Coronavirus Death Thread

[Spikey M]

Might go and get shot in LA just 'cause I can. Pfizer up the airplane.

[niko_cee]

You'd have to think eventually the efficacy of a vaccine will be the determining factor rather than whether it has been approved for use in a particular region in terms of vaccine passporting, not least because a lot of approval depends on whether something is going to be or can practically be used in a region (ie the Indian made one isn't approved in Europe as they don't have any and there are no plans to have any). You never know though, bureaucracy gonna bureaucracy. The stupid thing about the Indian made AZ stuff is that some of it has been used in the UK, but I believe all UK administered AZ vaccines show up as the approved type (whatever they call it) on the documentation for EU purposes.

I'm sure it's been mentioned in here but I did lol a bit to myself the other week when Frau Merkel had her second jab of a different sort (even though by her own country's guidance she'd have been fine having another AZ) and all the talk was about how these mixed vaccines might actually provide better, more long lasting protection. Remember what was said when whoever it was said about mixing months ago? Bit of a change of tone now that our European overlords are on board with the idea. Dangerous madness I believe was the reportage, turned out to be another piece of inspired brilliance by the JCVI.

[Magic]

I'm happy to staycate until they lose loads of revenue from lack of tourism and reverse everything. Humans gonna human.

[Manc]

Annoyingly I had a year of staycations in the lead up to the pandemic. Get me on a plane!

[Spikey M]

I'm happy to staycate until they lose loads of revenue from lack of tourism


https://youtu.be/RfK5EqemeZ0

[7om]

This shit about production locations is beyond idiotic.

Firstly, the Serum Institute of India is an absolute powerhouse for vaccine production. It ain't some backwater shit hole we're talking about here.

Secondly, it shouldn't matter at all whether or not a traveller to your country has a vaccine approved by your local regulator. If you take that road we're are going to be tying ourselves in knots. If you really have to go down that road, maybe they should consider approvals from strict regulators (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stringent_regulatory_authorities).

[Boydy]

Secondly, it shouldn't matter at all whether or not a traveller to your country has a vaccine approved by your local regulator.

What about shitty one that's only about 50% effective?

[7om]

What about shitty one that's only about 50% effective?

To that I would refer you back to the stringent regulatory authorities list. China isn’t on there.

[Magic]

NHS using 45 cycles on their PCR tests resulting in 97% false positives? That's the content I'm here for. Enjoy your vaccines, lads. :harold:

[Shindig]

You never cite sources for anything, do you?

[Magic]

NHS Greater Manchester.

[Shindig]

<googles it, finds nothing>

Are you schizophrenic?

[Magic]

All over Twitter, lad.

[Shindig]

Can't be that all over if you fail to produce it and I fail to see it.

[Magic]

I'm just like NHS Greater Manchester then lolol

[Kikó]

NHS using 45 cycles on their PCR tests resulting in 97% false positives? That's the content I'm here for. Enjoy your vaccines, lads. :harold:

This is conspiracy Bollocks mate. Research on that.

[Boydy]

I'm happy to staycate until they lose loads of revenue from lack of tourism and reverse everything. Humans gonna human.

https://i.ibb.co/gM4PTS6/OPENUPEVERYTHING.jpg

[Queenslander]

:D

[Queenslander]

Boomer bloke screaming at a 16 girl at the local Macca's this morning was a heavy start to the day.

Poor girl asked him to show that he had logged in with the QR code before she took his order.

:(

[Queenslander]

Lockdown will lifted just in time for the footy!

[Queenslander]

The most Sydney reaction possible.



news.com.au
Crowds of people thronged outdoors in Sydney on Saturday, enjoying “lockdown” and ignoring pleas to stay at home as NSW struggles to contain the Covid-19 Delta strain spread.


https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/closures/mayhem-as-sydney-crowds-defy-lockdown-advice-to-stay-at-home/news-story/786f3ba4eede8a6a31b7ef1cd7a70765

[Kikó]

Boydy :D

I'm impressed that Australia are trying to get rampant covid after such an impressive start. It's like you're managed by Brendan Rodgers and you're trying to throw away the champions League(again).

[Queenslander]

I'm boring but it is the NSW State Liberals and the Federal Liberals that are laughably shite.

I'm off to the pub.

[Ian]

Boomer bloke screaming at a 16 girl at the local Macca's this morning was a heavy start to the day.

Poor girl asked him to show that he had logged in with the QR code before she took his order.

:(

Bawling at a child is always a sure-fire way to be the good guy.

[Queenslander]

Bawling at a child is always a sure-fire way to be the good guy.

In my corner of the world we have boomer problem. If they were American they would be diehard Trump voters.

[Magic]

I stay with family xx

[Disco]

Sitting in your car outside your ex's house doesn't count.

[Magic]

My family x

[Shindig]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_szlzh9Dgrw

[randomlegend]

Work is even worse today than last weekend. This is the first time in paediatrics (and probably second in my career) where I've felt it's genuinely dangerous and where my care of my patients has suffered because we are overwhelmed.

Any parent who calls 111 about a child with a fever seemingly gets sent straight to hospital. A good proportion of the time they phone an ambulance for them. It's insanity.

[Spikey M]

The schools are absolutely rife with viruses at the moment. Plague Pit stuff.

I suppose 18 months of home schooling / working from home / hyper-clean environments / social distancing / not getting ill isn't particularly good for developing immune systems.

[Magic]

Just the beginning unfortunately mate.

The fear mongering has fucked people up beyond recognition.

[Kikó]

Tell us more about those PCR tests you're suddenly an expert on buddy.

[Shindig]

I need to get out into the biggest field I can find. I need my hayfever resistance back.

