Coronavirus Death Thread

[Yevrah]

What impact did WFH have on the numbers last year?

The only real thing these measures will do is manipulate more people to get vaccinated/boosted and start the erosion of the faith in science we're going to end up seeing off the back of this shitshow continuing.

[Lewis]

Alternatively don't get vaccinated/boosted because it won't change anything.

[Yevrah]

Alternatively don't get vaccinated/boosted because it won't change anything.

And I think that's where the erosion of faith in science comes in. The deal was quite clear a year ago, vaccinate enough of the population (we have) and we can move on (we haven't).

[7om]

Just for clarity, that’s not the medical profession or actual scientists fault. The clowns who govern us may present science in a terrible light but there can be no dispute that the vaccine and the multitude of treatments we now have for covid are saving lives.

[Yevrah]

Just for clarity, that’s not the medical profession or actual scientists fault. The clowns who govern us may present science in a terrible light but there can be no dispute that the vaccine and the multitude of treatments we now have for covid are saving lives.

Agree to an extent, but it all gets wrapped up as one in the public consciousness, which is why you get people defending multinational organisations that shit profit when they wouldn't do the same with one in any other industry.

For me, there's science, which is a wonderful, wonderful thing that understands incredibly complicated subjects and provides solutions to problems that nothing on this planet could have had any hope of solving. Then you have SCIENCE, which encompasses all the chancing wankers who're feathering their own nests and agendas on the back of actual science - which I'm afraid does include medical professionals and actual scientists from time to time.

[mikem]

And I think that's where the erosion of faith in science comes in. The deal was quite clear a year ago, vaccinate enough of the population (we have) and we can move on (we haven't).

If I have followed this correctly - massive pharmaceutical companies are engaging in super competent moves to maximize profits in order to undermine not simply a single product line but their entire business?

Being hysterical about others’ hysteria is still engaging in hysterical behavior.

[Yevrah]

If I have followed this correctly - massive pharmaceutical companies are engaging in super competent moves to maximize profits in order to undermine not simply a single product line but their entire business?

The aim is obviously not to undermine their entire business, it's to make (more) money, but actual science may well end up being undermined if this shit continues. People are losing patience.

[Boydy]

So you're saying we should remove the profit motive? Welcome to the club, comrade Yevrah.

[Alex]

I got a fucking positive test result yesterday after returning to the country on Monday. Obviously I'm fully vaccinated and everything. I also feel absolutely fine, annoyingly. I should have listened to whoever it was on here who said "you don't really need to send the PCR back, just get the code to go".

The "Test and Trace" people (despite me specifying on the locator form I was to only be contacted by text, as I work on the phone 90% of my day and can't usually answer my own phone) have been pestering me all day too. By the time I finally could answer at about 7pm, on probably their sixth attempt of the day, I was that fucked off I basically jogged them on and told them to text me the link to the form I can fill out myself, like they should have done in the first place, and leave me alone.

The lad said they would only have been flagged to ring me if I hadn't used the link they sent via text message to fill it out myself, to which I responded that I had not yet received that link despite them clearly having my phone number as they've texted me a code to put into the app if I have it. He still persisted with us needed to carry out a 25 minute (!) telephone conversation.

Trying to simplify it down to "Let me save you the hassle, I haven't left the house, I won't leave the house, I haven't been in contact with anybody unvaccinated and people, everyone else I travelled with returned a positive test when they got back, you know as much about the other people on the plane as me" did nothing to stop us apparently needing to have this phone conversation.

In the end when I said "I'll give it ten minutes, let's crack on" he began the process by asking me to tell him all the information, bit by bit, that I had already filled in on the locator form, which they used to get in contact with me in the first place.

That was enough for me to go down the "Why would you need all this again? I'm sure you can appreciate that from a data protection point of view I find this all a bit strange, and I'm sure if you do work for or with the NHS it won't be a problem for you to get them to sent me the link via text as I requested". Male Karen behaviour? Possibly. I'm not sure. The number was certainly legit according the NHS website, but the process was legitimately suss.

He just left it after that. Said they would put a note on the file to get the link re-sent. I think "data protection" or something to that effect must be the magic phrase to get them to go away. I'm still stuck in the house until the 16th though.

I suppose the only upside to this is I returned to the country the day before you had to start taking a test to even get on the place to come home. Presumably if I had flown home yesterday and failed the test at the airport in Gdansk I would be spending a certain amount of time in some sort of Polish quarantine residence right now? Whatever that would entail. Not the best experience, I'm sure.

[Shindig]

I imagine anybody manning track and trace phone lines has about 2 days worth of training and 3 days worth of experience. Hopefully I never have to interact with them.

[Magic]

I just ignored mine, had a list of about 10 places and about 40 people lol.

[ScousePig]

I tested positive on Sunday with a lateral flow, then confirmed with a PCR. I had a headache and cold from last Thursday and did a test but was negative (as expected since they're not really symptoms). On Monday I had to fill in a form saying everywhere I'd been, which included work/school all week, the gym twice, a school trip, the pub and the Sunderland game. Scary how many people I'd been in contact with.

I only showed symptoms on Monday, losing my smell and taste.

[Don]

Some melt I played football with piped up in the group to suggest he's tested positive and that anyone not vaxxed should self-isolate :happycry:

[Manc]

Did you play in a telephone box?

[Kikó]

Is there any evidence of this? I thought they'd just gone with reduces severe illness (ie the main point), but by focusing on cases and transmission the waters are somewhat muddied allowing for [endless] restrictions.

Thought Moyes' comments were strange to that end today. Wanting to know the person next to you is vaccinated only really works if that is of any benefit to you (which the fear-mongering would suggest not seeing as the general population is vaccinated to the eyeballs) unless you're some sort of super altruist and are worried about maybe killing them if they aren't. It's not a great conspiracy though, it's just weak leaders doing stuff for the sake of it and worst case scenarios being allowed to be the de facto starting point for policy.

Sorry was watching Ralf's boys.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y

This talks about waning effectiveness of the vaccines v Delta but it does confirm initial reduction of transmission.

[niko_cee]

But seeing as 100% reduction in transmission appears to be the [completely unrealistic] benchmark expected by the anti-infections mob it would appear vaccines aren't a way out of this particular pickle.

