Coronavirus Death Thread

[Queenslander]

The Supreme Leader of Western Australia has lost his mind further she is barely speaking Creole.


The Premier of WA and Aboriginal interpreters have teamed up to deliver an important message about COVID.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=250817940487626

[Don]

MSM trying to shut down this possible don on QT and not give him a breath to actually get his points out :happycry:

[Andy]

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The heirs of the Scottish Enlightenment.

2022: Spend 300k chopping up fire doors to help with ventilation
2023: Spend 30 million replacing now non compliant fire doors.

[niko_cee]

Yeah, I was wondering how that logic was going to work as well.

[Lofty]

The law of 'common sense' beats HSE apparently.

[Pepe]

Meanwhile, email sent to everyone at work:


[Mr. Director of Athletics],

Since you didn't reply to my email, I can only assume you really don't care about safety or policy at the [University's gym].

Since I last emailed you, I have abstained from going to the [University's gym] to work out (despite my desire to workout everyday) as I don't feel it is a safe environment since no one enforces or follows masking policy.

After seeing [President of the Uni]'s remark that the weight room was closed due to lack of masking compliance, I had hoped that perhaps you were taking your job more seriously. As a result, I went to the [University's gym] at 8am this morning hoping to avoid crowds and work out in relative safety.

As I entered, the women's lacrosse team occupied every treadmill and not a single player was masked. Not one. Their coach standing directly behind the treadmills was also unmasked. When I asked her why her players weren't masked, she replied: "Well, I can't see them. How would I know if they are wearing masks?" I was so mad that I left the [University's gym] without even starting my workout.

Am I incorrect, that the policy of the [University's gym] is that everyone, regardless of vaccination status, must be masked? Is the [University's gym] some sort of mask-free zone? Or do coaches and their players have some sort of special no-mask privilege? Or do you simply not have management skills to control the operations of your facility? Or perhaps you just don't care.

In my last email, I sent a list of suggestions. Let me add one more: an hour block (or two or three) in the [University's gym] for faculty and staff ONLY with heavy masking enforcement. No student and especially no athletes can walk through the [University's gym].

I just want to workout. When can I do so safely?

Dr. xxx
Professor of Film/Media Studies

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The saga continues.

After few days after that message was sent to everyone, we got the following email:


Dear Colleagues,

Thanks to the initiative of [xxx] and the responsiveness of [xxx], director of athletics & recreation, the [gym] has set aside "Vulnerable Population" hours: Monday - Friday, 9 AM - 9:45 AM.

[...]

Please share this good news with staff colleagues and retirees.


I, personally, was very happy for the vulnerable crowd, of course, but unfortunately, the same person sent this today:


My dear colleagues,

I'm afraid I spoke too soon.

Three days after instituting the [gym] vulnerable population hours, the gym staff apparently was told by "someone on the hill" that they are no longer supposed to enforce the policy by telling healthy students to leave during the _one_ hour of the day dedicated to at-risk people.

Essentially, the convenience of students is being prioritized over the health and safety of the people who make [the university] work:
staff, faculty, and retirees.

We're talking about people who need to exercise to stay healthy but also could _die_ if exposed to covid.

Are we willing to sacrifice these people who form part of the [university] "family" just so a student doesn't have to be bothered to find some other time in the day to work out?

I'm not. I'm going to do what I was doing before: tell every single student who is not covering their mouth and nose to mask up. I'm also going to tell them they don't belong there because vulnerable hours are for those like me who are actually vulnerable. I'm going to list the litany of conditions that make someone vulnerable. Basically, I'm going to make that hour really inconvenient for those students so that my colleagues can exercise in peace, without fearing for their lives.

And I plan to list this university service on my next merit review.

Sincerely,
[xxx]
she/her/hers/ella
Professor of English


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[Jimmy Floyd]

Yes, Pepe, but what about ME?

[niko_cee]

Pandemic officially over from Feb 17th. :cool:

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60319947

Oh fuck me, the seethe is going to be delicious.

[Yevrah]

After the initial shambles the government presided over they've pretty much nailed this since.

[Ben]

:drool:

[Baz]

When the film comes out people are gonna kick off at the ending.

Fade to black followed by text on screen:
People just stopped caring, and pretended nothing ever happened.
Boris won the next two elections and died of heart failure in 2029.
Sue Gray’s whereabouts was never discovered.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I forgot my mask at the shop today and got some right dirty looks from the old people. Listen, Mavis, death comes to us all, and your time is now, or soon. Deal with it.

[SvN]

Mask uptake is below 10% around here.

[Lewis]

We were lolling that we still have the vintage 2020 hand washing signs up at work, and it got me thinking about what it would have been like had the government drilled into people that it actually spreads THROUGH THE AIR THAT YOU BREATHE. I think the country might well have gone off its head during that early period.

[Spikey M]

https://deadline.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/contagion-e1580270147932.jpg

[Magic]

Still pretty common place up here unfortunately. Mask wearing has become an indicator of being a good person. Broken society. Get me out of here.

[Jimmy Floyd]

We were lolling that we still have the vintage 2020 hand washing signs up at work, and it got me thinking about what it would have been like had the government drilled into people that it actually spreads THROUGH THE AIR THAT YOU BREATHE. I think the country might well have gone off its head during that early period.

We have one in the toilet that talks about washing your hands if you've come back from Hubei province in the last 7 days. I should take it down and nick it for future antique value.

[Magic]

We were lolling that we still have the vintage 2020 hand washing signs up at work, and it got me thinking about what it would have been like had the government drilled into people that it actually spreads THROUGH THE AIR THAT YOU BREATHE. I think the country might well have gone off its head during that early period.

We're still getting pummelled with adverts with people breathing black death smoke and being told to open windows otherwise we'll die immediately.

[niko_cee]

I like that the SNP are now denying they ever said that all of the doors in schools ought to be sawn off at the knees.

[Lewis]

We have one in the toilet that talks about washing your hands if you've come back from Hubei province in the last 7 days. I should take it down and nick it for future antique value.

I have one of the distancing signs in the bathroom as a souvenir.

[Don]

I still get my kicks from wearing them. Usually the ones who don't are a bit scummy but it's about 40% still wearing them round these parts. Will probably pack them away in line with the legislation being scrapped.

