Coronavirus Death Thread

[Jimmy Floyd]

Then don't go indoors and gather again. Criticising the government for allowing shops to open, in the current circumstances, is deranged.

[Spikey M]

Thing is, as much as a 20-something-year-old is unlikely to really suffer from COVID, they could. Some people get really ill. They’re extremely unlikely to die, but that doesn’t mean it can’t suck.

And then there’s, you know, being considerate and stuff. Is that woman who lives with her parents really that wrong to worry?

Wearing a mask while cycling outdoors as Lewis mentioned is a bit mental, I agree, and I feel sorry for folks like that because it can’t be enjoyable being that stressed/paranoid about it.

But I think it’s understandable to worry about going indoors and gathering again. I wouldn’t worry about catching it myself, if I didn’t have other people to consider and I could just go and live on my own and isolate whenever needed, but you’re certainly not a “drip” if you’re worried.

My point, is that the BBC seem to deliberately seek these people out, when they are a pathetic, drippy, minority. I don't care that they exist, I would just quite like for them not to be held up as the norm by the state broadcaster.

I also can't see how being scared to try a t-shirt on is any less ridiculous than wearing a mask on a bike.

Lots of things can make you ill. Is he avoiding the Avocado Sandaes from his local Vegan pop-up for fear of e.coli? I doubt it. Covid just isn't dangerous to someone in their 20's and worrying about it at this point is drippy as fuck. He's taking a bigger risk every time he rides his PennyFarthing through Peckham, the cunt.

[Reg]

Yeah, well fair enough, that’s what that person was saying, wasn’t it?

[Spikey M]

Yeah, well fair enough, that’s what that person was saying, wasn’t it?

No. She said opening shops was silly.

[Reg]

Yeah fair enough.

Your t-shirt point - I think the risk would come way more from being indoors with potential spreaders than it would from the surface transmission from clothes.

[Magic]

:D

Can't believe people still think like that.

[niko_cee]

Wearing a mask on a bike is 4d chess as it stops all the flying bastards going in your mouth if you ever mistakenly open it whilst riding.

[Yevrah]

Yeah fair enough.

Your t-shirt point - I think the risk would come way more from being indoors with potential spreaders than it would from the surface transmission from clothes.

But the article that sparked all of this signs off with this 'analysis'.


When non-essential retail reopens this week, you will be totally within your rights in a store or a restaurant to put down a product and leave if you feel uncomfortable. If you're worried about lack of ventilation, long queues, or other shoppers getting too close, then don't feel that you have to stay. Just leave.

Be careful around touchpoints. Many shops will provide hand sanitiser, but it's always useful to bring your own for any time you push a door handle, pick up a trolley, or rake through a clothes rack.

Hang on to your receipts. For lots of us, changing rooms might still feel a little too uncomfortable, so if you're buying without trying, then keep the receipt and check with the store. Most will offer you a refund, exchange or credit note if you return it within 28 days.

I've bolded the most lol bits, are we really in a world where people need to be told their within their rights not to buy something and lots of us are scared by changing rooms? Really?

[Magic]

Better not touch that tshirt in case the novid monster is on it lol.

[Boydy]

It's been a weird and scary time that the vast majority of people alive haven't experienced anything like, I don't think it's that mad that some people will be a bit cautious and anxious about returning somewhat to normality.

[Magic]

Don't take validation from that Reg, Boyd was scared of London.

[Boydy]

Scared of London?

I'm not the one who pisses my pants in airports.

[Spikey M]

It's been a weird and scary time that the vast majority of people alive haven't experienced anything like, I don't think it's that mad that some people will be a bit cautious and anxious about returning somewhat to normality.

It's entirely because of shit like this "article" that people are feeling like this though. It's fear mongering at a time when they should be doing the opposite. They should be pointing at the data and saying "lads, the cases are still plummeting. The deaths are too. The vaccine is mustard and we're safe to get back out there. Just wash your hands and wear your mask for a little while longer, but don't stress".

[Yevrah]

It's entirely because of shit like this "article" that people are feeling like this though. It's fear mongering at a time when they should be doing the opposite. They should be pointing at the data and saying "lads, the cases are still plummeting. The deaths are too. The vaccine is mustard and we're safe to get back out there. Just wash your hands and wear your mask for a little while longer, but don't stress".

Yep. The scaremongering that the BBC and other outlets have been indulging in is nothing short of a disgrace. It's sort of understandable when you're trying to get people to follow rules that stop spread when that was needed, but not when the rules and game have changed.

Putting up an article that suggests clothing racks are infested and changing rooms are plague pits, without any context of how likely one is to catch it via those means is pathetic.

[7om]

Reckless behaviour. Blood on your hands.

Absolutely not.

[Kikó]

👀

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Last week for Easter we invited a cousin along with his family, they were originally going to just stand outside the window (Sister has a ground floor flat) and we'd put drinks/food on the windowsill but as it was a little cold just decided they might as well come in.

Today we invited an Auntie and her family as it's my Sister's birthday and another Auntie ended up coming over uninvited.

Was pretty fun.

#OpenTheClubs.

[Lewis]

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Absolutely embarrassing thread that.

[Shindig]

It's a simple question. Why does it need Prefer not to Say and Don't Know?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I prefer not to say.

[7om]

You might as well count Prefer Not To Say as ‘liked’.