[Spikey M]

You don't see an AntiVaxx-ZeroCovid hybrid often. Behold, the biggest cunt in Britain:

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[Queenslander]

A bit of history on the Hendra virus from 1994. The bat virus killed a bunch of horses and 4 people.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-05/covid-19-science-started-with-hendra-outbreak-brisbane/100237938

[Shindig]

Vaccine hesitancy among horses. :D

[Queenslander]

Everyone involved was rough as guts.

[Jimmy Floyd]

At the ground where I umpired on Saturday, it was part of a wider sports facility and to get to the cricket pitch area you had to go through a main entrance and a corridor of maybe 20 paces before you came outside again. In front of the main entrance there were four huge signs saying WEAR A MASK. I got into the doorway and took my mask out of my pocket, so it was visibly in my hands about to go on. There was a girl there so before putting it over my mouth I said 'How do I get to the cricket pitch please?' and she didn't answer, but started shaking with nerves/fear/anger/something and yelped PUT YOUR MASK ON. I pointed at the mask in bewilderment and put it on, and said something like 'It's fine, it's right here, I'm putting it on'. She then said 'We're expecting a police visit, if you don't have your mask on we'll all lose our jobs'.

1. No you won't.
2. Police visit? Seriously?
3. This is ending in 2 weeks, how will they cope?
4. People are/society is broken.

[Yevrah]

In a similar vein, I've been invited to a corporate golf day and the list of hoops to jump through to be let in are absolutely ridiculous. It's golf, outdoors.

4 on your list is so true. That week in London opened my eyes to it and once you've seen it you can't un-see it.

[Yevrah]

Another cracker from SCIENCE on the BBC's live feed.


Behavioural psychologist Prof Stephen Reicher, one of the scientists advising the government, tells BBC Breakfast: "Absolutely I agree that people have got to exercise responsibility – but not just personal responsibility, social responsibility.

"We’ve got to act in ways which keep ourselves safe, which keep our families safe, which keep our communities safe.”

He compares wearing masks to driving because it is "one of those areas where my freedom affects your freedom".

"My freedom to drive fast affects your safety. My freedom not to wear a mask affects your safety in terms of not getting Covid," he says.

“In areas like that we recognise we need some level of regulation.”

What level of regulation? Utterly useless.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's not been a great couple of years for behavioural science.

[Yevrah]

I wouldn't mind so much if there were ever any tangible and actionable recommendations, but there aren't. Just a load of useless comparisons and proclamations of doom.

[Don]

Measures are needed, without which we endanger lives.

Is the cunt making the announcement today? :drool: I thought it was meant to be the week before.

[Spikey M]

Next Monday I think.

I'm going to keep my mask solely so I can shove it up the piss pipe of the first cunt that pipes up about them on the 20th.

[Don]

I was going to have a mass bonfire but soft shites will always be soft so I'm not sure that will be the end of it. I recall seeing the Jews had to reverse their mask freedomz decision, did we overtake them on vaccination coverage or are they just even softer?

[Spikey M]

It is being announced tonight apparently.

They'll keep something restricted just for appearances sake, but it does look like masks et al are going. :drool:

[Spikey M]

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Pathetic.

[Baz]

Close the schools!

[Spikey M]

Or stop asking hundreds of kids to isolate every time someone in their year gets ill. Either's fine.

[Pepe]

Behavioral psychology is not science.

[Yevrah]

Take it up with the BBC...


Behavioural psychologist Prof Stephen Reicher, one of the scientists advising the government

[Lofty]

At the ground where I umpired on Saturday, it was part of a wider sports facility and to get to the cricket pitch area you had to go through a main entrance and a corridor of maybe 20 paces before you came outside again. In front of the main entrance there were four huge signs saying WEAR A MASK. I got into the doorway and took my mask out of my pocket, so it was visibly in my hands about to go on. There was a girl there so before putting it over my mouth I said 'How do I get to the cricket pitch please?' and she didn't answer, but started shaking with nerves/fear/anger/something and yelped PUT YOUR MASK ON. I pointed at the mask in bewilderment and put it on, and said something like 'It's fine, it's right here, I'm putting it on'. She then said 'We're expecting a police visit, if you don't have your mask on we'll all lose our jobs'.

1. No you won't.
2. Police visit? Seriously?
3. This is ending in 2 weeks, how will they cope?
4. People are/society is broken.

What does she think the police would do if you had a magical sunflower lanyard on?

[Waffdon]

Tay side top of the league for Covid in Europe. SCENES

[Spikey M]

Tay side top of the league for Covid in Europe. SCENES

https://ourworldindata.org/exports/daily-tests-per-thousand-people-smoothed-7-day-a847e6c96bb2640c05a8cd075949d1bb_v240_850x600.svg

[Spikey M]

He's been rattled by the Partridge comparisons and he's going full Harvey Yevrah instead.

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[Yevrah]

I had no idea that she was a communist, but her answer is incredible.

[Yevrah]

As is "a disgraceful way to treat a scientist" These people are beyond reproach.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I might wheel out 'a disgraceful way to treat a salesman' soon in the hope my customers might shut up.

[Pepe]

Professors are always full of shit.

[Pepe]

Good to see Dr Z on the case though. :harold:

[Yevrah]

These questions are fucking scandalous. Absolute fear-mongering of the highest order.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The left (and it is the left) position on this seems to be an indefinite commitment to making the perfect the enemy of the good. Where have I seen them do that before.

For once we should follow America in this. You vaccinate, then you open up. Whatever happens after that just happens. You can encourage things without legislating them. It is not 'mixed messages' to do that.

[Shindig]

I had no idea that she was a communist, but her answer is incredible.

Yep. All she had to do was say 'Yes, Richard." and that'd be that.

[Pepe]

But would he do that to a man?!?!?!?!?

[Kikó]

The left (and it is the left) position on this seems to be an indefinite commitment to making the perfect the enemy of the good. Where have I seen them do that before.