[Magic]

A BARISTA asked me to wear a mask whilst getting a coffee and I said I didn't have one. He said 'let me try and find you one' and what ensued was the most awkward rummaging I've ever seen. He didn't find one, but it would have been awesome if he had.

[Ben]

10% at most where I am. Interestingly the 10% seems to be mostly made up of the self-righteous people in their 20's and 30's who shoot dirty looks at all around them, and the fossils that might get offed by COVID gave up caring along with the rest of us ages ago.

[randomlegend]

A BARISTA asked me to wear a mask whilst getting a coffee and I said I didn't have one. He said 'let me try and find you one' and what ensued was the most awkward rummaging I've ever seen. He didn't find one, but it would have been awesome if he had.

Bro were you gonna, like, say NO or something? That would've been insane XD

[Giggles]

Masks are pretty much worn across the board here where we’re supposed to.

[7om]

Good to see Deepti fighting the good fight still. She’s predictably seething again.

[Shindig]

I would say public transport will be the last holdout, but we're still masking up in the office. :moop:

[niko_cee]

I would say air travel will the the last thing to fully normalise, but then I see even Australia are letting [most] people in soon. New Zealand obviously a completely lost cause.

[Foe]

Masks still common in the supermarket, but the gym is back to near normality.

[Kikó]

We're still mask militant with no immediate end in sight. Entry into places are generally governed by 2g+ i.e. either booster or negative test that day.

[Giggles]

They should stay forever anyway.

[Shindig]

We're still mask militant with no immediate end in sight. Entry into places are generally governed by 2g+ i.e. either booster or negative test that day.

Their positivity rate is 40% which blows my mind. I thought the Germans were shit hot on testing.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I would say air travel will the the last thing to fully normalise, but then I see even Australia are letting [most] people in soon. New Zealand obviously a completely lost cause.

Air travel hasn't normalised from 2001 yet, so it'll be masks forever.

[Lofty]

I went in Pets at Home earlier and all staff were masked but no customers were :D

[Magic]

Bro were you gonna, like, say NO or something? That would've been insane XD

Erm...correct.

[Queenslander]

QR sign in has been scrapped in Queensland bar Pubs and other big Hospo places. Masks are still close to 100% on buses, supermarkets, chemists, Medical centres and of course there are still many people wearing masks while walking alone on the footpath while the temp is 35*/ surface temp is usually around 60*.

Absolute psycho virtue signalling.

[Don]

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[Spikey M]

My Neice has tested positive. She's the daughter of my Sister in Law. The one that makes her husband undress in the porch and go straight to the shower when he gets home from work.

It's really the best thing that could have happened for them. Hopefully it's a complete non-event for them like it is for most people and sanity can finally be restored to the household.

[Yevrah]

Masks are fine, a minor inconvenience at most, why wouldn't you WANT to wear one?

[Jimmy Floyd]

My Neice has tested positive. She's the daughter of my Sister in Law. The one that makes her husband undress in the porch and go straight to the shower when he gets home from work.

What, still? I'd have left her.

There was a good poll yesterday showing 48% of the population want mandatory (i.e. legally enforced) covid self-isolation FOREVER, with only 17% wanting it removed now.

[niko_cee]

Saw a Year 3 quasi-autistic [maybe he's full autistic, I don't know] kid having to be talked into school today by his mum due to his covid fears. He was masked up. Presumably this is on the back of the announcement to bin all restrictions from next week.

This whole business will definitely have a lasting effect. For most it'll just be not having had a proper education for a few years. Those on the behavioural fringes will probably have more problems. That said, a lot of that 'masks ruin the ability to speak' stuff sounds a bit like sensationalist nonsense being rolled out to satisfy a different agenda.

[Yevrah]

That said, a lot of that 'masks ruin the ability to speak' stuff sounds a bit like sensationalist nonsense being rolled out to satisfy a different agenda.

It does indeed and really all that needs to be said is "we don't need them anymore".

[Manc]

Masks are redundant now. I popped to the supermarket last week and the split was 50/50. We either all wear them or don't bother.

[Spikey M]

What, still? I'd have left her.

There was a good poll yesterday showing 48% of the population want mandatory (i.e. legally enforced) covid self-isolation FOREVER, with only 17% wanting it removed now.

I'm assuming, but last I heard - which wasn't too long ago - he was still doing it. In her defence, she has had cancer which must add a layer of fear, even if she's not currently undergoing treatment. It's just that the fear has gone completely overboard. She essentially needed this to happen to snap her out of it. 3 weeks and back to normality hopefully.

[Yevrah]

There was a good poll yesterday showing 48% of the population want mandatory (i.e. legally enforced) covid self-isolation FOREVER, with only 17% wanting it removed now.

It's sad, but not surprising, we've been deliberately brainwashed (for good reasons pre-vaccines, for less good reasons post) and that doesn't just go away overnight.

[Spikey M]

That said, a lot of that 'masks ruin the ability to speak' stuff sounds a bit like sensationalist nonsense being rolled out to satisfy a different agenda.

It's absolute guff, unless your kid is growing up in a weird cult that calls for masks at all times. Otherwise, we're to believe that mummy wearing one in a shop a few times a week has caused speech impairment? Load of bollocks.

[Magic]

Masks ruin the ability to correctly perceive emotions. For children, it must be very confusing indeed and wouldn't surprise me if there was long term emotional implications for them. Horrifying.

[Ben]

What, still? I'd have left her.

There was a good poll yesterday showing 48% of the population want mandatory (i.e. legally enforced) covid self-isolation FOREVER, with only 17% wanting it removed now.

Was that the YouGov one? Most people who do those polls are mental and non-representative and I don't believe YouGov's weightings are accurate one bit.

[Shindig]

Spoken like a true spastic, Magic.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The same stuff has shown up in all polls across all pollsters during the pandemic, and YouGov don't make their money by acquiring useless, inaccurate information. The public are just a bunch of reactionary weirdos.

I think I've said this before on here but imagine a street somewhere near you, think of each house and think of all the monstrously dull (often old) people who live in them. These are the people racking up these numbers on polls.

[Yevrah]

Was that the YouGov one? Most people who do those polls are mental and non-representative and I don't believe YouGov's weightings are accurate one bit.