[Shindig]

The only time lockdown was good was when it first started. Just that odd sense of adventure that came with the fact none of us had ever had to lockdown. Now I just want it other with.

[igor_balis]

I keep vacillating between OPEN THEN THE CLUBS FUCK IT and realising I'm aligning myself with the anti mask loons and the nutjobs on the right of the Tory party and thinking maybe we should continue to take it easy.

I think my main stance is that, whilst it has been shit, doing all the stuff we had to do for a year or so is one thing, but if they genuinely do continue to massively limit what we can do for a for ages after the vaccines, like rationing for years after WWII finished, I will probably end up getting arrested at some shit rave with Taz.

I do agree with those who say the SCIENTISTS saying woah lads we'll still have to be careful after the vaccine are mostly saying it so divs don't go nuts too soon, but I'm not sure how much that really makes sense.

[Magic]

Why is that view linked with a political stance? Just bizarre.

[Spikey M]

Yeah, I'm in no way anti-mask, anti-vaxx or far-right, but I probably agree with them when it comes to "enough is enough, end the lock down". You don't have to agree or disagree with EVERYTHING someone says. Unless we're ready to throw Boydy to the Wolves for sharing Hitlers views on not eat animals.

[igor_balis]

Why is that view linked with a political stance? Just bizarre.

Hey listen man i don't feel like all my stances have to correctly align with, er, dunno, owen jones or some shit. i just think if you have an opinion which you find is massively agreed with by people you think are insane, it's at least worth giving it a second thought.

[Lewis]

Never doing anything again to own the cons.

[igor_balis]

Yeah, I'm in no way anti-mask, anti-vaxx or far-right, but I probably agree with them when it comes to "enough is enough, end the lock down". You don't have to agree or disagree with EVERYTHING someone says. Unless we're ready to throw Boydy to the Wolves for sharing Hitlers views on not eat animals.

I largely do agree with the first bolded bit, but i'm also a passionate supporter of the second bolded bit. My worst fear - I'm becoming a centrist.

[Spikey M]

I was actually wrong on the second point, you're right. The man is a monster.

I should have used Baz's similarities with Jimmy Savile.

[Pepe]

Last week for Easter we invited a cousin along with his family, they were originally going to just stand outside the window (Sister has a ground floor flat) and we'd put drinks/food on the windowsill

:harold:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

:harold:

We did it for Christmas and it worked surprisingly well.

[Spikey M]

Shame about the frosty parsnips, mind.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It was on Boxing Day and food was mainly just chocolates for the kids.

Sadly we didn't serve them a full Christmas Day feast.

[Lewis]

Shame about the frosty parsnips, mind.

He hid her jumper.

[Boydy]

I largely do agree with the first bolded bit, but i'm also a passionate supporter of the second bolded bit. My worst fear - I'm becoming a centrist.

You highlighted too many words for the second bit.

[Don]

We did it for Christmas and it worked surprisingly well.

Did you play fetch with them, too?

[Magic]

Hey listen man i don't feel like all my stances have to correctly align with, er, dunno, owen jones or some shit. i just think if you have an opinion which you find is massively agreed with by people you think are insane, it's at least worth giving it a second thought.

Not when there's only two choices...

[Spikey M]

Hey listen man i don't feel like all my stances have to correctly align with, er, dunno, owen jones or some shit. i just think if you have an opinion which you find is massively agreed with by people you think are insane, it's at least worth giving it a second thought.

You're not even agreeing with them though. They were saying this whilst 1000+ people were dying every day.

7 deaths were recorded yesterday.

At some point their position (release the lockdown) has to become correct. I think that time is now.

[Shindig]

To be fair, society's largely up and running today. All that's left to open are the clubs, saunas and tourism. In five weeks time, all that'll be left is social distancing.

[Yevrah]

Largely up and running? If I want to go out for breakfast this morning, I have to eat it in the snow.

[Shindig]

If you can't function without someone making breakfast for you ...

[Magic]

Largely up and running? If I want to go out for breakfast this morning, I have to eat it in the snow.

In Shinners world nothing has changed.

[Shindig]

Yeah, it's not like I've lost relatives or have to move out because the landlords died of Covid or anything. And it's not like I'm working from home or anything. Yeah, completely unchanged.

[Yevrah]

If you can't function without someone making breakfast for you ...

The point is society's not largely up and running and we've at least another month before that's true, by which time I'm confident we'll have days with zero deaths recorded.

The unwinding has been too slow, maybe only by a matter of weeks, but given we've now had over a year of this on and off, those weeks feel like some kind of sick experiment.

At this point we should be able to drink in(side) a pub and eat in a restaurant - there's nothing in the science that suggests that would be anything like enough of a risk to stop it happening, but bizarrely it's the SCIENCE (in conjunction with a bed wetting leader) keeping us from doing so.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The economy is more up and running. Society remains closed. I can't have anyone round to my flat.

[Shindig]

For starters, if you're going to make this the last lockdown, you make damn sure it works. Combine it with the vaccine rollout and you're attacking a problem at both ends. And it is an experiment. No two countries are approaching Covid in the same way.

[Yevrah]

The economy is more up and running. Society remains closed. I can't have anyone round to my flat.

Your cricket tales are a quite brilliant example of that.

[Yevrah]

For starters, if you're going to make this the last lockdown, you make damn sure it works.

