Coronavirus Death Thread

[SvN]

I wonder when normal people will get it. Is there any timeline for that yet?

[Spikey M]

They said on the news earlier that 2-3 million of them will have been done by the New Year. For a nation of 70 million odd that seems like pretty good going. Especially as they're mostly from the main at risk group (and workers in their fields).

[Spikey M]

I wonder when normal people will get it. Is there any timeline for that yet?

I don't think it will happen. By the time they reach people in their 40's the deaths will have long fucked off and the urgency will dry up. We'll be vaccinating the vulnerable and those that are 50+ from next Autumn.

[Don]

Normal people won't be having it, the sheep and easily brainwashed will be receiving it on the timelines discussed above though :huhu:

[Lewis]

Most people will get the cheapo Oxford one that is more suitable to mass rollout.

[Smjffy]

Wales to go back into lockdown from the 28th then. :moop:

It's almost a given that England will follow in January, isn't it?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Nobody's saying this, but the last lockdown (be it Welsh, English or anywhere else) basically had no effect, did it?

[SvN]

I can confidently say that my life changed by 0% during the last "lockdown".

[Yevrah]

Nobody's saying this, but the last lockdown (be it Welsh, English or anywhere else) basically had no effect, did it?

I wouldn't say no effect, but it stands to reason the impact would have been diminished as the diseases simply isn't serious enough to the vast majority of people for them to follow the rules for this long.

[Spikey M]

I can confidently say that my life changed by 0% during the last "lockdown".

Yup. There was no 2nd lockdown.

[Magic]

Lol didn't you all give me piles of abuse when I said the exact same thing?

[randomlegend]

There's spares so I'm getting a vaccine.

I'll WhatsApp you from the club losers.

[Spikey M]

Lol didn't you all give me piles of abuse when I said the exact same thing?

You've held more positions than a half price brass, how the fuck am I supposed to remember?

[Baz]

Wales to go back into lockdown from the 28th then. :moop:

It's almost a given that England will follow in January, isn't it?

Seems Wales are doing pretty badly at the moment. Over 70% of the Covid cases in Chester Hospital are Welsh, apparently.

[Magic]

There's spares so I'm getting a vaccine.

I'll WhatsApp you from the club losers.

We'll know you're there anyway.

[Giggles]

I’m 5th on the list of 13 groups here. Teachers are 11th which just about sums up the whole handling of it all.

[randomlegend]

We'll know you're there anyway.

The way you're going I wouldn't be surprised if you actually believe this.

[Lofty]

Nobody's saying this, but the last lockdown (be it Welsh, English or anywhere else) basically had no effect, did it?

Apart from you being unable to buy a dictionary from Pontypridd Asda, of course.

[Kikó]

Heard that schools have been asked to shut until at least the 11th (expected more) in north london with rising cases and expectation that it's only going to get worse. Sounds pretty desperate.

[Don]

Instead of the deaths and case tallies, they should show a daily VACCINATIONS-OMETER hosted by Jermaine Jenas and that black lesbian lass with hairy armpits. 2m by end of year did you say? Of the 70m, 20m are ethnics and 40m of the remainder are probably fat deliveroo fucks so we're probably looking at 60m as being the point when the bunting can come out and clubs reopen.

[Spikey M]

Instead of the deaths and case tallies, they should show a daily VACCINATIONS-OMETER hosted by Jermaine Jenas and that black lesbian lass with hairy armpits. 2m by end of year did you say? Of the 70m, 20m are ethnics and 40m of the remainder are probably fat deliveroo fucks so we're probably looking at 60m as being the point when the bunting can come out and clubs reopen.

I was thinking this earlier. I want a live vaccine count in the top corner on every channel and I want those Nonce Hunters reassigned to deal with the antivaxxers.

They reckon herd immunity starts at 60%, but if they're prioritising the vulnerable we should see a pretty sharp drop after the 60+ mob are sorted.

[Shindig]

They have 25m down on the priority list but some people will be doubled up on categories. That's a fair chunk but is it the fair chunk but it's not 60%

[Don]

60%+ bodyfat mob will probably need it too if they're going to not clog up the NHS.

[Spikey M]

They have 25m down on the priority list but some people will be doubled up on categories. That's a fair chunk but is it the fair chunk but it's not 60%

60% is for herd immunity to make a difference to the spread of the virus. Obviously vaccinating the vulnerable first deals with the deaths alot quicker than that, but it will still be in circulation.

[ScousePig]

Heard that schools have been asked to shut until at least the 11th (expected more) in north london with rising cases and expectation that it's only going to get worse. Sounds pretty desperate.

It's a bit of a concern that schools will be going back full time just a week after the Christmas FREE FOR ALL.

I'm all for keeping them open, but delaying the restart until the 11th seems a sensible option.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The problem is that as soon as you give teaching unions / frightened parents an inch, they'll want schools shut for another six months and everyone to be awarded straight As again.

[John Arne]

I went out without a mask at lunchtime, and it felt weird. I felt naked and exposed, and I was tapping my pockets trying to work out what I had forgotten.... wallet, phone, keys... seatbelt... bag... I'd clearly forgotten something. I then realised that you don't wear seatbelts on scooters, and it was indeed the face mask.

[mugbull]

I went out without a mask at lunchtime, and it felt weird. I felt naked and exposed, and I was tapping my pockets trying to work out what I had forgotten.... wallet, phone, keys... seatbelt... bag... I'd clearly forgotten something. I then realised that you don't wear seatbelts on scooters, and it was indeed the face mask.

Sick anecdote

[Spikey M]

I forgot something once. In my other coat it was.

[Queenslander]

Sounds like PTSD to me.

[Kikó]

They've conditioned you. Wake up sheeple.

[Spikey M]

That's nothing. I left a bag we needed in the car once. Nightmare.

[John Arne]

I've just read that back and realised how incredibly dull it sounds :D It was less a story of forgetting to wear my mask, and more a 'life after masks' moment of freedom. You guys will enjoy similar liberties in 6 months or so.

