Coronavirus Death Thread

[Lewis]

Lidl has loved this. Having no tills open and expecting everyone to wait an hour to use the self-service shits is their dream scenario.

[Queenslander]

https://i.ibb.co/Hp32y5h/FB-IMG-1588290169146.jpg (https://ibb.co/sJzP48W)

[Baz]

I received an email from someone asking for permission to reopen his car wash.

Not sure why he sent it to me. :happycry:

[Spikey M]

Have you let him?

[Baz]

Have you let him?
Not a chance. If anyone who owns a car didn't use the recent glorious sunshine and empty schedule to wash their car, they don't deserve for some Moroccan to do it for £4.50.

[Spikey M]

Clean my own car? Fuck off lad.

[Ian]

Baz trying to put people out of jobs. :nono:

[Manc]

I'm genuinely losing track of days at this point. How far along are we into the second round of lockdown?

[Spikey M]

Just finishing week 2. Week 3 starts Monday.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I counted the days at 5.30am this morning when I woke up. This is day 1 of May, day 39 of lockdown, and day 51 since I last saw friends/family.

[Vercetti]

Lidl have no interest in whether you live or die.

My kind of shopping experience.

[Foe]

Baz trying to put people out of jobs. :nono:

The took our jobs!

[Ian]

Goddamn goo-backs.

[Magic]

Loads of traffic on the roads today.

[Lewis]

I thought that on my mooch, but I put it down to people maybe not wanting to chance walking to the shops in the on/off rain.

[Don]

122K tests yesterday. Fucking smashed the cisgender vegan cunts all over the gaff :drool:

[mugbull]

Aint no way all of them are reliable

[Waffdon]

122K tests yesterday. Fucking smashed the cisgender vegan cunts all over the gaff :drool:

That’s a lie if I’ve ever seen one.

740 deaths. That spike :drool:

[Boydy]

They changed how they were recording the number of tests to hit the target from what I read.

[Yevrah]

It's 122k tests on 73k people.

Which isn't what they said originally (100k people) and shows how horribly unreliable these shitty tests are.

[Lewis]

Which dickheads are having multiple tests?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Which dickheads are having multiple tests?

It's just one each and then Dominic Cummings has tested himself 50,000 times.

[Lofty]

Not a chance. If anyone who owns a car didn't use the recent glorious sunshine and empty schedule to wash their car, they don't deserve for some Moroccan to do it for £4.50.

If you have a good setup it's fine but I once tried with a knackered power washer and ended up piss wet through with a car not much cleaner having wasted 45 minutes of my life, a car wash 2 minutes drive away.

Regarding tests isn't it Serco administrating a load of self tests that apparently wont be effective because people wont do them right?

[Shindig]

We have a woman who was booted out the office earlier in the week for displaying a symptom. Annoyingly, she's been advised to isolate for 7 days and I gather she's not been advised to like ... book a test.

[Yevrah]

Which dickheads are having multiple tests?

The tests don't work properly and they have to get a positive read before you're admitted to the Covid ward.

So to answer your question, anyone who obviously has it where the first test comes back negative.

[randomlegend]

We were initially told the tests were only about 70% sensitive so to expect a lot of false negatives, but our lab put out an update yesterday saying ours have been more like 95% sensitive and specific which is reassuring. We've only had one kid in paeds who's been retested because of a negative first test but high clinical suspicion who's been positive on the second test.

I do wonder if some of the initial false negatives were down to people taking the swabs poorly who weren't used to doing it. You have to really get in there.

[Shindig]

The self-testing kits will probably have plenty not doing it right.

[Giggles]

That’s us anyway.


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[Giggles]

I’ve done 3 self test kits now and they reckon they’re 90% but that’s from the manufacturer.

[Lewis]

I was just in Asda, and some idiot in a mask leaned all over me to grab something off a shelf I was in front of. That theory about masks just emboldening spastics might have something in it.

[Giggles]

https://www.datecountdown.com/?timer=1&d=8%2f10%2f2020+12%3a00+AM&t=Pint+Time

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I was just in Asda, and some idiot in a mask leaned all over me to grab something off a shelf I was in front of. That theory about masks just emboldening spastics might have something in it.

They're the fucking worst, they think that they can't get it.

[Vercetti]

I was in an off-license a couple of days ago, and encountered a fully masked up pisshead.

I'd have found it funny, if he hadn't taken what seemed like half an hour weighing up a Ritz cracker purchase, in an aisle about two-feet wide, the twat.

[Jimmy Floyd]

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In a way one has to have grudging respect for the brazenness of Gideon's twitter output these days.

[Shindig]

If anything, the death reporting and extra testing just shows how far we have to go.

[Spikey M]

I was more concerned by the way that he made it seem like an award ceremony tonight. Thanking all the companies that helped him get there and everything.

These daily updates need to fuck off anyway. It's the same questions and answers every day.

[Lewis]

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In a way one has to have grudging respect for the brazenness of Gideon's twitter output these days.

Remember when he put Nick 'Cleggers' Clegg up to giving it to Labour over the 'illegal war in Iraq' and mouthed along to it? The original 4D chess grandmaster.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I was more concerned by the way that he made it seem like an award ceremony tonight. Thanking all the companies that helped him get there and everything.

These daily updates need to fuck off anyway. It's the same questions and answers every day.

Hi Spikey.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Remember when he put Nick 'Cleggers' Clegg up to giving it to Labour over the 'illegal war in Iraq' and mouthed along to it? The original 4D chess grandmaster.

I saw Guido writing him up as 'Journalist George Osborne' for last night's QT and thought back to all the old lol Gids face-pulls giving it some. Shame he was a naff chancellor really.

[Spikey M]

Hi Spikey.

-<3

[Lewis]

I saw Guido writing him up as 'Journalist George Osborne' for last night's QT and thought back to all the old lol Gids face-pulls giving it some. Shame he was a naff chancellor really.

https://i.imgur.com/OIBZqHg.png

That Labour bench is like a busted flush XI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nk0983tvhCg). Another top moment was when he gave that speech for I think the Spectator and he joked about the 'Sarkozy box' (to no laughter) behind the lectern. It has vanished from YouTube, so he probably had GCQH take it down as one of his last acts in government.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I seem to remember Sarkozy losing his shit about that as well, or at least other French people doing so on his behalf.

[randomlegend]

I’ve done 3 self test kits now and they reckon they’re 90% but that’s from the manufacturer.

They probably are 90% if the swabs are done well.

[Lofty]

If my bathroom is apparently leaking into the ceiling of my dining room that is an essential repair surely? Need to get someone out, gonna be a rip out the shower tray job.

[Giggles]

They probably are 90% if the swabs are done well.

I’d say maybe the first wasn’t but I made the eyes really water after that.

[Spikey M]

Why are you having to take so many tests?

[Giggles]

For work. Can’t have a case being traced back to some facilities or they’d be in danger of shutting down. That said, with the incubation period it’s only really a box ticking exercise.

[Spikey M]

How often do you have to take them? Is it a legal or a company requirement?