If they torch Christmas and hospital/ICU admissions don't rocket in January then SAGE should probably be disbanded [or have its members burnt at the stake]. We can pile them all on that shitty Trafalgar Square tree.

[Manc]

The way out of this pickle is to adequately fund the NHS.

[Don]

Or educate fat cunts if they're going to insist on us subsidising their disgusting lifestyles.

[Yevrah]

Already had two hilarious people tell me "it's a good job the virus doesn't spread in pubs" or "why can I not go into work, but I CAN go to a party".

Are they just not paying attention? The rules are obviously nonsense, but they are consistent (within the aim of slowing spread) nonsense.

Bit like watching a Marvel movie and moaning about Tony Stark flying. How's he flying? Human's can't fly.

[Jimmy Floyd]

People don't understand what government is for. It's basically become a repository on which to blame all life's frustrations.

[Magic]

Sorry was watching Ralf's boys.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y

This talks about waning effectiveness of the vaccines v Delta but it does confirm initial reduction of transmission.

Kikó completey losing his mind is so amusing to witness. I wonder what the cause is. #teammarried

[Kikó]

How?

[Pepe]

Sorry was watching Ralf's boys.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y

This talks about waning effectiveness of the vaccines v Delta but it does confirm initial reduction of transmission.


The study has not yet been peer reviewed.

:happycry:

[Pepe]

There you go Magic. That is how you do it.

[Magic]

:harold:

[Spikey M]

You ain't nothing but a bunch of slags.

There you go Keeks. That is how you do it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

From what I've read this morning, I think we may all be in a tizzy over relatively little with this variant.

Certainly Mark Drakeford thirsting to lock Wales down over Christmas might be a little off point.

[Lofty]

People don't understand what government is for. It's basically become a repository on which to blame all life's frustrations.

Hello Priti. Not really applicable at a time when goverment policy directly affects the entire population one way or another.

[Yevrah]

From what I've read this morning, I think we may all be in a tizzy over relatively little with this variant.

I would put very good money on that being the case. It'll be more transmissible and more people will end up in hospital and more will die as that's the way numbers work, but it won't be that many more and that'll be that.

See you all again in 6 to 12 months.

[Kikó]

:happycry:

Oh no I picked the wrong article. 🥲

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

If they're trying to bring more restrictions at this point what the hell is the end game? Do they expect us to do this every year?

Sturgeon urging parties to be cancelled as well now. :harold: Who's going to listen to that?

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's the disconnect between what they can do and what they should do. Government decides it's a good idea to work from home. Comedy writers on twitter scream '...erm, so why are we allowed to have Christmas parties? How does that make sense?'

Why does it have to make sense? Why would the government ban Christmas parties? It's not the government's job to make a perfectly stitched, but also highly dynamic, patchwork of laws to cover everything in everyone's life. It's their job to govern the country. Those are not the same thing.

[Manc]

On the ropes.

[Lofty]

It's the disconnect between what they can do and what they should do. Government decides it's a good idea to work from home. Comedy writers on twitter scream '...erm, so why are we allowed to have Christmas parties? How does that make sense?'

Why does it have to make sense? Why would the government ban Christmas parties? It's not the government's job to make a perfectly stitched, but also highly dynamic, patchwork of laws to cover everything in everyone's life. It's their job to govern the country. Those are not the same thing.

Maybe a decade ago but even without covid this is the government that tried to ban internet porn on a household by household basis, that's not governing the country it's the nanny state on steroids.

[Yevrah]

Question Time has been absolutely terrifying tonight, we're never going to be rid of this shit at this rate.

[Shindig]

I dunno, we've taken great strides against the ForeverFlu. The reason the other coronaviruses are so benign is down to centuries of exposure and mutations. And vaccinations. We're trying to stamp this one down in a matter of years.

[Yevrah]

I meant restrictions and idiots who can't decide whether to cancel their own Christmas party or not without the government telling them, we'll be stuck with COVID for our lifetimes.

[Spikey M]

I dunno, we've taken great strides against the ForeverFlu. The reason the other coronaviruses are so benign is down to centuries of exposure and mutations. And vaccinations. We're trying to stamp this one down in a matter of years.

Have we vaccinated against a CoronaVirus before? I didn't think we had SARS and MERS vaccines.

[Shindig]

Sorry, I jumped to the 'sure, this sounds right' conclusion that flu was a coronavirus. :D A SARS one was in development but the virus vanished before they could get properly going. Sure enough, this is the first batch of successful coronavirus vaccine.

[Andrew]

COVID passports in Wales are a complete waste of time, all people without them are doing is getting their mates to screenshot them and they all use the same picture to get in anywhere or changing the name on the texts..

Last year I had to watch my Auntie pass away with most of our family stood outside the hospital looking through a fucking glass window all the while these cunts in power are throwing parties behind closed doors.

Now it seems Drakeford is calling for Wales to go into a full National lockdown over Christmas.

Maybe if this Muppet had his wages stopped every time we closed everything down and it hit them personally they wouldn't be so quick to repeat this insanity.

[Kikó]

Sorry about your auntie.

[Yevrah]

COVID passports in Wales are a complete waste of time, all people without them are doing is getting their mates to screenshot them and they all use the same picture to get in anywhere or changing the name on the texts.

Fair play to the young uns for doing that. You try and manipulate me into getting a vaccine I don't really need? I'll manipulate your shitty system.

[Magic]

Can you send me some screenshots please Andrew lol.

[Yevrah]

Seems Gary Neville has joined the queue for the bus to end this shit and has told his staff they can work in the office if they want, while also rallying against vaccine passports and mandatory jabs.

This is not going to end well.

[Lewis]

I saw the words 'Gary Neville has issued a statement' the other day and immediately went off football.

[Offshore Toon]

Who made that thread asking how carefully everyone was following the rules? I'm certain it was last year, but I'd like to look at the results again.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Any word on Lee Sharpe's thoughts on the situation?

[7om]

Have we vaccinated against a CoronaVirus before? I didn't think we had SARS and MERS vaccines.

Never before. SARS and MERS fizzled out before a vaccine was developed.

[Yevrah]

Any word on Lee Sharpe's thoughts on the situation?

Turns out he's not coming to the rally Gary Neville is proposing. I'm not making that up. Well, at least not the rally bit.

