Coronavirus Death Thread

[Giggles]

This is all second hand but a mate was telling me that a bird who works as a nurse with his sister came on back into work straight from a holiday in northern Italy because "she felt fairly alright". If it's even remotely true then there's no stopping this when you're dealing with such absolute stupidity.

[Shindig]

China's lockdown has been impressive. From 4,000 new cases to 40 in a month. A fortnight quarantine would absolutely sort proper countries out.

[Giggles]

We still have flights coming in and the Patricks Day parade going ahead, because money.

[Kikó]

Markets are continuing to tank:
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[John Arne]

China's lockdown has been impressive. From 4,000 new cases to 40 in a month. A fortnight quarantine would absolutely sort proper countries out.

I'm genuinely surprised that the UK hasn't done anything yet. They seem to be waiting for it explode, at which point they will start closing schools and playing behind closed doors - you know, when it's kinda too late.

I still keep flip-floppen on this. One second, I'm thinking this is killing 2% of everybody it infects... why aren't people doing more, then 2 minutes later I'm thinking that this is just a shit flu - let it infect young people, and run it's course... the old people...well...

[Giggles]

That's a lot of the thinking from western leaders too. Old people = free money in the form of pensions, so.....

[Shindig]

They're scared to stop business. The majority of these cases come from overseas travel but, the longer you leave your borders open, the more likely you'll just become a new hotspot. That's how Italy, France and Germany have wound up. I guarantee you Boris is being advised by someone, "Let's just see how Italy plays out." Ignoring the fact Germany's cases have doubled overnight.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They will know what they're doing. While there's still a chance to contain it, there is no point in collapsing society around it.

Korean numbers continue to improve, and the Chinese are all going back to work (Hubei aside). However, I would suggest that in those societies, selfish idiocy is much less prevalent than it is in Europe.

In fact, this seems to be a first world virus at the moment.

[SincereTheRebel]

2 people in the office have called in 'ill'

[Yevrah]

They will know what they're doing. While there's still a chance to contain it, there is no point in collapsing society around it.

Korean numbers continue to improve, and the Chinese are all going back to work (Hubei aside). However, I would suggest that in those societies, selfish idiocy is much less prevalent than it is in Europe.

In fact, this seems to be a first world virus at the moment.

I would agree that those cultures are much more likely to do what those in power tell them to than Europe. I mean, look at people shitting into nappies in the Beijing opening ceremony. No chance anyone in the West is doing that.

People also keep saying to me that it's killing off all the Brexit voters, lol. But then equally, this must be far harder to stop with open borders. When I did the rally to the Nurburgring I didn't even know I'd entered a different country until my phone told me via a network change.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Current cases per million pop (Europe):

Italy 122
Switzerland 43.2
Norway 32.8
Belgium 20.6
Sweden 20.2
Spain 19.5
France 18.5
Netherlands 15.5
Germany 13.7
Austria 12.4
Ireland 4.3
UK 4.1
Portugal 3

The sea still our greatest ally.

[John Arne]

Asia's 2022 World Cup qualifiers for March and June have been postponed :/

[Giggles]

We have that mong of a health minister telling everyone that it will probably get to Italy levels here yet you can still land into Dublin from northern Italy as it stands right now.

[Giggles]

Cheltenham still going ahead too :face:

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's a tough one. You could shut the whole world down, send thousands of firms out of business overnight. Will mortgage companies stop calling payments in? Will they fuck. Life, ultimately, has to go on as best it can.

[Disco]

I stayed home today, combatting it with strawberry milk and crisps.

[niko_cee]

First case here (Guernsey) apparently.

I think that means the virus has won the game.

[SincereTheRebel]

What about Madagascar?

[Kikó]

Immediate 7% drop in the S&P causing a halt in trading for 15 minutes.

[phonics]

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[Giggles]

Isn't that just on the assumption this just ends and everything magically goes back to normal?

[Jimmy Floyd]

There will be a buy point but I somehow don't think it's now.

[Yevrah]

It definitely isn't now.

Lockdown and then we're talking.

[Foe]

There will be a buy point but I somehow don't think it's now.

Yeah it’s definitely going to keep getting worse until it’s clear what the fix is.

Our share price is another 20% down. If I needed to sell shares any time soon I’d be raging. Thankfully I can just ride it out.

[Spikey M]

Where is best to buy shares? Ideally not somewhere that has a minimum buy too far into the hundreds.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

TTH becomes rich :drool:

[Manc]

Much Ado About Nothing.

[Mellberg]

Yev is right. Too early to buy.


Where is best to buy shares? Ideally not somewhere that has a minimum buy too far into the hundreds.

Depends what you're looking for. I use a CFD as I trade intraday. There are plenty out there. They're tax free and your only real charges are on the spread (and overnight fees). If you're going long term then use a broker and get the paper.

Had a very good night/day since that last post :thbup:

[Bernanke]

I mean, the buy point would literally be to dollar cost average through this entire thing. Just set up 10 entry-buys monthly for the coming year and I'd wager your getting in at a pretty decent price.

[John Arne]

Only 2 deaths in the whole of the ASEAN region is a bit fishy. Granted hot weather is helping a lot, but one suspects some slight under-reporting also helping.

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[Jimmy Floyd]

Why the doubts? It's just the famous Indonesian trait of staying clean and hygienic at all times.

[Yevrah]

That might be the most inappropriate use of a league table I’ve seen.

[Lewis]

It doesn't even work as well. Surely cases/recoveries/deaths all have different weightings, in which case the countries with fatalities should be top or bottom.

[Yevrah]

It should definitely be ranked like the Olympics, with deaths scoring in the same way gold medals do.

[Spikey M]

Yev is right. Too early to buy.



Depends what you're looking for. I use a CFD as I trade intraday. There are plenty out there. They're tax free and your only real charges are on the spread (and overnight fees). If you're going long term then use a broker and get the paper.

Had a very good night/day since that last post :thbup:

I want to buy a few hundred quid worth when the shit hits the fan then sell it all when the market bounces after we're all allowed out again / back to work / to the football.

