Coronavirus Death Thread

[Adramelch]

I do use one in public transport (it's obligatory here) and when I go to the store but that's about it. There's A LOT of people wearing masks while out running and biking and it really makes me wonder whether that's more dangerous than actually contracting covid in those settings.

They are not mandatory in stores, but stores do have the right to not let you in if you're not wearing one. Generally I'd say a big fraction of the people are wearing them.

The surgical ones are 60 cents a piece in the big stores and there's seemingly plenty of supply. The metro also supplies you with one if you have a weekly/monthly metro card.

[-james-]

I was walking along a footpath earlier. Wasn't that narrow, 2m very feasible. A woman was walking towards me and as she was approaching she turned sideways (facing out) and crab walked it past me. I can't stop thinking about it.

[Shindig]

I was out walking the other day and those narrow river paths completely ruin you when a lass with a pram is coming the other way. You're surrounded by railings too because they can't trust pissed students not to walk into the river.

[phonics]

I wear a mask but only when I’m taking public transport. It’s dumb, inconsistent and probably pointless but it makes me feel better.

[Josh]

Every shop here has 'no mask, no service' so you have to wear one to buy anything. Also wear them in our building so it makes other people feel better. But in the park and generally outdoors I don't bother but do have one with me at all times in case I want to pop in anywhere.

There are so many self righteous dickheads here though that think people fucking cycling without masks are killing everybody. Idiots.

[mugbull]

I was walking along a footpath earlier. Wasn't that narrow, 2m very feasible. A woman was walking towards me and as she was approaching she turned sideways (facing out) and crab walked it past me. I can't stop thinking about it.

:happycry:

I love it

[Jimmy Floyd]

If you think it's necessary to wear a mask now, then we should probably all wear masks all the time. Stops germs spreading, right?

Or you could just get on with life.

[Giggles]

If you think it's necessary to wear a mask now, then we should probably all wear masks all the time. Stops germs spreading, right?

Or you could just get on with life.

That’s a very odd statement.

[Spoonsky]

I never thought I’d see the day when Giggles is by far the most sensible poster on an issue.

Like where has Jimmy’s mind gone with that last statement

[Queenslander]

I havent worn a mask and Im in the majority down here. The National Chief Medical Officer told us that they are for front line workers.

[Don]

Masks? Lads, it's over, close the thread.

[Boydy]

I'd say mandatory in enclosed spaces like public transport. Problem with that is you invariably have to remove them to eat and drink.


I do use one in public transport (it's obligatory here) and when I go to the store but that's about it. There's A LOT of people wearing masks while out running and biking and it really makes me wonder whether that's more dangerous than actually contracting covid in those settings.

They are not mandatory in stores, but stores do have the right to not let you in if you're not wearing one. Generally I'd say a big fraction of the people are wearing them.

The surgical ones are 60 cents a piece in the big stores and there's seemingly plenty of supply. The metro also supplies you with one if you have a weekly/monthly metro card.
Yeah, to be fair when I said mandatory, I meant in shops and on public transport and the like. I don't think people should have to wear them outside.


I was walking along a footpath earlier. Wasn't that narrow, 2m very feasible. A woman was walking towards me and as she was approaching she turned sideways (facing out) and crab walked it past me. I can't stop thinking about it.
:D

[Giggles]

Taz is still like a toddler hopping up and down when the adults won’t look at them.

[Queenslander]

https://i.ibb.co/cY7h3ct/FB-IMG-1590213919731.jpg (https://ibb.co/tLWpKMc)

[niko_cee]

Seems fairly specific. How many people live in 'Regional WA'? About 8?

[Spikey M]

And 4 million camels.

[Queenslander]

You are both correct!

[Lofty]

Cummings the latest one to break the rules I see.

[Jimmy Floyd]

At first I thought he was a mong, but now I think he's 9D chessing twitter again and it's a marvellous sight to behold.

[niko_cee]

Isn't the problem with the cover story that if you're so unwell that you can't look after your kids how do you drive from London to Durham?

[Yevrah]

The problem with the cover story is can we please have some fucking focus on sorting this cunting virus out.

[mo]

Right, Jimmy’s said his piece, just need Lewis to come and lick Cummings’ boots and we’ll have status quo.

[Don]

You want to settle down, Giggles, and I ain't talking about wife and kids.

[Revolution]

I'm about three days away from going put and licking bus stops in the hope I get the virus and get sick enough to go to hospital to get away from the wife.

Open up beer gardens you cunts.

[Raoul Duke]

That science guy got binned for going off and drilling his bit on the side, so I don't see why knobhead Cummings shouldn't either. This is exactly the sort of shit that makes the general public ignore the messaging (even more).

[Spikey M]

Lol and Laura Kuenssberg doing her best to stand up for him. So impartial.

[Giggles]

You want to settle down, Giggles, and I ain't talking about wife and kids.

Say some more edgy things.

[Lewis]

It seems that you are allowed to do what he did, which is presumably why people are making it about the distance involved rather than the actual purpose, and why the usual spastics see an absence of reporting agendas as proof of one when certain journalists do it.

[Boydy]

Right, Jimmy’s said his piece, just need Lewis to come and lick Cummings’ boots and we’ll have status quo.

There we go!

[Lewis]

It's right though. No wonder so many of you were confused by the guidance.

