Coronavirus Death Thread

[Jimmy Floyd]

This is lockdown, vaccine effect won't kick in for a few weeks.

[Dquincy]

Look at that new variant soar. Helpful graph to illustrate how much more contagious the new south east variant is compared to its counterpart/s.

https://i.ibb.co/XLkxGkv/20210118-225340.jpg

Source: ONS

[Yevrah]

Isn't there also an element of it just being the dominant one now?

[Dquincy]

Yep, sorry that was my point on how it's dominated the previous strain, which has kept it relatively low in comparison.

[Dquincy]

Last graph for the night from me. Interesting seeing that the excess deaths in 2020 didn't significantly change for the 15 to 44 year olds. Quite a wide age range so thought it might be higher. Obviously grim reading for the older generation.

https://i.ibb.co/ncY5MZw/20210118-231013.jpg

[Giggles]

I get the wife back tomorrow, haven’t laid eyes on her since the day after new years.

[Don]

Society really ought to just cull everyone on their 45th birthday if COVID-20 is gonna lead to this shit.

[Magic]

Society really ought to just cull everyone on their 45th birthday if COVID-20 is gonna lead to this shit.

Covid 20 gonna do it for us brother.

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-55709428

It's all very shit, but what are they expecting here? Nobody is going to accept less than the maximum they can get.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The UN, WHO and all multinational bodies fail for this exact reason. 200 holier than thou types sitting in Switzerland dreaming of a fair world that exists in their heads, rather than the one that actually exists.

[Kikó]

There is a point that we're only as strong as our weakest links so we do need to redistribute at a point in the near future.

[Spikey M]

I can't see a single leader telling the public that they're going to sacrifice some of them to protect poor foreign people. Whether it makes sense to do so doesn't matter, it would be career ending.

[Don]

That offers a good out for us who don't want the bad press with rejecting the vaccine.

"Why should I have mine before the 80 year-olds on the West Bank have had theirs.:youpi:"

[Spikey M]

Matt Hancock is isolating again. 10 days locked in the understairs toilet. Poor bastard.

[Kikó]

I can't see a single leader telling the public that they're going to sacrifice some of them to protect poor foreign people. Whether it makes sense to do so doesn't matter, it would be career ending.

Sorry didn't mean redistributing what is in possession today, more, we need to address the weaker points in the chain if we want to 'fully' eradicate transmission. That means at some point, helping the poorer nations vaccinate.

[Raoul Duke]

Canada (and other nations) have ordered loads more than they need. I'd imagine some of those orders will be shifted out to other countries

[niko_cee]

They can have all the surplus EU vaccines from Sanofi and Curevac in about 2035 when they're ready.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The stuff that crushes one's morale during this is when Matt Hancock sets the following tests for easing lockdown:

- Low deaths
- Low pressure on NHS
- Evidence of the vaccination programme working (!)
- No new variant

1 and 2 can be done (albeit with a 6-8 week delay) by mass public behaviour, but 3 and 4 not a single member of the public has any control over whatsoever. So we're all at the mercy of complete luck. Starting to think they might keep us fully locked down for months and months - there is clearly immense pressure from Whitty et al to do this.

[Spikey M]

If they keep this up much longer the suicide figures will go above the Covid ones.

[Magic]

Apparently suicide rates haven't changed, still appallingly high.

[Don]

Suicide rates won't explode, the brainwashing and behavioural adaptation has had enough time to succeed now. People are happy to sit at home consuming endless shite on TV and watching their lives slip them by.

[Yevrah]

The stuff that crushes one's morale during this is when Matt Hancock sets the following tests for easing lockdown:

- Low deaths
- Low pressure on NHS
- Evidence of the vaccination programme working (!)
- No new variant

1 and 2 can be done (albeit with a 6-8 week delay) by mass public behaviour, but 3 and 4 not a single member of the public has any control over whatsoever. So we're all at the mercy of complete luck. Starting to think they might keep us fully locked down for months and months - there is clearly immense pressure from Whitty et al to do this.

3 should take care of and be proved by 1 and 2, but 4 is fantasy land.

[Jimmy Floyd]

What should happen is that as soon as the deaths/NHS pressure recede he should start gradually lifting restrictions, for reasons of basic liberty if nothing else. There is no reason to be in lockdown other than to preserve the ability of the healthcare system to treat people.

[Waffdon]

Matt Hancock is isolating again. 10 days locked in the understairs toilet. Poor bastard.

He’s getting to isolate for less than a week. How’s that work?

[Spikey M]

He’s getting to isolate for less than a week. How’s that work?

This happened to my wife. It's 10 days from the date of last contact, so if he saw them last week and they got a positive test today then Matty Boy only has to isolate for 3 days.

[Kikó]

Suicide rates won't explode, the brainwashing and behavioural adaptation has had enough time to succeed now. People are happy to sit at home consuming endless shite on TV and watching their lives slip them by.

So what's changed?

[Yevrah]

I haven't set a timetable for this yet, but I can see myself edging ever closer to cracking on with life and accepting the consequences of that. I won't be Donning it and attending an illegal rave in Somerset, but if a mate I've known for 30 years who I trust completely to tell me if they have symptoms (I know this is far from a fool proof way to avoid spreading it) wants to come round for a beer in my garden or living room then I don't think I'm too far away from doing so.

Vs. the severity of the virus this has gone on for far too long, clearly nowhere near enough people at risk are doing as much as they should be to avoid catching it, our own systems of care are the leading vector of transmission anyway and living much longer like this isn't worth it vs. the almost miniscule increase in risk transmission I'd be causing if introduced some vaguely sociable things into my life.

[Yevrah]

I'm also thoroughly sick of the assumption that 'I've' continually broken rules being plastered front and centre everywhere I look.

Take this article on the lockdown rules. I was actually looking for it an hour ago to see what the rules were on meeting anyone and I'm presented with a stock image of a hoodlum being carted off by the rozzers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52530518

For 10 months I've almost entirely abided by the rules and also lived in a way that doesn't break the spirit of what we're trying to achieve even if there isn't a rule that covers it, and I get that.

Absolute dog shit.

