Coronavirus Death Thread

[Browning]

Where are all those vaccines you promised us years ago 7om? Have you cured everything yet?

[7om]

Where are all those vaccines you promised us years ago 7om? Have you cured everything yet?

Two of the projects I was on are in clinical trials now, so that's nice. I left the company though. I'm in medical school now.

[Boydy]

The Niko article :happycry:

Pull up the pages of the thread where we discussed the Bournemouth/Sydney/etc beach pics and publically humiliate every cretin that said a bad word about man enjoying mother nature in the most natural of acts.

My short and long-term recall is fully burned out thanks to this so I will be sweating I am not one of said cretins.
Sounds like long covid.

[Don]

Let's not scaremonger, I'm hoping it's just as a result of the unrelenting nature of the disgusting routine alongside the daily screen time averaging approximately 34.5 hours and the constant information consumption that brings with it.

I'm pinning a lot of my hopes on the sun.

[Jimmy Floyd]

No outdoor meeting up until Easter, says the Sun. Absolutely ridiculous approach.

I mean I've still been going to the office all year ffs.

[Shindig]

It'll take years for covid to slink into the background.

[Jimmy Floyd]

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I wish those bookshelves would fall on her.

'The Science', having spent months saying that vaccines are the way out, have now shifted to being basically anti-vaxxers, constantly downplaying the effects of vaccines.

[Yevrah]

There's that line again, "nobody wants another national lockdown" we're in one FFS.

[Yevrah]

On the vaccine point, I'm also starting to wonder what discernable difference there would be in the approach THE SCIENCE would love to follow in easing restrictions if we hadn't vaccinated anyone. I'm struggling to see any.

[Jimmy Floyd]

No vaccines / no hope of vaccines now is an interesting counterfactual. Aside from the smallish vaccine effect being seen particularly in the deaths data in the last week or so (this will now accelerate through the next week), everything else would be basically the same until now, so I think if anything the unlocking prospects would be much worse. They'd fully embrace the zero-covid bollocks and look to go full Australia, but from a terrible starting point. Lockdown would go on more or less forever until transmission hit 0, and Sunak would just have to do a colossal rolling bailout for various industries and bankrupt us forever. In that scenario I think people's resolve would actually break a bit (eventually).

I am sensing resolve breaking a bit now, though, whatever the polling numbers say. Everyone in the office at work is at the end of their tether. Maybe that's a self-selecting sample who all share the life-draining trait of coming to the office and doing nothing else, but I don't know. It feels different.

[Yevrah]

Resolve is definitely breaking and I don't know what that lunatic is doing saying people are following the rules well, as they were last year. They're not and it's been slowly getting worse.

A friend of mine offered to bring his own cutlery round when he visited my garden last year (when he was allowed to), fast forward 6 months and he has no intention of not coming round again before it's probably allowed in May, let alone bringing his own knife and fork.

[bruhnaldo]

Man I read that 3 times and still don’t get it

His resolve to follow the rules is breaking so now he’s not coming over again ?

[Lewis]

Yeah, however well people have been sticking to not having people in their house, anyone liable to go and meet somebody for a walk has never stopped doing so. What a genuinely mental attempt at a concession that is. Why don't they just say we can't do anything until we see what happens after schools go back instead of that wank?

[Yevrah]

His resolve is breaking so he's probably up for coming over prior to May even if the rules don't allow it by then.

I did word it in a piss poor way though.

[Yevrah]

Yeah, however well people have been sticking to not having people in their house, anyone liable to go and meet somebody for a walk has never stopped doing so. What a genuinely mental attempt at a concession that is. Why don't they just say we can't do anything until we see what happens after schools go back instead of that wank?

I can only assume they're absolute loving being front and centre and the power has gone to their heads. Which is a problem with human nature, no matter what game you're in or how well your intentions were when you started said game.

The way she's coming across is batshit, of course the government should be listening to what the scientists are saying, but they've far more to take on board than that alone, so blindly following what they say is moronic. It'd be like letting the specialist department of a business completely direct the strategy for everything else. No one works in that way and a government sure as shit shouldn't.

[Spikey M]

If there was no vaccine / no hope of a vaccine the decision would come down to either Zero Covid or Herd Immunity.

Zero Covid without vaccines would mean decades of lockdowns and restrictions on international travel, so Herd immunity would be the answer and we'd probably all be on the Rameses Revenge with our nans as we speak.

[Kikó]

Isn't the issue that vaccines take time to give and then to become effective? It is probably just a mental expectation that you had jab = immediate restriction lift. Unfortunately if there's a 3 month period from jab to completion then you need to hold the course or the effectiveness of the vaccine is at risk.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Seen some interesting stuff about how lockdown fatigue may well be setting in now, certainly among the under 40s, social interactions seem to have ticked up in the last week by whatever means they measure that. I'm not sure what happened but I just sensed a quite sudden change both in my own mood and of those around me about a week - 10 days ago. If cases stay steady as a result then it will be interesting to see the government response. Lockdown, of course, only exists by consent - there are no cops forcing us into our homes at gunpoint like there were in China.

And on that note, I'm meeting a mate for a 'walk' this morning.

[Shindig]

Isn't the issue that vaccines take time to give and then to become effective? It is probably just a mental expectation that you had jab = immediate restriction lift. Unfortunately if there's a 3 month period from jab to completion then you need to hold the course or the effectiveness of the vaccine is at risk.

That and we've bet big on the vaccine that showed the least effectiveness (aside from China's 49% horror show) in clinical trials. Moderna's and Pfizers showed up great against variants, AstraZeneca's didn't.

[Baz]

Has the roadmap leaked yet?

[7om]

That and we've bet big on the vaccine that showed the least effectiveness (aside from China's 49% horror show) in clinical trials. Moderna's and Pfizers showed up great against variants, AstraZeneca's didn't.

What’s the 49%? The sinopharm vaccine actually has very strong data supporting it.