[Waffdon]

The ‘rona has turned Lewis into an actual bot. The Kuenssberf of TTH :drool:

[Waffdon]

Raab, Gove and Sunak’s orchestrated tweets defending Cummings hahahahaha

[Spikey M]

Me and the mrs had to look after the kids when we had the flu over new year. It was awful, but we struggled through. There's no chance in a million years I'd have been able to drive anywhere the state I was in. He's full of shit. And risking killing off his presumably elderly parents as well. Lol.

[Waffdon]

It’s a load of shite. Johnson literally says in his conference kids shouldn’t be left with their grandparents. Cummings probably wrote it for him too.

[Don]

The story is he believed he'd be likely to catch it due to his wife so it was a precautionary measure to not end up like the hero you undoubtedly were with the flu.

[Spikey M]

Even if that's not the case, it still falls apart as being 'essential travel'. If you can drive, you can look after your kids. Chuck a bowl of Frosties at them and put the tv on. Or atleast have your parents collect them, rather than the other way around.

[Spikey M]

The story is he believed he'd be likely to catch it due to his wife so it was a precautionary measure to not end up like the hero you undoubtedly were with the flu.

Precautionary how? The kids are at risk too. Extending that risk to your parents is not helpful. Him not even being sick at the time makes it worse. Where's the guidance saying that parents are to relocate their kids to their grandparents house if one of them gets symptoms?

[Don]

Listen, I've seen what you fucking twats get like with overprotectiveness over your spawn, I can see the logic if the wife is down and you think you're likely to be next given you've been shoving your god knows what in her filthy bits every night. If the gradparents aren't in a position to make the journey, this seems like a choice born out of that most fabled of things, common sense. Look at the fucking state of twitter rn, I coukd be lolling at some good content and instead I'm being battered with these cunts having their periods.

[Spikey M]

Lol. Horse shit. Is it dangerous to kids? Nope. Is it Dangerous to the Elderly? Yes.

[niko_cee]

The kids weren't at any sort of personal risk, statistically speaking (listening to that radio 4 stats programme the 'risk' to anyone under 15 is insanely low to the point of basically being non-existent - 1 in 3 million or something), but the wider points about them being a (potential) risk to their grandparents seems strong (1% of the over 90s have died of covid, not 1% of those who have had it, 1% all in!) and fuck knows where driving the length of the country fits in with essential travel. It's probably 'within the rules' (as he's not a total idiot) but all that shows is that the rules (which he probably had a hand in) were a bit shit.

[Don]

Yep, we all knew the guudance was never clear or comprehensive. He's hardly Neil Ferguson meeting up to fill some whore's jizzpocket so these lot really need to get on their next crusade. Been a tough week what with the Arcurigate defeat too.

[Spikey M]

The kids weren't at any sort of personal risk, statistically speaking (listening to that radio 4 stats programme the 'risk' to anyone under 15 is insanely low to the point of basically being non-existent - 1 in 3 million or something), but the wider points about them being a (potential) risk to their grandparents seems strong (1% of the over 90s have died of covid, not 1% of those who have had it, 1% all in!) and fuck knows where driving the length of the country fits in with essential travel. It's probably 'within the rules' (as he's not a total idiot) but all that shows is that the rules (which he probably had a hand in) were a bit shit.

His wife was sick and out of the house travelling 200 miles. There's no way that's within the rules. 7 day isolation for her, 14 days for the rest of them.

[niko_cee]

Aye, but there will be some sort of wriggle-room exception.

I bet he burned a whole bunch of tests making sure the kids didn't have it, that'd probably be as much of a scandal.

[Spikey M]

They'll manufacture the wriggle room into one of the vagueries, that's for sure. The irritating part isn't even the rule breaking, it's the excuse making of the general public. I don't know how they've managed it, but this government has managed to build up an unfathomable level of unconditional support.

[Boydy]

It helps to have most of the media on your side.

[Lewis]

https://i.imgur.com/X7Triet.jpg?1

He's amazing that bloke.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Lol, I didn't think the entire cabinet would actually come out wrongly defending him on twitter. Imagine having the country in your pocket to that extent. My hero.

He 100% shouldn't have done it and the reaction is delicious.

[niko_cee]

In fairness, going off the BBC article, which we all know to be an arm of the right-wing media propaganda machine, what he's supposed to have done doesn't seem that bad, and probably should/should've been allowed.

Certainly not visiting a second home level of daftness.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It doesn't really matter what he's meant to have done, if you're in that position in government you have to be squeaky clean. If anything he should have got the Durham people to drive down and pick the kids up.

[niko_cee]

He should have got one of the cabinet to drive them up there more like.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If there was still a Royal Yacht he could have sailed them up the east coast on that. Oh well.

[niko_cee]

this government has managed to build up an unfathomable level of unconditional support.

Accept Incompetence - Dismiss Criticism - Protect Her Majesty's Government

[phonics]

It’s so absolutely pathetic how the party of individual responsibility are completely incapable of ever taking responsibility for anything.

[Spikey M]

In other Deadly Dom news, all this screen time has alerted me to the fact that he is the most unfortunate bald man in the world. He needs a head of hair. Someone buy him a wig and a Regain subcription.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He probably has a full head of hair, but wears a bald skull wig to wind people up.

They even gnash their teeth furiously about him having his belt undone.

[niko_cee]

Asked whether it looked good, he said: "Who cares about good looks? It's a question of doing the right thing. It's not about what you guys think."

