Coronavirus Death Thread

[Yevrah]

Agree with all that Kiko, but if our government has any sense we'll close borders immediately the next time someone sneezes in Wuhan. This approach is the lesser of two evils, but it's still awful. Like choosing between Max Clifford or Nando's.

And I make you right Jim, no way are we back in pre-Christmas tier 2/3 life within 4 weeks.

[Dquincy]

It's bollocks. You can't insulate the vulnerable from the non vulnerable. You can't have partial safety with covid in the community. You can't have normal work force if you have covid in the community. A healthy, covid free population means you can have a return to normal like the many countries that are back to normality.
All good points.

The whole balancing of the economy against covid deaths and NHS welfare is a difficult one with no clear line.

[Kikó]

There's a clear line really. Restrict movement, implement masks and test and trace, close major travel ports for tourists(or quarantine them) and let the virus die out. The half measure means the economy continues to suffer while you still have the virus which amplifies in the winter months.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Just give it until the end of February and end of the winter period before rolling into tiered approaches. With the warming weather and vaccine roll out the cases will fall and become controlled.

There are enough headbangers who want us out of lockdown now and enough other headbangers who want ZERO COVID that it will be a lot harder to judge than that, I think.

[Yevrah]

There's a clear line really. Restrict movement, implement masks and test and trace, close major travel ports for tourists(or quarantine them) and let the virus die out. The half measure means the economy continues to suffer while you still have the virus which amplifies in the winter months.

Surely we're stuck with the virus for a fair while now as you're not going to sync up the global vaccination effort to eradicate it that quickly.

[Kikó]

I think your assessment is right though, cases are falling. Winter will pass and pressures will ease over the coming month. We're actually doing very well at the vaccine so we should be positive.

[Lewis]

Get everyone over sixty vaccinated, no more immigration for a hundred years, and throw everything open for 17 March which can become a sort of anti-Chinese version of Bonfire Night.

[Kikó]

Surely we're stuck with the virus for a fair while now as you're not going to sync up the global vaccination effort to eradicate it that quickly.

Yep. I'm reading the Covid 19 great reset book and it says that scientists all expect it to be part of our decision making for 18-24 months. It'll probably end up being like the flu.

[Dquincy]

There's a clear line really. Restrict movement, implement masks and test and trace, close major travel ports for tourists(or quarantine them) and let the virus die out. The half measure means the economy continues to suffer while you still have the virus which amplifies in the winter months.
That's all well and good, but by that time there will be many SME's who have gone under as a result. That's a lot of livelihoods affected as a result. And before anyone says it, but yes on the other hand covid deaths and the NHS...

My point being, it's impossible to prioritise one over the other.

[Raoul Duke]

Yesterday the UK vaccinated 10x the number the Dutch have done since they started, according to Bloomberg. Oh and the entire government just resigned :eyemouth:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Yesterday the UK vaccinated 10x the number the Dutch have done since they started, according to Bloomberg. Oh and the entire government just resigned :eyemouth:

It was only you holding us back.

[Dquincy]

Always a source of entertainment.

Brazilian president claims he 'cannot do anything' about the coronavirus situation in his country

Jair Bolsonaro, Brazil's president, said that he "cannot do anything" about COVID-19 in his country.

It is among the lines dropping from reporters in the country.

He also said that he "should be on the beach", which is reflective of his attitude to COVID-19.

On reports that the Amazonian city of Manaus is struggling to cope, he told reporters that hospitals there are "always full", and claimed that nobody else could handle the pandemic better than his government.

Mr Bolsonaro has frequently played down the severity of the outbreak, even attending anti-mask rallies - despite contracting the disease.

[Luke Emia]

I think today has given me the clearest sign of the issues that are faced within the community though. I work in a small office of four people today one of other people in the offices wives has been pinged to say that she has to isolate as one of her contacts has developed Covid. But even though he lives in the same house as her unless she develops symptoms he doesn’t have to isolate.

So as she can’t get a test(as she has no symptoms) she could then be asymptomatic he could continue going about his daily life but could become infectious but because she hasn’t been tested positive it’s ok. From our viewpoint he’s not coming to the office but it just seems staggering to me he isn’t required to self isolate.

[Queenslander]

Masks in the pub is the most weird experience in recent memory.

[Spikey M]

I think today has given me the clearest sign of the issues that are faced within the community though. I work in a small office of four people today one of other people in the offices wives has been pinged to say that she has to isolate as one of her contacts has developed Covid. But even though he lives in the same house as her unless she develops symptoms he doesn’t have to isolate.

So as she can’t get a test(as she has no symptoms) she could then be asymptomatic he could continue going about his daily life but could become infectious but because she hasn’t been tested positive it’s ok. From our viewpoint he’s not coming to the office but it just seems staggering to me he isn’t required to self isolate.

The alternative would quickly Kevin Bacon the whole country into isolation unfortunately.

[Baz]

At least.:nod:

[Spikey M]

I'm now fairly confident the UK cases peak was on 4 January or thereabouts. That would project a (national) hospitalisations peak of between now and a week's time, and deaths peak of between 1 and 2 weeks' time.

Now we just have to keep vaccinating, keep locked down for a bit, and keep the borders shut so that no other dodgy variants get in.

Coming out of lockdown is harder to predict but I think you can peg it to whenever daily deaths are in low double figures (sub 40, maybe) and it's been established that cases haven't picked up again post-vaccine rollout. I would guess mid-March we might start to see some movement. The Tory headbangers will be wanting it ended much earlier than that, which is a bit of a problem because they are fanatics and will draw out the other fanatics (people who love lockdown and don't want it to end) to scream at them, which will be another frustrating month or so of discourse.

Jimmy, I am meant to be going to Croatia at the end of May / start of June. Please can you accelerate your timeline?

If you could also sort out the EU's vaccine efforts by repurposing your works distribution service that would be greatly appreciated.

(I am aware there is a 3% chance of holidays happening by May).

[Shindig]

And chance of me leaving the country in March has gone south. Unless I jab up and the yanks let me in. And my destination doesn't issue a stay at home order.

[Spikey M]

May is highly unlikely, March is just not happening.

I reckon July.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It might be allowed (depending on what Croatia/the EU are doing by then) - the government will be under desperate pressure from airlines etc to re-open travel.

I don't think it would be a great idea though. Our second wave last year came from a load of holidaymakers bringing a variant back from Spain.

I have a Portugal trip (originally from March 2020) in October and I'm not convinced about that happening.

[Spikey M]

It's a massively bad idea that I would be completely against were it not for my own selfish desires.

[niko_cee]

Whilst this is nothing new, it always makes me laugh when people bleat on about what a bang up job the antipodeans are doing with covid. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-55683035)

I'm sure the last time one of these stories came across the BBC main page it was way worse, about some poor bugger who had been on a work trip to the UK in February, basically become destitute as a result of not being allowed to return home (or work in the UK) and then been lolled out of Australia House and told to go and see the relevant local council about homelessness provision. Fair dinkum mate.

[John Arne]

Look at all of these exemptions for the UK negative Covid test before entry :D Talk about half-arsed.

"People who represent organisations which are participating in the fourth National Lottery Licence competition."

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[Lewis]

https://www.state.gov/fact-sheet-activity-at-the-wuhan-institute-of-virology/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs

Clubs, open. Chinese takeaways, driven into the sea.