[Spikey M]

It should definitely be ranked like the Olympics, with deaths scoring in the same way gold medals do.

I'm sick of China always being shit hot in the medal tables.

[Mellberg]

I want to buy a few hundred quid worth when the shit hits the fan then sell it all when the market bounces after we're all allowed out again / back to work / to the football.

Don't use a CFD then. Hargreaves have had bad press today (struggled to keep up with demand. One off due to circumstances), but are big and only charge about £12 per trade. I'd do some further reading, but they're probably a decent bet.

[Yevrah]

Your bank will have a share dealing facility, and that's probably the best way to do it as the paperwork to get set up will be easier.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The one thing I don't understand is why we need to cancel 'public gatherings' but not shut the tube. Until we shut the tube, they are not taking it seriously.

[Mellberg]

Serie A suspended until 3rd April.

[mugbull]

And I don’t understand that. They already banned the fans from coming.

[niko_cee]

Football without fans is a complete waste of time. It probably looks worse for 'the brand' than simply not playing.

You'd have to figure there's no way the Champions League is getting completed this season.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Football you might as well abandon and start again in August (hopefully). Formula 1 will end up getting boshed, even if they have a couple of races first. It'll probably go round the paddock, if people are actually coming from Modena (something had to finish Bernie off). The last to go will be golf, as golf is outside with people spread out, and is always the last to accept reality in all things. Maybe county cricket will survive as well. Pretty sure that would survive an asteroid.

[Giggles]

All the parades here are cancelled. Won’t really matter seeing as they’re letting people go and return from Cheltenham.

[Shindig]

Someone in the office is on the sick with a 'virus infection'. The lass behind me still has the cough going after three weeks.

[Boydy]

All the parades here are cancelled. Won’t really matter seeing as they’re letting people go and return from Cheltenham.

If it keeps up into the summer hopefully it'll cancel the 12th July parades up here.

Probably end up with riots though as those idiots would try to carry on anyway.

[niko_cee]

County cricket is already largely played behind closed doors.

[Shindig]

It's made the job more interesting at least. I counted three people cancelling their claims because of coronavirus fears.

[Giggles]

If it keeps up into the summer hopefully it'll cancel the 12th July parades up here.

Probably end up with riots though as those idiots would try to carry on anyway.

As hard as it’ll be getting people to stay out of the pub and all on the 17th here, there is nothing in this world will stop your July parades going ahead.

[Disco]

If the Champs Elysee is choked with corpses the French might consider postponing the Tour de France.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm pretty sure if you look in the background of some of those David revolutionary epics you can see Tyler Hamilton cruising along with a glass of bubbly.

[Lewis]

They will reduce it to whichever two stages favour a French rider.

[Offshore Toon]

However, I would suggest that in those societies, selfish idiocy is much less prevalent than it is in Europe.
Why do so many shit on toilet seats then?

[Offshore Toon]

Guernsey announced a case today. We fucking merk them in everything. Rugby, football, beaches, health, banter, everything.

[Lewis]

Their slitty bumholes spray it everywhere.

[Pepe]

They will reduce it to whichever two stages favour a French rider.

And they will still lose to a plucky Brit.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I should think all the plucky Brits will be staying indoors given that this virus will disproportionately affect asthmatics.

[niko_cee]

The woman who has it here brought it back from Tenerife. Apparently she has a 6th form age son who didn't go on holiday with her, but has been out on the piss at various locations all weekend so, if he has it they're going to end up shutting everything down. :face:

Kids off school for 2+ weeks is going to see more family annihilations than corona virus deaths.

[Yevrah]

Building on that, if Bradley really wants to prove his innocence he could buy a one way ticket to Hubei province and smear himself in the juice of Coronavirus victims.

Like the witch test, if he dies he was telling the truth all along.

[Disco]

Do they produce a juice?

One upside of sitting around all day is that I've discovered that the tank museum has its own Youtube channel, you can almost smell the leather elbow patches.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've been trying to think what I'll do when I don't leave the flat for a month. Might finally watch the Sopranos. How many hours of that are there?

[Shindig]

The woman who has it here brought it back from Tenerife. Apparently she has a 6th form age son who didn't go on holiday with her, but has been out on the piss at various locations all weekend so, if he has it they're going to end up shutting everything down. :face:

Kids off school for 2+ weeks is going to see more family annihilations than corona virus deaths.

I'm not even sure it effects kids that much.

[Shindig]

I've been trying to think what I'll do when I don't leave the flat for a month. Might finally watch the Sopranos. How many hours of that are there?

I dunno. I stopped at episode 4. 7 series. That's got to be 21 discs, right?

[niko_cee]

I'm not even sure it effects kids that much.

Does it effect anyone who isn't about to die anyway?

[Shindig]

Well, Italy's on total lockdown. That was sudden.

[Spikey M]

The whole of Italy is on 'lockdown' now.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I read a theory earlier that its effect is perhaps proportionate to how much damage has already been done to the respiratory system it infects. It's basically Gerd Müller, but for lifelong smokers instead of loose balls in the box.

[Baz]

So what shares am I buying on Friday then, boys? Gotta spend my horse winnings.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Think the only buys at the moment are Andrex and Cussons.

[Yevrah]

So the bloke I work with who flew out on Saturday morning won't be coming back any time soon then and when he does he'll be self isolating.

[Giggles]

The government are ramping up the panic good and proper here now anyway. Looking at well into next year.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Poland for a week at the end of the month and then somewhere hot for a week and a half (likely Cuba or Dominican Republic).

Chances?

Looks done.

Friend in Poland said that they're liking going to close borders tomorrow.

[niko_cee]

"No more nightlife" says Italian PM Guiseppe Conte, but you can still go to work. Are the Italians really that much of a stereotype?

[randomlegend]

I got isolated for about an hour earlier at work, then everyone decided it was probably alright and we were 'de-escalated'. Probably shouldn't give any more details (or even post that) but wevs.

