Coronavirus Death Thread

[Yevrah]

As for me, if anyone cares, this week's been challenging.

Haven't left the house for 4 days now, which I'm cool with so far and provisions are holding up on the food and toilet roll front, but I am running out of vape juice. There's a shop 3 miles away from me with a supermarket next to it so I may venture out at some point over the next week to get some and also re-stock the essentials (I'm trying to time this just before things go into first phase meltdown as I'd really rather not be out then, but ultimately that's probably futile as I will be out during one of them). If I want to play Russian Roulette with my lungs there's a co-op very close to me that I could just buy some fags and food from, but I'd rather not be potentially cocking the barrel and putting the gun to my head by smoking.

Trying to keep a business operational and move staff to work from safe(r) locations from my kitchen table has been quite tough. Long days, with a huge number of calls, Teams meetings, Skype calls and an inbox that's growing faster than the virus itself and every time I beat it down the fucker just comes back again. Due to the position I hold I want to show leadership at all times and stay in contact with my team as much as they need, which has actually been fine so far and I'd put this week on a level of "not as bad as other weeks I've had during my career". But, and it's a huge but, it's all been done against the backdrop of knowing full well that where we are now is a piece of piss compared to what's coming.

I can't quite work out what this will look like, but there'll come a time when we all as a society realise we're on Italy's trajectory and that's going to hit hard. When it does we'll still be climbing that peak, with a fuck load more to traverse, but the further up it we go the more people are going to be out of action and the harder it will be for those left to cope.

People in my team are going to get sick, two of them are in the risk group, one of which is older and in the risk group. I don't know the family circumstances of all of the team (as we're split between two offices), but one of them has an 84 year old mother with early stage dementia in a care home. So if they don't get sick, their loved ones will. I'm fully expecting to have to have a conversation with someone who has lost a loved one that they couldn't say goodbye to and will not be able to hold a funeral for. I'm not sure how I'll deal with that, let alone how they will. As people start to drop off from being able to work, essential functions will no longer be able to be carried out - I've already adopted the mantra of if it doesn't keep our people safe or keep the business going then we shouldn't be doing it.

We'll also start to lose branches, and customers will not be able to pay us when the work dries up (everyone is over trading like a fucker at the moment to get as much work as they can done which is only going to end one way), so the pressures will ramp up hugely. It'll become harder to get emotional support from friends when they start experiencing the loss of loved ones and I won't be able to support them properly either. Then there's the possibility I might lose someone I care about myself. I won't be able to see them or say goodbye to them, but all of the above will need to carry on as I'll be letting down people in the business who're a lot less fortunate than me if it doesn't.

If we get through this without any of the above happening to me or people I care about then I'll consider myself unbelievably lucky, I already am in many ways. I genuinely don't know how those on the front line of the NHS are going cope and each and every one of them should get some form of formal recognition when this is over.

The biggest thing I've noticed so far is that time seems to be losing meaning. Events have moved so quickly and I've been rushed off my arse, so the week should have flown by, and actually it has in some respects, but then I stop to think and last Friday seems like a lifetime ago. With February feeling like a distant, but simpler memory already. I don't understand how that works yet, I guess I'll come to.

[Yevrah]

At the same time, there are a lot less 85-year old nonnas in Zimbabwe.

Only because no one there lives that long. It'll take down whatever the equivalent age is instead.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Kudos for that way of thinking, as a boss/manager/whatever you are. I'm on the receiving end of the precise opposite approach and to be honest that's why I'm not sleeping now and probably won't be for a bit.

We're all going to find out who we really are in this period.

[Lewis]

https://i.imgur.com/ozdzhp8.jpg?1

'York-shire! York-shire! York-shire!'

[Don]

Yev, if you've literally not left the house at all I [commend your mental fortitude and] suggest you pencil in a walk at least every other day, you fucking lunatic.

[Lewis]

What are the Welsh playing at?

[Jimmy Floyd]

What are the Welsh playing at?

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/2020/feb/01/six-nations-2020-wales-v-italy-live

[Boydy]

They also had a fucking Stereophonics concert in Cardiff the other night.

[Kikó]

Good stuff Yev. It's been a bit of a logistical nightmare this week trying to get my India team online and generally trying to connect all of us over a medium that's bank compliant (spoiler: we didn't). Me and the wife have definitely been out too much either the gym or the shops but generally avoided too much contact. Not been in a large group for a while and we've both been working from home for the week.

More worried about my parents and grandma who are still going to shop despite not needing to and generally not changing anything in lifestyle. It's fucking with my mind how they're going to head straight first into disaster.

[Lewis]

No wonder Taz is bristling if you think he's Indian.

[Boydy]

Ah yes, the gym, where people don't sweat all over everything.

[Don]

You should see the twat's selfies with the wife this week, I'd post them up if I wasn't a dick but honestly, just :D

[Don]

Ah yes, the gym, where people don't sweat all over everything.

It's not transmitted via sweat afawk in all fairness. Which must be why Boris didn't order the whorehouses to shut, thankfully.

[Yevrah]

Not enough focus has been placed on the fact that this cunt of a virus appears to live on surfaces for hours, if not days. As a result, people who've been distancing while they're out think they're fine but are still catching and spreading it from touching shit.

As far as I understand it, I could stay inside for the next two years and still catch the fucker from opening my post.

[Don]

More :rasta: talk but on the financial impact, I'll be refunding my £5K rail season ticket in the morning and absolutely pulling up the drawbridge to any businesses that would ordinarily have got my money (e.g. gym). I'm going to be coming out of this looking like Jeff Bezos with hair from a short-term April (+ May, June, July....) overheads perspective. Now if I wasn't as selfish and actually continued to fund them (maybe even gone as far as buying gift cards to my regular haunts) and I was the model for the rest of society, we could ride this out real smoothly. Maybe.

[Pepe]

I got a carryout pizza. I have to admit I gave it a second thought when I saw the lad kneading that dough with his bare hands, but then I said fuck it and just beasted the darn thing. It was excellent as usual, but now my stomach is aching. RIP me.

[Pepe]

My wife is suggesting that we keep paying the cleaning lady even if she decides not to come.

[Don]

You gone and got a caucasian wife, Pepe? Fuck sake, and the first mention I saw upon logging in was you sounding the tick ting alert. Wait, is she tick? You found the holy grail fam?

[Don]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETmDq5_XsAIV1ka?format=jpg&name=large

USA :happycry:

[Boydy]

With the 80% of workers' wages thing today, are businesses that aren't vital meant to shut for the foreseeable or what? Or is it just there for when they need it and people should carry on going to work?

[Disco]

I think it's supposed to let firms keep people on that they would otherwise get rid of but I hope it encourages others to send people home as well.

[Pepe]

You gone and got a caucasian wife, Pepe?

That I did.


Wait, is she tick? You found the holy grail fam?

I wish mate, I wish. :(

[Don]

Least you wont die alone mate :cry:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0877mb2

Was planning to go kick a ball with a mate tomorrow (adhereing to the 6ft distancing rules at all times) but this cunt has gone and made me think again. Fuck off.