For once we should follow America in this. You vaccinate, then you open up. Whatever happens after that just happens. You can encourage things without legislating them. It is not 'mixed messages' to do that.

Left wing/doctor Twitter is insufferable at the moment. Zero recognition of the vaccine in all the hysteria. If you're that much at risk, or that worried, maybe you can't go to a bar ever again (or more likely, you'll go back to how you used to behave).

[Shindig]

As for the masks, I'm keeping mine. Sometimes emptying the hoover kills my lungs for a day. And it'll come in handy if I ever travel to somewhere that's on fire.

[-james-]

I'll probably not bother because we're 18 months in and I still routinely have to double back home because I've forgotten my mask. It has been quite nice never having a cold though. I can see why you'd never want to interact with public transport ick ever again.

[Lewis]

Left wing/doctor Twitter is insufferable at the moment. Zero recognition of the vaccine in all the hysteria. If you're that much at risk, or that worried, maybe you can't go to a bar ever again (or more likely, you'll go back to how you used to behave).

I can just about understand the people who want to wait until everybody is vaccinated, but a lot of it is people worrying about people who have been. WHAT ABOUT MY PARENTS THEY ARE ELDERLY AND... Oh well we'll just wear masks forever.

[phonics]

The amount of people who have gone from trust the science to 'Im not getting vaccinated' in my life is so depressing.

[Don]

Oooh, BBC News wheeling in a dying whale to warn of the consequences again, nice novelty to it after a month or 2 off.

If you feel yourself going soft in the coming weeks, just remember every man, woman and child has had flus twice as worse as COVID and not even blinked at the risk of passing it to loved ones. You've been psychologically brainwashed and abused and it's a long road back to normal but we can do it.

[Shindig]

We can only get better at dealing with this, too. Vaccines will get better. Treatments will get better. With each passing wave, natural immunity gets better. Probably.

[Yevrah]

The amount of people who have gone from trust the science to 'Im not getting vaccinated' in my life is so depressing.

Well, the SCIENCE seems to be ignoring vaccine efficacy, so I can sort of see how that's happened.

[7om]

I wholeheartedly welcome the lifting of restrictions. I cannot press the pause button on my life anymore. The zero covid animals and doctor Twitter can go fuck themselves.

[Jimmy Floyd]

90s alternative comedy twitter (the worst twitter) is in full on I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS GOVERNMENT mode, so I'm more convinced than ever that they're doing the right thing.

[Magic]

As for the masks, I'm keeping mine. Sometimes emptying the hoover kills my lungs for a day. And it'll come in handy if I ever travel to somewhere that's on fire.

Nonce.

[Shindig]

They don't even wear masks outside court.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The more I read on this, the more fully culture war it has gone. One side incandescent with indignation and frustration about the idea that the government will allow its citizens to be within 1m of each other in public places, just as a few months back it was the other side screaming with rage about the idea of putting some cloth over your face for 5 minutes in a shop. No one is unsure, it's a case of picking your side, good or evil, and that's you done.

We've all gone fully mental, I'm telling you.

[Queenslander]

More karma for me being a smug dickhead last year the covid test I took yesterday can take up to 72 hours for a result to get back to me. Wasn't expecting 3 days of isolation.

[Queenslander]

The Bondi Beach cluster is up to 255 people.

:huhu:

[niko_cee]

No flights to Australia for the rest of the year and then some (3000 people allowed in a week) is absolutely mental.

[Spikey M]

The horse has bolted over there now. Absolutely mental letting it do so now, but here we are.

[Queenslander]

Fortress Australia. :cool:

[Spikey M]

My daughter is still going to school in Southend until there's a space at her new school. This has been annoying, but I have been cheered this morning by the 2 protests I drove past to get her there. One outside a Private School calling for PPE for all children and the other outside the hospital calling for PPE for everyone and everything as far as I could tell.

:happycry:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Heads have gone part 343,144.

[Lofty]

Arguing the toss about some short term working conditions around engineering that means staff might have to be in a small staff room at the same time, being told that this will contravene social distancing rules despite not happening until the first week in August :moop:

[Spikey M]

I got an email about a "drive through firework display" for Guy Fawkes Night the other day. We're never going to see the back of this shit.

[Kikó]

Oooh, BBC News wheeling in a dying whale to warn of the consequences again, nice novelty to it after a month or 2 off.

If you feel yourself going soft in the coming weeks, just remember every man, woman and child has had flus twice as worse as COVID and not even blinked at the risk of passing it to loved ones. You've been psychologically brainwashed and abused and it's a long road back to normal but we can do it.

Shut up with this shit.

[Yevrah]

Given their stance for the last 15 months, I’m not sure how this one got through.

Why it's time to think differently about Covid https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57678942

The most balanced and sensible piece I’ve seen on the beeb for as long as I can remember.

[Shindig]

They're a state broadcaster. Now the doors are being opened, they have to tell it to the masses.

[Yevrah]

I mean, their headline is "COVID cases could rise to 100,000 a day", so let's not get the bunting out just yet.

[Manc]

Only the two mentions for SCIENCE.

[Yevrah]

If you care to point me to where what I'm saying isn't true we can engage.

[Jimmy Floyd]

People can't get their heads around the idea of 'play it safe', and 'ban everyone from doing most things for extended periods' not being the same thing anymore.

I guess it'll take a non-disaster in the next few weeks to shut them up, but even then it'll be long covid or some other shit, these people need to be angry and they don't really care why.

[Yevrah]

When you say 'these people', who are we talking about?

[Don]

Shut up with this shit.

Listen, I've let you get on with your 'I jUsT gOt My SeConD jAb, HoPe It DoEsN't WiPe Me OuT lOl' vaccine update meltiness for some weeks now, the least you could do is afford me the same rights.

