. But Critical Care beds operate in regional networks. When I'm on call and my place runs out of ICU beds - which is rare-ish but always close enough to happening that you have to plan for it - then I sit down with whichever consultant is in charge and work out who we can most safely shift elsewhere in the network if it comes to it. The context is important. The director they've spoken to might think it's 'terrifying' because their ICU has filled up before the peak and they're already having to make decisions about transfer rather than London being completely fucked already. Both are shit, but one is less shit than the other.

[Yevrah]

For me, there's the visualisation of what's going to happen and the numbers.

All the posts I've made that are predicting doom are based solely around the numbers, but I still can't visualise day after day of news reports in this country opening with another x hundred have died, let alone thousands.

So even I look at Italy and sometimes think "that won't happen here", and then I look at the numbers and look at what we're (not) doing again and it's inescapable that we won't be as bad, if not worse.

And maybe that's the problem and why people aren't taking it seriously. They simply don't believe it will happen here, because they haven't seen it happen here and they can't visualise it.

[Lee]

It's unlikely that we won't get into the hundreds per day. Whether that's Italy level stuff is a different question and there a good demographic and social reasons why it shouldn't get quite so bad here as it has there. Then again, they have double the number of ICU beds as we do so who knows? But we'll see.

I'm not sure even posting those kinds of numbers per day will work, though. I wonder how long it takes for that to normalise. I mean yesterday another 30 odd died and I just thought 'thank fuck it isn't worse than that'. Yet if you told me some fucker had just wandered into a shopping centre and killed 30 in a one off event my reaction would have been quite different.

[Bernanke]

From the CDC:

https://i.imgur.com/jslZ02y.png

That's pretty rough as far as younger age groups go.

[Lewis]

https://twitter.com/CoronaLeaksUK

Let's see who can get the stupidest shit up.

[Yevrah]

On the societal reasons for Italy getting so bad, I get there are those, but isn't Northern Italy a very gentrified place vs. London with 7+ million people living and working on top of each other.

The scientists must have factored that into the equation, surely.

[Shindig]

The North has the better hospitals as well.

[Don]

The real prepratory step would be to start publishing the non-Covid daily deaths alongside it for some perspective. Google says it's approximately 1,500. If the covid numbers are just largely reducing the 1,500 figure we can stop being such melts and let the fucking weak go.

[Pepe]

Well, well, well.

[Lee]

On the societal reasons for Italy getting so bad, I get there are those, but isn't Northern Italy a very gentrified place vs. London with 7+ million people living and working on top of each other.

The scientists must have factored that into the equation, surely.

There are also loads of grannies and grandads living with the rest of the family in Italy which you don't get so much here. Not that London isn't fucked. The population density is going to do for it. I'm hoping me in my shit market town and the parents in their village might be okay as a result.

[Pepe]

First little slug to come crawling back once they start working from home.

There you have it.

[Shindig]

Bernanke Yeah, the US figures look grim. It's a nation of unhealthy people, regardless of age.

[Lee]

The real prepratory step would be to start publishing the non-Covid daily deaths alongside it for some perspective. Google says it's approximately 1,500. If the covid numbers are just largely reducing the 1,500 figure we can stop being such melts and let the fucking weak go.

That's actually not a bad point. It would be good to know just how far above the number of expected deaths on a given day this takes us. Also, the proportion of patients in hospital/ICU/dead are a bit useless without knowing how many people are wandering about asymptomatic or thinking they've got a bit of a cold/virus.

Hence 'test, test, test. Which - fuck the vaccine - is what is going to allow us to start getting back to normal again.

[Shindig]

The good news about testing is we're doing more of it. 8,000+ yesterday. 64,000 in total.

[Boydy]

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:D

Why are people so stupid.

[Yevrah]

Realistically, are we ever going to be able to do enough tests?

I see Spain lost 210 today, which seems to have passed without much notice given Italy's situation.

[bruhnaldo]

I bought an extra loaf and chucked it all to the swans on the way home as well because fuck the stockpilers. I might make that part of my new routine actually.

Give it to a homeless, instead.

[Yevrah]

The good news about testing is we're doing more of it. 8,000+ yesterday. 64,000 in total.

That's 0.1% of the population.

What level does it take for testing to work?

[Lee]

Realistically, are we ever going to be able to do enough tests?

I see Spain lost 210 today, which seems to have passed without much notice given Italy's situation.

We will, but it will be months away. If we're a couple of months a way from 250k per day, and we're not too far off this antibody test, then it oughtn't be too long before we have a decent sample size. But it won't be before the bodies really start piling up either. The mortality rate is going to look fucking horrific for a while, but it won't be a true figure.