[Kikó]

I can't see the justification for bringing this beyond the end of February especially if the rates continue to drop (of cases) and hospital pressure eases. They need to then go back to Tiering (and more in T2 or lower) with the view that summer is relatively Tier-less. I understand the pressure now on hospitals but you'd think with the case drop, increase in vaccination and improving weather, we'd be in a place to move out of this extended winter lockdown.

The BBC is trash. I don't know why you read it.

[Spikey M]

Yevrah joining Team Open The Clubs is the signing of the window. A massive coup for Don. Top, top work.

[Ian]

It's all part of the message being set up not simply that the public should accept its share of the blame for the whole thing but all of the blame, Yev.

[Yevrah]

It's all part of the message being set up not simply that the public should accept its share of the blame for the whole thing but all of the blame, Yev.

We absolutely are to blame (if that's the right way to look at it and I'm increasingly of the opinion that it isn't) for this wave.

[Ian]

Indeed but it's going to be used as an excuse to pretend the government being incompetent didn't happen.

[Spikey M]

There will be an enquiry into the care homes after this is all done at the very least. Dumping a load of infected people into literally the last place you want them was mental.

[Yevrah]

Yevrah joining Team Open The Clubs is the signing of the window. A massive coup for Don. Top, top work.

Enough is almost enough.

If they'd listened to common sense in the first place rather than blindly following THE SCIENCE (not all science is equal chaps, who'd have thought it) then we may have had a fighting chance of keeping enough of this thing out to have led reasonably normal lives, but no, instead we went with absolute brain fart dirge like "viruses don't respect borders" and whatever else the Chinese puppets at the WHO were churning out to keep that dangerous, dangerous country happy.

[Magic]

:drool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

The harshest critics of the government are literally all people who would be harsh critics of a Tory government anyway. If it was the other way round then the dynamic would be Tory supporters screaming at the Labour government for fucking up originally and thus denying us our liberty, whereas Labour supporters would be defending the government's record and blaming the public for not 'following the rules'.

[Magic]

Hammer & Sickle in red with blood trickling down it super-imposed against a white background with loads of shadows of old people queueing for the cemetery.

[Yevrah]

Indeed but it's going to be used as an excuse to pretend the government being incompetent didn't happen.

If we ignore not closing borders in February (which I get was a huge ask) and they get the vaccine roll out right, which they appear to be doing, then it makes up for almost all of the incompetence up to then as we'd have been in roughly the same position as we'll end up in anyway.

One can bang on about test and trace, but I don't think that works in a 'free' society, so even though the app was crap it probably made little difference.

[Lewis]

The wash-up report will be pretty easy to write and nobody in particular will get any blame. The first phase can be written off because the Chinese are scum and we 'followed the science'; all the whinges during it about protective equipment and preparedness were stupid; track and trace was a bust, although we have absolutely donned testing; the tier system is a good idea in theory; and I get the feeling nobody blames anybody for this New Variant madness.

The stupid shit has been stuff around schools and other day-to-day issues, which will more than likely be outside the terms of reference for any report.

[Pepe]

Which is fine. The blame game leads to nothing. Accept that shit happened and move on as soon as possible.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Moving on as soon as possible is not going to happen if they keep us fully locked down into the summer, as now seems very likely.

America's shrug shoulders and carry on policy seems oh so attractive at the moment.

[Giggles]

I hope we're locked down until at least June. It's suiting me perfectly at the minute for work and home.

[Yevrah]

Fully locked down into the summer? Where are you reading that?

Absolutely no chance am I complying with the rules as they are now until July. No chance whatsoever. And there surely should be no reason to unless they know something we don't. Does this vaccine actually work?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Fully locked down into the summer? Where are you reading that?

Absolutely no chance am I complying with the rules as they are now until July. No chance whatsoever. And there surely should be no reason to unless they know something we don't. Does this vaccine actually work?

They've been briefing today (softly) about 2 April being the aim to 'start lifting restrictions', so Christ knows when any meaningful lifting will happen.

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[Yevrah]

I see THE SCIENCE is saying that it'll take until summer for enough people to have had the vaccine for it to interrupt transmission in any meaningful sense.

Which is absolutely not what we need to wait for to begin opening things up again.

[Don]

I hope we're locked down until everyone dies a lonely, painful, disease-ridden death and my taxes can stop subsidising theit fucking obese asses and their disgusting lifestyles.

[Spikey M]

Stop ruing my holiday plans you arseholes.

[Spikey M]

I see THE SCIENCE is saying that it'll take until summer for enough people to have had the vaccine for it to interrupt transmission in any meaningful sense.

Which is absolutely not what we need to wait for to begin opening things up again.

They say that 10% of people have had Covid (or have the antibodies some other way) As of December. They're currently flying through vaccines at around 1,000,000 a week. They reckon herd immunity kicks in at 60% right? We're currently at around 15%.

Well... fuck.

[Magic]

In Scotland they've said September. :harold:

[Pepe]

I know a French girl in Mexico whos mother has decided to move with here, for the freedomz. What a time to be alive.

[Jimmy Floyd]

My man on the ground in la ciudad de méxico tells me that everything there is a total free for all, the health minister is literally on the beach, etc. Get me on a plane there immediately.

[Pepe]

Yes, it is a free for all. The cases are bad, but not worse than places with restrictions.

[Don]

But what about the nurses Pepe, do they sometimes feel a little down? These are the important questions to determining if we should be allowed to live or not.

[Pepe]

They do feel down sometimes. Then they spend the weekend in Acapulco partying in Disco Beach and feel much better afterwards.

[Lewis]

I am a bit more optimistic about FREEDOM. You won't see a full stadium this side of the current season, but I would expect us to be in tier two/summer-like conditions by Easter.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I am a bit more optimistic about FREEDOM. You won't see a full stadium this side of the current season, but I would expect us to be in tier two/summer-like conditions by Easter.

I thought that based on the trend of statistics, but it ain't the message coming out.