[Yevrah]

Italy keep saying this too, that once you’re bad enough to need a ventilator, you’re pretty fucked, and people just aren’t listening.

[Pepe]

Being on a ventilator sounds horrible. Constant feel of drowning.

[John Arne]

Vietnam to quarantine ALL arrivals from midnight last night. Makes sense considering everything was under control until returning Viets and pesky foreigners kept bringing it back into the country.

[Giggles]

The longer we're indoors the more noticeable the environmental impacts will be.

Apparently you can already now see fish in the canals in Venice. Logical extension is that animals etc. will start coming back into urban areas. Good luck with that one Florida.

People will be far less tolerant of humouring trivial little nonsense like climate change when we’re all trying to get back our feet.

[Giggles]

Not enough focus has been placed on the fact that this cunt of a virus appears to live on surfaces for hours, if not days. As a result, people who've been distancing while they're out think they're fine but are still catching and spreading it from touching shit.

As far as I understand it, I could stay inside for the next two years and still catch the fucker from opening my post.
You need to calm down just a little bit. For your own sake.

[Mike]

Work stank yesterday :( the mood of staff and the kids was so low despite everyone’s best efforts. Having to explain what was happening and why most where staying home to stay safe while also telling others they were still coming in wasn’t fun.

Out of just over 400 kids, we had 320 apply to be in and accepted 120. All staff are in Monday but they’re going to try rotate who is in so people get time off, we’re in over Easter too.

Got an ASDA shop set to arrive today, think half of it won’t come lol

[Bam]

I am running out of vape juice. There's a shop 3 miles away from me with a supermarket next to it so I may venture out at some point over the next week.


Just to give you a heads up: https://ukvapekings.com/ - I've used them a lot, next working day delivery, better juice and cheaper.

[Spikey M]

Lol at White Van Bam Vaping.

[niko_cee]

Some interesting stuff in here. (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654)

Now Italy's experience suggests a lot less people have to be dying of other things, or a lot more people who are dying of/with those things also have this virus to smooth that daily xD curve (I would assume with about the same population they'd be looking at the same number of daily deaths as the UK in normal times - about one every minute) - so there has to be some doubt this fits within natural wastage but there is 'some overlap'. Also interesting, although not sure it was from that article, was the factoid that a fair number of the UK deaths are from people who haven't received any intensive/critical care because it has simply been judged a waste of time (as is often the case when the old and infirm get more mundane respiratory conditions).

Also repping for the flu again as it seems it has to reach the (punitive) German death threshold to get on the board.

When was the last league table update?

[Kikó]

People will be far less tolerant of humouring trivial little nonsense like climate change when we’re all trying to get back our feet.

I think this is a good precursor of the way society will have to change for climate change. If you still think it's trivial then I'm not sure what to say.


Ah yes, the gym, where people don't sweat all over everything.

I've not been licking the equipment to be fair.


Anyway, my mates made the paper:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/mar/21/a-lasagne-the-size-of-wembley-whatsapp-joke-swallowed-whole?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_WhatsApp

[ScousePig]

Work stank yesterday :( the mood of staff and the kids was so low despite everyone’s best efforts. Having to explain what was happening and why most where staying home to stay safe while also telling others they were still coming in wasn’t fun.

Out of just over 400 kids, we had 320 apply to be in and accepted 120. All staff are in Monday but they’re going to try rotate who is in so people get time off, we’re in over Easter too.

Got an ASDA shop set to arrive today, think half of it won’t come lol

Being in Year 6, our atmosphere was bizarre. We only had 18 out of 30 in, and we're expecting a couple from my class in next week. So basically yesterday may have been their last day of primary school. We treated it like the last day with shirts being signed and we spent the day doing art and ict, and all the parents got the kids together and took photos just in case. I reiterated that I expect to see them again in a month or maybe three months, but in all honesty who knows? Our trip last week got cancelled, our residential in June looks highly unlikely, plus activity week, leavers mass and leavers play all thrown into huge doubt for them.

That's not to mention SATs. There's a mixture of (understandable) frustration and relief about the decision to cancel SATs; we'd prepared so hard for it and been under so much pressure, and suddenly they're not even happening.

[Shindig]

'York-shire! York-shire! York-shire!'

Most of the infections are Yorkshire downwards as well. Sheffield is fucked.

[Giggles]

I think this is a good precursor of the way society will have to change for climate change. If you still think it's trivial then I'm not sure what to say.

It’s just a hobby for the rich and bored to posture about on Instagram and Twitter. They’ll see massive push back when people have real worries on their hands.

[mugbull]

It’s just a hobby for the rich and bored to posture about on Instagram and Twitter. They’ll see massive push back when people have real worries on their hands.

It’s good to see that my early prediction about this virus wasn’t the most incorrect opinion in this thread

[Shindig]

If anything, the reduction in production probably gives companies pushing for 'carbon neutral' more room to fiddle.

[Kikó]

It’s just a hobby for the rich and bored to posture about on Instagram and Twitter. They’ll see massive push back when people have real worries on their hands.

Or you could just look at the science instead.

[Manc]

What are we all doing this weekend?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Not much.

In the park outside my window there are about 4 dads and all their kids having a semi-organised kickabout (organised enough that they brought cones). Are they in Team Moron? I reckon they are.

[Kikó]

Probably go for a run in a bit then read. It's a relatively nice day today so I'm sure the park is going to be rammed.

[Shindig]

The dads have probably already had it.

[Giggles]

Or you could just look at the science instead.

The science can be absolutely anything someone wants it to be.

[Spikey M]

Going for a walk in the woods for a bit. It's gonna be wild.

[Don]

It’s just a hobby for the rich and bored to posture about on Instagram and Twitter. They’ll see massive push back when people have real worries on their hands.

Lololololol.

Once I've tweaked my fantasy team, I'm gonna head out and try get some hayfever medicine as I've lost my sense of smell and taste for over 2 weeks now after a little bout of illness (fever but no cough). Definitely a repsiratory infection so I reckon it's a cointoss as to whether it was Covid or not.

https://www.fifthsense.org.uk/covid-19-corona-virus-and-smell-loss-guidance-from-fifth-sense-medical-director/

https://mobile.twitter.com/dr_tam_elliott/status/1241090846394667008

[Kikó]

The science can be absolutely anything someone wants it to be.

Well except it's not.

[Giggles]

Well except it's not.

It’s nothing more than tax generation. The new catch-all for revenue intake.

[Shindig]

I mean, it's not. You know why ice melts, mate.

[Spikey M]

I love you Giggs but you can be a right fanny at times

[Kikó]

I guess all these climate scientists are just in it for the juicy juicy tax breaks.

[Giggles]

I’m actually surprised how many of you are taken in by it.

[Bam]

Took the dog for a walk down by the river, the old folks seem to be ignoring this completely and congregating for a chin wag.

I'm thankful that my old folks are not doing the same, they have self isolated themselves.

[Kikó]

By compelling science?

[Giggles]

By compelling science?

You could be told anything, stick science on it, and bingo if it’s what you want to hear.

