Coronavirus Death Thread

[Spikey M]

I think Adamski and Raoul Duke did too.

[niko_cee]

Didn't Josh have it (or strongly suspect he did) before taking the dog out for a walk?

Or was that Greg?

Got me test back negative which is good as I had nightmare scenarios of being locked in a house for months brewing in my mind. Found out today that apparently a household cluster ended up being quarantined for 9 weeks after having the variant in October. :|

[Spikey M]

Greg is an Aussie and Josh is in New York (I think), so it was almost certainly Josh.

[Kikó]

Duke had it definitely. Something to do with the ladies of the night in Amsterdam iirc.

[Shindig]

He'd only just got there as well. :D

[Disco]

Didn't he think he caught it off a public bin at one point?

I remember trying and failing to come up with an Anne Frank joke about it.

[Don]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/10/brazil-covid-coronavirus-party-deaths-200-000

Dear lord, what a sad little life...

The videos on the feed though...tears in my eyes.

[Shindig]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-55605149

Get pricked up, you stupid cunts.

[Spikey M]

They're probably worried they'll get nicked for being outside.

[Alex]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-55605149

Get pricked up, you stupid cunts.

Aye. Or stay in the house forever and shut your fucking mouth. Jesus. What do people want? Do we need to go door to door with it? Get a fucking grip. You will never get a lot of these absolute drips to return to any sort of normality after this is over, you know. They're permanently broken. In that respect is it even worth wasting a jab on them?


"If we can't get somebody to take us, we'd have to go on the train but we're shielding because my husband's got poor health.... we want to know why we've got to travel that far?"

Because the world doesn't actually revolve around you, is the answer to that.


Andrea Eaton, from Coventry, said she was so angry that her 81-year-old mother, who has heart problems and leukaemia, was offered Birmingham for her appointment that she attempted to ring Downing Street on Saturday night to complain.

Aye, she seems like a perfectly sensible person to quote in a national news article, doesn't she?

That article has, as I believe the young people would say, "triggered" me Shinners. :D

[Lewis]

Has Brazil actually done that bad with its pandemic? Its neighbours all have similar death rates, so I get the feeling matey lolling it off and saying masks are for faggots has made them a bit of an unfortunate poster boy for it.

[Yevrah]

I don't know why we're not just sending the army door to door.

[Spikey M]

Because the world doesn't actually revolve around you



We've made people bankrupt, ruined people's businesses and yanked a year of education away from an entire generation. Not to mention socially crippling many of them. Are we quite sure it doesn't?

[Pepe]

Mexico is doing alright (or not worse than others, at least) and it is a free for all over there. People are basically back to business as usual.

[Spikey M]

It really should be a case of "your vaccination appointment is at X location at Y time on Z day. Be there or you're not getting one. Cunt."

[Alex]

We've made people bankrupt, ruined people's businesses and yanked a year of education away from an entire generation. Not to mention socially crippling many of them. Are we quite sure it doesn't?

Well put. And even after all that, God forbid they venture into a city centre for us to try and put an end to it all. Fuck them, honestly.

[Kikó]

I don't know why we're not just sending the army door to door.

Because that's not a logical way to distribute a vaccine.

[Spikey M]

It should be priority no. 1 for anyone on the vulnerable list. Moaning that they have to take a little trip is a joke.

Yeah. I'm triggered as well. I'm about ready to go out licking door handles.

[Spikey M]

Because that's not a logical way to distribute a vaccine.

Agreed. Stand them in a field and send a crop duster over.

[Alex]

I mean look at these two. "Kay and Kenneth".

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/5B9B/production/_116415432_capture2.png

You just know they're absolute cunts. A fucking year of my life out the window so these two dickheads can not jump in a taxi and get their vaccine? Fuck off.

Although to be fair to him he does have the look of a man who may have, at one time, been an alright lad, but has been ground down by decades of her bullshit.

[Spikey M]

I mean look at these two. "Kay and Kenneth".

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/5B9B/production/_116415432_capture2.png

You just know they're absolute cunts. A fucking year of my life out the window so these two dickheads can not jump in a taxi and get their vaccine? Fuck off.

Although to be fair to him he does have the look of a man who may have, at one time, been an alright lad, but has been ground down by decades of her bullshit.

He has been "doing what he's told" for 50 years, the poor bastard.

[Giggles]

Fuck transport, they should be made walk for it. Cheek of the lazy old bastards.

[Alex]

He has been "doing what he's told" for 50 years, the poor bastard.

He's probably secretly hoping she catches Covid and dies.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

tbf Whitwhick to Stevenage is almost 2 hours by car.

[Spikey M]

tbf Whitwhick to Stevenage is almost 2 hours by car.

Is the hospital closer?

[Jimmy Floyd]

If the NHS tells me to drive to Wick and catch the ferry to Orkney for my jab, then I'll do it. Kay and Kenneth look like the sort of cunts I normally go on about who haunt the Marks and Spencer food hall with permanent scowls.

[Raoul Duke]

Yeah, I had it in around October. Was off work/in bed for about a week, no taste/smell and persistent cough but overall it wasn't that bad. No idea where I got it but pretty annoying as we've been pretty careful (far more so than the average person, I'd say).

[7om]

I mean look at these two. "Kay and Kenneth".


You just know they're absolute cunts. A fucking year of my life out the window so these two dickheads can not jump in a taxi and get their vaccine? Fuck off.

Although to be fair to him he does have the look of a man who may have, at one time, been an alright lad, but has been ground down by decades of her bullshit.

Are you feeling okay? You sound like you’re about to lose the plot.

[Spikey M]

If the NHS tells me to drive to Wick and catch the ferry to Orkney for my jab, then I'll do it. Kay and Kenneth look like the sort of cunts I normally go on about who haunt the Marks and Spencer food hall with permanent scowls.

Exactly that. It's not ideal, granted, but it's 1 (maybe 2) days of inconvenience to get this shit over with. I'll fly to fucking Basrah if that's what it takes.

[Lewis]

He has been "doing what he's told" for 50 years, the poor bastard.

'If it comes in my garden it's mine.'

[Yevrah]

Because that's not a logical way to distribute a vaccine.

It's also not logical (despite the outcry here) to expect 80+ year olds to travel dozens of miles to get one.

[Yevrah]

It should be priority no. 1 for anyone on the vulnerable list. Moaning that they have to take a little trip is a joke.

While Kay and Kenneth may well be moaning over nothing, there will be plenty of people of a similar age where those distances aren't a 'little trip'.

[Alex]

Are you feeling okay? You sound like you’re about to lose the plot.

Fair assessment. I think I might be about to, you know.

That article really set me off, apologies. I've definitely reached the end of my tether with Covid and everything Covid related over the course of the last week or so.

[Kikó]

It's also not logical (despite the outcry here) to expect 80+ year olds to travel dozens of miles to get one.

Do you not think that case is likely to be an outlier than the norm?