Tier 3 to Tier 2 is the big jump as although it retains some restrictions and masks and things, it allows people to have some semblance of a social life. The lower covid areas (Devon, Lincolnshire, East Yorks) should arguably be there already as a test case.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They do feel down sometimes. Then they spend the weekend in Acapulco partying in Disco Beach and feel much better afterwards.

TTH Meet 2021 in Acapulco?

[Lewis]

I thought that based on the trend of statistics, but it ain't the message coming out.

Tier 3 to Tier 2 is the big jump as although it retains some restrictions and masks and things, it allows people to have some semblance of a social life. The lower covid areas (Devon, Lincolnshire, East Yorks) should arguably be there already as a test case.

Wor Boris MINDGAMING everyone with reduced expectations. He'll dust off the Vote Leave bus for a Good Friday victory lap.

[Pepe]

TTH Meet 2021 in Acapulco?

Imagine the sunburns. :drool:

[Lewis]

Forum beano down in Acapulco
Have you seen Mahow?
Yes it's the forum beano down in Acapulco
He hasn't come out of his room

[Lewis]

lol the actual verses could all be about his internet squeeze.

[Don]

:lol:

As if it's Acapulco and not Acapoko.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Wor Boris MINDGAMING everyone with reduced expectations.

That's the one thing he'll never do. I know a shit salesman when I see/am one.

[Raoul Duke]

Looks like we're getting a curfew (https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/01/dutch-to-announce-new-coronavirus-measures-on-wednesday-curfew-possible/) this weekend. It's not like I have anywhere to be, but still :moop:


Insiders expect this means that the Netherlands will have a curfew, possibly running from 8pm to 4am, although it is unclear if there is a parliamentary majority in favour of such a move.

[Dquincy]

You chaps complaining about the ever ongoing lockdown, all the while we are topping the charts.

Oxford University research platform - show that the UK to have the worst seven-day average of new daily Covid-19 deaths per million people - a rate of 16.54 per 1,000,000.

My point being we seem to have stricter lockdown rules than 'some' countries, but are still suffering more. Maybe we just have more fat/old bastards than them.

[Spikey M]

We (read: you, you kentish slut) invented a new strain that is more infectious.

[Shindig]

Just wait til Russia publishes their real numbers, lads. That'll make us feel better.

[Don]

The fact you treacherous cunts palm your parents off onto minimum wage ethnics as soon as they stop acting as a source of financial support is probably why.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Looks like we're getting a curfew (https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/01/dutch-to-announce-new-coronavirus-measures-on-wednesday-curfew-possible/) this weekend. It's not like I have anywhere to be, but still :moop:

Europeans are mad for their curfews it seems. Doesn't it just push all the necessary activity (shopping etc) into a much smaller window and increase contact?

[Luca]

Europeans are mad for their curfews it seems. Doesn't it just push all the necessary activity (shopping etc) into a much smaller window and increase contact?

Europeans and proto-Europeans (the Quebeckers have done it here as well). It's even more nonsensical here, as most fun has been cancelled for months and anything deemed "non-essential" already shuttered, so instead of preventing a few nights out or whatever I suppose the intended effect is supposed to be, it does as you suggest. Forcing more people into doing the essential things they have to do in a smaller window of time. It's 'safety theatre' taken to its logical extreme.

[Raoul Duke]

The main thing is that most of the population just don't give a fuck - people here still have parties/visit friends etc. Our upstairs neighbour still has people around all the time, delivery drivers roll up not wearing masks etc. They're just a really stubborn group and there's a bit of a lack of social norms.

[Spikey M]

Europeans are mad for their curfews it seems. Doesn't it just push all the necessary activity (shopping etc) into a much smaller window and increase contact?

The Turks have the best Curfews. It's done by age so that the dirty youngsters can only pass it about amongst themselves. Before returning home and... well...

[Shindig]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55716340

3 words that go well together. French student protest.

[Don]

Hear, hear, my French brethren.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, this damage is irreversible. The generation affected have now had their perception of life permanently disfigured. To have seen that all your freedoms can be taken away from you and your life made a misery by a higher power will mean none of it will be as meaningful as it once was.

[Giggles]

It's been less than a year you soft twat :D

[Spikey M]

Things immediately went back to normal last summer. There will be some soppy cunts that are still washing their hands red raw after touching every doorhandle, but most people will move on as soon as they are allowed to.

[Jimmy Floyd]

For people like me in their 30s it will be remembered as a fucking awful waste of a period of our lives, but people in their formative years will probably be far more affected by it. All the stuff you experience between say 16 and 24 which they are missing out on.

[Offshore Toon]

It hasn't been so long of a period that you can't make up for lost time. Just take a year off work or retire earlier if you feel that robbed.

[7om]

Don’t worry, Taz. You’ll be back to not shagging tick tings by the summer and by next Christmas this will all be a memory. We will get back to normal.

[Don]

It's not really about lost experiences that could have been because as you say, it's only 12 months (even if it is 12 months at my peak physical condition). It's about the revelations and awakenings about the futility of it all.

[Boydy]

Went looking for the picture of you holding that bike to post it with "peak physical condition" and it's gone from the image hosting site. :(

[Don]

You may not like it but it but this is what peak performance looks like.

Actually the rest for my strange backpain was needed and there's no way I would have voluntarily stayed off the football pitch/dancefloor so meh I can hack it, it's my weaker compatriots I fight for.

[7om]

In all seriousness then, Taz, do you want complete lifting of restrictions?

[Don]

I'm not here to propose sensible alternative solutions, I'm here to lash out and spout toxicity as I act out of self-interest. I really fucking need my sauna back during these bleak winter months in this climate. The football, clubs and all the rest I can wait for.

[randomlegend]

I think the cause of your "strange" back pain is as plain as the nose on your face.

[Don]

Pumping your missus has nothing to do with this, plus I fear the logistics of her going on top.

[randomlegend]

Yawn

[igor_balis]

Next question: why are all the lefty mob so incandescent with rage about Laurence Fox? The stupid cunt has no publicity other than that which he gives himself on his own twitter account, which can safely be ignored, but instead they spend all weekend amplifying it.

While there's definitely some mileage in the just ignore the troll mantra, most of the LEFTY MOB I know are laughing at him rather than raging, he's become a meme at this point.