[Offshore Toon]

I dunno. I stopped at episode 4. 7 series. That's got to be 21 discs, right?
Just checked my box set and it's 28 discs. 85 episodes. 45 minutes each, I think. 62 hours ish?

[Yevrah]

What is the point of all the shit the government is talking about doing if you're going to preside over this:

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/coronavirus-italy-flight-uk-quarantine-gatwick-heathrow-airport-a9387072.html

[Queenslander]

The one time we are lucky to be run by fascists. We send our incoming to detention centers and army bases.

Or did before flight bans.

[Yevrah]

Interesting listening to LeBron James saying he won't play if the NBA hold games behind closed doors.

[Queenslander]

Our Chief medical bloke is pretty convinced that our researchers are right that the majority will only get this once.

[Spikey M]

So what shares am I buying on Friday then, boys? Gotta spend my horse winnings.

Im buying Tui. 50% down already.

It's a risk as they may go full Thomas Cook but it has the biggest potential reward I've seen.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Be patient. We have a Mad Max phase to get through yet.

[Spikey M]

I'm in the same boat as Baz. Can't do anything until Friday at the earliest anyway.

[Queenslander]

Catching a falling knife comes to mind.

[Spikey M]

Catching a falling knife comes to mind.

It will all come good in the end. (Holiday companies the possible exception)

[Manc]

Mongolia infiltrated. Top work.

[Queenslander]

It will all come good in the end. (Holiday companies the possible exception)

Yeah they will need to be bailed out down here (QLD).

[Mellberg]

Investing in tourism weeks before half the world potentially goes into lockdown :D

Just be patient.

[Spikey M]

Investing in tourism weeks before half the world potentially goes into lockdown :D

Just be patient.

Biggest Gainzzzzzz. They'll be about 1p share if it all goes tits up. The scenes If they can hang in there until the recovery.

[Mellberg]

They'll come down further. More gainz.

[Disco]

Knobheads burying themselves on the stockmarket would be best bit of this whole thing.

[phonics]

The Forest chairman, who was at the game on Friday and taking photos with the fans, has it.

[Bob Sacamano]

You'd imagine that's it for the season then

[phonics]

LOL they've just cancelled our meeting to prepare for the global conference we organize once a year.

I'm going to be out of a job boys.

[Spikey M]

Knobheads burying themselves on the stockmarket would be best bit of this whole thing.

You mirin?

[niko_cee]

Knobheads burying themselves on the stockmarket would be best bit of this whole thing.

My thoughts exactly.

Hopefully this 4% rise has butt-fucked some.

[thommo]

The Forest chairman, who was at the game on Friday and taking photos with the fans, has it.

He's also the owner of Olympiakos, so Wolves have now requested their game on Thursday be postponed, rather than played behind closed doors.

[niko_cee]

Klopp coating off some Argentinian ESPN journo in the champions league press conference on the coronavirus subject is quite funny.

[Spikey M]

My thoughts exactly.

Hopefully this 4% rise has butt-fucked some.

4% is nothing with the gainz on the horizon.

Disclaimer: I've been too lazy to even properly look into how I would go abaout buying shares, so the chances are nothing will even come of this.

[Jimmy Floyd]

What will have to happen is Euro 2020 will be postponed to 2021, and this year's seasons will be completed in June or whenever the curse is lifted.

[phonics]

FIFA will love UEFA turning up in their Club World Cup spot.

[Jimmy Floyd]

All the more reason for UEFA to do it that way.

[Disco]

They do have the perfect comeback, literally nobody outside of FIFA cares one bit about the club world cup.

[phonics]

Yeah this is the one with 75 billion teams that some Japanese bloke said he'd give them a bajillion quid for so it'll be LAWYER TIME BAY BAY.

[niko_cee]

Just hold the Euros in November, or whatever the Qatar plan is.

[Yevrah]

This is actually going to stop Liverpool winning the league properly, isn't it?

[Mellberg]

Do you think they'd scrap relegation? :yn:

[phonics]

Think we should just call it quits and give the title to whatever team has the longest unbeaten run as of right now/if we agree that Wednesday's game doesn't count towards it. It's the only sensible way.

[Ian]

Who's top of the post-Outbreak table?

[Disco]

Void the season and start over in August, assuming there's any of us left.

[niko_cee]

Who's top of the post-Outbreak table?

Liverpool.

Unless you mean the film.

[phonics]

Lol they cut half the conference and one of the managers just quit.

Thank god for unemployment benefits.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51817947

Taxpayer-owned bank RBS will allow people affected by the coronavirus outbreak to defer mortgage and loan repayments for up to three months.

TSB and Lloyds said they would also allow a mortgage window, and the banks said savers could close fixed-term savings accounts without charge.

This is designed to allow people to access cash if they need it as the impact of the virus is felt.

[Lewis]

I don't see why they would have to cancel any major football. Ninety-nine per cent of the money in it is for the broadcasting, so just have the games behind closed doors and countries can put whatever travel restrictions they want in place.

[niko_cee]

Just finish up the season on champ manager.

[Yevrah]

I don't see why they would have to cancel any major football. Ninety-nine per cent of the money in it is for the broadcasting, so just have the games behind closed doors and countries can put whatever travel restrictions they want in place.

Indeed, but, and I don't know whether you're old enough to remember, wouldn't Man Utd winning it behind closed doors after 25 years have felt a little hollow?

[niko_cee]

They'll win it before the stadium closures hit, just.

[Lewis]

Indeed, but, and I don't know whether you're old enough to remember, wouldn't Man Utd winning it behind closed doors after 25 years have felt a little hollow?

It would be absolutely shit and barely worth watching, but with the money involved even that is better than nothing. It's the same with Formula 1. Unless somebody intends to give the manufacturers their hundreds of millions of quids back you will just end up with a dozen races in empty circuits until it has blown over/killed us all.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I don't see why they would have to cancel any major football. Ninety-nine per cent of the money in it is for the broadcasting, so just have the games behind closed doors and countries can put whatever travel restrictions they want in place.

Because the players will refuse to play.