I don't know what this argument means, essentially:

1. We want to be out of lockdown and make sure we're not in another one.
2. Keep us in lockdown
3. ????
4. Pro(fit)blem solved

[Yevrah]

No two countries are approaching Covid in the same way.

Or this one, as nor should they be. The response should be dependent on where numerous factors currently sit for each, which is why it's so disingenuous for our SCIENCE crew to be citing France or Chile.

[John Arne]

You're not even agreeing with them though. They were saying this whilst 1000+ people were dying every day.

7 deaths were recorded yesterday.



I didn't realise those were the numbers already. How many of those 7 are in the age group of people now fully vaccinated? I would guess all??

Surely with this doing absolute no harm to anyone under 30, the key numbers now are deaths, rather than cases.

[Kikó]

The economy is more up and running. Society remains closed. I can't have anyone round to my flat.

Changing Rooms are open from today and we can have a beer at the clubhouse open next week. It's on.

[Spikey M]

If you can't function without someone making breakfast for you ...

:cab: of course he can. He's had to for the best part of a year, and still is. That's the point. we're discussing normality you tart.


I didn't realise those were the numbers already. How many of those 7 are in the age group of people now fully vaccinated? I would guess all??

Surely with this doing absolute no harm to anyone under 30, the key numbers now are deaths, rather than cases.

That's a weekend figure, so it's a bit lower than the norm. I think the rolling average is 23 or something. Which is still basically nothing and we don't face restrictions for anything else killing 23 people per day.

Deaths should absolutely be the number we're watching. Cases are more or less irrelevant if the vaccine is 100% effective at preventing serious illness. Sadly, the government/media lead everything with whatever data sounds worst.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Changing Rooms are open from today and we can have a beer at the clubhouse open next week. It's on.

You can have changing rooms but not spectators, while we can have spectators but not changing rooms. Haven't worked either of those out yet.

[Spikey M]

:D

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56713017

I don't think I know a single person that actually uses this and they're not exactly putting in much effort to convince us to either. Why are they bothering?

[Baz]

I forgot it even existed until I saw it on my mums phone yesterday. So the only person I know with it is someone who was shielding and couldn’t go anywhere anyway. :harold:

[Spikey M]

I'd love to see the usage data. It must be sub 5% of the population.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I downloaded it but I don't think I've ever opened it.

[Yevrah]

I was put off when a guy at work told me he received a notification advising him to isolate, which then promptly vanished.

It doesn't work and even if it did our population wouldn't use it properly, beyond VARIANTS (still waiting for one that will screw us) I don't know why it isn't just binned. Someone must be on a big lunch out of it continuing.

[Kikó]

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#pintwatch

[Spikey M]

That's a lot of effort just just so you can post a photo of yourself in a pub(garden) on Instagram.

[Waffdon]

Anyone had a pint yet? Two weeks today for the Jocks :drool:

[Lewis]

There must have been a good five-hundred people queuing outside Primark an hour or so ago, with about half that for H&M. Mental.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'll wait until it's civil. I still have a picture on my phone of the first pint (Staropramen, The Plough, Byfleet) after the first lockdown, might end up with a nice ceiling collage.

[mo]

Got anally raped by the cost of a haircut for myself and my two-year-old son (£22.50! His was £10 ffs) but he no longer looks neglected and I don't look homeless. Queued behind 4 others from 7am, was out by 8.30. Weirdly not the longest I've ever waited at the barber's either.

[Manc]

I'll wait until it's civil.

You'll be waiting a while.

[Ian]

Got anally raped by the cost of a haircut for myself and my two-year-old son (£22.50! His was £10 ffs) but he no longer looks neglected and I don't look homeless. Queued behind 4 others from 7am, was out by 8.30. Weirdly not the longest I've ever waited at the barber's either.

A fucking tenner for a two year old? What was he having done?

[mo]

Perm.

[Ian]

In which case you may have underpaid for such a stylish 'do.

[Spikey M]

If his 2 year old is anything like mine, then his haircut will have taken 3 times longer than any adults.

[Yevrah]

£25 it cost me for a hair cut and a beard trim. Usually I get change from a £20 and giving a tip from the same place.

Still, my head feels much better.

[Magic]

I got my haircut today and it's so short I could cry.

[7om]

Post a pic of it.

[Manc]

Nonce.

[phonics]

Post a pic of it.

https://e3.365dm.com/21/03/1600x900/skynews-robert-aaron-long-atlanta_5307830.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20210317050722

[Kikó]

That's Jack Torrence.

[Shindig]

I didn't realise those were the numbers already. How many of those 7 are in the age group of people now fully vaccinated? I would guess all??

Surely with this doing absolute no harm to anyone under 30, the key numbers now are deaths, rather than cases.

Looking at England's heat map, one poor sod in their thirties snuffed it this week. The rest were 55+

[Magic]

Probably a fat cunt.

[randomlegend]

My hair is also gone.

[Baz]

Need to bump the lockdown hair thread with before and after shots

[Lewis]

That was a fun thread, and we should have a serious discussion about banning the remaining mugshot holdouts.

[Ian]

:cool:

[Don]

Started the day with a climbing session, hit up 3 pubs and then back to a house for afters. The highlight was one of the urinals which had loud music so it almost felt like a club momentarily, if you closed your eyes.