[Boydy]

The worrying thing about London is that so many younger people live there who have moved from other parts of the country and loads of them are going to flock back to their parents' houses and quite possibly take it all over the country with them.

[Lee]

Yeah. A lot of the cases elsewhere in Italy were seeded by the fuckers who legged it out of Lombardy when they pre-announced lockdown.

Fuck me. It feels like ages ago that this was just a shitstorm in a region of Italy after the Chinese had welded it in. This time last week I was still going to the pub tomorrow to watch Watford v Leicester.

[Don]

The Italy numbers are due a ramping up with the South getting in on the action now too, right?

[Lee]

You'd think so, but they locked down earlier in their curve than Lombardy so hopefully the numbers won't be quite so horrific.

[Lewis]

Give it to a homeless, instead.

:happycry:

[Kikó]

The guys in the whatsapp group are becoming dull af so I've had to make a comeback. All Kiko can talk about is his office and GS keeps chatting shit about Lewis. I can't take it any more.

Fake news.

[Byron]

This time last week I was sinking my 5th pint, while watching Cheltenham on the TV. Absolute madness really.

[bruhnaldo]

:happycry:

Strange behavior.

[randomlegend]

One of the things I find worrying which I haven't heard much about is the fact there'll be a load of people who self-isolate, thinking they've got it, when they've actually got one of the other billions of virus' about which have unfortunately not ceased to exist because of covid-19. Come the end of their 7 days they'll start bowling about thinking they're invincible.

[Lee]

One of the things I find worrying which I haven't heard much about is the fact there'll be a load of people who self-isolate, thinking they've got it, when they've actually got one of the other billions of virus' about which have unfortunately not ceased to exist because of covid-19. Come the end of their 7 days they'll start bowling about thinking they're invincible.

I can assure you that I'll leave self-isolation assuming I haven't had it and that I'm about to pick it up and kill my family.

[Yevrah]

RL's right.

There'll be tales of how "it's not that bad" simultaneously coupled with "I'm so hard I beat it".

[randomlegend]

I can assure you that I'll leave self-isolation assuming I haven't had it and that I'm about to pick it up and kill my family.

You won't, but as this event is once again reminding us, a lot of people are fucking stupid.

[Shindig]

It's shite. There's a video on the BBC site where a woman turned up at her GP with tightness in her chest and a regular cough. She was referred to hospital, told to isolate but not tested for Covid.

[randomlegend]

It's shite. There's a video on the BBC site where a woman turned up at her GP with tightness in her chest and a regular cough. She was referred to hospital, told to isolate but not tested for Covid.

In paeds we aren't testing anyone unless they're admitted to hospital. I presume it's the same for the rest of the hospital (and the rest of the country).

[Lewis]

There you have it.

We're going to hoarding salt at this rate.

[niko_cee]

Seething that my early work on xD for team sceptic was largely ignored and yet when Taz rolls in with it it's suddenly 'not a bad point'.

[Bernanke]

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It's always surprising when he actually manages to still catch you off guard you with his behaviour, but how do you mess up a soft-ball question like that with any other answer than "we are here to help you get through this"?

[Ian]

You manage it by being an insane old cunt.

[Yevrah]

Here we go.

This had better be something tangible.

[Yevrah]

So he did announce it after 5 on a Friday.

What a complete shambles.

[Yevrah]

"Please don't go out tonight" "Please"

Tonight is going to be the mother of all piss ups in the capital.

I guess at least it's done.

[Yevrah]

80% of everyone's salary (who can't work), up to £2,500 a month covered by a grant.

[Waffdon]

Can I go and get pissed tonight

[Lee]

Meanwhile Italian deaths up by 627.

[Lewis]

We're going bust. The entire Western world will be like Japan for the next twenty years.

[Shindig]

Boris is too British for his own good. He's never had to tell anybody off in his life. Tony Blair would've told us the virus could kill us all in 45 minutes.

[Don]

Jesus fucking christ, this is superb. Got such a boner from the anarchy.

627 posted up by Italy :drool:

[Smjffy]

So now we have to close does that mean I'm included in government paying my wage?

[Magic]

Meanwhile Italian deaths up by 627.

627 in 24 hours?

[Magic]

I've just told my old boss to go and fuck himself on Teams.

He then asked me for a pint. :D

I politely declined his offer.

[Lee]

627 in 24 hours?

Yes.

[Yevrah]

627 in 24 hours?

Yep.

It's just like flu.

[Magic]

:drool:

[Boydy]

We're going bust. The entire Western world will be like Japan for the next twenty years.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/781/373/b1e.png

[Yevrah]

So now we have to close does that mean I'm included in government paying my wage?