Regarding the variants, we only have data on mild-moderate disease right now. The prediction is that the AstraZeneca vaccine will have >80% protection against severe disease. The Janssen vaccine showed good effectiveness and the AstraZeneca uses the same technology.

[Shindig]

There was a report a couple of months back about a Chinese jab hitting 49% but I don't know if that was another one they had in development. As for lockdown easing, it begins on 8th March with allowing care home residents one visitor.


They will be able to meet indoors and hold hands - but visitors must wear PPE and be tested before entering the home.

Which is fair.

[mo]

Has the roadmap leaked yet?

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[Don]

That list :happycry:

Testing centres will go up in flames and I will bask in the warmth.

[Manc]

Another month down the drain. :face:

[randomlegend]

Booked in for dose 2 of the Pfizer jab Wednesday. :swing:

[Shindig]

You're still watching people die for a living.

[Spikey M]

We went to see the (already vaccinated) in laws in their garden earlier, then went for a walk with the wife's (already had Covid) Uncle.

Crime really is very satisfying. Might go shop lifting in a bit.

[Jimmy Floyd]

God it's glorious getting out and meeting someone. Walked around the cricket ground about 6 times with my mate, like visiting another universe.

I don't understand why they have to get all kids back indoors at the same time (can you not do 2/3 days a week each year group or something so you get the educational/mental benefits for the kids, but have half the numbers on site at once?), but completely harmless outdoor activities are still going to be banned for weeks.

[Shindig]

Something tells me we'll be mass vaccinating the kids at some point anyway.

[7om]

My personal prediction is that it will be touch-n-go on whether kids will be vaccinated this year. I’d wager vulnerable kids might get it but your average snot nosed 9 year old? Doubtful.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Has any non-vulnerable kid become seriously ill or died from it? I mean, I'm sure one has somewhere, but it must be vanishingly rare.

[Spikey M]

If stopping mutations is a real ambition then it would make sense to vaccinate kids too.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Great news everyone:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EuqP6eMXAAYFaIj?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Boydy]

God it's glorious getting out and meeting someone. Walked around the cricket ground about 6 times with my mate, like visiting another universe.

I don't understand why they have to get all kids back indoors at the same time (can you not do 2/3 days a week each year group or something so you get the educational/mental benefits for the kids, but have half the numbers on site at once?), but completely harmless outdoor activities are still going to be banned for weeks.

It's pretty mental that that is illegal in England. We kept being allowed to meet one person from another household for exercise outside.

[Jimmy Floyd]

No we can do what I did. You just can't sit down on a park bench, or take your golf clubs, or your tennis racket.

[Spikey M]

You can only do what you did if you live on your own and don't meet up with anyone else. Your mate has to be your bubble now and we will be checking up on you.

[7om]

Has any non-vulnerable kid become seriously ill or died from it? I mean, I'm sure one has somewhere, but it must be vanishingly rare.

There was that acute inflammatory response that a few hundred kids suffered from. I remember because the news absolutely shit their pants about it, despite it being incredibly rare.

[-james-]

I just played 4 a side football next to a main road and there were zero fucks given by anyone. Glorious.

[SvN]

How many people went home and Tweeted/Facebooked in outrage, though? That's the real quiz.

[Kikó]

They've been playing tennis locally here for weeks. All three courts were occupied today and Sturgeon did nothing.

[Spikey M]

TTH descending into anarchy. :drool:

[niko_cee]

They've been playing tennis locally here for weeks. All three courts were occupied today and Sturgeon did nothing.

Probably because it has a sufficiently European heritage.

[Shindig]

They might be elite athletes in training. Who knows how much of the ITF rankings is clogged with useless Brits?

[Kikó]

If they're elite, I'm elite.

[Lewis]

And on that note, I'm meeting a mate for a 'walk' this morning.


God it's glorious getting out and meeting someone. Walked around the cricket ground about 6 times with my mate, like visiting another universe.

https://i.imgur.com/8fjs9ej.png

[Shindig]

I just picture you saying that to someone who's won 14 Wheelchair Grand Slams. :D

EDIT: LEWIS. NO!

[Jimmy Floyd]

Probably because it has a sufficiently European heritage.

She'll probably ban the one true Scottish game until the EU have caught up on the vaccines.

[Baz]

TTH descending into anarchy. :drool:Get Carpe Diem back so he can instruct us to stick chewing gum on traffic light buttons again.

[randomlegend]

You're still watching people die for a living.

I work in paeds. My patients almost never die.

[Spikey M]

That post is more fun if you read it in a disappointed voice.

[Jimmy Floyd]

A scan of today's figures tells me that the south is steaming on ahead while the north (or specifically, the rugby league belt of the north) is levelling off completely.

Two theories around this:

- Fewer people able to work from home / socially distance in the north
- Herd immunity in the south vs the new variant

The London figures in particular are mental. Camden, Islington, Westminster, Tower Hamlets are all in the lowest 10 incidence levels in the country.

[7om]

Just been reading through old posts in this thread. Page 153 is an absolute corker.

[Magic]

Bye, unlike you I have work tomorrow.

Carry on with your 2.5k a month.

:D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That was his last post...

What if he was killed at work (or whilst travelling to) that next day?

[Alex]

It's an absolutely belting last post, to be fair.

[Lewis]

The target of vaccinating all adults has been brought forward from September to July. :cool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Even that is way conservative. Will piss it.

[Shindig]

And then send the spares to an African country that'll stockpile it for the ruling classes.

[Dquincy]

Has any non-vulnerable kid become seriously ill or died from it? I mean, I'm sure one has somewhere, but it must be vanishingly rare.

A 13 year old kid, with no known underlying health issues, died yesterday. Allegedly.

[Dquincy]

Someone close to me is refusing the vaccine based on concerns that the MRNA one has never reached stage 3 trials until CV-19 turned up. They are worried about the long term unknown risks of it.

Does anyone have an intelligent counter argument (reassurance) to this?