[Giggles]

Take a break Yev horse, you’ve run mad.

[Yevrah]

I'll do as I please thanks Giggles.

[Spikey M]

Matt Le Tissier must be seething at Gary Neville elbowing in on his new patch.

[Yevrah]

Isn't Le Tiss an actual anti-vaxxer though, as opposed to someone who just thinks we shouldn't be forcing people to have them?

[Shindig]

I don't think we'll ever mandate it. We get enough coverage from willing participants. Plus us spreading the doses out probably gave the protection a longer tail.

[Giggles]

I'll do as I please thanks Giggles.

Cool. I’ll have the popcorn on standby again.

[Yevrah]

Cool. I’ll have the popcorn on standby again.

I mean, I'm fine, but if a terrified double masker is showing concern maybe I should be worried....

[Giggles]

I mean, I'm fine, but if a terrified double masker is showing concern maybe I should be worried....

You’re in no position to be attempting to slag off anyone you unhinged loon.

[Magic]

We've opted for the TSUNAMI narrative, which is highly amusing and expected. Bovid really is a cracking diversion.

[Giggles]

Bovid or novid? Is the former a typo or something the cranks have dreamt up?

[Boydy]

What is "bovid" meant to mean?
Please, someone, answer this.

Edit: I see Giggles is on it now too.

[Yevrah]

You’re in no position to be attempting to slag off anyone you unhinged loon.

You were wearing two masks throughout the pandemic for no medically justifiable reason whatsoever, will Omicron mean you reach for a third?

[Giggles]

You were wearing two masks throughout the pandemic for no medically justifiable reason whatsoever, will Omicron mean you reach for a third?

I don’t think it will, 2 has worked well in the responsibility I have to my customers.

Is the two mask thing the only defence you have for being a crackpot? Like, I throw two extremely easily worn things on my face for work but you’ve absolutely fucking lost it lately.

[Yevrah]

I don’t think it will, 2 has worked well in the responsibility I have to my customers.

2 have worked well in quashing the fear and insanity in your head, nothing more.

[Yevrah]

Is the two mask thing the only defence you have for being a crackpot? Like, I throw two extremely easily worn things on my face for work but you’ve absolutely fucking lost it.

It's interesting that you think wearing a second mask pointlessly for that length of time isn't the most loony thing either of us have done over the last two years. Get a third mask, it'll comfort you (and your customers rofl) during the choppy times ahead.

[niko_cee]

I'm pretty sure Giggles is just big on masks because most people think they're an unnecessary pain in the arse [he would say hole], such is his commitment to contrarianism/being a misery-guts.

[ScousePig]

I don't think we should be making light of matters where our health (and that of others) is concerned.

[Magic]

If some cunt came to me to do any work with 2 masks on they'd be shown the door on mental health grounds.

[Spikey M]

Bovid or novid? Is the former a typo or something the cranks have dreamt up?


Please, someone, answer this.

Edit: I see Giggles is on it now too.

Googling Bovid brought up Bovidae which is the family animals with hooves belong to. Including sheep.

So it's either referencing that or - more likely - he's just being thick.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Googling Bovid brought up Bovidae which is the family animals with hooves belong to. Including sheep.

So it's either referencing that or - more likely - he's just being thick.

I'll take option 2.

[Manc]

Say bothered in a Scottish accent.

[Shindig]

He should go back to calling the SNP Nazis.

[Giggles]

I'm pretty sure Giggles is just big on masks because most people think they're an unnecessary pain in the arse [he would say hole], such is his commitment to contrarianism/being a misery-guts.

I don’t. I just don’t have people closely around me for long periods in any other setting. When I do (work) I double up. I explained that before but Yev is trying to deflect from the fact he’s not far off being sectioned at this stage.

[Giggles]

Googling Bovid brought up Bovidae which is the family animals with hooves belong to. Including sheep.

So it's either referencing that or - more likely - he's just being thick.

So it’s just a magic thing and therefore irrelevant. Like magic.

[Yevrah]

I don’t. I just don’t have people closely around me for long periods in any other setting. When I do (work) I double up. I explained that before but Yev is trying to deflect from the fact he’s not far off being sectioned at this stage.

You're wearing two masks. Two masks. Just let that sink in.

[Spikey M]

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It's not a magic thing. It does appear to be a mong thing though.

[Yevrah]

I don't think we should be making light of matters where our health (and that of others) is concerned.

I'd normally agree and I did ask Giggles quite politely and respectfully about his mask choices before but sadly he continues to be a complete dickhead so the gloves (or should that be masks eh Giggles?) are off.

[Giggles]

You're wearing two masks. Two masks. Just let that sink in.

And you’re a raving lunatic and about 2 days off rocking in a corner chanting the word restrictions over and over. I’m pretty sure your opinion on masks is completely irrelevant.

[Giggles]

I don't think we should be making light of matters where our health (and that of others) is concerned.

Making light of it all is the only thing the conspiracy crew have as an argument.

[Yevrah]

And you’re a raving lunatic and about 2 days off rocking in a corner chanting the word restrictions over and over. I’m pretty sure your opinion on masks is completely irrelevant.

I've found a Christmas present for you, I'm sure your customers will love it.


https://i.postimg.cc/P5yJ50G0/Two-Masks-Giggles.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Just fill in the blanks and I'll pop it over to you.

Two Masks Giggles
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Kildare
Republic of Ireland

[Magic]

I'd normally agree and I did ask Giggles quite politely and respectfully about his mask choices before but sadly he continues to be a complete dickhead so the gloves (or should that be masks eh Giggles?) are off.

He probably wears disposable gloves as well.

[Spikey M]

EXPLAIN BOVID YOU CUNT x

[Yevrah]

Making light of it all is the only thing the conspiracy crew have as an argument.

Erm, I think he might have been talking to you too. Are you autistic as well as preferring to wear two masks? Might need some medical help mate.

[Giggles]

Erm, I think he might have been talking to you too. Are you autistic as well as preferring to wear two masks? Might need some medical help mate.

Fucking hell :D

You’re a silly head so you are. Lad.

[Yevrah]

That looks like a backing down. Which is good as I'm 18 minutes late for a documentary on BIG PHARMA.

[Giggles]

Yep, a backing down. Whatever keeps you functional.