:D

[Jimmy Floyd]

The clip is an all time great: https://twitter.com/BBCDanielS/status/1264166848712577025

[Lewis]

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Wise words. :harold:

[Spikey M]

If it's the right thing to do then why isn't it in the official guidelines?

[Lewis]

It is.

[Shindig]

If it's a question of childcare then he's sorted of played the essential travel card erm ... as intended.

[Spikey M]

It is.

Where?

[Spikey M]

If it's a question of childcare then he's sorted of played the essential travel card erm ... as intended.

If isolating the guidance is "Do not leave home for any reason".

There's no caveats offered.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Spikey would love to travel hundreds of miles to get rid of his for even a few minutes but you don't see him loading up the car.

[Waffdon]

All these MPs rushing to his defence :drool:

What a horrible bunch of bastards.

[Spikey M]

Spikey would love to travel hundreds of miles to get rid of his for even a few minutes but you don't see him loading up the car.

Yep. That's definitely it.

[Lewis]

Where?

There is a great big exemption running through it all about providing for 'vulnerable' people.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Every city in Spain is currently jammed up with traffic honking horns and waving flags through the city centre in a largely right wing protest against their lockdown, for which they blame socialist PM Pedro Sanchez, who, they say, has handled the crisis 'the worst in the entire world'.

Sounds familiar.

[Spikey M]

There is a great big exemption running through it all about providing for 'vulnerable' people.

What waffle. He wasn't even Ill.

[Waffdon]

Lewis Kuenssberg has to to stick by his lovers.

[Lewis]

It's all in there.

[Boydy]

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[Lewis]

Try as I might I can't imagine people ignoring what the guidance actually says to attack somebody they don't like.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If Raheem Sterling did it then some of the same people who are currently ANGRY and OUTRAGED on twitter would be drafting up their Observer columns asking why we are picking on a black working class boy made good, while the people defending Cummings would be ANGRY and OUTRAGED in their place.

Everything now is the culture war.

[Foe]

So if you’re a parent and caught Covid19 you were supposed to travel to anywhere else in the country to a relative and pop the kids off.

Don’t remember reading that.

[Giggles]

I have no idea who Cummings is and I feel all the better for it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

All I can say is if you think this government was useless with Cummings in it, just wait until they try and do anything without him.

Not that he'll resign. Boris will probably have to sack him. Or they will just style it out and see how long until the twitter typhoon burns itself out.

[Waffdon]

Piers Morgan to the rescue

[Waffdon]

They’re pretty much making up the legislation as they go to save him. This is hilarious

[Yevrah]

From the limited amount I've read, because of the limited amount I care, he has to go. But the whole thing's been a complete shambles anyway, so this is just another step in that shambles, whatever they choose to do.

Nice distraction from what should be discussions about a coherent plan to get out of this mess though.

[Spikey M]

All I can say is if you think this government was useless with Cummings in it, just wait until they try and do anything without him.

Not that he'll resign. Boris will probably have to sack him. Or they will just style it out and see how long until the twitter typhoon burns itself out.

They'll probably find a lesser mortal that has done something worse to take the attention away from this and throw them under the bus.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

If he was Labour, they'd be after his blood.

[Manc]

The clip is an all time great: https://twitter.com/BBCDanielS/status/1264166848712577025

Nice Discovery on show.

[Jimmy Floyd]

From the limited amount I've read, because of the limited amount I care, he has to go. But the whole thing's been a complete shambles anyway, so this is just another step in that shambles, whatever they choose to do.

Nice distraction from what should be discussions about a coherent plan to get out of this mess though.

The entire episode is a disastrous failure in everything - from big name types thinking they are above the law (as I'm sure not only him and Dr Ferguson, but many many others do), to journalism existing solely as a sort of Catherine Wheel of screaming obsession with famous names/cartoon villains and having no time for substantial issues.

[Foe]

Can imagine the news reporting outlets will be debating whether the “government response confirms guidelines open to interpretation” is an ethical message to publish.

People are looking for an excuse to fuck off the lockdown (more than they already are). This is it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The one aspect of this that is truly bizarre has been the willingness of the entire Cabinet to put out nonsensical tweets defending him on spurious grounds. Any sane organisation would have said 'yes, it was wrong but oh well, nothing to see here'. Getting names like the Chancellor to come out forming a human shield around him suggests DC is either the key to the whole government to a greater extent than we realise, or he has photos of them all at a Nazi-themed gay orgy.

[Kikó]

The attorney general seems to think it's ok as well so not sure why us plebs ever bothered.

[Spikey M]

The one aspect of this that is truly bizarre has been the willingness of the entire Cabinet to put out nonsensical tweets defending him on spurious grounds. Any sane organisation would have said 'yes, it was wrong but oh well, nothing to see here'. Getting names like the Chancellor to come out forming a human shield around him suggests DC is either the key to the whole government to a greater extent than we realise, or he has photos of them all at a Nazi-themed gay orgy.

They're not mutually exclusive.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They should really be relaxing things further now so they might as well use this as an excuse. I will continue to follow the law as I always do, but it would be nice to be able to have dinner with my mid 60s, healthy mum and dad soon.

[Foe]

They should really be relaxing things further now so they might as well use this as an excuse. I will continue to follow the law as I always do, but it would be nice to be able to have dinner with my mid 60s, healthy mum and dad soon.