[Spikey M]

I'll take every pandemic they want to import before I let you take my crispy duck away.

[-james-]

There's a flat viewing on my street this morning and I count thirty three people standing about outside it. :cab:

[Manc]

Throw a molotov out the window.

[Shindig]

It might be allowed (depending on what Croatia/the EU are doing by then) - the government will be under desperate pressure from airlines etc to re-open travel.

I don't think it would be a great idea though. Our second wave last year came from a load of holidaymakers bringing a variant back from Spain.

I have a Portugal trip (originally from March 2020) in October and I'm not convinced about that happening.

Yeah, plus it comes with the possibility of you landing somewhere, getting ill and then having a holiday in quarantine (or requiring hospital treatment). Or a NEW VARIANT coming along that strands you at an airport. I'm glad BA gave me the straight refund, all things considered. Fuck rescheduling it 5 months at a time.

[Spikey M]

This holiday is the one we moved on from last June. If we can't go this time we'll just take the refund. Too much fucking around.

[Kikó]

Whilst this is nothing new, it always makes me laugh when people bleat on about what a bang up job the antipodeans are doing with covid. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-55683035)

I'm sure the last time one of these stories came across the BBC main page it was way worse, about some poor bugger who had been on a work trip to the UK in February, basically become destitute as a result of not being allowed to return home (or work in the UK) and then been lolled out of Australia House and told to go and see the relevant local council about homelessness provision. Fair dinkum mate.

One of my cousin's was in the same situation. A family member died in the UK, he went to the funeral and then was stuck here for months due to the closed door policy.

Two sets of friends have rearranged their weddings to this June in Italy and I'm not really sure it'll be likely at this point.

[Boydy]

My mate wants to go to Chicago in September for his 30th and I'm not very confident about that.

[Magic]

You're not confident of your next breath.

[Offshore Toon]

The only holiday that's being seriously planned at the moment is to the Lake District. Surely that can't go tits-up? I'll happily take someone out to get a festival squeezed in, but it seems a distant dream right now.

[Shindig]

I still hold out for something abroad in September but March will probably be me pottering about the North-East. Except Teesside.

[Raoul Duke]

I have tickets for Euro "2020", which I'm not even sure which continent it'll be played on at the moment

[Jimmy Floyd]

Today's case data is really encouraging again.

I have to say, ever since I got wrapped up in all the stats around this, I've come to the conclusion that there is literally only one thing that makes a big difference in either direction, and that is schools closing. If you have schools open it basically doesn't matter what else you do, it's all dancing around the edges of the problem. I'm seeing lefty cases on twitter today make pronouncements about garden centres still being open as if this is Boris Johnson gunning down a high street. Garden centres! If schools are closed you could have state funded eco-orgies in garden centres and the cases would still go down.

The government must know this very well but have obviously never said it, hence all the hints that have been made from day one about 'having to sacrifice' other things to keep schools open.

[Giggles]

My Mrs has to go back to work as the autistic/disadvantaged kids are being brought back early. In other words, there’s not enough money being spent while kids are at home.

[Shindig]

It makes sense. The schools being shut keeps more people at home. They're not doing the school run and the kids aren't going out and doing kid stuff with other kids. There's nearly 12 million kids in this country and limiting their movements, rather than cattling them into buildings with classrooms of 30+ has to have a big effect.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Next question: why are all the lefty mob so incandescent with rage about Laurence Fox? The stupid cunt has no publicity other than that which he gives himself on his own twitter account, which can safely be ignored, but instead they spend all weekend amplifying it.

[Lewis]

You could put plenty of names in that sentence.

[Ian]

Next question: why are all the lefty mob so incandescent with rage about Laurence Fox? The stupid cunt has no publicity other than that which he gives himself on his own twitter account, which can safely be ignored, but instead they spend all weekend amplifying it.

Because the internet is full of bored mongs who just like to pile onto whoever the easiest, most obvious target is for whatever it is they want to vent about.

I'm sure that, despite the way you post about these things, you don't actually think this behaviour is specific to the left.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's not specific to the left but it is specific to the smug (there is some overlap, especially on Twitter).

[Lewis]

The difference just reflects the general Twitter dynamics. If one of the professional leftists say something stupid they get a hundred people calling them a faggot and some minor Telegraph columnist lolling at them. The other side has a giant ecosystem of needy losers tagging Owen Jones in the replies, forty year olds who say things like 'Fuck all the way off', and saddos extrapolating their statements into an imminent threat to minorities.

[Kikó]

Replace Owen Jones with James Felton* and it's probably right. Fox is really pretty pathetic but only exists because Twitter keeps biting on his obvious nonsense.

*His book on the Sun was actually very funny. What an awful newspaper.

[Spikey M]

It's all nonsense. The right is hell bent on 'protecting' a society that hasn't existed since Winston Churchill was at school and the left is busy trying to delete every label that's ever existed so they can replace each of them with 12 new ones.

[Ian]

*His book on the Sun was actually very funny. What an awful newspaper.

I'm reading that just now. His previous one was good too.

[Lewis]

He's an embarrassment that lad. Absolutely everything wrong with Twitter and his industry more generally.

[Waffdon]

He’s under every tweet I’ve ever looked at politically. Deletes the tweets that don’t get enough interaction for his collection book

[Boydy]

Isn't he more "centrist" territory than left?

[Boydy]

Just checked, yeah, he's the guy behind "52 times Britian was a bellend". That's proper twee fbpe shite. The left don't fucking want him.

[Spikey M]

Wifes Grandad (89 & receiving palliative care), Nan (90 something) and uncle (70) all received positive tests today. Only carers have been going in and out since before Christmas. Fuck sake.

[Yevrah]

Wifes Grandad (89 & receiving palliative care), Nan (90 something) and uncle (70) all received positive tests today. Only carers have been going in and out since before Christmas. Fuck sake.

I'm starting to wonder what proportion of cases are directly attributable to hospitals and care homes. Are there any numbers on it anywhere?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Do they live in flats? I've heard things about the virus being good at getting around shared air con systems (although that might be bullshit, who knows).

[Jimmy Floyd]

Just checked, yeah, he's the guy behind "52 times Britian was a bellend". That's proper twee fbpe shite. The left don't fucking want him.

I'm classing the left as anyone who makes smug posts on twitter (like a David Schneider style feed) so a lot of them are probably what you would class as centrists. For me, though, a proper centrist would be drawing from both sides on most issues, rather than just manoeuvering themselves into whatever stance they think will make them palatable when North London dinner parties start back up again.

[Spikey M]

I'm starting to wonder what proportion of cases are directly attributable to hospitals and care homes. Are there any numbers on it anywhere?


Do they live in flats? I've heard things about the virus being good at getting around shared air con systems (although that might be bullshit, who knows).

They live in a house with their 70 year old son as their day to day carer and Community Carers coming in daily for my wifes Grandad.

The 70 year old is the hardest hit at the moment. Wifes Grandad asymptomatic at the moment. If he does develop symptoms I can't see any way he survives.

[Yevrah]

My Gran's still asymptomatic (about 5 days in now) so hang in there Spikey.

[Kikó]

My nonna has now been Bill Gated. First Pfizer jab today.