[igor_balis]

It's all nonsense. The right is hell bent on 'protecting' a society that hasn't existed since Winston Churchill was at school and the left is busy trying to delete every label that's ever existed so they can replace each of them with 12 new ones.

sounds like you're patiently waiting for a witty, kind centrist party to restore some sanity with you

[Lewis]

I know you love James Felton lad but having notifications for him being mentioned is a bit you know.

[Spikey M]

sounds like you're patiently waiting for a witty, kind centrist party to restore some sanity with you

I would just be happy for the left and the right to be a bit more moderate.

[igor_balis]

I would just be happy for the left and the right to be a bit more moderate.

with the way the overton window has been dragged to the right for the last 50 years, i'm a bit worried by what the left would need to do to be considered "moderate", though.

also polite reminder that the loud twitter crazies aren't entirely representative. for either side, tbf.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The Overton window (if it exists) was hauled sharply to the left by World War II and has just been drifting back since.

Covid might haul it somewhat left again (though not as much).

[Lewis]

Thinking public/political life have been 'dragged to the right for the last 50 years' makes you one of the crazies.

[igor_balis]

The Overton window (if it exists) was hauled sharply to the left by World War II and has just been drifting back since.

Covid might haul it somewhat left again (though not as much).

I spose one's takeaway is largely dependent on whether you think that's a good thing or not.

[Kikó]

The Overton window (if it exists) was hauled sharply to the left by World War II and has just been drifting back since.

Covid might haul it somewhat left again (though not as much).

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/nintchdbpict000004399710.jpg

All to replace Ronaldo.

[igor_balis]

Thinking public/political life have been 'dragged to the right for the last 50 years' makes you one of the crazies.

I don't think it's been dragged by some magical invisible hand (like that of the market, lol), or that it's been forced on people, though. I'm not even disputing that the Overton window is largely a reflection of the autonomous beliefs and opinions of the public at large. My main issue is with Very Sensible Centrists (not a dig at you Spikey M , even if I was taking the piss), who seem to decide what they stand for and what they believe in based purely on what is bang in the middle of an inherently volatile spectrum (not the one we're all clearly on), rather than starting with their opinions and then figuring out where they are on it afterwards.

Makes about much sense as watching one of those painfully "balanced" BBC current affairs shows, where they'll frame something like IS THE EARTH FLAT as a debate, and coming away from it smugly telling everyone you think it's half flat and half round. Or like being a lifelong Lib Dem supporter, which makes no sense cus their "ideology" is basically a quadrennial strategic decision based on where the other two are.

[Spikey M]

I've heard all that stuff before, but I'm yet to ever meet a real life example of it. For what it's worth, I voted for the Lib Dems when Cleggers was in charge, but every other election I voted Labour. Even when Corbyn was in charge and I don't even like him.

I have no issue with the concept of being a centrist though and in the real world it's far more likely that a centrist would just have some views they share with the left and some views they share with the right (which I do), rather than this idea that being a Centrist points to me being impassive on the Rwandan Genocide.

[Lewis]

They are dickheads, but every modern self-styled 'centrist' is to the left of their seventies/eighties/nineties equivalents on pretty much everything except industrial policy and taxation, so the spectrum can't have moved right, let alone consistently for fifty years. The Great British Public - the actual centrists who want higher benefits but only for people they personally think deserve them - are to the right of those people, but would have still moved left across similar issues over the decades, and they don't set the terms of the wanky debate[s] within which 'centrists' position themselves.

[Lewis]

I think the 'centrist'-cum-'Grown Up' spectrum goes (left to right):

1. Communist mong
2. Socialist mong
3. Centrist
4. Centrist
5. Centrist
6. Moderate Conservative (centrist on social issues)
7. Hard-right mong
8. Far-right mong
9. Extreme-right mong
10. Mong mong

It's not literally standing on number five and thinking the Holocaust had its strengths.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If you want an example of centrist wank, read any prominent person on British twitter vis a vis Biden today. God it makes me want to puke.

[Lewis]

All competing to make their statements profound as well.

*Joe Biden shits himself during a speech*
'Contrast the quiet dignity...'

[Boydy]

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:uhoh:

[Don]

I'm afraid a possible reduced 33%-60% efficacy after only 1 dose is not enough for me and Magic to wank eachother off. Hopefully vaccine failure in February.

[7om]

1351866339565121537

:uhoh:

Do you have the full text, Boydy?

EDIT: I’ve seen a BBC article on it. Are Israel announcing infection rates in those vaccinated is the same as the non-vaccinated? If so, that can absolutely be taken with a pinch of salt.

Nothing to see here.

[Magic]

That won't stop project fear from thriving on it.

[Lewis]

Jews even disagreeing with a vaccine. We'll be alright.

[Jimmy Floyd]

There was something else from Project Fear this morning saying that an Ipsos Mori study (where they send testing kits out to a large representative sample) between 6-15 Jan had suggested that there is 'no evidence' that cases are falling. I can't see how that can possibly be true, both given the official government numbers (our testing and reporting setup is really good), and the fact that for the last four days new hospital admissions have shown week-on-week reductions for the first time since this 3rd/4th/whatever wave it is began, which is what you would expect to see if the official numbers are correct.

[Lofty]

They kept sending me shit in the post which I binned.

[Lewis]

https://www.hsj.co.uk/primary-care/exclusive-leading-regions-vaccine-supply-to-be-halved-so-others-can-catch-up/7029342.article

:harold:

[Jimmy Floyd]

One said: “It’s a sensible policy if you have limited vaccine supply, which is clearly the case [but], given the demography, deprivation, and ethnicity in parts of the region, it’s not great.”

Is there a region which doesn't have demography, deprivation and ethnicity in parts of the region?

[Spikey M]

Bradford.

[Yevrah]

There was something else from Project Fear this morning saying that an Ipsos Mori study (where they send testing kits out to a large representative sample) between 6-15 Jan had suggested that there is 'no evidence' that cases are falling. I can't see how that can possibly be true, both given the official government numbers (our testing and reporting setup is really good), and the fact that for the last four days new hospital admissions have shown week-on-week reductions for the first time since this 3rd/4th/whatever wave it is began, which is what you would expect to see if the official numbers are correct.