I’ll go back to the popcorn.

[Yevrah]

Yep, a backing down. Whatever keeps you functional.

Whatever it is, it sure as shit isn't two masks.

[Giggles]

Like I said, irrelevant and it’s poor that you’ve gone so far down the rabbit hole and yet it’s the main (only?) argument you have.

Like look, you’re mostly agreeing with magic. One of the most stupid and biggest cretins who has ever set foot on this planet. Let that sink in while you’re watching your tv show.
You were a lot more fun when you were having your first lapse about the sitcom.

[Baz]

I’ve watched a lot of street fight videos and usually decide, before the natural end, which participant I want to come out on top.

I can’t separate these two though.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e3/5e/0e/e35e0e52dbcbb9e426bb3e05c5b5dca2.gif

[Yevrah]

Like look, you’re mostly agreeing with magic

Two masks in the spotlight, autism diagnosis and now monstrously wrong/making things up. Not been a good day for you eh.

[Spikey M]

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bovid&amp=true&defid=16280147


Bovid 19
Bovid 19 is what Blood's use to say Covid 19. Due to affiliation to the blood gang, they claim to be dropping Crip's left and right, to the point where they were even drop saying the"C" letter. Bovid 19 is another word for Covid 19
Blood member 1: Where is the homie?
Blood member 2: He can't come he's got Bovid 19
by BigDaddyBovid19 August 31, 2021

:nono: fuck sake Magib.

[Magic]

Like I said, irrelevant and it’s poor that you’ve gone so far down the rabbit hole and yet it’s the main (only?) argument you have.

Like look, you’re mostly agreeing with magic. One of the most stupid and biggest cretins who has ever set foot on this planet. Let that sink in while you’re watching your tv show.
You were a lot more fun when you were having your first lapse about the sitcom.

Most people agree with me now.

[ScousePig]

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bovid&amp=true&defid=16280147



:nono: fuck sake Magib.

At least he knows now.

[randomlegend]

Bovid is presumably referencing Boris, as in it's now "his" pandemic that he's using to do things for political gain rather than the good of the country/its people.

[Kikó]

I can't believe that covid would be the thing that made me love giggles.

[Don]

The news today :D speaking about the grave risks of cases getting out of hand. Some Scottish prick talking about how if there is 1 positive in a room of 100 people, in a couple of days, it could be 50-60 people who have it 'this is what we're fighting!!'.

Just need to make sure we look out for each other boys. I've done my part, you make sure you do yours.

[Baz]

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[Yevrah]

The BBC back on form with an article seemingly written for five year olds.


The UK is facing a substantial wave of Omicron infections in January without further restrictions, according to scientists.

However, there is huge uncertainty about how much pressure that will pile on the NHS.

Uncertainty means the numbers needing hospital care could be significantly larger or smaller than last winter.

But the researchers said tougher restrictions may be needed to prevent Omicron overwhelming hospitals.

The work by the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine is not a crystal ball. It does not say what will happen with Omicron but gives a range of possible outcomes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59621029

[Spikey M]

"Uncertainty means the numbers needing hospital care could be significantly larger or smaller than last winter."

Cheers lads. :D

[Yevrah]

:D

Having read that the crystal ball line sent me over the edge.

[Kikó]

It could be worse, better, the same or who knows say experts.

[Browning]

Boosters available to book online now for anyone in England it seems.

[Yevrah]

Is anyone here who had the first two not going to get one?

[Don]

These cunts have to continue getting them for the remainder of their days now or risk having their worlds fall apart :harold:

[Yevrah]

Well, I only had my second four months ago and I don't believe the protection from that will have waned enough for me to need another one now to avoid serious illness and I don't fancy a day or two feeling like shit, so I might just leave it until I'm forced to get one to get on a plane, which will only be a matter of time anyway.

[niko_cee]

Side effects are for losers. Or for those with functioning immune systems, I forget. Anyway, I've had three and barely had more than a sore arm. I'm not sure why you would have two and then not another if it's being rolled out gratis and has zero impact on your life other than making it easier.

[Kikó]

I'm getting a booster on the twentieth with either Moderna or Pfizer.

[Yevrah]

First one made me feel pretty rough for 24 hours, but was clearly worth the pay off. Not sure this one is.


I'm not sure why you would have two and then not another if it's being rolled out gratis and has zero impact on your life other than making it easier.

You could say the same about the flu jab and how many of us bothered going out of our way to get that? I know I never did despite thinking almost every year that I would.

[Spikey M]

I'll get it at some point, don't think I'm at 6 months yet though. I'll probably just get it whenever my Mrs books hers for.

[Yevrah]

I'll get it at some point, don't think I'm at 6 months yet though. I'll probably just get it whenever my Mrs books hers for.

Don't need to be now, they changed it to 3 IIRC.

[niko_cee]

First one made me feel pretty rough for 24 hours, but was clearly worth the pay off. Not sure this one is.



You could say the same about the flu jab and how many of us bothered going out of our way to get that? I know I never did despite thinking almost every year that I would.

I don't in anyway think I particularly need this, and there is obviously a fair amount of moral hazard in just jabbing those who don't really need it whilst those who do the world over go without, but those decisions are not within my power, so if this makes my life easier, then fine. I don't get the flu jab and probably won't unless it also becomes in some way mandatory [at least in practical terms].

[Yevrah]

Sounds like we're in the same boat, I'll just likely leave it until it will make my life easier rather than do it now on the off chance the nonsense stops.

[Shindig]

I was planning on getting mine in February ahead of travelling. My parents are already covered.

[Baz]

First one made me feel pretty rough for 24 hours, but was clearly worth the pay off. Not sure this one is.


Isn’t the booster better than the 2 doses, and therefore worth having?

Apparently my cousin had a bad reaction to the booster and ended up in A&E overnight, but he also suffered a life altering brain injury last Christmas so that probably played a part.

[Yevrah]

Isn’t the booster better than the 2 doses, and therefore worth having?

It is, but how much am I at risk anyway being in my early 40s and already having had two jabs, the last of which was only about 4 months ago.

[Yevrah]

My parents are already covered.

My Mum's just got hers - were I in a risk group I'd absolutely be doing the same ASAP.

[Giggles]

I don’t get my booster until May now, unless they pull in the gaps between.