[Magic]

We only wear a mask indoors, unlike you freaks.

[Smjffy]

Seems Wales are doing pretty badly at the moment. Over 70% of the Covid cases in Chester Hospital are Welsh, apparently.

Flintshire's cases continue to rise tbh and the Maelor is hectic. Chester is our next nearest hospital being right on the border so I imagine it's the same aye.

I'm off for the rest of the year now. :moop:

[Kikó]

The doc who visited my nan on Monday called a minute ago as he tested positive for Covid. Fuck sake.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've just read that back and realised how incredibly dull it sounds :D It was less a story of forgetting to wear my mask, and more a 'life after masks' moment of freedom. You guys will enjoy similar liberties in 6 months or so.

We've never had to wear masks outside in the first place (I actually don't mind it in the shops, bit of a convert, and keeps your face warm). I have decent cotton masks though, christ knows how the whole of Asia puts up with those shitty paper ones.

[randomlegend]

I much prefer the papery surgical masks to fabric ones. The fabric ones get really damp and clammy from your breath if you wear them for any length of time.

[Yevrah]

Yet another 'don't kill granny' positioning piece from the Beeb, using REAL people with their REAL experiences.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55329310

[Spikey M]

The doc who visited my nan on Monday called a minute ago as he tested positive for Covid. Fuck sake.

Oh shit. Get her on the vitamin D immediately.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Yet another 'don't kill granny' positioning piece from the Beeb, using REAL people with their REAL experiences.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55329310

I saw that - the headline is pure propaganda.

I also want to hear much, much less from people who live with loving partners/families in nice houses and will 'not have the family round this year - we can do it any time'. In fact, I've wanted to hear much less from those people since the very start of lockdown.

[Baz]

Oh shit. Get her on the vitamin D immediately.You can’t shag your own nan.

[Spikey M]

You can, you just need plenty of lube.

[Giggles]

Yet another 'don't kill granny' positioning piece from the Beeb, using REAL people with their REAL experiences.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55329310

They’re right.

[Kikó]

Oh shit. Get her on the vitamin D immediately.

She does have some pretty strong vitamin d tablets so should be fine on that front. Probably going to a test centre in the next few days. It's day 3 since the visit so it's a bit of an unknown at this point. Test and Trace called us this morning so will hear them out soon on advice.

[Spikey M]

They’re right.

They are, but so is Jimmy. I work with a lot of people that are completely isolated. I've been told by more than one of them (without sarcasm) that me giving them a call has been the highlight of their week. They are going to see their families, because it's the only time they ever do.

The suicide figures this winter are going to be shocking.

[Spikey M]

She does have some pretty strong vitamin d tablets so should be fine on that front. Probably going to a test centre in the next few days. It's day 3 since the visit so it's a bit of an unknown at this point. Test and Trace called us this morning so will hear them out soon on advice.

Presumably they were both masked up and the dr were gloves? Fingers crossed.

[Kikó]

She wasn't, he was and contact was minimal. I'm with her so obviously need to go down the same path. Nightmare fucking virus.

[Yevrah]

They’re right.

They might well be, I just don't think the BBC should be continually putting out agenda driven manipulation pieces.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They are, but so is Jimmy. I work with a lot of people that are completely isolated. I've been told by more than one of them (without sarcasm) that me giving them a call has been the highlight of their week. They are going to see their families, because it's the only time they ever do.

The suicide figures this winter are going to be shocking.

Exactly. I'm not really isolated at all, but I'm still starting to feel it at the moment just from the sheer stretches of time spent alone during the last few months (I see 4-5 people in the office which is a lifesaver). For people with other jobs or without jobs and who don't have family close, it must be absolutely awful, but this is never recognised in the media discourse.

[Magic]

Exactly. I'm not really isolated at all, but I'm still starting to feel it at the moment just from the sheer stretches of time spent alone during the last few months (I see 4-5 people in the office which is a lifesaver). For people with other jobs or without jobs and who don't have family close, it must be absolutely awful, but this is never recognised in the media discourse.

Is it any wonder when you've got sycophants like RL screaming at you to pull your mask up and stay at home.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Huge amount of the south being put in Tier 3 now including my area. Meanwhile they aren't lifting restrictions on areas in the north with decreasing rates - feels punitive rather than evidence-based. I really am fed up with all this miserable shit.

[SvN]

Indeed. A few of my friends live in areas where it's dropped to almost nothing, and they were expecting to move to tier 2. They're all going mental on Facebook.

[Spikey M]

Once they put you in Tier 3 it's basically impossible to get out. They only let Liverpool out so they could chest thump about their mass testing being effective (9 months too late).

[Lewis]

They might well be, I just don't think the BBC should be continually putting out agenda driven manipulation pieces.

Most of it seems to assume that everyone has no option but to go and mix on government orders, which seems to me to contradict their previous approach to new guidance being issued which was to act like we're all mongs who need step-by-step instructions.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Clearly everything they are doing at the moment is centred around a desperate bid to stop anyone going anywhere for Christmas, but lacking the stones to actually legislate on it and then have to do anything about the millions of rebels against that.

[Andy]

That must be 3/4s of the country in tier 3 now?

Might as well have just continued the November lockdown for an extra few weeks to really get the numbers down before Christmas. They've already shown the regional lockdowns don't work.

[Magic]

We've been in this Tier 3 since the school holidays in October, after being promised it would only be 2 weeks. :)

[Spikey M]

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:harold:

[Magic]

That's like up here, where only weird islands are allowed to fuck about as normal.

But we've killed their tourism so lol at that too. :harold:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

We've now been moved into tier 3 despite barely hitting the numbers for tier 2...

[ScousePig]

Huge amount of the south being put in Tier 3 now including my area. Meanwhile they aren't lifting restrictions on areas in the north with decreasing rates - feels punitive rather than evidence-based. I really am fed up with all this miserable shit.

Is it true that many of the influential MPs' constituencies are moving to tier 2?

All of Surrey into tier 3...except Waverley.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Is it true that many of the influential MPs' constituencies are moving to tier 2?