They need to be careful with this approach. Too much of this bullshit will quite reasonably lead to people thinking "if it's not working, why should I bother".

[Andy]

They need to be careful with this approach. Too much of this bullshit will quite reasonably lead to people thinking "if it's not working, why should I bother".

Indeed, especially with no end in sight.

[Magic]

Haven't they changed testing to some quicker but not-as-accurate way?

[Don]

Not ruling out a lockdown until summer :boydy:

[Magic]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-binman-dies-covid-after-23358995

Now this isn't funny really, but why on earth are the council getting a hard time because a grotesquely overweight and unhealthy employee died of something they wouldn't have had they looked after themselves a bit better? And lol at this:

A larger than life Scots binman died of coronavirus despite his wife forking out hundreds of pounds on protective equipment.

Hugely popular Scott Hunter, from Auchterarder, had tried to protect himself with the kit and cleaning gear bought by wife Fiona.

But £0 spent (or saved!) on trying to improve lifestyle? Fuck this country and the people in it.

[Don]

https://i2-prod.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article23359075.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/0_ScottHunter2.png

Look at the eyes, the geezer's soul is literally begging to be freed from the shackles of that fucking abused physical form.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Fairly sure today is the first day where we can truly say new hospital admissions are falling UK wide. By early to mid next week I think we will see the actual number of inpatients start to reduce. Ventilator patients are plateauing now too - those were still rising up to last weekend.

See what the guvvenment has to say on its messaging.

[Lewis]

Look at the eyes, the geezer's soul is literally begging to be freed from the shackles of that fucking abused physical form.

Magic's solicitor appealing the settlement.

[Spikey M]

Fairly sure today is the first day where we can truly say new hospital admissions are falling UK wide. By early to mid next week I think we will see the actual number of inpatients start to reduce. Ventilator patients are plateauing now too - those were still rising up to last weekend.

See what the guvvenment has to say on its messaging.

None of that. They need to keep people scared. If people are scared. Is anyone scared? I'm just fucking bored.

[Spoonsky]

We've got a PLAN.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/535164-read-biden-administrations-covid-19-response-and-pandemic-preparedness

Catching up with the rest of the world after 10 months :drool:

[Lewis]

America seems to be rolling it out reasonably well, in spite of local idiots doing their best to scupper it, so are they just pretending otherwise to take credit for it?

[7om]

shorturl.at/qDFPQ

Wakefield still going strong.

[Shindig]

"Okay, lads. We'll inject this DNA into you because, as we all know, human bodies are very accepting to foreign invaders."

[Lewis]

These BBC stories need to wind it in a bit. If the left two out of these lads (https://imgur.com/c5WQoiJ) have died, it could get you too. Stay inside.

[Jimmy Floyd]

As someone who is currently getting my main/only source of current optimism from tracking the actual numbers that the ONS releases, the messaging the government are using in these press conferences is pathetic. It's like when one dickhead set off a fire extinguisher at school and it resulted in the whole school getting a bollocking from the head. Clearly people are observing the restrictions pretty damn well, in the main.

[Don]

These BBC stories need to wind it in a bit. If the left two out of these lads (https://imgur.com/c5WQoiJ) have died, it could get you too. Stay inside.

What the fuck am I looking at? :D

Link me to the story immediately if that isn't some joke I'm not getting.

[Lewis]

What the fuck am I looking at? :D

Link me to the story immediately if that isn't some joke I'm not getting.

It was the six o'clock news sob story. If you stick with it you get a crying male nurse with the best set of moobs you've ever seen.

[Boydy]

1352175856886697988

:lol:

[Manc]

Brilliant.

[Magic]

Male nurse. :harold:

[Don]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/21/ministers-ponder-paying-500-to-all-with-covid-in-england

I mean the headline is batshit enough but I had to stop reading at police being given access to health data. This coming when cases are on the decrease and vaccination is trundling along nicely? It's almost like the end isn't anywhere near. This is fucking mental.

[Yevrah]

The language used and positioning makes it seem like they suspect the vaccine isn't going to work, or at least be nowhere near as straight forward as it appears to be.

[Dquincy]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/2939/production/_115235501_qe_boe-nc.png

Keynesian economics to the max. :drool:

The graph is from November 2020, so f knows where that'll end up. Mega inflation in 2022 anyone?

[Jimmy Floyd]

The language used and positioning makes it seem like they suspect the vaccine isn't going to work, or at least be nowhere near as straight forward as it appears to be.

I'd like to see where this all is in two weeks. I suspect that the medical/NHS element of SAGE are probably (perhaps understandably, perhaps not) far too wrapped up in what's happening in hospitals now, and not sufficiently open-eyed about the fact that it's inevitably going to ease once the reduced caseload under the current restrictions rolls through to hospital situations.

They really, really, really don't need to introduce tougher restrictions. Currently cases are coming down 20-25% per week and people are still earning a living. Why would you jeopardise that state of affairs. If cases were to start going up again (locally or nationally) then they have a much bigger issue on their hands than whether garden centres are open, so they will need to rethink the entire strategy.

[Dquincy]

Ffs.

http://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-the-nightmare-of-one-father-as-covid-tore-his-family-apart-12194906

First news article on the sky news app.

[Shindig]

Cash for Covid would lead to a spike as people purposely chase infections for the money.

[Raoul Duke]

Cash for Covid would lead to a spike as people purposely chase infections for the money.

I thought that - seems like the exact opposite of the behaviour you need to incentivise :D

[Spikey M]

Druggies licking door handles and creating a Hepatitis, HIV, Covid hybrid. :drool:

[Waffdon]

https://t.co/KS0azGlsWY

:D

[Offshore Toon]

I always found it very strange walking/driving around there. One minute everything was typical London, then it was non-stop full-on jews for 10-15 minutes, then back to normal.

[Jimmy Floyd]

London is like that. Edgware Road is the same but with Arabs and sheesha bars etc. Feels like full on Baghdad for 10 minutes walking and then you look up and you're at Lord's.