Your company will still pay it to you, but they can then claim up to 80% of it back from the government (up to a maximum of £2,500 p/m per person) by way of a grant.

They can also still make you redundant if they choose. EDIT: Subject to usual employment law, but in all honesty, who in the fuck is going to be checking those at the moment.

[Yevrah]

We're going bust. The entire Western world will be like Japan for the next twenty years.

I really wasn't being alarmist yesterday, this is real talk.

[Yevrah]

Still think the cold war was bigger Lewis?

[Yevrah]

And to add to that, if China and other Asian countries have genuinely suppressed this and can manage that while keeping their economy going semi-properly, the world order is going to change. Which could get very nasty.

[Luca]

The North has the better hospitals as well.

If this spreads to some of the larger cities in the South, people will be properly fucked. The hospitals are third world in terms of infrastructure and funding, and so absolutely unprepared for normal patient levels, never mind this.

[Waffdon]

Fancy a pint Magic

[randomlegend]

https://gi.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/ACG-AJG-Media-Statement-COVID19-Hubei-Pan-et-al-FINAL-03182020.pdf

IDK how much to make of this one report, but seems there's some evidence coming out D + V are the presenting symptoms in some people.

[Shindig]

And to add to that, if China and other Asian countries have genuinely suppressed this and can manage that while keeping their economy going semi-properly, the world order is going to change. Which could get very nasty.

I welcome our Chinese overlords.

[Smjffy]

Your company will still pay it to you, but they can then claim up to 80% of it back from the government (up to a maximum of £2,500 p/m per person) by way of a grant.

They can also still make you redundant if they choose. EDIT: Subject to usual employment law, but in all honesty, who in the fuck is going to be checking those at the moment.



I have a decent employer it seems.

[Lewis]

Still think the cold war was bigger Lewis?

Yeah, because we're just going to sludge along in the aftermath. We're not all going to be eating shit.

[Yevrah]

Yeah, because we're just going to sludge along in the aftermath. We're not all going to be eating shit.

Yes, but the cold war stayed cold. Nobody actually ate shit.

As I'm sure is finally dawning on you, this is going to change the world as we know it.

[randomlegend]

https://i.imgur.com/QL0aZ6Y.png

Brother just sent me this photo from Norwich...for fuck's sake people...

[Yevrah]

Russia have been strangely quiet over this too. Or at least not in the news.

Good job they have no interest in spoiling for a fight with the rest of Europe.

[Lewis]

Shit pub that as well.

[Lewis]

Yes, but the cold war stayed cold. Nobody actually ate shit.

As I'm sure is finally dawning on you, this is going to change the world as we know it.

They did in all the places it turned and stayed hot. The Korean War killed three million people for literally nothing. The Chinese will be pissing themselves though. If they didn't do this deliberately they should have done.

[phonics]

It's wild how quickly that Magic Money Tree appears when a Conservative is in charge.

Didn't hear one question about 'How you going to pay for it?' screamed from the rafters.

[phonics]

By the way, I would just like to mention that what the UK just implemented is literally the status quo in Switzerland but up to 100k not 30k.

[Yevrah]

If they didn't do this deliberately they should have done.

Completely agree. It's simply not a virus the west is geared up to deal with at all. While China absolutely are.

How long would a "we're shutting stuff, stay indoors" press conference have lasted over there, how much clearer would it have been and how much more would it have been followed?

[phonics]

Russia have been strangely quiet over this too. Or at least not in the news.

Because they're not testing anyone or reporting their numbers. They do the same with HIV. It's like how China claims there's not a single homosexual out of their 1.5 billion people.

[niko_cee]

Yep.

It's just like flu.

We do have a vaccine for flu though, to an extent, and give it to all the comorbidity fuckwits so they don't die annually, mind.

[Shindig]

Durham's all coffee shops and pubs. It's going to be a ghost town apart from the vape shops.

[niko_cee]

Seasonal flu has also killed ten times as many people as Covid-19 this year, and I bet Covid is stealing many of it's usual victims now as well.

[Pepe]

Campus closed starting today. No more research for me for the time being.

[Yevrah]

Seasonal flu has also killed ten times as many people as Covid-19 this year, and I bet Covid is stealing many of it's usual victims now as well.

I genuinely cannot believe that you're still banging this drum. Each to their own.

[Boydy]

Shut the fuck up, Niko.

[Pepe]

How many have died in car accidents?

[Giggles]

Gold love you all with that thick bastard. Though you haven’t the society for it anyway.

[Giggles]

Campus closed starting today. No more research for me for the time being.

Maybe you’ll get a useful job.

[thommo]

Whilst I do appreciate this whole situation is worthy of concern and life is going to change for the foreseeable future, I can’t help but think this thread has just turned into the panic echo chamber.