Just interpret the law and guidelines in your favour. Apparently that’s what we should’ve been doing this entire time.

[Spikey M]

They should really be relaxing things further now so they might as well use this as an excuse. I will continue to follow the law as I always do, but it would be nice to be able to have dinner with my mid 60s, healthy mum and dad soon.

Just define yourself as living with your mum and dad for the duration of your stay. Easy.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Oh, I could easily pop over there now if I really wanted to, but I'd rather do so with a clear conscience. R is clearly tanked outside care homes now so other than administrative incompetence, I don't know what's stopping us from moving forward.

[Shindig]

They seem to think July is a realistic target for whatever the new normal ends up being. Also, a fun thing about Sweden: They only do 10,000 tests a day. Usually nets them around 500-700 infections.

[niko_cee]

Probably wise, given your output on here the left-wing press probably have three or four people tailing you at all times.

[Yevrah]

Oh, I could easily pop over there now if I really wanted to, but I'd rather do so with a clear conscience. R is clearly tanked outside care homes now so other than administrative incompetence, I don't know what's stopping us from moving forward.

Incompetence, from our government and our scientific advisers. Both parties are useless, absolutely fucking useless.

[Boydy]

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Lololololol

[Magic]

He's manipulating the public in to herd immunity. :drool:

[Yevrah]

Yet he was apparently the one who ordered the lockdown.

[Waffdon]

Laura has been quiet today

[Kikó]

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Are they trolling?

[Jimmy Floyd]

That wasn't him, it was one of his body doubles.

[Alex]

I don't know why, but this:


A neighbour, who was out for a walk at the famous local beauty spot, claimed Mr Cummings commented as he passed by: “Aren’t the bluebells lovely?”

Has tickled me massively. :D

[Don]

The lockdown rules are for pond life. The intelligent know what's up.

[Spikey M]

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You wanted Memes Taz?

[Waffdon]

It would be a shame if he got the Diana treatment. The Brexit head man. See you later, you cunt.

[Boydy]

I don't know why, but this:



Has tickled me massively. :D

Seeking extraction from his handlers.

[Waffdon]

He’ll resign and they’ll just employ him in another guise off the books

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://i.imgur.com/yHreF7M.png

But I thought what he (Cummings) did was perfectly legal?

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1264229200522862593?s=19

This tweet has broken my brain.

[Magic]

Yet he was apparently the one who ordered the lockdown.

Exactly, and now he wants it lifted.

[Waffdon]

https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1264229200522862593?s=19

This tweet has broken my brain.

He’s a right weird cunt. Was a Dundee United fan growing up and then changed to Celtic as well.

[Boydy]

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[Sir Andy Mahowry]

:harold:

[Waffdon]

They really are incredibly thick.

[Spikey M]

'We're going to rise above this nonsense'

[Yevrah]

They've actually taken a page out of Trump's playbook.

[Boydy]

They've actually taken a page out of Trump's playbook.

Yeah they might as well just have said "fake news".

[Jimmy Floyd]

Who is even writing that? Is Dom writing it himself? Has the PM signed it off? Is the PM even at work?

[Waffdon]

Bank holiday weekend, of course he’s not. His phone is probably switched off at this point.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

And balls deep in some whore's jizzpocket whilst lolling at all of us lot being locked down.

[Yevrah]

The shambles continues.

I'm taking the calling of this one, very early doors, to my grave.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It feels like they are collapsing from the inside and Boris is impossibly weak. If this was Blair with Alastair Campbell (who I see is tweeting himself blue, the fucking wanker) then either Tony would have come out first up and laughed it off (as he did to save John Prescott on countless occasions), or they would have decisively dealt with it in some other way.

I suspect everyone in the building(s) are completely shagged out after the last couple of months, which of course is when you need leadership and Boris doesn't provide any.

[Waffdon]

Twitter doing great detective work. This is going to be tremendous.

Apparently with his car it’s impossible to drive to Durham without stopping, he was at Barnard Castle for his wives birthday and was in Durham a few weeks ago.

[Yevrah]

If they're actually caught lying, in bang to rights fashion, over how many times he's breached lockdown then their incompetence knows no bounds.

These are the people dealing with a pandemic remember.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I know I am usually arch-Tory on here (because I just fundamentally despise the position, held in all left-wing politics even if they deny it, that self-appointed philosopher-kings must tell the plebs how to live their lives) and I also find Cummings a fascinating and hugely interesting character who has done more than any other individual to challenge and indeed overthrow the lazy, self-serving orthodoxy of 2000s-2010s elite British politics. I also personally don't care that he broke lockdown even though I haven't, any more than I care about any of the other millions of people who have broken lockdown, and in any case I don't care at all - lockdown was necessary but was never going to be universally adhered to.

However, where he (and the government in defending him) have fallen short is:

1) You can NEVER break your own rules (no matter what those rules are)
2) If caught doing 1, you cannot EVER defend yourself. By doing so, you are basically Richard Nixon: 'If the president does it, that means it's not illegal'.

1 was bad enough but probably salvageable; 2, as conducted over the course of today, is a disgrace. Boris is probably flapping and dithering at the moment because, having run into No 10 on the back of Cummings's acumen, he probably doesn't know how to get rid of him, or what he could put in his place if he did. I expect he will sack him in the end.