[Manc]

I was planning on getting mine in February ahead of travelling. My parents are already covered.

Hold up. Do you need to have the booster prior to travel?

[Shindig]

Between here and March, I'm taking no chances. :D I could see America going that route.

[Yevrah]

Hold up. Do you need to have the booster prior to travel?

Not yet, but it's inevitable you will.

[Alex]

Is anyone here who had the first two not going to get one?

For as long as my first two doses maintain my "fully vaccinated" status for the purpose of doing things (travelling outside the country, attending certain events) then probably not, no. No particular reason. I haven't gone anti-vax or anything like that. I just can't be fucking arsed. I can't be bothered getting jabbed in the arm every six months ad infinitum. Same reason I don't get my flu jab when it's offered every year I suppose, I just don't care about it enough.

[Yevrah]

For as long as my first two doses maintain my "fully vaccinated" status for the purpose of doing things (travelling outside the country, attending certain events) then probably not, no. No particular reason. I haven't gone anti-vax or anything like that. I just can't be fucking arsed. I can't be bothered getting jabbed in the arm every six months ad infinitum. Same reason I don't get my flu jab when it's offered every year I suppose, I just don't care about it enough.

I suspect there will be many millions in the same boat as you, which will accelerate the booster being needed to class as fully vaccinated.

[Luke Emia]

I’ve been thinking about this the last few days in terms of the government wants everyone to be jabbed but don’t want to make it law that you have to be jabbed. The answer is surely as simple as you make anyone who isn’t jabbed life as difficult as possible. You want to go for a meal where’s you Covid vaccination? You want to get on that train where’s your Covid vaccination? You want to go in any shop that is non-essential where is your vaccination?

In the news today there seem to be small utterances of further restrictions pre Christmas and potentially more after Christmas it’s around what 10% of the adult population who haven’t been jabbed? Fine make their lives hell. Because what you can’t keep doing is shutting down the economy indefinitely because a small proportion of your population won’t have a vaccine. Or really extreme as it may sound you don’t have the jab that’s fine but you can’t use the NHS for free if you wind up in hospital with Covid expect the bill if you live or die.

Because for me at this point I’m sick to death of having done the right thing to have no benefit from it and if the government say there is going to be another lockdown between now and me having a third jab I genuinely would wonder if I would have it.

[Shindig]

I think, once the boosters are dished out, that's it. We'll have to crack on.

[Luke Emia]

I think, once the boosters are dished out, that's it. We'll have to crack on.

But we won’t. There will still be too many people unvaccinated. The thing with the NHS is a red-herring it’s not Covid it’s the fucking waiting lists. I had a referral from my GP last week got a letter yesterday current waiting list is 38 weeks. It’s not necessarily Covid that’s the issue it’s all the other shit that hasn’t been done in the last 21 months.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's less to do with the unvaccinated I think and more to do with politicians needing to perpetuate the illusion of being in control.

I mean, they could expand NHS capacity any time they liked.

[Spikey M]

It's less to do with the unvaccinated I think and more to do with politicians needing to perpetuate the illusion of being in control.

I mean, they could expand NHS capacity any time they liked.

Could they? Haven't we had about 8 trillion unfilled doctor vacancies for about 10 years now?

I mean, we could start offering comparable pay to the Yanks, but it's not that simple considering the funding differences.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I mean in terms of immediate ability to bed up covid patients (which is what allegedly causes restrictions).

[Luke Emia]

Could they? Haven't we had about 8 trillion unfilled doctor vacancies for about 10 years now?

I mean, we could start offering comparable pay to the Yanks, but it's not that simple considering the funding differences.

To be fair look how much money has been pissed away and continues to be pissed away on Covid. They could fund the NHS they have just chosen not to.

[Spikey M]

I mean in terms of immediate ability to bed up covid patients (which is what allegedly causes restrictions).

But surely the beds are only an issue because of the staff shortages. Otherwise the Nightingale Centres would have been, well... not a complete waste of money.

[Spikey M]

To be fair look how much money has been pissed away and continues to be pissed away on Covid. They could fund the NHS they have just chosen not to.

The problem is that the NHS is a bit of a monetary black hole. Would throwing money at it fix the problems? Maybe. Or maybe they just employ another four levels of management.

The whole NHS needs an overhaul. An ernest one, not a cost cutting one.

[Lewis]

I like the theory that there will always be loads more unvaccinated people than the government claims because official population projections are balls. The supermarkets have been saying for years that the population is well over seventy million, so when the government claims that ninety per cent of people etc. actually no we are well short.

[Luke Emia]

The problem is that the NHS is a bit of a monetary black hole. Would throwing money at it fix the problems? Maybe. Or maybe they just employ another four levels of management.

The whole NHS needs an overhaul. An ernest one, not a cost cutting one.

That’s true. But no politician ever wants to take the time to fix things within government. That’s too long term all they care about is the next opinion polls.

[Magic]

I'll have less grotesque fat cunts telling me I need to get vaccinated for a disease I've already had lol.

[Yevrah]

But we won’t. There will still be too many people unvaccinated. The thing with the NHS is a red-herring it’s not Covid it’s the fucking waiting lists. I had a referral from my GP last week got a letter yesterday current waiting list is 38 weeks. It’s not necessarily Covid that’s the issue it’s all the other shit that hasn’t been done in the last 21 months.

It's worth pointing out that the unvaccinated thing is a red herring too, in that it still spreads like wildfire if you've been vaxxed. Sure you're much less likely to be hospitalised or die from it if you've been double jabbed and/or boosted, but in a population the sixe of ours (more if Lewis and the supermarkets are correct) it takes an incredibly small percentage of people who get it badly to produce (in absolute terms) a significant number of hospitalisations. So unless the vaccines get better, the virus fucks off to the pub, or sense is finally seen, we'll be doing this for a while longer yet.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The whole NHS needs an overhaul. An ernest one

10/10 if that's intentional.

[Boydy]

What's this about supermarkets and the population?

[Lewis]

There was a thing years ago about supermarket[s] claiming that, based on the amount of food they were selling (and something to do with sewage), there were about ten million people unaccounted for in official statistics. The government and other losers called it a conspiracy theory and it went away, but it came up again recently when that European settled status scheme found that the 'three million' Europeans living here was actually twice that. If there is something to that then they will also be the sort of people less liable to be vaccinated (ethnics, younger people), so we are stuffed in the medium-term.