[Giggles]

Requirement from two companies that I’m working in to take a test to be allowed on the premises once the result comes back. They’ve been about 5 days apart with the first and most recent from the same place. Also had to sign that I won’t travel outside the country (as if), won’t work in other facilities that have 100+ staff on site (some of our other guys can cover that), and am following restriction guidelines in my personal time.
One is completed now anyway and the other is awaiting final sign off next week so I won’t be taking more unless there’s issues.

[Spikey M]

You'd have a job even getting the test over here.

[Shindig]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52518186

Oof.

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-51235105

The first map on there says there has been a total of 239,489 deaths from Coronavirus. How the fuck have we had more than 10% of global deaths?

[phonics]

Because of the countries telling the truth about their numbers. You have an elderly, unhealthy population, an underfunded health system and took the least precautions until it was everywhere?

[Yevrah]

Yep. We didn't lock down quickly enough is why our number is so high.

And Phonics is bang on, other countries are lying/recording deaths badly.

And stick all the as yet unrecorded care home deaths in Spikey and we'll be well above 40,000 already.

[Spikey M]

Because of the countries telling the truth about their numbers. You have an elderly, unhealthy population, an underfunded health system and took the least precautions until it was everywhere?

Granted, but 10% of deaths is still pretty shocking for a country of our size.

[phonics]

This testing story as well is hilarious. Claiming you're doing 100,000 tests a day when you're just posting them to people :D

[Yevrah]

Granted, but 10% of deaths is still pretty shocking for a country of our size.

But it's not actually 10% of deaths if the other numbers aren't reliable.

[Giggles]

A stats competition vs the world doesn't really matter in the bigger picture anyway.

[phonics]

No matter the lies. The country is fucked.


Since the programme aired, a number of NHS (https://www.theguardian.com/society/nhs) workers who were interviewed for it were reported to be either longstanding members or supporters of the Labour party.

Imagine that being your takeaway.

[Spikey M]

Yep. We didn't lock down quickly enough is why our number is so high.

And Phonics is bang on, other countries are lying/recording deaths badly.

And stick all the as yet unrecorded care home deaths in Spikey and we'll be well above 40,000 already.

Care home deaths is going to be the real story when we look back at this at the eventual enquiry our government will face.

The way they've handled this shit within the care system is a disgrace. Not providing PPE was bad, but they started off actively advising against carers using it. I sway between thinking they just don't give a shit about the care sector and thinking that they've actively carried out a cull.

[Don]

This testing story as well is hilarious. Claiming you're doing 100,000 tests a day when you're just posting them to people :D

What exactly is the issue with this? The kits allow the people to get tested, there is no issue with counting them as part of the testing number as has been backed up by the scientists. If the country shipped out 70m testing kits to every household problem of testing would be solved. Keep this crying for twitter where the crowd lap it up.

[Spikey M]

A stats competition vs the world doesn't really matter in the bigger picture anyway.

Of course it does. It's a direct result of the incompetence of our government.

[Giggles]

Of course it does. It's a direct result of the incompetence of our government.

Your own numbers going up or down vs your own numbers would be far more worthwhile rather than bighty vs the planet again.

[Yevrah]

This testing story as well is hilarious. Claiming you're doing 100,000 tests a day when you're just posting them to people :D

It's been really bad. There's been more than a whiff of manipulation throughout this with everything behind the cult of THE SCIENCE.

[phonics]

It's been really bad. There's been more than a whiff of manipulation throughout this with everything behind the cult of THE SCIENCE.

Science isn't the cult here, it's the government. Hence why your culture secretary is accusing NHS workers of being bias nonces like they're journos saying something not nice about Liverpool.

[Lewis]

The problem with the Panorama programme was that, when the National Health Service employs half the country, the BBC somehow only managed to interview Labour activists (there were also wider issues conflating 'the government' with nominally independent bodies where it suited them). And you like to consider yourself a cynic...

[phonics]

I get it Lewis, you don't like people saying mean things about your political football club. And you can't actually refute any of the points they made so you have to call in on your magical sword of 'BIAS' to cut them down.

[Yevrah]

Science isn't the cult here, it's the government.

The government that's heavily influenced by scientists.

[phonics]

The government that's heavily influenced by scientists.

Weird that your government heavily influenced by scientists disagreed with the actions of the rest of the continent that were also influenced by scientists.

You must have got a bad batch of scientists.

Weren't you the one that said SARS was a WHO conspiracy to get funding?

[Lewis]

I get it Lewis, you don't like people saying mean things about your political football club. And you can't actually refute any of the points they made so you have to call in on your magical sword of 'BIAS' to cut them down.

I have no information with which to refute any of their points. That ought to have been the point of the programme. As far as anyone can tell I think the government has done alright, all things considered, and insofar as you can actually count at the minute we're doing about the same as comparable countries. Beyond that... What? It says more about your consistently wank approach to all of this that you can only read that as cheering them on.

[Yevrah]

Weird that your government heavily influenced by scientists disagreed with the actions of the rest of the continent that were also influenced by scientists.

You must have got a bad batch of scientists.

Weren't you the one that said SARS was a WHO conspiracy to get funding?

No I wasn't, you lunatic.

And we do have bad scientists, that much is clear as day. Look at when we locked down, the approach to face masks. The bullshit about not being able to compare countries. The list goes on.

[Giggles]

No I wasn't, you lunatic.

And we do have bad scientists, that much is clear as day. Look at when we locked down, the approach to face masks. The list goes on.

When you locked down was a political decision purely made to be different to the remainder of Europe in the hope of getting something up on them.

[Yevrah]

When you locked down was a political decision purely made to be different to the remainder of Europe in the hope of getting something up on them.

Last I checked Sweden was in Europe.

[Giggles]

Last I checked Sweden was in Europe.

As are a much larger number of other countries also. But yes, pick one isolated example to make a great point.

You were even wanking yourself silly here over the idea of the power of the empire in the world if the herd thing worked.

[Magic]

What about deaths due to delayed treatments or suicide? Will be far higher imo.

[Spikey M]

You can be such an odd man sometimes Giggs.

[Giggles]

You can be such an odd man sometimes Giggs.

Am I making it up? He was ready to go full mast and start pillaging again once this was all over.

"But Sweden is in Europe"; And I'm the odd one. Away and lie in your piss with that one.

[Shindig]

We were definitely holding off on lockdown for political reasons. I don't think it was to spite the EU but more from the idea that shutting the country down is unheard of. Sweden refused to do it because of the conundrum leaving lockdown becomes. What was horrendous about our response was how slow and plodding it was. There was no proactivity to it. No decisiveness and, when you wait, you cost lives.

[Lewis]

If the way we implemented LOCKDOWN has proven to be decisive, then it would follow that everything done since then must have been far better than what other countries are doing, otherwise we would be streaking away from them.

[Spikey M]

You appear to be making it up, yes.

We're for the most part discussing how shit we have dealt with this and you're banging on as if we've burst into a collective verse of 'There'll always be an England'.

When discussing a world wide pandemic, it is a fair unit of measure to compare how other similar populations have dealt with it.