[bruhnaldo]

I'm almost positive the chick I work 5 feet from in an enclosed office every day has this shit.

She's also convinced but alas.

[Bernanke]

Whilst I do appreciate this whole situation is worthy of concern and life is going to change for the foreseeable future, I can’t help but think this thread has just turned into the panic echo chamber.

Football is suspended, what else are we supposed to do.

[Pepe]

Maybe you’ll get a useful job.

Thanks but no thanks.

[Yevrah]

Whilst I do appreciate this whole situation is worthy of concern and life is going to change for the foreseeable future, I can’t help but think this thread has just turned into the panic echo chamber.

I'm not actually panicking, I just come from a school of thought where I'd rather know about and run through all the eventualities that could occur.

[Shindig]

I wonder with the veracity it's going through Italy, it might be over sooner for them.

[Don]

+1 for Team Niko.

It takes me back to the football debates with all the melts who resisted the statistics before I donned them all senseless and spearheaded Liverpool's rise as the single greatest side in the history of the sport whilst even mongs got expected goals shoved down their throat by MOTD.

[Yevrah]

Daniel Sturridge. Rofl.

[Baz]

Funny that the UK have had to drip feed this lockdown nonsense cos everyone’s such a yob that if they’d done it earlier, everyone would have kicked off and started looting. Had to let a few hundred die so the thickos can see o ye it is bad durrrr first and go along with whatever Boris spouts.

[niko_cee]

Nothing wrong with playing devil's advocate.

Yev's the numbers man, I'm just pointing out the numbers after he dug up the flu.

Just got off a video call with my mum (67) and her twin sister is round with her cousin (65) and my dad (67) has comorbidities. :face:

Hopefully no community transmission here yet.

[Yevrah]

Fair cop, I did start it up again.

[Offshore Toon]

Guarantee town will still be busy in Jersey tonight. My mate made a good point that the government aren't accounting for the sheer amount of dickheads on the island. 12 confirmed, but there will be so many more.

[randomlegend]

So some absolute moron at the N and N self-discharged yesterday before their result came back. It was positive.

[Lofty]

Sky Bet boosted Sunak as 3/1 to be next Tory Leader, had £10 on it.

[Yevrah]

So some absolute moron at the N and N self-discharged yesterday before their result came back. It was positive.

Do that in China and they'd find you and end you.

We can't deal with this.

[Yevrah]

Sky Bet boosted Sunak as 3/1 to be next Tory Leader, had £10 on it.

I really quite like the way he comes across, although he does look about 12.

[Revolution]

I just went to the supermarket and there was no booze. Shit has just got real.

[Waffdon]

Huge fan of the replies to my tweet to Piers Morgan and the bites

[bruhnaldo]

kept waiting for a tweet to load

[Waffdon]

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[Don]

I just went to the supermarket and there was no booze. Shit has just got real.

I did think today's developments might lead to the end of the superbly stocked drinks aisles. Just give me back my access to my filtered full fat milk you cunts, took me an hour and 5 different stores this morning.

[Yevrah]

I don't even...

[Don]

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Strong. I approve.

[Shindig]

How dare this crisis lead us towards healthier lives. <Land of Hope and Glory starts playing>

[randomlegend]

Do that in China and they'd find you and end you.

We can't deal with this.

One of the consultants was saying a few weeks back that when SARS was kicking off in China, they just posted armed guards on the doors of buildings containing people with it and if you tried to leave you were shot. Dunno if it's true, but I can imagine it is.

[Boydy]

I can get on board with people being shot for selfishness.

[Shindig]

I wonder if the Tyne and Wear Metro still does the faredodger billboards? That's the best you'd get here.

[Waffdon]

I can get on board with people being shot for selfishness.

Fuck the Tories, Boyd

[Giggles]

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An imbecile.

[Giggles]

Do that in China and they'd find you and end you.

We can't deal with this.
You can deal with it, so no need for the ‘HORROR’. There’s a few steps back from shooting people that will work.

[Lee]

Indeed.

This article lays it out:

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

There's a fair bit of supposition there but the moral is it can be brought under control. My interpretation is we might just about be there after tonight (the article is a day old) but that we've wasted time so this will be worse than it needed to be.

[Waffdon]

An imbecile.

Full of old folk. Their own fault. Fuck all cases here, mate. Hand sanitizer everywhere

[Giggles]

Full of old folk. Their own fault. Fuck all cases here, mate. Hand sanitizer everywhere

Let me know how that goes.

[randomlegend]

Full of old folk. Their own fault. Fuck all cases here, mate. Hand sanitizer everywhere

You're such scum.