All of Surrey into tier 3...except Waverley.

No, it's not true, sounds like something northerners on Facebook would come up with as a conspiracy theory. Dominic Raab's (and my) constituency, Michael Gove's, Grant Shapps and others are all heading up to Tier 3 today. Waverley is just pretty villages so can imagine rates lower down there.

North Somerset going down to Tier 2 which might be JRM's, I can't remember.

[-james-]

Opening Bristol pubs for the week before Christmas (and New Year's Eve) is a bit of a head scratcher, to say the least.

[Don]

We've been in this Tier 3 since the school holidays in October, after being promised it would only be 2 weeks. :)

Wasn't it 3 weeks of living like these virgins to flatten the curve in March? :happycry:

I don't get my kicks from having scotch eggs with my Jager so tier 3 is absolutely no different for me. Going to restart going gym as of today actually, I hear the sauna and steam room is back :drool:

[Kikó]

Went to a walk in centre a few minutes ago with the four of us. Fingers crossed all negative.

[Lofty]

Furlough extended until April.

[Yevrah]

I'm still in tier 2. :jayjay:

[Don]

Happy New Tier to all but Yev.

[Magic]

Wasn't it 3 weeks of living like these virgins to flatten the curve in March? :happycry:

I don't get my kicks from having scotch eggs with my Jager so tier 3 is absolutely no different for me. Going to restart going gym as of today actually, I hear the sauna and steam room is back :drool:

Yes, though our Tier 3 just means everywhere closes at 6PM and no booze is allowed indoors or outdoors, effectively killing the working man.

[Lewis]

Happy New Tier to all but Yev.

He's still eating through his March stockpile so it's wasted on him anyway.

[Baz]

As one of the first men to set foot in tier 3, tier 2 (and all its mass testing for those without symptoms) feels pretty good.

[Don]

Possibly questionable sources but of no worse quality than RedditLad's offerings, I'm hearing Easter Monday as possible date of exit from tier system. Monday 5 April. Clear out the calendars, line up the dealers and brasses, we're bringing in the new tax year in some style boys.

[Manc]

Anticipating normality in Spring. :happycry:

[Yevrah]

He's still eating through his March stockpile so it's wasted on him anyway.

I don't know why you continue this line, which was never true in the first place.

Are you threatened by me?

[Lewis]

It's funny. Or it was.

[Giggles]

Anticipating normality in Spring. :happycry:

Why are you so desperate for it to continue?

[Don]

Ngl I'm having trouble keeping track of stances now ffs. Need a spreadsheet.

Giggles - Manc - Yev

[Jimmy Floyd]

Surely if they carry on vaccinating people at a reasonable rate, the deaths will fizzle out pretty quickly by about February?

[Yevrah]

We might still be wearing masks and the clubs may still be shut, but I'm pretty confident we'll all be living lives akin to tier 1 or better by some point in Spring. And we can then move on to sorting China and by extension, the WHO out.

[Spikey M]

I'm moderately confident we'll be on the right track come spring, but as always, we're not above a shambles.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If we have procured enough vaccine (which seems to be the one single very good call this government has made all year), I should have thought we should be shambles-proof.

[Boydy]

The NI executive is currently meeting to discuss new restrictions. Rumours of a 6 week lockdown of hospitality and non-essential retail from Christmas Eve. Also read that apparently restricting the opening hours of essential retail, requiring them to close st 8pm, is being considered. I don't get the point of that. Surely people going to shops and supermarkets to get groceries being restricted to certain times will just result in those places being busier during those hours?

I always go to the shop or supermarket at like 10pm these days to avoid it being busy.

[Manc]

Why are you so desperate for it to continue?

I think you've confused me with Magic.

[Giggles]

If we have procured enough vaccine (which seems to be the one single very good call this government has made all year), I should have thought we should be shambles-proof.

Getting enough cunts to take it is the problem.

[Giggles]

I think you've confused me with Magic.

Indeed and I did.

[Giggles]

The NI executive is currently meeting to discuss new restrictions. Rumours of a 6 week lockdown of hospitality and non-essential retail from Christmas Eve. Also read that apparently restricting the opening hours of essential retail, requiring them to close st 8pm, is being considered. I don't get the point of that. Surely people going to shops and supermarkets to get groceries being restricted to certain times will just result in those places being busier during those hours?

I always go to the shop or supermarket at like 10pm these days to avoid it being busy.

I still can’t understand why supermarkets haven’t opened 24/7. Went the other morning to Tesco and 7am and just drove off there was that many fuckers there.

[Spikey M]

Getting enough cunts to take it is the problem.

That is one of the potential shambles I was thinking of.

[Shindig]

35,000 new cases, although Wales misplaced 15,000 of theirs. As you do. Tier 3's done the North East alright, I guess. Everyone else is fucked.

[Raoul Duke]

Thinking about this, I wonder where the constraint in the vaccine supply chain is? If it's in manufacturing then we should be out temporarily requisitioning various chemical-making facilities/perfume manufacturers or whatever has the necessary kit to churn it out at mass volume. I can't imagine it's in storage/transport as we probably have shitloads of that at flexible capacity/scale

[Shindig]

There's a lot when you really think about it. Even if you had the millions to go, you can't have thousands upon thousands lining car parks to take the jab. Not in this climate. Storage is tricky with the -70c operating window. In conventional fridge you've only got six days before it goes south. And the fact it's a two jab process means you have to hold doses back for patients who are due their second.

[randomlegend]

Possibly questionable sources but of no worse quality than RedditLad's offerings, I'm hearing Easter Monday as possible date of exit from tier system. Monday 5 April. Clear out the calendars, line up the dealers and brasses, we're bringing in the new tax year in some style boys.

My coronavirus sources have been absolutely spot on so you can suck a fat one.