[randomlegend]

Have any of you ever actually spent any time with frail 80+ year olds? It is far from trivial for many of them to travel significant distances. You sound like a right bunch of cold-hearted cunts.

[Yevrah]

Do you not think that case is likely to be an outlier than the norm?

I'd hope so, but Kenneth and Kay are right to be shining a light on it to make sure it is.

[Spikey M]

Have any of you ever actually spent any time with frail 80+ year olds? It is far from trivial for many of them to travel significant distances. You sound like a right bunch of cold-hearted cunts.

We've given up a year of our lives. That isn't trivial either. Get there. Get the jab. Done.

[Kikó]

It's also not logical (despite the outcry here) to expect 80+ year olds to travel dozens of miles to get one.


I'd hope so, but Kenneth and Kay are right to be shining a light on it to make sure it is.

I do agree. I'd like to think those who are unable to travel will be able to have home visits.

[Shindig]

Have they never rearranged anything in their lives? Say there was only a Pfizer jab in it for Kay and Kenneth. Storage matters for that. It's probably getting handled like our assessments used to be. You have a centre, sometimes their nearest centre is dozens of miles away but it's still their nearest option. Failing that, wait for the AstraZenica one to land in their GP surgery.

[Pepe]

Imagine all the extraordinary things that the members of TTH would have done this year, if it was not for covid. Fuck K&K.

[Don]

Second Sunday of the year and people increasingly on the ropes, bring on the remaining few weeks/months :drool:

[Boydy]

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[Jimmy Floyd]

Why are people screaming to tighten restrictions? Do they think stopping click and collect will see the tide go out?

I need a couple more days of case data but I reckon we are possibly now at the peak (of cases), maybe a fraction past it in London and short of it in other regions.

[Yevrah]

Other than the terror stories on the BBC's front page I've given up reading much about all this now beyond what I see in here.

Is the fact that people aren't following the rules as they are being treated like the uncle in the room?

[Lewis]

They price a bit of leeway and people pissing about into them, so it's just the New Variant doing it's thing. If it is half again as infectious then anything short of literally confining us to our homes is not going to be enough, and another reason why all of the testing capacity should be re-directed to vaccinations.

[Yevrah]

I get the government do, but do THE RULES NEED TO BE TOUGHER brigade understand that tightening them won't make a difference to the people who aren't following them in the first place? Which I'd imagine is an ever increasing number of people.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm still not convinced there's any amazing evidence that any particular policy keeps the virus under control (other than shutting the borders on day one and preventing all entries). Once it's in it appears to do what it wants.

For all the people that point to New Zealand or Australia I want to hear more about the other 200 odd sovereign nations of the world.

[Lewis]

I get the government do, but do THE RULES NEED TO BE TOUGHER brigade understand that tightening them won't make a difference to the people who aren't following them in the first place? Which I'd imagine is an ever increasing number of people.

I see what you mean. The worst 'offenders' I know for not giving a shit are my grandparents (81, 82, and 82), so I do wonder about the younger mentalists. Filtering out the pinkos and the cranks, are they genuinely afraid that they might die of it? Like Giggles for example. I thought he was mainly in it to stop people having fun; but then he says he wears his mask outside and wanks with hand sanitiser.

[Luca]

This is it, really. For every wally like Giggles there are 5 other Taz’s. So you govern to prevent the impact of the Taz lot, not try and convert them all to Giggles.

Strong testing and tracing infrastructure, blanket rapid testing supported by targeted accurate testing, and efficient (Israel-style) vaccination deployment is the blueprint to beat this kind of thing in the future. You only get one lockdown. And to be honest, if the next pandemic occurs in our lifetimes, the badwill caused by the uselessness of (these) lockdown(s) might put that at risk as well.

[ItalAussie]

I'm still not convinced there's any amazing evidence that any particular policy keeps the virus under control (other than shutting the borders on day one and preventing all entries). Once it's in it appears to do what it wants.

For all the people that point to New Zealand or Australia I want to hear more about the other 200 odd sovereign nations of the world.

The only real solution is to get on top of things early. A few times here, various states have locked down at single or low double-digit cases, and it seems to have worked. Sydney got the northern beaches cluster under control, and it looks like Brisbane has gotten on top of the UK-variant (fingers crossed). Getting Melbourne back under control was a tough task, but it's telling that they did succeed, and it shows what is required once the numbers get above the very, very small - it was probably right at the limit. The norm here now seems to be that we all have to be ready to go into short lockdowns at a moment's notice, to get things back under control before they spiral. People are more willing to accept short lockdowns with a fixed end date, and we mostly aren't being dickheads about it.

Restricting movement and reducing the number of interactions are the two easiest ways to quickly arrest the spread. Then you need to have a populace which is regularly testing, and the facilities to do so. And there's also a threshold beyond which you're pretty screwed no matter what you do.

There's no question that Australia and New Zealand are doing this on easy mode, because we were able to shut the borders quickly, and Australia could block interstate travel as well. Then we could deal with each small population unit of no more than a handful of cities and a few million people separately, and the virus could only spread so much. Dealing with pandemics sucks, but we were in an unusually good position to do it. Mind you, the UK is an island with internal borders as well, so there's probably also something to be said for not being managed by willfully ignorant circus clowns.

[Lewis]

The Scientists have been weirdly reluctant to shut our borders from day one, to the point where you have to wonder whether it was some weird political preference on their part.

[ItalAussie]

The Scientists have been weirdly reluctant to shut our borders from day one, to the point where you have to wonder whether it was some weird political preference on their part.
Same problem in the US.

You all know I'm a proper latte-sipping liberal lefty, but I was all for slamming closed the borders immediately. Pandemics are one situation that clearly justifies (requires!) border closures. Pandemic modelling is really clear on that point - any Actual Scientist arguing otherwise probably has a PhD in extrasolar biology or something, and doesn't know what they're on about. I'm legitimately curious who has been saying otherwise, because it can't have been the epidemiologists.

The problem is obviously that the EU and US states are built around the idea of free movement, but the impetus was surely political rather than scientific.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The reason no European country shut the borders early is just sheer scale - we have 300 million air passengers a year and NZ have 40 million, most of whom are probably from Australia. It would have taken a proper one-off maverick of a PM to shut borders in February, against scientific advice, and not re-open them for... will it be two years? Who knows. In Aus and NZ it's a much easier decision as you're that much more removed from mass international transit.

Maggie Thatcher might have done it if she was deep on the G&Ts that week, but even that I doubt.

The bit Boris has done wrong over here is a) listen too much to the right wing of his party and too little to the population; b) always delay decision-making as long as possible (which he does in every arena, not just the pandemic).

[ItalAussie]

This was the first year since 2006 in which I haven't left Australia. It's been weird in that regard. It felt like a game of musical chairs, and in March 2020 the music stopped. Wherever you were, that's where you stayed.

I have a friend in Sydney from Europe, and her mum was visiting at the time. Ended up staying in her apartment for six months. :D

[Luca]

How have people reacted to the on and off lockdowns there, Ital? We have instituted a series of half-hearted measures on and off, and by the third change to THE RULES the public has just decided it doesn’t care anymore.