We have kids who come into hospital regularly because they have trachies or cystic fibrosis or whatever other shit condition they have to live with. They get dangerously unwell even with your bog standard winter infections. Before this is over, some of them will almost certainly be dead from this. The kind of attitude and behaviour you're displaying will be part of the reason why.

[Spikey M]

Waff being a cunt isn't news. His true crime is that he's a boring and deeply unoriginal cunt.

[Waffdon]

Celebrating the last few hours of civilisation

[Giggles]

Waff being a cunt isn't news. His true crime is that he's a boring and deeply unoriginal cunt.

And a cretin.

[Giggles]

Waff will be the cunt in a lock-in tomorrow with a few more of his kind to help the spread while sending photos of how LAD they are.

[Waffdon]

I’ve had a tough week at work and am a ‘key worker’ who will be working regardless of a lockdown. Give me a fucking break. It’s a few pints before it’s shut for the next month or so. I’ll still have to be in work on Monday - what’s the difference between travelling to work and being in a pub

[Foe]

Gyms closed for the next month.

So I now need to decide whether to do what I can around the flat with calisthenics, start running/golfing regularly for exercise or head north to my parents so I can use the little gym set up I made there.

I’m working from home anyway so can work wherever. Parents are 60 and In good health, no issues that I’m aware of.

Going to give until next Monday/Tuesday to find out whether I’m climbing the walls or not.

If I’m well, I may head north. This could really drag on and other than the independence there’s going to be little benefit being here.

[Bam]

How are you a key worker?

[Waffdon]

Work for the local government. In charge of paying out benefits and the new business rates relief grant. Need to be in regardless

[Bam]

Work for the local government. In charge of paying out benefits and the new business rates relief grant. Need to be in regardless

Fuck off you do. Just shows how much of a sap you really are.

[Waffdon]

But I’m the bad guy for a having a few more pints and a social life before work and lockdown. Fuck up

[Bam]

Absolute cunt of a man.

[Waffdon]

Cheers x

[Bam]

Prick.

[randomlegend]

I’ve had a tough week at work and am a ‘key worker’ who will be working regardless of a lockdown. Give me a fucking break. It’s a few pints before it’s shut for the next month or so. I’ll still have to be in work on Monday - what’s the difference between travelling to work and being in a pub

You could have quietly had your pint without anyone being any the wiser. Instead you lolled about it for everyone to see on Twitter then backed that attitude up here.

The difference between travelling to work and going to the pub is one is necessary and the other is pure, selfish choice. We can't stop all movement and contact, so we have to minimise it as much as possible. Which means sacrificing shit like having a pint.

I can't believe I have to explain this shit to an apparently functioning adult.

[Lewis]

Gyms closed for the next month.

So I now need to decide whether to do what I can around the flat with calisthenics, start running/golfing regularly for exercise or head north to my parents so I can use the little gym set up I made there.

I’m working from home anyway so can work wherever. Parents are 60 and In good health, no issues that I’m aware of.

Going to give until next Monday/Tuesday to find out whether I’m climbing the walls or not.

If I’m well, I may head north. This could really drag on and other than the independence there’s going to be little benefit being here.

I've ordered some power bags, so provided we're still allowed out the fucking house I'll mess about with them down the seafront.

[Giggles]

The main thing this has shown for us is that either the border needs to go (NI + Ireland one country - not happening) or we need to do away with the small crossings and police the large ones like mainland Europe does.

[Bam]

The main thing this has shown for us is that either the border needs to go (NI + Ireland one country - not happening) or we need to do away with the small crossings and police the large ones like mainland Europe does.

I don't see that. So it'll be no.

[niko_cee]

Since when did the EU police it's borders, or is that just meant within the context of the current creisgeist?

Then there's the common travel area and all.

Anecdotally the pubs were chockers here before a 6.30pm closure, it is what it is, lol at all the fucking piety.

[Giggles]

Since when did the EU police it's borders, or is that just meant within the context of the current creisgeist?

Then there's the common travel area and all.

Anecdotally the pubs were chockers here before a 6.30pm closure, it is what it is, lol at all the fucking piety.

They police them in such a way that they are open but can be closed down if necessary. The one between us and you isn’t set up that way, it’s basically nothing, and it needs to be. Hopefully Brexit means it eventually comes.

[niko_cee]

What is funny though is that div woman from Lost and her freedomz! argument which is clearly going to massively fuck the yanks. Unless, I guess, some true patriots take matters into their owns hands and start 'thinning out the numbers' preemptively.

"It's coming right for us!"

[Jimmy Floyd]

On behalf of Team Panic I can tonight announce a 500-post bailout package for Team Sceptic.

[Yevrah]

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Arnie still donning the shit out of this.