[Giggles]

The scary part for me is that a cause doesn’t need to be right if you have enough crackpots to follow it. Effects us all when so many bend over in the name of it.

[Manc]

Incredible. :D

[Kikó]

Giggles, you're actually the crackpot on this.

I'm not really sure I want to hear that I have to change the way I live completely to try and reduce the effect humans have on climate change. I like traveling ffs.

[Giggles]

Luckily our green party has been decimated after running and hiding through all this, so when it’s over we can go back to having a proper fire, driving to work, and not paying some dreamt up taxes like normal humans.

[Shindig]

To be honest, Aviation gets a lot of unfair stick for something that produces 2% emissions worldwide. Attack the biggest slice of the pie like the energy sector first.

[Giggles]

Giggles, you're actually the crackpot on this.

I'm not really sure I want to hear that I have to change the way I live completely to try and reduce the effect humans have on climate change. I like traveling ffs.

I can’t be when you’re completely wrong. Unbelievably gullible for a grown adult.

[Kikó]

Ok mate.

[Giggles]

Ok mate.

Oh, well that’s that then. I’m off to buy a Leaf.

[Don]

Let's focus on real concerns ffs. Where me Guiness and craic gonna come from? I've nivver been so worried before.

[Giggles]

Let's focus on real concerns ffs. Where me Guiness and craic gonna come from? I've nivver been so worried before.

I thought crack as craic was bad, and that was after spelling Guinness wrong, but what the fuck is “nivver”? Aren’t you middle aged by now?

[Bam]

Let's focus on real concerns ffs. Where me Guiness and craic gonna come from? I've nivver been so worried before.

:D

Who's alias is this, we haven't had a good one for years! Harold?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm director of cricket for a cricket club and obviously like all sports clubs we face our income going down to zero for a while. There are three people we 'employ' on a casual basis - groundsman, head coach, and bar/tea lady - who will obviously get hit by this. I put a message into the boomer committee email chain asking if anyone had any ideas what we could do for them to help them through a few weeks/months.

Response: fuck off mate they're on their own.

Love boomers.

[Kikó]

Oh, well that’s that then. I’m off to buy a Leaf.

I'm not going to do the reading for you. You don't agree with the scientific position. I can't do anything for that.

[Kikó]

:D

Who's alias is this, we haven't had a good one for years! Harold?

It's Taz.

[Bam]

It's Taz.

Ah.

[Giggles]

I'm not going to do the reading for you. You don't agree with the scientific position. I can't do anything for that.

If there was a real crisis then there would be more solutions around than token ones that won’t make any difference. But the token ones are a great cash grab.

[Giggles]

Why is the AFL still going in Australia? Just seen a clip of some mongs elbow tapping after a score, in a game where they’re all over each other and using one ball. Idiots.

[mugbull]

I love you Giggs but you can be a right fanny at times

That's all he ever is

[niko_cee]

Why is the AFL still going in Australia? Just seen a clip of some mongs elbow tapping after a score, in a game where they’re all over each other and using one ball. Idiots.

Maybe it's because the coronavirus is less deadly than virtually every other living organism in Australia?

[Yevrah]

You need to calm down just a little bit. For your own sake.

I’m fine.

I know that post reads as “it’s coming right for us”, but I was merely trying to explain to people that it’s catching as fuck and even if you’re distancing you can still catch it.

[Yevrah]

Just to give you a heads up: https://ukvapekings.com/ - I've used them a lot, next working day delivery, better juice and cheaper.

Cheers Bam. I’ll take a look.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I can just imagine Yev taking the bins out, stopping on the way back to pick up a ten pound note he sees lying on the floor, instantly feeling the virus rip through his throat lining and gasping out 'Clever Girl' with his last dying breath ten seconds later.

[Giggles]

I’m fine.

I know that post reads as “it’s coming right for us”, but I was merely trying to explain to people that it’s catching as fuck and even if you’re distancing you can still catch it.

But you’re not going to catch it by opening a two year old bank statement in 2022.

[niko_cee]

I can just imagine Yev taking the bins out, stopping on the way back to pick up a ten pound note he sees lying on the floor, instantly feeling the virus rip through his throat lining and gasping out 'Clever Girl' with his last dying breath ten seconds later.

:D

The imaginary travails of board members is amusing my mind as well. I've got Andy as best mates with the Chancellor and Yev, as the FD of Greggs, plotting society's downfall on the back of a sausage roll wrapper.

[John Arne]

It's the Death per 1m Population League Table as at 21/3.

A crazy day yesterday, with European nations starting to dominate the table - 5 countries moved up in the table, all of them Western European nations.

Meanwhile, we have our first new entry - welcome to the Death per 1m Population - Portugal, who joined the club after amassing 1,020 confirmed cases, and 7 deaths. Japan, who were 17th a few days ago drop down to The Championship after only 83 new cases in 2 days saw them leapfrogged by Canada, Australia and Malaysia.

Italy continue to lead by a long way, with almost 67 deaths per 1m population - Champions League qualification is almost certain, unless something were to happen that postpones the league...

https://gyazo.com/f2697c5758cd4c55096bca335be99b49.jpeg

[Giggles]

It's the Death per 1m Population League Table as at 21/3.

A crazy day yesterday, with European nations starting to dominate the table - 5 countries moved up in the table, all of them Western European nations.

Meanwhile, we have our first new entry - welcome to the Death per 1m Population - Portugal, who joined the club after amassing 1,020 confirmed cases, and 7 deaths. Japan, who were 17th a few days ago drop down the The Championship after only 83 new cases in 2 days saw them leapfrogged by Canada, Australia and Malaysia.

Italy continue to lead by a long way, with almost 50 deaths per 1m population - Champions League qualification is almost certain, unless something were to happen that postpones the league...

https://gyazo.com/f2697c5758cd4c55096bca335be99b49.jpeg


Am I reading the chart wrong or do you mean Italy with almost 70 deaths per 1m?

[Bernanke]

Spanish numbers:
-24926 infected (+4946)
-1326 dead (+324)
-2125 recovered (+540)

Moving at a breakneck speed to catch up to Italy.

Edit:

https://abload.de/img/screenshot2020-03-21ac4jmy.png

[Yevrah]

But you’re not going to catch it by opening a two year old bank statement in 2022.

Obviously I was assuming we haven’t got rid of it by that point, not that it was living on my post for two years.

We’re not getting rid of this anytime soon.

[John Arne]

Am I reading the chart wrong or do you mean Italy with almost 70 deaths per 1m?

Ninja edit.

[Shindig]

From what I gather, it's hours on fabric, days on plastics, 12 hours on metal. Although direct sunlight can murder it. Although data on surface breeding is spotty.

[Lee]

Read today that we've shut our pubs etc about a week earlier in the curve than Italy did. That's something, at least.

This article isn't happy reading, though. If correct then, as stated in the article, we'll be heading for the mother of all public enquiries after this:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/10-days-that-changed-britains-coronavirus-approach

Vallance and Cummings as 'close allies' was a bit of a surprise to me.