[Lewis]

I can't see it. The odd fanny might, but you could easily quarantine a football team between matches, so once Adidas and Nike start leaning on them it's a goer.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The Italians were doing just that before the matter got taken out of their hands.

[Lewis]

Putting a few Serie A matches off is a bit different from canning a major international tournament.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Depends if the plague (much better word than virus) has died down by then. Maybe this is God's way of punishing UEFA for that crappy multi-city hosting format.

[Giggles]

Ten more today. Everywhere still open.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Latest league table

Italy 167.9
Switzerland 57.4
Norway 56.1
Denmark 45.2
Spain 35.8
Sweden 34.8
France 27.3
Austria 20.4
Germany 17.2
Ireland 6.9
UK 5.5
Portugal 4

Probably 10-12 days until we're in full lockdown, I would guess.

[Giggles]

Why are you (and us) waiting until it reaches Italian levels before acting? Has to be the hope of a pension cull.

[niko_cee]

Probably because they figure (hope) it won't get to those levels. We don't seem to be seeing the steep trajectory to get near them yet. Fuck knows how the Italians have made such a mess of things.

[Yevrah]

Because it will fuck hugely with businesses and people's livelihoods.

The airlines are fucked come what may so I see no harm in restricting flights, but if you close schools etc. then it's going to cause serious financial problems for people.

[Giggles]

Because it will fuck hugely with businesses and people's livelihoods.

The airlines are fucked come what may so I see no harm in restricting flights, but if you close schools etc. then it's going to cause serious financial problems for people.

It’s not a normal situation though. We’re being told that 85000 alone are going to die here.

[Yevrah]

Latest league table

Italy 167.9
Switzerland 57.4
Norway 56.1
Denmark 45.2
Spain 35.8
Sweden 34.8
France 27.3
Austria 20.4
Germany 17.2
Ireland 6.9
UK 5.5
Portugal 4

Probably 10-12 days until we're in full lockdown, I would guess.

How are you running that table?

[Yevrah]

It’s not a normal situation though. We’re being told that 85000 alone are going to die here.

Are you? What in the fuck?

[Yevrah]

It's only killed 4,000 people worldwide.

[Giggles]

Are you? What in the fuck?

Well the powers that be are telling us it’s ‘likely’. Maybe they’ll close the schools at 40k.

If we’d a stronger government and a proper border we could have contained it once it had been able to spread from China to Italy.

[Jimmy Floyd]

How are you running that table?

It's cases per million of population, taken off the counting website.

[niko_cee]

A hard border?

[Yevrah]

I suppose if everyone gets it it'd generate those numbers, but even in Italy it's got nowhere near to infecting everyone.

That said, I haven't seen projections of how many will contract it.

[Yevrah]

It's cases per million of population, taken off the counting website.

Ah.

Germany's deaths are still suspiciously low I see. They have 2 now, but something's odd there.

[niko_cee]

They probably just send all their old folk to northern Italy.

[Raoul Duke]

This is a pretty cool visualisation (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)

Here's the mobile version (https://arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/85320e2ea5424dfaaa75ae62e5c06e61)

[Shindig]

They must be looking at cases coming back from Italy and thinking, now that place is in lockdown, the spread will stifle. The ones that come back now will be self-isolated or quarantined. The worry is the people who've just had their holiday cancelled will be straight round trying to get tickets to Spain.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They probably just send all their old folk to northern Italy.

Bit of nostaglia for the old fellas before they conk out.

[Lofty]

I don't see why they would have to cancel any major football. Ninety-nine per cent of the money in it is for the broadcasting, so just have the games behind closed doors and countries can put whatever travel restrictions they want in place.

If they cancel it before Liverpool mathematically win the league though the chimp out will be glorious

[Disco]

At the end of the day it's just a bit of football, the sky will not fall in if a few competitions go unfinished or don't happen.

[Giggles]

I don’t think any other team could complain about them being declared winners now anyway.

[Kikó]

My boss came back from Northern Italy this week and says the reality is a lot worse than being reported. Also walked straight through at Heathrow.

My brother in law's mother sent a video of Salerno - complete lock down.

We're moving to split working arrangements at work with 50.50 split on in office/remote working.

[Giggles]

Worse as in the lockdown or far more dead than they’re letting on?

[Shindig]

Our boss uttered the phrase, "Worst case scenario." I have no idea what our continuity plan is. As it happens, work has slowed right down. We've got lines to take now when we book claimants in. Namely: Have you been to China or Italy recently and do you feel ill?

Russia's had ten cases. I find that surprising. Maybe they just don't travel much abroad.

[niko_cee]

Their blood is above the alcoholic proof level required to be effectively antiseptic and/or there are no old Russians, for the same reason.

[Kikó]

Worse as in the lockdown or far more dead than they’re letting on?

Would need to check - I get the feeling both.

[Shindig]

I also checked China's cases before Hubei went into shutdown on 23/1/20. Officially, they had 639 and then the cases ballooned.

[Foe]

Confirmed case at a rival company in the same industry here today.

If they went to the office then we are all getting infected eventually. There’s too much intra company intermingling for it not to jump around.

Hopefully after having a bout of normal flu last week my body will laugh it off.

Working from home when you actually have to work and dial into calls is crap. If it happens I’m getting amazon prime and just pretending. Or better still heading to the highlands.

[Lewis]

I'm a big fan of a societal shift from handshakes to salutes, mind.


Ah.

Germany's deaths are still suspiciously low I see. They have 2 now, but something's odd there.

They were well ahead of the game.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm not sure this country is at all prepared for the reality which is going to be hundreds of old people dying per day of respiratory failure. I'm not saying shut the country down or stop anyone coming in - what's the point, when it's already here - but it's preposterous that 'social distancing' isn't already in place. I think they're just trying to buy time and avoid proper panic.

I have now just about got my supplies up to a level where I could lock down for a month (and am fully expecting to), but paracetomol is impossible to find, haven't found any for a week in several different supermarkets. Going to have a mooch down to the big Tesco and see if they have any. Bog roll is still going like mad as well, haven't seen any of that for a couple of days.