They're skewed towards 'Mrs 45', but my guess would be there are a fuckton of Mrs 45's who want this shitshow to continue.

[Spikey M]

Masks ruin the ability to correctly perceive emotions. For children, it must be very confusing indeed and wouldn't surprise me if there was long term emotional implications for them. Horrifying.

If we were wearing them around the clock, sure. We aren't and never have been. Maybe Soviet Scotland is different.

[Magic]

If we were wearing them around the clock, sure. We aren't and never have been. Maybe Soviet Scotland is different.

In social settings where it's important...?

[Shindig]

Have you been stalking the bairn again?

[Waffdon]

Kids don’t ever need to wear masks so what are you on about?

[Shindig]

Heed's gan.

[Spikey M]

In social settings where it's important...?

Specifically?

[Spikey M]

Kids don’t ever need to wear masks so what are you on about?

I think he means adults wearing masks around them, but I'm struggling to think of a setting where that's the case during the years that speech develops.

[wullie]

Not being able to perceive emotions of supermarket shoppers can only ever be a good thing.

[randomlegend]

Masks ruin the ability to correctly perceive emotions. For children, it must be very confusing indeed and wouldn't surprise me if there was long term emotional implications for them. Horrifying.

I worried about this when masks first came in, but it simply isn't true. Kids can absolutely read your emotions, pick up on smiling, etc. despite masks.

[randomlegend]

Anyone believing that speech and language Twitter post has brain damage.

[Giggles]

Watching Ardern having press conferences about riots is rather heartwarming. Not a great deal of smugness now.

[Ben]

It’s pretty batshit that they’re still cancelling weddings over 250 cases as we’re ready to fuck it off completely.

[Shindig]

They're just stepping out into the unknown. They have no idea what those case numbers mean because they've never allowed the lid to come off. The Aussies should give them the numbers they need, really.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Two years in, it finally got me. Feels like mild man flu at the moment.

[Andy]

Two years in, it finally got me. Feels like mild man flu at the moment.

Hopefully it stays like that. When my wife got it in December she was fine after the first day of illness.

[Spikey M]

Two years in, it finally got me. Feels like mild man flu at the moment.

A minimum of 5 days gaming and TV. :cool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

More like 3 days of a return to the horrors of Outlook for Web on a tiny laptop screen under a barrage of pressure from tearful customers, and 2 days of gaming and TV.

Although last night as the temperate set in I spent 2 hours watching youtube of a man trying to walk across Wales in a dead straight line, so maybe delirium is an additional symptom.

[SvN]

This is a strategic move by the Arab. You'll be reporting to him when you get back.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He's already sent me a Teams message saying I AM SORRY, I AM SO SO SORRY because what an Arab loves more than anything else in life is a bit of needless dramatics.

It's made me think of this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUDjRZ30SNo) for the first time in years though, so I'm the net winner.

[Waffdon]

More like 3 days of a return to the horrors of Outlook for Web on a tiny laptop screen under a barrage of pressure from tearful customers, and 2 days of gaming and TV.

Although last night as the temperate set in I spent 2 hours watching youtube of a man trying to walk across Wales in a dead straight line, so maybe delirium is an additional symptom.

Geoguesser :cool:

[Spikey M]

Anyone working with the Covid "get out of work free card" in their possession only has themselves to blame. Especially if you are actually ill.

[Ben]

This is where you put the knife to Barney. Let it be known you deserve every penny of your 44k because you toughed it out through COVID.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Ben knows. Advancement in this work environment requires old fashioned macho values, something with which I am of course naturally associated anyway.

[Ben]

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[Alex]

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These kinds of people fascinate and horrify me in equal measure. The profile picture is "#MasksInSchool", you click on their account and it's just 90% re-circulation of (mostly over the top, "panic stations!" type) Covid tweets.

Will we ever get these people back, do you think? Sort of usher them back into the realms of normality, I mean? I fear not, for a lot of them.

I can only imagine that their lives were that monumentally uninteresting prior to this (and I say this as somebody who doesn't consider his own life to be particularly interesting) that they're desperate for it to remain front and centre forever as it gives them a sense of living through something "significant". Being part of a future history lesson or something. It's just how they define their existence now.

[Spikey M]

One of the mums at the school is like that. The only mask at the gate. She is gutted (GUTTED) that it's over and people are moving on.

They pretend they're the good people with pure intentions, but you just know they're seething when SAGE's worse case scenario doesn't pan out. Fucking ghouls.

[Alex]

One of the mums at the school is like that. The only mask at the gate. She is gutted (GUTTED) that it's over and people are moving on.

They pretend they're the good people with pure intentions, but you just know they're seething when SAGE's worse case scenario doesn't pan out. Fucking ghouls.

In forty years time you will probably have to occasionally explain to your grandkids why there is the odd nutcase of our generation wandering down the street in a mask and avoiding all other people by a minimum of two metres like their life depends on it.

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-60353207

Ebola Lite is in the country. :D

[Shindig]

I think Tesco's lost the fight. 3 masks in the whole shop tonight. Feels good.

[Jimmy Floyd]

My working from home this afternoon involved lying asleep in bed and drooling over the keyboard for a couple of minutes if I heard the outlook notification sound. Full letter of apology to Deepti incoming, let's hashtag mask up, it's OUR CHILDREN who will die if society is not permanently shut down now.

[Lofty]

Barney has started referring to you as 'the sick man of Europe' in your absence.

[Yevrah]

I think Tesco's lost the fight. 3 masks in the whole shop tonight. Feels good.

Was Giggles in?

[Giggles]

I was in Tesco this morning indeed. Every person, staff and customer, was masked. Life is easier in a community.

[Yevrah]

Easier? No Covid in your community then?

[Giggles]

Not as easily spread because of lower defiance levels.

[Shindig]

I dunno. 30% positivity indicates plenty of community spread.

[Ben]

Epidemics only end when they instead become endemics. That means mass immunity. It's going to get everyone eventually. You're just trying to delay the inevitable.

[Spikey M]

Not as easily spread because of lower defiance levels.

It's appearing at school and at home, not in Tesco.

[Giggles]

It's appearing at school and at home, not in Tesco.

It’s a measure of decency too though.

[Spikey M]

It's a measure of people that care about being seen to be decent. At least here it is, where the rules don't include wearing masks.