I don't want to exagerrate but every fucking useless dumb gash queuing for Primark is ten times the person that sat at home doing the same shit they have been doing for the past fuck knows how long is.

[Luca]

That was a fun thread, and we should have a serious discussion about banning the remaining mugshot holdouts.

My greatest contribution to the board since the Samsung videos.

[Lewis]

I want to see Bernanke grimacing in his chair before this is over with.

[Magic]

Was the gash glorious and willing Tazman.

[Spikey M]

The rules have changed, his height hasn't.

[Baz]

Ramadan Mubarak to all my brothers and sisters; may Allah bless us this holy month with happiness and prosperity and beer gardens.

[Queenslander]

Ramadan Mubarak to all my brothers and sisters; may Allah bless us this holy month with happiness and prosperity and beer gardens.

It is glorious!

[Kikó]

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Paging Dr Yev.

[Shindig]

On the first day the clubs open, he'll get turned away for trying to bring his bike in.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I can imagine Australia will be bang up for keeping the borders shut forever. Pretty sure most people in most countries would, actually.

[Queenslander]

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Paging Dr Yev.

I will egg every LNP memberz office if they dare.

[Queenslander]

I can imagine Australia will be bang up for keeping the borders shut forever. Pretty sure most people in most countries would, actually.

Farm workers from 3rd world shitholes will still be planed in for slave wages.

Edit: We wont let the unvaccinated in that is for damn sure.

[Yevrah]

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Paging Dr Yev.

Jesus, yet another example of absolute rot being spoken. What is his criteria for opening up?

[7om]

Astonishing. The shifting of goalposts in the last few months has really been a sight to behold.

[Yevrah]

Astonishing. The shifting of goalposts in the last few months has really been a sight to behold.

I don't know if these people realise that they've literally become the worst form of anti-vaxxers it's possible to be. They're advocating people have it and then saying it isn't a solution, all from a position of authority/power.

That's surely far more damaging than an idiot in a basement/Russian or Chinese misinformation farms claiming it's sent by Bill Gates to control us.

[Spikey M]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-lockdown-is-main-reason-for-drop-in-coronavirus-cases-and-deaths-not-vaccinations-says-boris-johnson-12274266?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral

Apparently it's the lockdown bringing the deaths down, not the (100% effective at preventing serious illness) vaccine.

[Kikó]

Well I would say he's right. Vaccinations are one part of the puzzle but the lockdown has been the direct contributor right now to reducing cases and deaths. Longer term, with more vaccinated, it will be due to the vaccines.

[Kikó]

J&J recommended to be paused:
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[Jimmy Floyd]

Boris is right, thus far, although the vaccines will already have taken a decent chunk (maybe 20,000) out of the death toll too. By definition their relative impact will be greater as time goes on.

[Spikey M]

It's a pincer attack. Why make out that it isn't?

The goalposts have moved from "the game has changed" and "this is our way out" to "nah, it's just the lockdown and who knows if we'll ever be back to normal" over the last 3 months and I find in inexplicable.

[Yevrah]

Echoing what that drippy WHO official said. Madness.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's the same comms approach they've been using for months, i.e. play down any good news to encourage compliance / discourage complacency. It's pretty dishonest but it probably gets results.

[Yevrah]

It's the same comms approach they've been using for months, i.e. play down any good news to encourage compliance / discourage complacency. It's pretty dishonest but it probably gets results.

Well aware that that's the strategy, but its messaging is becoming increasingly ridiculous, to the point of farce.

[Kikó]

The pubs are open Yev. Go and have a pint ffs.

[Spikey M]

J&J officially postponed now. The dirty clot causing bastards.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

J&J recommended to be paused:
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SIX cases in 6.8m?

No wonder they shut it all down.

[Pepe]

It was one of my student's birthday yesterday and they invited me to join them at the bar. No masks to be seen anywhere. /novid

[7om]

In before Pepe gets fired for shagging students.

[Spikey M]

What kind of sad act invites their teacher out for their birthday?

And more to the point, what kind of teacher goes? :harold:

[niko_cee]

At the level I assume he teaches at isn't that a bit like going for a drink with a colleague?

[Don]

The domesticated maggots projecting their bitterness at not being able to partake in the dorm orgies. SAD.

[Shindig]

I always figured the lockdown was working to a point. Like how in the last lockdown, it seemed to stall before the variant took off. I'm taking any day we're under 5,000 cases as the vaccine effect. Or whatever. They're just numbers. As for the clots, I'm not sure that's something you can engineer out unless you have a real clear demographic. Although all the J&J clots are in women so ... sounds ... something.

[Don]

Shinners, can you please get back to the jobs thread with these inane posts, we're done here.

[Shindig]

I'll never respect you til you blow something up.

[Pepe]

What kind of sad act invites their teacher out for their birthday?

And more to the point, what kind of teacher goes? :harold:

Professor Pepe for you, mate.

Dr. Pepe allowed too.

[Magic]

Lol Taz's lack of update means the ladies still not digging Asian meat despite being locked up for 12 months.

[Kikó]

Had two pints in a pub this evening. Quite excellent.

[Magic]

No longer at his in-laws. We've got him back, lads.

[Lewis]

Giggles

[Kikó]

Rip giggles.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Cricket bullshit latest: after a late revision yesterday, spectators have now been banned again until mid-May. So you are allowed to come and use our outdoor hospitality at the ground, but you're not allowed to be a spectator. I presume we will be putting black screens up on all our tables in case anyone is tempted to have a peek at the match going on.