They are also in their 30's and claim that they don't need a flu jab, so why do they need to take this jab. Again, any intelligent counter to this?

[Shindig]

Covid is not flu. Flu is less fatal. Covid has unknown long-term risks. And a known short term risk that is death.

[Dquincy]

True. But when you consider the percentage risk of dying from it (as someone in their 30's) it really is extremely low risk. I think it's about 0.2%. The long term covid I'm not so sure about the percentage risk though.

I can see their argument, but I'm going to take it if offered.

[Shindig]

Yes, if offered, I'd take it. Mainly to protect others from a thing I might not know I have. If this thing was transmissible at the point of symptoms showing, I'd have a much easier time skipping it.

[Baz]

A scan of today's figures tells me that the south is steaming on ahead while the north (or specifically, the rugby league belt of the north) is levelling off completely.

Two theories around this:

- Fewer people able to work from home / socially distance in the north

Can confirm. Nobody's arsed. And most don't even cover their mouths with their mask, nevermind their nose.

[7om]

Someone close to me is refusing the vaccine based on concerns that the MRNA one has never reached stage 3 trials until CV-19 turned up. They are worried about the long term unknown risks of it.

Does anyone have an intelligent counter argument (reassurance) to this?

They are also in their 30's and claim that they don't need a flu jab, so why do they need to take this jab. Again, any intelligent counter to this?

I think it is reasonable for people to have doubts on the vaccine but I believe it is worth getting.

In the body you’ve got a set of reactions that convert your DNA to mRNA to protein. The protein is then the thing that has a biological effect. An example is your pancreas cells which make insulin.

So if your body is not currently infected, or you have never been infected, your immune system has absolutely no recognition of the virus’ proteins. The vaccine introduces the virus mRNA which then allows the cells to make the virus protein and your immune system is alerted. Then when you come into contact with the virus out in the world, your immune system is already primed to deal with it i.e. you don’t get ill. The vaccine doesn’t modify your DNA or any pseudoscience wank like that.

The short term safety of these vaccines is robust. Granted, we don’t know the long term but you’d imagine they’d be okay. The mRNA that gets injected into you is either converted to the proteins (which are then destroyed by the immune system) or it degrades and is removed as a waste product. In theory, it should be fine.

And lastly, it’s not only about protecting yourself from symptoms but also stopping transmission and infecting other people. We believe the vaccines vastly reduce the transmission rates from person to person.

[Lewis]

Can confirm. Nobody's arsed. And most don't even cover their mouths with their mask, nevermind their nose.

My nan rang me earlier to say she's getting tested Sunday before she goes into hospital for some minor skin cancer removal thing, so if I wanted to come round it had to be today or after her appointment.

[Spikey M]

Someone close to me is refusing the vaccine based on concerns that the MRNA one has never reached stage 3 trials until CV-19 turned up. They are worried about the long term unknown risks of it.

Does anyone have an intelligent counter argument (reassurance) to this?

They are also in their 30's and claim that they don't need a flu jab, so why do they need to take this jab. Again, any intelligent counter to this?

I would probably go with "Lol. Log out of YouTube and shut up you cunt".

[Dquincy]

I would probably go with "Lol. Log out of YouTube and shut up you cunt".

I see you sentiment, Spikerella. And generally I'm all for the vaccinations. However, I don't think you can dismiss people's concerns that flippantly.

Vaccines have historically gone wrong (source: https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Analysis-A-short-history-of-when-vaccines-went-15530841.php). But I do acknowledge medical science has come a long way since then.

[Dquincy]

I think it is reasonable for people to have doubts on the vaccine but I believe it is worth getting.

In the body you’ve got a set of reactions that convert your DNA to mRNA to protein. The protein is then the thing that has a biological effect. An example is your pancreas cells which make insulin.

So if your body is not currently infected, or you have never been infected, your immune system has absolutely no recognition of the virus’ proteins. The vaccine introduces the virus mRNA which then allows the cells to make the virus protein and your immune system is alerted. Then when you come into contact with the virus out in the world, your immune system is already primed to deal with it i.e. you don’t get ill. The vaccine doesn’t modify your DNA or any pseudoscience wank like that.

The short term safety of these vaccines is robust. Granted, we don’t know the long term but you’d imagine they’d be okay. The mRNA that gets injected into you is either converted to the proteins (which are then destroyed by the immune system) or it degrades and is removed as a waste product. In theory, it should be fine.

And lastly, it’s not only about protecting yourself from symptoms but also stopping transmission and infecting other people. We believe the vaccines vastly reduce the transmission rates from person to person.

Thanks 7om, that's really helpful. And I note your comment that we simply do not have enough data to have any evidence of long term risks of the MRNA vaccine. But I fully acknowledge that the risk of CV-19 are, at this stage, more tangible and deadly.

My argument to my close friend is that the government's (and their advisers) all around the world surely wouldn't be allowing the MRNA vaccine to be used if there were any serious consequences known or foreseen at this stage. Quite a basic and vague viewpoint from myself I do admit.

As stated before, I will take it as I have enough confidence in it. But my friend won't at this stage. Citing as long you have a healthy lifestyle and below 40 then your risks are relatively low.

[Spikey M]

I would just ask why they aren't so risk averse with the rest of their decisions.

I presume they aren't quaking with fear that every pork product may contain worms that take up residence in your brain?

I presume they travel by Plane?

There are lots of things we do every day that have the potential to kill us.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/oct/28/mortality-statistics-causes-death-england-wales-2010

Lots of day to day activities to worry about there.

Truth be told, if someone is trotting out lines like "AN MRNA VACCINE HAS NEVER REACHED STAGE 3 TRIALS BEFORE!" then they're already too far gone. Mostly because the likely have no idea what an MRNA vaccine is or what Stage 3 trials are. They're just parroting what some mong on social media said.

[7om]

Thanks 7om, that's really helpful. And I note your comment that we simply do not have enough data to have any evidence of long term risks of the MRNA vaccine. But I fully acknowledge that the risk of CV-19 are, at this stage, more tangible and deadly.