[ItalAussie]

The reason no European country shut the borders early is just sheer scale - we have 300 million air passengers a year and NZ have 40 million, most of whom are probably from Australia. It would have taken a proper one-off maverick of a PM to shut borders in February, against scientific advice, and not re-open them for... will it be two years? Who knows. In Aus and NZ it's a much easier decision as you're that much more removed from mass international transit.I agree, although there's a lot of air travel within that was shut off as well. Sydney-Melbourne was the second-busiest flight route in the world, and while we aren't quite an international hub, a lot of flights to Asia go through our east coast. Even we didn't shut everything down in February, though we were certainly preparing for it.

I'm not saying it would have been easy - we're definitely playing on easy mode, and it was still challenging. But every delay in a pandemic is critical, especially early on, and there was a real resistance from a lot of governments to listen to epidemiologists giving the obvious advice until things were already spiraling.

Once you know for sure it's going to be a pandemic, it's almost too late.


The bit Boris has done wrong over here is a) listen too much to the right wing of his party and too little to the population; b) always delay decision-making as long as possible (which he does in every arena, not just the pandemic).
I agree entirely, and I think it would have been a lot easier for all of you now if he hadn't done those two things. Still not great, obviously, because it's a global pandemic. But you could barely asked for a worse person to be at the helm.

[ItalAussie]

How have people reacted to the on and off lockdowns there, Ital? We have instituted a series of half-hearted measures on and off, and by the third change to THE RULES the public has just decided it doesn’t care anymore.
Mostly fine. There was some discontent with the Victorian lockdown as it dragged on, but mostly it held. There's always a few, but noncompliance is built into the mathematical models, and it's all within the predicted ranges.

The Queensland lockdown seems to have worked. I'm required to follow it even though I was allowed to go back to Sydney during the lockdown, which is a nice touch.

The penalties are pretty stiff here, and the police are enforcing them. Not wanting to be down $10,000 helps sway hearts and minds. Businesses are required to have electronic sign-ins in NSW with the government app, and the penalty there is steep enough that they're following it.

[Giggles]

Why would I remove my mask outside if I hadn't washed and sanitised my hands first? That would be mong behaviour.

[Giggles]

I get the government do, but do THE RULES NEED TO BE TOUGHER brigade understand that tightening them won't make a difference to the people who aren't following them in the first place? Which I'd imagine is an ever increasing number of people.


It will if you do what should have been done from day one - hit them and hit them hard with penalties. Not following them shouldn’t be an option.

[Luca]

Haven't they basically debunked the spread of COVID via fomites?

[Giggles]

Haven't they basically debunked the spread of COVID via fomites?

Depends where you look and what you want to hear. You’ll find ‘proof’ for absolutely anything you want on the internet these days.

[Jimmy Floyd]

We don't have the manpower to enforce the rules for 65 million people, so the only option is to make them palatable enough that most people will follow them voluntarily (and most people do, I think).

[Spikey M]

I really don't think they do. The 'bubble' rules are the problem. It's being used as Carte Blanche by most people I know with kids.

It's better now than it was before Christmas because it's an actual "lockdown" but it's still going on.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The bubble rules are not the problem. People refusing to read what the bubble rules actually are is the problem.

If they end up forcing me back into isolation and not being able to see my parents once a week I'll be as close to breaking the rules as I have been since the beginning (he says, posting from a completely empty office other than me).

[Giggles]

The bubbles rules are not the problem. People refusing to read what the bubble rules actually are is the problem.

If this ends up forcing me back into isolation and not being able to see my parents once a week I'll be as close to breaking the rules as I have been since the beginning (he says, posting from a completely empty office other than me).

People know what the rules are. People not giving a fuck about them is the actual problem.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Mixture of the two. I don't think a lot of people are capable of reading in full sentences or comprehending the nuance of a regulation beyond the word 'bubble'.

[Giggles]

Mixture of the two. I don't think a lot of people are capable of reading in full sentences or comprehending the nuance of a regulation beyond the word 'bubble'.

Give people any sort of an out at all and they'll use it as a free for all. Over here you can see one other household 'on compassionate grounds', so naturally "We'll be round to yours on Saturday night with a bottle of wine on compassionate grounds hahahhaha".

[Spikey M]

Mixture of the two. I don't think a lot of people are capable of reading in full sentences or comprehending the nuance of a regulation beyond the word 'bubble'.

Exactly that. All context has disappeared, it's just become "childcare" as an excuse to see whoever they want.

My sister In Law is currently in a 'single person bubble' with her monster in law (her mother in law is in 3 single person bubbles) and a 'childcare bubble' with her mum. She doesn't actually need the childcare, she works from home whilst her husband is home. There's no childcare going on.

This is fairly representative of most people I know with kids and I get the temptation. Having bored kids at home, whilst working and not being able to do anything is a tough slog.

[Spikey M]

I think being from / in Essex probably adds to the experience. The combination of being 'cheeky' and thick as pig shit makes this stuff inevitable.

[Shindig]

Mixture of the two. I don't think a lot of people are capable of reading in full sentences or comprehending the nuance of a regulation beyond the word 'bubble'.

The same people that get confused by a letter through their door and ring the PM, rather than the number on the letter.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think being from / in Essex probably adds to the experience. The combination of being 'cheeky' and thick as pig shit makes this stuff inevitable.

I was going to say, things are probably a bit less raucous at this end of the M25.

[Magic]

Another sweet week of doing what I want. :drool:

[Yevrah]

+1 for the bubble shambles.

Not saying the government shouldn't have a system, but as someone who knows the rules on it (as I'm legitimately in one with my sister's family) the amount of people I come across who're taking the piss with it is unreal.

"They're one of my bubbles" or "We've formed a bubble (hang on, you both live with other people)".

Bring childcare into it and allow exceptions for that (which you sort of have to for times when it is needed) and you've got no chance, as no parent wants to spend 24 hours a day for 10 months with their kids. Not a single one.

[Yevrah]

And not that the government haven't made mistakes (faaaar from it), but stuff like the above that makes me think this round is on 'us' rather than them and the frustration at the situation we're in should be directed at the people who think the rules don't apply to them rather than Kay and Ken, or whatever the fuck their names were.

[Shindig]

Then you've got those who test positive and keep quiet because they don't fancy missing out on a fortnight of work.

[Jimmy Floyd]

On a related note, an interesting fact is that in the warehouse that's attached to my company, there are 25 people who work there and 14 of them have acquired mask exemption cards, all of which appeared after a rule requiring them to wear masks was introduced in October.

[Shindig]

Probably can't hear themselves over them.

[Kikó]

People breaking the rules are bastards.

[Magic]

Then you've got those who test positive and keep quiet because they don't fancy missing out on a fortnight of work.

Why would they bother getting tested in that case?