[Lewis]

I'm classing the left as anyone who makes smug posts on twitter (like a David Schneider style feed) so a lot of them are probably what you would class as centrists. For me, though, a proper centrist would be drawing from both sides on most issues, rather than just manoeuvering themselves into whatever stance they think will make them palatable when North London dinner parties start back up again.

He will be a 'centrist' in real life insofar as he doesn't believe in anything and has a testosterone deficiency, but his gimmick depends on not having any run-ins with the popular crowd[s], and most of them are clustered around left-wing things, so they get him by default.

[Spikey M]

My Gran's still asymptomatic (about 5 days in now) so hang in there Spikey.

Didn't know your Nan had it too. Must have missed it. Did she have a test just in case or does she live with someone who has symptoms? Fingers crossed.

Wife's Nan does have symptoms but not as bad as my wife's uncle at the moment. They've been ill since Tuesday so really need some improvement ASAP.

[Boydy]

I'm classing the left as anyone who makes smug posts on twitter (like a David Schneider style feed) so a lot of them are probably what you would class as centrists. For me, though, a proper centrist would be drawing from both sides on most issues, rather than just manoeuvering themselves into whatever stance they think will make them palatable when North London dinner parties start back up again.

How about 'New Labour types'? We can both agree to hate that.

[Lewis]

The three people my nan and grandad know/know of who have died of it caught it either from their carers or relatives who are care workers. I wrote them all letters thanking them for protecting the NHS.

[Yevrah]

Didn't know your Nan had it too. Must have missed it. Did she have a test just in case or does she live with someone who has symptoms? Fingers crossed.

Wife's Nan does have symptoms but not as bad as my wife's uncle at the moment. They've been ill since Tuesday so really need some improvement ASAP.

She was absolute fine and then slipped over in the garden one day > hospital > surgery > 24/7 care needed > into a care home > caught covid.

Which is why I'm now wondering how many deaths are attributable to hospitals and care homes. If it's a large amount then all this we've done over the last year would be so much less worth it.

I'm not supposed to see my gran and I haven't, but ironically she'd have been safer with me than under actual care. It's fucking mental.

[Yevrah]

The three people my nan and grandad know/know of who have died of it caught it either from their carers or relatives who are care workers. I wrote them all letters thanking them for protecting the NHS.

This is it, isn't it. It dawned on me the other day (after thinking about my gran) that the only people I've heard of die from this fucking thing either caught it in a care home or a hospital.

[Yevrah]

Right, this is to June, by which time we'd had just under 38,000 deaths.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/deathsinvolvingcovid19inthecaresectorenglandandwal es/deathsoccurringupto12june2020andregisteredupto20ju ne2020provisional


Since the beginning of the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic (between the period 2 March to 12 June 2020, registered up to 20 June 2020), there were 66,112 deaths of care home residents (wherever the death occurred); of these, 19,394 involved COVID-19, which is 29.3% of all deaths of care home residents.

Over 50% of the deaths to June were in care homes. You are fucking shitting me.

[Lewis]

Then again, my other grandad's demented wife has them in an out all day and neither of them have had it. It was flushing it all out into them early doors to help the hospitals.

[Yevrah]

It was flushing it all out into them early doors to help the hospitals.

I thought so too originally, but deaths there are clearly still happening so I'd love to see the up to date numbers.

[Pepe]

Over 50% of the deaths to June were in care homes. You are fucking shitting me.

I thought everyone was very clear on that since the beginning.

[Yevrah]

And why aren't the BBC on this Norway issue? It's a rhetorical question, but playing right into the anti-vaxxers hands by burying it.

[Yevrah]

I thought everyone was very clear on that since the beginning.

Didn't realise it was that high and I want to know what it is now as it's clearly still happening.

[Pepe]

This is from the US, but still:


As deaths spiraled — adding to the nation’s long-term care death total of roughly 133,000 residents and staff, which represents 37 percent of all deaths from COVID-19 in the U.S.

https://www.aarp.org/caregiving/health/info-2021/nursing-homes-covid-death-record-december.html

In Minnesota:


Nearly 94 percent of the state’s coronavirus deaths have been people over the age of 60 and about 64 percent were residents of long-term care.

https://www.twincities.com/2021/01/16/minnesota-deaths-were-up-15-percent-in-2020-not-all-were-caused-by-covid-19/

[Spikey M]

Right, this is to June, by which time we'd had just under 38,000 deaths.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/articles/deathsinvolvingcovid19inthecaresectorenglandandwal es/deathsoccurringupto12june2020andregisteredupto20ju ne2020provisional



Over 50% of the deaths to June were in care homes. You are fucking shitting me.

It stands to reason that NHS staff are rife with it and spreading it like wildfire. It's the nature of their role. With the care homes, it's just been rattling through them since BoJo decided it was a good idea to empty all the old people out of the hospitals and in to them back in March(?) without testing them. The carers coming and going can't help, but the well was well and truly poisoned early doors.

[Lewis]

I thought so too originally, but deaths there are clearly still happening so I'd love to see the up to date numbers.

I think the New Variant just confounds most attempts to stifle it.

[Shindig]

Unless the carers reside in the homes as well, it's inevitably going to make its way through the doors. And the people those carers will spend the most time with will be the ones most at risk.

[Boydy]

And why aren't the BBC on this Norway issue? It's a rhetorical question, but playing right into the anti-vaxxers hands by burying it.

What's the Norway issue?

[Spikey M]

What's the Norway issue?

Bill Gates is about to kill Kiko's nan.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2021-01-16/norway-vaccine-fatalities-among-people-75-and-older-rise-to-29

[Yevrah]

All valid points gents, it just seems utterly perverse to me that we're making all of these sacrifices and that number of people are still dying solely because they're in 'care'.

[Yevrah]

Bill Gates is about to kill Kiko's nan.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2021-01-16/norway-vaccine-fatalities-among-people-75-and-older-rise-to-29

Honestly, it's a scandal that this isn't on the BBC.

[Spikey M]

It seems like a bit of a reach to assume it's the vaccine. Old people do have a habit of dying unfortunately, but it should be being covered and it is an open goal for the anti-vaxxers.

[Vercetti]

Magic has probably wanked himself into a coma.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Loads of countries are vaccinating, so if there are only deaths in Norway then either it's a pretty good cover up job by all the other countries, or it's a category error / something else.

I can well see why state media wouldn't report it - there should be no oxygen given to anything that might discourage people from having the vaccines. Not reporting it and riling up a few online cranks is a price well worth paying for that.

[Shindig]

Up to a fifth of staff in some care home groups have refused a coronavirus vaccine when offered, the PA news agency has been told, with suggestions younger workers are more likely to be resistant. The majority of care home staff who have been offered the jab are getting vaccinated, but data obtained by PA from a number of providers shows between 5% and 21% of staff offered a vaccine have declined it.

I'd like a more accurate number than that.

[randomlegend]

It seems like a bit of a reach to assume it's the vaccine. Old people do have a habit of dying unfortunately, but it should be being covered and it is an open goal for the anti-vaxxers.

This, and it also sounds like the people who they are talking about were literally at death's door (in which case they would definitely die if they got covid).

[Spikey M]

I'd like a more accurate number than that.

They should be sacked. They wouldn't let a surgeon refuse to wear gloves or a pilot refuse to take a drugs test.

[Spikey M]

The wife's nan collapsed earlier and an ambulance has had to go out. She has falls sometimes so not sure if Covid related but ffs.