The chart above is where deaths are a useful measure. They're concrete. Crap for telling us where we are at this moment, good at showing where we might be heading. An optimistic interpretation of the shape of our curve is that we're not as fucked as Spain and appear to be moving further from their predicament, and that it won't be too long before we cross that 33% increase line and follow a shape more like China's, although probably with a higher line. One bad data point later on fucks that theory though.

I'd quite like to see a bit more stratification of recorded deaths. So far we know they've all been people with underlying conditions here. What we don't know is how far progressed those conditions were. Basically, were they already for it quite soon? And was Covid-19 even the cause?

[Lee]

From what I gather, it's hours on fabric, days on plastics, 12 hours on metal. Although direct sunlight can murder it. Although data on surface breeding is spotty.

What we do know is that soap kills it. You don't even necessarily need the water to be hot.

[John Arne]

I'm not a big fan of using number of cases as a main primer, as it's so dependent on the number of tests completed. That said, here is the number of cases per population.

https://gyazo.com/fea1f91cb519ca8e9f3e6b0772161df5.jpeg

[Yevrah]

Yeah, I read up to 24 hours on cardboard. Hence using picking up my post as an example.

The number of deaths in Spain are also shitting all over the societal factors in Italy being unique and therefore the cause for it being so bad. They just had it sooner.

[Giggles]

From what I gather, it's hours on fabric, days on plastics, 12 hours on metal. Although direct sunlight can murder it. Although data on surface breeding is spotty.

Nobody really knows though. You’ll find numerous times for numerous objects online.

All you can be sure of is that anyone telling you that they know the answer is lying.

[Spikey M]

That's all he ever is

Glass houses lad.

[Giggles]

Yeah, I read up to 24 hours on cardboard. Hence using picking up my post as an example.

The number of deaths in Spain are also shitting all over the societal factors in Italy being unique and therefore the cause for it being so bad. They just had it sooner.

Spain isn’t all that different to Italy.

[Shindig]

What I get from that graph is how fucking quick Japan and South Korea jumped on this. It's a model for us all to follow. Assuming you can produce enough swabs for the mountain of testing.

[Disco]

Portugal down tools at the drop of a hat so I'm expecting all the stock we get from there to dry up now that they're getting hit harder.

[Boydy]

From what I gather, it's hours on fabric, days on plastics, 12 hours on metal. Although direct sunlight can murder it. Although data on surface breeding is spotty.

It can't breed on surfaces. Viruses don't work like that.

[Yevrah]

Spain isn’t all that different to Italy.

I agree. It has people in it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

That graph really could be a graph of the extent to which the peoples of different nations do as they're fucking told.

[Pepe]

I think this is a good precursor of the way society will have to change for climate change.

Which is probably the best case for "mitigation" as opposed to "prevention".

[randomlegend]

Not believing in climate change is akin to being a flat earther at this point. Absolutely retarded.

[Giggles]

Like I said, if it was a real issue then all the solutions wouldn’t be token cash grabs.

Look at the lengths we will go to for a real issue.

[Yevrah]

That graph really could be a graph of the extent to which the peoples of different nations do as they're fucking told.

It is indeed. Western society can't cope with this anything like as well as Asia can.

[Pepe]

To be fair to Giggles, I would like to see any of you explain "the science".

[Yevrah]

Like I said, if it was a real issue then all the solutions wouldn’t be token cash grabs.

Look at the lengths we will go to for a real issue.

It's because it's not an immediate threat. People don't take proper action as a result and they never will until it is.

That's as clear as day now from what we're seeing here.

[John Arne]

Time for some good news.

Countries with the least number of reported cases. Countries over 50,000,000 population ONLY.

https://gyazo.com/4be005fb111a9d4a71edc10023118825.jpeg

[Yevrah]

Not sure that's good news, there are some obviously massively under inflated numbers there. Brits alone will have caused more than 411 cases in Thailand.

[Don]

India and their notoriously high hygiene standards.

[7om]

I'm on board with the good news brigade but those third world numbers are clearly bollocks.

[Pepe]

My guess is that we are all so infected with all kinds of viruses that they just outmuscle the coronavirus.

[Magic]

Imagine being on one of those Indian trains.

[Disco]

Time for some good news.

Countries with the least number of reported cases. Countries over 50,000,000 population ONLY.

https://gyazo.com/4be005fb111a9d4a71edc10023118825.jpeg

Not to disparage the browner bits of the world but those look like some seriously soft numbers, you'd think it's going to tear through some of the densely populated shithouse countries.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It probably hasn't got to most of them in a big way yet as there isn't as much travelling in and out, but when Kinshasa and Dhaka get it, fucking hell.

[John Arne]

Not to disparage the browner bits of the world but those look like some seriously soft numbers, you'd think it's going to tear through some of the densely populated shithouse countries.

Presumably Africa is helped by lack of country-to-country, city-to-city and shanty town-to-shanty town travel.

[Yaysus]

https://twitter.com/kommandostore/status/1241105735204945923

[Lee]

Hong Kong has had to reimpose restrictions because cases started growing again. This is going to be life for ages now. A few weeks of semi-normality, shut down. On repeat. For fucking ages.

[Baz]

What we do know is that soap kills it. You don't even necessarily need the water to be hot.

Sums up the entire planet as fucking scumbag grubby cunts, that.

[Magic]

https://twitter.com/kommandostore/status/1241105735204945923

:D

[Giggles]

https://twitter.com/kommandostore/status/1241105735204945923

#pray4yev

[Magic]

Can we get some graphs on the builders merchant purchasing and calculate the true UK death figure?

[Disco]

Complete bullshit though.

[Pepe]

It probably hasn't got to most of them in a big way yet as there isn't as much travelling in and out, but when Kinshasa and Dhaka get it, fucking hell.

What about Mexico though? We get tons of tourism.

[Baz]

How would that compare to seasonal flu?

https://www.noisetosignal.org/images/posts/davegormancollection-01a.jpg

[Pepe]

Hong Kong has had to reimpose restrictions because cases started growing again. This is going to be life for ages now. A few weeks of semi-normality, shut down. On repeat. For fucking ages.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/615370/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing-18-months/

[Yevrah]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/10-days-that-changed-britains-coronavirus-approach

All of us that doubted the experts were right, they weren't listening to each other. The twats.

[John Arne]

If China is anything like Vietnam, 99% of people use Prepay, not contract. Also, why would these telecom companies cancel 7m contracts after just 2 months of the bill not being paid (also assumes those 7m people don't have DD set up for the fee, which is easy with Alipay). Not buying it.

[Disco]

If China is anything like Vietnam, 99% of people use Prepay, not contract. Also, why would these telecom companies cancel 7m contracts after just 2 months of the bill not being paid (also assumes those 7m people don't have DD set up for the fee, which is easy with Alipay). Not buying it.

1241318344114012162

[John Arne]

Me & HoaxEye :beer:

[Yevrah]

Yeah, that telecomms thing is a really bad use of numbers.

I'm not a telecommunications expert, I'm Yevrah, but there must be a myriad of reasons why those numbers would fluctuate by what's a very small number in a population of over a billion.