[randomlegend]

Thinking about this, I wonder where the constraint in the vaccine supply chain is? If it's in manufacturing then we should be out temporarily requisitioning various chemical-making facilities/perfume manufacturers or whatever has the necessary kit to churn it out at mass volume. I can't imagine it's in storage/transport as we probably have shitloads of that at flexible capacity/scale

I think with the Pfizer vaccine it is indeed storage. Has to be stored at -80 as I'm sure you've seen, and once it's defrosted it has to be used (that's the only reason I've had one).

Once one of the other two gets going it'll start rolling out much more widely I imagine.

[Don]

Calm down lad but apparently this one is from Carrie Symonds' friend. Talk about horse's mouth.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I genuinely know someone (although we haven't met for years) who has 'bedded' Carrie Symonds.

[Spikey M]

We're going to need some more information.

As in context, not a breakdown of the romp. Although that's welcome too.

Is it only a romp if a public figure is involved?

[Boydy]

I genuinely know someone (although we haven't met for years) who has 'bedded' Carrie Symonds.

Is it Harry Cole?

[Lewis]

Amigo the sly dog.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Is it Harry Cole?

It isn't (I'm not a rah rah coke-snorting cunt so don't know Harry Cole), although I suspect he and my guy are not the only two to have preceded Sir Boris Johnson in her pink susan.

[Don]

The return to the gym was emotional tonight. Was very dead which is good yet there was still one or two tings about, they're being sensible and not following that beyond ridicule 'masks between exercising' bollocks so can leave yours in your locker and although all the rules aren't conducive to a relaxing experience at the sauna/steam rooms, its absolutely miles better than nothing.

[Queenslander]

This Sydney outbreak is at 28 with 1 one woman travelling to QLD. Brisbane is definitely overdue for a second wave.

All started because 2 boomers went straight to an RSL instead of isolating untill they got their test results.

Also Gladys wasnt forcing international aircrew into quarantine inbetween flights. If the Liberal party ran all the States along with the Federal Govenment we would be spitting out American numbers.

Edit: She drove back to NSW from the Sunshine Coast in QLD :lol:

[Queenslander]

Cheers Gladys you hopeless cunt.


Members of an international airline crew breached self-isolation rules after flying into Sydney from South America

Thirteen crew members were issued with $1,000 fines by NSW Police

From next week international airline crews will face mandatory hotel quarantine in NSW

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-18/airline-crew-fined-by-police-for-breaching-covid-self-isolation/12997524?utm_medium=social&utm_content=sf241228997&utm_campaign=fb_abc_news&utm_source=m.facebook.com&sf241228997=1

[Giggles]

:drool:


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[Queenslander]

:drool:

[Magic]

He said Mr Heasman was wearing the mask "like a hat" and refused to comply with a requirement that he cover his mouth and nose.

:D

[Spikey M]

Idiocy all round right there.

[Offshore Toon]

Should chuck all the mongs that don't cover their noses with their masks in jail. And people who lift masks down to talk.

[Baz]

And people who pull their mask down to unlock their phones cos they won't wait 1 second for the 'use passcode' option.

[Giggles]

My phone has started unlocking with my mask on in the past week. Only for one of my masks though.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Last night in the mini supermarket I had some teenagers behind me in the queue who came up so close behind me I could feel their breath (no masks, obvs) on the back of my neck. They then tried to push right past me into the plexiglass booth when I finished paying, rather than letting me come out first like a normal person would, even outside a pandemic. Is it considered hard man stuff these days to not wear masks and flaunt social distancing? These were the sort of kids you get in the south east who spend their lives bitterly, bitterly regretting that they are not black, and trying to make out like they are.

[Disco]

How is phonics?

[Spikey M]

One of the cunts that's off my wife's work with Covid has sent her son round her sisters house (who also works there and should be isolating) as they had some cunt dressed up as an Elf round there and she 'didn't want him to miss out'. They've also put pictures on Facebook of it all and are now attempting to use the Dominic Cummings defence against the onslaught of comments.

As shit as BoJo and his crew are, this is why we're so fucked.

[Ian]

they had some cunt dressed up as an Elf round there

As part of a kids party or something? Or did they decide to randomly just hire an elf?

I realise I'm not looking at the main point of the post here but that jumped out at me.

[Spikey M]

As part of a kids party or something? Or did they decide to randomly just hire an elf?

I realise I'm not looking at the main point of the post here but that jumped out at me.

From the pictures it looks like they've hired one to go round. It was a giant elf on a shelf.

[Kikó]

It was a nightmare on the tube last week with a good 40-50% not wearing masks. Fuck off you fucking fuckers.

[Yevrah]

At this point they all need rounding up, those with a genuine medical reason not to wear one released and the remainder cleansed from the gene pool.

[Magic]

Those neck snood scarf things middle-aged men wear...:sick:

[Baz]

Goes well with their petrol station oakleys.

[randomlegend]

At this point they all need rounding up, those with a genuine medical reason not to wear one released and the remainder cleansed from the gene pool.

I don't believe there are any legitimate medical reasons not to wear one to be quite honest.

Some sort of severe phobia I suppose.

[Disco]

It should be permissible to punch any of the mouth-but-not-nose brigade in their unnecessarily exposed conks.

[Ian]

I don't believe there are any legitimate medical reasons not to wear one to be quite honest.

Some sort of severe phobia I suppose.

I dunno man, the woman in my local shop who apparently couldn't wear one because of her 'bad legs' sounds pretty legit to me.

[Spikey M]

I don't believe there are any legitimate medical reasons not to wear one to be quite honest.

Some sort of severe phobia I suppose.

I think my wife falls into this category. She does have scarring of the lungs after a dose of Pneumonia and mild asthma, so she's exempt (twice), but I do think the reason she struggles to wear them is purely psychological. She got in a bit of a state the first time she tried to wear one and had to leave the shop to take it off more or less straight away. She's not normally like that about anything either, she's pretty chilled about everything normally.

I forget I have one on after about 10 seconds of masking up.

[Lewis]

Has anyone asked about the eyeholes?

[Lewis]

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:lol:

[Giggles]

:cool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Did you see that thing in the New York Times whereby they admitted they were prioritisng health workers first because the 'old', as a group, are 'too white'? America has completely lost the plot.