[Lewis]

The reason no European country shut the borders early is just sheer scale - we have 300 million air passengers a year and NZ have 40 million, most of whom are probably from Australia. It would have taken a proper one-off maverick of a PM to shut borders in February, against scientific advice, and not re-open them for... will it be two years? Who knows. In Aus and NZ it's a much easier decision as you're that much more removed from mass international transit.

Maggie Thatcher might have done it if she was deep on the G&Ts that week, but even that I doubt.

The bit Boris has done wrong over here is a) listen too much to the right wing of his party and too little to the population; b) always delay decision-making as long as possible (which he does in every arena, not just the pandemic).

Nothing was ever going to happen in February, but there was nothing to stop them shutting borders in April. Priti Patel and Matt Hancock wanted to stop flights from the then hotspots in early March, but between the Treasury graph and the attempts to get expats home (fuck them) it never happened.

[ItalAussie]

We don't have the manpower to enforce the rules for 65 million people, so the only option is to make them palatable enough that most people will follow them voluntarily (and most people do, I think).

We have a little less than half that, but to be honest, we're mostly doing it willingly.

Maybe we're just a more subservient people, although I think peer pressure might have something to do with it. The main lockdowns were followed fairly impeccably.

[Spikey M]

We have a little less than half that, but to be honest, we're mostly doing it willingly.

Maybe we're just a more subservient people, although I think peer pressure might have something to do with it. The main lockdowns were followed fairly impeccably.

We were doing it willingly during the first wave but the level of inconvenience we've been saddled with has now gone on for nearly 10 months, bar a brief relaxation. People have decided that enough is enough. It's only going to get worse too.

[Jimmy Floyd]

You probably have more sense of civic togetherness than we do, especially as each city/metro area/state has its own certain identity about what it is. We are a very crowded island some of which is quite nice and some of which is a post-industrial hellhole, and all of which has had its social institutions eroded over the last 40 years to the point where it's basically every man for himself.

And like Spikey says, there was compliance the first time round but when it comes back two and three and four times, all for weeks and months at a time, people just get sick of it.

[Magic]

Celtic. :D

[ItalAussie]

And like Spikey says, there was compliance the first time round but when it comes back two and three and four times, all for weeks and months at a time, people just get sick of it.I also think it helped that our first big lockdown - combined with the border restrictions and early start - basically controlled and eliminated the major threat (touch wood). It helped that it was strict, and there were very few loopholes. I really think having seventeen thousand different loopholes may have seemed like an important quality-of-life measure, but it just helped the disease spread.

After that there have been occasional flare-ups, but I think people see it as a solveable problem rather than fighting the tide like it is there. People are more motivated when they don't feel something is hopeless. It feels like a short but important inconvenience.

[Spikey M]

I also think it helped that our first big lockdown - combined with the border restrictions and early start - basically controlled and eliminated the major threat (touch wood). It helped that it was strict, and there were very few loopholes. I really think having seventeen thousand different loopholes may have seemed like an important quality-of-life measure, but it just helped the disease spread.

After that there have been occasional flare-ups, but I think people see it as a solveable problem rather than fighting the tide like it is there. People are more motivated when they don't feel something is hopeless. It feels like a short but important inconvenience.

Your biggest win was that it happened in the summer time. It turned up over here in January, when every gathering is indoors.

[ItalAussie]

Your biggest win was that it happened in the summer time. It turned up over here in January, when every gathering is indoors.

That's a good point, which I did forget. I think we're generally more outdoorsy as well. I took up kayaking. :D

The one thing that did piss people off was that they took a really long time to let the gyms reopen.

[Magic]

"i CaN tEaCh OnLiNe JuSt As EfFeCtIvElY!"

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-schools-microsoft-teams-struggle-23297807

[niko_cee]

there's probably also something to be said for not being managed by willfully ignorant circus clowns.

Hasn't done Australia much harm.

Madagascar had is sussed years ago. Anyone who's done that, or got as close as possible, have staved this thing off, but most countries simply didn't have the option to even think about doing that in the first place.

Border closures and strict (draconian) enforcement of isolation rules were beyond the wit and capability of most jurisdictions from the outset.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Being a covid stats obsessive (it keeps me sane knowing facts), I found it very curious that today Matt Hancock chose for the first time not to mention the number of daily deaths (just over 500) but to mention the 7 day average (just over 900) instead. They obviously want that number high, in presentational terms, which seems arse about face but what do I know.

[Spikey M]

They need people scared if they've any chance of getting them to do as they're told.

[Don]

Anyone using daily figures for comparison between consecutive days needs COVID-20. BBC News are the biggest culprits I know of. Either use 7-day moving averages or Guardian's comparison to same day last week. Idiots.

[Kikó]

What's the xD today? (Expected deaths)

[randomlegend]

There are hospitals which have had to lower target saturations (the level of oxygen in a patient's blood) to 88% for all patients because they are at critical oxygen supply. It would usually be >95%.

Keep telling us how we could be overwhelmed soon Boris. Overwhelmed was last week.

[Jimmy Floyd]

What's the xD today? (Expected deaths)

High for a couple of weeks and then I think hopefully it's going to start going the other way, based on the direction of the current case data.

I've no idea when you'd start seeing any vaccine effect on deaths. Not yet, but also can't be too long away.

[Don]

Parents are having the Pfizer on Friday. Breaking the dirty ethnic stereotype at every turn, what heroes.

[Spikey M]

There are hospitals which have had to lower target saturations (the level of oxygen in a patient's blood) to 88% for all patients because they are at critical oxygen supply. It would usually be >95%.

Keep telling us how we could be overwhelmed soon Boris. Overwhelmed was last week.

Southend Hospital announced they were running out earlier. Not what you want to hear if you have a loved one in Hospital right now.

[randomlegend]

Our ITU are 30 nurses short of safe staffing levels tonight.

[ItalAussie]

Hasn't done Australia much harm.

Never let it be said that I'm a defender of our Liberal governments, but the UK lot are in a different league.

That said, the best thing our lot did was realise that it needed to be coordinated at state level, rather than federally. They closed the border, put up a bunch of money to make sure that people could keep their jobs, then let the states handle the important decisions.

The UK doesn't really have a layer of government between local councils and national, does it?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Scotland/Wales/NI have national assemblies but England has nothing. Some cities have mayors but they don't have many powers.

[ItalAussie]

Scotland/Wales/NI have national assemblies but England has nothing. Some cities have mayors but they don't have many powers.
The real genius move in the UK would have been closing the county borders and managing the situation at that level, but that would have been such a break from norms that I imagine the pushback would have been too much?

Closing the states here essentially cut off the major cities from each other (given that each state really only has one major city), which went a long way to keeping things contained.

[Spikey M]

The real genius move in the UK would have been closing the county borders and managing the situation at that level, but that would have been such a break from norms that I imagine the pushback would have been too much?


I doubt it. Close the borders between England, Wales, Scotland and NI and nobody would care.

[Shindig]

You'd just anger the border types that work between countries.

[Spikey M]

3 people would care.