It's also presented horribly, so it can do one.

[John Arne]

It is always worth remembering that China's population is FUCKING MASSIVE.

UK - 0,066,400,000
China - 1,386,000,000

[Kikó]

To be fair to Giggles, I would like to see any of you explain "the science".

I mean we don't really need to, we're not the climate scientists, we're yevrah.

[Yevrah]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2FkuQZTYO4

Stumbled across this guy the other day. No idea of his actual medical qualifications, but he speaks sense and has a soothing tone with it. Which may come to be needed as we go through.

[Yevrah]

Can we get some graphs on the builders merchant purchasing and calculate the true UK death figure?

You lol, but it's partly how I know good social distancing isn't happening.

[Disco]

Plenty of contractors are ploughing on, they'll be in and out of people's homes and visiting multiple suppliers every day. Some of ours are rubbing their hands at the prospect of school closures because they think they're going to get a load of maintenance work out if it (which would normally be happening at half term or summer hols).

[mugbull]

Glass houses lad.

My house has brick walls here

[niko_cee]

Yeah, I read up to 24 hours on cardboard. Hence using picking up my post as an example.

The number of deaths in Spain are also shitting all over the societal factors in Italy being unique and therefore the cause for it being so bad. They just had it sooner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_in_Europe


Spain isn’t all that different to Italy.

:checkit:

[Yevrah]

It's rife in Madrid, with over 60% of the deaths from there. Is that the same as Northern Italy?

Ultimately, it's coming for people everywhere.

[Yevrah]

And on the Madrid thing, how have people in Liverpool been taking to social distancing?

[Kikó]

Should we do a live QT Corona special tonight? Yev can you be on the show please.

[Magic]

Will I get some figures from our core network to see the usage drop in businesses? I can then calculate the DDoS attack rate on those public IPs and project potential infected cases across multiple verticals.

[mugbull]

To be fair to Giggles, I would like to see any of you explain "the science".

“To be fair to flat earthers, I’d like to see any of you explain the laws of planetary motion”

[Lee]

I see Boris has sacked off today’s press conference and is having the Environment Secretary stand in. We’ve still got Whitty and Vallance.

[Yevrah]

I see Boris has sacked off today’s press conference and is having the Environment Secretary stand in. We’ve still got Whitty and Vallance.

Everywhere I look we're just handling this appallingly. I may need to stop. I mean, we all know I won't, but I probably really should.

[Giggles]

It's rife in Madrid, with over 60% of the deaths from there. Is that the same as Northern Italy?

Ultimately, it's coming for people everywhere.

We’re all as good as dead. Let’s go on one last session before topping ourselves.

[Lee]

Everywhere I look we're just handling this appallingly. I may need to stop. I mean, we all know I won't, but I probably really should.

It’s hard to look away. I like to know what’s going on but I know I’ll hate the answer anyway.

I’m going to have to make an effort to read more, or get into FM. Anything as a bit of a distraction.

Everything is through the prism of will I get through it (likely), will my parents get through it (also likely but a little bit less so). The vast majority of people, even older and iller people, aren’t going to get this badly. But then you glue yourself to the news and hear the latest numbers and can’t help but switch into ‘WE’RE ALL GOING TO DIE’ mode.

[John Arne]

How long before the rioting starts?

[Yevrah]

We’re all as good as dead. Let’s go on one last session before topping ourselves.

I mean we're obviously not, but I can't see how this won't be worse than Spanish Flu, which killed, what, up to 50 million people. Maybe as a % of the global population it'll be less, but as soon as it takes hold in Africa and India it's going to decimate areas to the point where they won't be able to keep up with the number of deaths, let alone who has it.

[Yevrah]

How long before the rioting starts?

I've thought about that and my current view, at least in richer countries is that it won't, but nothing is off the table now.

[Lewis]

The Chinese are definitely lying about their numbers though aren't they.

[Bernanke]

In addition to being a great example of how we're never gonna be able to adjust our ways in time for climate change, this is also a great case study for the common fictional trope of "if humanity only had an outside threat to focus on we would all band together", a la Watchmen or any alien invasion film.

It's very clear we wouldn't, we'd just end up calling them the "Australiens" because they first touched down in Canberra, and say "well they're only grabbing red-headed women with glasses for their probes, so might as well have a pint with the mates".

[Magic]

Isn't panic buying a form of rioting?

[Yevrah]

The Chinese are definitely lying about their numbers though aren't they.

My gut would be that they are, but there's nothing tangible to base that on. And as you were saying yesterday, there'll clearly see this as an opportunity now and posting actual case and death numbers doesn't do much for said opportunity.

[Pepe]

“To be fair to flat earthers, I’d like to see any of you explain the laws of planetary motion”

Which you could, cause there are laws that govern their motion, although I am not sure what the orbit of Mars has to to with flat earthers.

[Lewis]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/10-days-that-changed-britains-coronavirus-approach

All of us that doubted the experts were right, they weren't listening to each other. The twats.


While the crisis that Johnson faces is undoubtedly unprecedented, there is significant criticism of Number 10’s handling of the situation across the government and the Conservative Party. Chief among them is the view — expressed by several ministers and Tory MPs to BuzzFeed News over the last few days — that Johnson and his chief aide Dominic Cummings have effectively “outsourced” the government’s decision-making process to Vallance, the chief medical officer Chris Whitty, and a small team of scientific advisers.

While Downing Street’s deference to the experts won plaudits early on, this approach has turned out to be lacking, the ministers and MPs said, because the scientists themselves disagreed on what to do. One minister said that it was then the political responsibility of Johnson and Number 10 to decide which scientists to back, but described a “vacuum of leadership” among aides.

:cab:

Now let's imagine the reverse of that. This is what I meant about these dickheads only being able to comprehend this through their usual bullshit frameworks of Kremlinology and snarky cuntery. If we're enacting 'wartime powers' then they all want rounding up and preferably shooting.

[Pepe]

I thought that scientists were a uniform body that always agrees on everything.

[Lewis]

I thought that scientists were a uniform body that always agrees on everything.

I think four years of selectively citing 'experts' to criticise Brexit has genuinely led them all to think there is a consensus approach to everything.

[Baz]

What are people finding so bad about staying indoors? Infact, it’s not even staying indoors, it’s just avoiding people you don’t live with.

I’ve done two days working from home, and kept my daughter out of nursery so she’s been there, but it’s been great. And I imagine it would be even better if I was on my own. Sat in the garden for a bit, played World Of Warcraft, watched anything on TV that wasn’t Coronavirus-related (including the Minions film on both days), while mulling over spreadsheets, responding to emails, and drinking copious amounts of tea. It’s great.

Might be early days now, and I might miss the office bantz in the long run, but realistically I just tolerate most people and am happy as larry not seeing anyone. It’s brilliant.

I still think it’s being blown out of proportion how bad this thing is, but I guess you can’t argue with the numbers. I’m glad my job is so flexible and I’m able to work from home. From monday I don’t even need to clock in and out so not even got that to worry about. I can start work at 10, have 2 hours break for my dinner and finish at 4, and that’s fine. What’s not to like, on that front?