[Andy]

They should be sacked. They wouldn't let a surgeon refuse to wear gloves or a pilot refuse to take a drugs test.

100% agree.

I know of two people who are shielding and getting furlough pay who are adamant they are going to refuse the vaccine and obviously hope to carry on getting the money from the government. I can see it becoming a bit of a scandal as the year goes on.

[Foe]

Are care workers and nurses required to get the flu jab?

I personally think it’ll be unenforceable to mandate vaccination regardless of profession. If a person is concerned about pumping a dose of an unknown “poison” into their body, I think they’re within their right to refuse. If they’re penalised for doing so that’s discrimination.

[Shindig]

It's not compulsory but I can't imagine many refuse it.

[Boydy]

100% agree.

I know of two people who are shielding and getting furlough pay who are adamant they are going to refuse the vaccine and obviously hope to carry on getting the money from the government. I can see it becoming a bit of a scandal as the year goes on.

What are their plans for when the furlough scheme ends?

[Foe]

I can get the flu jab at my work and I’ve never bothered. Imagine there’s a few swathe of the population that are similar.

[Spoonsky]

Are care workers and nurses required to get the flu jab?

I personally think it’ll be unenforceable to mandate vaccination regardless of profession. If a person is concerned about pumping a dose of an unknown “poison” into their body, I think they’re within their right to refuse. If they’re penalised for doing so that’s discrimination.

You could say it's discrimination or that it's just part of the job, and if they feel so strongly about it they can find a different job.

A friend of mine who's an EMT was telling us a while ago that a lot of care homes are staffed by caretakers who couldn't find jobs anywhere else because they're so useless. They sound like just abysmal places some of them.

[Spikey M]

Are care workers and nurses required to get the flu jab?

I personally think it’ll be unenforceable to mandate vaccination regardless of profession. If a person is concerned about pumping a dose of an unknown “poison” into their body, I think they’re within their right to refuse. If they’re penalised for doing so that’s discrimination.

When their refusal could dirctly lead to the death of the people they are employed to look after then discrimination is the right thing to do. We discriminate against people based on their profession all the time. A copper can't buy beer on the way home from work. I can.

[niko_cee]

Wait what? Is that some sort of uniform thing?

[Spikey M]

Yeah. Learnt it whilst I was at Tesco. You're not allowed to sell it to them.

[Don]

Aren't caring homes rammed full of dirty ethnics? That would explain the hesitancy.

[Lewis]

Unless it was a very, very expensive one I would rather be dead than in a care home.

[Foe]

You could say it's discrimination or that it's just part of the job, and if they feel so strongly about it they can find a different job.

A friend of mine who's an EMT was telling us a while ago that a lot of care homes are staffed by caretakers who couldn't find jobs anywhere else because they're so useless. They sound like just abysmal places some of them.

Try and implement it and I all but guarantee there will be a lawsuit.

You must inject this poison into your body to protect you (and others) against a disease they may never catch.

I totally agree it should be fully recommended but I don’t think it can be mandatory. If my company tried to implement that sort of strategy I’d be pretty pissed.

[Alex]

Unless it was a very, very expensive one I would rather be dead than in a care home.

"It's a retirement community!"

[Shindig]

I'll be honest, the one my parents picked is decent. And four times more expensive than their council bungalow. My Granddad wound up in a tiny studio thing not much different to a hotel room.

[Spoonsky]

Try and implement it and I all but guarantee there will be a lawsuit.

You must inject this poison into your body to protect you (and others) against a disease they may never catch.

I totally agree it should be fully recommended but I don’t think it can be mandatory. If my company tried to implement that sort of strategy I’d be pretty pissed.

Yeah, because you're not working in health care. :cab:

Everyone's lives have been fully upended for 10 months to avoid people dying of Covid, but forcing nurses to get the vaccine is suddenly a line too far.

[Foe]

Forcing anyone to get it is a line too far in my opinion. Regardless of profession.

[niko_cee]

1. Poison?

2. What do you mean I have to have qualifications to be a surgeon? That's discrimination!

3. Just make it part of license to practice of whatever, if such a system exists.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Forcing anyone to get it is a line too far in my opinion. Regardless of profession.

Would you be happy if your Nan was in a care home and the majority of her carers didn't get the vaccine?

[Spikey M]

Try and implement it and I all but guarantee there will be a lawsuit.

You must inject this poison into your body to protect you (and others) against a disease they may never catch.

I totally agree it should be fully recommended but I don’t think it can be mandatory. If my company tried to implement that sort of strategy I’d be pretty pissed.

That's not what it is though. It's "you must be vaccinated against illnesses that pose a threat to our residents". If you don't want to take the vaccine, then don't. Find a new job. Imagine if Dr Legend was an anti-masker, rocking up at work refusing to wear one and spewing a load of made up bollocks about being deprived of oxygen and his liberty. He'd get lolled out the door and rightly so.

Jobs have requirements. I imagine you are required to wear a hard hat etc. on a rig? What would happen if you refused?

[Spoonsky]

Forcing anyone to get it is a line too far in my opinion. Regardless of profession.

Nothing's being forced on anyone, they can just find a different job.

[niko_cee]

You're not forcing anyone to do anything anyway, you're just saying they can't do a certain job if they don't meet a certain criteria. Like eyesight for pilots or whatever. There are obvious problems with a dictatorial approach, ie lack of staff generally, but I'm not sue there's anything particularly wrong in principle with the idea.

[Offshore Toon]

It isn't discrimination if you were offered the opportunity.

[Spoonsky]

This groupthink :drool:

Come at us Foe.

[Spikey M]

Forcing anyone to get it is a line too far in my opinion. Regardless of profession.

It isn't "you must be vaccinated". It's "You must be vaccinated to work as a carer".

[Giggles]

The world is such a shithole now though that Foe is correct on what the reality will be.

[Spikey M]

Well, if there's carers refusing and they're still in the job it would appear so. Bin that mask Dr Legend. Stretch those lungs. Open the clubs.

[Foe]

Would you be happy if your Nan was in a care home and the majority of her carers didn't get the vaccine?

She is actually, and id prefer they did. But ultimately would understand if they chose not to.

Wearing a hard hat, something external that is removable and has no adverse effects or risk is a very different thing.

What if the career has an adverse reaction to the vaccine and becomes ill or passes away? What do we currently know about side effects and long term effects? What if they are part of the group for which it is not recommended? Are you now saying the job they’ve been doing for however many years they cannot do any longer and must resign or be fired?

I’d be very surprised if their contracts state they must be immunised from disease X (decided on an on going basis by who?).

There’s a desired expectation and legally mandatory. The two are very different and I hope that line is not crossed for any profession.

[randomlegend]

I would have to check with occupational health to be 100% sure of the legal situation, but I was mandated to get the hep b and TB vaccinations to be allowed to work in the hospital (and that was as a student so I didn't even have any employment contract).

[Dquincy]

Today's figures:
671 Covid Deaths
38598 Covid Cases

Vs

Last Sunday's figures:
563 Covid Deaths
54940 Covid Cases

Certainly heading in the right direction.

[Spikey M]

That is a big improvement.

[Dquincy]

In other news, my friend's father - in his 60's - died recently after catching covid. He went into hospital and never came out.

He actually managed to shift the covid illness, but it left his lungs in such a state that he was unable to remove the carbon dioxide from his body and eventually died.