[Boydy]

I always found it very strange walking/driving around there. One minute everything was typical London, then it was non-stop full-on jews for 10-15 minutes, then back to normal.
Used to live on the edge of it. It was great. They were out at all times so it always felt pretty safe.

My friend who I lived with once got asked to come in a house and turn the cooker on for them on a Friday evening after dark. :D

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55768033

Here we go. There's no spinning it anymore.

R is below fucking 1, though, is all I can say.

[CJay]

It’s apparently 0.6 in the community over here, with care settings bringing it up to 0.8-1 apparently.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Open the clubs.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I still want to know how that Imperial study managed to find that there was a 'worrying increase' in cases between 6 and 15 January.

[Don]

R is just a number some old cunt is coming out with based on the stats so when we said yesterday that cases are falling, that was the same thing.

What I'm trying to say is let's not be hasty in reopening the clubs. Let's see how many more fucking obese retards the media can find some footage of, BBC must have struck up a deal with a few London hospitals for some good access too so we shouldn't just let that public money go wasted.

[Jimmy Floyd]

As of yesterday the ONS still had R at 1.2-1.3, it definitely hasn't been that for at least three weeks.

[Alex]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55768033

Here we go. There's no spinning it anymore.

R is below fucking 1, though, is all I can say.

Everything still steeped in a heavy nose of the end times being nigh though. "Appears to be shrinking". It doesn't "appear" to be shrinking. It is shrinking.

They ran a long and tedious article earlier today about why vaccinating the old and vulnerable is not a way out of lockdown too.

[Lewis]

That BBC just had the Board of Deputies on condemning that Jewish wedding as if it was a terrorist attack (except they don't normally do that for terrorist attacks). :cab:

[Shindig]

Vallance walking back Boris on the mortality rate of the new variant is a sight to see.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The press conference tonight was an absolute shambles, particularly from Vallance, who is a twat. You could almost smell the stage management.

[Yevrah]

How did it go down? I was washing my hair.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Vallance launched into a spiel about the new variant being more deadly, then caveated it with 'The evidence for this is not yet strong', then said that for a 65 year man the risk of death with the old variant was 10 in 1,000 and with the new variant 13 in 1,000, and then said again 'There is a lot of uncertainty around these numbers and we need more work to get a precise handle on it'.

Whitty then tried to convince us that the falling case numbers were meaningless because there was evidence that in people aged 20-30 in some parts of the country, there is evidence they are still rising.

And Boris was a blundering mess who was clearly making a very conscious effort to appear more downcast than usual.

[Spikey M]

The new variant might kill 13 out of every 1000 60 year old instead of 10 of every 1000 60 year olds. Might. Possibly. Maybe. Potentially.

Edit: what Jimmy said.

[Jimmy Floyd]

All of it, I think, a successful attempt to get the falling R and today's chunky drop in cases as far down the agenda as possible.

It may be a wise strategy, I don't know, but it's a very frustrating one to watch.

[Spikey M]

It is if there's reason to believe that people are scared and need to remain scared, but I'm really not sure they are scared anymore. Atleast from what I can gauge from my limited human interactions, most people don't even care anymore.

[Kikó]

1352693696249081857?s=19

This is good.

[Lewis]

The press conference tonight was an absolute shambles, particularly from Vallance, who is a twat. You could almost smell the stage management.

People seem to like Chris Whitty more than him. Whitty would have happily had us all donning the Swedish approach whilst Vallance hid in a cupboard, so is it his sad little face?

[Jimmy Floyd]

He has a very centrist dad / inappropriate approaches to female colleagues sort of a face. Whitty just has the face of a man with no hobbies.

[Dquincy]

1352693696249081857?s=19

This is good.
How many people do we need jabbed up to expect it to affect mortality rates and, potentially, new infection rates?

[7om]

Whitty has got the face of an alcoholic.

[Yevrah]

A 0.3% increase in mortality if you catch it, and you're in your 60s? Shut everything down. Forever.

[Yevrah]

All of it, I think, a successful attempt to get the falling R and today's chunky drop in cases as far down the agenda as possible.

It may be a wise strategy, I don't know, but it's a very frustrating one to watch.

It has to be a wrongheaded one, surely?

It presumably makes no difference now what you say to people who aren't following the rules, so all you're doing is pissing people like me off that are. Making me more likely to fuck it all off.

[Yevrah]

Also, why is it the UK variant, but not the Chinese virus?

[Giggles]

Also, why is it the UK variant, but not the Chinese virus?

Haven’t a load of your politicians and media been calling it the Chinese virus all along?

[Giggles]

A 0.3% increase in mortality if you catch it, and you're in your 60s? Shut everything down. Forever.

0.3% or 3%?

[Yevrah]

Haven’t a load of your politicians and media been calling it the Chinese virus all along?

Our politicians and media (at least the media that I see) have barely criticised China at all, let alone give the virus its rightful name.

[Yevrah]

0.3% or 3%?

10/1000 = 1.0%
13/1000 =1.3%

1.3% - 1.0% = 0.3%

There's a reason he didn't mention percentages though, even the innumerate know that 0.3% is fuck all.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Yes I was giving them far too much credit with my maths fail earlier.

Though I have seen it spun on bedwetting twitter as '30% more deadly'.

[Spikey M]

How the fuck can 0.3% be span as 30%?

[Yevrah]

13 deaths is 30% more than 10.

Moronic, but that's how.

[Shindig]

I'm still amazed at how 10% of the people in hospital wind up on ventilators. That's barely changed this whole pandemic.

[Mellberg]

Good work Yev. I'm off out to lick old people.

[Spikey M]

13 deaths is 30% more than 10.

Moronic, but that's how.

:D ffs

[Shindig]

The BBC went for it immediately, as well. Downgrading it from "50% more deadly!" to "Evidence suggest ..." and now "What we know about the coronavirus variants."

The need to have a soundbite immediately is ruining their ability to report on something that takes fucking ages to be established. Day after day.

[Spikey M]

It's just downright dishonest. There's nothing to be established. The sample size matters in that comparison. Otherwise, why not scale it up to per 1,000,000,000 people and pretend it's worse than Ebola?