[niko_cee]

1400 people die on average on any give day in England and Wales. I bet most of them are old. Somehow we've coped up to now.

150,000 globally, of which 2/3rds are age-related.

Drop in the fucking ocean.

[Pepe]

Classes cancelled for the rest of the semester. :drool:

[Disco]

It would be interesting to see how many are rubbed out every year by similar viruses that go largely unreported beyond the annual flu jab stuff.

My old man has the right idea, he's looking forward to getting through some of the stuff in their freezer most of which seems to have been accumulated without any prospect of ever being eaten.

[Giggles]

It would be interesting to see how many are rubbed out every year by similar viruses that go largely unreported beyond the annual flu jab stuff.

My old man has the right idea, he's looking forward to getting through some of the stuff in their freezer most of which seems to have been accumulated without any prospect of ever being eaten.

I’m in the same boat. Masses of tins built up in the pantry presses and I might have to finally make a dent in them if we have to stay home soon.
Luckily I’ve 36 bottles just conditioned and another 20 litres just finished fermenting too.

[niko_cee]

A 100-year-old man has been discharged from hospital in China after recovering from coronavirus, according to state media.

The centenarian is the oldest person to have returned to health after being diagnosed with the disease, reported Xinhua news agency.

He was among more than 80 Covid-19 patients discharged on Saturday from a wing of Hubei Maternity and Child Health Care Hospital in Wuhan, the city where the outbreak began.

The man, who reportedly had underlying health conditions including Alzheimer’s disease, hypertension and heart failure, was admitted to hospital on 24 February.

lol

[Jimmy Floyd]

1400 people die on average on any give day in England and Wales. I bet most of them are old. Somehow we've coped up to now.

150,000 globally, of which 2/3rds are age-related.

Drop in the fucking ocean.

They don't die of respiratory failure all at once, though. It's more about morale and optics than stats.

[Kikó]

So my friend who was showing some of the symptoms but from his call with 111 because he's not been in contact with someone who has it (how do you determine that?) or been to a high risk country he's not got it. Seems robust.

[niko_cee]

I bet a fair chunk of them do (I'm sure pneumonia is the end game for loads of people with all sorts of problems), more than covid has seen the back of anyway today, yesterday and tomorrow. It's going to have to mount some kind of serious comeback to get on parity.

People are more afraid of poisonous snakes or spiders than they are bears. People are stupid. Poison and disease eats at the mind in a way that more mundane, but much more existential danger doesn't.

[Yevrah]

People aren't afraid of bears because for most of us there's bugger all chance of coming into contact with one.

In a similar way that people aren't scared of being stranded in space without a spacesuit.

[Jimmy Floyd]

You can see bears coming. They're big and furry. The unseen threat is obviously scarier, hence why horror movies are not just two hours of people running away from Baloo.

[niko_cee]

Yes, the human mind is drawn to the irrational/inexplicable.

That was my point.

[Waffdon]

You can see bears coming. They're big and furry. The unseen threat is obviously scarier, hence why horror movies are not just two hours of people running away from Baloo.

:D

[Baz]

Apparently if you're off 3 times in 12 months at my workplace, you get a verbal warning. In November I was off twice in one week, after going back in on Wednesday but chucking up in the evening, and calling in sick for the rest of the week. If I get a verbal warning for being made to stay off cos of Coronavirus, I'm gonna seethe.

[Shindig]

I assume they run off that points system (is it the Bradford system?) where it's benificial to take more time off rather than the odd day. You'll be fine. I've only ever seen complete piss-takers given the talk.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Apparently if you're off 3 times in 12 months at my workplace, you get a verbal warning. In November I was off twice in one week, after going back in on Wednesday but chucking up in the evening, and calling in sick for the rest of the week. If I get a verbal warning for being made to stay off cos of Coronavirus, I'm gonna seethe.

A verbal warning for what?

Some of the more useless women at my company are off about 5-8 times a year, they would get rinsed in that system.

[Lofty]

They use a system at my spot that is very prone to abuse where people have their next 'free' sick periods marked in their diaries. Also as said encourages people in danger of breaking the criteria to say fuck it and go off for weeks instead of days.

[Baz]

Yeah when I had my “back to work” interview and was told it counted as two bouts of absence I said well next time I’ll just have two weeks off to make sure I’ve shifted it which was ignored.

[Alex]

Apparently if you're off 3 times in 12 months at my workplace, you get a verbal warning. In November I was off twice in one week, after going back in on Wednesday but chucking up in the evening, and calling in sick for the rest of the week. If I get a verbal warning for being made to stay off cos of Coronavirus, I'm gonna seethe.

They operate a similar system at our work. I don't know if you get any sort of warning, but I know if you're off three times in a rolling twelve months in flags up on something and gets looked at. Which is obviously complete bollocks.

Their rule is also three "periods of absence". So they don't differentiate between, for example, a single day off throwing up or two months off work with stress. They both count as "one". Which has led to this this ridiculous "fuck you" culture where nobody takes a single day off work. It's like this unwritten rule that if you get poorly you might as well "make it count" and take the whole week. :D

We also told a lady who went to Italy last week not to come to work for two weeks today. She was in yesterday (she was fine) and I spent most of the day sat next to her. So I'm potentially doomed.

[Waffdon]

Yeah, my work is the same.

I see the health secretary has tested positive - hopefully wipes out the whole Conservative Party

[Boydy]

Apparently a load of the other companies in my building have started having everyone working from home. We might be doing so as of next week. In the meantime we're to take our laptops home every night in case we get a call saying the building is closed.

[Jimmy Floyd]

My company will be the fucking last to respond to any of it. The managing director was still strutting around earlier saying it's an over-reaction. Us in sales should be working from home already. The boys lugging bits of metal around out back, well, I don't know how you avoid making them come in.

Our big Italian supplier told us they are still fully operational and carrying on as if nothing was happening. It's such an old school industry. I suppose that is inevitable when your business is to keep running 40 and 50 year old engines.

[Queenslander]

Talk about locking down Sydney. We are very lucky that summer is 6 months long these days. Darwin has 1 case so far.

