Coronavirus Death Thread

[Giggles]

That's the way it works though. 3 waves of "Ooh, that doesn't feel great", followed by "I feel fine", followed by "Oh shit, I really don't". With each wave getting worse.

Fingers crossed you still get that big death then.

[Vercetti]

We were told today that "...the health of our colleagues is our foremost concern" and to watch out for symptoms, etc.

Then, in a separate communication, "...symptoms don't mean you have the virus, so keep a cool head and have a think before you send anyone home..."

[Magic]

Lol. Girl that works at Gillies who was in Italy. I was planning on going to the Ferry tomorrow to drink. Hopefully means less busy

So am I mate but I feel like shit.

[Giggles]

So am I mate but I feel like shit.

Were you not blowing on about your untouchable immune system about 8 hours ago?

[Magic]

Were you not blowing on about your untouchable immune system about 8 hours ago?

Yes. Thought I was tired after all the driving and stuff but why am I coughing.

[bruhnaldo]

I don't wanna laugh but fuckin hell Mags

[Magic]

My back and lungs are achy too. This is like the onset of pneumonia. RIP, lads.

[Jimmy Floyd]

We were told today that "...the health of our colleagues is our foremost concern" and to watch out for symptoms, etc.

Then, in a separate communication, "...symptoms don't mean you have the virus, so keep a cool head and have a think before you send anyone home..."

It's mental.

Assuming I don't die, the worst case scenario for me is that I lose my job due to the ensuing recession. And you know what? I'll find another, in the end. People have really lost touch with what matters.

[Bam]

If we still had a proper IRA they could pick off all those cunts returning from the horse racing. We’re going to have a massive spike in the next few days because of the selfish bastards.


Funny, you prick. Hope you and your IRA cunt mates die.

[Lofty]

If this ends up being a storm in a teacup I do fear for Yev's broom.

[Shindig]

Germany's approach:


Germany did not set up border limitations or common health status checks at airports so far. Instead - while in the containment stage - health authorities are focusing on identifying contact persons which are set to personal quarantine and are monitored and tested. Personal quarantine is overseen by the local health agencies. By doing so, authorities try to keep infection chains short leading to curtailed clusters. In protection stage the strategy will change to protect vulnerable persons from getting infected by direct measures. The mitigation stage will eventually try to avoid spikes of intensive treatments in order to upkeep the medical services.

639 new cases. They haven't said anything about infecting with intent but it seems we're following their lead.

[Giggles]

Funny, you prick. Hope you and your IRA cunt mates die.

I hope all the ones who had to go to a horse race festival in the middle of all this are the first to go.

[Bam]

I hope all the ones who had to go to a horse race festival in the middle of all this are the first to go.

No surrender.

[Shindig]

Lads, calm down. We need to infect you so that you can infect others to save lives.

[Boydy]

Tiocfaidh ár lá

[Giggles]

No surrender.

What are you on about you absolute thick fucking shitebag? I’m not talking about you or any of your innit crew.

[Luca]

:D

TTH sparring will be our only form of sport for the next month or more, so revel in this lads.

[Bam]

What are you on about you absolute thick fucking shitebag? I’m not talking about you or any of your innit crew.

Yes you are.

[Giggles]

You couldn’t spar with Bam as you couldn’t exaggerate the thickness levels. I don’t think people come any dumber.

[Giggles]

Yes you are.

No. I’m not.

[Bam]

You couldn’t spar with Bam as you couldn’t exaggerate the thickness levels. I don’t think people come any dumber.

Well I know your some fat cunt that sits on here all day touting some bollocks.

[Lofty]

Who will be the first evictory casualty of this pandemic?

[Giggles]

Well I know you some fat cunt that sits on here all day touting some bollocks.

Not all day.

[Offshore Toon]

If the world goes into lockdown we might finally get a worthwhile WDYTOE.

Bet Kiko will still find some excuse to not get past M, though.

[SincereTheRebel]

TTH Linkup

[Shindig]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2E1t3yMXgE

I feel like we need a big megapost of patient accounts.

[ScousePig]

No signs of school closing, we just have to get the kids to actually wash their hands, pretty sure they had an assembly to show them how:|. In better news though, classrooms all now have soap in them by the sinks and there is even hushed talk that the Y2 boys toilet sinks might be fixed as only one out of four has worked for about a year now. There has however been an acorn on the staff toilet floor for over a week now, which shows just how well they're cleaned each evening.

We've banned parents from attending any events in school for the foreseeable future, so prayers, masses, assemblies, our Easter Liturgy and our cafod 'mad' sales are all kids and staff only. Parents Evening is cancelled. From a selfish perspective, this is all a bit of a bastard with SATs approaching.

Plus the hand washing thing, of course.

[Offshore Toon]

Can somebody who knows more about all this do a Coronavirus prediction thread, like the one we do before the football season? Stuff like will the tube get shut down (and when), will Glastonbury go ahead, will the Premier League be called off etc.

[Yevrah]

I could probably do that, but we need the discussion in one thread, I'm buggered if I'm jumping between two.

[Foe]

So, which share dealing platform should I be on?

Hargreaves Lansdown or IG?