My argument to my close friend is that the government's (and their advisers) all around the world surely wouldn't be allowing the MRNA vaccine to be used if there were any serious consequences known or foreseen at this stage. Quite a basic and vague viewpoint from myself I do admit.

As stated before, I will take it as I have enough confidence in it. But my friend won't at this stage. Citing as long you have a healthy lifestyle and below 40 then your risks are relatively low.

Something I probably should have mentioned is that clinical trials are set up to test safety as first priority over effectiveness.

Phase 1 - purely safety in a small population.
Phase 2 - safety and effectiveness in a small to medium population.
Phase 3 - safety and effectiveness in large numbers to represent the general population.

So whatever mRNA products have gone through phase 1/2 have been tested for safety. Hopefully that can ease the fears of your relative.

[Magic]

Covid is not flu. Flu is less fatal. Covid has unknown long-term risks. And a known short term risk that is death.

Unless his mate is a fat spaz there are no health risks.

[Magic]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/its-like-being-spat-on-23537592

What the. :D

[Kikó]

Unless his mate is a fat spaz there are no health risks.

Well that's just completely not true.

[Magic]

Well that's just completely not true.

Apart from viral load yes it is. Anyone want to counter that? :baz:

[Spikey M]

Taz I would imagine.

[Baz]

I mean, he’s not far off.

Like if I got Covid, there’s practically zero risk of me dying.

[Spikey M]

Correct, but he didn't say there's a low chance of dying, he said there are no health effects.

[Magic]

Kiko desperately trying to justify staying in Fife.

[Spikey M]

Can't blame him, I've seen the whisky collection they're rocking.

[7om]

Will you take the vaccine, Magic?

[Spikey M]

He doesn't want double-autism.

[Magic]

No.

[Kikó]

Correct, but he didn't say there's a low chance of dying, he said there are no health effects.

Exactly this. People have had longer health issues post covid so it's just completely untrue.

[Magic]

"post Covid".

:harold:

[Shindig]

Would you take it if your job depended on it?

[Waffdon]

No.

You’re full of shit. Of course you would. :D

[randomlegend]

I mean, he’s not far off.

Like if I got Covid, there’s practically zero risk of me dying.

A significant proportion of those with asymptomatic or mild disease have evidence of cardiac damage on follow-up MRI scans.

We don't know the long-term significance of that yet, but I'd much rather "risk" the vaccine than pretty much any chance of getting heart failure down the line.

[niko_cee]

Without wanting to fall in with the sceptic fringe lunatics, is that evidence of cardiac damage actually attributable to having had covid, or would it show up in a lot of people if they were routinely scanned (which I assume they aren't)?

[Kikó]

"post Covid".

:harold:

Ok, 'after they had covid'. Is that ok precious?

[Magic]

Would you take it if your job depended on it?

No.

[Magic]

You’re full of shit. Of course you would. :D

Genuinely no. Just a glorified flu.

[Magic]

Ok, 'after they had covid'. Is that ok precious?

Yes.

[Shindig]

Genuinely no. Just a glorified flu.

Annual flu deaths are hard to gauge but I'll use this (https://fullfact.org/online/october-2020-flu-covid-pandemic/) as a source. Taking the more conservative number puts Covid down as five times deadlier. It's not glorified. It's much more effective. Even so, this is not a seasonal illness. It's something we, until very recently had no means of natural defence.

166,000 people are estimated to die of cancer each year in the UK. Covid has managed three quarters of that number in two waves.

To call this glorified flu is flippant and incorrect.

[phonics]

The mans scared of airports, not flu.

[Spikey M]

Covid may be similar to the Flu, but It's hard to say because we have a vaccine and immunity throughout the population. It's not really comparable.

All we can say for certain is that novel Flu strains have been pretty fucking deadly before now, so saying "it's just the flu" is quite stupid.

[phonics]

Magic is the definition of ‘quite stupid’

[Kikó]

Annual flu deaths are hard to gauge but I'll use this (https://fullfact.org/online/october-2020-flu-covid-pandemic/) as a source. Taking the more conservative number puts Covid down as five times deadlier. It's not glorified. It's much more effective. Even so, this is not a seasonal illness. It's something we, until very recently had no means of natural defence.

166,000 people are estimated to die of cancer each year in the UK. Covid has managed three quarters of that number in two waves.

To call this glorified flu is flippant and incorrect.

That's it really. If it was "just flu" then yeah, overreaction. But it's not. It's deadly in certain age groups, it can knock the age group below it into hospital requiring intensive care (and attention) and for others, produce potential longer term impacts. It's fucking ignorant to still parrot that line at this point.

[SvN]

fucking ignorant.

Another perfect description.

[Dquincy]

I don't really appreciate the context of the following, but thought I'd post it in case anyone else does.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

This is a link to the government website for information on High consequence infectious diseases (HCID).

Extract from 'Status of COVID-19'

As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK.

The 4 nations public health HCID group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak. Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase.

The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) is also of the opinion that COVID-19 should no longer be classified as an HCID.

[Kikó]

https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-hcid/

There's a specific definition for that description.

[Don]

Quincy sharing the anti-vaxxer shit he gets on Whatsapp hoping the soft shite brigade will be able to help him draw up line to take :happycry:

[Dquincy]

Fair.

[Magic]

"my mate thinks".

:harold:

[Baz]

So who here won’t be getting the vaccine?

[Spikey M]

I will be getting it as soon as possible and joining Doreen in some European Cesspit.

[Don]

Me. This is the closest opportunity I'll get to killing obese people so it's an easy one.

[Shindig]

Just become a personal trainer.

[randomlegend]

Without wanting to fall in with the sceptic fringe lunatics, is that evidence of cardiac damage actually attributable to having had covid, or would it show up in a lot of people if they were routinely scanned (which I assume they aren't)?