[Raoul Duke]

I see the health secretary has tested positive - hopefully wipes out the whole Conservative Party

She has also met Johnson in this time, gone to the Houses of Parliament and Boris has been to see Her Maj. Might be Bank Holiday time soon...

[niko_cee]

That's the best way to test this. Give it to the Queen. If she survives it's all back to work and what a load of shit, if she dies then the period of mourning can be used for 2 weeks of isolation for everyone.

[Boydy]

That's the best way to test this. Give it to the Queen. If she survives it's all back to work and what a load of shit, if she dies then the period of mourning can be used for 2 weeks of isolation for everyone.

As if you'd manage to keep the British serfs off the streets for the funeral.

[Boydy]

I see there's been a case at Cheltenham. That'll be more of it arriving back on the island of Ireland next week then.

[Yevrah]

Right, back to the numbers of people expected to get it, I don't get this.

From this article, there's this quote:


The expectation is that the proportion of people infected could be down at around 20%, perhaps even less, if the measures work.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-51632801

There's only 80,000 people in China with it, or less than 0.1% of their population, so why would fewer than 12 million people infected with it by the time we hit summer be a good result in the UK?

Have I misread that? If not, what are we not being told?

[Waffdon]

She has also met Johnson in this time, gone to the Houses of Parliament and Boris has been to see Her Maj. Might be Bank Holiday time soon...

She had been feeling ill since last Friday. What an absolute fanny.

[phonics]

Right, back to the numbers of people expected to get it, I don't get this.

From this article, there's this quote:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-51632801

There's only 80,000 people in China with it, or less than 0.1% of their population, so why would fewer than 12 million people infected with it by the time we hit summer be a good result in the UK?

Have I misread that? If not, what are we not being told?

China says it is doing 6000 tests per day at full capacity. Even if it had been doing that for 2 months. That’s 360 thousand tests and a quarter of those results are positive.

For perspective, around 70% of over 65s and 30% of the remaining uk population get some form of the flu each year.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

She had been feeling ill since last Friday. What an absolute fanny.

Thursday but still went to a Downing Street event...

She then decided to self-isolate on Friday.

[John Arne]

Vietnam pretty much on lockdown now. No new non-essential visas are being issued. There are barely any tourists here at all, the city is dead.

[Queenslander]

Queensland is still at zero for community transmission.

[mo]

Come on school closures! 3/4 week Easter holiday :chief:

Although less so if they make us teach via Skype which a lot of international schools have been doing :/ .

[Lofty]

City v Arsenal postponed...

[Shindig]

Sealing Germany's borders to prevent the spread of the virus will not work, the country's Health Minister Jens Spahn said on Wednesday.

He rejected calls to follow its neighbour Austria - which now denies entry to visitors from Italy.

"The virus is in Germany, it is in Europe. That's the thought we have to get used to," he told local radio station Deutschlandfunk radio, reported Reuters.

"It will still spread even if you close all the borders. Sooner or later you have to let people in or out and then it starts spreading again."

Well, that's a shit attitude to have.

[Spikey M]

Are you still convinced this isn't rife Jimmy? 370 odd cases? Somehow spread across the whole nation, not isolated to a community and somehow affecting football club chairmen and politicians.

I bet that's not even 10% of the actual number.

[Shindig]

I mean, our test results indicate otherwise.

[Spikey M]

They're barely testing. How would you go about getting distribution of such a small number across the UK? Are we doing some kind of coughing relay where it's handed over at the border of each county?

[Queenslander]

Queensland Health is doing an amazing job with the help of private pathology.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/hundreds-more-coronavirus-tests-to-be-done-in-brisbane-20200207-p53yv3.html

[Yevrah]

Spikey’s bang on here, and that’s what they’re not telling us, because they don’t actually know. The 400 has to be a mere fraction.

[Mazuuurk]

In terms of spreading, 370 cases in the UK could easily be people returning from China & Italy to different places, no?
But then again - It probably is commonly spread in most places by now. Then that just means the virus is less dangerous than what they say, if that is the case, cause a lot of people have it and mistake it for a cold.


I seriously still don't get it. It is just like any other cold or flu - if you get sick, stay the fuck home. It's always been common sense. Washing your hands in the loo and occasionally outside it as well, by the way.

And just like with any illness - if you feel like you are dying because you can't breathe well or whatever, THEN you call the ambulance.


The problem here and the reason governments have to take such measures is because of two things:

- they don't want half of a country to be home with a cold at the same time (bad for economy)
- too many people flood the emergency rooms with mild symptoms because they think they might die before they are actually displaying any signs of emergency.

[niko_cee]

Mate, this is no place for reason.

Now go out and knife someone for a four-pack of loo-roll.

I note Offy not representing for the infected Jersey populace anymore.

[Lofty]

It is just like any cold or flu except it has a significantly higher mortality rate.

[Queenslander]

It is just like any cold or flu except it has a significantly higher mortality rate.

34 wasnt it?

[Mazuuurk]

3.4, bit of a difference.

[Spikey M]

It's only a full stop. Grammar Nazi.

[Queenslander]

We are being told 34 times the mortality rate of common flu

[Yevrah]

It is just like any cold or flu except it has a significantly higher mortality rate.

So not like any cold or flu then.

[Yevrah]

We are being told 34 times the mortality rate than common flu

If normal flu kills 0.1% of people then that’d be roughly right. Some estimates say that’s the case, while others have it as high as 1%, or 3.4 times.

[Queenslander]

If normal flu kills 0.1% of people then that’d be roughly right. Some estimates say that’s the case, while others have it as high as 1%, or 3.4 times.

Yeah fair enough.

[Bernanke]

The flu comparison is idiotic. Sure, on an individual level if you're under 60 it might be similar (even if we don't know long term effects of catching this) but:

We have a reliable vaccine against seasonal flu. We will not have a vaccine or effective treatment for this for some time.