If the rules said I had to, I still would if I had it with me.

[Magic]

It’s a measure of decency too though.

Knowing muzzles think this is pure validation. :drool:

[Giggles]

“Muzzles” :D

The calling card of a crank.

[Yevrah]

Talking of decency measures, remember when Spikey was set upon for wondering whether to vaccinate his kids?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb1Xm1uaedU

"Why wouldn't you?" "Why would you not have a vaccine".

Rofl.

[randomlegend]

Talking of decency measures, remember when Spikey was set upon for wondering whether to vaccinate his kids?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hb1Xm1uaedU

"Why wouldn't you?" "Why would you not have a vaccine".

Rofl.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0


Vaccination for SARS-CoV-2 in adults was associated with a small increase in the risk of myocarditis within a week of receiving the first dose of both adenovirus and mRNA vaccines, and after the second dose of both mRNA vaccines. By contrast, SARS-CoV-2 infection was associated with a substantial increase in the risk of hospitalization or death from myocarditis, pericarditis and cardiac arrhythmia.

Rofl indeed.

[randomlegend]

What actually matters is whether the vaccine generally reduces the risk of cardiac sequelae in those who get infected after they have been vaccinated. I can't find any data on that.

[Yevrah]

Please tell me that isn't comparing the risk of all adults getting heart problems from having COVID vs. all adults getting heart problems from the vaccine?

[Yevrah]

What actually matters is whether the vaccine generally reduces the risk of cardiac sequelae in those who get infected after they have been vaccinated. I can't find any data on that.

The point was specifically in relation to kids and young people being vaccinated and whether it was worth it, it sounds like you're gagging to include Doris in any analysis into this.

[Ben]

The vaccine risk of myocarditis vs. infection risk is much more equal at lower ages (and might even tip the other way at very low ages). That study is very generalised to be honest. Kind of an all vs. all comparison.

[Yevrah]

And are you really saying it doesn't matter whether young people are subject to 84 times the risk of myocarditis having been vaccinated or did I misread that?

[randomlegend]

The point was specifically in relation to kids and young people being vaccinated and whether it was worth it, it sounds like you're gagging to include Doris in any analysis into this.

Nah, it's just that videos like the one you posted are such a narrow and incomplete viewpoint.

Perhaps I was overly evangelical about vaccinating kids at the time, I honestly can't remember and I'm well aware I'm not above being wrong. I still think I would vaccinate my kid if I had one.

[randomlegend]

And are you really saying it doesn't matter whether young people are subject to 84 times the risk of myocarditis having been vaccinated or did I misread that?

The numbers I'm going to give are purely hypothetical, I'm just trying to explain the point.

Say you have a 50 times greater risk of X complication after a vaccine. However, if you catch the illness the vaccine protects against whilst being unvaccinated, you have 1000 times risk of X.

If the vaccine reduces the 1000 times risk of X after infection to 5 times risk of X after infection, then the risk-benefit is greatly in favour of vaccination despite the initial risk it itself confers (provided it is sufficiently likely that the person will catch the illness at some point, which with covid it obviously is).

You then also have to take into account whether vaccination reduces the risks of Y, Z, A, B and C as well (and of course whether it might increase the risk of D, E, F, G, and H).

I don't know the numbers off the top of my head for this specific example and they are not that easy to find from a quick google. I'm just trying to explain why it's not as simple as "vaccine increases risk of X = bad don't' take".

[Ben]

Everyone needs to have the choice above all else. I am vaccinated but I got myocarditis so have not had the booster. I probably wouldn’t have my children vaccinated because I don’t see enough risk to them but when they’re old enough they can make their own choice without judgement.

I go to Austria for work now and again and in seven weeks time I won’t be allowed to enter because I haven’t had a booster and my second vaccine would have been over 270 days ago. Being excluded because of a choice is a slippery slope.

[Yevrah]

The numbers I'm going to give are purely hypothetical, I'm just trying to explain the point.

Say you have a 50x greater risk of X complication after a vaccine. However, if you catch the illness the vaccine protects against whilst being unvaccinated, you have 1000x risk of X.

If the vaccine reduces the 1000x risk of X after infection to 5x risk of X after infection, then the risk-benefit is greatly in favour of vaccination despite the initial risk it confers itself (provided it is sufficiently likely that the person will catch the illness at some point, which with covid it obviously is).

You then also have to take into account whether vaccination reduces the risks of Y, Z, A, B and C as well.

I don't know the numbers off the top of my head and they are not that easy to find from a quick google. I'm just trying to explain why it's not as simple as "vaccine increased risk of X = bad".

I get that if 12 year olds are at an 84 times risk of myocarditis from the vaccine, but a 99 times risk of it from catching COVID then the vaccine is worth them having, but is that the case? I know there's a risk generally of it from COVID, but generally includes 80 year olds and we shouldn't even be factoring people my age into a decision on vaccinating kids, let alone pensioners.

[randomlegend]

Everyone needs to have the choice above all else. I am vaccinated but I got myocarditis so have not had the booster. I probably wouldn’t have my children vaccinated because I don’t see enough risk to them but when they’re old enough they can make their own choice without judgement.

I go to Austria for work now and again and in seven weeks time I won’t be allowed to enter because I haven’t had a booster and my second vaccine would have been over 270 days ago. Being excluded because of a choice is a slippery slope.

If you had vaccine related myocarditis surely you can get a medical exemption?

[Ben]

I can if I want but my brother can’t and he is firmly in the “fuck that” camp after finding out it happened to me.

Not hospitalised, but not pleasant.

[randomlegend]

I get that if 12 year olds are at an 84 times risk of myocarditis from the vaccine, but a 99 times risk of it from catching COVID then the vaccine is worth them having,

Only if vaccinating decreases their subsequent risk of getting myocarditis if they are later infected sufficiently. This is why it's complicated.


but is that the case? I know there's a risk generally of it from COVID, but generally includes 80 year olds and we shouldn't even be factoring people my age into a decision on vaccinating kids, let alone pensioners.

Yes, as I said, I'm not sure and you'd need the paediatric specific data. There's some vague references I can find saying covid myocarditis is most common among the very young and very old but nothing worth hanging your hat on. I'd be surprised if it was so dramatically different from the adult data as to make it a no-brainer, but nobody should be relying on my hunches.