His wife caught it as well, but had the mildest of symptoms. Go figure.

[randomlegend]

She is actually, and id prefer they did. But ultimately would understand if they chose not to.

Wearing a hard hat, something external that is removable and has no adverse effects or risk is a very different thing.

What if the career has an adverse reaction to the vaccine and becomes ill or passes away? What do we currently know about side effects and long term effects? What if they are part of the group for which it is not recommended? Are you now saying the job they’ve been doing for however many years they cannot do any longer and must resign or be fired?

I’d be very surprised if their contracts state they must be immunised from disease X (decided on an on going basis by who?).

There’s a desired expectation and legally mandatory. The two are very different and I hope that line is not crossed for any profession.

It's legally mandatory for certain professions to be treated for conditions like epilepsy. How's that different? Or you good with taking your chances with your bus driver having a seizure?

[Kikó]

What a shitter.

[Dquincy]

This is it, isn't it. It dawned on me the other day (after thinking about my gran) that the only people I've heard of die from this fucking thing either caught it in a care home or a hospital.

I'm surprised you're surprised by this. Those places are where the low hanging fruit is. It stands to reason that's where the most damage will be done.

[Raoul Duke]

A quick Google on mandatory vaccines suggests it can be a requirement to work/continue working somewhere it is classed as a "reasonable requirement". So care homes and the like. I imagine there'll be some legal kerfuffle around where that line is for general professions and they'll have to rule on it.

[Dquincy]

That is a big improvement.

Lowest number of new daily covid cases this year. Further good news.

[Shindig]

That's with the testing going up as well.

[Don]

Facebook group reporting people recovering their sense of smell and taste recently after a similiar infection time of Jan-March. I'm going into the summer of love able to taste every drop of gashjuice :drool:

[7om]

Foe calling it poison :drool:

Tell us more about the MMR as well please.

[Shindig]

If you've got reasonable doubts about how this new vaccine will affect you, fair enough. The ones knocking it back might have weird allergies or pregnant. Statistically, the vaccine won't knack you.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Says someone who has never ingested POISON.

[Shindig]

I've survived my dad's cooking.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

While we're talking about jabs, does anyone's BCG scar occasionally flare up all raised from their arm?

It's been a while since I last remember it happening but it does happen now and again, think it gets a bit itchy too IIRC.

Always found it odd but never actually asked anyone else.

[Manc]

Imagine not calling it TB.

[Spikey M]

Never happened to me.

[Kikó]

Ah fuck, my uncle just died from it this morning. He wasn't a close uncle but my dad is gutted. They did some good stuff while alive:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/supermum-to-300-kids-985065

[Spikey M]

Sorry to hear it Keeks. This wave seems so much closer to home for us lot.

[Spikey M]

After waiting 6 hours for an ambulance, and one of my wife's auties having to go in and guarantee herself a dose of Covid, my wife's 90 year old nan is in hospital.

[Smjffy]

Condolences, Kiko. Grandfather went in two weeks ago and didn't come out. It's a shit to lose someone at the best of times but just makes me so sad to know that no one was with him and the worse part is the limitations placed on the funeral.

It's hard to put into words especially when you see some of the idiots still being too reckless. I remember when no one seemed to no anyone who'd had it, now it seems like everyone knows someone who's had it and passed away as a result. It's heartbreaking.

[Don]

Can we calm down with the personal stories, it makes me and Magic's work more difficult. Show a little compassion ffs.

[Kikó]

Sorry to hear Smiff. Hope you're ok.

It was incredibly sudden judging by my cousin's timeline. Her mum/my aunt got it two days before and also seems in a bad way.

[Magic]

Can we calm down with the personal stories, it makes me and Magic's work more difficult. Show a little compassion ffs.

I know, totally undermines our cause. We should agree an acceptable time frame for wheeling out the underlying health condish and age questions though.

[Ian]

People talking about their relatives dying or being hospitalised is definitely the time for having a banter.

[Spikey M]

How is your daughters new dad finding her homeschooling Magic?

[Giggles]

People talking about their relatives dying or being hospitalised is definitely the time for having a banter.

And yet still not as offensive as double standard keeks acting like he cares about the cousin or anyone.

[Ian]

I feel like you've got the Kiko thing covered by responding to every post he makes or is made mentioning him.

[Giggles]

I feel like you've got the Kiko thing covered by responding to every post he makes or is made mentioning him.

I don’t think I have at all, he’s got more of a bite elsewhere than from me and he’s been desperately trying to get one on a few occasions.

[Magic]

How is your daughters new dad finding her homeschooling Magic?

She's at the hub. :cool:

[Magic]

And yet still not as offensive as double standard keeks acting like he cares about the cousin or anyone.

:D

[Kikó]

And yet still not as offensive as double standard keeks acting like he cares about the cousin or anyone.

This is pretty low even for you.

[Giggles]

This is pretty low even for you.

No it isn't. Low is breaking restrictions because you think they're only for the people that are below you and then sneering about it like it's something to laugh at ever since. Every person doing that is contributing to excess deaths during this.

[Kikó]

Okay so I'm to blame for my uncle's death. Thanks.

You're really a despicable human being.

[Giggles]

Okay so I'm to blame for my uncle's death. Thanks.

You're really a despicable human being.

No, of course you're not directly to blame but you still won't take ownership for thinking you're above the restrictions people have had to follow. You could easily have caused the death of someone elses uncle/aunt/brother/sister/father/etc because that's how all this works. People carrying it around and passing it on when they have no need to. But then again you "didn't think you had it", grand.

A long look in the mirror needed when you're throwing out the insults. Though sadly, I don't think you're the type who'll ever see yourself as wrong or on the same level as the mongs you think should be toeing the line.

[Magic]

Don divide and conquer. :drool:

[Kikó]

Okay I think it's time you go on the blocked list.

I don't need to read your projections on things I've never said or held expectations of. Enjoy your life you horrible human being.

[Giggles]

Okay I think it's time you go on the blocked list.

I don't need to read your projections on things I've never said or held expectations of. Enjoy your life you horrible human being.

You can throw out all the insults that you like, it still won't make you any less wrong.

I sympathise about your relative, the same as I sympathise about any person that has died from this (rather than a few lols and :drool:s from the likes of the usuals here every time cases rise somewhere), but I've been following the restrictions asked of me too though. Self perceived status doesn't make you not spread it.

[Don]

People talking about their relatives dying or being hospitalised is definitely the time for having a banter.

I was gonna 'got a badass over here' this post but I thought to let it slide but I hope you're pleased with what you've created with your disservice to irreverence.


Don divide and conquer. :drool:

Blue Monday today and it's blue-er than a Simon Webbe and Eiffel 65 collab.

[Ian]

Well thank goodness you've spared me that devastating putdown.

[Magic]

Well thank goodness you've spared me that devastating putdown.

Everyone can sense your wry smile as you typed this.

[Ian]

No that's just me still enjoying the "somebody's grandfather's passed away" lols.

[Magic]

Of course nobody is lolling at that.

[Spikey M]

What is it that you think you are doing then?

[Don]

Guys, just settle down, you're all operating on low vibrations due to the climate of fear and negativity. Look inside and seek the light.

4 weeks down here. Only another 6-10 weeks to go.

[Lewis]

Keep the pressure up Giggles lad. Picket the funeral.