[Lewis]

He didn't break their own rules.

[Spikey M]

I like the idea of Dom orchestrating his own sacking.

[Spikey M]

He didn't break their own rules.

Ok boomer

[Yevrah]

He didn't break their own rules.

Go on then, what did he do and what rules is he accused of breaking and why didn't he break them?

[Jimmy Floyd]

He didn't break their own rules.

Even if he didn't (which I doubt), then as a central part of the government you need to do better than finding loopholes in the smallprint. And if you do, you need to come out and be honest about it at the time. People would kind of understand then.

[Spikey M]

Go on then, what did he do and what rules is he accused of breaking and why didn't he break them?

They said the word 'vulnerable' at some point. That's it.

[Lewis]

Go on then, what did he do and what rules is he accused of breaking and why didn't he break them?

He took his family to be closer to people who could help out and was still able to isolate in a separate property. Idiots who haven't actually read the guidance consider this to be a breach of the rules, because they think that STAY AT HOME is some sort of waterproof law (possibly why they were all confused by it two weeks ago), when there are in fact exemptions for things like this. Did he need to drive all that way? Who knows? Did doing so break the law? No. If people are convinced that it did, why don't they just pressure the police to investigate, rather than pestering the Cabinet Secretary?

These subsequent claims I don't know. He's calling bullshit on one of them. We'll see. But the earlier stuff is all allowed.

[mugbull]

And now the Brits can understand how “seemingly competent” people voted for Trump. It has nothing to do with intelligence, and everything to do with ideological affiliation

[Don]

24 hours of twitter hype and over two pages of this shite, you cunts. Fucking start the prem already, I'm reading legislation on Saturday night of a bank holiday.

The regulations for the lockdown should be found here:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/350/2020-03-26 (note we are looking at them as at 26/03/20 as opposed to the later versions as Don Dom was supposedly carrying out his offences around 30th March.)

More specifically s6 seems to be the relevant section here.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/350/regulation/6/2020-03-26

Your honour, the children do not fall under the definition of 'vulnerable people' (see s1(3)(c)) and so s6(2)(d) does not apply. s6(2)(i) is also not relevant as it isn't public services in question here.

Your honour, the defendant has no case in our view.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That looks like a Don-ning.

[Yevrah]

He took his family to be closer to people who could help out and was still able to isolate in a separate property. Idiots who haven't actually read the guidance consider this to be a breach of the rules, because they think that STAY AT HOME is some sort of waterproof law (possibly why they were all confused by it two weeks ago), when there are in fact exemptions for things like this. Did he need to drive all that way? Who knows? Did doing so break the law? No. If people are convinced that it did, why don't they just pressure the police to investigate, rather than pestering the Cabinet Secretary?

These subsequent claims I don't know. He's calling bullshit on one of them. We'll see. But the earlier stuff is all allowed.

The thing is, you take one look at all this and it's clear as day that he wanted to go to Durham, so he went to Durham. He then gets caught and has to come up with some bollocks to excuse it, so he goes for childcare - which is so obviously bollocks to anyone who isn't wearing partisan glasses.

If that bollocks doesn't technically fit the rules as laid out then lol, if it does, then it comes across as someone stretching the boundaries who, given the position he holds, should have been so far inside them he was nailed on for a medal when this is all over.

If it then transpires he did it again (or again and again), having used his one crap excuse up already, then a roflcopter is needed.

Fucking amateur hour, the whole thing, and it's a bit embarrassing that you're defending it when your nose for bullshit is so keen in any other walk of life.

[Lewis]

I'm defending him on the basis that he hasn't breached the guidance. Given that I don't know what childcare options he has available to him closer to his primary residence, anything else is speculation; or, rather, bullshit.

[Don]

I'd be surprised if he hasn't breached the guidance given that is theoretically written as a dummies guide to the legislation mentioned above.

He's certainly in breach of the latest guidance:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do

[mugbull]

The reason why Lewis never actually takes a stand on any opinion he has is because he knows he can be beaten down by pretty much anything. That’s the real rookie move here. Should take a page from Trump’s playbook and just pretend like he’s never said what he’s said.

[Lewis]

You mis-read the legislation above. The footnote in 6(2)(d) takes you elsewhere and covers childminding.

[Don]

I was unsure about that but paragraph 7(3B) of Schedule 4 to the Safeguarding of Vulnerable Groups Act 2006 seems to only refer to adults. You're gonna have to break it down for me.

[Don]

Oi you cunt, don't fucking leave me on tenterhooks here. I'm not seeinh anything in s66(2) of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 either.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/9/section/66

[Waffdon]

Lewis is definitely one of them right wing bots on twitter with the Union Jack in his name.

[Lewis]

As I read it, it corrects/swaps in (3)(a, b, c, d) to cover registered childcare, presumably to stop people kicking kids here, there and everywhere and making a mockery of the guidance.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Legislation arguments is what TTH has been missing for years.

[Don]

Deciphering footnotes on legislation.gov.uk isn't something I've ever clocked and I've read that shit a dozen times now and it's a mindfuck. I'm sending this to my work chat tomorrow (can't do it now as it's 2am Saturday night and even to a bunch of LOTR meme sharing freaks I'm worried about my street cred) to get confirmation.