[Yevrah]

Only if vaccinating decreases their subsequent risk of getting myocarditis if they are later infected sufficiently. This is why it's complicated.

If it doesn't reduce the risk that'd be more reason to be hesitant about vaccinating your kid, which surely is the position you'd start from if they're 84 times more likely to develop myocarditis if vaccinated.




Yes, as I said, I'm not sure and you'd need the paediatric specific data. There's some vague references I can find saying covid myocarditis is most common among the very young and very old but nothing worth hanging your hat on. I'd be surprised if it was so dramatically different from the adult data as to make it a no-brainer, but nobody should be relying on my hunches.

Given we know COVID is dramatically different in terms of overall impact in kids vs. adults over 40 wouldn't it be likely specific impacts are lessened too?

[Spikey M]

For me it comes down to who benefits. If my kids benefit from a vaccine (Measles, TB, Flu, etc.) then they'll have it. If they don't benefit from it, and are potentially at greater risk from the vaccine than the disease, but society benefits... well shucks, looks like society can sit on my midget head and spin. Pensioners first please.

[randomlegend]

If it doesn't reduce the risk that'd be more reason to be hesitant about vaccinating your kid,

Yes I know. I'm pointing out/acknowledging there's complexity from both sides of the argument.



Given we know COVID is dramatically different in terms of overall impact in kids vs. adults over 40 wouldn't it be likely specific impacts are lessened too?

Not necessarily. It would sound equally logical to say that if the vaccine confers a higher risk of myocarditis to children than adults then wouldn't it be likely that the infection also confers a higher risk of myocarditis to kids than adults.

[Don]

Shut up and get boosted, you soft shites.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/12/scientists-plead-caution-covid-restrictions-lifted-england

They're still at it :D

[Yevrah]

:D

You'd genuinely be better served listening to me when the next variant of concern turns up rather than some of these charlatans.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've been thinking (this is only day 2 of isolation, so still plenty more to do) about the relationship between covid and the law. Yesterday I was mildly ill with it, today all my symptoms are well on the retreat and I imagine that by tomorrow they'll be gone. If this was one of the many such illnesses I've had in my life, I would have been out for a short walk tomorrow for some fresh air and to gather strength before returning to the office on Monday, maybe even pop into the shop for a couple of bits.

However, with covid all of the above is not just warned against, but ILLEGAL, and I'm not allowed to leave my two rooms for any reason until Wednesday morning. We really need to redefine that set of relationships pretty soon, because it's quite absurd.

Deepti would tell me I was being SELFISH to want to go for a walk, but I'm afraid, Deepti, that's just life.

[Don]

Yes, experiencing the virus seems to lead to a certain enlightenment that many find hard to achieve in the face of the media narrative.

[Spikey M]

I've been thinking (this is only day 2 of isolation, so still plenty more to do) about the relationship between covid and the law. Yesterday I was mildly ill with it, today all my symptoms are well on the retreat and I imagine that by tomorrow they'll be gone. If this was one of the many such illnesses I've had in my life, I would have been out for a short walk tomorrow for some fresh air and to gather strength before returning to the office on Monday, maybe even pop into the shop for a couple of bits.

However, with covid all of the above is not just warned against, but ILLEGAL, and I'm not allowed to leave my two rooms for any reason until Wednesday morning. We really need to redefine that set of relationships pretty soon, because it's quite absurd.

Deepti would tell me I was being SELFISH to want to go for a walk, but I'm afraid, Deepti, that's just life.

I said this to the wife when we had it a couple of weeks ago. We wouldn't have even broke stride for it had that 2nd red line not appeared. It was absolutely mental that it lead to atleast one of us not being able to leave the house, without breaking the law, for nearly a whole month.

I fucked it off in the end and went for a drive. Say it's for your "mental health" or something. Load of bollocks.

[Giggles]

If you trot out mental health you can get away with anything.

[Spikey M]

Yes, experiencing the virus seems to lead to a certain enlightenment that many find hard to achieve in the face of the media narrative.

I get the whole "it's nothing for you, but it could kill the vulnerable!!!!" argument, but there are fucking thousands of viruses and bacteria that kill the vulnerable. There's only one we do this for.

[Ben]

Especially now if you look at the tweet I posted the other day. COVID death rate is down to around 1.5x that of flu now, so we’re getting into territory where if you continue to justify isolation for COVID then logically you’d need to isolate for flu. The arguments are becoming less rational every day.

[Shindig]

Yep. Our numbers are just collapsing now with 2000 empty hospital beds week on week. We've got 2 in intensive care for the whole county. Ending isolation might bring the numbers up but it really has to rocket to influence the hospitals.

[Magic]

Imagine STILL knowing about occupied beds in hospitals. :harold:

[Spikey M]

We've got 2 in intensive care for the whole county.

Last time I saw it on the news we still has a couple of hundred dying a day. How can we only have 2 in intensive care?

[Kikó]

Not everyone is admitted to intensive care?

[Spikey M]

200 dying a day and only 2 make it to ICU? Are the NHS just not bothering to save people anymore then? Another e-victory for Lewis.

[Kikó]

They're probably all being hit by buses.

[Ben]

Shinners might mean two a day being admitted to ICU? Last count I think was 384 on ventilation and that’s coming down rapidly. A lot of deaths these days are incidental (positive test but other contributors to death) because excess deaths aren’t really above the baseline.

[Manc]

Enough optimism. When's the next variant coming to town?

[Giggles]

Was only thinking yesterday that I must get myself to a pub before the next one rolls in.

[Yevrah]

Especially now if you look at the tweet I posted the other day. COVID death rate is down to around 1.5x that of flu now, so we’re getting into territory where if you continue to justify isolation for COVID then logically you’d need to isolate for flu. The arguments are becoming less rational every day.

Deepti and her ilk aren't so tone deaf that they haven't realised this and have therefore chucked flu into the mix of viruses "we should be doing more about".

We need to be looking at cars while we're at it, they're fucking dangerous.

[Kikó]

They are. Ban them.

[Shindig]

Shinners might mean two a day being admitted to ICU? Last count I think was 384 on ventilation and that’s coming down rapidly. A lot of deaths these days are incidental (positive test but other contributors to death) because excess deaths aren’t really above the baseline.