[Queenslander]

The Supreme Leader of Western Australia needs to calm the fuck down.



Western Australia imposes stricter COVID-19 border rules on Queensland amid outbreak


https://www.sbs.com.au/news/western-australia-imposes-stricter-covid-19-border-rules-on-queensland-amid-outbreak/3702348d-07e4-4f06-a95f-90f6ee1dae15?fbclid=IwAR0pFmXh0LsRddg2vLlQkeZapZsM ra7Z-Y6YkxCW8ddx_6QkFKJYtNOMbE0

[Andrew]

Government scientists predicting 75000 deaths by April

They have been spot on with with all their predictions for the past 24 months.

We are doomed. DOOMED!!

[Magic]

Lockdown ahoy.

[randomlegend]

There was a thing years ago about supermarket[s] claiming that, based on the amount of food they were selling (and something to do with sewage).

Could that not just be explained by people being greedy bastards?

[Bernanke]

Could that not just be explained by people beig greedy bastards?

I assume some products are fairly consistent on a per person basis. Or maybe they use twice the toilet paper to wipe their arses.

[Baz]

What about Taz's boiz who don't use it?

[Kikó]

Government scientists predicting 75000 deaths by April

They have been spot on with with all their predictions for the past 24 months.

We are doomed. DOOMED!!

These model predictions are consistently batshit. I gave no idea why they are given any reporting time.

[Yevrah]

Even the low end estimate of 25,000 seems a bit steep. We'd need over 200 deaths a day on average to get there.

[Shindig]

Yeah, since the jabs took effect in March, we've had 25,000 deaths. We're not pulling that in whatever wave's coming up.

[Yevrah]

Fully vaccinated people in England who are close contacts of Covid cases will be told to take daily lateral flow tests for seven days from Tuesday.

Those who test positive, develop symptoms, or are unvaccinated should self-isolate for 10 days.

But people will not need to isolate if the tests remain negative and they have had at least two vaccine doses.

It means people in close contact with suspected or confirmed Omicron variant cases no longer need to self-isolate.

NHS lateral flow tests - which are available in boxes of seven - are free from pharmacies or via online order.

Are we paying for those directly? You're looking at over £100 if so.

[Raoul Duke]

Plus that will have been a lot of easy targets. The ones that are left are less likely to get fucked sideways by it

[Raoul Duke]

Are we paying for those directly? You're looking at over £100 if so.


NHS lateral flow tests - which are available in boxes of seven - are free from pharmacies or via online order.

It's in your quote

[Yevrah]

Jesus. :face:

I'm a mess after the end of the F1 race.

[Magic]

Announcement tonight. Lockdown. :drool:

[niko_cee]

Scotland announcement or UK announcement?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Scotland announcement or UK announcement?

UK.

Alert level has also been pushed up to 4.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59629916

He is expected to provide an update on the booster programme. The BBC has been told there will not be any more new rules announced.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He has probably seen data pointing towards the booster killing this (definitely looks that way based on the age splits I've seen) so should open up boosters to all 18+ to get some more cross-age group immunity.

[Manc]

8pm on a Sunday? Leave it out.

[Kikó]

Announcement tonight. Lockdown. :drool:

Look how excited you are. 🤤

[Shindig]

Not as excited as I am to come down with symptoms. :uhoh:

So ... they want every adult boostered by the end of this month? Optimistic.

[Magic]

Going with the aqua themed scare mongering again.

[Spikey M]

That was 10% about urging people to get boosted and 90% about being seen to be taking this seriously whilst also avoiding having to take questions about the parties last year.

If they had a brain they would just get the likes of Kate Garraway to promote the vaccine. Nobody that isn't jabbed is going to do so because Boris Johnson asked them nicely after Strictly.

[Yevrah]

That wouldn't work either, no one at this stage is going to get a vaccine who doesn't want one and the danger they're also facing now due to the increasingly chronic mishandling of this (from both a general Boris and a science messaging perspective) is that the booster uptake is going to be dogshit compared to the original vaccination one. If we genuinely do all need a booster to protect us, we're fucked.

[niko_cee]

Eat your heart out Italian Fake Arm Man (https://uk.yahoo.com/news/unbelievably-selfish-man-receives-covid-181726565.html)

:cab:

[Shindig]

I bet his heart's fucked. :D

[Yevrah]

Another win for vaccine passports there.

[7om]

And it won’t harm him at all.

[Baz]

Lots of screenshots surfacing of social media DMs (not PMs) along the lines of "we've got the same name, can you send me your proof of vaccine please?"

[Don]

Surely in this day and age kids can change the name easy enough.

[Baz]

Surely in this day and age kids can change the name easy enough.

Kids like me and you could but spackers with a Google Pixel seemingly cannot

[Magic]

Meetings with customers etc starting to get cancelled now. Pure joke.

[Spikey M]

Wish mine would.

[Magic]

I agree if it was anything but sales.

[Giggles]

Would have been a waste of time anyway then regardless.

[Yevrah]

Meetings with customers etc starting to get cancelled now. Pure joke.

I think what's happening is that even people who aren't that bothered about catching COVID are bothered (or their wives are) about missing out on the Christmas family tour over Christmas Day and Boxing Day due to having to isolate.

[Spikey M]

To be fair we had Norovirus over Christmas 2018 and Flu (maybe FauxVid) over Christmas 2019. I wouldn't be putting myself AT RISK by exposing myself to some dodgy Scotch WiFi Salesman right now.

[Jimmy Floyd]

You don't have to expose yourself, unless you're both into that sort of thing I suppose.

[Spikey M]

Speaking of which, whatever happened to flashers? They were all the rage when we were growing up, but you never hear of them anymore.

[Yevrah]

There was an article on the Beeb over the weekend suggesting they’ve moved online now.

[Jimmy Floyd]

There was a prolific flasher round my way a few years ago. Hid on the riverbank and whipped it out for dog walkers. Finally got hauled in after about a year.

[Spikey M]

Fuck sake Walley became Fifa, Man Hunt became COD and now even sex crimes are committed via DM.

and with that we circle back neatly onto why Internet dealers like Magic are to be avoided.