Either that or we are just going to ignore these fucking stupid regulations.

[Spikey M]

:D

I'd love to sit in on the meetings where they come up with this shit.

[Jimmy Floyd]

According to my sources it all comes from the idea that there were some outbreaks last September/October associated with spectators at grassroots football in the north of England. Because of that the government nerds (who have probably never visited a sports pitch in their life) want spectators banned, but obviously they can't only ban football spectators, as the football people would have a massive cry, so they have to ban spectators at all sports. However, obviously many sports clubs have an associated bar or even restaurant area, which are now allowed to open for outdoor seating along with pubs, and they can't selectively shut those down because that would also be discrimination. So you end up with a ridiculous scenario where people can sit on tables of 6 outside a building, but an old man with a dog isn't allowed to sit on a bench on his own, in the open air, 100 yards away.

[Don]

Ona similarly lol note, we got told a year ago to stop seeing our family because some fatties were dying :D

[Magic]

90% false positive rate on those rapid tests. :drool:

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56768601

:o :o :o

[Kikó]

90% false positive rate on those rapid tests. :drool:

The lateral flow tests are a complete shambles.

[niko_cee]

Wasn't the actual stat that the rapid tests were picking up something like 90% of positives (so 10% false negatives?) and that 1 in 1000 returns as a false positive?

[7om]

The sensitivity of lateral flow tests are amazing with very good specificity. That is to say if you test negative you are extremely unlikely to have the disease. But if you test positive it’s only around a 75% probability you actually are positive, so 25% will test positive and not actually have covid.

[Magic]

Anyone else noticed novid has resulted in everyone coming up with their own way of making something sound shite or amazing depending on what they are arguing.

[7om]

Anyone else noticed novid has resulted in everyone coming up with their own way of making something sound shite or amazing depending on what they are arguing.

And you’re not partisan at all.

[Dquincy]

Anyone else noticed novid has resulted in everyone coming up with their own way of making something sound shite or amazing depending on what they are arguing.

Isn't that most people when debating online (whether it be twitter, forums, etc)? We're all wankers who think our own points of view are correct, except me of course.

[Dquincy]

Just got back from a pub lunch and it was truly glorious. Wasn't that fussed about going until I got there and then memories flooded back of what normal life felt like. Highly recommend it.

[Dquincy]

The sensitivity of lateral flow tests are amazing with very good specificity. That is to say if you test negative you are extremely unlikely to have the disease. But if you test positive it’s only around a 75% probability you actually are positive, so 25% will test positive and not actually have covid.

Imagine that 25% screwing up your holiday plans though.

[Jimmy Floyd]

My first round of golf back last week was amazing, even though I didn't strike one properly until the 9th hole. Sunk a 25 footer for par and actually felt joy. Had long since forgotten that.

[Magic]

Isn't that most people when debating online (whether it be twitter, forums, etc)? We're all wankers who think our own points of view are correct, except me of course.

Not as bad as this.

[7om]

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/apr/16/malawi-to-bin-16000-astrazeneca-doses-amid-fears-of-rise-in-vaccine-hesitancy

And this is what happens when you fuck about over 1 in a million side effects.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm pretty sure it's some kind of conspiracy by the other (profit-making) vaccines. That said, Malawi (and all its neighbours) are massive idiots.

[Shindig]

There's definitely some competitive bullshit going on. Pfizer and Moderna should release their clottery numbers. All these vaccines using the same methodology but AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson are being scapegoated.

[7om]

There's definitely some competitive bullshit going on. Pfizer and Moderna should release their clottery numbers. All these vaccines using the same methodology but AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson are being scapegoated.

How do you mean, same methodology?

[Shindig]

They're all mRNA jabs, aren't they?

[7om]

Moderna and Pfizer are mRNA, yeah. Oxford and J&J use a reconstructed virus that delivers the viral proteins.

[Shindig]

Ah, I all had them down as doing the same work. It appears the EU's going to bin those two off as soon as the contracts expire.

[Offshore Toon]

I've got a mate from Malawi called Milembo. Met him whilst I was cycling home pissed one night about 3am and saw him dancing in in the street. Gotta be the only Malawi national to have lived in both Jersey and Guernsey, but you never know.

[Dquincy]

Course you do mate.

[randomlegend]

Anyone else noticed novid has resulted in everyone coming up with their own way of making something sound shite or amazing depending on what they are arguing.

People absolutely represent stats in misleading ways to make their point. That's not the same as what you do which is to just says things which aren't even close to being true.

[randomlegend]

Imagine that 25% screwing up your holiday plans though.

My understanding was people who test positive on lateral flow are advised to get a PCR test to confirm.

[Magic]

People absolutely represent stats in misleading ways to make their point. That's not the same as what you do which is to just says things which aren't even close to being true.

False. 90% of my true posts are factual.

[Dquincy]

My understanding was people who test positive on lateral flow are advised to get a PCR test to confirm.

But if they need the lateral flow test within so many hours of your flight (say 48 or 24), it doesn’t leave you much time to arrange a 2nd PCR test and get the results before you're having your 9am pint in duty free.

[Shindig]

I think the airports require a PCR test rather than a lateral flow one. They'll do it at the airport for you, if you're lucky.