[Lewis]

The real genius move in the UK would have been closing the county borders and managing the situation at that level, but that would have been such a break from norms that I imagine the pushback would have been too much?

Closing the states here essentially cut off the major cities from each other (given that each state really only has one major city), which went a long way to keeping things contained.

I don't know about pushback, but political/police/health boundaries all overlap, so it would all have just fallen to bits in about a week.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Counties are only there for administrative reasons really. This is a crowded island with roads everywhere and people everywhere and there's no real gap between any of it. All we could have done was have a maverick in charge and ridden their madness to lucky glory; any vaguely conventional approach to managing/balancing anything here was doomed to failure.

Comparable countries might be the likes of Holland and Belgium, both of whom have also fucked it to varying degrees (especially Belgium).

[Lewis]

Everything should be based on historic county lines, and it would be a brilliant solution to the separatism issue.

[Dquincy]

Our ITU are 30 nurses short of safe staffing levels tonight.

Lazy bastards.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Why would I remove my mask outside if I hadn't washed and sanitised my hands first? That would be mong behaviour.

What do you think people are doing in workplaces when it comes to putting their mask on to go down a corridor etc.?

[Giggles]

What do you think people are doing in workplaces when it comes to putting their mask on to go down a corridor etc.?

If they’re not washing and sanitising their hands first then they’re just imbeciles and it doesn’t matter what else they’re doing.

[John Arne]

There are some places in America having people note their name and contact number before entering a store, which is great... however, somewhat ruined by not providing hand sanitizer beforehand, and then having everyone use the same pen :/

This really isn't rocket science.

[Queenslander]

QR codes are standard in Brisbane.

[ItalAussie]

QR codes are standard in Brisbane.

Sydney too. I watched a video on Youtube recently where they referred to QR codes as "basically extinct", which it turns out aged like milk.

[Queenslander]

I hadnt used them before covid but they are brilliant instead writing down my details. Are you back in Sydney now?

[Queenslander]

Fuck me where is Barnaby when we need him? McCormack is backing Trump and feeding the nut bags all while Scummo is away.


Asked about MPs spreading COVID misinformation, Michael McCormack says 'facts can sometimes be contentious'

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/asked-about-mps-spreading-covid-misinformation-michael-mccormack-says-facts-can-sometimes-be-contentious

Also the SBS and ABC comment section is chock full of Americans now.

[Giggles]

We're officially the biggest shower of cretins.


1347830930845663234

[Spikey M]

That really is one hell of a run up the table. UK slipping back into third after leading for so long.

[Giggles]

The day Martin announced the restriction relaxations for Christmas (so money could be spent) he might as well have just got up and said "Go ahead and do whatever ye like and we'll deal with it in the new year" because that's how everyone took it.

[Luca]

The Czech Republic, Sweden, and US all in the Top 10? mugbull is on the ropes.

[Spikey M]

Superspreading scumbag.

[Spikey M]

Also, every time I see Czechia I think it's Chechnya. Nobody calls it Czechia ffs.

[Giggles]

Not even the Czechs call it Czechia do they?

[Kikó]

The czechs call it Czechia and that's what they want to be called.

[Lewis]

This is what we get for indulging 'Mumbai' and the like.

[Spikey M]

I'm going back to calling it Czechoslovakia and I'm bringing back Yugoslavia as well.

[Jimmy Floyd]

This is what we get for indulging 'Mumbai' and the like.

Nobody realises when using Mumbai etc (all the Indians I know say Bombay) that they're endorsing a bunch of ultra right wing ethno-nationalists who love to kill Muslims, but I guess it's alright because they're brown.

It's a matter of time until they get the country name changed to Bharat, which may sound cool and anti-colonialist but is actually like us renaming England to 'Whiteland'.

[Kikó]

We will be able to call it Whiteland now we've left the EU.

[Lewis]

Ladistan would be my first choice, but I could settle for Whiteland.

[Spikey M]

If India don't go with LegenDheli then they shouldn't be able to change anything ever again.

[John Arne]

The Czechs call it Česko.

Tinpot Tesco.

[Giggles]

Nobody realises when using Mumbai etc (all the Indians I know say Bombay) that they're endorsing a bunch of ultra right wing ethno-nationalists who love to kill Muslims, but I guess it's alright because they're brown.

It's a matter of time until they get the country name changed to Bharat, which may sound cool and anti-colonialist but is actually like us renaming England to 'Whiteland'.

All hail the peace loving empire and back to Bombay.

[Don]

https://i.ibb.co/Lhkc9Rj/image001.png

Has the wonderful progress in treatment meant we now have the useless dying fucks clogging up the health system for longer or is the spike so much bigger this time than it was in April?

[Jimmy Floyd]

All hail the peace loving empire and back to Bombay.

They were happy enough with Bombay from independence until the loonies got in charge in the mid 90s (the loonies are now almost an unchallenged one party state).

[Don]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/12/family-of-25-year-old-covid-victim-plead-with-people-to-follow-rules

https://media.tenor.com/images/42760717818eed09db211635761138c7/tenor.gif

[Lewis]

Fifty thousand reversible 'Clubs Not Chubbs/Stop the Boomerswindle' badges ordered from China.

[CJay]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/12/family-of-25-year-old-covid-victim-plead-with-people-to-follow-rules

https://media.tenor.com/images/42760717818eed09db211635761138c7/tenor.gif

The BBC have ran a few of these weird stories over the last few months. They’re told as if the victim (is that the right term?) is a healthy individual with no issues, but she didn’t look terribly healthy physically to say the least and unsurprisingly had high blood pressure.

[Don]

Magic turning his posts into memes and them finding their way to me on whatsapp. We fucking lav it.

https://i.ibb.co/rdc0yPp/IMG-20210112-WA0021.jpg

[Magic]

:drool:

Ahead of the curve...no pun intended. :)

[Spikey M]

I actually believe that it was intended, sunshine.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Going to have to check the regional breakdown when I get home, but only 45,000 cases on Tally Tuesday suggests we are starting to move in the right direction.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

If they’re not washing and sanitising their hands first then they’re just imbeciles and it doesn’t matter what else they’re doing.

Well it'll be an absolutely tiny percentage that do.

[Giggles]

Well it'll be an absolutely tiny percentage that do.

The numbers check out then anyway.

[Giggles]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/12/family-of-25-year-old-covid-victim-plead-with-people-to-follow-rules

https://media.tenor.com/images/42760717818eed09db211635761138c7/tenor.gif

I know how he feels.

[Pepe]

It remains unclear whether individuals who have been vaccinated can transmit the virus, so the University will continue to require the same testing and behavioral expectations of all community members this semester regardless of vaccination status.

We will be stuck like this for a long fucking while, won't we? :moop:

[Shindig]

Well, we've injected 2.6m so we would see a significant spike off that if the jab was infectious.

[Spikey M]

I think they mean you may still be able to catch it asymptomatically after being vaccinated and still be a transmission risk.