[Giggles]

You appear to be making it up, yes.

We're for the most part discussing how shit we have dealt with this and you're banging on as if we've burst into a collective verse of 'There'll always be an England'.

When discussing a world wide pandemic, it is a fair unit of measure to compare how other similar populations have dealt with it.

You're not in a collective verse because you haven't "donned" everyone like you thought you would.

[Spikey M]

You're having a pop at our superiority complex whilst literally nobody is exhibiting one.

[Spikey M]

You might also want to mull over what it says about yourself that you're so happy with the situation, yet a few months back you were convinced that we'd be celebrating a terrorist attack in Dublin.

[Yevrah]

As are a much larger number of other countries also. But yes, pick one isolated example to make a great point.

You were even wanking yourself silly here over the idea of the power of the empire in the world if the herd thing worked.

What are you on about?

I was consistently clear about thinking we should have locked down, but appreciated that if our initial strategy was the right one (it wasn't, what a surprise) it would put us in a position of strength.

[Lewis]

Giggles' worldview is this (https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/648/166/b8c.png) but with him at the end of the line.

[Giggles]

That’s quite the little pile-on. Never like being called on it. I think that’s always been the ultimate problem for centuries really.

[Shindig]

https://www.covidlive.co.uk/

Local statistics for local people.

[Kikó]

Pretty certain one of my old friends dad has now died from Corona. Was in ICU for a few weeks. In his seventies.

[7om]

Lol at bad scientists. Get a fucking grip of yourselves.

[Yevrah]

Lol at bad scientists. Get a fucking grip of yourselves.

Silly me. I forgot that all scientists are unquestionably good. They practice THE SCIENCE, so they must be.

[7om]

They are unquestionably highly trained and experts in their field. Science isn't a black and white world like what you live in. There is interpretation to be made. Our "scientists" made decisions made on the best evidence available which they thought were best for us.

To simply label that as bad is ridiculous

[Shindig]

It's also very theoretical. There is no example you can point to that can fully map to this one. So they're gathering data and hypothesising on the fly.

[Yevrah]

They are unquestionably highly trained and experts in their field. Science isn't a black and white world like what you live in. There is interpretation to be made. Our "scientists" made decisions made on the best evidence available which they thought were best for us.

To simply label that as bad is ridiculous

But as has been covered in this thread before, if that's the view that's taken of the the decisions they made then they can never be seen as wrong. Which is a luxury I don't think is afforded to any other profession the world over.

[Foe]

Was there no a book series about bad science or something.

Horrible science. That was it. So much better than horrible history.

[Yevrah]

There is interpretation to be made. Our "scientists" made decisions made on the best evidence available which they thought were best for us.


And to hammer this home, this applies to everything. Everything. Except, and it's crucial difference, the people making other decisions don't get anywhere near this level of the benefit of the doubt.

[7om]

But as has been covered in this thread before, if that's the view that's taken of the the decisions they made then they can never be seen as wrong. Which is a luxury I don't think is afforded to any other profession the world over.

Most other professions don’t have to deal with an outbreak of a virus that has an unknown virulence, unknown disease course, unknown treatments. I don’t envy these people one iota because they are having to make enormous decisions with very little evidence to guide them. No matter what they do, it cannot be totally correct given the circumstances. While it is obviously not a case of “they can never be wrong”, they are working in unprecedented circumstances so I think they deserve a but of leeway.

[Yevrah]

Most other professions don’t have to deal with an outbreak of a virus that has an unknown virulence, unknown disease course, unknown treatments. I don’t envy these people one iota because they are having to make enormous decisions with very little evidence to guide them. No matter what they do, it cannot be totally correct given the circumstances. While it is obviously not a case of “they can never be wrong”, they are working in unprecedented circumstances so I think they deserve a but of leeway.

Why don't the government deserve this same leeway then? Everything you've said there applies to them too, yet people have no problem criticising them. But the scientists? God forbid.

[7om]

Why don't the government deserve this same leeway then? Everything you've said there applies to them too, yet people have no problem criticising them. But the scientists? God forbid.

I haven’t criticized the government once exactly because they are as much in the dark as “the scientists”. You’ll find it’s the usual complainers and moaners who are having a pop at the government at the moment, so that should tell you something.

[Spikey M]

I haven’t criticized the government once exactly because they are as much in the dark as “the scientists”. You’ll find it’s the usual complainers and moaners who are having a pop at the government at the moment, so that should tell you something.

10% of people that have died from this resided in the UK.

There 7.5 billion people in the world. 66.5 million in the UK. And yet 10% of those dead are from here. That's shit.

The Care Homes that are currently rife with this shit were told not to bother with PPE by 'the scientists'. That's shit.

We didn't lock down for weeks, despite seeing Italy desperately battle to control their situation. A situation that they had very little warning of. Instead, we went to watch the horse racing and the football. That's shit.

You can't just roll your eyes at this stuff and call people 'moaners'. Our response has been absolutely fucking awful. They weren't 'in the dark'. They had months and weeks of notice. From China to Italy.

[7om]

10% of people that have died from this resided in the UK.

There 7.5 billion people in the world. 66.5 million in the UK. And yet 10% of those dead are from here. That's shit.

The Care Homes that are currently rife with this shit were told not to bother with PPE by 'the scientists'. That's shit.

We didn't lock down for weeks, despite seeing Italy desperately battle to control their situation. A situation that they had very little warning of. Instead, we went to watch the horse racing and the football. That's shit.

You can't just roll your eyes at this stuff and call people 'moaners'. Our response has been absolutely fucking awful. They weren't 'in the dark'. They had months and weeks of notice. From China to Italy.

Nobody knows what the true figure is on deaths. That comes down to classification on the death certificate, unknown deaths in the community etc. I’m not saying we haven’t got a high death toll, just that we don’t know what that looks like in other countries. And this isn’t over yet, there are countries with far worse health systems than ours that will be absolutely ravaged by this. What our numbers look like at this minute is irrelevant.

As much as people like to call it shit, we were in the dark and continue to be in the dark right now. Just because you know about the virus that does not mean you know how to deal with it. What if Italy had a particularly super ‘super spreader’ that accounted for a vast number of cases, or what if they had a different strain to the one found in the UK? I could go on and on playing devils advocate and that is the point. When you’re so in the dark, how can you expect perfect decisions to be made? It’s unrealistic.

Our response to this has not been awful at all. It’s been guided by real-time collection of evidence while average Joe shits himself and demands answers and solutions. That is not easy.

[Bam]

10% of people that have died from this resided in the UK.

There 7.5 billion people in the world. 66.5 million in the UK. And yet 10% of those dead are from here. That's shit.



Stop putting percentages and use figures, you're being dramatic like the news.

[Yevrah]

Stop putting percentages and use figures, you're being dramatic like the news.

Because that was the problem with the bit you quoted....

Not that I disagree with Spikey in princple, our approach has been pretty shit.

[Yevrah]

And for the avoidance of doubt, 7om's posts typify the issue I have with the cult of science. It's fucking dangerous.