[niko_cee]

We've had 4 cases overnight in smugville with no obvious source so everything's gone into full existential crisis mode. :face:

[Ian]

Saw a flyer on the trolley bay at the supermarket saying "RESIST THE NEW NORMAL."

It leads to this Telegram group (https://t.me/s/nerna01) where they're talking about THE GRAND RE-OPENING! Complete with words being capitalised presumably at random their grand scheme to bring the lockdown to its knees seems to be just going about shops handing out leaflets asking them to just open everything up as normal next Saturday.

Also leads to this group: Learning How To Think (https://t.me/LearningHowToThink) and the website as well: https://learninghowtothink.net/

It's a great website which asks all the important questions such as "Is The Matrix Losing Control?" and seems to suggest ingesting kerosene and turpentine for medicinal purposes.

[Yevrah]

It's a shame that the anti-lockdown brigades are all thick as shit mentalists. I'm pretty sure someone with a brain and an analytical approach could drive a bus through the logic of the current approach.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They couldn't, they'd go straight in the crank bin without a hearing.

And, tbf, I don't think it's particularly arguable that if one's aim is to reduce case numbers, the best way to achieve it is via massive restrictions such as these. The debate is more as to whether one's aim should be to reduce case numbers. Given the year we have experienced, I would suggest that at this stage, it definitely should.

The more problematic debate coming down the line is going to be that that some doctors and some influential academics (backed by elements of the left) are going to want to maintain lockdown until zero Covid and possibly beyond, whereas business owners and those in affected professions (backed by elements of the right) are going to want to end lockdown possibly too early. The Prime Minister, and whoever else makes this decision, have a very fine decision to make in probably doing something in between the two.

[John Arne]

There's an advert on TalkSport at the moment that says "if you go to a supermarket and use a trolley or basket, it's very likely that the person who used or before you had Covid".

I understand the need drum this into the thicko's heads, but that's clearly a complete lie.

[niko_cee]

We've gone full lockdown essentially within 12 hours of finding these cases, which, in a way I guess is the right thing to do, but in another, fuuuuuuuck.

[Raoul Duke]

Got an email from our main HR person the other day that says we're not expected back in the office until around October at earliest :cab:

[Spikey M]

We've gone full lockdown essentially within 12 hours of finding these cases, which, in a way I guess is the right thing to do, but in another, fuuuuuuuck.

Turns out he's a little New Zealander Giggles

[Lewis]

The problem the 'lockdown sceptics' have is that they have to play it down, which leads them into wibbling about false positives and then pretending that hospitals are actually empty, because they haven't got the balls/honesty (delete as appropriate) to say that they would rather have had x times more deaths than what we've had to avoid most of it. This is also why they mainly frame things in relation to nice things like mental health and cancer backlogs rather than railing against the biggest upwards wealth transfer in history.

[niko_cee]

Turns out he's a little New Zealander Giggles

I'm not a hobbit, alright.

[Boydy]

The problem the 'lockdown sceptics' have is that they have to play it down, which leads them into wibbling about false positives and then pretending that hospitals are actually empty, because they haven't got the balls/honesty (delete as appropriate) to say that they would rather have had x times more deaths than what we've had to avoid most of it. This is also why they mainly frame things in relation to nice things like mental health and cancer backlogs rather than railing against the biggest upwards wealth transfer in history.

I doubt many of them care about upwards wealth transfer.

[Shindig]

The further we get away from last March's lockdown, the more I realise that was our only real proper go of it.

[phonics]

Lewwis pretending he gives a single shit about upwards wealth transfer. lol.

[Lewis]

It doesn't just mean it all goes to Jeff Bezos you mongs. We're going to be paying more taxes for the rest of our lives (which is the least of it for a lot of people), and the 'triple lock' isn't even up for debate.

[Don]

More taxes is good! (Until the reality of it hits home after you've been arguing for it all your life :happycry:)

[Queenslander]

Brisbanes mini lockdown appears to have worked. Thankfully hospitals are back to allowing visitors.

Edit: No masks in hospitals is a bit weird.

[Don]

If I see a single concern tonight about snow leading to lockdown restrictions be broken I'm afraid strapping a bomb and heading down to BBC.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It will lead to fewer people getting tested, fewer testing positive and so they will say that that day's falling numbers are meaningless.

[Yevrah]

If only we had a metric that would establish what proportion of people tested were positive, to ascertain some basis of comparison.

Maths has failed us here I feel.

[Shindig]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-55785787

That's one hell of a delayed reaction.

[Magic]

My 83 year old gran refused the vaccine. :D

[Waffdon]

Retard genes runs in the family I suppose

[Disco]

She should lose her pension the selfish bitch.

[Magic]

Goes shopping twice a week too. :drool:

[7om]

:facepalm:

[Kikó]

Why did you refuse it?

[Spikey M]

Because she's a retard.

OR

Because the Scottish embrace death with gratitude.


Probably both.

[Magic]

Probably because she's massively depressed and a cunt to boot.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Today's numbers are good again for the 11th day in a row. There is a slight issue in Teesside, Tyneside and certain parts of the west midlands, but everywhere else cases are plummeting, hospital admissions are now definitely falling, and there's even the first hint that deaths are tapering off and should start to fall from maybe middle to end of this coming week.

One thing I've noticed is that it just will not / does not shift in Leicester. Is it restrictions fatigue from being in Tier 3 longer than anyone else, or are they uniquely bad at not following restrictions / continuing to spread the virus?

[Don]

Are you seeing the same in Luton, Bradford and Islamabad?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Slough and Hounslow.

[Alex]

Jimmy's daily update is the only daily update that I acknowledge now.

[7om]

Today’s numbers aren’t good though are they? They’re dog shit compared to any competent country.

[Shindig]

Italy: 13,000
Germany: 12,000
France: 24,000
Portugal: 15,000
Spain: 42,000. Clubs are open.

[Giggles]

Nearly everyone is doing shit at it. Too half assed an approach.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Today’s numbers aren’t good though are they? They’re dog shit compared to any competent country.