So long as I don’t get too relaxed, and actually stay on top of my work, this could be a very comfortable life and I hope to introduce working from home more regularly once this has all blown over. And I’ll have no toddler there to keep interrupting me to take her for a poo.

So long as nobody I know dies (my mums pretty vulnerable and my nan is dead old) it could be pretty good for me, from a selfish point of view. :baz:

[Yevrah]

I thought that scientists were a uniform body that always agrees on everything.

Which is why it was so important for their reasons as to why they were doing things to be properly challenged and explained. They weren't.

Hell, even when there is a broad consensus it can still be bullshit. I was fighting against the instinctively moronic logic of not shutting down flights on page 1 of this thread. Which almost everyone has now done.

[Shindig]

You've got work to get on with. If I was working from home, I'd be in a much better spot. Instead it's just time and not enough ways to fill it. You forget how to waste time as an adult, I feel.

[Giggles]

What are people finding so bad about staying indoors? Infact, it’s not even staying indoors, it’s just avoiding people you don’t live with.

I’ve done two days working from home, and kept my daughter out of nursery so she’s been there, but it’s been great. And I imagine it would be even better if I was on my own. Sat in the garden for a bit, played World Of Warcraft, watched anything on TV that wasn’t Coronavirus-related (including the Minions film on both days), while mulling over spreadsheets, responding to emails, and drinking copious amounts of tea. It’s great.

Might be early days now, and I might miss the office bantz in the long run, but realistically I just tolerate most people and am happy as larry not seeing anyone. It’s brilliant.

I still think it’s being blown out of proportion how bad this thing is, but I guess you can’t argue with the numbers. I’m glad my job is so flexible and I’m able to work from home. From monday I don’t even need to clock in and out so not even got that to worry about. I can start work at 10, have 2 hours break for my dinner and finish at 4, and that’s fine. What’s not to like, on that front?

So long as I don’t get too relaxed, and actually stay on top of my work, this could be a very comfortable life and I hope to introduce working from home more regularly once this has all blown over. And I’ll have no toddler there to keep interrupting me to take her for a poo.

So long as nobody I know dies (my mums pretty vulnerable and my nan is dead old) it could be pretty good for me, from a selfish point of view. :baz:

The celebrities moaning about it is the fucking worst part. Twats.

[Shindig]

Plus it feels too much like unemployment. I need the routine.

[Yevrah]

I know some of this stuff is said in jest, but I have little sympathy for people who are still healthy and being paid moaning about having to look after their kids for an extended period of time. Why did you have them in the first place?

[-james-]

https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/football/market/1.170213482

Half 2 on a Saturday and there's near half a million quid traded on an Russian city pub league game game. What a time to be alive.

[Manc]

If coronavirus has robbed Taz of his smell then this will kill millions.

[Yevrah]

https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/football/market/1.170213482

Half 2 on a Saturday and there's near half a million quid traded on an Russian city pub league game game. What a time to be alive.

That brought about the biggest lol I've had all week.

[Yevrah]

These questions are so shit.

[Lee]

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1241354995808849923?s=21

I’d like some of these, please.

Would change things hugely in that we’d know who has it and be able to move more quickly to opening some sectors up.

[Yevrah]

Hadn't even thought about that. There'll be a fuck load of people taking the kids away in two weeks time. Splendid.

[Lee]

Taking them where? Most flights are grounded and package stuff cancelled. People from cities rushing out to the coasts is a risk, but there’s nowhere for the to go but supermarkets anyway.

[Giggles]

Hadn't even thought about that. There'll be a fuck load of people taking the kids away in two weeks time. Splendid.

Away where and to do what?

Anyway, if there’s any leadership left then none of them will be going anywhere.

[Baz]

I know some of this stuff is said in jest, but I have little sympathy for people who are still healthy and being paid moaning about having to look after their kids for an extended period of time. Why did you have them in the first place?The wife wanted one.

Oh and fwiw my wife is a teacher and I work in public health so are both considered “key workers” but I chose not to send my daughter to nursery.

[Giggles]

The wife wanted one.

There must have been money in it somewhere for you.

[Baz]

Quite the opposite. :thbdn:

[Yevrah]

Taking them where? Most flights are grounded and package stuff cancelled. People from cities rushing out to the coasts is a risk, but there’s nowhere for the to go but supermarkets anyway.

Around the UK.

Guess it doesn't really matter, we've spread it like wildfire anyway.

[ScousePig]

Some of those kids will still be in school now during the holidays.

[Manc]

The supermarkets need to get a grip.

[Giggles]

Around the UK.

Guess it doesn't really matter, we've spread it like wildfire anyway.

Hopefully everyone isn’t as defeatist and stick to the measures to help stop the spread.

It’s some shift in a few days from the Empire back sailing the high seas and ruling the world to everything being fucked. I’m glad we could share the rollercoaster.

[Giggles]

Some of those kids will still be in school now during the holidays.

Schools won’t reopen until next year (September this year).

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

We had a trip to Highlands at Easter planned but the host cancelled the AirBnB at the start of the week. Right call though. Potentially introducing the virus to such a large area with an elderly population, hours away from the nearest hospital that could cope, would be a disaster.

[Baz]

Schools won’t reopen until next year (September this year).

Schools aren’t closed though. They’re just not teaching [the national curriculum]. There’s still loads of kids going in, and staff to care for them.

[Giggles]

Schools aren’t closed though. They’re just not teaching [the national curriculum]. There’s still loads of kids going in, and staff to care for them.

I’d missed that bit. Jesus Christ, you are fucked. And we’re fucked for living next door to a fucking idiot.

[Yevrah]

Until last night Giggles, we hadn't shut anything down.

[niko_cee]

Some absolutely belting material in here (https://uk.yahoo.com/news/why-many-coronavirus-patients-died-180737836.html)


But Prof Ricciardi added that Italy’s death rate may also appear high because of how doctors record fatalities.

“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus.

“On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity - many had two or three,” he says.

:cab:

[Kikó]

One for the capacity crew from another forum I visit:

I'm a nurse in an ED in Yorkshire (I'm a middle aged bloke who loves his job... Not the superhero that some would like to describe us as)....Its now starting to ramp up..... We've been told this morning not to admit pts unless they have a need for oxygen as now the hospital is struggling to cope even now..... Its not yet started properly .... We're gunna be fucked when it does..please listen
to and take notice of the advice given..... Its gonna get real bad before its done.....

[John Arne]

Yeah, I read something earlier that the number of daily deaths at the moment is in line with last year..... I can't bloody find it now.

[niko_cee]

Maybe Taz was onto something . . . (https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-experts-say-new-symptoms-could-be-loss-taste-or-smell-11961439)

[Kikó]

Also an ER doc calling into LBC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQD4B_hmdvo

[Yevrah]

Some absolutely belting material in here (https://uk.yahoo.com/news/why-many-coronavirus-patients-died-180737836.html)



:cab:

That seems a perfectly fair definition to me. And I say that while appreciating that some of these people would have died anyway. Just not as quickly and nowhere near enough of them to warrant a shuttle service being put on to take bodies from the hospital to makeshift burial ground.