[Yevrah]

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[Yevrah]

Data from Italy indicates the death rate for men is double that for women, US says

It's smokers, isn't it? I bet the death rate among them is through the roof.

[niko_cee]

Not so much donning things with a fucking great big cigar, in that case.

[Yevrah]

Depends how many he partakes in I guess.

[Disco]

More presidential from a jacuzzi than their actual president stood in front of the White House.

[niko_cee]

You're not really meant to inhale cigar smoke, are you? Probably saves him.

[Yevrah]

Oh and where's Lee? I heard today that the NHS have sent some comms out around the PPE gear that was meant to be coming now not being needed because they've tested the current stuff and that will be good enough to protect staff.

Quite the coincidence and money saver if true. Would love to know.

[Shindig]

How the frig is Dame Vera Lynn alive?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Oh and where's Lee? I heard today that the NHS have sent some comms out around the PPE gear that was meant to be coming now not being needed because they've tested the current stuff and that will be good enough to protect staff.

Quite the coincidence and money saver if true. Would love to know.

They've just spaffed eternity billion pounds on guaranteeing workers' wages, I don't think they'll be penny-pinching over a few masks and gowns.

Our boss is so evil that if it comes to it he'll just sack us anyway.

[Yevrah]

I think that every time I see her, then another 5 years passes, I see her again and think the same thing before the cycle repeats.

[niko_cee]

Must be the Ditchling air.

[Foe]

Just found out my pals younger brother caught it whilst attempting to escape Paris when they were going lockdown.

Realised he had as soon as he landed and isolated.. apparently hot and sweaty unable to get out of bed without feeling you’re going to faint and just couldn’t stop coughing.

Sounds miserable but he’s past it after a couple of days.

The whole mass exit strategy doesn’t work if you’ve lost the initial battle... if London is going under then you need to lock them in there. And good luck with that.

[Shindig]

"We've closed the tubes but a replacement bus service is on its way."

[Serj]

A woman at my girlfriend's work has it. The last time she has interacted with her was Thursday last week, and we have now been asked to isolate for another week.

Should have hoarded more, I guess. :moop:

[Lee]

Oh and where's Lee? I heard today that the NHS have sent some comms out around the PPE gear that was meant to be coming now not being needed because they've tested the current stuff and that will be good enough to protect staff.

Quite the coincidence and money saver if true. Would love to know.

Dunno. Not short where we are as far as we know but we don’t have many cases. Not that we know how many we need locally anyway. When I asked last week about what regional modelling we had I just got blank looks.

[Yevrah]

Newsnight has some footage of people in the pub coming up I believe. It's going to make me angry.

[7om]

Newsnight has some footage of people in the pub coming up I believe. It's going to make me angry.

I'd rather not even see it. RL's picture from Norwich riled me up already.

[Giggles]

Just found out my pals younger brother caught it whilst attempting to escape Paris when they were going lockdown.

Realised he had as soon as he landed and isolated.. apparently hot and sweaty unable to get out of bed without feeling you’re going to faint and just couldn’t stop coughing.

Sounds miserable but he’s past it after a couple of days.

The whole mass exit strategy doesn’t work if you’ve lost the initial battle... if London is going under then you need to lock them in there. And good luck with that.

Would many Londoners leave London unless it was to ski or something? They can’t go anywhere that they’re not let in. Like I can’t see too many visiting Norwich or Birmingham.

[Lewis]

I'd rather not even see it. RL's picture from Norwich riled me up already.

It's his mates who told him they were all isolating tonight. :harold:

[Disco]

We should have made a deal with ISIS, let them machine gun a few pubs in return for a 20 year amnesty.

[Boydy]

Would many Londoners leave London unless it was to ski or something? They can’t go anywhere that they’re not let in. Like I can’t see too many visiting Norwich or Birmingham.

So many people in London are originally from elsewhere in the country. They'll all leave to go back to their parents' houses. The place empties at Christmas.

[Yevrah]

Is anywhere else in the world flouting the lockdown requests in the way our population are?

Do we now officially have the stupidest people in the world?

[Giggles]

Is anywhere else in the world flouting the lockdown requests in the way our population are?

Do we now officially have the stupidest people in the world?

Look at your elected leader, the thickest specimen that has walked this earth.

[Andy]

Is anywhere else in the world flouting the lockdown requests in the way our population are?

Do we now officially have the stupidest people in the world?

Most selfish. Sadly.

[Lewis]

London will also have loads of immigrant [descended] families living three generations to a house like the Italians. They're in for a battering.