[Queenslander]

Sydney people are fleeing to QLD incase the close they State borers again. :moop:

[Spikey M]

2 of my (unconnected) mates have posted about their positive test results on Facebook today. It is absolutely rife around here. There are going to be some ugly death tolls come January (not that anyone cares about those anymore).

[Don]

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending4december2020

The excess deaths are at around 2k a week. In April they were close to 10k. Open the clubs.

[Lofty]

Last night in the mini supermarket I had some teenagers behind me in the queue who came up so close behind me I could feel their breath (no masks, obvs) on the back of my neck. They then tried to push right past me into the plexiglass booth when I finished paying, rather than letting me come out first like a normal person would, even outside a pandemic. Is it considered hard man stuff these days to not wear masks and flaunt social distancing? These were the sort of kids you get in the south east who spend their lives bitterly, bitterly regretting that they are not black, and trying to make out like they are.

I have seen a bit of this round here with young chavs looking very pleased with themselves that they aren't wearing a mask in Tesco, etc. Think it is definitely one for those who enjoy winding people up.

[Jimmy Floyd]

2 of my (unconnected) mates have posted about their positive test results on Facebook today. It is absolutely rife around here. There are going to be some ugly death tolls come January (not that anyone cares about those anymore).

I haven't looked everywhere, but Southend seems to be one of the worst hit places in the country currently. About 1 in 200 people have it there.

South Wales absolutely riven with it and have been for weeks, how have they managed that?

[Spikey M]

I haven't looked everywhere, but Southend seems to be one of the worst hit places in the country currently. About 1 in 200 people have it there.

South Wales absolutely riven with it and have been for weeks, how have they managed that?

It's pretty fucking bad. I know or know of more people that have had it in the last few weeks than I have in the last 9 months. We were only ~6th in Essex last time I looked too. Basildon were top and nearly double our case load.

[Lewis]

I liked that polling about more people intending to form bubbles than support the rules being relaxed.

'Why is Boris making us do this?'

[Jimmy Floyd]

I reckon they might ban inter-regional travel tomorrow, which will cheer everyone up. Really had enough of this. People's anxiety etc must be going through the roof.

[Spikey M]

If my wife's work chat is anything to go by, yeah. I'm still sitting tight in apathy.

[Lewis]

I drove home today, but my rental ran out today so I was homeless anyway. :cool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

TTH is by definition full of hard, cynical bastards, the normies must all be withering away in silence. I'm OK by myself (so far) but only because I have escapist hobbies that fill the vast stretches of time. People who live in flats with people they hate, or in abusive relationships, or alone and don't get out to work like I do, I feel really sorry for them.

It's not even fostering any kind of blitz spirit, I don't think. The clapping was just mawkish bullshit and hasn't been repeated. I read something way back in the first lockdown which noted how there is no great plague literature like there is for wars/revolutions, because plagues don't have any heroes, they are just totally miserable and people never want to speak of them again.

[mugbull]

Did you see that thing in the New York Times whereby they admitted they were prioritisng health workers first because the 'old', as a group, are 'too white'? America has completely lost the plot.

I wanna see that. I highly doubt that is the case. Frontline workers make more sense to get it first because of the viral loads they receive

[Yevrah]

It's stuff like this that also really pisses me off (from a BBC article):


Prof Linda Bauld, Professor of Public Health at the University of Edinburgh, said this policy, "increasingly looks like the wrong decision at the wrong time.

"By allowing travel around the UK and changing guidance to allow household mixing indoors we are setting ourselves up for a miserable January with tough restrictions."

What world do these people live in where any part of this hasn't been miserable? And January's always an awful month anyway.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Found it now - it's not the reason they are doing it, but the reason professor brainstorm here says they should be doing it:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/05/health/covid-vaccine-first.html


Harald Schmidt, an expert in ethics and health policy at the University of Pennsylvania, said that it is reasonable to put essential workers ahead of older adults, given their risks, and that they are disproportionately minorities. “Older populations are whiter, ” Dr. Schmidt said. “Society is structured in a way that enables them to live longer. Instead of giving additional health benefits to those who already had more of them, we can start to level the playing field a bit.”

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's stuff like this that also really pisses me off (from a BBC article):



What world do these people live in where any part of this hasn't been miserable? And January's always an awful month anyway.

Public health academics, like all academics, are only in this to try and be proven right.

[Queenslander]

Northern Beaches in Sydney are in an stage 3 lockdown by the sounds of it.

Christmas in Tony Abbott country is ruined. Lol

[Yevrah]

Something else dawned on me today, almost everything I think about is from the perspective of there being a pandemic (even when I'm thinking of simpler times) and I'm beginning to forget what normal life was like as a result.

[Lewis]

Found it now - it's not the reason they are doing it, but the reason professor brainstorm here says they should be doing it:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/05/health/covid-vaccine-first.html

This logic would put men well ahead of women in the queue. Let's go.

[Spoonsky]

Found it now - it's not the reason they are doing it, but the reason professor brainstorm here says they should be doing it:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/05/health/covid-vaccine-first.html

I always find it interesting the way that stuff like the Stanford thing Lewis posted - with the Lees of the world getting vaccinated before the RLs - is passed over in silence, whereas a single quote from a single doctor taking a ‘woke’ position (which is totally idiotic, it’s true) becomes evidence that the entire country has lost the plot.

The fundamental problem of this country is inequality, not political correctness (or ‘wokeness’ as they say today). Wokeness is just a debatable response to that basic problem.

[Luca]

Those need not be mutually exclusive. Both are good pieces of evidence that the US has lost the plot.

[Spikey M]

TTH is by definition full of hard, cynical bastards, the normies must all be withering away in silence. I'm OK by myself (so far) but only because I have escapist hobbies that fill the vast stretches of time. People who live in flats with people they hate, or in abusive relationships, or alone and don't get out to work like I do, I feel really sorry for them.