[Giggles]

It's not about the uncle, it's about the relatives of everyone he came into contact with while he was lolling around in the face of restrictions. And the relatives of who they came into contact with afterwards, and onwards.

[Lewis]

https://i.imgur.com/Ev6ONSP.png

[Baz]

While I can recognise the double standards of posting about relatives dying from covid, when you’ve also posted about breaking restrictions, this has been an awkward and unnecessary series of posts.

KUTGW :thbgrin:

[Giggles]

People breaking the rules are bastards.

It's the likes of posts like this show he's been begging for a reaction ever since he was bragging about it here at the time.

[Boydy]

https://i.imgur.com/Ev6ONSP.png

:D

Lol

[Yevrah]

Where were the bragging posts? I missed it at the time.

[Baz]

Where were the bragging posts? I missed it at the time.Thr “bragging” was tongue in cheek but essentially he asked if he was allowed to travel to Scotland and was told not legally. He then didn’t get results for his covid test but got a train from Manchester to Scotland anyway and declared it “super spreading complete” upon arrival, and made a joke about having symptoms.

https://www.thethirdhalf.co.uk/showthread.php?2609-Coronavirus-Death-Thread&p=447001&viewfull=1#post447001

Meanwhile on another part of the internet someone probably travelled from London to wherever his uncle lives, held the door open for him at the newsagent when he went buying fags and is now dead.

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55702003

:lol:

[Ian]

Maybe he's just a massive Tom Hanks fan.

[Kikó]

Thr “bragging” was tongue in cheek but essentially he asked if he was allowed to travel to Scotland and was told not legally. He then didn’t get results for his covid test but got a train from Manchester to Scotland anyway and declared it “super spreading complete” upon arrival, and made a joke about having symptoms.

https://www.thethirdhalf.co.uk/showthread.php?2609-Coronavirus-Death-Thread&p=447001&viewfull=1#post447001

Meanwhile on another part of the internet someone probably travelled from London to wherever his uncle lives, held the door open for him at the newsagent when he went buying fags and is now dead.

I don't think that I was bragging at any point. I'm sorry that I shared a personal story and won't in future as it's taken as bragging. I did think the site was about talking to each other and having a community not to basically call someone a murderer of his uncle.

I'm just fucking flabbergasted that people can convince themselves my tone is of some superiority complex.

Edit and yes. It was a joke about me having symptoms. God forbid.

[Baz]

I was just answering Yev.

Sorry about your uncle.

[niko_cee]

I think they more do it to wind you up.

It's become 'a thing'.

Giggles has me down as some sort of national front voting little England headcase, you just have to roll with it, occasionally post his name or address to keep him in check etc.

[Giggles]

I don't think that I was bragging at any point. I'm sorry that I shared a personal story and won't in future as it's taken as bragging. I did think the site was about talking to each other and having a community not to basically call someone a murderer of his uncle.

I'm just fucking flabbergasted that people can convince themselves my tone is of some superiority complex.

Edit and yes. It was a joke about me having symptoms. God forbid.

Nobody said anything remotely like you murdered your uncle, so climb down off the cross.

[Kikó]

I think they more do it to wind you up.

It's become 'a thing'.

Giggles has me down as some sort of national front voting little England headcase, you just have to roll with it, occasionally post his name or address to keep him in check etc.

Of course. It doesn't mean it's not tiring when it's so incessant and especially when I'm finding a place to vent over a death.

[Giggles]

I think they more do it to wind you up.

It's become 'a thing'.

Giggles has me down as some sort of national front voting little England headcase, you just have to roll with it, occasionally post his name or address to keep him in check etc.

Headcase would probably be a bit far but you would definitely qualify as a little englander. I'd just own if if I were you rather than getting offended when someone points it out. There's nothing wrong with it, you're English after all.


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[Yevrah]

Yeah, that doesn't look like bragging.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I suppose Guernsey is little England. A very little England.

[niko_cee]

Aye, in the same way that Ireland is a little England, I guess.

[Giggles]

What Kiko is peddling as being said about him is a total fabrication now anyway. It's not far back if anyone wants a look, possibly one page at most.

[niko_cee]

Anyway, seeing as the fair isle has been brought into this:

Suck it up dickheads (https://www.itv.com/news/2021-01-16/the-only-part-of-the-uk-without-covid-restrictions-on-gatherings-and-masks)

Not smug? Yeah, not much. The reporter must have been trying to get that on the national news for months. Shame they found some strange dero bar to focus on.

[Giggles]

Seen this coming, though didn't think it would be quite as soon.


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[niko_cee]

I've heard anecdotal stories of people (people older than 70 it has to be said, although I don't think in the current categories being vaccinated) ringing up St Thomas' in London and being told to come in to have the jab. You don't ask you don't get, I guess.

[Giggles]

If I got the chance at one myself before I was due I'd have it too. I don't think I'm in the know enough with anyone relevant though.

[Spikey M]

You're on the priority list so it could be worth chancing your arm ( :baz: ). If someone hasn't turned up you might get the nod

[Don]

https://www.intelligenttransport.com/transport-news/115110/uber-vaccine-programme-free-rides/

More lizardry at play.


Anyway, seeing as the fair isle has been brought into this:

Suck it up dickheads (https://www.itv.com/news/2021-01-16/the-only-part-of-the-uk-without-covid-restrictions-on-gatherings-and-masks)

Not smug? Yeah, not much. The reporter must have been trying to get that on the national news for months. Shame they found some strange dero bar to focus on.

You kept quiet about these scenes :O

Google informs me Barbados Beach Club is permanently closed these days otherwise I would have been straight over.

[Giggles]

I'm in the 5/14 in the revised groups but that looks like it'll be fucking April or May now.

[Yevrah]

I guy I work with has apparently had one, despite being 50 and in no way at risk.

He happened to be there and got one that would have otherwise gone to waste.

[Spikey M]

It's surprisingly smart that they're doing that. You'd expect them to red tape it in the bin. Although how are they getting around the prescription nonsense? Presumably a doctor on site quickly issues one.

[Giggles]

If they're bothering to take details from randomers for the top-up jab then it's at least worthwhile. If they don't then it may as well be binned.

[Lewis]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9157627/One-six-hospital-patients-caught-Covid-19-treated-illnesses-figures-show.html


More than 25,000 patients have caught coronavirus in hospital since the second wave of the pandemic began in September. One in six Covid-19 patients in NHS hospitals in England were infected while being treated for other conditions, according to internal Health Service figures. So far this month, 5,684 Covid-positive in-patients out of 44,315 – about one in eight – were infected after being admitted for other conditions.

Is that more or less than you would have thought? I don't know.

[Yevrah]

Chuck care homes into that and 'care' is surely comfortably the biggest transmission vector.

Which, while I understand the difficulties faced in avoiding that, is absolutely bonkers.

[Spikey M]

Hard to avoid, but easy to reduce. We have nifty tests that can tell Baz if he's ill in 20 minutes. Are staff being tested before each shift? Because they should be.

[Baz]

Are people reporting sore arms after the jab cos of what’s in the injection or cos they’re letting every Tom dick and Harry administer it? randomlegend

[Baz]

Hard to avoid, but easy to reduce. We have nifty tests that can tell Baz if he's ill in 20 minutes. Are staff being tested before each shift? Because they should be. lateral flow tests are only 60% accurate though, or something like that.