[Bam]

Because that was the problem with the bit you quoted....

Not that I disagree with Spikey in princple, our approach has been pretty shit.

No, but that comes under scaremongering and twisting things.

For what its worth my father in law is in a care home, yes its a worry but you have to stay positive. The guys an ex para so he's a strong old git.

[Yevrah]

No, but that comes under scaremongering and twisting things.

Using percentages twists things? You've lost me here Bam.

[7om]

How is recognition of the fact that science isn’t a catch all term that gives immediate answers to acute problems fucking dangerous? I think it’s equally baffling how little understanding people have of how hard this situation is. Do you know how long it takes to make a policy in clinical practice or to approve a drug? Years, generations. We’re literally fighting this virus on the fly. But by all means just label everything crap and wrong.

[Spikey M]

How is recognition of the fact that science isn’t a catch all term that gives immediate answers to acute problems fucking dangerous? I think it’s equally baffling how little understanding people have of how hard this situation is. Do you know how long it takes to make a policy in clinical practice or to approve a drug? Years, generations. We’re literally fighting this virus on the fly. But by all means just label everything crap and wrong.

I fear we are talking about different things?

The scientists in question are the ones that have - apparently - shaped our policy. The policies I outlined above. Sorry, but social distancing has been around since atleast the Spanish Flu. It should have been the go to.

I don't think anyone is having a pop at the scientific response with regards to treatment and the lack of effective drugs.

[Bam]

Using percentages twists things? You've lost me here Bam.

10% of people that have died from this resided in the UK.

Or 24k from 65m have died from this in the UK.

[Spikey M]

10% of people that have died from this resided in the UK.

Or 24k from 65m have died from this in the UK.

Which, if you do the same for other countries, is still high. Considering ~5% of our population have had it so far.

[Boydy]

I'd be willing to bet a decent chunk of money that this contact tracing app they're launching will be a shitshow.

[niko_cee]

And/or probably be used to track people and infringe their privacy forever.

[Bam]

Which, if you do the same for other countries, is still high. Considering ~5% of our population have had it so far.

Not that high really though. The UK's death rate is down by 30% from last year.

[Spikey M]

Not that high really though. The UK's death rate is down by 30% from last year.

Ok boomer

[Bam]

I'd be willing to bet a decent chunk of money that this contact tracing app they're launching will be a shitshow.

It'll only work for the people who download it and register to it. More knowing what you're doing stuff.

[7om]

I fear we are talking about different things?

The scientists in question are the ones that have - apparently - shaped our policy. The policies I outlined above. Sorry, but social distancing has been around since atleast the Spanish Flu. It should have been the go to.

I don't think anyone is having a pop at the scientific response with regards to treatment and the lack of effective drugs.

I think we are talking about the same thing. I’m tying to demonstrate that science isn’t some term you can use that gives you all the answers straight away and every decision is therefore correct. There are going to be mistakes, miscalculations etc because that is the very nature of what science is. Experimentation.

[Yevrah]

How is recognition of the fact that science isn’t a catch all term that gives immediate answers to acute problems fucking dangerous? I think it’s equally baffling how little understanding people have of how hard this situation is. Do you know how long it takes to make a policy in clinical practice or to approve a drug? Years, generations. We’re literally fighting this virus on the fly. But by all means just label everything crap and wrong.

It's fucking dangerous to blindly support what our scientists do just because they're scientists.

I appreciate it's a fucking difficult situation, but here are some things that are not difficult that the government and our scientists fucked up.

Letting the Liverpool match, Cheltenham and various concerts go ahead
The shambles at our airports - The WHO have a lot to answer for on this one admittedly
The wasted time fucking around with herd immunity before the lockdown
Pissing about with a faux lockdown for a week
Closing pubs on Saturday, but telling people on Friday afternoon that they'd close and asking them nicely not to go
Face masks - it doesn't matter if the science isn't 100% on this one. Just fucking recommend use of the fuckers. Asia have been fending off pandemics for years now and they're all over them. A lot of Europe are now following suit, but we're still banging out about the science not being clear.
Being slippery as fuck at best, and downright manipulative with the numbers at worst - And on the back of that claiming our preparedness was exemplar

Just a few things, off the top of my head, that absolutely deserve criticism.

As for the drugs not being ready, I've not criticised that once. I appreciate that stuff takes a huge amount of time and get genuinely annoyed when morons claim we'll have a vaccine by September.

[Yevrah]

10% of people that have died from this resided in the UK.

Or 24k from 65m have died from this in the UK.

Whichever numbers you use, our performance does not look good.

[Spikey M]

I think we are talking about the same thing. I’m tying to demonstrate that science isn’t some term you can use that gives you all the answers straight away and every decision is therefore correct. There are going to be mistakes, miscalculations etc because that is the very nature of what science is. Experimentation.

There are times to experiment. With a novel virus, that has already killed en masse and that comes from the same family as SARS and MERS is not that time.

[Bam]

Whichever numbers you use, our performance does not look good.

Hardly the Spanish flu is it. Which we was all told to believe at the start.

How do you think this will effect the Economy?

[7om]

I can't be arsed to trundle through every point bring made, but the face masks is a good one. What are the scientists supposed to do there? Recommend them? How do you think you arrive at recommendations? Via evidence. If the evidence is unclear or doesn't support the use of them, why would they be recommended?

And I don't give a fuck what the precedent is in Asia. These are the people who use acupuncture, traditional medicine and witchcraft to treat disease, so I think I'll refrain from following their practices until theyre proven effective.

But that's my point. It may look slow or dithering or incompetent but the reality is certain measures have or haven't been recommended because of the evidence behind them. At the minute, the amount of concrete evidence supporting anything is minimal.

[Yevrah]

Hardly the Spanish flu is it. Which we was all told to believe at the start.

How do you think this will effect the Economy?

It isn't the Spanish Flu yet because the world's locked down.

And it's going to fuck it, fuck it badly. For years.

[Yevrah]

I can't be arsed to trundle through every point bring made, but the face masks is a good one. What are the scientists supposed to do there? Recommend them? How do you think you arrive at recommendations? Via evidence. If the evidence is unclear or doesn't support the use of them, why would they be recommended?

And I don't give a fuck what the precedent is in Asia. These are the people who use acupuncture, traditional medicine and witchcraft to treat disease, so I think I'll refrain from following their practices until theyre proven effective.

But that's my point. It may look slow or dithering or incompetent but the reality is certain measures have or haven't been recommended because of the evidence behind them. At the minute, the amount of concrete evidence supporting anything is minimal.

And that's my point. Why would you wait until you have concrete evidence, most of the rest of the world is now using them and it stands to reason that they would be of some benefit. Hell, I think the have even said that they help prevent people who have it to stop spreading it as much and we're still dithering, until THE SCIENCE proves it conclusively.

It's just poor. As were the other things on the list.

[Bam]

It isn't the Spanish Flu yet because the world's locked down.

And it's going to fuck it, fuck it badly. For years.


It's not because its not a complete killer. That's why everyone needs to get back to work, fuck this bollocks.