[Luca]

Deciphering footnotes on legislation.gov.uk isn't something I've ever clocked and I've read that shit a dozen times now and it's a mindfuck. I'm sending this to my work chat tomorrow (can't do it now as it's 2am Saturday night and even to a bunch of LOTR meme sharing freaks I'm worried about my street cred) to get confirmation.


https://en.meming.world/images/en/thumb/8/8e/All_Right_Then%2C_Keep_Your_Secrets.jpg/300px-All_Right_Then%2C_Keep_Your_Secrets.jpg

[Byron]

He took his family to be closer to people who could help out and was still able to isolate in a separate property. Idiots who haven't actually read the guidance consider this to be a breach of the rules, because they think that STAY AT HOME is some sort of waterproof law (possibly why they were all confused by it two weeks ago), when there are in fact exemptions for things like this. Did he need to drive all that way? Who knows? Did doing so break the law? No. If people are convinced that it did, why don't they just pressure the police to investigate, rather than pestering the Cabinet Secretary?

These subsequent claims I don't know. He's calling bullshit on one of them. We'll see. But the earlier stuff is all allowed.

Which is fine except;

* The guidance clearly states that if one person is self isolating then everyone in the household does and in the primary residence/
* He's not well enough to work and according to his wife 'was laid up on the sofa' but is okay to drive hundreds of miles to Durham
* His sister-in-law lives in London and he apparently also has family in Oxford and Cambridge

Even if he didn't break the rules, how does it look to other people that have been very strict about not seeing their parents. I would have loved to see my father in law over the last few weeks but didn't. I would have done if I'd known that all the guidance was bollocks that doesn't apply to senior government figures.

[Byron]

Man, I almost feel sorry for Shapps. Sky News is absolutely murdering him.

That said, he doesn't get off scot free because Sky actually told him the questions beforehand and he's struggling.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Shapps still on media duty? Talk about taking one for the team. They all owe him a vineyard each.

If Dom had any sense of theatre he would go on TV now, Clough-style, and rip them all a new one.

[Shindig]

"Well, I dropped the kids off at theirs and then they became ill, leading to the second trip. I was fine by then, you see."

Easy.

[Lofty]

I am fantasising about a Cummings Tucker style meltdown behind closed doors: 'YOU DON'T FUCK ME BORIS I AM UNFUCKABLE!'

[-james-]

The "but he didn't break the rules" defence is incredible. Read the room.

[Spikey M]

I know porn is banned, but Lewis and Jimmy need some relief.

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[Manc]

Lewis is definitely on the scale.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I know porn is banned, but Lewis and Jimmy need some relief.

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That would be 15D chess, I reckon the maximum they've reached to date is 11.

[Yevrah]

Lewis is definitely on the scale.

Having seen more this morning. His wife had symptoms, he should have been isolating as a result. This superseeds every other reason justifying why he didn't break the rules.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Cummings to resign and then this to happen on Monday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW78swzn_Bs

[phonics]

It’s all so pathetic. This could just be avoided by saying ‘He made a mistake Under high stress, I’ve told him he’s a twat and we move on’

Instead this childish ‘he was only applying subsection 4 (3) (3) (5) of the Versailles treaty, stop being mean to him’

Take some fucking responsibility you utter mong.

[Yevrah]

Yep, it's just embarrassing.

[Disco]

It’s all so pathetic. This could just be avoided by saying ‘He made a mistake Under high stress, I’ve told him he’s a twat and we move on’

Instead this childish ‘he was only applying subsection 4 (3) (3) (5) of the Versailles treaty, stop being mean to him’

Take some fucking responsibility you utter mong.

As ridiculous as all the partisan howling is this beats it, just come out and say yes he did something he shouldn't have done but I'm not sacking him so lets all move on.

[Shindig]

Even an apology from Dom would've gone alright. Now any apology he makes would be seen as insincere and forced.

[Spikey M]

It’s all so pathetic. This could just be avoided by saying ‘He made a mistake Under high stress, I’ve told him he’s a twat and we move on’

Instead this childish ‘he was only applying subsection 4 (3) (3) (5) of the Versailles treaty, stop being mean to him’

Take some fucking responsibility you utter mong.

There would still be calls for his head, but atleast they could justify not sacking him by saying 'look, these are unprecedented times and we are all dealing with it as best we can. People will make mistakes. That is why the police have been told to go easy on the fines and to talk to people with understanding'.

That said, the way they've handled this is perfectly inline with how they've handled the whole shit show, so it's better this way really. If we're going to have a shambles, then let's have a proper fucking shambles. I want riots on the streets and orgies in care homes. Bring it on.

[phonics]

Anyone got a Times subscription. This weeks Sunday seems juicy.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYw7aPIWAAQc3VD.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYxIUPWXYAAnZar.jpg

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/three-weeks-of-dither-and-delay-on-coronavirus-that-cost-thousands-of-british-lives-05sjvwv7g

[phonics]

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Okay, thats funny.

[Disco]

He should reply from Durham.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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:eyemouth:

[Jimmy Floyd]

He's not home, but those Led By Donkeys people are all about the self-publicity rather than actually achieving anything.

[phonics]

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:d

[Spikey M]

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You can't really ask that when you're stood in the middle of a mosh pit, lad.