[Spikey M]

lateral flow tests are only 60% accurate though, or something like that.

Better than nothing though, right?

[Yevrah]

Hard to avoid, but easy to reduce. We have nifty tests that can tell Baz if he's ill in 20 minutes. Are staff being tested before each shift? Because they should be.

I spoke to a Nursing Assistant not long ago. They're all routinely tested, wear shit loads of adequate PPE and don't mix wards, yet their patients are still catching it. They don't understand how. My best guess was the air vents.

[Giggles]

Better than nothing though, right?

That would be the thinking if it were as free as nothing.

[Giggles]

I spoke to a Nursing Assistant not long ago. They're all routinely tested, wear shit loads of adequate PPE and don't mix wards, yet their patients are still catching it. They don't understand how. My best guess was the air vents.

That’s under the assumption they’re all doing things right though. It only takes one person to pass it to one person. We’re the weak link in all this.

[Spikey M]

I spoke to a Nursing Assistant not long ago. They're all routinely tested, wear shit loads of adequate PPE and don't mix wards, yet their patients are still catching it. They don't understand how. My best guess was the air vents.

Interesting. Knowing it's airborne surely any vents / air-con etc are closed or switched off?

Oi, RL, How are you fuckers spreading this shit?

[Kikó]

I spoke to a Nursing Assistant not long ago. They're all routinely tested, wear shit loads of adequate PPE and don't mix wards, yet their patients are still catching it. They don't understand how. My best guess was the air vents.

I would say it's just near impossible to keep out. My wife's grandma is in a care home in Portugal and they've had to shut down with an outbreak. The care homes nearby have been ravaged as well with multiple deaths even though they have all the PPE, handwashing, distancing etc. Unfortunately, nurses, carers and doctors have to be in the public as well which I'm sure is where they pick it up.
Baz It is normal to have some reaction to vaccines - nothing to worry about.

[Yevrah]

That may well be the case Keek's, but that also means the actual numbers of cases and deaths that the public can do anything to prevent are considerably lower than we see every day.

[Spikey M]

It depends where the staff are catching it. Are most of them catching it at home and taking it into work? Or are they catching it at work and taking it home to their families? Obviously both, but I would bet on the latter being the case most of the time.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I see the last line of defence is 'What about 2nd doses?' for the ever entertaining Twitter cohorts desperate for the UK to have fucked up the vaccine.

4 million jabbed now.

[Kikó]

The vaccine rollout has been outstanding.

I think this is a good summary of how I feel about the phenomenon JF is describing - https://anthonycox.substack.com/p/is-it-safe-vaccine-politics-signal

[Spikey M]

I am no fan of our government, but you'd have to be a fucking idiot to criticise how we're doing with the vaccine. It's good work.

This (https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/vaccine-queue-uk) reckons I will get my first jab between July and September. That would be an amazing effort.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's such a bizarre attitude - there are so many things to choose from that you could criticise the government for, but no, EVERYTHING with any connection to them must be bad and/or a lie of some kind.

[mo]

Second dose by 23/12 - just in time for massive family Christmas :henn0rz:

[mo]

It's such a bizarre attitude - there are so many things to choose from that you could criticise the government for, but no, EVERYTHING with any connection to them must be bad and/or a lie of some kind.

I think part of the problem is that so many people are ignorant to some of the things that actually cause concern (chumocracy, etc) that detractors to the govt will pile onto absolutely everything with no let up to try and exacerbate the message. It doesn't work though.

'Boris is doing his best!!1'

[Spikey M]

Second dose by 23/12 - just in time for massive family Christmas :henn0rz:

Same as me. I think it's just doing it in 10 year batches.

Which makes me wonder, is that the plan here? Do we just keep moving down the age ranges? Surely once you've tackled the high risk groups you move onto high risk careers? With home workers coming after any remaining "Key Workers".

That stops the spread much quicker, surely?

[Spoonsky]

The vaccine rollout has been outstanding.

I think this is a good summary of how I feel about the phenomenon JF is describing - https://anthonycox.substack.com/p/is-it-safe-vaccine-politics-signal

Out of curiosity, why do you get counted as vaccinated if you've only had one dose? Isn't it true that you need two doses for it really be effective?

[Spikey M]

Out of curiosity, why do you get counted as vaccinated if you've only had one dose? Isn't it true that you need two doses for it really be effective?

Not really. The studies indicate that one dose does most of the work.

[Yevrah]

We've nailed this so far and the other lol element of it all is we absolutely wouldn't have been better off had we been in the EU still, quite the opposite in fact.

[Lewis]

The ideal outcome is beating the European Union by months but losing to the Americans by enough to justify selling them the NHS.

[Giggles]

Beating the EU is what it’s all about in fairness.

[Ian]

More deaths than most of them too, idiot Eurotrash.

[Giggles]

Pity more of them didn’t die, bloody Europeans the cheek of them.

[randomlegend]

Are people reporting sore arms after the jab cos of what’s in the injection or cos they’re letting every Tom dick and Harry administer it? randomlegend

It's because the jab stimulates an immune response (which is what it's designed to do) = inflammation = sore.

[7om]

Out of curiosity, why do you get counted as vaccinated if you've only had one dose? Isn't it true that you need two doses for it really be effective?

The one shot on its own has a high protective rate (>90%, I think). The second dose doesn’t seem to add much to the effectiveness. That’s why the UK switched from giving the second dose at three weeks to 12 weeks. Because giving as many first doses as possible is pretty effective.

[randomlegend]

It's surprisingly smart that they're doing that. You'd expect them to red tape it in the bin. Although how are they getting around the prescription nonsense? Presumably a doctor on site quickly issues one.

It's no different than for anyone else.

People are called to invite them for their vaccine. When they arrive they get an information leaflet to read and a form. The form has the list of questions on it that need to be asked to ensure they are able to have the vaccine. The prescription is on the back and whoever the prescriber is will sign provided the answers to the questions are all ok.

I got my jab at the end of a prescribing shift as there were spares. I had to register with the admin people, they printed my form and then I went through the above process just the same.

:thbup:

[niko_cee]

You kept quiet about these scenes :O

Google informs me Barbados Beach Club is permanently closed these days otherwise I would have been straight over.

Yeah, Barbados was never the best.

There are still dreadful clubs though. I think Folies [Les Folies D'Amour :/] is still going and at least one other.

Both also undoubtedly awful. Unfortunately as the report states the doors have been even more firmly closed in the last week but you could probably get yourself essential worker status if you can blag some sort of e-gaming (as in gambling, not nonce mmorpging) expertise.

[randomlegend]

The one shot on its own has a high protective rate (>90%, I think). The second dose doesn’t seem to add much to the effectiveness. That’s why the UK switched from giving the second dose at three weeks to 12 weeks. Because giving as many first doses as possible is pretty effective.

Yeah one of the consultants told me it's apparently ~91% of people protected by it after a few weeks. Goes up to 95% with second dose.

I'm not sure where these figures are coming from though as there hasn't been a proper trial done on single dose efficacy afaik.

[randomlegend]

Interesting. Knowing it's airborne surely any vents / air-con etc are closed or switched off?

Oi, RL, How are you fuckers spreading this shit?

I still see surgical consultants walking round with their mask under their nose.