Respect it but don't be an idiot about it

[Yevrah]

It's not because its not a complete killer. That's why everyone needs to get back to work, fuck this bollocks.

Respect it but don't be an idiot about it

Nobody ever said it was a complete killer. And neither was the Spanish Flu.

If normal life resumes and stays resumed a fuckton more people will die, which will make the 28,000 recorded so far look like a stubbed toe.

[Boydy]

7om where are you living these days? I assume you're not in China any more?

[7om]

7om where are you living these days? I assume you're not in China any more?

I'm in Exeter now.

[Lewis]

How many masks have you gone through Yevrah?

[Yevrah]

How many masks have you gone through Yevrah?

None.

Your point, please?

[7om]

And that's my point. Why would you wait until you have concrete evidence, most of the rest of the world is now using them and it stands to reason that they would be of some benefit. Hell, I think the have even said that they help prevent people who have it to stop spreading it as much and we're still dithering, until THE SCIENCE proves it conclusively.

It's just poor. As were the other things on the list.

Because if you don't have evidence you end up talking shit like Trump. How about we all go on a diet of vitamin d pills and only wank once a week? No, because there's no evidence supporting that either.

It's not dithering, it's making decisions that are best for people based on the information available.

I think we're going around in circles now though.

[Lewis]

So you bought enough food to ride out the end of the world but haven't bothered with masks? Asia have been fending off pandemics for years now and they're all over them.

[Bam]

Nobody ever said it was a complete killer. And neither was the Spanish Flu.

You shit the pants early doors ffs.

[Yevrah]

You shit the pants early doors ffs.

I mean, I didn't, but you keep telling yourself that.

I just took a pandemic seriously.

[Yevrah]

So you bought enough food to ride out the end of the world but haven't bothered with masks? Asia have been fending off pandemics for years now and they're all over them.

I've been out three times since the week before lockdown started, to the shop down the road and back.

And I bought enough food for about 2 weeks.

[Bam]

So you bought enough food to ride out the end of the world but haven't bothered with masks? Asia have been fending off pandemics for years now and they're all over them.


He has probably thrown most f that food away now.

[Bam]

I've been out three times since the week before lockdown started, to the shop down the road and back.

And I bought enough food for about 2 weeks.

Well done. :rolleyes:

[Yevrah]

Well done. :rolleyes:

Are you incapable of reading and understanding context?

[Bam]

Yes, you're the prick that has hidden under his poxy bed. Grow the fuck up, you must be near 40 now.

Manchild.

[Lewis]

Three trips, three masks. Why take the risk?

My guess would be that in ninety per cent of environments/situations masks will make no difference, so, on balance, accounting for things like people already not liking half of these measures and the tendency of idiots to panic hoard all manner of shite, they decided that recommending masks would just be a waste of time and also a severe misallocation of resources.

'BREAKING: Pointless government mask recommendations have exacerbated NHS PPE crisis, wise-after-the-event cunts claim.'

[Yevrah]

Yes, you're the prick that has hidden under his poxy bed. Grow the fuck up, you must be near 40 now.

Manchild.

By hid under his bed do you mean stayed indoors? What would a real man have done? Died like your father in law is probably about to while his thick as fuck son in law thinks he'll be fine because he served in the para's?

[Bam]

By hid under his bed do you mean stayed indoors? What would a real man have done? Died like your father in law is probably about to while his thick as fuck son in law thinks he'll be fine because he served in the para's?

You are some sort of cunt, different league sort of stuff this. Go back to your bed wetting. wanker.

[Lewis]

Is that short for Paralympics?

[Yevrah]

Three trips, three masks. Why take the risk?

My guess would be that in ninety per cent of environments/situations masks will make no difference, so, on balance, accounting for things like people already not liking half of these measures and the tendency of idiots to panic hoard all manner of shite, they decided that recommending masks would just be a waste of time and also a severe misallocation of resources.

'BREAKING: Pointless government mask recommendations have exacerbated NHS PPE crisis, wise-after-the-event cunts claim.'

Yeah, they need to manage it properly. But other countries seem to be doing this fine, so I don't know why we're immune.

And I absolutely think part of it is down to them not wanting to take resources away from the NHS, but just say that rather than coming up with some bullshit about them not being effective because people put their hands under them.

[Bam]

Bye, unlike you I have work tomorrow.

Carry on with your 2.5k a month.

[Yevrah]

You are some sort of cunt, different league sort of stuff this. Go back to your bed wetting. wanker.

Oh, so you expect to dish it out with impunity and then can't take it when someone responds in a similar way.

Actions of a real man that, I'm sure.

[Yevrah]

Bye, unlike you I have work tomorrow.

Carry on with your 2.5k a month.

I've been working the entire time.

For someone who seems to stalk me on here you should probably learn to read. It might give you a chance of not looking like a complete twat.

[Boydy]

This page. :D

[Boydy]

I'm in Exeter now.
Still married?

I only ask because this reads a bit 'went through a bitter divorce':



And I don't give a fuck what the precedent is in Asia. These are the people who use acupuncture, traditional medicine and witchcraft to treat disease, so I think I'll refrain from following their practices until theyre proven effective.

[Lewis]

:lol:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

This page :rosebud:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'm hoping Bam will glass Corona.

[Yevrah]

"If you stay indoors, the virus wins"

[Don]

I nominate Bam (first nomination).

I like the causing commotion and seeing how the dust settles act as much as the next man but this is suspicious.

[Queenslander]

Welcome to the Federation.


They are expected to discuss a mooted "trans-tasman bubble" that would allow Kiwis and Australians to freely travel between countries.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/politics/federal/jacinda-ardern-to-join-australian-national-cabinet-on-tuesday-20200504-p54pkt.html

[Spikey M]

You are some sort of cunt, different league sort of stuff this. Go back to your bed wetting. wanker.

You can't have it both ways Bam.

[John]

Bam is amazing. Every time you think he has to have said the most stupid thing he'll ever say, he does something like announce someone will be safe from a deadly virus because they used to be in the army.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Page 153 made my porridge so much more enjoyable.

[Giggles]

It'll only work for the people who download it and register to it. More knowing what you're doing stuff.

I don' think it's going to be like that at all, ours isn't anyway. I'll just know people you're in close proximity to but it won't even know the location.

[Shindig]

I'm glad I woke up to this. :D

[Giggles]

How many masks have you gone through Yevrah?

I couldn't keep up to masks and they're a cunt to get so I made myself 4 washable ones instead.

Gloves on the other hand are very low at the moment.

[7om]

Still married?

I only ask because this reads a bit 'went through a bitter divorce':

Haha no, still married.

[Magic]

Haha no, still married.

Absence of 'happily', noted.

[Kikó]

bye, unlike you i have work tomorrow.

Carry on with your 2.5k a month.

what a fucking hero you are mate.

[hfswjyr]

For what it's worth from an outsiders perspective, the opinions that I've read from here generally lean towards the thinking that both the US and UK have mishandled this thing. There is a large UK expat population here, most of whom have been worried about their families on that side of the world.