100K cases a day projected for July :drool:

[Magic]

When you say 'these people', who are we talking about?

Dying whales, public sector employees, social outcasts.

[Manc]

2/3 for Don.

[Jimmy Floyd]

When you say 'these people', who are we talking about?

Everyone who is currently shitting the bed about the impending reopening.

[Pepe]

My daughter is still going to school in Southend until there's a space at her new school. This has been annoying, but I have been cheered this morning by the 2 protests I drove past to get her there. One outside a Private School calling for PPE for all children and the other outside the hospital calling for PPE for everyone and everything as far as I could tell.

:happycry:

:lol:

[Pepe]

When you say 'these people', who are we talking about?

:D

[Yevrah]

:D

:D

No one is ever going to admit the group I'm getting at in that question, but we all know if they'd stopped spreading fear and doom when there was just cause to do so (about 6 months ago when mass vaccines turned up), we'd be nowhere near where we are now psychologically as a nation.

[Kikó]

Listen, I've let you get on with your 'I jUsT gOt My SeConD jAb, HoPe It DoEsN't WiPe Me OuT lOl' vaccine update meltiness for some weeks now, the least you could do is afford me the same rights.

100K cases a day projected for July :drool:

Still comparing it to the flu is my issue. As always, most of your post is incorrect hyperbolic bollocks.

[Yevrah]

The sense keeps on coming:


Double jabbed will not have to self-isolate from 16 August
Sajid Javid says the latest figures show the vaccination programme has saved 27,000 lives and prevented 7m people from getting Covid.

Both doses can reduce symptomatic infection by almost 80%, he says.

He says: "The odds have shifted in our favour and we can look afresh at many of the measures we have had to put in place".

From 16 August anyone who is a close contact of a positive case will no longer have to self-isolate if they've been fully vaccinated, he says.

If someone gets their second dose just before or just after 16 August they'll have to wait for two weeks to build up the maximum protection before they can enjoy these new freedoms, he says.

:drool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

A lot of this points to those Hancock snog pics being leaked at exactly the right time for him not to be around to block this reopening.

[Yevrah]

Meanwhile on the other side:


Labour’s shadow health secretary Jonathan Ashworth says Sajid Javid talks about building a protective wall with vaccines, but the “wall is only part built”.

He says data from Israel suggests that the infectious Delta variant can be transmitted through fully vaccinated people, “yet he (Javid) is releasing control when infections are rising and hospitalisations will rise as well”.

Ashworth says he “understands the rationale for his announcement” but he says the “biggest barrier to an effective isolation policy” is “lack of financial incentive to stay home”.

On masks, he calls for a U-turn, saying that rules should remain in place. He adds: “Let’s have freedom not a high-risk free-for-all.”

“Keep masks for now; fix sick pay; and lets unlock in a safe and sustainable way.”

Ashworth, Sir, you are a complete disgrace.

[Yevrah]

Javid knocking it out of the park here:


Under 18s will not have to self-isolate
Javid says we are not currently offering vaccinations to most people aged under 18.

But the government wants to ensure they can get the life experiences that are so important to their development while keeping them safe from this deadly virus, he says.

In line with the approach for adults, anyone under the age of 18 who is a close contact of a positive case will no longer have to self-isolate, he says.

Instead they will be given advice about whether they should get tested, dependent on their age, and will need to self-isolate only if they test positive.

These measures will also come in on 16 August ahead of the autumn school term.

The government is also looking at how to remove the need for fully-vaccinated UK arrivals to quarantine after returning from an amber list country.

[Don]

Still comparing it to the flu is my issue. As always, most of your post is incorrect hyperbolic bollocks.

I wouldn't wish to go against your fantastic knowledge obtained from reading news articles aimed at the masses but the point being made was, having likely had both, I can confirm some flu viruses felt much worse and yet no one allowed them to affect their behaviours significantly. It's important to bear that in mind to retain perspective. Also, suck my balls. Ta.

[Yevrah]

With everyone vaccinated presumably this will kill far less this winter than flu will too.

[Lofty]

I wouldn't wish to go against your fantastic knowledge obtained from reading news articles aimed at the masses but the point being made was, having likely had both, I can confirm some flu viruses felt much worse and yet no one allowed them to affect their behaviours significantly. It's important to bear that in mind to retain perspective. Also, suck my balls. Ta.

Counter point: I know people who were fit and healthy (walking fells every weekend, not overweight) who died from covid. Can't remember people randomly dying of flu like that prior to this.

[Kikó]

Nah Lofty, he's had both. He knows.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

He still can't use that massive nose of his, right?

[Don]

Yeah, COVID has the potential to be worse. It is very much comparable to the flu though. To tell mans to shut up for making such a comparison is merely an indication of how much you want to suck their balls.

[Yevrah]

I'd say it's comparable after we've vaccinated everyone.

[Kikó]

I'd go with that. Post vaccine you're talking about a virus that has the majority of the worst elements minimised.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The vaccines changing the game step is the one that a large amount of the population (based on polling) seem psychologically unable or unwilling to make.

[Don]

I'd go with that. Post vaccine you're talking about a virus that has the majority of the worst elements minimised.

Look at this grovelling melt, Yev says the same thing and gets a 'yeah, good point, deffo agreed' :D

[Kikó]

You need to learn how to communicate better.

[randomlegend]

Or just basic comprehension, really.

[Don]

You need to put aside your prejudices. I realise it's difficult what with me being so FUCKING MASSIVE but it's for the better.

[Baz]

Stop arguing.

[7om]

The goalposts will keep moving with the outrage groups. Deepti genuinely looks unhinged on Twitter nowadays.

[Boydy]

Are people still supposed to isolate if they test positive after the restrictions are lifted?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Yes, just not if they're contacts (is my understanding).