[Boydy]

Can't you still get it even if you've been vaccinated but it just isn't as bad?

[randomlegend]

Can't you still get it even if you've been vaccinated but it just isn't as bad?

I think it depends how good your individual response is.

[Spikey M]

Do you know how likely it is for a large number of vaccinated people to still be spreading it RL?

[randomlegend]

When I was doing prescribing the other day we were just asked to advise people to continue with social distancing etc. for the time being as we don't know if vaccinated people can still transmit it. So no I don't know any more than you at the moment.

[Spikey M]

I suppose it's part of the trouble with a fast-tracked vaccine.

Do people that have had other vaccines generally still transmit?

[randomlegend]

No, but we've never really vaccinated against a similar virus. Flu would be probably the closest but the flu vaccine is very different to the covid vaccine.

[Dquincy]

http://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-im-38-and-i-cant-walk-unaided-young-medics-describe-horrendous-effects-of-long-covid-12186128

"I'm 38 and I can't walk unaided" young medics describe horrendous effects of long covid

Article on long covid.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Another symptom for Taz to claim he has.

[Spikey M]

"I can't smell, I can't taste, I can't resist the urge to steal, I've even been eyeing up some walking boots your honour"

[Shindig]

"I can't even ride this bike I've found. I USED TO!"

[Queenslander]

Strewth that is brutal.


Returned overseas travellers due to be released from quarantine at the Grand Chancellor Hotel in Brisbane on Wednesday remain in their rooms and are expected to be held for another two weeks.

A cleaner who worked at the hotel contracted the highly infectious UK COVID-19 strain last week, and police are combing through four days of CCTV footage to pinpoint the moment of transmission

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/another-14-days-quarantine-for-guests-inside-brisbane-s-hotel-grand-chancellor-20210113-p56tpx.html

[Jimmy Floyd]

The BBC headlines all the way down the front page right now are amazing. The scares just keep on coming. Definitely going for the cluster bomb approach, or maybe the Noel's Gunge Tank approach, depending on which way you look at it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55622553

On the other hand, even Birds of a Feather here can get the messaging more humane and less like talking to children, it's really not difficult.

[Giggles]

We've another Church scandal so Covid isn't even front and centre today. Not sure if that's happened any day since the US election.

https://www.rte.ie/news/

[Queenslander]

We've another Church scandal so Covid isn't even front and centre today. Not sure if that's happened any day since the US election.

https://www.rte.ie/news/

Have your former Prime Ministers come out in defence of the Church like our mob?

[Shindig]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-55642648

Another win for Chinese medicine.

[Giggles]

Have your former Prime Ministers come out in defence of the Church like our mob?

I don't think anyone has defended them in a long time, it's been a long line of these though this is the biggest in a long time.

[Queenslander]

I don't think anyone has defended them in a long time, it's been a long line of these.

That is brutal.

Well Tony Abbott is just over in England if the Church needs a character reference...

[niko_cee]

The Newsnight bit about the EU and the vaccine last might was a bit :harold:/:evictory:/:lewis:.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I genuinely cannot wait until we start donating them our surplus vaccines to help.

[Queenslander]

That is the spirit cobber!


“If we want herd immunity ... then we should be going with the Pfizer and Moderna ones. But if the [AstraZeneca] one is all we've got, we will protect people against COVID-19 to a significant extent, but not as much as the Pfizer one.”

Dr Norman Swan on the debate over the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine.


https://www.facebook.com/72924719987/posts/10162101254769988/

[Lewis]

I don't think anyone has defended them in a long time, it's been a long line of these though this is the biggest in a long time.

When I saw Michael Martin stressing that this was something Ireland did to itself my first instinct was to lol at you all being gutted at not being able to blame us for it, but it seems that there is a real tendency to think of these things as weird church excesses, as if it was all a bit separate and not something that ninety-nine per cent of people would have supported at the time.

Elsewhere, lol at this Chinese vaccine Brazil are using being shit.

[Lewis]

Rangers writing to 'Her Majesty’s Government and the Scottish Government'. :cool:

[Yevrah]

My 91 year old gran has been diagnosed with it today.

Slipped over before Christmas, went into hospital for an operation on her ankle as a result, moved into a care home to recuperate, caught covid.

She's asymptomatic at the moment thank fuck, but what a bollocks.

[Boydy]

That's shit. Hopefully she's okay. Have they not vaccinated over 90s yet? Especially if they were in a hospital or care home?

[Yevrah]

I think she was booked in to have one but the accident got in the way. Proper unlucky chain of events to get to where she is now.

[SvN]

My 91 year old gran has been diagnosed with it today.

Slipped over before Christmas, went into hospital for an operation on her ankle as a result, moved into a care home to recuperate, caught covid.

She's asymptomatic at the moment thank fuck, but what a bollocks.

My brother-in-law's grandfather caught it in similar circumstances. Had a fall, went into hospital, caught COVID. Dead a week later.

[Disco]

My 91 year old gran has been diagnosed with it today.

Slipped over before Christmas, went into hospital for an operation on her ankle as a result, moved into a care home to recuperate, caught covid.

She's asymptomatic at the moment thank fuck, but what a bollocks.

That a shitter, my parents are in their 70's/80's and my Dad is about to be scheduled for a heart valve op. Really hoping it doesn't need to be anytime soon.

[randomlegend]

I know it sounds lame but I'm really enjoying doing the vaccinating shifts. There's a really great atmosphere and sense of togetherness.

[Manc]

Magic Don

[Don]

They're starting to believe in the media hyperbole, aren't they? :happycry:

There was this (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/13/nhs-icu-staff-ptsd-severe-depression-anxiety) harrowing read yesterday which really hit home their struggles. For those unable to digest the article, almost 45% of the useless cunts felt down in July last year. Real shame that they missed out on all the shits and giggles we were all having.

[Magic]

Glad we've taken steps to reduce transmission at takeaways, the no.1 proven spreader.

[Spikey M]

1564 :|

[Kikó]

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?yScale=log&zoomToSelection=true&country=FRA~ESP~BEL~GBR&region=World&deathsMetric=true&interval=smoothed&smoothing=7&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

Interesting seeing our DEATH TOLL v similar European countries. It's exploded.

[Lewis]

Not that I'm trying to skive or anything, but I went back to work last time on 8 June, which was a month since the deaths went below five-hundred and falling, and was down to a couple of hundred a day by that point. We weren't allowed the air condition on for about a month as well. Now we're open, albeit for only two days a week. If the civil service isn't even taking the opportunity not to work then you can see why people generally aren't.

[randomlegend]

They're starting to believe in the media hyperbole, aren't they? :happycry:

There was this (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/13/nhs-icu-staff-ptsd-severe-depression-anxiety) harrowing read yesterday which really hit home their struggles. For those unable to digest the article, almost 45% of the useless cunts felt down in July last year. Real shame that they missed out on all the shits and giggles we were all having.

Critical care is a horrific place to work atm, you cannot comprehend

[Manc]

Israel running away with the vaccination table.