I can only speak to my experience, but we closed the borders 19th March, and have been in lock down since 23rd March. Presumably made those decisions based on all the same information that the rest of the world had. Today was the first day we had zero new reported cases. So it has taken 43 days of lock-down and 47 days of border closure for us to (hopefully) stomp this thing out. A decision hasn't been announced yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if we go back to a "new-normal" next week.

The idea is that we stomp the virus out in full before we get to normal life, so we can avoid any potential second wave. This will mean the borders will remain shut, other than a potential "tran-Tasman" bubble with Australia, pending both countries successfully beating the virus.

[Don]

Is getting rid of it in full an actual realistic target though? Sounds unlikely unless people are willing to live in full lockdown for the best part of 18 months. In conclusion, given NHS capacity wasn't breached, UK are fine in their approach and outcomes.

[Jimmy Floyd]

For what it's worth from an outsiders perspective, the opinions that I've read from here generally lean towards the thinking that both the US and UK have mishandled this thing. There is a large UK expat population here, most of whom have been worried about their families on that side of the world.

I can only speak to my experience, but we closed the borders 19th March, and have been in lock down since 23rd March. Presumably made those decisions based on all the same information that the rest of the world had. Today was the first day we had zero new reported cases. So it has taken 43 days of lock-down and 47 days of border closure for us to (hopefully) stomp this thing out. A decision hasn't been announced yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if we go back to a "new-normal" next week.

The idea is that we stomp the virus out in full before we get to normal life, so we can avoid any potential second wave. This will mean the borders will remain shut, other than a potential "tran-Tasman" bubble with Australia, pending both countries successfully beating the virus.

We also locked down on 23 March, so we can conclude two things:

a) we had it earlier and in larger quantities than NZ;
b) it spreads a hell of a lot easier with 65 million people on an island than with 5 million people on two islands.

That said, I'm not convinced you can actually stamp this out unless you want to adopt something akin to the isolationist policies of early Imperial Japan, or become a larger version of North Sentinel Island.

[Yevrah]

Comparisons with us and New Zealand aren't fair, for the reasons Jim's mentioned.

In theory we could have eradicated it had we locked down earlier and actually closed borders, but whether that would actually ever work in practice, I'm not sure.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Everyone is still giving Ms Ardern the swollen dick treatment nonetheless. I can't think of an easier world leader job than being PM of New Zealand. Maybe PM of Norway marginally easier as they also have oil bounty as well as everything else.

[Lofty]

Virus arguments :D

I still reckon it's herd immunity with a wig on and they'll blame the public for causing it to spiral when the dust settles.

[hfswjyr]

Everyone is still giving Ms Ardern the swollen dick treatment nonetheless. I can't think of an easier world leader job than being PM of New Zealand. Maybe PM of Norway marginally easier as they also have oil bounty as well as everything else.

I think most people would struggle to find criticisms to the governments policies around the virus to date. The current opposition leader is currently giving it a good go by opposing everything the governments doing. He's not winning many friends at the moment. At this rate the current government is going to stroll to victory in the upcoming September elections. With how popular she is at the moment, the only serious concern is if Ardern eventually gets tired of the job and chucks it all in.

[ScousePig]

There are growing thoughts that the update on Thursday/Sunday could see schools return in some capacity at the start of June. The reaction will be mixed, to say the least.

[AyDee]

Broad question but what would people recommend as the best books to read on [mostly UK] politics? Apart from Lewis' book, of course.

[niko_cee]

Don't worry, I'm sure they'll arrange a weekly round of applause for you all.

[ScousePig]

We've had ours, mate. Where were you?

[Baz]

Social distancing is done then, I guess? Cos it’s nigh on impossible to stay 2m apart in schools, even if they just let one year-group back.

And there’s zero point in half-arsing it; you either do it all the time or not bother.

[Jimmy Floyd]

We will all give up on social distancing after a while, because it's just not viable for the continuation of human society.

[ScousePig]

Social distancing is done then, I guess? Cos it’s nigh on impossible to stay 2m apart in schools, even if they just let one year-group back.

And there’s zero point in half-arsing it; you either do it all the time or not bother.

Plenty of schools already have the equivalent of one or two classes in school. Social distancing is at a premium; you can get the kids to sit down and line up far enough apart, but apart from that...

[Magic]

We will all give up on social distancing after a while, because it's just not viable for the continuation of human society.

Bar Asia.

[Waffdon]

Less than 100 in ICU in Scotland and 4 (?) deaths in the last 24 hours reported. Scottish schools won’t open from June either.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Nor will ours, it's just kite-flying, which is the only way government policy is being conducted at the moment.

[Yevrah]

Nor will ours, it's just kite-flying, which is the only way government policy is being conducted at the moment.

You can add that to the list of things handled poorly too.

[Waffdon]

I know a few nurses who are saying their work load has never been easier. Everybody not bothering going to hospital through fear I guess.

[Magic]

Big announcement tonight lads.

[Boydy]

Big announcement tonight lads.

Is there?

[Disco]

Is there?

He's set a date for Peg-athon 2020.

[Boydy]

I thought that had already happened.

[Yevrah]

Why is a draft report that's been leaked being commented upon as if it were a final copy?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52533375

What in the fuck are the BBC doing?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I have some sympathy for the TUC (unusually) but I am also growing tired of people talking about 'the economy' as if it's some cabal of distant industrialists wanking each other off in a penthouse jaccuzzi, and can be put off until the virus is dead and buried. Without 'the economy', children will starve to death, theirs first.

[Mike]

Plenty of schools already have the equivalent of one or two classes in school. Social distancing is at a premium; you can get the kids to sit down and line up far enough apart, but apart from that...
Word in work last week was it would be Y6 back in for us. Then the rest would be as it is now.

[Lewis]

Our office is ideal for distancing, but we're still getting a few people refusing to come back 'until it's completely safe'. I think that could become an issue, and it's hard to see a way round it other than letting you sack them.

[Raoul Duke]

We also locked down on 23 March, so we can conclude two things:

a) we had it earlier and in larger quantities than NZ;
b) it spreads a hell of a lot easier with 65 million people on an island than with 5 million people on two islands.

That said, I'm not convinced you can actually stamp this out unless you want to adopt something akin to the isolationist policies of early Imperial Japan, or become a larger version of North Sentinel Island.

The thing people keep overlooking for this is the amount of potential infection starting vectors - simply, that Chinese people (pre-testing, and asymptomatic carriers of the virus) go to France/Spain/Italy/UK/US loads more than other places, hence why those places got mauled more. Far fewer go on holiday to Germany, so the initial infection starting point is lower.

[Boydy]

Remember when farmers were banging on the other week about needing to import workers from eastern Europe to pick fruit and veg or we'd end up with fields of it rotting?

Can't we send all the teens who aren't at school off to do it?

I wouldn't have minded that at that age. Would've been better than shitty customer service jobs and having to deal with the public.

[Raoul Duke]

Sending off a bunch of teenagers to some fruit-picking gulag? Can't believe GS has hacked your account.