[niko_cee]

I think what's happening is that even people who aren't that bothered about catching COVID are bothered (or their wives are) about missing out on the Christmas family tour over Christmas Day and Boxing Day due to having to isolate.

100%, which is presumably why they are sacking off the isolation rule for contacts.

[Spikey M]

Someone has died from Omicron apparently.

https://pics.me.me/shut-down-everything-shut-down-everything-meme-51419583.png

[Magic]

No they've died WITH it. No explanation that it was probably some fat old dud at deaths fucking door anyway.

[Baz]

Thanks for providing a captioned version of that meme. Wasn’t sure what it was getting at.

[Giggles]

Another full-on proper lockdown, done with harsher enforcement, would be great. Weed out the mentally weak and make the traffic class - win win.

[Spikey M]

Thanks for providing a captioned version of that meme. Wasn’t sure what it was getting at.

https://pics.esmemes.com/youre-welcome-memegenerator-net-youre-welcome-moana-maui-meme-52752082.png

[Yevrah]

He and presumably Whitty and Valance are now actually asking people to set aside the science.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59639007


"So I think the idea that this is somehow a milder version of the virus, I think that's something we need to set on one side and just recognise the sheer pace at which it accelerates through the population."

Outstanding from all concerned.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The weird thing is, based on my observations to date, I'm not sure the frozen dinners brigade / Facebook mums are going with him this time, at least not en masse like they did with previous waves.

Caution for caution's sake yet again.

[Yevrah]

What observations have you seen? My Sister is basically in the Mrs 45 Mum's circle (ironically probably spreading COVID at their coffee mornings) and others within it are still TERRIFIED (one keeps trying to convince her that she really should get her kids vaxxed, despite them both recently having had COVID), leading me to believe we might need another round or two of bullshit to start to see them turn.

Outside of those people, I'd be surprised if this isn't doing huge damage to faith in science and vaccines. Will be very interesting to see the numbers on the boosters vs. the latter.

[Yevrah]

Essentially we're watching the Boy Who Cried Wolf play out on a national and global scale.

[Kikó]

No they've died WITH it. No explanation that it was probably some fat old dud at deaths fucking door anyway.

Derp.

[Magic]

Derp.

Desperate for it to be a young, healthy person. Sad.

[Spikey M]

It's just been announced it's a South African that died in a car crash.

[Manc]

He and presumably Whitty and Valance are now actually asking people to set aside the science.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59639007



Outstanding from all concerned.

Truly terrifying.

[Giggles]

It's just been announced it's a South African that died in a car crash.

Tragic is on the way down to point and laugh at the wreckage.

[Magic]

It's just been announced it's a South African that died in a car crash.

:D

Seriously.

[Spikey M]

:D

Seriously.

No not seriously you fucking sperg.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

No not seriously you fucking sperg.
He'll still tell people that's what happened though.

[Don]

You fucks have crashed websites in your scramble for boosters and LFTs, I don't think we're short of reasons to lol.

[Magic]

already tweeted it under my account 'the secret tther'

[Yevrah]

To be fair on the LFT's, the English public has proven time and time again that if something is in any danger whatsoever of going into short supply they'll have it, whether they need it or not.

[Magic]

You fucks have crashed websites in your scramble for boosters and LFTs, I don't think we're short of reasons to lol.

My bird's mum knows someone who does LFTs every time they leave the house HAHAHAHA.

[Spikey M]

1470375322596085765?t=9xVLjhTHknpByFz69rID9A&s=19

[Magic]

Boris is using these diversionary tactics wonderfully. So is turdgeon as well as her SUPER HOSPITAL keeps killing kids.

[Giggles]

Bovid.

[Spikey M]

I'm still seething "Fauxvid" didn't catch on.

[Giggles]

I'm still seething "Fauxvid" didn't catch on.

The work nutcase here was full on with "Plandemic" the whole time. I'm susprised none of our resident TTH spoons went with it.

[Magic]

I'm still seething "Fauxvid" didn't catch on.

Too clever.

[Magic]

The work nutcase here was full on with "Plandemic" the whole time. I'm susprised none of our resident TTH spoons went with it.

Scamdemic.

[Don]

What's the cost per unit of these LFTs? All I can find on google is govt refusing to disclose it which I'm sure allays Yev's suspicions but it would be a joy to note.

[Yevrah]

What's the cost per unit of these LFTs? All I can find on google is govt refusing to disclose it which I'm sure allays Yev's suspicions but it would be a joy to note.

People will be making money hand over fist out them. We also know the government gave a load of contracts to their mates when this kicked off, but money definitely isn't the motivating factor for any of this continued shitshow.

[Spikey M]

I should probably know by now, but are the LFT's the ones you do yourself or the ones that go to the lab?

If it's the latter then it will be really interesting to see where the Government go from here without case data.

[Yevrah]

Do yourself.

[Magic]

Wonder if the £37 billion track and trace is now the £37 billion vaccine passport system.

[Yevrah]

And also the ones our doctors and nurses were relying on early doors and why over half the deaths from this have come from people who caught it in a care environment.

Their accuracy is shocking, we know it's shocking and yet we're still pushing them hugely.

[Yevrah]

Don, this reckons £8 a time for the Welsh. I do not know of the validity of this particular publication.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/lateral-flow-tests-covid-cost-20937588

If it is true and the other bits below are too, fucking lol:


There have been 2,655,667 "recorded tests in Wales" since January 1 according to PHW.
If they cost £8 each then this is a cost of £21,245,336.
Of those tests 2,383 have come back positive.
This means that it has cost £8,915 for every positive test.

This has to be the most colossal waste of money in all of human history. I thought HS2 was fucking shit, but at least there's an actual train line at the end of it.

[Giggles]

They can't be the same as the antigen tests we do here at that sort of money. I thought they were the same thing under a different name.

[Spikey M]

£8 each? :D

I've got about 60 quid worth in the bathroom cupboard. How the fuck do they cost that much?

[Don]

Surely it'll be under £1 given what they are but if it's anything over £1, I'm lolling all over the gaff.

[Yevrah]

UK numbers, assume these are all tests and that PCR's must cost more than £8.

369,208,867 tests
10,819,515 positives

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases

So if it is £8 for each of the UK tests (presumably like I said it'll be more), we've spent £3bn on them, with a hit rate of less than 3%.