It's not even fostering any kind of blitz spirit, I don't think. The clapping was just mawkish bullshit and hasn't been repeated. I read something way back in the first lockdown which noted how there is no great plague literature like there is for wars/revolutions, because plagues don't have any heroes, they are just totally miserable and people never want to speak of them again.

During the first lockdown, we started a little memory box for the kids, just paintings and drawings they did, photos, things like that. The eldest is old enough that she will hold some memory of all this, but the youngest won't.

Anyway, fast forward a few months and that already seems mental and we fucked the lot off to the nearest bin. +1 for Team Never Speak Of This Again.

[Spikey M]

"The Oxford Vaccine" is a go before the end of the year apparently.

[Andy]

I met someone at work who was having the Oxford trial, she had some eye condition (she told me the name but I can't remember it) and that apparently she wasn't the first one to have a bleed on the eye after the trial. She seemed to think the complications for people with eye problems was part of the hold up.

[Ian]

So what you're saying is it protects you from the rona but gives you the Rage virus from 28 Days Later?

[Spikey M]

Atleast it's a cooler virus.

[Ian]

To be honest there are portions of the population (statue nonces, members of the Cabinet, Harry Maguire) for whom it might actually be an improvement.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The fundamental problem of this country is inequality, not political correctness (or ‘wokeness’ as they say today). Wokeness is just a debatable response to that basic problem.

It's a combination of the two - the utterly mental Trumpist position and the also utterly mental (but probably held by fewer people, albeit many with a strong voice) 'woke' or whatever you want to call it position. There is no pragmatism in either of those camps.

The powerful woke voices drive the average Joe away from wanting to solve the inequality problem. Knee-taking and all this is basically an accusation that most people are racist - maybe they are, but you won't solve anything with gestures and insults. Same goes for any other country.

[Shindig]

"For two of them, it's beyond that. We hope there's light at the end of the tunnel, but some are finding it a struggle.

"It's had a damaging effect....it won't be a week or two (before they return) - it's going to be longer than that.

"We hope they recover properly and I will give them the time to recover because it's about the welfare of them and their long-term health.

"If one or two of them have got long-term Covid, like it seems, then it's very difficult to manage."

Consider the possibility Alan Saint Maximin never plays again. :| Or at least this season.

[Don]

Me and Alain being bros and instigating all the gash during our stay at the long COVID hospital :cool:

Some of you seem to be losing the plot by the risk of you having your brussel sprouts denied from you with further restrictions. Do you realise how big a hypocrites you are?

[Baz]

I met someone at work who was having the Oxford trial, she had some eye condition (she told me the name but I can't remember it) and that apparently she wasn't the first one to have a bleed on the eye after the trial. She seemed to think the complications for people with eye problems was part of the hold up.

Retinal detachment?
Keratoconus?
Glaucoma?

[Andy]

Retinal detachment?
Keratoconus?
Glaucoma?

Pretty sure it was Glaucoma that she said.

[Lewis]

The lol thing about vaccinating managers and ethnics over doctors and old people is simply that it is all either about saving lives or it isn't. If you want to save lives as many lives as possible you would roll it out in the sort of order that we are (and presumably how other countries are). If old people aren't a priority because they're white and better off, why have we done any of this?

[randomlegend]

The stuff about not vaccinating the old because they are too white isn't about creating equality, it's about revenge
Americans are an in unbelievably vengeful nation.

[Queenslander]

The stuff about not vaccinating the old because they are too white isn't about creating equality, it's about revenge
Americans are an in unbelievably vengeful nation.

Failed state

[Boydy]

To be honest there are portions of the population (statue nonces, members of the Cabinet, Harry Maguire) for whom it might actually be an improvement.

What have you got against Yev?

[Ian]

:D

Yev's fine, I suspect he'd only have been out defending any if they were being critiqued as a spectacle.

[igor_balis]

Retinal detachment?
Keratoconus?
Glaucoma?

I detached my retina when i was 21. By the time i thought to actually go to the opticians i was a couple of months away from losing the sight in that eye completely. What an idiot.

[Kikó]

Everyone in the house has their results back as negative except me who hasn't received anything. Great news for the parents and nan but annoyingly I have no idea if it means I'm positive or it's just going to take longer to process.

[SvN]

Mine arrived 24 hours after my wife's and son's negative results. I assumed it meant I was positive, but it was negative.

[Kikó]

Cheers for the reassurance. Called them and the lady on the phone thinks it will arrive today still.

[Spikey M]

Ours arrived over a 48 hour period. All negative. I don't think there's anything to read into the timings.

[Shindig]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55376008

Unexpected.

[randomlegend]

I'm surprised the Americans haven't tried shooting the virus or blowing it up.

[Lewis]

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I was convinced early doors his family were exploiting him, so Merry Christmas me.

[Kikó]

I'm sure it's exactly how he wanted the donations spent.

[Lewis]

It appears to have been comped by British Airways and the tourist board as part of #CaptainTomsBucketList. Harry Leslie Smith's son must be kicking himself.

[Shindig]

Pffft. He could've walked that.

[Lewis]

'Don't forget your *jacket*...', and he just sighs as he hears the medals rattling.

[Kikó]

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[Jimmy Floyd]

Just as well we all did as we were told all year.

[Alex]

The incoming meltdown from my Mum will be fun when both my brothers don't come home for Christmas. Unless they just ignore it, which I would be a strong advocate of at this point.

[Don]

Tier 4 :D

You bunch of useless cunts brought this on for swallowing their erection whole for the last 9 months. What time is the presser?

[Jimmy Floyd]

4pm. My stay in Tier 3 is going to last around 16 hours.

[Shindig]

There's a bloke on my facebook who seems personally attacked that the North-East is in Tier 3. If the 'Southern political elites' had it in for the North-East they'd be taking us down a tier.

[Boydy]

So like 5:30pm then?

[Smjffy]

So much for that light at the end of the tunnel, init.

What a joke.

[Jimmy Floyd]

So like 5:30pm then?