[randomlegend]

Also an ER doc calling into LBC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQD4B_hmdvo

Can you not post stuff like this, it's unfair on people like Waffelz who just need a break.

[niko_cee]

Only if it means people who actually have coronavirus, and it (the virus) gets the +1 rather than whatever other underlying factors there might be. If people are having heart attacks and dying in hospital does coronavirus get the credit for overwhelming the health system even if the person who died didn't actually have it? If every hospital death in Italy is essentially being credited to the coronavirus account, don't we then need to know how many people normally die in Italian hospitals on a daily basis? I'm sure there's a bit of something lost in translation here.

[ScousePig]

Schools won’t reopen until next year (September this year).

They're not even closed. But if you're meaning fully open, you could be right.

[Boydy]

Only if it means people who actually have coronavirus, and it (the virus) gets the +1 rather than whatever other underlying factors there might be. If people are having heart attacks and dying in hospital does coronavirus get the credit for overwhelming the health system even if the person who died didn't actually have it? If every hospital death in Italy is essentially being credited to the coronavirus account, don't we then need to know how many people normally die in Italian hospitals on a daily basis? I'm sure there's a bit of something lost in translation here.
The 'with coronavirus' means people with it. Not the entire hospital with it.

[Kikó]

Can you not post stuff like this, it's unfair on people like Waffelz who just need a break.

#bekind

[Spoonsky]

I'm home in Salt Lake City now, and morbidly excited to read the last 40 pages of this thread.

[Foe]

Played golf on two separate 9 hole courses in the countryside. Both of which absolutely dead. Saw a total of 3 other golfers across 18 holes.

On the way back I did shop in a countryside town coop to grab supplies for a friends who’s isolating with his heavily pregnant wife. The fucking number of old folks kicking about the shop was terrifying and they have absolutely no fucks about social distancing. I was shuffling around the shop trying to avoid people but the cunts just roam past me and queues on top of others.

They did have milk though and I got some rolls. So guess that’s good to know if I really struggle in the city..

[Yevrah]

Only if it means people who actually have coronavirus, and it (the virus) gets the +1 rather than whatever other underlying factors there might be. If people are having heart attacks and dying in hospital does coronavirus get the credit for overwhelming the health system even if the person who died didn't actually have it? If every hospital death in Italy is essentially being credited to the coronavirus account, don't we then need to know how many people normally die in Italian hospitals on a daily basis? I'm sure there's a bit of something lost in translation here.

It's people that have died who had it. You need to stop this crusade.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm trying to work out how professional sport can ever restart. How can you have teams going cross-continent?

Reckon it'll contract like fuck and go back to a sort of 1950s setup with national/local leagues only and international play being rare and beautiful. Will still be popular as anything.

Big winners will be lower league football, rugby league, county cricket, things like that. Big losers: the entire corporate setup we know and love.

[niko_cee]

Even if that is the case, which I accept, I misread it, doesn't "On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus," carry any weight?

This is obviously not a normal situation, and more people than normal seem to be dying (see that obituary thing) BUT there does need to be some sort of perspective, otherwise it just feels like there's a morbid hysteria to simply see a bigger and bigger number regardless of context.

[Yevrah]

I'm trying to work out how professional sport can ever restart. How can you have teams going cross-continent?

Reckon it'll contract like fuck and go back to a sort of 1950s setup with national/local leagues only and international play being rare and beautiful. Will still be popular as anything.

That the Olympics is still 'on' is absolutely laughable.

[Giggles]

It won’t be.

[Yevrah]

Even if that is the case, which I accept, I misread it, doesn't "On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus," carry any weight?

This is obviously not a normal situation, and more people than normal seem to be dying (see that obituary thing) BUT there does need to be some sort of perspective, otherwise it just feels like there's a morbid hysteria to simply see a bigger and bigger number regardless of context.

Surely that just means 12% of deaths were in people who had no underlying health conditions and were otherwise fine (maybe even not that old). Which is consistent with what we know, no?

[niko_cee]

I don't know, but, from my limited understanding only those 12% would be counted on the German model, and all of a sudden things look very different.

[niko_cee]

I guess the issue is, and I have no real knowledge in the field, that causes of death are probably fairly generic, respiratory failure, heart failure etc. In the end, I guess, there are a fairly limited number of ways to go.

[niko_cee]

In other fall of society news the supermarket here (Waitrose, natch) seems to have random security guards patrolling it now (presumably they need the hours after 'bouncing' went out the window with pubs and clubs being closed). I'm not really sure what they are meant to be doing and I'm not sure they are either.

[Spoonsky]

What about Mexico though? We get tons of tourism.

I think the number of cases there has been artificially low because they haven't tested very much, within a week or two it will start to blow up. I left Mexico two days ago, at that point universities had closed and people were just starting to put on facemasks. The media was also spending most of the time talking about coronavirus, interviewing pop stars who had it etc, which hadn't been the case even a couple of days earlier.

Not sure what you make of it, but I think it could really dark in Mexico for a number of reasons. 1) As of a week ago the average pleb either didn't seem to think it was real or a very big deal, or they thought it was just something restricted to China Italy and the US. I'm not sure how long it will take for people to realize it's actually serious. 2) A lot of people just can't afford not to get paid for a month, and so much of the industry is based on tourism that even if people don't have the viruses themselves, their livelihoods will dry up. Leading to more crime etc. 3) The government doesn't really have the power to force people to stay inside, as in European or Asian countries. And besides, the president's main strategy is to defeat the virus with magic amulets (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nuP6RIQfiU&feature=share). 4) The level of sanitation is just lower. The other day was looking at a street vendor making tacos al pastor with his ungloved hands thinking, if that guy gets coronavirus, we're all going to.

I assume you're staying in St Louis?

[Don]

I bought some hay fever spray (Beconase?) today which is what my GP instructed as he laughed me off the phone a week ago. One dosage in and it's made fuck all impact. How long is this shit going to go on for? I contracted it over 3 weeks ago ffs.

"Professor Nirmal Kumarm consultant otolaryngologist and head and neck surgeon, said the nose was main entry point for the virus when we breathe in droplets infected with coronavirus."

Fuck all the oldies, it's the Iranians that are most at risk.

1000 piece jigsaw has also been purchased and I highly recommend it. Although I don't have a table for it so my knees are going to look like Lisa Ann's.

[Yevrah]

Have you actually got it Taz?

[niko_cee]

I had rather assumed breathing through the nose would be preferable (seeing as it is generally, for filtering shit out) but maybe I'll have to go back to mouth breathing now (and the attendant coughing fits that can bring on). Hmmmm.

[Don]

The odds look significant. Mild bout of fever at onset (so mild I carried on going into work and saying to people I had it for some lols back when no one took the threat too seriously in London) 3 weeks ago. All symptoms cleared within days but lost both senses and lung capacity has remained hindered so it's a respiratory infection for sure. Would be nice for it to start pissin off though as the loss of smell/taste alone fucks with your mental state let alone quarantining a borderline ADHD adult.