[Yevrah]

The vaccines changing the game step is the one that a large amount of the population (based on polling) seem psychologically unable or unwilling to make.

And the key factor driving that (for me, obvs) is due to SCIENCE refusing to recognise it, continuing to scare the hell out of people and being given a platform to do so.

[Boydy]

Yes, just not if they're contacts (is my understanding).
Have they done anything about sick pay?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Obviously not. The legal requirement to self-isolate whilst receiving no support to do so has been a scandal. They've briefed that they're scared they'll have to keep it afterwards if they change SSP.

My response has been simply not to have the app.

[Disco]

Quite. I didn't want to have an argument with my directors about them not paying me for forced leave I didn't want to take so I never bothered downloading it.

[Yevrah]

It doesn't work anyway, so no biggie.

[Disco]

It also looked like a massive sinecure when it came out anyway (and we simply weren't bothering with any sort of proper track and tracing) so it's nice to have my complete apathy validated.

[Shindig]

On the Israeli rise in infections:


The figures show that between May 2 and June 5, the vaccine had a 94.3% efficacy rate. From June 6, five days after the government canceled coronavirus restrictions, until early July, the rate plunged to 64%. A similar decline was recorded in protection against coronavirus symptoms, the report said.

At the same time, protection against hospitalization and serious illness remained strong. From May 2 to June 5, the efficacy rate in preventing hospitalization was 98.2%, compared with 93% from June 6 to July 3. A similar decline in the rate was recorded for the vaccine’s efficiency in preventing serious illness among people who had been inoculated.

Just like here, infections are going up steep but it's not translating directly to hospital admissions.

We had 8 off last week due to track and trace, rather than positive cases. Glad that's on the way out. There's been two effective factors in all of this: Lockdown and vaccines. When the two came together (before Delta took off), we were seeing a disease actually dying off. Now it's here, vaccines are our biggest weapon.

[Magic]

I'd go with that. Post vaccine you're talking about a virus that has the majority of the worst elements minimised.

Tell us more about the vaccines you're now an expert in.

[Shindig]

Motherfucker, you can't still need convincing after 3.2bn shots.

[Kikó]

Haha. Source: the evidence of all the fucking doses.

[Baz]

It also looked like a massive sinecure when it came out anyway (and we simply weren't bothering with any sort of proper track and tracing) so it's nice to have my complete apathy validated.
My wife got a notification on Sunday morning about needing to isolate so she rang them up to query the source of the interaction and after a lengthy discussion to try and narrow it down, was advised to delete the app and get a PCR test. The test was negative and she’s not isolating. :sorry:

If the National contact tracing team are advising people to delete the contact tracing app, what’s the fucking point.

[Shindig]

I never installed it for fear of situations like that. Going back to the office would just set it off constantly. We take two LFT tests a week, so I'll cover myself with that.

[Baz]

Do you lads without the app fake checking into pubs (camera app, usually) or admit to not having it and writing your details down on paper?

I’ve been lucky that everytime I’ve been someone else I’m with has [claimed to] had the app so checked in for me, cos there’s no chance I was ever downloading it.

[Shindig]

Either who I'm with checks in or I fill in a contact form.

[Yevrah]

I don't have the app and just give my details instead and have never been contacted.

[Spikey M]

I just take a photo of the QR Code and pretend it's the app.

[Kikó]

I've never downloaded the app and do a mixture of sign in/fake apping.

[Yevrah]

Er, why are you not giving your details?

[Lewis]

So people don't follow him home.

[Lofty]

Er, why are you not giving your details?

Why do I need contract tracing because I was sat outside having a pint for 30 minutes? Wank me off, science.

[Kikó]

Er, why are you not giving your details?

If the sheet isn't there then I'll kill granny.

[Yevrah]

Why do I need contract tracing because I was sat outside having a pint for 30 minutes? Wank me off, science.

What about when you're sat indoors? Which I assume you will have been during this lovely weather.

[Spikey M]

Er, why are you not giving your details?

I've already had Covid and I've had a Jab. I'm not isolating because I've been vaguely near some cunt that turned out to have Covid at some point in the following 10 days.

[Lofty]

What about when you're sat indoors? Which I assume you will have been during this lovely weather.

I haven't been out that much, last time was last Thursday in Manchester and it was roasting so all gravy.

I would suggest most people are avoiding it because, as mentioned earlier, people who get full wages whilst isolating are in the privileged minority. A lot of people are likely to take a chance than risk getting SSP instead of £1000+ for the best part of a fortnight. It's not right but it's human nature.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I have a mortgage so I'm not risking 7 days on SSP because I've stood next to some smelly invalid in the toilet.

[Yevrah]

All valid responses as far as I'm concerned. Shows what a fuck up the whole thing is though. And yet another L for SCIENCE.

[Kikó]

Science doesn't roll out track and trace.

[Yevrah]

No, but you can bet your arse people under the banner of SCIENCE do. Quasi wankers basically.

[Shindig]

If SCIENCE had control over track and trace, they'd probably want something a lot more precise. GPS tracking, exposure times, etc.

[Spikey M]

Track and Trace is absolutely pointless when the horse is already frolicking in the field. Most of us probably encounter someone with Covid at least once a week.

Track and Trace is for countries that actually have the thing under control.

[Yevrah]

Completely agree. Was that mentalist on Twitter banging on about it for months though until she turned her attention to long COVID?

[Kikó]

Dido Harding and Serco aren't science.

[Yevrah]

Neither of those are who I was thinking of.

[Queenslander]

NSW Government have managed to almost get away with vaccinating the entire senior class at a posh High School. 160 kids got jabbed zero teachers or admin staff lolol.

https://i.ibb.co/0JQkVQT/FB-IMG-1625622519543.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[SvN]

First day of a full office since March 2020 today. It's glorious. Feels like people really don't give a shit anymore. We've had a few in-person meetings over the last week with clients, and none of them asked to do it on Zoom.