[Don]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/17/tinnitus-helpline-reports-a-surge-in-calls-since-start-of-covid-coronavirus-pandemic

Not something I'd connected to this as my bouts are very rare but good to know I can add it to the list :happycry:

[Lewis]

Today I saw somebody leafleting for the Green Party in a mask, a full face visor thing, gloves, and using a wooden spatula to pry/push letterboxes open. They were only young as well. How is anyone like that going to cope ever again?

[Jimmy Floyd]

They aren't. They'll morph into a weird subset of humanity whose way of life we will have to 'respect', like the travellers.

I was umpiring yesterday and my colleague was going on about always sanitising his hands after he touches the bails, 'so at least I'm safe'. After touching the bails? No one else touches them, and we're in the middle of a field, and they're four inch bits of wood, and it transmits through the air, and... oh, god, it's all just too much.

[Shindig]

The Greens over here are doing less than that. Pushing stuff through the door and not campaigning face to face. I'm just looking forward to a summer of stuff.

[Magic]

I keep seeing Deliveroo student type delivery cyclists wearing masks whilst on the road. :harold:

[Bernanke]

1383843545841233931

Mumbai with a 30% positivity rate on tests. :eyemouth:

[Magic]

False positive? :eyemouth:

[Jimmy Floyd]

That is textbook new variant. It won't be a vaccine escaper though. I doubt any of them will.

[Spikey M]

That is textbook new variant. It won't be a vaccine escaper though. I doubt any of them will.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56792740.amp

Team fear beat you to it Jim.

[Spikey M]

"To escalate it up the ranking we need to know that it is increased transmissibility, increased severity or vaccine evading, and we just don't have that yet."

They make it sould like it should be the aim to "escalate" :D

[Queenslander]

Missus oncologist told her to not get the AJ and to wait for the pfyzer.


Anti vax will dine out on this untill the end of time.

Rip

[Spikey M]

Someone on the news has just said that the Indian VARIANT is "resistant to the vaccine" and it went completely unchallenged.

If this is true it's the first I've heard of it.

[Luke Emia]

I've literally only just heard of the Indian Variant then they say there are hundreds of cases over here already to beat the old make everyone panic bandwagon. If you are that concerned just close everything down again, obviously they aren't that concerned otherwise they would do.

[Queenslander]

The Greens (the actual opposition) pointed out today that Australia doesn't have a vaccine deadline or a deadline for our International borders. There is a fair chance we won't open up untill after the next Federal election.

[7om]

Why is Tony Blair on BBC news advocating for the AZ vaccine? He’s right on everything, but this is a bit random.

[Waffdon]

Wee Nic needs to open the pubs this weekend when the weather is good rather than next week

[Bernanke]

False positive? :eyemouth:

Probably not since deaths are looking like this. :cab:

https://i.ibb.co/0fFSpQS/Screenshot-2021-04-21-112935.png

[Manc]

Riddled with it. Has it reached our shores?

[Shindig]

Of course it has.

[Manc]

Brill.

[Lewis]

I've come to the conclusion that the reason they won't shut the borders is that, once the infrastructure was in place to keep them closed and track who comes and goes, they don't fancy their chances of convincing the population to open them again (at least not to the normal let every cunt in the world move here levels). Which is nice, because otherwise all of this staying in and wrecking the country could have gone to waste; but here we are upholding fundamental rights.

[Dquincy]

Probably not since deaths are looking like this. :cab:

https://i.ibb.co/0fFSpQS/Screenshot-2021-04-21-112935.png

That covid went on the rampage for one day in early July.

The India thing is being made significantly worse with their holy festivals. Bloody religion amirite.

[Queenslander]

https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-nsw-health-starts-contact-tracing-after-ship-crew-tests-positive-to-covid19/2e4fa085-6b1c-447f-a1a4-47a31063fcfd

Imagine not vaccinating the wharfies.

LOLiberal party.

[Dquincy]

Looks like India are aiming for herd immunity without the vaccine. Record cases in successive days. Worrying to say the least (for them).

[Shindig]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2021/4/24/dd241ef8-1e77-448f-8e48-c6fee5ef77a2.jpg

It's always been negotiable, you mongs. You're not free to do whatever you want.

[Spikey M]

No fucker is following the rules anyway. They're just inconveniencing themselves at their retarded gatherings.

Go see your mates and shut the fuck up.

[Shindig]

I just don't get what they're protesting besides worrying about covid passports that just aren't going to happen in the way they think. Although half the crowd look like they're on oxygen.

[7om]

As if people are still pissing their pants over freedoms. Go and see your loved ones and get on with your life.

[Yevrah]

You can tell by the amount of traffic on the roads that the whole thing is done.

[Spikey M]

You can tell by the amount of traffic on the roads that the whole thing is done.

I took the kids down the seafront today. The theme park was rammed, the beaches were shoulder to shoulder, grandparents had their grandkids holding their hands, big groups of people mixing, zero social distance, zero masks, zero fucks given.

It is indeed well over and done with and rightfully so. It was the first time things have felt fully normal for more than a year (save for a couple of taped off urinals with "out of use to allow social distancing" stuck to them).

Beautiful.

[Kikó]

I think we've got to the end of it definitely. It's good to see people re-emerge really, it's been a challenging 4 months.