Yes or whenever they can be bothered. When we used to play Harrow School at cricket (we stopped playing Eton because they stole all our stuff one year), they would always turn up three hours late. It's a sign of a terrible superiority complex.

[Spikey M]

That's Magic with full blown Icke syndrome.

[Lewis]

Is this Tesco advert about 'no naughty lists this year' not condoning paedophilia?

[niko_cee]

Just arrived in Brighton for Christmas and it's going into a hitherto unknown tier.

:happycry:

Not that it makes any odds to me, and I did just get a double bacon big mac (what an abomination :drool: ) so swings and roundabouts.

[Lewis]

It sounds like (Central?) London and bits of Essex and Kent, but Sky News is telling me to bin the turkey. Slow down mongs.

[thommo]

What a crock of shit. Who is actually going to follow these rules anyway?

[Baz]

Library near me is a testing centre so gonna be an anxious half an hour on Christmas Eve to find out if I can go see my parents for Christmas dinner. :uhoh:

[Boydy]

Is this Tesco advert about 'no naughty lists this year' not condoning paedophilia?

:lol:

[randomlegend]

The attitude that we should be allowed to see each other at Christmas because we've been doing as we were told is one of the most childish things I've ever seen.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Well it's the approach that the government seems to have been designing its policy around for the last 3 months, so you can forgive people for building it in.

[Spikey M]

It's mental that they announced we were going to be able to a month ahead of time.

Going by my area, this is the right decision, but fuck me this cunt doesn't half enjoy making things difficult.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Looks like I might get away with Tier 3, thoughts to Spikey and friends in Tier 4. Mahow might be borderline.

[Boydy]

How much of a rush to the shops is this going to cause now too? Presumably loads of people had planned to go see their families so hadn't got food in for the Christmas window period. Now they'll have to go to the supermarkets. There'll be fights over turkeys.

[Spikey M]

As long as Mahow gets 4'd it will be worth it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

How much of a rush to the shops is this going to cause now too? Presumably loads of people had planned to go see their families so hadn't got food in for the Christmas window period. Now they'll have to go to the supermarkets. There'll be fights over turkeys.

Hopefully such shortages end the bullshit turkey tradition and starts a new tradition of every family eating their favourite meal at Christmas instead.

[Lewis]

I didn't see the point of a Christmas break, but if it is a 'new' strain then it's more unlucky than anything.

[Lewis]

As long as Mahow gets 4'd it will be worth it.

That big empty house his step-mum has to herself would have been ideal for a distanced dinner as well.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Looks like I might get away with Tier 3, thoughts to Spikey and friends in Tier 4. Mahow might be borderline.

If they do it by county we're fucked.

North Herts should still be in tier 2 really.

[Spikey M]

Also "Mahow is Borderline" is a universal truth. He should get it tattooed on.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If they do it by county we're fucked.

North Herts should still be in tier 2 really.

If you're north you'll be alright.

[Baz]

Interesting that Liverpool got to 600 cases per 1000 and it was tier 3 and just ‘scruffy northerners, don’t wash their hands’ but areas in the south east are up to 200 cases per 1000 and a new tier is created, schools are closed, and the government start to care.

The north south divide will never go away.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

As long as Mahow gets 4'd it will be worth it.

Family decided the other week not to bother meeting up anyway.

Me and my Mum are going to my Sisters (as she's in our household bubble) and that will be it.

[Lewis]

I wonder what Harold is doing.

[Spikey M]

Interesting that Liverpool got to 600 cases per 1000 and it was tier 3 and just ‘scruffy northerners, don’t wash their hands’ but areas in the south west are up to 200 cases per 1000 and a new tier is created, schools are closed, and the government start to care.

The north south divide will never go away.

The South West is having restrictions eased? It's the South East getting Tier 4 and areas like Basildon are at 500+ and increasing quickly. It was 400 last week.

[Baz]

I meant south east. Soz. Was cos I wrote north west originally but switched to Liverpool, and got my words crossed.

And still well below Liverpool City Region numbers.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's at 800 or more in parts of north Kent and Essex, which is where the Tier 4 will be.

[Baz]

Dirty southerners, don’t wash their hands.

Point still stands though. There was no sign of schools closing up north when we were on our arses.

I never expected mass testing for those without symptoms to be so successful though.

[randomlegend]

Well it's the approach that the government seems to have been designing its policy around for the last 3 months, so you can forgive people for building it in.

No, the government has been working on the idea that if everyone stuck to everything strictly in the buildup then hopefully things would be well controlled enough that we could get away with relaxing restrictions over Christmas.

It wasn't a reward for being well behaved that might be unfairly taken away. It's that if things aren't sufficiently well under control then it may not be safe to proceed with the plans and they will rightly have to change them.

[Spikey M]

RL now defending the Tories from Jimmy's attack?

[thommo]

I drove back to Berkshire from Wales yesterday so it’s not like I’m going to change my plans now and head back home. Surely people are just going to do what they like anyway.

[Lewis]

The Christmas stuff was the government meeting people half-way and trying to put some sort of limits on what would have been people doing what they wanted.

[Kikó]

One of the better Boris Johnson speeches.

[Yevrah]

This new variant sounds fun.

[Yevrah]

One of the better Boris Johnson speeches.

Yeah, he's been on point here.

[Lewis]

The world-beating British virus. :cool:

[Baz]

Changing from being allowed to mix 3 bubbles “over the Christmas period” (23-27th) to now just being “on Christmas Day,” presuming people actually follow the rules, is going to have a negative effect, surely? Like my plans were to see my parents on Christmas Day, and then visit my in-laws on Boxing Day. Now Boris is forcing me to visit both on the same day and risk spreading germs.

I will be sticking to my original plan.

[ScousePig]

One of the better Boris Johnson speeches.

A shame it's come too late, as usual.

[Yevrah]

Changing from being allowed to mix 3 bubbles “over the Christmas period” (23-27th) to now just being “on Christmas Day,” presuming people actually follow the rules, is going to have a negative effect, surely? Like my plans were to see my parents on Christmas Day, and then visit my in-laws on Boxing Day. Now Boris is forcing me to visit both on the same day and risk spreading germs.