[Boydy]

They're off anyway, plenty of them would probably like a summer job for money, they're at lesser risk and social distancing can probably be observed fine in a field and we don't have to bring people into the country to possibly spread the virus more.

I don't see any downsides.

[Yevrah]

How young are you talking Boyd? My nephew and niece are 10 and 8 respectively and have a fair bit of free time on their hands.

[Boydy]

Not that young, that's a bit harsh.

Like 14 and up. 14 and 15 year olds could do two or three days a week and 16+ could do a full week if they wanted.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Our office is ideal for distancing, but we're still getting a few people refusing to come back 'until it's completely safe'. I think that could become an issue, and it's hard to see a way round it other than letting you sack them.

Can see that being a problem in the public sector where everyone ninnies about to begin with and it's impossible to sack anyone, but in the private sector no one will do that if they're thinking straight, better to have a job than not.

[SvN]

It will be the furlough dickheads who are being paid to do fuck all who complain the loudest.

[Spikey M]

I'm not sure child slave labour is the answer. There's enough adults that have done fuck all but sit at home on benefits foremost of their lives. They can earn their keep.

[Kikó]

Fruit picking, I've heard, is a young persons game and brutally challenging.

[Spoonsky]

Remember when farmers were banging on the other week about needing to import workers from eastern Europe to pick fruit and veg or we'd end up with fields of it rotting?

Can't we send all the teens who aren't at school off to do it?

I wouldn't have minded that at that age. Would've been better than shitty customer service jobs and having to deal with the public.

Quebec is offering $100 a week bonus for any new farm workers signing up for the summer. I'd be all over that if I qualified. I think here in Utah it's still Jose or bust.

[phonics]

So the FT have added comparisons to their tool so I thought I'd do a couple between my two homes.

Couple of notes. Swiss started precautions about 10-14 days before the UK including shutting down the airports and borders. Swiss testing has been nearly 3x the UK per 1000 before the recent scale up. Swiss population is older but also wealthier. I did logarithmic because I'm not very smart and don't know whether that or linear is more useful, logarithmic just sounds smarter.

https://i.imgur.com/YKaly12.png
https://i.imgur.com/mBYR6SD.png

[ScousePig]

Word in work last week was it would be Y6 back in for us. Then the rest would be as it is now.

That's what we've been discussing today. I just don't know how they would manage it. We're a one form entry school (and I'm the Year Six teacher). I proposed that if all 30 of the class are in all day together, we could split them into two or three classes. Plus we already have two small classes for the key workers. Four or five classes for around 45 children could be manageable, but you'd need a fair number of both teaching staff and support for that (around ten). One office worker, one SLT, four teachers, at least a couple of support, dinner lady and lunch time supervisor.

[Spoonsky]

Is the idea that the kids are supposed to keep the two meters distance within the school?

If fully grown adults can't manage it I don't see how kids will.

[SvN]

I can see how it might be easier in primary schools - don't kids basically stay with the same teacher all day anyway?

In secondary schools, I really can't see how it's possible, with teachers and kids constantly moving between classrooms.

[Boydy]

Yeah at my secondary school, I doubt the corridors were even two metres wide.

[Mike]

I can see how it might be easier in primary schools - don't kids basically stay with the same teacher all day anyway?

In secondary schools, I really can't see how it's possible, with teachers and kids constantly moving between classrooms.
In a class, as long as the numbers are low it’s fine. Keeping them apart at playtime is much harder, and the younger down the school you go the less they understand about staying apart, like we had reception and nursery children in last week who did zero social distancing and no amount of telling them or explaining helped. Same for the SEN children we’ve had, one greets everyone with a hug when she arrives.

[ScousePig]

Is the idea that the kids are supposed to keep the two meters distance within the school?

If fully grown adults can't manage it I don't see how kids will.

Yeah. It's manageable to an extent in formal situations: lining up, sitting at desks etc. However anything less formal such as play times, PE, basically anything that requires them getting out of their seat, and it's out the window.

[Yevrah]

I can't see how it's manageable at all. Surely it'll be fucked as soon as they congregate in the playground to go in. And again as they make their way to their classrooms.

That can't really be the plan, surely.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'm not sure child slave labour is the answer. There's enough adults that have done fuck all but sit at home on benefits foremost of their lives. They can earn their keep.

That feels like a personal attack against me.

Wolf.

[Boydy]

Something probably does need to be done to stop overcrowding on public transport but this (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/may/04/cost-of-public-transport-should-be-raised-as-lockdown-ends-ifs) seems like a terrible idea.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Get the riff raff off public transport, now that's a proper Tory policy. I'd like to stop them having gardens too but baby steps.

[Shindig]

Well, if more companies switch towards flexible hours, the idea of peak times will be somewhat changed. I've been thinking that the office as we know it is pretty much done. And the waiting room.

[Spikey M]

Keep the Public off Public Transport.

[Boydy]

The BBC news just described Italy as "Europe's worst hit country". Is it any more? Is it not the UK now?

[Jimmy Floyd]

It is Italy. They have the same issues with under-counting deaths that we do.

In fact in relative terms the worst hit country is almost certainly Belgium.

[Lewis]

Can see that being a problem in the public sector where everyone ninnies about to begin with and it's impossible to sack anyone, but in the private sector no one will do that if they're thinking straight, better to have a job than not.


It will be the furlough dickheads who are being paid to do fuck all who complain the loudest.

This is another thing that came up. They are talking about alternate days in and out to space people out, which seems unnecessary but whatever, but also gradually easing people back in with five, six, seven hour days. What? We're not coming out of actual hospital.

[Shindig]

We managed alright out of it. We went through stages with it:

1. "Hey, if you're uncomfortable or at risk, stay at home."
2. "We've set up a rota for a skeleton crew. One week in five."
3. "We're allowing people to work from home."
4. "There's enough people working from home so the remaining guys in the office can distance themselves."

It helps that we have a lot of people on different working patterns, flexi-time, etc. It also helps when you've got long-term sick and retirees as well. The office was already half-full when this hit.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Just when I thought this wasn't going to get any worse, I've seen quite a of lot twitter buzz today for Captain Tom Moore to win Sports Personality of the Year.

[Shindig]

Give him the Unsung Hero award to piss off Joe Wicks.

[Lofty]

Something probably does need to be done to stop overcrowding on public transport but this (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/may/04/cost-of-public-transport-should-be-raised-as-lockdown-ends-ifs) seems like a terrible idea.

Yes no-one ever fare evades :D

[Giggles]

Remember when farmers were banging on the other week about needing to import workers from eastern Europe to pick fruit and veg or we'd end up with fields of it rotting?

Can't we send all the teens who aren't at school off to do it?

I wouldn't have minded that at that age. Would've been better than shitty customer service jobs and having to deal with the public.

We had some shit show here with the main strawberry crowd flying plane loads of untested Bulgarians in to do it. Just google Keelings.

[Disco]

Can we keep a log of things that are 'on the way out' due to this, just so we can lol when almost everything goes back to the way it was.

[Lewis]

You're not meant to go around using your rank if you're below a major (or equivalent), so Tom Moore wants telling.