[Spikey M]

I'm sure the Palestinians are getting their fair share.

[mugbull]

The czechs call it Czechia and that's what they want to be called.

This better be some banter

[Jimmy Floyd]

If football tournaments since 1996 are anything to go by, their proper name is 'The Czechs' and their national animal is the dark horse.

[Kikó]

This better be some banter

It's true. I've asked them.

[Spikey M]

You mean you've Czeched with them.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Keeks keeps a pair of chinos in Prague.

[Queenslander]

Covid Camps. :drool:


The Queensland Government will consider using mining camps to quarantine international travellers as the state grapples with a cluster of the highly-contagious UK strain of coronavirus.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk said she would raise the matter with the Federal Government when national cabinet meets next Friday.

"We are going to look at all options and one of those options is to look at some of the mining camps that we have in Queensland," she said.

"Now, for a start, some of these mining camps are four-star.

"My understanding is most of them, the ones we're looking at, have balconies so there's a lot of fresh air for guests and also, too, there's the capacity for all of the staff and the cleaners and everyone to also be based on those sites as well.

"I think this is a rational option and if we are dealing with a strain which is up to 70 per cent more infectious, I think we need to be really serious about it."


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-14/coronavirus-covid-brisbane-hotel-grand-chancellor-quarantine/13054282

[Dquincy]

It's started...

CDC and Pfizer are investigating death of 'very healthy' Miami obstetrician 16 days after he received the vaccine and suffered a brain hemorrhage

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9142877/CDC-Pfizer-investigating-death-Miami-obstetrician-died-two-weeks-getting-vaccine.html

[mugbull]

Aren’t brain hemorrhages well known to hit healthy people at completely random times? Lol at that

[Queenslander]

What a fuck up if true.



#BREAKING: Major concerns have been raised over a reported Covid quarantine breach at a Brisbane medi-hotel.

The Courier-Mail says the incident involves a woman in her 20s. who'd arrived from Lebanon with her father on New Year's Day.

Read more: http://ab.co/3qhbjo4

They'd been in isolation at the Grand Chancellor when the man in his 40s was taken by ambulance to the Royal Brisbane Hospital on Monday night with a medical complaint.

It's understood the woman was allowed to accompany him but was later left to return to the hotel on her own accord.

Both subsequently tested positive to the fast-spreading U-K Covid strain that saw the Grand Chancellor evacuated yesterday.

Queensland Health has been contacted for comment.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-14/coronavirus-qld-overseas-traveller-investigated-hospital-visit/13058886

[Shindig]

He succumbed to a stroke brought on by acute ITP - Idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura - a blood disorder caused by a lack of platelets.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/06/18/37685006-9119431-image-a-58_1609959234661.jpg

A true picture of health. :D

[Yevrah]

My bullshit detector first twitched at the description of his wellbeing. Nobody in all of human history up to now has ever been described as 'very healthy', you'd just say healthy. And with that I knew he wasn't going to be.

[Magic]

I'm loving the (and not being insensitive here) but the TAKE IT SERIOUSLY posts on Twitter, they always end with "yes he had terminal cancer but he had months left!"

[Spikey M]

I have seen lots of those tweets but they have literally never ended with that.

[Magic]

Okay I've only seen one.

[Lewis]

This (https://twitter.com/rowlsmanthorpe/status/1349459843833352192) is a good Twitter thread on compliance. In short, not enough people isolate for long enough when they have symptoms, and the fucking over-sixties are the worst for it.

[Baz]

Had another test today cos I’m going picking up a Pokémon card bundle later (:henn0rz:) so wanted to be able to say I didn’t infect anyone, but the dozy cow at the test place definitely put my number in wrong cos it’s been three hours and heard nothing.

[Spikey M]

I don't know if you mean the test or his money but you're right either way.

[Kikó]

The Daily Mail are a disgrace with their clickbait stories about the vaccine rollout. I could have just stopped after word 6.

[randomlegend]

We did over 900 people at the hospital vaccination centre yesterday. Pretty good going.

[Dquincy]

What about the jabs? Heeyyyooooo

[Jimmy Floyd]

903,000 people live in Norfolk. If you only do 900 a day it will be THREE YEARS before everyone is vaccinated. Slow, slow, slow.

[/twitter replies guy]

[Spikey M]

I reckon I could personally do 1000 in a day.

[randomlegend]

If there was no paperwork, no information to be given, no questions to ask or answer and the vaccine came in prefilled syringes then maybe you could if you vaccinated solidly for 12 hours.

Unfortunately that is not the situation.

[Kikó]

When we've left the EU, the pesky RED TAPE will also go.

[Don]

How many could you do if it was English speakers administering it and not Zimbabweans?

[randomlegend]

I'm in Norfolk mate. I didn't meet a black person til I was a teenager.

[Don]

Balls.

[Foe]

More information on the pokemon cards please. Blastoise shiny included?

[Kikó]

I've bought the Great Reset book that the conspiracy theorists have latched onto. I'm going to find the truth.

[John Arne]

As of today, 1.3% of the worlds population have been infected (positive tests), and 0.03% have died.

#CoronaStats

[Luca]

Open the fucking clubs.

/Taz

[Jimmy Floyd]

Pretty convinced now that we are seeing/have seen the case peak. The first easing of the pressure on hospitals should be about 2 weeks away at most.

The lockdown should spare most regions the worst of what Essex/east London has had.

[Shindig]

Still, I'd like to see the numbers drop right down. At the moment they've plateaued at 45k-ish. In other news, that family friend woman got out of hospital on New Years Eve. Whoop.

[Baz]

Had another test today cos I’m going picking up a Pokémon card bundle later (:henn0rz:) so wanted to be able to say I didn’t infect anyone, but the dozy cow at the test place definitely put my number in wrong cos it’s been three hours and heard nothing.So after not receiving my results from the non-symptom lateral flow test yesterday, my daughter has woken up today with a cough. :moop: So I’ve kept her off nursery and she’s gone for a proper test. I did have a painter and decorator booked today and told him about it when he arrived and he just said ‘no worries’ and started putting his dust sheets down. Top lad.

Having those results from my test would certainly put my mind at ease a bit though. Is there anything I can do to get them? I’ve still got the barcode sticker they used for it.

EDIT: rang 119 and they said the barcode hadn’t been registered. She did that for me on the phone and result came through instantly. Negative again. Not quite up to Offy’s standards but that’s 3/3, phew.

[SvN]

I did have a painter and decorator booked today and told him about it when he arrived and he just said ‘no worries’ and started putting his dust sheets down. Top lad..

Exactly why anyone letting a tradesman in their house right now is a moron.

[Don]

Sir Charles Walker speaks good game.


https://youtu.be/y6FRcufY13c


https://youtu.be/38iTPc7c9SI


https://youtu.be/c8eq8W4-zeM

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55661702

Good shit.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Insurance companies are the world's biggest shedders of tantrum tears, that could get messy.