[Yevrah]

The video in this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-51982495

"It's really messing up with my spring break"

"There's more serious things out there like hunger and poverty and we need to address that"

Having moralised about how shit and selfish everyone else is, Generation Z and the younger Millennials really are outing themselves as a complete hypocritical shower of shit, only interested in changing the world if it involves nothing more inconvenient to them than an instagram post.

[Yevrah]

London will also have loads of immigrant [descended] families living three generations to a house like the Italians. They're in for a battering.

With our approach and population density we really could be leading the world on this in the not too distant future. The West Midlands are absolutely riddled with it too by all accounts.

[Don]

Thinking about the long term implications of this makes me so moist. Please be the death of the experience economy. Please be the superboost to remote working and flexibility. Please be the end of the drinks after work culture. Please be the end of the fetishisation of 'travel'. Churn out the statistics on variations in the state of the environment, alcohol-related hospital admissions, wellness and happiness indicators, divorce rates...it's a fascinating dystopian human experiment. Either that or we'll be back to normal in 6 months.

[Giggles]

Thinking about the long term implications of this makes me so moist. Please be the death of the experience economy. Please be the superboost to remote working and flexibility. Please be the end of the drinks after work culture. Please be the end of the fetishisation of 'travel'. Churn out the statistics on variations in the state of the environment, alcohol-related hospital admissions, wellness and happiness indicators, divorce rates...it's a fascinating dystopian human experiment. Either that or we'll be back to normal in 6 months.

Bring on Alllah?

[Shindig]

You can't really breed that travel thing out of people. Adventure is what it is. It'll always appeal.

[niko_cee]

variations in the state of the environment - nothing will change
alcohol-related hospital admissions - everyone in hospital will be dead or dying of coronavirus
wellness and happiness indicators - probably not great [see above]
divorce rates - probably through the roof if the fog ever lifts

RTA deaths will probably crater though, on the bright side (c.300,000 this year apparently)

Suicides (c.235,000 thus far in 2020) may increase though.

Good old worldometer, where would I be without it's nonsensical yet relentless tickings in times like these?

[Bob Sacamano]

Looting to begin before the end of the month?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I really want to bunker the fuck down at this point, potentially for months, but I'm still having to go into the office. I wonder what it will take.

[Don]

You can't really breed that travel thing out of people. Adventure is what it is. It'll always appeal.

Get rid of these fucking joke flight costs that are killing the planet and let me see to what lengths all these yuppie cunts are willing to go in order to get in their weekend airbnb city break fix.

[Yevrah]

I really want to bunker the fuck down at this point, potentially for months, but I'm still having to go into the office. I wonder what it will take.

That made me genuinely lol. I still can't believe you are.

Your latest views on how this goes for the UK now?

[Lewis]

The Group is turning on itself. Maybe Yevrah was right.

[Disco]

Unfortunately my lot are likely to think anyone working from home is immediately trying to pull a fast one, even though there are almost no customers and I could do everything from here.

[Yevrah]

The Group is turning on itself. Maybe Yevrah was right.

I'm like the virus in many respects, I say stuff, people think it's lunacy, but then hop on board after the incubation period.

[Jimmy Floyd]

That made me genuinely lol. I still can't believe you are.

Your latest views on how this goes for the UK now?

I'm not a scientist, I'm not even Yevrah, but I think it will get very bad for a while and I am a bit frightened.

That said, I think other countries/locations within countries will have it worse than us.

[Shindig]

Get rid of these fucking joke flight costs that are killing the planet and let me see to what lengths all these yuppie cunts are willing to go in order to get in their weekend airbnb city break fix.

Yes. The middle classes are all about Tenerife for £13. Business makes Aviation profitable. The rest are there to fill seats.

[Disco]

I'm not a scientist, I'm not even Yevrah, but I think it will get very bad for a while and I am a bit frightened.

That said, I think other countries/locations within countries will have it worse than us.

It's going to run fucking crazy through somewhere like India, they're totally unprepared to handle something on this scale.

[Lewis]

Speaking of which:

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:gs:

[7om]

The Group is turning on itself. Maybe Yevrah was right.

Yeah, we're gonna need screenshots.

[Yevrah]

Yeah. India and Africa (If heat isn't a saviour and people seem to have given up on talking about that so I'm guessing it isn't) are going to be ravaged.

[Don]

variations in the state of the environment - nothing will change
alcohol-related hospital admissions - everyone in hospital will be dead or dying of coronavirus
wellness and happiness indicators - probably not great [see above]
divorce rates - probably through the roof if the fog ever lifts

RTA deaths will probably crater though, on the bright side (c.300,000 this year apparently)

Suicides (c.235,000 thus far in 2020) may increase though.

Good old worldometer, where would I be without it's nonsensical yet relentless tickings in times like these?