[Spikey M]

Our local news are doing their bit by reminding the people of the Isle of Wight to download the app. I'm sure they regularly tune in to Look East.

[Giggles]

Can we keep a log of things that are 'on the way out' due to this, just so we can lol when almost everything goes back to the way it was.

LIFE is on the way out [/YEV]

[Disco]

Have the 2m volunteers actually had to do anything yet or are they still fannying about trying to organise it?

[Giggles]

This is what our pubs (the VFI) have put forward for them to be allowed open. Sounds like not worth the hassle over drinking at home with friends unless you really want draught.


These are the measures the Bar Trade wish to discuss with government;

Proposed measures:

-Bars will become dispense bars only with no sitting, standing, ordering, payment or drinking at the bar allowed.

-Table service will be a requirement with pubs only serving customers seated at tables.

-The numbers on the premises would be confined to no more than four per every 10 square metres.

-A maximum of 6 people would be permitted at any one table.

-Customers will be required to use hand sanitiser upon entry.

-All customers must remain seated.

-Staff will be fully trained in the new procedures.

-They will also be asked to maintain a safe distance from customers when taking orders and to wash their hands thoroughly every 30 minutes.

-The utilisation of outdoor spaces to enhance social distancing.

-Procedures implemented to ensure safe use of toilet facilities, which may include limits on the numbers using toilets at any one time.

-No live music or DJs.

-Gardaí / HSE will have the power to close any business who is flouting the public health guidelines.

[ScousePig]

I can't see how it's manageable at all. Surely it'll be fucked as soon as they congregate in the playground to go in. And again as they make their way to their classrooms.

That can't really be the plan, surely.

Staggered play times, social distancing lining up and then wash your hands etc when you're back in class. That's basically how things are working now with the key worker children in.

I've no idea what the plan is.

[Spikey M]

This change to working hours is an nice way to sneak in the normalisation of weekend working.

[Disco]

Is it fuck, I went back to the office today and I was delighted to discover that Friday is a Bank Holiday. :drool:

[niko_cee]

This is what our pubs (the VFI) have put forward for them to be allowed open. Sounds like not worth the hassle over drinking at home with friends unless you really want draught.


These are the measures the Bar Trade wish to discuss with government;

Proposed measures:

-Bars will become dispense bars only with no sitting, standing, ordering, payment or drinking at the bar allowed.

-Table service will be a requirement with pubs only serving customers seated at tables.

-The numbers on the premises would be confined to no more than four per every 10 square metres.

-A maximum of 6 people would be permitted at any one table.

-Customers will be required to use hand sanitiser upon entry.

-All customers must remain seated.

-Staff will be fully trained in the new procedures.

-They will also be asked to maintain a safe distance from customers when taking orders and to wash their hands thoroughly every 30 minutes.

-The utilisation of outdoor spaces to enhance social distancing.

-Procedures implemented to ensure safe use of toilet facilities, which may include limits on the numbers using toilets at any one time.

-No live music or DJs.

-Gardaí / HSE will have the power to close any business who is flouting the public health guidelines.

Aye, they were going over something like this on the coronaviruscast or whatever it is called and it just struck me that what would be the point of 'going to a pub' if you weren't really allowed near anyone and very few other people were allowed in?

[Boydy]

And you might well not get in anyway if it's already at its (much-reduced) capacity.

Fuck that.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Day 54 and I can confirm I would queue outside a pub and wear sanitary socks if it meant having a pint and seeing even one mate.

[Giggles]

They’ll make fuck all if it’s like that so I really can’t see the point.

[Giggles]

Day 54 and I can confirm I would queue outside a pub and wear sanitary socks if it meant having a pint and seeing even one mate.

Would having them round not come sooner than going to pub with them though?

[SvN]

They’ll make fuck all if it’s like that so I really can’t see the point.

They can probably increase prices significantly and get away with it.

[Giggles]

They can probably increase prices significantly and get away with it.

They won’t make a penny past week one then anyway. There’s such a difference between home drink price and pub drink price already but the atmosphere just made up for that. Widen the price difference and remove the atmosphere and it’s dead.

[Shindig]

BYOB (but just the one). Pubs without the social element just can't function.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Would having them round not come sooner than going to pub with them though?

Yep, but none of the above are on the horizon so I'm just dreaming. Dream with me.

[Giggles]

Yep, but none of the above are on the horizon so I'm just dreaming. Dream with me.

Having them round will come a whole lot sooner than meeting them down the pub.

[Lewis]

You're not meant to go around using your rank if you're below a major (or equivalent), so Tom Moore wants telling.

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Probably worth it for that joke.

[Don]

There was some Guardian report on polling showing people have given in to the fear and will be averse to going back to normal regardless of the rules. Be interesting to see the full economic car crash of that once the furloughing and reliefs stop but businesses struggle to bring in the punters :drool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Health before the economy, thanks. I want to live in a safety bubble and eat air for the rest of my life. And my non-existent children will be going back to school when I think it's safe, and not a moment before, even if it means they are educationally stunted for life.

[Yevrah]

LIFE is on the way out [/YEV]

You're obsessed. Do you and Bamster share PM's about me?

Nothing is on the way out. Life will go back to normal and we'll do all the same shit we did before. It'll just take some time.

[ScousePig]

Bamster doesn't have time for PMs anymore, he has to go to work don't you know.

[Queenslander]

I wouldnt be super keen opening the borders to us if I were Kiwi. NSW and Victoria are still posting concerning numbers. Direct flights to South Australia, Western Australia, Tasmania and Queensland would be a good start with the state borders still closed.

[Giggles]

You're obsessed. Do you and Bamster share PM's about me?

Nothing is on the way out. Life will go back to normal and we'll do all the same shit we did before. It'll just take some time.

Ah I’m only joking. You used to go through phases where every post on this read like the headline and first paragraph of a Daily Mail story. You’ve flattened the curve though.

[John Arne]

For anyone wondering what life is like post-lockdown.... normality has resumed depressingly quickly.
Nothing has changed, people still drive like cunts, it's still hard getting up a 6:30 every morning, the traffic and pollution has returned. The high from the freedom, for me, lasted about 3 days.

[Yevrah]

Ah I’m only joking. You used to go through phases where every post on this read like the headline and first paragraph of a Daily Mail story. You’ve flattened the curve though.

I can be a bit hyperbolic admittedly, but I've been broadly right about this all along, with another example on this page:



Nothing is on the way out. Life will go back to normal and we'll do all the same shit we did before. It'll just take some time.


For anyone wondering what life is like post-lockdown.... normality has resumed depressingly quickly.
Nothing has changed, people still drive like cunts, it's still hard getting up a 6:30 every morning, the traffic and pollution has returned. The high from the freedom, for me, lasted about 3 days.

And by time, I meant time for us to get almost fully out of lockdown and social distancing like Vietnam are.

[Kikó]

Such a shame re: Vietnam. I see this as an opportunity to change the way we are (why do we want to live in air polluted cities ffs?)

It takes bold governmental moves though and most of them aren't imaginative enough.