It is attributable to covid.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If you don't get the vaccine you're not doing your bit to cut transmission. Getting the vaccine is FAR more effective in cutting transmission than any kind of lockdown compliance. I have no idea why the gov / SAGE aren't saying this.

[Lewis]

'Listen you fucking curry-munching...'

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/56102610

The BBC almost saying "there's fuck all risk seeing your mates in the garden. Crack on lads". :drool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Sage has said (with "high confidence") that outdoor gatherings have a low impact on transmission.

Why are they fucking banned then?

I think most of this stuff is purely symbolic, as in they think people will take the thin end of the wedge.

[Spikey M]

It is essentially "give them an inch...". Problem is, refuse to give the inch and eventually people will take the mile anyway.

[Baz]

Chances of 30 people being allowed to mix indoors by the end of June?

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's almost as if banning most forms of basic human social behaviour isn't a sustainable public health policy.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Chances of 30 people being allowed to mix indoors by the end of June?

Doubt it

[Magic]

Blame the people.

[randomlegend]

If you don't get the vaccine you're not doing your bit to cut transmission. Getting the vaccine is FAR more effective in cutting transmission than any kind of lockdown compliance. I have no idea why the gov / SAGE aren't saying this.

Because the data isn't really there yet to be confident whether/how much being vaccinated reduces your ability to transmit the virus.

[Spikey M]

Right on cue:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56145392

[Jimmy Floyd]

It basically is. A study from Israel today had Pfizer at 89% reduction in transmissions. All studies for all vaccines have said similar.

And as above, whenever they start saying 'early data' in public it means they are 100% certain. Whitty said he thought it would probably cut transmission a good month ago.

[Shindig]

They've been confident enough to publish early studies that say it is.

[randomlegend]

*wasn't :uhoh:

[Kikó]

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1363551368842207240?s=19

Some good club news for taz.

[Magic]

So can't get a fucking haircut until April? Lol.

[Mellberg]

March 8th - golf.

Sound. That'll do, pig.

[randomlegend]

My hair was last cut on 12th July.

[Don]

I was losing hope of clubs before winter. When's football allowed? Mid-April for sauna, fuck off.

[Baz]

My hair was last cut on 12th July.:D Let's have a look.

Mine was September and it's pretty scraggly now. Moreso than normal, even.

[Raoul Duke]

I'm in the "last haircut in July" club too :cool:

This (https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/02/curfew-may-be-extended-for-three-more-weeks-sources-tell-nos/) headline is negative but the news is pretty decent:

We've done about 4.5% in total and they should be getting to 2.5m p/w in the second quarter of the year. There's only 17m or so here so should be pretty rapid once they get supply

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I last did mine a couple of weeks ago.

I think I did a 0.5 or something all over.

[Shindig]

I gave the back of mine a trim. I hate DIY haircuts.

[Magic]

Ladies will be distraught.

[Queenslander]

Uber Cunt of the year Premier of NSW Gladys whats her face isnt getting the vaccine. I assume for political reasons as her base in NSW is full are mental white nationalists who think this vaccine makes you gay or 5g or whatever it is hard to keep up with what makes them angry.

[Yevrah]

Private gardens from 29th March.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56148160

Sense is seen. Ish.

[Yevrah]

What's perhaps most interesting about the four tests for the road map is that a rise in infection levels is not, in itself, a barrier to easing restrictions further.

Some members of the scientific community, as well as some teaching unions, believe any increase should not be tolerated.

You can believe what you like fuckers, infections in and of themselves are utterly irrelevant. Taste that sweet vaccine and take your particular brand of wank science away.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's better than I was expecting tbh. Which I suppose was the point of all their pre-leaks.

Cases flattening to fuck now, all driven up north, I guess this is a test of what happens to deaths/hospitalisations which are both still falling fast at the moment.

[Don]

It's all later than ideal given we could open it all up now and NHS would cope as we all know but I'll settle for that.

Still, MON vaccine failure for top scenes.

[Yevrah]

It's better than I expected too, but then I have been watching the news a lot over the last two weeks and every single show I've seen has had some rent a gob-shite scientist on it seemingly doing a near 180 about how great vaccines are and suggesting we should be locked down for months more yet, which obviously clouded my expectations.

Thank God they weren't actually listened to.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Vaccine failure isn't going to happen. It's just a matter of how quickly it succeeds.

[Yevrah]

Yep, we're on the home straight of this thing now and I reckon after this 'abundance of caution' period is over we'll be out of it as quickly as we went into it.

Masks and hand sanitisers etc. may remain for a while, but in every other way life will be back to normal.

[Don]

Vaccine failure isn't going to happen. It's just a matter of how quickly it succeeds.

The scientists are clearly still thinking it's a possibility for them to be backing Team Soft Shites in such hefty numbers.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Hand sanitiser is the best thing to come out of it. A good sniff of that stuff every morning at the office and I'm ready to go for another day's psychological torment.

[Yevrah]

The scientists are clearly still thinking it's a possibility for them to be backing Team Soft Shites in such hefty numbers.

I thought that for a while and then it actually dawned on me that they're just mental. It can happen to anyone when they're given a bit of power and limelight and they'd rather not lose it.

[Queenslander]

Now we have the nutcases saying scomo had the cap on his needle. His official FB page is a good laugh atm.

I reckon we are world beaters when it comes to anti-vaxxers.

Per capita we have to have the most.

[Luca]

Australia’s effort at beating this thing despite the absolute fucking mentals that inhabit most of the island is quite impressive.

[John Arne]

Ozzies have a free dinkum experience in dealing with these drongo's.

[Queenslander]

Fair dinkum in my little part of the world I reckon it is a 50/50 split with the people I know.

[Queenslander]

Just did their eligibility test and apparentltly I can get it mid March.

[Jimmy Floyd]

All the twitter replies are pretty amazing at the moment. One set of people screaming in indignation that there isn't a full unlock tomorrow, and another set of people in floods of tears desperately upset that there's a plan to unlock at all. Both yelling at the moon, completely unaware of the existence of the other.