Patients are probably a not insignificant part of the problem as well...you'd be amazed the things people do. When I was on my last job a patients' relative came onto the ward when they weren't supposed to be visiting. Whilst waiting to talk to a staff member they went into a different patients' room (this patient was in a sideroom with a closed door and an enteric precautions sign on the door) and used their toilet. They didn't have covid fortunately.

[randomlegend]

I am no fan of our government, but you'd have to be a fucking idiot to criticise how we're doing with the vaccine. It's good work.

This (https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/vaccine-queue-uk) reckons I will get my first jab between July and September. That would be an amazing effort.

I'm convinced the success of the vaccine roll-out is solely down to a previously retired nurse who appears to live in our vaccination centre. The woman is a force of nature.

[phonics]

Are people reporting sore arms after the jab cos of what’s in the injection or cos they’re letting every Tom dick and Harry administer it? randomlegend

Not calling this question out specifically but how many shots has the average UK person had? The only one I remember requiring through school was BCG but I left after Year 7. However I had to have one more on arriving in Switzerland and another couple after I turned 16.

[Jimmy Floyd]

You have a shitload as a small child don't you? Polio, MMR, all those.

[phonics]

You have a shitload as a small child don't you? Polio, MMR, all those.

I was ignoring those ones as you’re obviously not compute mentus. I meant growing up.

I think the ones I had to get in Switzerland (because I hadn’t had them in Uk) were tetanus and HPV or one of the Heps.

As you can imagine current google Seo makes finding vaccine info hard.

[Kikó]

I think you have the three in one and one other when you're younger. Then potentially a hep c (?) and malaria if you travel further afield but that's not if you're going into mainland Europe.

[Shindig]

BCG, the six pricks you get beforehand, Meningitis C?, that one time I bothered with the flu jab. I think that's all for me.

[Yevrah]

The BBC have properly gone with it for their latest main story.

[Giggles]

The BBC have properly gone with it for their latest main story.

Main headline on mine is about that Russian that will die soon. I think we get a different version though.

[Yevrah]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-55708709

Trump-esque production values and all.

[Spikey M]

I was ignoring those ones as you’re obviously not compute mentus. I meant growing up.

I think the ones I had to get in Switzerland (because I hadn’t had them in Uk) were tetanus and HPV or one of the Heps.

As you can imagine current google Seo makes finding vaccine info hard.

I can only remember the TB one (and the 9 needle test thing before it). Other than that it's just been jabs required for trips abroad. I think we had a Hepatitis and Tetanus jab before Cuba. Other than that I think it's all while you're little.

[Lewis]

phonics getting a couple of melanin placebo boosters.

[7om]

Yeah one of the consultants told me it's apparently ~91% of people protected by it after a few weeks. Goes up to 95% with second dose.

I'm not sure where these figures are coming from though as there hasn't been a proper trial done on single dose efficacy afaik.

I wonder if your consultant is thinking of this bit from the NEJM paper:


Nevertheless, in the interval between the first and second doses, the observed vaccine efficacy against Covid-19 was 52%, and in the first 7 days after dose 2, it was 91%, reaching full efficacy against disease with onset at least 7 days after dose 2.

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-55708709

Trump-esque production values and all.

Hospital admissions are not 'still rising'. as claimed in the blurb there. They have plateaued in the last few days and probably showing first sign of a fall today.

Deaths are still rising but it will only be for a week or so.

[7om]

Hospital admissions are not 'still rising'. as claimed in the blurb there. They have plateaued in the last few days and probably showing first sign of a fall today.

Deaths are still rising but it will only be for a week or so.

Are they not rising because the amount of people requiring hospitalisation has plateaued or because they’ve run out of beds?

[Jimmy Floyd]

They haven't run out of beds (maybe a small number of hospitals in certain areas have but the vast majority haven't).

[7om]

They haven't run out of beds (maybe a small number of hospitals in certain areas have but the vast majority haven't).

Have you got a source? Not doubting you, I’d just like to see the numbers.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Well there are around 168,000 hospital beds in England (2019 figures, so there may be more now which are created for Covid) and there are 35,000 patients currently in hospital with covid. I don't know how many patients are in hospital for other reasons, but I haven't read any reports of hospitals being hammered for capacity except at points in Essex and parts of east London.

[randomlegend]

ITUs are being hammered.

[Spikey M]

Southend Hospital were shipping people out to Suffolk and beyond a few weeks ago, but they had a bed on the Covid Ward for my wife's nan straight away when she arrived last night. Not sure how much we can take from that, but they had atleast 1 bed available I guess.

[Shindig]

I don't know what Covid does to a ward setup but I wonder if they have more space between the beds which leads to a lower capacity.

[Spikey M]

I don't know what Covid does to a ward setup but I wonder if they have more space between the beds which leads to a lower capacity.

They already have it when they turn up, is social distance much of a concern at that point? Or does further exposure make you worse? I know it does at the point of catching it, but does it matter when you're already ill?

[Spoonsky]

Well there are around 168,000 hospital beds in England (2019 figures, so there may be more now which are created for Covid) and there are 35,000 patients currently in hospital with covid. I don't know how many patients are in hospital for other reasons, but I haven't read any reports of hospitals being hammered for capacity except at points in Essex and parts of east London.

Shouldn't you be looking at intensive care units, as there will be far fewer of those across England? (As RL pointed out.)

[7om]

ITUs are being hammered.

Exactly. I’m not sure it’s correct to equate the number of total beds and the number of COVID admissions and do a simple subtraction.

[Kikó]

https://twitter.com/ncholiA/status/1347555534510157829?s=19

New variant alert.

[Boydy]

https://twitter.com/ncholiA/status/1347555534510157829?s=19

New variant alert.

Is that new? Hasn't the South African variant been in the news for a while now? I don't know what most of that thread means though. Someone explain it in layman's terms. 7om?

[7om]

Not an immunologist by any stretch, but he's talking about changes that the virus has undergone in laboratory testing where they have grown the virus and observed mutations. The mutation they found matched the one that has occured naturally in South Africa. And then he says that this new mutation has a built-in ability to avoid the antibodies that would normally kill the virus.

That is not extremely concerning to me. There are other aspects of the immune system which will fight the virus, not just antibodies. Just depends whether or not this new variant causes more severe disease and if the vaccine can fight it. But an mRNA vaccine like the one from Pfizer wouldn't be difficult to reconfigure if need be.

[Kikó]

Sorry linked to the wrong tweet 1351231948434403328?s=24

[Jimmy Floyd]

Shouldn't you be looking at intensive care units, as there will be far fewer of those across England? (As RL pointed out.)

Maybe but we were talking about 'hospitalisations' which is not the same as intensive care units. The more serious the thing you're talking about is, the longer it takes the patient to get there, so deaths and intensive care will be the last to taper off.

[Don]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/health-55708709

Trump-esque production values and all.

Just saw it now on BBC News. Fucking hell, still a good 4 weeks of this incessant shite. Please someone snipe Biden.

[Dquincy]

Anyone know when the oldies will stop dying as a result of the vaccine? As of 10th January, the 80+ people mortality rate was still rising, but presume this is down to not enough of them being vaccinated and the ones that had, many hadn't had the 2 week period thereafter.

I think the next 2 weeks will start to see a drop off, but how much will this be due to lockdown or the vaccinations. I say open it all up so we can test the vaccine properly.