I will be sticking to my original plan.

Did you not risk spreading germs seeing them on separate days?

[Baz]

Did you not risk spreading germs seeing them on separate days?I’d shower and change my clothes overnight.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Are you changing your lungs at the same time?

[Manc]

This light at the end of the tunnel nonsense needs to stop.

[thommo]

It’s a drain to be told to follow the rules for months and months, and to be given the carrot of a few days to spend with your family over Christmas, only with less than a week to go, be told it’s cancelled and this dreary lockdown is to continue indefinitely.

I haven’t seen my parents for 10 months (and subsequently my daughter hasn’t seen her grandparents for that long either) and it’s a real fucking mental drag in all honesty.

My parents both had COVID less than 6 weeks ago, so I really don’t think it’s an issue to spend Christmas with them, just for some small enjoyment in a really depressing year, even though they’re in Tier 4.

[Boydy]

Remember earlier in the week when the government launched legal action against a council in London to keep schools open?

[randomlegend]

Remember earlier in the week when the government launched legal action against a council in London to keep schools open?

Yeah I mean there's no doubt this government are completely retarded (lol at their plans to get school staff to swab kids), but this casting them as the wicked stepmother who cancelled Christmas is equally retarded.

[Jimmy Floyd]

This light at the end of the tunnel nonsense needs to stop.

What do you suggest, misery forever?

[Spikey M]

Yeah I mean there's no doubt this government are completely retarded (lol at their plans to get school staff to swab kids), but this casting them as the wicked stepmother who cancelled Christmas is equally retarded.

They promised everyone they could see their families over Christmas and now they're saying they can't. If you can't understand why that has pissed people off, then you belong on the retarded list right along with them champ.

[Lewis]

Hopefully 'Boris Johnson knew' - or #BJK for short - becomes a Christmas trend.

[randomlegend]

They promised everyone they could see their families over Christmas and now they're saying they can't. If you can't understand why that has pissed people off, then you belong on the retarded list right along with them champ.

Yeah, because there's a global pandemic on and cases are getting out of control (not in small part due to a new strain). The real issue is that they had to promise people things to get them to behave, because unfortunately people are fucking toddlers.

If they'd said "we really hope you'll be able to see family at Christmas if everyone sticks to the rules, but we can't predict exactly how things will go and so we can't make promises", how do you think people would have acted?

[Manc]

What do you suggest, misery forever?

Realism.

[Smjffy]

Wales going into lockdown from midnight too.

[Spikey M]

Yeah, because there's a global pandemic on and cases are getting out of control (not in small part due to a new strain). The real issue is that they had to promise people things to get them to behave, because unfortunately people are fucking toddlers.

If they'd said "we really hope you'll be able to see family at Christmas if everyone sticks to the rules, but we can't predict exactly how things will go and so we can't make promises", how do you think people would have acted?

When exactly did you drink the Tory Kool-Aid?

[Lewis]

Keir 'Sir Keir Starmer' Starmer here, saying that a) they support this; b) but it has ruined people's plans; c) which he wouldn't have let them make anyway; d) Boris Johnson should be more decisive.

[Baz]

This new strain is made up anyway, just so they can blame it for London’s rates rocketing. No other countries* have this new strain.

[Giggles]

I’m surprised we haven’t seen it if you have it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

When exactly did you drink the Tory Kool-Aid?

Give me a few more posts and I'll have him arguing that the NHS should be sold off to American private equity.

[randomlegend]

This new strain is made up anyway, just so they can blame it for London’s rates rocketing. No other countries* have this new strain.

Yeah...because it mutated here and will take time to spread to other countries. Like fucking hell.

[Smjffy]

Forgetting the care/health side of things, I mean, Matt Hancock, Nadine Dorries and that other useless bint Helen Whately mean there's no salvaging that but the quoted part above. That's all it's been is one giant political game to them all. Playing games with our lives, our jobs, our businesses.

Public has to take responsibility for not using common sense (hurrah) but the misguided messages, cheap point scoring, the he said she said bollocks and still, eight months later, we have no exit plan. Nothing.

Even Wales, we'll come out of our Firebreak and go back in before the end of the year without a doubt. England the same. There won't be a vaccine and anyone expecting one is a deluded fuckwit. It's just lies, lies, lies.

We're fucked. Absolutely fucked.

How long before news that the vaccine isn't any good for this supposed new strain?

Get to fuck.

[Spikey M]

Give me a few more posts and I'll have him arguing that the NHS should be sold off to American private equity.

If you had posted what he just did he'd be accusing you of raping Thatchers ashes right now.

[randomlegend]

How long before news that the vaccine isn't any good for this supposed new strain?

Get to fuck.

The vaccine will still work.

[Giggles]

The vaccine will still work.

They seemed to know that very quickly.

[Shindig]

Keir 'Sir Keir Starmer' Starmer here, saying that a) they support this; b) but it has ruined people's plans; c) which he wouldn't have let them make anyway; d) Boris Johnson should be more decisive.

Yeah, he's a bit shit. Boris doesn't help with his jingoistic wank, though. He hates being the bearer of bad news. Tony Blair would be all up for this. Get your Diana voice on, Tony and let's fucking do this.

[Manc]

Kuenssberg is now starring in her own features. Make it stop.

[Spikey M]

Imagine Milliband leading us through this.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If there's one thing worse than this pandemic, it's the thought of the same pandemic but with Tony Blair simpering his way through the press conferences in his shit vicar voice.

Gordon Brown would have suited it, with his doom face, doom voice and just general air of doom.

[randomlegend]

They seemed to know that very quickly.

Yeah, because of how the vaccine works (it's stimulates a response against the spike protein with the virus uses to enter the host cell, and that hasn't changed with the mutation)

[Smjffy]

The vaccine will still work.

Will it work or will it wor£?

[randomlegend]

Go sit in the corner with magic.

[Spikey M]

Will it work or will it wor£?

Rein it in you plonker.