Utter madness.

[Magic]

Can't wait to see some of the accounts of these contract winners. :drool:

[Yevrah]

£8 each? :D

I've got about 60 quid worth in the bathroom cupboard. How the fuck do they cost that much?

Because people are profiteering from this on an industrial scale - the one I had to buy in order to get back into the country after visiting Italy cost me £19.50 and that doesn't even include delivery. I appreciate I bought that from a commercial seller and government costs will be much less, but these things will absolutely cost pennies to make. Was fascinating to me to see that until we'd run out tests we were going for testing every day ahead of isolating. Tests that don't work with any reasonable degree of accuracy.

Do you start to see now why I'm increasingly convinced why it's money oiling the wheels of this?

[Yevrah]

Can't wait to see some of the accounts of these contract winners. :drool:

I'd imagine by and large the companies involved will be of a size that you won't be able to segregate their cost of sales and possibly even their sales of tests from their other activities.


A year of robust underlying trading was boosted significantly by an increase in demand for lateral flow tests.

Etc.

[ScousePig]

I'm still seething "Fauxvid" didn't catch on.

Imagine the idiots who buy into that kind of thing trying to spell or pronounce that.

It's the same reason football chants must be simple, generic and chanted at hundred times the pace they were designed for.

[ScousePig]

I've got loads of LFTs and can't even test myself for 90 days.

[Yevrah]

I've got loads of LFTs and can't even test myself for 90 days.

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about that too. They don't work at all if you've had it. :D

[Kikó]

UK numbers, assume these are all tests and that PCR's must cost more than £8.

369,208,867 tests
10,819,515 positives

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases

So if it is £8 for each of the UK tests (presumably like I said it'll be more), we've spent £3bn on them, with a hit rate of less than 3%.

Utter madness.

What kind of metric are you using? The purpose of the test isn't to only find positives so the 3% is basically irrelevant.

[niko_cee]

How's that? My daughter had it, picked up by lft, and she's been doing them, and getting negs (only had it early October). I'm not sure they're as shit as made out. Think ours cost something like £17 for 5 (this was the line when a £25 charge was placed on them for arriving travellers - £8 admin fee :happycry:). Still a monumental waste.

[Kikó]

Whether they work is a different measure versus whether 3% is the right number of positive tests you should be getting.

[niko_cee]

My comment was more to do with the posts above yours regarding their utility if you have had it.

[Yevrah]

What kind of metric are you using? The purpose of the test isn't to only find positives so the 3% is basically irrelevant.

I'm mainly going for the metric that they don't really appear to be doing that much - we still have (and have always had outside of lockdowns) rampant transmission in the population and that (LFT's specifically) were an active danger when being used by medical professionals getting back on the job. They may well be still for that matter - I haven't checked lately how many people are catching it in hospitals these days.

I think they probably work very well in authoritarian led countries with willingly compliant populations, but here? Not so much.

[Magic]

Kiko's trigger happy defending of this entire shambles is a joy to behold.

[Yevrah]

Whether they work is a different measure versus whether 3% is the right number of positive tests you should be getting.

The point of the 3%, and I should have been clearer, is really back to my experience where I was strongly recommended to go and get a PCR test on the back of next to nothing. I wonder how often that happens and how many tests are being done needlessly. Still, I suppose if we've paid for them we may as well use them.

[igor_balis]

No not seriously you fucking sperg.

:D

[Kikó]

I'm mainly going for the metric that they don't really appear to be doing that much - we still have (and have always had outside of lockdowns) rampant transmission in the population and that (LFT's specifically) were an active danger when being used by medical professionals getting back on the job. They may well be still for that matter - I haven't checked lately how many people are catching it in hospitals these days.

I think they probably work very well in authoritarian led countries with willingly compliant populations, but here? Not so much.

The point is to catch the virus earlier with ongoing testing rather than to use as a catch once you have it. You'd expect low positive rates because it's used for that reason.

I'm not defending the usefulness or price of it, just saying your measure is duff.

[Yevrah]

The point is to catch the virus earlier with ongoing testing rather than to use as a catch once you have it.

Feel free to have another run at that.

[Kikó]

Probably poorly worded but PCR is basically just to confirm when you are showing symptoms. Antigen is to catch when you're not symptomatic. You can stop the spread of the virus earlier because you've flagged it through the antigen.

[Yevrah]

Of course, but last time I checked we had a virus that (outside of lockdowns) is still spreading like wildfire despite administering 370m tests. i.e. the testing strategy isn't working here. If you lock everyone in their homes (ala China) and then test everyone, I'm sure it works wonderfully.

[Don]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/13/can-you-trust-a-negative-lateral-flow-covid-test

Good piece that to clarify matters. Either ignore their result or take a lot more of them.

The UK government has always stressed that people with Covid symptoms should seek a PCR test, rather than relying on a LFT. Yet, it still defines these symptoms as a high temperature, new, continuous cough and/or a loss or change to your sense of smell or taste – despite widespread evidence that headaches, fatigue, a sore throat or runny nose are also common Covid symptoms.

:D

[Boydy]

Yev:

1470428102744498182

[Magic]

We're going full EU.

[7om]

I’m team bovid.

[Yevrah]

Inevitable really, another step on the road to mandating vaccines and annual boosters. In the meantime - don't want your kid to get a vaccine? Try taking him to the football now fucker.

[Pepe]

University's president just announced that our students will be required to take the booster to be able to enroll next semester. Because 18-21 year olds are in such great danger. :harold:

[ScousePig]

The people they come into contact with, on the other hand...

[Yevrah]

The people they come into contact with, on the other hand...

Can still catch it even if they were vaccinated.

[ScousePig]

But the risk is reduced, therefore it's worth doing.

[Pepe]

The people they come into contact with, on the other hand...

Can get their vaccine if they feel like it. We all survived a full year before vaccines even existed.

[Magic]

The people they come into contact with, on the other hand...

Desperate to teach from home and further fail future generations. Shameful.

[Magic]

If you're pro-Bovid you've 100% got an agenda, it's pretty predictable what it is as well if you know anything about the person.

[Pepe]

A few professors did threaten to sue the university if they were not allowed to teach remotely. They were obviously lolled off the park.