Nope. County Durham and Darlington NHS trust. 2 total.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=nhsTrust&areaName=County%20Durham%20and%20Darlington%20NHS% 20Foundation%20Trust

London accounts for over a third of England's ICU patients.

[Spikey M]

Well they're not getting any of my Easter Eggs this year.

[Ben]

Nope. County Durham and Darlington NHS trust. 2 total.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare?areaType=nhsTrust&areaName=County%20Durham%20and%20Darlington%20NHS% 20Foundation%20Trust

London accounts for over a third of England's ICU patients.

Sorry I thought you meant national. I can't read.

[randomlegend]

I also read it as country.

[Shindig]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-60362529

Just full on noise them to death.

[Spikey M]

:D what a country.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Still testing positive. Much longer in solitary confinement and I'm going to stray deep into heads have gone territory I reckon. Brain is like a foggy mess.

[Pepe]

Just go for a walk.

[Boydy]

Get in your racing seat and go for a drive.

[Magic]

I've probably got it again (:harold:) or perhaps the cold. We shall never know.

[Spikey M]

Why, do colds put you in hospital too?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

How long until he's claiming that he's dying?

[randomlegend]

Let's hope it's not just claiming this time.

[Magic]

I do feel like shit overall, but no worse than a cold. Still going about my daily business. :)

[Spikey M]

Is there some kind of Newsletter we can sign up for?

[Don]

It's a good job Jimmy's boss did make him go into the office for the last 2 years, you ain't ready for the truth we've all had to endure over the course of that period.

[Shindig]

Get in your racing seat and go for a drive.

To Barnard Castle.

[John Arne]

I decided to actually read about these Canada/US protests... are they seriously protesting over the fact that a country is requiring a Covid vaccine to enter, or quarantine??

The fuck is wrong with these people? Why have grown-ass adults suddenly turned into 12 year year old kids having a tantrum?

[Kikó]

Because it's not an organic protest and funded by those with an interest in destabilising both nations.

[Spikey M]

I decided to actually read about these Canada/US protests... are they seriously protesting over the fact that a country is requiring a Covid vaccine to enter, or quarantine??

The fuck is wrong with these people? Why have grown-ass adults suddenly turned into 12 year year old kids having a tantrum?

Are they the problem? I am triple vaccinated. So is my wife. So is my next door neighbour. Still caught Covid.

I think it's pretty clear now that the vaccines absolutely do not stop you from catching - and spreading - Covid. So what is the point in banning the unvaccinated? It's just punishing them for not doing what they're told, isn't it? It serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever.

[John Arne]

Are they the problem? I am triple vaccinated. So is my wife. So is my next door neighbour. Still caught Covid.

I think it's pretty clear now that the vaccines absolutely do not stop you from catching - and spreading - Covid. So what is the point in banning the unvaccinated? It's just punishing them for not doing what they're told, isn't it? It serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever.

You aren't serious, right?
1) Nobody ever said the vaccine would stop you getting the virus
2) The vaccine clearly massive reduces both the chance of catching it, and the severity if you do catch it

Surely this still isn't being debated...??

[Spikey M]

You aren't serious, right?
1) Nobody ever said the vaccine would stop you getting the virus
2) The vaccine clearly massive reduces both the chance of catching it, and the severity if you do catch it

Surely this still isn't being debated...??

https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o298

40-50% reduction in spread. So what? Lots of vaccinated people are still catching and spreading it and it's already spreading in the community anyway.

What does severity matter? I am just as likely to spread it if I have mild or severe Covid.

What is the purpose of denying unvaccinated people access to societies that have fully rolled out the vaccine? To protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated? Lol.

[John Arne]

A country has a responsibility to protect it's citizens, including those who decided not to get vaccinated, or those couldn't for whatever reason. Therefore, it seems incredibly reasonable for a country to require a non-citizens to have had the vaccine to enter, therefore, reducing the risk to their citizens.

Perhaps I'm missing something, because this seems like really obvious stuff to me.

[Giggles]

Are they the problem? I am triple vaccinated. So is my wife. So is my next door neighbour. Still caught Covid.

I think it's pretty clear now that the vaccines absolutely do not stop you from catching - and spreading - Covid. So what is the point in banning the unvaccinated? It's just punishing them for not doing what they're told, isn't it? It serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever.

There was never an expectation that a vaccine would stop you catching it. It's actually scary the amount of people that thought that was ever the case.

[Spikey M]

A country has a responsibility to protect it's citizens, including those who decided not to get vaccinated, or those couldn't for whatever reason. Therefore, it seems incredibly reasonable for a country to require a non-citizens to have had the vaccine to enter, therefore, reducing the risk to their citizens.

Perhaps I'm missing something, because this seems like really obvious stuff to me.

You are missing the fact that the virus is already RUNNING RIOT within the community. Unvaccinated Johnny TwoCoughs turning up makes zero difference.

[Ben]

Here's some stats regarding UK:

Moderately strong positive correlation (0.4500678) at local authority level between current case rates and vaccination rates.
Moderately strong negative correlation (-0.4641396) at local authority level between current case rates and previous infection rates.

Basically vaccines are doing nothing to stifle transmission; the only way to end the pandemic is through mass infection. Vaccines are almost exclusively of benefit to the person receiving it, rather than also protecting those around you. If healthcare is under no threat of being completely overwhelmed, then mandating a vaccine to do certain things in society doesn't sit right with me. If people want to take their chances of being infected without vaccine protection, that's on them. But to have the choice is vital.

[Spikey M]

There was never an expectation that a vaccine would stop you catching it. It's actually scary the amount of people that thought that was ever the case.

I didn't say there was. I am pointing out that stopping people entering your country for not having a vaccine that doesn't stop transmission is absolute wibble.

[Don]

The government of Novakstan are inundated with citizenship applications and have announced a 3 month delay in responses as a result.

[Shindig]

My main argument against vaccine mandates is that 'Do this or else' isn't convincing anyone to turn. Catching the virus and winding up in intensive care does more than a vaccine mandate ever will.

[Magic]

My main argument against vaccine mandates is that 'Do this or else' isn't convincing anyone to turn. Catching the virus and winding up in intensive care does more than a vaccine mandate ever will.