[Baz]

My mum told me that when they go round their neighbours for a drink in the garden, the neighbours bring out their drinks with tissues/kitchen roll wrapped around the glasses/bottles and put them on the table and then take the tissues to the bin, to avoid contact. I can’t fathom how anyone thinks that is a) doing anything or b) worthwhile. (Are they the same? lol)

She also said when they came round theirs for drinks, they just handed them over and suspected they got called rotten when they went home. I’m glad my parents are weirdos.

[Shindig]

That's mad. Like, a bit of vigilance in your life is good but that's just outright insanity.

[7om]

There is a minority who are going to struggle for a while, and it’s understandable. We’ve been through a tough year and that’ll take some time to get over.

[Dquincy]

Yeah, but those people are proper melts.

[Kikó]

You believe Bill Gates is trying to poison us with a vaccine. I'd wind your neck in if I was you.

[Dquincy]

Fuck off you slag.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

You believe Bill Gates is trying to poison us with a vaccine. I'd wind your neck in if I was you.

You've got it wrong, it's not him "it's someone else".

[Jimmy Floyd]

I was out umpiring today and my colleague for the day turns up, Big Joe who is a Jamaican guy who's been on the circuit forever. Greets me with a thumping great outstretched hand for a shake. Who am I to resist?

First handshake for over a year, loved it.

Obviously we couldn't have a drink standing up afterwards in a massive open field, but rules are rules!

[Shindig]

Ah, c'mon. Drinking on a cricket pitch is tantamount to anarchy. Got to protect the sanctity of the game.

[Pepe]

I took the kids down the seafront today. The theme park was rammed, the beaches were shoulder to shoulder, grandparents had their grandkids holding their hands, big groups of people mixing, zero social distance, zero masks, zero fucks given.

:drool:

[Pepe]

I was out umpiring today and my colleague for the day turns up, Big Joe who is a Jamaican guy who's been on the circuit forever. Greets me with a thumping great outstretched hand for a shake. Who am I to resist?

First handshake for over a year, loved it.

:drool:

[Lewis]

'Me doan't mind 'avin' a likkle 'andshake wiv...'
*Big Joe looks thoroughly embarrassed*

[Pepe]

:D

[Dquincy]

You believe Bill Gates is trying to poison us with a vaccine. I'd wind your neck in if I was you.

Well this is a rather good timing.

http://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-bill-gates-hopeful-world-completely-back-to-normal-by-end-of-2022-and-vaccine-sharing-to-ramp-up-12285840

[Don]

My sauna community coming together yesterday in Hyde park. Beautiful scenes.

[Spikey M]

1386014415435091972?s=19

[Magic]

:D

Just amazing.

[Shindig]

Oh 'eck. They might want to rethink that.

[Spikey M]

"Jews also weren't allowed down the pub!"

[Shindig]

"I know what it's like to be persecuted, mate."

[Spikey M]

They could have atleast tried the "No Black's, No Dogs, No Unvaccinated" line. Give us something to work with lads.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Apparently they were also calling mask wearers nazis...

[mo]

Saw a video of a woman interviewed who actually called it ‘a genocide’.

[Don]

How the fuck have India defeated it with that culture and infrastructure of theirs (no offence Diljeet)? I'm on fucking tilt here.

Real late drama to turn it around here, Jeff.

420 pages :rasta:

[Baz]

Just heard in a meeting “some staff are still furloughed until September.” Are they still on 80%? Have some people been receiving 80% pay for doing nothing, since April 2020?

[Dquincy]

Just heard in a meeting “some staff are still furloughed until September.” Are they still on 80%? Have some people been receiving 80% pay for doing nothing, since April 2020?
Yep. Extract below...

The extension until September 2021 means employees will continue to receive 80% of their salary for hours not worked until the scheme ends. The current 80% government contribution will continue until the June 2021 then this contribution will be tapered with employers contributing 10% in July, increasing to 20% in August and September.

Edit : I bet there are many who are loving furlough life. Dossers.

[Baz]

Those lucky few will look back on the pandemic with tears in their eyes, for many different reasons to the rest of the world. What a life. :cool:

[Manc]

They won't be able to readjust to the working world.

[Spikey M]

They'll get a fat redundancy pay out in September as well. :happycry:

[Kikó]

I can't imagine anything worse than a year of furlough tbh. It must be mind numbing.

edit: a year without being paid is probably worse.

[Andrew]

The furlough scheme is like sticking a plaster on a festering gash that's gone septic on your arm

Soon as that band aid is ripped off you just know the arms going to fall off..

[Don]

The economic doom and gloom seems to have been all but forgotten about now that the Aperols are back. Either the economy and society as a whole has managed a real impressive pivot in a short time-span or everyone in charge of the narrative has come out of the pandemic with a bank balance looking like Elon Musk's and has little interest in shedding light on the reality. Looking round the shopping centres, I'm leaning towards the latter and hoping the comedown will be hard and fast.

[Jimmy Floyd]

My impression, looking around me, is that there are a lot of mentally damaged people. I would expect a higher than usual murder rate this year.

[Magic]

Apart from the industries that have been locked down, and maybe ones directly associated with that, there should be nobody on fucking furlough or (more likely) flexi-furlough by now. If they can do their jobs 2 days a week then reduce their hours or your business is a bloated carcass that needs to die.

[Spikey M]

The Mental Health effects of this will outweigh the physical ones in the long run. There are a large number of people that seem to be broken beyond repair and they come from both the Team Fear and Novid camps.