[Manc]

Murderers.

[Yevrah]

Interesting that a fair few businesses are looking at keeping masks mandatory.

I wonder when we will actually be rid of all of this shit.

[Lewis]

They need to keep masks to keep the theatre of it as a continued excuse for shit service.

[Andy]

Interesting that a fair few businesses are looking at keeping masks mandatory.

I wonder when we will actually be rid of all of this shit.

I think I would just give any business that still expects masks as mandatory a swerve unless it was for something work related.

In other news I'm getting my second vaccination on the 15th, 8 weeks after my first.

[Yevrah]

I've got my second next week, brought forward from the end of the month.

AZ round two should be fun.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Other than what Lewis says, the only other reason I can think of for a business to keep masks mandatory would be if its target market is exclusively made up of the sort of self-congratulatory twat who is going to make a point of continuing to wear them for culture war reasons.

Much like it was with revealing my referendum vote, I'm waiting to see if it's going to be more hassle to keep wearing them, or to take them off.

[Kikó]

I've got my second next week, brought forward from the end of the month.

AZ round two should be fun.

We had zero reaction on the second one fwiw.

[Don]

Yeh Yev, he's had both. He knows.

[Lewis]

How come you've had both already anyway (other than simply being more important)?

[Yevrah]

We had zero reaction on the second one fwiw.

Cheers. Does seem to be that way, thankfully.

[Kikó]

How come you've had both already anyway (other than simply being more important)?

Managed to get in on a "walk in" day where they invited anyone to turn up which means I'm about 4 weeks ahead of some.

[Lofty]

I've had both for ages, 1 - 0 for the whales :cool:

[randomlegend]

It's weird to think but I must have been in the first few hundred thousand people in the world to be vaccinated.

[Ian]

Makes you think.

[randomlegend]

Deep.

[Yevrah]

I guess I'm also comfortably one of the first billion. :jayjay: Or it would be if it actually entitled me to do anything.

[Spikey M]

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jul/08/tokyo-to-be-put-under-state-of-emergency-for-duration-of-2020-olympic-games

Just hold it somewhere else (London) for fuck sake.

Edit: 3rd attemped link. Pay wall cunts.

[Manc]

It's going to be dire. Have GB even got any serious contenders?

[Don]

The tests for departure were faff that led me to choosing the big name Boots but this Day 2 and 8 testing on arrival system led me to the list of providers on the govt website:

https://www.find-travel-test-provider.service.gov.uk/test-type/amber

It's such cowboy territory it's unreal. 394 listed providers, sorted by price except some are listing their on-site testing prices (under £10 and possibly sold out too so not even an obligation to adhere to that) and getting all the traffic at which point the general customer yields and just books a random one having seen no discernible way to choose the cheapest without going through 50+ sites. All the sites are fucking amateur hour creations so you know what sort of charlatan is behind them too. Real big money to be made in this shit if you create one and list your on-site price as 1p.

[-james-]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/leeds-cancer-surgery-coronavirus-nhs-b1879646.html

What is going on here? There were 22 people in hospital with Covid in Leeds last week.

randomlegend

[Lewis]

https://i.imgur.com/YrWwT5C.png

State of these people.

[Spikey M]

1 in 5 people want a 10pm Curfew regardless of Covid. :|

[Shindig]

I hesitate to say those eejits didn't understand the question being posed.

"CAN'T BE TOO CAREFUL!"

[7om]

I feel sorry for the people voting permanently. It will take a while for some to return to where we were 18 months ago.

[Jimmy Floyd]

That's why they need to be basically left behind by the law, and forced into it.

For a lot of the British public, the idea of other people enjoying themselves is a seriously frustrating thought.

[Queenslander]

NSW are up 409 locally acquired cases. Not surprised to hear that the NSW Police have announced harsher measurese for Western Sydney compared to Bondi and other posh Eastern Sydney shires.

Also reports that a posh girls school has had their Senior class jabbed ahead of the teachers and admin staff at the school.

[Yevrah]

People are broken. Hell, I’m broken and while it’s taken a while to admit that I still don’t think I’m as broken as many. I might be wrong on that, but if I’m not, well….

[Don]

Hopefully it all comes to the fore soon after Sunday's finql with no more distractions.

Hospitalisations at 2,636 which seems an absolutely laughable percentage of even the first wave peak and we still have reports of doom and hospitals struggling to cope? There's very little logic present.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The hospitals struggling to cope I think is more down to the fact that swathes of staff are being made to isolate for no real reason. I'm prepared to give the government slack on a lot of things as this isn't easy, but there are two aspects of current policy that are completely nonsensical:

- People are being made to isolate with no support, financial or otherwise (why the hell would I even think about having the app?)
- We are lifting restrictions in two weeks (i.e. a sign that they are not concerned about spread) and yet contacts are still being made to isolate in order to prevent spread

Neither of these make any sense.

[Shindig]

Isolation for hospital staff does make sense. If you're working on a cancer ward and a colleague gets the virus, you can't take a chance. Not when your patients will be immunocompromised. No health trust would sign off on that. There's probably some good data on hospital spread, too.

[Jimmy Floyd]

On the people going mental front, I went to a takeaway coffee place this morning for breakfast. I ordered a bacon sandwich and a coffee, said 'please' and 'thank you', paid my money and went to the end of the counter to wait for it. When it was done the woman shoved the sandwich and coffee on the counter with a massive scowl and shouted BREAKFAST IS SERVED! at me before turning away and huffing backstage. I mean, *McNulty voice* what the fuck did I do? You're a coffee place that does food, these demands shouldn't be unexpected.