I see they seem to have ditched the 1,000 cases thing (or at least there's no mention of it) which must mean they've seen good news on the vaccine effect on transmission.

[Kikó]

We are going to have a summer!

[Spikey M]

Not if you stay in Scotland.

[Kikó]

Is that because Tragic Custard is going to gub me?

[Magic]

In the queue for the Fifie.

[Spikey M]

Is that because Tragic Custard is going to gub me?

No, but there's a real risk of rape on Foe's trampoline.

[Dquincy]

http://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-vaccine-rollout-linked-to-85-and-94-drop-in-coronavirus-hospital-admissions-in-scotland-study-shows-12225532

Really promising news this.

[Spikey M]

It is. And once all of the risk categories are covered the deaths should be pretty much zero and hospitalisations very low.

It will be interesting to see how they manage to keep any form of restrictions in place when no cunt is dying.

[Shindig]

Awesome. A September holiday might be ON.

[Dquincy]

It is. And once all of the risk categories are covered the deaths should be pretty much zero and hospitalisations very low.

It will be interesting to see how they manage to keep any form of restrictions in place when no cunt is dying.
I'd even say the bar doesn't need to be that low. People generally accept that some of the population will die of illness and disease every year, it's just figuring out what is the acceptable level of death.

[Dquincy]

Awesome. A September holiday might be ON.

Is my (rebooked) Ibiza holiday in May unrealistic?

[Spikey M]

I made the mistake of putting the news on then. Just in time to hear some whiney cunt fretting about how last time we did this the cases sky rocketed.

No! They didn't! They barely moved for 2 months and we didn't have a fucking vaccine!

[Spikey M]

Is my (rebooked) Ibiza holiday in May unrealistic?

No chance that's happening. Maybe a UK holiday in May, if you're lucky.

[Yevrah]

I made the mistake of putting the news on then. Just in time to hear some whiney cunt fretting about how last time we did this the cases sky rocketed.

No! They didn't! They barely moved for 2 months and we didn't have a fucking vaccine!

It's painful, isn't it. They way most people have understood this since it started (including some experts and people paid to cover it) has been absolutely shocking.

[Dquincy]

Ffs. :( And my unnamed loved one refusing the vaccine may also put a spanner in the works. Vaccine passports and all that.

[Jimmy Floyd]

My main societal takeaway from this is that people no longer read anything (anything - they just don't like text at all) and don't have the attention span to listen to anyone for more than 10 seconds either, which is how misinformation and idiocy ends up spreading.

We need more information receivers and fewer senders.

[Magic]

I'm loving the 'I'm getting the vaccine' Facebook profile photo frames. :harold:

[Spikey M]

One of my Aunties has had the "I stand with London" one since whenever the London Bridge attack happened. That wouldn't be so odd if a) she didn't live in London and b) she hadn't last updated her profile picture 6 weeks ago.

[Spikey M]

Also, can we just give teachers the jab so they'll stop whinging about having to work?

[Magic]

My wee brother's bird who is a primary teacher has to take a test twice a week now. :harold:

[SvN]

It's painful, isn't it. They way most people have understood this since it started (including some experts and people paid to cover it) has been absolutely shocking.

The media - particularly the BBC - is to blame for this. Look at the current headline on BBC news website.

"How risky are the routes out of lockdown?"

[Dquincy]

A concern I have is that the first group of people to be reintegrated into society will be the school kids, all of which will not be vaccinated.

This will no doubt cause cases to go up and then people will claim we need to lockdown again. Surely, when/if this happens, we should be focusing on the hospitalisation/death rates.

Failing that, jab the kids.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Government have said this morning they're not looking at R anymore, which is encouraging on that score. Cases won't matter if deaths/hospitalisations are sunk. Plus vaccination will have a large effect on transmission.

And there are no vaccines approved for children (as far as I know).

Zero covid lot are properly on the ropes after the Scottish vaccine study.

[Spikey M]

A concern I have is that the first group of people to be reintegrated into society will be the school kids, all of which will not be vaccinated.

This will no doubt cause cases to go up and then people will claim we need to lockdown again. Surely, when/if this happens, we should be focusing on the hospitalisation/death rates.

Failing that, jab the kids.

It's a guarantee, but as said, as long as it doesn't impact the hospitalisation rate then it's pretty irrelevant.

My main concern is all the fucking isolating. My daughter still goes to school because my wife is a key worker and she's had to self isolate 3 times since Christmas. There's only 8 of her class in ffs.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Needless to say there are still some clown car opinions by SAGE-advising scientists being put out in the Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/21/uk-lockdown-health-livelihoods-2021-sage-committee


In the short term, we face a trade-off. The longer the government keeps current restrictions in place, the faster we will drive down case numbers and be able to lift restrictions. There is still much room for improvement in the current lockdown.

Wait. The longer we keep restrictions in place, the faster we will be able to lift restrictions? I know that scientists can't write, but that's a concerning sentence.


According to polling by the Trades Union Congress, one in five employees are going into workplaces unnecessarily when they could be working from home.

Well, yeah, I'm that one in five - but wait, are you saying that instead of easing restrictions we should be locking down harder?


The consensus is that schools should be one of the first settings to have restrictions eased, but recent modelling suggests this will need to be done very carefully if the R value is not to be increased.

OK, let's hear more.


One way of doing this would be repurposing unused spaces to create “Nightingale” schools where children are able to learn in a safe and socially distant way, reducing crowding in existing classrooms, and calling on former teachers who have left the profession to help.

:henn0rz:


The UK will need the capacity to undertake widespread testing, assimilated into a functioning test, trace and isolate system.

Right, you've been saying this for a year. But how?


This system should be based in local public health organisations and primary care, and coordinated by the NHS – which has had huge success in organising the vaccination programme.

OK, that's 'where' covered. But how?