[Magic]

It's not been helped by the mismanagement, the culture, the lies in the media (both for and against, and the fearmongering) and many more things.

The end result is if we have another scenario where we have to 'lock down' or need some sort of public buy in over the next 50 or so years it'll not go well at all.

[Kikó]

Just a note on the "fearmongering", my colleagues in India and Germany are currently fucked due to the high cases and subsequent deaths. I fully endorse fearmongering to get out of this shit. It's a serious condition.

[Yevrah]

Just a note on the "fearmongering", my colleagues in India and Germany are currently fucked due to the high cases and subsequent deaths. I fully endorse fearmongering to get out of this shit. It's a serious condition.

Do you support fearmongering after a vaccine has been deployed to nearly all of the vulnerable people in the country?

[Magic]

Just a note on the "fearmongering", my colleagues in India and Germany are currently fucked due to the high cases and subsequent deaths. I fully endorse fearmongering to get out of this shit. It's a serious condition.

I think the Indian situation is unique. How are your German colleagues fucked?

[Spikey M]

India were always going to be fucked. They have all the population density of China with none of the leadership / obedience. I'm just surprised it took this long. It does look properly grim. It reminds me of those Care Homes the Spanish abandoned in the first wave.

[Kikó]

Do you support fearmongering after a vaccine has been deployed to nearly all of the vulnerable people in the country?

I recommend some caution until we hit a certain threshold (or just continue following the planned relaxation). I don't like the poor reporting where journalists are unable to fully understand what they're reporting on.
Magic It sounds like the Indian variant has made its way over through open borders.

[Yevrah]

I don't like the poor reporting where journalists are unable to fully understand what they're reporting on.

But you are ok with scientists giving interviews where they're outright lieing?

[Kikó]

Yes I'm okay with that.

[Yevrah]

SCIENCE really can do no wrong.

[Spikey M]

Tell me that's sarcasm keeks. I beg of you.

[Manc]

Yev on the bath salts again.

[Kikó]

I mean it's pretty obvious I don't think "outright lies" are okay ffs :D

[Spikey M]

I thought ConspiracyKiko going full Government shill was in the cards for a minute there. It would have been the best heel turn since Stone Cold Steve Austin started working for the McMahons.

[wullie]

What's happening in India now is what I assumed would be happening there within about two weeks of it all kicking off last year.

[Magic]

The Indian variant isn't a problem, it's the fact you've got individual state borders actively cock blocking oxygen and supplies to others.

The death toll here will be horrendous, but it's not due to anything other than lolIndiaism.

[Dquincy]

The Indian variant isn't a problem, it's the fact you've got individual state borders actively cock blocking oxygen and supplies to others.

The death toll here will be horrendous, but it's not due to anything other than lolIndiaism.
Surely the religious festivals are also a major contributor to the current situation.

[Don]

Kiko's arse must be in bits from all that fence sitting his safe posting is founded upon. Man came with 'Chris Wood is a good striker' after he'd banged in a first half hattrick and then has the temerity to fling shit at me :face:

[Kikó]

If you had said it, he'd have had a Foe moment.

[Don]

I think COVID might be capable of making people ill.

I also think India is affected by COVID.

[SvN]

I know someone who's been on furlough since April 2020 and is anticipating redundancy payoff in September. He's also been working another job since May 2020 and has basically saved a fortune in the last year.

A friend of my wife's came back from a year of maternity leave in March 2020 and then got furloughed 3 weeks later, and hasn't worked since. She's planning on handing in her notice the day she's brought back.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think I would do the same, re quitting. You'd have to, wouldn't you, if you had any self-respect? Your boss has basically decided you are surplus to requirements for a year. I'd want out.

[John Arne]

One of the local Vietnam vaccines has just finished phase 2 trials and has 100% immunogenicity. Apparently this doesn't necessarily mean it will mean 100% efficacy, but it's a good result. Here's hoping phase 3 trials are fucking successful. Currently, only 200,000 of 97,000,000 have been vaccinated.

[Lewis]

https://i.imgur.com/Hz10hJI.png

[Magic]

Surely the religious festivals are also a major contributor to the current situation.

No different to our BLM and Easter stuff. The difference is we're not a third world country.

[Spikey M]

Debatable

[Yevrah]

How is a company run so badly that they've had someone on Furlough for over a year? It breaks my mind.

[Spikey M]

How is a company run so badly that they've had someone on Furlough for over a year? It breaks my mind.

Nightclubs and the like are the main ones in that situation presumably.

[Pepe]

Nightclubs don't pay anyone, do they?

[Manc]

Only appearance fees Don.

[Lewis]

He has to buy all his own aftershaves and towels out of that.

[Dquincy]

Question.

The daily covid cases have hovered mostly between 2k and 3k cases since 4th April. On the basis that many people have not been sticking to the rules for quite some time and are in fact going round to see family and friends, etc. Would it be reasonable to have expected the daily cases to have risen by now on that basis? And the fact it has not jumped up, is that tangible evidence to suggest the vaccine is significantly helping to keep the cases under control (as well as deaths and hospitalisations)?

Or am I talking nonsense and the daily cases will shoot up after 17th May and/or 21st June?

[Don]

Lad, don't start this sort of talk again, you'll awaken Shinners. We're 3 weeks away from sauna heaven.