[Spikey M]

Isolation for hospital staff does make sense. If you're working on a cancer ward and a colleague gets the virus, you can't take a chance. Not when your patients will be immunocompromised. No health trust would sign off on that. There's probably some good data on hospital spread, too.

The alternative to that risk is denying patients life saving treatment. If I had cancer, I know which risk I'd prefer.

[Baz]

Not to have it? :henn0rz:

[Yevrah]

On service, I had one pint in a city centre pub last night, which I nursed for ages. It took me longer to drink it than actually get it.

Britain is broken and its people are broken. I wonder how the late 40s and early 50s compared to this?

[Baz]

I’ve not come across any broken people in real life tbf. A very small selection people I know adhere to all the guidelines and the rest just wear masks indoors but life is otherwise normal.

[SvN]

We went out for lunch yesterday at work. We were seated and then sat for 20 minutes without seeing a member of staff. We left and went to Wetherspoons, where we ordered on the app.

[Kikó]

I really haven't seen any examples of broken Britain in my few times being out. I don't really see people being any different (bar mask wearing).

[Raoul Duke]

Probably a lot of it is EU citizens going back home and sacking off their jobs due to a combination of Brexit and COVID.

[Ian]

Tim Martin crying about that was one of the highlights of the year so far.

[Jimmy Floyd]

When the hospitality industry realises it will now have to pay its workers a decent wage, we will either move into a utopian type scenario, or a Basil Fawlty ongoing nightmare. I'm guessing the latter.

[Lewis]

I think a lot of people will be like my mother, who happily mixes and breaks the rules with people she knows, but pulls a face if somebody gets too close to her in a shop.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Which is a form of nimbyism, which is basically the national sport.

[Magic]

More than 300 young people were admitted to intensive care after contracting PIMS-TS, a rare inflammatory syndrome in children caused by the virus. The risks of children becoming severely unwell from the condition is one in 38,911.

@RL :harold:

[Shindig]

Which twitter feed did you get that one from?

[Magic]

Daily Record.

[randomlegend]

More than 300 young people were admitted to intensive care after contracting PIMS-TS, a rare inflammatory syndrome in children caused by the virus. The risks of children becoming severely unwell from the condition is one in 38,911.

@RL :harold:

What's the risk of a serious side effect attributable to the vaccine? (Hint, it's a lot less than 1 in 39,00)

So the balance of risk is greatly in favour of vaccination.

Thank you for making my argument for me.

(Your quote is deliberately worded in a misleading way as well; if you have PIMS-TS your risk of being seriously unwell is 1 in 1).

[Don]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/vaccine-passports-hospitality-coronavirus-restrictions-b1881618.html

:happycry:

[Boydy]

Got my second jab today. And got a free ice cream at the vaccine centre.

[Waffdon]

What flavour?

[Magic]

Have you changed your FB profile pic yet.

[Boydy]

What flavour?

Just your standard whippy one. They had a van at the exit.

[Boydy]

Have you changed your FB profile pic yet.

You still use facebook? Is that where you're getting all your plandemic and anti-vax shit from?

[Luke Emia]

Was in London yesterday and this morning the mask wearing is effectively not a thing there from what I could see especially among the brown people.

[Kikó]

It was pretty good today when I was on. Vast majority are wearing their muzzles.

[Shindig]

Still masked up in the north. Also, it appears one of the shopping centres has went very, very one-way traffic. Closing an exit to the bus station and only giving you one exit out of the centre itself feels daft.

[Disco]

Exeter still has a road in the middle of town reduced to a single lane, I am told to enable pedestrians to socially distance.

[Queenslander]

Sydney now has 19 people in ICU with Covid. Gold Standard Glads...

[Shindig]

Not to completely piss on people's chips or anything but the people in hospital has risen by 800 in a week. Week before that it was 400. Week before that was 300. Week before that was 100.

Vaccinations are are their lowest level for the entire rollout. We might just have fucked this.

[Yevrah]

I was looking at some numbers yesterday and thinking, how are they this bad.

[Yevrah]

When the June easing was delayed my immediate thought was that if we're delaying that because it's a potential problem, what we're allowed to do currently is already a problem.

The vaccines don't last very long, do they? If hospital numbers continue to rise in this way nothing else makes sense.

[Spikey M]

Not to completely piss on people's chips or anything but the people in hospital has risen by 800 in a week. Week before that it was 400. Week before that was 300. Week before that was 100.

Vaccinations are are their lowest level for the entire rollout. We might just have fucked this.

https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/old-man-celebrating-home-laughing-260nw-76787722.jpg

[Shindig]

1. In the North East it's driven by cases at universities and colleges. This in turn gets to the over 60's because Unis are right in the centre of town and people have to shop.
2. Easing of lockdown has accelerated cases.
3. The Delta variant has also added to that.
4. The Delta variant has impacted vaccine efficacy by 30%.
5. Turns out lockdown was really, really good at driving numbers down.

The thing about the vaccine slowdown is weird. Nobody's reported any supply chain issues but they are opening vaccine clinics and talking about vaccine hesitancy in younger groups.

[Spikey M]

The summer holidays should help massively. The real concern is going to be Autumn.

Scenes when ZeroCovid is the only actual solution. :happycry:

[Don]

Just roughly going by eye on the Guardian graphs (which is about as in depth an analysis as I can be bothered to do on this shit these days), the daily cases are at around the midway point of Wave 2 and hospitalisations at lessthan 10% of it. Wave 1 hardto judge case rate as testing was non-existant but still, similarly small percentage of the hospitalisations of wave 1. It still very much looks like vaccines work fine.

But then that Iraqi cunt Nadhim is on TV suggesting it'll be expected masks re worn indoors from next Monday. What? If that's anything more than silly 'guidance' that no one listens to like 'don't drink and drive' then how would that even work with allowing restrictions to end? What a fucking shambles.