Or catching it and being fine lol.

[Waffdon]

I can’t catch Covid for the 2nd time for the life of me. I’ve never actually tested positive as the first time I didn’t bother going for a PCR as it was way back when everything was in lockdown and I worked from home anyway. Only reason im pretty confident in having it was losing smell and taste for a few days.

Im definitely catching it the start of April for when I go on my med cruise

[randomlegend]

I've still never had it.

[Manc]

Likewise. Does it even exist? Who can be sure.

[Kikó]

I've heard it's actually the flu

[Spikey M]

It's similar, but the Flu is nasty for everyone, not just the vulnerable and Scottish WiFi Technicians.

[Yevrah]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60406155

Gotta use those current and on order full price vaccines up.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm still testing positive on day 7 not having had symptoms since day 2, and very bored of it now. I went to the shop earlier for some milk, in flagrant contempt for Queen and country. Might just go back to work tomorrow.

[Yevrah]

Jesus Jim, what happened to "if my government tell me to do something, I'll do it"?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Looks like I added some terms and conditions.

[Giggles]

I’m disappointed.

[Shindig]

Infect the power structure. Seize the means of production.

[Don]

:drool:

They'll be looking to siphon the vaccine from their bodies soon.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Tested neg and back in the office, thank fuck. The air is sweet and clear.

[Spikey M]

I "tested negative" as well Jim. ;)

[Magic]

5-11 year old being offered. Massive arguments with the ex ahoy. :drool:

[Baz]

I'm still testing positive on day 7 not having had symptoms since day 2, and very bored of it now. I went to the shop earlier for some milk, in flagrant contempt for Queen and country. Might just go back to work tomorrow.

Mad man.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I "tested negative" as well Jim. ;)

It took me a while but I finally learned just to swab the nose and not the throat. So much virus in the throat.

[Raoul Duke]

Great way to open up some new opportunities for promotion by wiping out the old codgers

[Ben]

Those bungs might disappear fast.

[Lofty]

Is there a financial incentive for surgeries to offload flu jabs? Had mine in September through work, surgery called me today for the third time to offer me one despite me explaining everytime 'completed it mate'. Had one every year since I had pneumonia at uni.

[Yevrah]

Come on Lofty, you know pharmaceutical products have nothing to do with revenue or profit.

[Magic]

Another limp lunged cunt.

[Kikó]

It's probably all about the sweet sweet money rather than say, poor IT systems.

[Yevrah]

It's probably all about the sweet sweet money rather than say, poor IT systems.

It obviously will be on this occasion, but I'd never want to miss an opportunity to correct someone thinking otherwise. It is NEVER about the money when it comes to pharmaceutical companies - they do it all for the love of humanity and never overstep that boundary for profit.

[Magic]

Volume targets to hit. :drool:

[Lofty]

Another limp lunged cunt.

Somehow more bulletproof than you during this pandemic though.

[Spikey M]

The "somehow" is presumably because you're not too thick to have the vaccine.

[Magic]

Somehow more bulletproof than you during this pandemic though.

https://i.postimg.cc/MpP595k3/Lofty.jpg

[niko_cee]

Don't think I'll be getting my 5 to 11 year olds vaccinated unless not doing so becomes a ballache in other fields (travel etc). It seems monumentally unnecessary and I'm not entirely sure what the underlying rationale would be. All of the learning to live with it stuff can be equally achieved by just fucking the whole thing off and treating it the same as any other respiratory virus. I could probably be convinced if they came up with a nasal flu type equivalent delivery system.

[Yevrah]

It's very good that it's not mandatory, but if people want their kids to have one then fine that should be their call. If I had kids (a hard one to imagine, so how could I really know) I doubt I'd do it as as you say, it presents so little risk. Thinking back to the conversation with RL the other day, if COVID was causing heart (or any) problems in kids we'd know about it and it doesn't stop transmission, so there's very little reason left to do it when factoring in the risks.

[Spikey M]

My little one had to have a blood test last year and it took 3 of us to hold her still while she screamed the roof off the building. A virus would have to be pose atleast a moderate threat for me to go through that ordeal. Never mind this bollocks, which she has lolled at twice. Especially
when the vaccine is atleast as "dangerous" as the illness in her age group.

Nah.

[Ben]

I'm no expert but it just makes no sense to me.

[Spikey M]

I imagine it's for the parents that have been on social media declaring it DISGUSTING that Tilly-Mae and Tyler-Tyler are being left AT RISK.

Uptake will be less than 50% and you'd hope they just leave well enough alone. Pushy headteachers will be the real problem now.

[Kikó]

I'd give it to the daughter but I'm a genocidal maniac.

[Lewis]

https://i.postimg.cc/MpP595k3/Lofty.jpg

:lol:

[Shindig]

I'm sure my sister's thrilled about convincing the bairn to go stay still for the jab. He bounced off it after an afternoon so I'd fancy the kid's chances against a future wave.

Covid levels in ICU's are at a 7 month low, lads. And they'll keep going down. The thread will get archived in summer.

[Pepe]

I don't know what is more lol. Lofty portrayed as a sasquatch or Magic portrayed as a tall, muscular human.

[Giggles]

I don't know what is more lol. Lofty portrayed as a sasquatch or Magic portrayed as a human.

Fixed.

[Magic]

:D

[Boydy]

1494804020279615489

[Lofty]

:D

Some excellent dragging of those grifting cunts on twitter and in the papers now, finally.

[Spikey M]

TTH 10 steps ahead as always. :cool:

#ENFPSquad

[Magic]

:drool:

[Lewis]

The charity was clearly a wheeze to provide them with jobs, but, beyond that, they aren't doing anything bent. There will be loads of pointless charities and third sector shit paying idiots a SIX FIGURE SALARY up and down the land, so that seems like a weird thing to focus on. The comparison with the RSPCA equivalent 'only' earning that just makes you ask why are they earning that at all? They look after cats and turn a blind eye to gypos.

[Giggles]

You’ve taken on quite the role as the contrarian to absolutely everything lately. Someone else used to do that here but I can’t remember who it was.

[Lewis]

As I said, it's clearly a job creation scheme (and I've been lolling at the family all along), but, in terms of the specifics of it, how did people think charities and foundations like this worked? It's obviously going to be a big slice of their revenues if they've only just started, and presumably they have some intention of growing the thing, if only as an ego trip. I think they're a bit of an easy target.