[Yevrah]

Fuck I've missed you. :D

[Giggles]

I bought some hay fever spray (Beconase?) today which is what my GP instructed as he laughed me off the phone a week ago. One dosage in and it's made fuck all impact. How long is this shit going to go on for? I contracted it over 3 weeks ago ffs.

"Professor Nirmal Kumarm consultant otolaryngologist and head and neck surgeon, said the nose was main entry point for the virus when we breathe in droplets infected with coronavirus."

Fuck all the oldies, it's the Iranians that are most at risk.

1000 piece jigsaw has also been purchased and I highly recommend it. Although I don't have a table for it so my knees are going to look like Lisa Ann's.

If that was the case we could just get in with our lives.

[Don]

What's the need for that, mate? Come on, explain yourself.

[Giggles]

Well. This is new.

[niko_cee]

Also, I was sent out in search of a kettlebell today (wtf?) and the local sports emporium looked like it had been looted - to the extent that someone was backing up a van to the doors as I arrived to transfer some massive bit of kit into. They reckoned they'd sold 40 of these kettlebells this week and I was very much late to the party. Everyone has gone mad.

[Giggles]

Same here. I see the wife’s gym lent out all it’s equipment to members too. That’ll be fun to get back, half it is probably sold by now.

[Lee]

Surely that just means 12% of deaths were in people who had no underlying health conditions and were otherwise fine (maybe even not that old). Which is consistent with what we know, no?

It won’t be that. As of two or three days ago only 24 out of the 3,000-odd dead had no underlying condition.

[Shindig]

I bet some of that 24 were health professionals, too.

[mugbull]

It won’t be that. As of two or three days ago only 24 out of the 3,000-odd dead had no underlying condition.

I've always been confused about what that meant. Is it literally any chronic issue? Is seasonal allergies an underlying condition? I'm guessing asthma is

[Pepe]

I think the number of cases there has been artificially low because they haven't tested very much, within a week or two it will start to blow up. I left Mexico two days ago, at that point universities had closed and people were just starting to put on facemasks. The media was also spending most of the time talking about coronavirus, interviewing pop stars who had it etc, which hadn't been the case even a couple of days earlier.

Not sure what you make of it, but I think it could really dark in Mexico for a number of reasons. 1) As of a week ago the average pleb either didn't seem to think it was real or a very big deal, or they thought it was just something restricted to China Italy and the US. I'm not sure how long it will take for people to realize it's actually serious. 2) A lot of people just can't afford not to get paid for a month, and so much of the industry is based on tourism that even if people don't have the viruses themselves, their livelihoods will dry up. Leading to more crime etc. 3) The government doesn't really have the power to force people to stay inside, as in European or Asian countries. And besides, the president's main strategy is to defeat the virus with magic amulets (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nuP6RIQfiU&feature=share). 4) The level of sanitation is just lower. The other day was looking at a street vendor making tacos al pastor with his ungloved hands thinking, if that guy gets coronavirus, we're all going to.

I assume you're staying in St Louis?

Only some parts of the country depend on tourism, but yes, it is bound to be a shitshow over there, just like everything else is.

I moved out of St. Louis like two years ago.

[Giggles]

Should people shave beards off for this?

[Lee]

793 new deaths in Italy. More than 500 in Lombardy alone. The chief health bloke in Lombardy has said they expect either today or tomorrow to be their worst days. Presumably they can tell from the pattern of diagnoses/hospitalisation. Italy overall is still a couple of weeks away from the peak, he said.

[Shindig]

Italy's daily deaths never fail to get a reaction out of me. :|

[Lee]

It’s the one that hits home most, definitely.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm telling you, the behavioural scientists were right, not a chance in hell they are going to hold repeated lockdowns. Not a chance in hell.

[Manc]

Just the three deaths today?

[Lee]

Don’ think we have English figures yet.

[Magic]

A loss of smell and taste, new symptoms.

[Shindig]

56 for the UK and Northern Ireland today.

[Giggles]

https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2020/0321/1124569-covid-19-testing-centre-offaly/

This does not inspire confidence.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It fucking does. Just look at all those exacavators waiting to break down.

[Giggles]

Nothing gets built here in a short time. If we’re still testing when that opens in 2023 then we’re really fucked.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Longer the better as long as my mates Padraic and Micheal (why do they spell it differently?) keep ringing me up for parts.

[Giggles]

Longer the better as long as my mates Padraic and Micheal (why do they spell it differently?) keep ringing me up for parts.

They’re not spelled differently, they’re just the Irish versions of Patrick and Michael. Just like Spanish and German people aren’t all going around called Steven and William.

[Boydy]

Longer the better as long as my mates Padraic and Micheal (why do they spell it differently?) keep ringing me up for parts.

https://www.pronouncenames.com/pronounce/micheal

[Giggles]

Padraic is Paw-rick too.

Though it’s like trying to tell you there’s no CK in the middle of Doherty.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He says it as I would say Michael, but maybe that's just for the benefit of my imperialist English ears. He's also from Cork which probably doesn't help.

Padraic = Porrick (ish) I am comfortable with.

[Magic]

We need much more detail on those Italian deaths. Like literally everything except names.

[Giggles]

He says it as I would say Michael, but maybe that's just for the benefit of my imperialist English ears. He's also from Cork which probably doesn't help.

Padraic = Porrick (ish) I am comfortable with.

The start is elongated as there’s a fada on the a. Pádraic.

There’s one on the a in Micheál too.

[Giggles]

We need much more detail on those Italian deaths. Like literally everything except names.

72% of them were under 50 apparently. They can’t have all been underlying issues.

[Yevrah]

72% of them were under 50 apparently. They can’t have all been underlying issues.

Where did you see that?

[Giggles]

Where did you see that?

I didn’t. Just adding my own bit of misinformation to all the rest to freak Magic out :)

I’m just glad you replied before scooping the neighbours brains out.

[Bernanke]

72% of them were under 50 apparently. They can’t have all been underlying issues.

That sounds mental.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

What a cunt. :D

[Yevrah]

Always challenge everything that sounds like bullshit.

[Boydy]

I’m just glad you replied before scooping the neighbours brains out.

:lol:

[Giggles]

Always challenge everything that sounds like bullshit.

There’s enough of it floating about around this that it would be a full time job.

[niko_cee]

:D

Can't believe that reaction.

You need to get out Yev, however that would look now.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Just ordered a Lebanese. Can't believe I have arrived at the day when I can claim this to be the socially responsible thing to do.

[Yevrah]

:D

Can't believe that reaction.

You need to get out Yev, however that would look now.

Can't believe what reaction?

[niko_cee]

That you didn't immediately realise he was taking the piss.

[Yevrah]

That you didn't immediately realise he was taking the piss.

I've no idea what's going on in Lombardy, but if they're working down a list from old to young you could easily get a day where a load of young uns croak it at once.

[Yevrah]

And also, take the piss when it's funny (and his retort was quite good), but as for the original post. What's the point?