[Spikey M]

They work in terms of reducing hospitalisation percentage, but the NHS gets overwhelmed everytime some twat twists their ankle so hospitalisation growth like this will have us back in lockdown in no time.

[Yevrah]

The summer holidays should help massively. The real concern is going to be Autumn.

Scenes when ZeroCovid is the only actual solution. :happycry:

If vaccines don't work (at least well enough for the NHS to ever deal with all of its backlogs and get back to normal) we are fucked, absolutely fucked.

[Kikó]

When the June easing was delayed my immediate thought was that if we're delaying that because it's a potential problem, what we're allowed to do currently is already a problem.

The vaccines don't last very long, do they? If hospital numbers continue to rise in this way nothing else makes sense.

That's not true
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Plus on effectiveness here

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1413605927282958337?s=19

[Yevrah]

Hmmm. I went into battle for the vaccines earlier this year when it was said they were 100% effective against severe disease and that turned out not to be true, so I'm wary of everything that isn't consistent now.

Hospital numbers rising like this is not consistent with 8 months immunity.

[Spikey M]

Having looked at the numbers myself, I can't see how we avoid a lockdown here. We only have something like 10% of the hospitalisations we had with the same number of cases in January, but the increase in cases is ridiculous. Schools closing will help, but nightclubs and the like will be opening with zero distancing or masks. Superspreading dream conditions.

They really need to get cracking with vaccinating the kids. Although I fear the uptake will be very low there.

[Yevrah]

Yep, we're going back in and I think that'll finish me off.

[Spikey M]

Acting now would make things far easier, but I don't think BoJo has the balls to make that U-Turn.

Then there's the publics attitude. Would anyone actually follow lockdown rules now? I'm not sure I would particularly to be honest.

I suppose the next test will be how these hospitalisations translate to deaths. We can't rule out these hospitalisations just being a load of soft cunts getting a positive test and turning up at hospital immediately.

[Magic]

I've got pneumonia again.

:eyemouth:

[Yevrah]

I get my second jab on Wednesday, so I'd say by August if I'm following rules I'd only be doing so for the benefit of others.

[niko_cee]

The benefit of who though? The vanishingly small percentage of people who are both at risk and can't be vaccinated?

Everyone else isn't particularly at risk (and so would probably prefer to muddle on) or is a twat, and deserve all they get.

I'm supposed to be over in England for a month in August so if you could avoid fucking it up too badly and/or completely shitting the bed that would be appreciated. Or get on with it so I can abort.

[Shindig]

I've got pneumonia again.

:eyemouth:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3DNNhhG09w

[Yevrah]

For the benefit of whoever it is that's still ending up in hospital with this thing.

[Lewis]

Nobody cares about cases. Anything less than a thousand deaths a day and we're doing what we want.

[niko_cee]

I read somewhere recently (think it might have been Spiegelhalter related so not complete BS) that deaths linked to flu were something like X times more than those linked to covid in a recent sample, and pneumonia deaths were 10X in the same period.

A fully vaccinated 80 year old or somesuch is at the same level of risk as an unvaccinated 50 year old, so still 'at risk'. It is impossible to completely protect the old and infirm, they are by definition at risk of dying at any time. Becoming fixated on it very much is that cult of death thing the quote goes on about.

[Shindig]

Cases do matter, though. If it's still circulating in large enough numbers, it'll trickle down to hospitals. There's also the increased risk of another variant that comes with it being so widespread.

[Spikey M]

Fuck the variant risk.

The problem so far as I can see will be if Hospitals are no longer able to function. Which seems to be the state of affairs at the moment without a load of Covid Cases to deal with.

[-james-]

I've not looked at the numbers since about Wednesday but going by this thread you'd think covid was now transmissible by eye contact.

[Spikey M]

If you got Covid in your eye you probably would catch it.

[Spikey M]

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1 in 66 people could die? Yeah. Alright mate.

[Yevrah]

Yeah, that makes no sense and isn't helpful. We'd need another 870,000 deaths to hit 1m.

[Manc]

The SCIENCE clearly cannot grasp the concept of learning to live with it.

[Shindig]

Grasping the concept is fine. Dealing with the reality is different. It's been almost 2 years.

[7om]

I've just been playing around with some of the numbers.

I picked two points in the autumn wave of last year that represents 0% vaccination rate and the current numbers with ~50% of the adult population having had two doses. The seven day average for hospitalisations look like this

13/8/2020 - 101.7
30/9/2020 - 465

15/5/2021 - 101.6
3/7/2021 - 440.1

Not much difference here. But I think we can (hopefully) elucidate that this similar appearance is a transient effect of the un-/partially vaccinated being mopped up by the virus and the health system. I would wager the majority of the current hospitalisations are the unvaccinated or those with immune system conditions that have fucked them over in responding to the vaccine. My suspicion is that hospitalisation rate will start to flatten out eventually as we continue the ROLLOUT.

Death numbers on a seven day average over the same two time periods...

13/8/2020 - 8.9
30/9/2020 - 58.3

15/5/2021 - 7.1
3/7/2021 - 16.9

Now we can see the big difference. Over the first, pre-vaccine rollout, period the seven day death rate grew by a factor of around 6.5 but in the second period it has grown by 2.4. That's the pure effect of the vaccine and is stopping people from dying. As the percentage of the population having had two doses increases we should continue to see the average rate of deaths stagnate and drop again.

[Don]

Missus' flatmate has tested positive. Both are single-jabbed. Now I've got the bitch 'self-isolating' with me for the next 10 days. Fuck off, love.

[Magic]

The hospital told me I'll test negative but I've definitely had it last week. They can fuck off.

[Kikó]

It's just the flu.

[Magic]

No it's pneumonia.