[Magic]

:harold:

Premiums will rocket beyond belief.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Another one of these charts about willingness to take the vaccine. Not to declare us too 'world-leading', but wtf are the rest of the world thinking?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Erxe_peXMAIpyld?format=png&name=large

Obviously the French should be global pariahs, as all right-thinking people know, but why are, say, the Germans three times more likely than us to say 'no' to it?

[Serj]

The German-speaking world is a breeding ground for all kinds of alternative treatments, homeopathy, and skepticism against "scholarly" medicine in general. I'm not surprised at all.

[Magic]

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2020-11-16/Two%20thirds%20will%20take%20COVID%20vaccine-01.png

[Jimmy Floyd]

The German-speaking world is a breeding ground for all kinds of alternative treatments, homeopathy, and skepticism against "scholarly" medicine in general. I'm not surprised at all.

We (or at least our intelligentsia) tend to hold Germany up as an enlightened society superior in all things, so it took me aback a bit. Every country has its bizarre quirks and failings I guess.

[Giggles]

Need to get the vaccine passports on the go. No card - no entry. Basically treat anyone who doesn't have it like their lockdown never ended.

[Don]

Or hope those that have it die from a complication pls.

[Serj]

We (or at least our intelligentsia) tend to hold Germany up as an enlightened society superior in all things, so it took me aback a bit. Every country has its bizarre quirks and failings I guess.

Homeopathy especially is just firmly entrenched here. Got going in the nineteenth century and I think since it's not actively damaging, we just never got over it (also I think the Nazis gave it state support, make of that what you will).

It was quite a shock for an Australian relative when she went to the pharmacy because of stomach cramps and basically had to bully the people there into giving her something that was not some useless sugar pills.

[Lewis]

I read the other day about these 'alternative' hospitals in Germany, which are all accepted in their health system like actual hospitals, having to take people who wouldn't otherwise go near them and just standing around as they die.

'Yes but their network of technical colleges...'

[Disco]

Homeopathy not actively damaging? Are there two homeopathies and I only know about the awful one?

[Alex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0

[Serj]

Homeopathy not actively damaging? Are there two homeopathies and I only know about the awful one?

Yeah I wasn't quite happy with putting it like that either. I meant in the sense that what is offered as homeopathy is usually pointless instead of poisonous. Of course it's damaging in that people refuse to get proper treatment.

[Baz]

Exactly why anyone letting a tradesman in their house right now is a moron.Thats me. Walls are done and he’s back for the woodwork tomorrow. Oh and to share germs.

Then got a carpet fitter in hopefully next week too.

[SvN]

Thats me.


Yeah, that was sort of the implication.

[Jimmy Floyd]

There was a sitcom-worthy episode at the office earlier in the week whereby the one other person in here was continually stepping out to take calls from a carpet company, becoming more and more flustered as it became apparent that they had stopped going into homes and so weren't going to be installing her new carpet any time soon. There's something I find highly comedic about hearing one half of the conversation like that.

"What do you mean you can't go into homes? Do you expect me to walk on the floorboards until there's a vaccine?"

"Can't you just wear masks? You can't catch Covid with your hands and knees."

"For goodness sake, it's an Axminster!"

[Magic]

Thats me. Walls are done and he’s back for the woodwork tomorrow. Oh and to share germs.

Then got a carpet fitter in hopefully next week too.

Blood on your hands, mate.

[Andy]

Exactly why anyone letting a tradesman in their house right now is a moron.

Were not all idiots.

[Don]

Man, I read that as Andy calling SVN an idiot and got my cock out ready for some action until the penny dropped.

Giggles, you got anything for me tonight, you disgusting prick?

[Giggles]

Man, I read that as Andy calling SVN an idiot and got my cock out ready for some action until the penny dropped.

Giggles, you got anything for me tonight, you disgusting prick?

I’m all out for this evening Taz my man. Feel the love.

[Don]

:happycry: come here, bro.

[Giggles]

:dust:

[Dquincy]

Before pube head starts getting lairy at me again, I did not write the below, but interested if anyone agrees with this viewpoint.

It’s winding me up more and more. Lockdown policies shouldn’t be universal. COVID-19 is a disease that is partly lethal for the fat, the very old, the already-sick and vulnerable.
But public policies have no nuance because they want to maximize fear to enforce compliance. Fuck them!!!
IMO universal lockdown policies devastate us normal people, small and medium sized business and indirectly have a massive affect on adults and children, kill and create drug addicts, increase suicide rates, and in general create tremendous misery and mental anguish to all!
These peripheral effects are getting no play in the prevailing narratives from Boris, but surely they are more important to the masses than locking down the country and printing money to keep people furloughed only for the later generations to pay the price?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm now fairly confident the UK cases peak was on 4 January or thereabouts. That would project a (national) hospitalisations peak of between now and a week's time, and deaths peak of between 1 and 2 weeks' time.

Now we just have to keep vaccinating, keep locked down for a bit, and keep the borders shut so that no other dodgy variants get in.

Coming out of lockdown is harder to predict but I think you can peg it to whenever daily deaths are in low double figures (sub 40, maybe) and it's been established that cases haven't picked up again post-vaccine rollout. I would guess mid-March we might start to see some movement. The Tory headbangers will be wanting it ended much earlier than that, which is a bit of a problem because they are fanatics and will draw out the other fanatics (people who love lockdown and don't want it to end) to scream at them, which will be another frustrating month or so of discourse.

[SvN]

Were not all idiots.

No way of knowing who is and isn't, though.

[Yevrah]

I mean, I know it's mid-March, but you see it written down and that's another 8 fucking weeks of this shit. At least.

[Jimmy Floyd]

We could probably get away with mid February while not killing too many more people as a result (less than 5,000, I would think) but my bet is that they will not do that.

[Kikó]

Before pube head starts getting lairy at me again, I did not write the below, but interested if anyone agrees with this viewpoint.

It’s winding me up more and more. Lockdown policies shouldn’t be universal. COVID-19 is a disease that is partly lethal for the fat, the very old, the already-sick and vulnerable.
But public policies have no nuance because they want to maximize fear to enforce compliance. Fuck them!!!
IMO universal lockdown policies devastate us normal people, small and medium sized business and indirectly have a massive affect on adults and children, kill and create drug addicts, increase suicide rates, and in general create tremendous misery and mental anguish to all!
These peripheral effects are getting no play in the prevailing narratives from Boris, but surely they are more important to the masses than locking down the country and printing money to keep people furloughed only for the later generations to pay the price?

It's bollocks. You can't insulate the vulnerable from the non vulnerable. You can't have partial safety with covid in the community. You can't have normal work force if you have covid in the community. A healthy, covid free population means you can have a return to normal like the many countries that are back to normality.

[Kikó]

We could probably get away with mid February while not killing too many more people as a result (less than 5,000, I would think) but my bet is that they will not do that.

Just give it until the end of February and end of the winter period before rolling into tiered approaches. With the warming weather and vaccine roll out the cases will fall and become controlled.