Surely the impact of this shutdown on the environment will be significant and noticeable. I'm waiting for reports of dodo sightings and shit and a ray of hope.

Alcohol related hospital admissions are a big number (?idk), if that's largely made up of punch-ips and peer-pressured drinking then that could plummet. Equally us all becoming house-bound alcoholics is a serious possibility too so could go the other way. Our relationship with the drug (as well as all others, stocking up on psychedelics could have been fun for this) will change.

I imagine divorce rates will shoot up. But so may the value we place on family and the household environment.

RTA death reduction, suicide rate, mental health statistics :drool:

I ain't got a clue, I'm just here to provide the 5am kitchen chat.

[Boydy]

Thinking about the long term implications of this makes me so moist. Please be the death of the experience economy. Please be the superboost to remote working and flexibility. Please be the end of the drinks after work culture. Please be the end of the fetishisation of 'travel'. Churn out the statistics on variations in the state of the environment, alcohol-related hospital admissions, wellness and happiness indicators, divorce rates...it's a fascinating dystopian human experiment. Either that or we'll be back to normal in 6 months.
The end of drinks after work? You gone full fundamentalist in your time away?

[Shindig]

The climate change crew will have something to point at, at least. 9 months or more of reduced pollution.

[Yevrah]

The longer we're indoors the more noticeable the environmental impacts will be.

Apparently you can already now see fish in the canals in Venice. Logical extension is that animals etc. will start coming back into urban areas. Good luck with that one Florida.

[Jimmy Floyd]

My other prediction for this is that when there is a US election, and assuming D.Trump is one of the candidates, the Democrat will win all 50 states and do so with immense comfort.

[Lewis]

Yeah, we're gonna need screenshots.

https://i.imgur.com/oyMnHxx.png?1

Basically a leadership challenge that.

[Yevrah]

And +1 for drinks after work, they're brilliant. Just not during a global pandemic.

Maybe he just works with wankers.

[Disco]

They probably took the piss out of his name.

[Yevrah]

My other prediction for this is that when there is a US election, and assuming D.Trump is one of the candidates, the Democrat will win all 50 states and do so with immense comfort.

All available evidence would suggest the US are totally fucked, perhaps even more so than us (but perhaps not as I still struggle to visualise us being fucked even though I'm certain we are), so I'd agree entirely.

This has the capacity to comfortably topple them from their footing as #1 super power. If China have got it under control, I can't see how it won't.

[Boydy]

Yes. The middle classes are all about Tenerife for £13. Business makes Aviation profitable. The rest are there to fill seats.

:cab:

You can fly to places other than Tenerife for cheap.

[Yevrah]

Surely if there's one thing this pandemic has taught us is that (far too many) people don't give a shit about anything until it's on their doorstep, removing the oxygen from their lungs.

We'll never do anything to stop global warming before it's too late, unless there's a way to do so without it being a huge inconvenience.

[Don]

Yes. The middle classes are all about Tenerife for £13. Business makes Aviation profitable. The rest are there to fill seats.

I'm just out here hypothesising man, don't come at me with that negative energy unless it's got evidence to back it up. Until I can be arsed to look into it in more detail, I'll shed a tear for every airline that goes under like I did for Lehman Brothers.


The end of drinks after work? You gone full fundamentalist in your time away?

I'm still balls deep into debauchery (with a love-hate relationship depending on how severe the damage) but remote working and flexibility should look to slowly kill it off, even if the Kombucha drinking melts of gen-z/Alpha/whatever-the-fuck would have got there anyway.

[Jimmy Floyd]

All available evidence would suggest the US are totally fucked, perhaps even more so than us (but perhaps not as I still struggle to visualise us being fucked even though I'm certain we are), so I'd agree entirely.

This has the capacity to comfortably topple them from their footing as #1 super power. If China have got it under control, I can't see how it won't.

I would guess the narrative of this is going to move from Italy to Spain to us to wherever and when it properly hits America (May/June?) is when we'll start seeing the end of days stuff.

It'll then slowly, slowly clear in Europe and anywhere with a good public health system (not the US) and pop up to ravage different places in the subsequent few years.

We won't be back to globalised 'normal' for some time. Locally, I'm a bit more hopeful, but everywhere will have a dark month or three.

[Lewis]

I bite my nails and I barely get ill as a result, so the Indians and Africans must have all sorts of HERD IMMUNITY the shit conditions they live in.

[Kikó]

The longer we're indoors the more noticeable the environmental impacts will be.

Apparently you can already now see fish in the canals in Venice. Logical extension is that animals etc. will start coming back into urban areas. Good luck with that one Florida.

It's a different, quieter part of the canals.

[Bernanke]

At the same time, there are a lot less 85-year old nonnas in Zimbabwe.