[Spikey M]

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[Lewis]

Which is fine except;

* The guidance clearly states that if one person is self isolating then everyone in the household does and in the primary residence/
* He's not well enough to work and according to his wife 'was laid up on the sofa' but is okay to drive hundreds of miles to Durham
* His sister-in-law lives in London and he apparently also has family in Oxford and Cambridge

Even if he didn't break the rules, how does it look to other people that have been very strict about not seeing their parents. I would have loved to see my father in law over the last few weeks but didn't. I would have done if I'd known that all the guidance was bollocks that doesn't apply to senior government figures.

I could have been seeing my workmates through all of this, but we don't all work for Asda. The rules are there, and - based on what we know at this moment in time - his actions were well within them. There is only a story beyond that because people want there to be one (notice it has moved on to him being a 'distraction', as if operating in a vacuum), and if you want to get worked up about it crack on.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I could have been seeing my workmates through all of this, but we don't all work for Asda. The rules are there, and - based on what we know at this moment in time - his actions were well within them. There is only a story beyond that because people want there to be one (notice it has moved on to him being a 'distraction', as if operating in a vacuum), and if you want to get worked up about it crack on.

No they weren't.

The rules stated that if anyone in a household is experiencing any symptoms then everyone has to isolate and is not allowed to leave the house.

[Lewis]

And we're back to childcare responsibilities driving a coach and horses through all of it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://i.imgur.com/TYrE3Gf.png

Nope.

His wife had symptoms, so he shouldn't have left at all.

[Lewis]

I think we've established that the website slogans don't quite cover all of the legislative exemptions, otherwise people would be getting fined for going to the hospital and dying of it.

[Spikey M]

I hope we can go round in these circles for another 3 pages. We're at peak lol. Rightness or wrongness is irrelevant.

[Kikó]

Lewis's hero has been found out. You love to see it.

[Waffdon]

Boris sticking by Cummings, then. Apparently there’s more stuff to be released tomorrow but they don’t think it will be ‘too damaging’.

Soap opera init

[John Arne]

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You can't really ask that when you're stood in the middle of a mosh pit, lad.

No social distancing, all but a few not wearing masks, rubbing up and tripping over each other. Knobheads.

[phonics]

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This is a stronger defense than anything Lewis can come up with because it's the truth. 'He's my mate, leave him alone.'

[Waffdon]

Boris is doing the conference. The blubbering that is about to commence :drool:

[Spikey M]

The blustering is going to be outstanding. Will he go with 'made a silly mistake' or 'He's nuffink rong you bunch of slags'.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'm going with just "ignore it completely".

[Lewis]

This is a stronger defense than anything Lewis can come up with because it's the truth. 'He's my mate, leave him alone.'

All that actual government legislation I've been making up.

[Waffdon]

You okay hun x

[phonics]

All that actual government legislation I've been making up.

The level of on the ropes is currently at 'Stone Cold at Summerslam' levels.

https://i.imgur.com/Olky3zj.jpg

[Luke Emia]

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This is a stronger defense than anything Lewis can come up with because it's the truth. 'He's my mate, leave him alone.'

As has been said on here. All they have to do is admit he did it. It was a mistake, it won’t happen again, he’s very sorry and the PM has decided his input is too valuable not to have in this current predicament and it doesn’t get blown up like it has been.

[Waffdon]

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No surprises

[Lewis]

The level of on the ropes is currently at 'Stone Cold at Summerslam' levels.

You've just edited out saying that you haven't read what I'm referring to, but you're still up on it enough to question what I'm saying. It would be a suicide dive over the ropes having to deal with that level of stupidity.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Earlier I thought he would sack him, but since Alex Massie dropped a 'Cummings must go' piece I reckon he'll survive.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

He's pussied out.

[Waffdon]

:D

This is already hilarious. Hound them out, boys. Hound them out.

[Spikey M]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get to the questions.

[Kikó]

What a mockery of the public this is.

[Waffdon]

You can’t sack your own boss.

[ScousePig]

He's lost the fans and he's losing the dressing room.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

"Isolate if you have symptoms" you say?

[Jimmy Floyd]

While this shit is going on, it seems likely that the lockdown might be eased a bit which is of more long term interest (to me at least).

[Waffdon]

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Lolz

[Waffdon]

Pippa Crecar set up for the hat trick after this, one would hope.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Lolz
:D

[Don]

First presser I'm watching for weeks. The numbers for cases, deaths and hospital capacity look superb, let my parents see my nephew now you cunts.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Is there a bigger fanny in the country than Robert Peston? Talk properly you twat.

[Kikó]

First presser I'm watching for weeks. The numbers for cases, deaths and hospital capacity look superb, let my parents see my nephew now you cunts.

Just go for it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Boris is doing a great job with that shovel of his.

[Mike]

Ian is my fav!

[phonics]

Glad that 'One rule for me, another for thee' is official Tory policy now.

[Mike]

Less so now he’s working

[Don]

Just go for it.

If it was up to me I'd let them do a Gary Glitter on the cunt. My bro and his wife are abiding by the rules like the gimps they are.

[Waffdon]

He’s all over the place :D

[Kikó]

It's hard to defend the indefensible.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

This is stunning.

[Jimmy Floyd]

What has Dom got on all these people? The slavish devotion is incredible.

[Don]

Wave after wave :D

Well played reporters, none of this Trumpist 'change topic and allow him to breathe' bollocks.