A good day is a day that is better than yesterday. That doesn't just apply in a pandemic.

[Lewis]

Unlucky for anyone going bald.

[phonics]

I'm against the death penalty but if an 83 year old is refusing the vaccine she should just be euthanised.

[Yevrah]

Love that liberal tolerance.

[Queenslander]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-55785787

That's one hell of a delayed reaction.

Queensland is still accepting flights from New Zealand which is sensible.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm against the death penalty but if an 83 year old is refusing the vaccine she should just be euthanised.

Would you euthanise the 73% of black people who are reportedly refusing it?

[Pepe]

No because they have valid reasons. Tuskegee, mate.

[7om]

A good day is a day that is better than yesterday. That doesn't just apply in a pandemic.

Sounds like a very subjective way to assess what is good.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm measuring good in terms of progress towards the UK getting out of the pandemic / the current heavy restrictions on our lives being lifted in some way. Currently I find this metric to be a realistic assessment of what 'good' might entail.

Not much I can do about 1,500 dying per day.

[phonics]

Would you euthanise the 73% of black people who are reportedly refusing it?

Source?

[Lewis]

Street knowledge.

[Giggles]

Source?

Do you post on Reddit?

[phonics]

Is asking for a source on 73% of black people being anti-vaxxers a bad thing?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Street knowledge.

Phonics would already have known if true.

[phonics]

Phonics would already have known if true.

I'm so sorry not all of us could have spent our pre-pandemic life indoors.

[Lewis]

'Would you bum your own dad for a grand?'
'Let's see the grand first.'

[Don]

Good scenes in Eindhoven as part of lockdown protests with some bricks being thrown into windows and a police car being torched up. I want similar in London by end of Feb.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Source?

SAGE research, per paragraph 10 here (it's actually 72%):

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Esbqgn4XcAABPz6?format=jpg&name=large

[phonics]

That would be this piece: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/952716/s0979-factors-influencing-vaccine-uptake-minority-ethnic-groups.pdf

Which is actually a completely different set of research based on their takeup of other vaccines such as influenza, meningitis C and rotavirus,and measles, mumps and rubella as a childand then applies the question “Imagine that a vaccine against COVID-19 was available for anyone who wanted it. How likely or unlikely would you be to take the vaccine?”. Possible responses: Very likely, Likely, Unlikely, Very unlikely, with the outcome being responding Very likely/Likel" to how they think the people involved in that study would respond.

2.1.Methods•Two cohort studies were undertaken using the QResearch database to assess disparities in vaccination uptake across ethnic groups amongchildren agedbelow 18 yearsand adults aged65 yearsand over. •This database comprisesover 12 million individuals registered at over 1,300 general practicesacross the UK. •The uptake ofinfluenza, meningitis C and rotavirus,and measles, mumpsandrubella (MMR)vaccines wereassessed in childrenaged under18 years.The uptake of influenzaandpneumococcal vaccines were assessed in those aged 65 years and older,andshingles vaccinein thoseaged 70and over. •Heterogeneity in vaccine uptake within individual general practices wasaccounted for. Logistic regression models were used to estimate the odds ratios for 8 ethnic groups compared to those of White ethnicity. Odds ratios (ORs; see Annex A) wereestimatedas unadjusted, adjusted for demographic factors, and then a ‘maximally adjusted’ model incorporating demographics and relevantcomorbidities

quite literally guessing.

[Don]

Ya, I reckon Jimmy might be a bit out of order with that post against our beloved BLMs. +1 for wishing death upon MJ's nan.

[phonics]

The entire world shutdown so her miserable cunt didn't die on a breathing tube 5 years too early. She gets Logan'd.

[Lewis]

You've conflated two different sections of that link. The sample figures for existing/previous vaccine uptakes is section two, and section three is a survey done a couple of months ago. That is where the seventy-two per cent figure comes from.

[Kikó]

We need the remain campaign to get back together to advocate for taking the vaccine.

[Queenslander]

I wonder if we will extend our quarantine to 21 days following the news out of NZ?

Apparently China are running with 21 days.

[Spikey M]

Just seen this on Twitter.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9182219/amp/Boris-Johnson-set-ahead-Australia-style-quarantine.html

RIP holidays.

[Baz]

Worth it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The new skill in holidays will be to find somewhere in the UK that is not full of twats of one sort of another.

I reckon random places that you wouldn't see as a holiday destination, but also aren't your house, could be the way forward.

[Spikey M]

I just put BBC News on in time to hear the words "easing restrictions is a long, long, long way off. Infact, they are looking at tightening..." at which point I hit the Netflix button and I'm watching a documentary about the Challenger Disaster to cheer me up.

[Shindig]

"Pack your bags, kids. We're going to the Falklands."

[Ian]

Well what a wonderful opportunity for Brits to rekindle our relationship with the likes of Blackpool and Skegness and be reminded that they're total shitholes.

[Baz]

Blackpool is the best.

Although Blackpool without pubs open is like going to the cinema with your eyes closed.

[Spikey M]

Seriously though, cases are coming down, approaching 10% of people being vaccinated, all positive news but they're tightening restrictions and warning that we may be stuck with this shit until July?

Something smells funny here.

[Magic]

Seriously though, cases are coming down, approaching 10% of people being vaccinated, all positive news but they're tightening restrictions and warning that we may be stuck with this shit until July?

Something smells funny here.

Probably because that's when BREXIT will be past the worst.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They have learned from last year when they continued with an optimistic outlook and looked to open up when they could, and got bitten by the second wave / new variant.

The new comms strategy is to crush all hope, instil fear and try to buy a bit of time for the vaccination that way. Hopefully this just means better expectation management.

It's interesting that in Israel, who are the only country a bit ahead of us with vaccination, hospitalisations have dived off the moon in the last few days having risen until that point. It'll be interesting to see if a similar thing happens here. Our hospitalisations are falling but not yet crashing like that.

[Ian]

Blackpool is the best.

Although Blackpool without pubs open is like going to the cinema with your eyes closed.

Blackpool is like a giant pound shop that's in final throes of a closing down sale.