10-20 percent that catch this get such a severe form that they need medical care. The main issue isn't "people with snivels clogging up the system", it's people who without medical assistance might actually end up dead being a far higher percentage than with the flu. Italian hospitals are already overwhelmed and if we can't smooth out the peak outbreak of this that will happen in every other country as well. This also means other healthcare services will have to be pushed back, increasing the risks of complications there.

[Queenslander]

That makes sense.

I am surprised how well our Govenment have dealt with it down here. They plan to hand out $10 billion stimulus to keep the economy ticking over.

[SvN]

Idiot in our office has a sore throat and is panicking that she's got Coronavirus.. Her response to "Having sore throat on its own isn't a symptom, so don't worry" was met with "It is a symptom!!!" and no other reasoning, even after showing her the NHS website that lists the known symptoms.

She's just looking for an excuse to skive off and "work from home" for a fortnight.

[7om]

The flu comparison is idiotic. Sure, on an individual level if you're under 60 it might be similar (even if we don't know long term effects of catching this) but:

We have a reliable vaccine against seasonal flu. We will not have a vaccine or effective treatment for this for some time.

10-20 percent that catch this get such a severe form that they need medical care. The main issue isn't "people with snivels clogging up the system", it's people who without medical assistance might actually end up dead being a far higher percentage than with the flu. Italian hospitals are already overwhelmed and if we can't smooth out the peak outbreak of this that will happen in every other country as well. This also means other healthcare services will have to be pushed back, increasing the risks of complications there.

On the subject of the vaccine, the flu one isn’t reliable at all. In fact we have no idea how efficacious it will be year-on-year and there is no guarantee coronavirus will be different. If it mutates quickly then it will likely become endemic the same way rhinovirus and adenovirus are still causing common colds.

[Bernanke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzXQ6Bu9JVI

This blokes videos have been passed around in places and to me he seems to ride the line between solid overview and Youtube wacko pretty well. Regardless, it's a pretty easily digested daily overview of the state of things.

[Manc]

Kuenssberg a potential victim. :drool:

[Bernanke]

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Say bye bye to all the nonnas. :eyemouth:

[Disco]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/business-51823128/coronavirus-don-t-panic-be-community-minded-says-loo-roll-boss

Presumably there's also going to be a corresponding loo roll crash as everyone works through what they've pointlessly stockpiled.

[bruhnaldo]

Grocers here are literally out of toilet paper. The shit makes no sense (no pun intended).

[randomlegend]

On the subject of the vaccine, the flu one isn’t reliable at all. In fact we have no idea how efficacious it will be year-on-year and there is no guarantee coronavirus will be different. If it mutates quickly then it will likely become endemic the same way rhinovirus and adenovirus are still causing common colds.

Coronavirus causes common colds already. Covid-19 is just a specific virulent strain, like MERS and SARS were/are.

[John Arne]

Latest message from HCMC government is asking the public to use online shopping and delivery methods.



The City People's Committee affirmed to always ensure the supply of goods, necessities and food for the people. To limit the presence of crowded places, it is recommended that people prioritize the choice of shopping goods online.

[Bernanke]

On the subject of the vaccine, the flu one isn’t reliable at all. In fact we have no idea how efficacious it will be year-on-year and there is no guarantee coronavirus will be different. If it mutates quickly then it will likely become endemic the same way rhinovirus and adenovirus are still causing common colds.

I suppose the right phrasing is that we have a well established procedure to try and anticipate the yearly flu-strain that will dominate, and get vaccines out in time for risk groups. There's literally nothing like that for COVID-19.

An endemic virus that leads to 10-12% getting severe symptoms and 5% requiring intensive care would be fucking mad.

[phonics]

Is there anything more Italian than the old man going 'The pasta shelves are empty, this is worse than World War 2'?

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[Yevrah]

That's where we're headed. Merkel's just come out and said up to 70% of the German population could catch it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

We are ridiculously complacent in this country. I have no idea why offices are still open. Our Aussie sales guy pitched up earlier having been on a plane full of Italians from Tunis (they were all legging it to London via there). He was just lolling about it.

They are obviously trying to delay panic but fucking hell.

[mugbull]

That's where we're headed. Merkel's just come out and said up to 70% of the German population could catch it.

Which is complete bullshit

[John Arne]

Officially a pandemic.

1237777021742338049?

1237777021742338049?

[John Arne]

"Alarming levels of inaction".... Presumably that's the likes of the UK - doing sweet FA to contain this.

[Mellberg]

Indeed. I can't believe Cheltenham's on. You have to climb across people to get around. All you need is one person to have it, and that's likely, for there to be plenty taking it home with them.

[Yevrah]

Which is complete bullshit

What makes you think that?

[John Arne]

Over 3,300 new cases yesterday...

https://gyazo.com/fdf4ef7c44c338c222f347862b38f50f.jpeg

[Mellberg]

Spain and Germany accelerating. We're not far behind.

Did Qatar just start testing people yesterday? The figures are bollocks and it's rife.

[Yevrah]

"Alarming levels of inaction".... Presumably that's the likes of the UK - doing sweet FA to contain this.

Ted doesn't seem happy.

Although ironically he saw fit to praise China for their approach when they'd tried to hide it from the international community and silence their own doctors who wanted to expose it.

Oh, and he wasn't bothered about closing things down before it had spread.

[niko_cee]

So the WHO has labelled this a pandemic, although they no longer formally use the term, but it can be used coloquially?

What a load of shit. It's like Mark Rutte and his let's shake on it no handshake policy.

[John Arne]

"Alarming levels of inaction".... Presumably that's the likes of the UK - doing sweet FA to contain this.


Indeed. I can't believe Cheltenham's on. You have to climb across people to get around. All you need is one person to have it, and that's likely, for there to be plenty taking it home with them.

From a mate who travelled this week...

Screened at Singapore airport
Screened before getting a haircut
Screened before entering Stadium
Screened at Jakarta airport
Screened before entering Stadium

Heathrow? Nothing...

[Yevrah]

So the WHO has labelled this a pandemic, although they no longer formally use the term, but it can be used coloquially?

What a load of shit. It's like Mark Rutte and his let's shake on it no handshake policy.