Doing this will mean diverting resources away from failed commercial contracts and towards local authorities and those with the expertise and trust to deliver a comprehensive system.

OK, assuming these people do indeed exist, HOW? Never mind, she clearly doesn't know. Still, at least we all share the same goal of being back to normal after the vaccines have taken effect, right?


In the longer term, we should establish “green zones” – areas where the virus has been judged to be under control, where there is no danger of infection and thus no need for restrictions. We’ll need a new system for accrediting Covid-safe environments, from workplaces to schools, shops, hospitality and transport, as we do with hygiene ratings for restaurants. This will require robust guidance, support, regulations and inspections to ensure that all public spaces meet agreed safety standards, with publicly displayed certificates and a hotline for reporting breaches.

Oh.


Finally, as the UK slowly recovers from Covid-19, one of politicians’ chief priorities should be to address the inequalities that helped the virus to spread.

Ah yes. The inequalities. Of course.

[Magic]

Jimmy using Henn0rz to prove a point.

This is real alternate reality stuff.

[Dquincy]

Government have said this morning they're not looking at R anymore, which is encouraging on that score. Cases won't matter if deaths/hospitalisations are sunk. Plus vaccination will have a large effect on transmission.

And there are no vaccines approved for children (as far as I know).

Zero covid lot are properly on the ropes after the Scottish vaccine study.
That's reassuring. I hope they stick to that approach. It's quite exciting to see what happens.

[Spikey M]

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:lol:

[7om]

The biggest threat to human civilastion ain't covid. It's Twitter.

[Waffdon]

Twitter is the greatest creation of all time

[Manc]

Said no one ever.

[Spikey M]

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https://i.imgur.com/GpXuDLg.jpg

[Spikey M]

1361399083936735240?s=19

:D

I'll stop now

[Magic]

"surely your own breath extends over your arms, which means droplets land on your skin/sleeves. Ditto the other person"

My word people actually think like this don't they. No wonder we're fucked. Nation of Puritans.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Last year during the cricket season one of our players (15yo) had to go into self-isolation for two weeks because, upon video review of one of his matches, it emerged he had high fived someone during a wicket celebration (with wicket-keeping gloves on), rather than elbow-bumping them which was allowed.

I wish I was making that up.

[Spikey M]

That's never been in the rules, has it? It's news to me if it has. Or is this a special cricket rule that cricket clubs have special powers to enforce?

[Lewis]

lol - lol out loud - at all these reports of Europeans turning down/no-showing God's Own Vaccine. :harold:

[Dquincy]

1363754681709789184?s=19
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:lol:

I'm all for trying to see things from other people's perspectives, but what a bunch of insufferable cunts.

[Jimmy Floyd]

That's never been in the rules, has it? It's news to me if it has. Or is this a special cricket rule that cricket clubs have special powers to enforce?

It was in the rules then vis a vis what constituted 'close contact'. Or Surrey told me it was, at least.

[Spikey M]

It was in the rules then vis a vis what constituted 'close contact'. Or Surrey told me it was, at least.

Ah, so one of them tested positive?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Yes, one of the other players tested positive and a high five with gloves on meant he had to isolate, whereas an elbow bump wouldn't have done.

[Alex]

1363754681709789184?s=19
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:lol:

These people are just broken forever now, aren't they? There's no going back to normal for them. Ever.

[Spikey M]

It's pure hysteria. It was somewhat understandable when it first rocked up, but how anyone has the energy anymore is beyond me.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

I disagree with it because it feels like something an American would come up with.

[CJay]

There’s definitely a Michael Scott vibe to the way Johnson does it.

[Lewis]

A substantial amount of the mentals are more anti-Boris Johnson than anything. There is no 'normal' for them.

[Yevrah]

All limits on social contact lifted by 21st June

The shitty fear-mongering, vaccine denying scientists have lost.

[Lewis]

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Gyms fucking hell.

[Waffdon]

Scotland will still be in lockdown come May :lol:

[Lewis]

Let's get a TTH Meet venue booked for the weekend after.

[7om]

That looks about right to me. By the time we start really releasing society we'll probably have all over 40s done.

[Yevrah]

Let's get a TTH Meet venue booked for the weekend after.

Fuck it, I'm in.

[Yevrah]

That looks about right to me. By the time we start really releasing society we'll probably have all over 40s done.

Yep, assuming all of those that need it more than me had had it before I did, it would have been absolutely ludicrous for me to have had a vaccine and still be in lockdown.

[-james-]

Get Glastonbury back on.

[Lewis]

https://i.imgur.com/DkSeke0.png

[niko_cee]

lol - lol out loud - at all these reports of Europeans turning down/no-showing God's Own Vaccine. :harold:

Even more so now this Scotch study has come out and seemingly said it performs better that the Blue Pill in the short term.

And, as I type this, I've gone back to look at the BBC article and it has been rewritten to remove that bit.

This is what has disappeared from the Beeb's coverage (taken from another source (https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-vaccine-rollout-linked-to-85-and-94-drop-in-coronavirus-hospital-admissions-in-scotland-study-shows-12225532)):


Four weeks after receiving the initial dose, the Oxford jab appeared to reduce a person's risk of hospital admission by 94%.

Those who received the Pfizer jab had a reduction in risk of 85% between 28 and 34 days after the first dose.

:sherlock:

[Baz]

All limits on social contact lifted by 21st June

The shitty fear-mongering, vaccine denying scientists have lost.Thirty-man party house stag do on 25th June LET’S GOOO

[John Arne]

https://gyazo.com/8670e9a41fbddc0d4fc252a9b846f794.jpeg

How does this work? Either it's a rule of 6 or a stadium of 20,000?

[7om]

The reason idiots don't want the Oxford vaccine is the same as why they never give us points on Eurovision. Deep down they're gutted we've made a top quality product.

[niko_cee]

In fairness, other than Gina G, have we ever made a top quality product in that field?

Wait, she was Australian?