[Alex]

When he tried to jog the Politco guy on before he got his follow up question in and failed. :D

[Don]

Trust the fucking hideous whale to ask a completely dead question.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Even she piled in :D

[niko_cee]

As has been said on here. All they have to do is admit he did it. It was a mistake, it won’t happen again, he’s very sorry and the PM has decided his input is too valuable not to have in this current predicament and it doesn’t get blown up like it has been.

:roflol:

[Kikó]

Why die on this hill? Why why why?

[Lewis]

Glad that 'One rule for me, another for thee' is official Tory policy now.

Have you read the rules you're referring to yet?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Why die on this hill? Why why why?

It must be a nice hill seeing as Lewis is climbing it too.

[ScousePig]

I think you've backed the wrong horse here, Lewis.

[Spikey M]

That was awful.

[phonics]

Have you read the rules you're referring to yet?

This isn’t a court of law.

[Don]

I like how both sides just keep referring to The Guidance without actually being able to directly reference or quote any of it to settle the matter one way or another. Both of you need to stfu.

[phonics]

I like how both sides just keep referring to The Guidance without actually being able to directly reference or quote any of it to settle the matter one way or another. Both of you need to stfu.
Hence why I haven’t quoted any. This coming shortly after ‘the guidance is very clear’ is an extra dose of lol.

[Lewis]

I thought we were waiting on your work's chat.

[phonics]

You seem upset.

[Waffdon]

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Someone is losing their job

[Spikey M]

:D

[mo]

Love how they brought the school’s announcement up from next week. Totally failed.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Someone is losing their job

Gone.

What was it?

[Spikey M]

They're going to have to pull something big out of the bag to brush this under the carpet.

[Jimmy Floyd]

This is all such an unforced error. They've completely torched the entire narrative around the entire issue to the point where I have no idea what the vague fluff he mentioned about moving to lockdown phase 2 even means, if it means anything at all.

The incompetence in not ending the story is remarkable. Cummings, or any advisor, cannot be THAT valuable to them. If he is then they shouldn't be pretending to form a government in the first place. Even if they really wanted to keep him, they could have poured water on it by admitting guilt first up but saying he doesn't need to resign over it. It would be a storm for a day or two but not the complete self-napalming effort that this is.

The problem is half the Parliamentary party owe Boris their careers and the other half are raving lunatics, so there won't be any challenge to him.

[Don]

I thought we were waiting on your work's chat.

They were with me on the footnote (not definitive) but the key that slipped us both was the reasonable excuses are not exhaustive, simply 'includes...[list]' which I guess means there is no clear answer to this which ultimately means you have to be biased to make a definitive judgement on his actions.

But I think we can all agree Boris shat it with that response today.

[Spikey M]

Gone.

What was it?

The official Civil Service accout saying 'imagine having to work with these truth twisters' or similar.

[Don]

Screenie, pls.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYzHHDRXgAAbXZd?format=jpg

lol.

[Raoul Duke]

Civil Service: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/may/24/uk-coronavirus-live-dominic-cummings-under-intense-pressure-over-lockdown-breaches?page=with:block-5ecaa8878f08a1782fa80c3f#block-5ecaa8878f08a1782fa80c3f

[Mike]

Gone.

What was it?

https://i.postimg.cc/sxpfPNdP/810-B186-E-108-A-49-C9-8072-74-D8-CD246449.png

[Andy]

Today is the unofficial end of the lockdown then. No one will take it seriously after that.

[Lewis]

This is all such an unforced error. They've completely torched the entire narrative around the entire issue to the point where I have no idea what the vague fluff he mentioned about moving to lockdown phase 2 even means, if it means anything at all.

The incompetence in not ending the story is remarkable. Cummings, or any advisor, cannot be THAT valuable to them. If he is then they shouldn't be pretending to form a government in the first place. Even if they really wanted to keep him, they could have poured water on it by admitting guilt first up but saying he doesn't need to resign over it. It would be a storm for a day or two but not the complete self-napalming effort that this is.

The problem is half the Parliamentary party owe Boris their careers and the other half are raving lunatics, so there won't be any challenge to him.

There is no story to end beyond the press pissing themselves and misleading people, so how would admitting ('admitting') that he did something wrong help there? These things have only ended in the past when the government shat their pants and whoever their target was got hounded out. There are new rules, and the media don't like it.

[Waffdon]

I thought I was the mentally fucked one of TTH. Welcome, Lew.

[Giggles]

I thought more of you Lewbot.

[Jimmy Floyd]

There is no story to end beyond the press pissing themselves and misleading people, so how would admitting ('admitting') that he did something wrong help there? These things have only ended in the past when the government shat their pants and whoever their target was got hounded out. There are new rules, and the media don't like it.

Because they are the UK government and (always, but especially now) need to be communicating clearly with the public. This stops them from doing so, not only because 'he is the story', but because the content itself completely blurs all the rules that we are meant to be following.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Lewis has gone full Goldberg.

[Lewis]

Because they are the UK government and (always, but especially now) need to be communicating clearly with the public. This stops them from doing so, not only because 'he is the story', but because the content itself completely blurs all the rules that we are meant to be following.

That gives media organs an effective veto on policy, because they can just chuck enough shit in the air and then the bottlers and the wets will cave to avoid the 'distraction'. The Conservative Party has spent the past twenty years running scared of the outrage bus with fuck all to show for it. If they cave in over this then that would be a far bigger unforced error.

[Spikey M]

Lost (it on) the New Board.

[Waffdon]

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