They're a shambles for many reasons and this largely changes nothing, but the "it's just flu" brigade are bang wrong on this one. I know that chart won't include all the people who have it, but nearly 10% of people on there are either dead or critically ill. There are worse things that could have been let out of the bag, but given the way this is spreading, it's proper serious stuff now.

[mugbull]

What makes you think that?

I don't begrudge her that tactic, she should do whatever it takes to get people to take it seriously. But lol if you think Germany's coronavirus crisis will be ~10,000 times worse than China's.

[7om]

Coronavirus causes common colds already. Covid-19 is just a specific virulent strain, like MERS and SARS were/are.

That's my point, really. If Covid-19 goes the same way as rhinovirus, adenovirus and the rest of the coronavirus family then we may never end up with an effective vaccine against it.

[Giggles]

Everyone is finally panicking to the max now :drool:

[Giggles]

From a mate who travelled this week...

Screened at Singapore airport
Screened before getting a haircut
Screened before entering Stadium
Screened at Jakarta airport
Screened before entering Stadium

Heathrow? Nothing...

There’s an arrogance about it in this part of the world still. Our ‘leadership’ seems to be happy enough to wait til we’re fucked before doing what they should have done at case number 1.

[Bernanke]

I don't think you would have to be insane to hink that some of the powers that be might also welcome a certain level of population culling, especially of resource-draining geriatrics. It feels silly to think that they all actually care to save every broke 80-year old who would spend the coming 10 years bed-ridden regardless.

[Yevrah]

I don't begrudge her that tactic, she should do whatever it takes to get people to take it seriously. But lol if you think Germany's coronavirus crisis will be ~10,000 times worse than China's.

How do we know what China’s crisis actually is or where it ends?

[Yevrah]

I don't think you would have to be insane to hink that some of the powers that be might also welcome a certain level of population culling, especially of resource-draining geriatrics. It feels silly to think that they all actually care to save every broke 80-year old who would spend the coming 10 years bed-ridden regardless.

Not sure the Tories would willingly want to take a hit to their vote share.

[Giggles]

I don't think you would have to be insane to hink that some of the powers that be might also welcome a certain level of population culling, especially of resource-draining geriatrics. It feels silly to think that they all actually care to save every broke 80-year old who would spend the coming 10 years bed-ridden regardless.

Of course they want it. A cull with no blood on their hands would be their wildest fantasy come true. Especially when they can control the spread.

[niko_cee]

They'd mostly be dead by the next election anyway.

Just got to save all the 50 year olds.

[Lofty]

So not like any cold or flu then.

I fear the sarcasm of my initial statement was too subtle.

[Yevrah]

:D as you were.

[Yevrah]

Italian medical chief dies after contracting virus
The head of the medical association in the northern Italian province of Varese, Roberto Stella, 67, has died of respiratory failure after contracting coronavirus.

He had been practising medicine at an outpatient clinic in Busto Arsizio, north-west of Milan, and Italian reports say he and a colleague were infected at the weekend.

Varese is in the Lombardy region, which has been at the centre of Italy's coronavirus outbreak.

A short illness might come to mean something else now...

[Giggles]

A healthy 67 year old is far from what we were being peddled early days.

[niko_cee]

An Italian 67 year old, let's not go mad here.

The only take-away from all this so far is that they've managed to fuck it on a biblical scale somehow.

[randomlegend]

That's my point, really. If Covid-19 goes the same way as rhinovirus, adenovirus and the rest of the coronavirus family then we may never end up with an effective vaccine against it.

I think you'd have to ask a virologist to know if it really "works like that". My gut feeling would be it's not so straightforward.

[Jimmy Floyd]

An Italian 67 year old, let's not go mad here.

The only take-away from all this so far is that they've managed to fuck it on a biblical scale somehow.

Because it went around for a month without anything being done about it, which we are now also doing.

The government and their 'behavioural science' need to take a reality check and soon. Everyone needs to be indoors.

[Yevrah]

A healthy 67 year old is far from what we were being peddled early days.

I'm no scientist, I'm Yevrah, but could it be that the Chinese had a better resistance to this due to environmental factors that Europeans haven't been exposed to and are therefore don't have.

67 is not old these days and is well below the 80+ range that gave you the lucky 1 in 7 chance.

[niko_cee]

The Chinese are on average less old, everyone (bar Japan) is less old than Italy. This fucks the elderly (and doctors), it would seem.

[Yevrah]

Because it went around for a month without anything being done about it, which we are now also doing.

The government and their 'behavioural science' need to take a reality check and soon. Everyone needs to be indoors.

Driving home I heard someone in the medical profession on Radio 5 Live saying we've got a grip on it and other countries (like Italy) should follow our lead. I nearly swerved off the road.

As far as I can see, we've tested some people and isolated those that have it (the bare minimum expected from a first world country I'd suggest) and told people to wash their hands, which the filthy bastards should have been doing anyway.

I agree, we've done nothing and the Heathrow situation is a genuine disgrace. Are we still allowing people to waltz in from countries officially riddled with it?

[Yevrah]

I'm close to, if not already at a point in my life where I could drop down dead any day, so I'm not panicking.

I just find the response to this and the 'efforts' to control it interesting and a shower of shit.

Until one knows more everything should have been done to isolate it and it wasn't, flights weren't grounded, people weren't refused entry. This may well amount to nothing, but if we adopt the same early doors approach we have to this to something that ends up being far more serious then it'll take a shit load of people down.

Oh and page 1, 8th Feb.

When Ted dies from a dose I'm using that in my application for his job.

[Lofty]

I mean assuming it's true the virus killed the Chinese doctor who first noticed it (rather than the security services staging it) then it should be concerning a healthy 34 year old died from enough exposure.

[7om]

I'm no scientist, I'm Yevrah, but could it be that the Chinese had a better resistance to this due to environmental factors that Europeans haven't been exposed to and are therefore don't have.

67 is not old these days and is well below the 80+ range that gave you the lucky 1 in 7 chance.

Or the Chinese lied and shit loads more people died there than we'll ever know.