[7om]

In fairness, other than Gina G, have we ever made a top quality product in that field?

Wait, she was Australian?

In vaccines? AstraZeneca and GSK are both British. GSK basicaally runs the global vaccine industry.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Gyms fucking hell.

I just read through it and I'm sure gyms for a single adult were in the April step. Could be wrong.

EDIT: I'm right.

[Yevrah]

Yeah, gyms are 7 weeks away.

[Lewis]

Opening gyms only for individuals sounds like booking slots like a loser, so forget that.

[Lewis]

In vaccines? AstraZeneca and GSK are both British. GSK basicaally runs the global vaccine industry.

And it's the American engines causing problems on the Boeing 777. Brexit Britain baby. :cool:

[Magic]

The absolute rage and scenes in clubs the first time they open. :drool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

And, as I type this, I've gone back to look at the BBC article and it has been rewritten to remove that bit.

This is what has disappeared from the Beeb's coverage (taken from another source (https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-vaccine-rollout-linked-to-85-and-94-drop-in-coronavirus-hospital-admissions-in-scotland-study-shows-12225532)):

:sherlock:

I think it's probably sensible to redact that - all the vaccines are really good and so anything that makes people think that one is better than the other is only going to be counterproductive (see: Macron, E, 2021; Merkel, A, 2021)

[Don]

It's fucking beautiful.

[Dquincy]

All limits on social contact lifted by 21st June

The shitty fear-mongering, vaccine denying scientists have lost.

Part of me wants to say do not count your chickens just yet... No such thing as a dead cert.

The other part thinks the government wouldn't be broadcasting this if they are not already seeing some very tangible positive data on the vaccine effect.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Cases really are levelling off now (the same thing has been seen in other European countries, most/all of which have laxer lockdowns than us) so the crunch point will be in about 10 days / 2 weeks when we see if hospitalisations/deaths continue to fall despite this.

If they do, it's TTH Meet Naxos 2021.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Part of me wants to say do not count your chickens just yet... No such thing as a dead cert.

The other part thinks the government wouldn't be broadcasting this if they are not already seeing some very tangible positive data on the vaccine effect.

Stay a pessimist and you won't feel as cheated if it does go tits up.

[Spikey M]

Christ, this woman should never be allowed on TV again. What a fucking voice. :sick:

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Christ, this woman should never be allowed on TV again. What a fucking voice. :sick:

Sturgeon?

[Spikey M]

Her too, but no. Some Geordie mess.

[Dquincy]

The absolute rage and scenes in clubs the first time they open. :drool:
This.

It's going to be immense. Fingerings galore.

[Dquincy]

Stay a pessimist and you won't feel as cheated if it does go tits up.
I'm a cynic, not a pessimist.

Edit: not unreasonable considering the previous experiences of coming out of lockdown.

[Luca]

Who wants to set me up with a job in London come spring time? I can sell engine parts or tell the NHS how to build PowerPoint slides.

[Jimmy Floyd]

You can have my job, and I'll take yours at the milk bagging plant.

[randomlegend]

:D Let's have a look.

Mine was September and it's pretty scraggly now. Moreso than normal, even.

https://i.imgur.com/oTH7Vhe.jpg

[niko_cee]

In vaccines? AstraZeneca and GSK are both British. GSK basicaally runs the global vaccine industry.

In Eurovision.

[Lewis]

No need to cut your hair if your head expands to fit it.

[Manc]

That's a very 2003 effort.

[Shindig]

Baz's hair on another man's head.

[7om]

That hospital looks very quiet :sherlock:

[Magic]

No wonder you wanted us to stay in lockdown, tubby.

[randomlegend]

No need to cut your hair if your head expands to fit it.

Yeah I'm fat.

[Kikó]

No need to cut your hair if your head expands to fit it.

This is very funny. :D

[7om]

My dad on the ROADMAP: "It's ironic they called it that because we can't fucking go anywhere."

[Yevrah]

Part of me wants to say do not count your chickens just yet... No such thing as a dead cert.

The other part thinks the government wouldn't be broadcasting this if they are not already seeing some very tangible positive data on the vaccine effect.

You don't even need to see any data, it's just common sense. The vaccine works and we've given, what, twenty million people their first dose and we'll have done a fuckton more by the time shit starts opening up.

Unless some variant comes out of nowhere there's nothing stopping it, despite what the Facebook Mums and some scientists on their side might claim. Scientists (like the one in Jim's post) who should be discredited to the point of never being able to work again.

It works, we've nailed it, it's the beginning of the end.

[Manc]

Yev 1-0 Science.

[Baz]

https://streamable.com/008ecg

[Yevrah]

Yev 1-0 Science.

I'm not sure some of these people deserve to be called scientists. They're immersed in data and at almost every turn some of them have made horrific decisions, suggested horrific things, which might well have been even worse had they been running the show.

The actual scientific heroes in this process are those that cracked the vaccine. We will forever be in their debt.

[7om]

Lol at all the twats who doubted our decision to delay the second dose. We've donned this.

[Spikey M]

Jim had it right when he said scientists should have no place publicly commenting on policy because they are, by their very nature, risk averse in the extreme and only interested controlling the virus. They don't account for inconveniences like people needing to leave the house.

[Dquincy]

Chris Whitty really is a don.

[Magic]

Who was that fucking nonce who started it with PROJECTION FEAR.

[Kikó]

>>You don't even need to see any data, it's just common sense.

You need data to know what "common sense" is.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The next delicious phase is to watch the craven Zero Covid people have a long, slow, public meltdown (or start claiming they never wanted it). I'm looking at you, Deepti.

You can tell from some tweets today that a few of them are devastated about the good news re vaccine efficacy. The rest have just started pretending there aren't any vaccines.

[Spikey M]

Fuck off Peston you cunt.

[Dquincy]

Who was that fucking nonce who started it with PROJECTION FEAR.
You need to be aiming that venom at...Chi-NA. They're responsible for the kung-flu, not the Whittster.