[Lofty]

To be fair the RSPCA don't exist purely to just skim their donations and hand a pittance onwards to Cats Protection, Dogs Trust etc. Not saying the RSPCA aren't shit, but the Captain Tom foundation was just taking money and then palming off small donations to The Royal British Legion, Mind etc in which case why wasn't it just a facebook page saying 'these are charities the old fella liked' rather than skimming a million quid into 4 x £40k 'grants'.

All charities skim but most at least actually do something other than just exist as a middle man.

[Lewis]

I think their argument would be that they have just started so wanted to keep some money in reserve whilst they work out exactly what they are doing (logistically and in terms of donations), and if she was making a full-time job of building/running something with a national profile then her salary isn't really all that outrageous. If they're still sitting on a pile of unspent donations and paying themselves ten per cent of the revenue five years from now then fair enough, but at the minute it doesn't seem all that suspicious.

[Lofty]

Didn't they also apply for planning permission to extend their kitchen at their mansion through the foundation?

[Lewis]

Occupational health must have criticised their hybrid workspace. Let's hope they can get the tax back on it.

[Spikey M]

The Queen has Covid.

[Magic]

Hopefully she dies.

[Spikey M]

That could easily rob us of that 4 day bank holiday in June.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Any news on possible successors? Nicola Sturgeon would be my pick.

[niko_cee]

That could easily rob us of that 4 day bank holiday in June.

Yeah, but you get a week or mourning instead, and then all the coronation stuff.

I guess probably get the jubilee bank holidays out of the way first ideally.

[Spikey M]

I'm looking forward to the seethe when Charlie doesn't allow it to go straight to Wills like some people seem to be expecting.

[Jimmy Floyd]

'Business leaders' will ensure we don't get more than a quick minute's silence when the time comes.

[niko_cee]

"I hadn't realised the Queen had died . . ."

[Magic]

Who are we locking down to protect when a 407 year old crone only has cold like symptoms ffs.

[Spikey M]

With the vaccine rolled out, a new Covid-Lite variant and effective medicine now available, that's a very good question.

All rules end on Thursday here. :drool:

Shame holidays abroad will remain a shambles.

[Magic]

And up here.

[Lofty]

I'm looking forward to the seethe when Charlie doesn't allow it to go straight to Wills like some people seem to be expecting.

Surely that is nailed on since she said it's alright for Camilla to be queen consort, no point making the statement otherwise.

[Ben]

So Liz, 95, apparently has no more than a sniffle. Any logical arguments for isolation to remain enforceable or tests to remain free to support the obsessive nose swab addiction people have developed are surely dead in the water now.

[Lewis]

1495752376774451200

It's over. They can't get any stupider.

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60486323

:D

[Manc]

On my first train in months and I'm surrounded by sniffling cunts.

[Kikó]

Similarly, the experience of getting on a plane has worsened. This has taken 30 minutes to get to the door. And I'm wearing a mask.

[Don]

On my first train in months and I'm surrounded by sniffling cunts.

Just think of the collaboration and CHANCE MEETINGS IN THE LIFTS to get you through.

[Spikey M]

Similarly, the experience of getting on a plane has worsened. This has taken 30 minutes to get to the door. And I'm wearing a mask.

Hopefully you don't have to wear scrubs to dinner this time.

[Kikó]

I'm only having BEER with MATES this time.

[Spikey M]

Cheers for the invite fella nice one.

[phonics]

I was at the pub the other night and was saying to someone that I've just moved here and am struggling to find people/places to do activites like 5 a side etc. and she reccomends I join some Facebook group. I did so and it took less than 48 hours for me to see a post of a guy bleating on abiout how the COVID vaccine had made him a cripple. I hate that fucking website.

[Luca]

Should have just asked for her number, mate.

[Manc]

His*

[Shindig]

What position does he play?

[Magic]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-cafe-slammed-over-job-26346524

:D

[Spikey M]

It's just occurred to me that Covid has more or less evaporated from my life. I'm not sure when it happened, but you bringing it up is the first time I've heard it mentioned for a good week or so.

I suppose the threat of a World War will do that. Every cloud really does have a silver lining. Even Mushroom Clouds, apparently.

[Magic]

It's much preferable to having some jumped up 'vulnerable' obese waste of life admin assistant ordering me to wear a mask to PROTECT her eating habits.

[Giggles]

It's just occurred to me that Covid has more or less evaporated from my life. I'm not sure when it happened, but you bringing it up is the first time I've heard it mentioned for a good week or so.

I suppose the threat of a World War will do that. Every cloud really does have a silver lining. Even Mushroom Clouds, apparently.

I’m still living the covid dream. It’s the greatest excuse ever to cut all those people you don’t know from existence and I’m not letting go.

[Shindig]

Nah, it's sliding on the way out. The only people wearing masks at my folks' were the care staff and now we're only reporting 7 day rolling figures. Although the pancake tossing competition in the office appears to have a "WE'LL HAVE HAND SANITISER READY!" on the poster.

[Giggles]

70% of people still masking today on the first day you don’t have to here :drool:

[Ben]

Lucky if North East England is 70 total. The glorious region of Teesside fucked it off with the beginning of England’s Euro campaign. While the residents of Barth were still double bagging and staying two miles away from Gran, I literally had a flare set off behind me in the pub as Sterling popped one in past Croatia.

[Magic]

We've still lost the plot up here.

[Shindig]

I don't know why John Campbell's shitting himself over the Pfizer documents. 0.06% of 56m jabs resulting in adverse reactions in the United States.

[Magic]

Probably because they FORCED people against their wishes.

[Shindig]

There were no mandates in February last year, you class action retard.

[Magic]

And only old and spastics could get them. :)

[Don]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/mar/09/javid-expected-back-scrapping-passenger-locator-forms-england-arrivals

Still waiting on this shit before starting to plan travels but sounds like we may be at the end. Thoughts and prayers with the likes of Prof Kinane limited to just a throaway paragraph now, the fucking virgin dorks.

[Clunge]

18 March for PLFs to go.

Going to Thessaloniki over Easter – anyone been? Tips?

[Ben]

Suncream.