I’m planning on buying some shares of a company or two and just holding them for a few months or year. Not really planning on trading, ISAs or trading. Just owning and holding a couple of big companies shares whilst this virus plays out.

[Vercetti]

It's mental.

Assuming I don't die, the worst case scenario for me is that I lose my job due to the ensuing recession. And you know what? I'll find another, in the end. People have really lost touch with what matters.

In fairness to my lot, if everyone got it, a 3% hit rate would only result in thirty-ish dead staff, country-wide. Small sacrifice to ensure the shareholders are looked after.

[Shindig]

The most at risk at our place have mostly all retired. All except the oldest member of staff. Celebrating 50 years with a Caribbean Cruise. :uhoh:

[Offshore Toon]

I could probably do that, but we need the discussion in one thread, I'm buggered if I'm jumping between two.
The other one would strictly be a prediction thread. It'd just be interesting to see who's talking bollocks because certain members get away with too much on here.

[Giggles]

Apart from this showing the need for stricter regulations on travel, when this is all over there seriously needs to be tighter reins put on the internet.

[ScousePig]

https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-can-herd-immunity-really-protect-us-133583

This explains herd immunity a bit more for the layman. Sorry if it's been posted.

[Yevrah]

I have grave news.

I haven't bothered stockpiling anything yet as unless I catch it (still unlikely at this stage, perhaps very unlikely) there's no point until we're closer to the peak/to the point where it's likely I get it.

But but but, I'm down to my last 2 toilet rolls and my local supermarket hasn't had any for days now. I need to brave a big Tesco or Sainsbury's and I'm going later tonight. Rationale being I'm aiming to hit it when the 16 year olds earning their fun tokens on the twilight shift have either restocked or are in the process of doing so.

It'll be a bit later, but I will report my findings.

I will report back my findings.

[niko_cee]

I'll send you some if you fail in your mission.

[Giggles]

I have grave news.

I haven't bothered stockpiling anything yet as unless I catch it (still unlikely at this stage, perhaps very unlikely) there's no point until we're closer to the peak/to the point where it's likely I get it.

But but but, I'm down to my last 2 toilet rolls and my local supermarket hasn't had any for days now. I need to brave a big Tesco or Sainsbury's and I'm going later tonight. Rationale being I'm aiming to hit it when the 16 year olds earning their fun tokens on the twilight shift have either restocked or are in the process of doing so.

It'll be a bit later, but I will report my findings.

I will report back my findings.

If it’s anything like here then you’re wasting your time looking for bog roll anywhere. A bigger supermarket will just mean they have a bigger empty shelf.

Use the shower head as a bidet.

[Luca]

Can't you do delivery?

Or use a bidet like civilized countries.

[Vercetti]

Even Amazon are out of stock of a lot of toilet roll options.

Outstanding.

[Boydy]

You're probably more likely to find some in a petrol station or corner shop. People seem to have mostly gone straight to the big stores to stockpile.

[Pepe]

You start to think there might be something in his round-the-clock shitfitting, but then you see him recommending not to eat bread or valet park and you write it off as another one of his crank outbursts.

I live for his crank outbursts.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The places to find the sought after items are the places where every bugger isn't going. Smaller and less of a brand name it is, the better.

[Boydy]

Can't you do delivery?

Or use a bidet like civilized countries.

There's about a week's wait for a delivery from all the Tescos near me now.

I made a click and collect order earlier but the earliest I can get it is Tuesday. Who knows if I'll even get the stuff I've ordered.

[Pepe]

Nassim Taleb is the worst “popular science” personality of them all

Popular science lol.

[niko_cee]

It was nothing but 18 packs as far as the eye could see in the bog roll aisle here today.

Pasta was totally out though.

Going to the supermarket now feels a bit like that stockmarket drinking thing pubs used to do (still do?) which saw the likes of Mellin shorting the Cinzano all night until in a state of complete and utter stupor.

[Pepe]

Shit my doctors is closed after loads of people tested positive. I was there on Monday for unrelated tests.

Called it. :cool:

[Vercetti]

I got some from an off-license, a few days ago.

The bloke hadn't even jacked the price up. What a hero.

[/toiletroll]

[Jimmy Floyd]

I have to say I am grateful for two things at the moment which are that I live: a) alone, and b) in an area with an abundance of supply points. I wouldn't fancy being in Boydy's gaff, or Dundee, or any other relative outpost.

[Shindig]

A rare win for County Durham. Although the Chinese masks were out in force today.

[Pepe]

I did my toilet roll stash weeks ago, so no need to worry there, but now online teaching equipment is all gone. Might have to start looting soon.

[Giggles]

I’ll actually miss my weekly shop. Would have always went first thing, stuck a coffee on the trolley, ambled around nice and relaxed, and got a sausage sambo on the way home. Considering there was at least 500 outside it at 7am this morning, God knows what it’s going to be like on a weekend morning.

[ScousePig]

I did my toilet roll stash weeks ago, so no need to worry there, but now online teaching equipment is all gone. Might have to start looting soon.

Not the same situation as you, but I've had to put a contingency plan in place for my kids for if and when schools do close. They'll love me when they see the timetable I've drawn up for them...(not that many/any of them will stick to it). Also, leading teaching resource websites like twinkl and testbase are gearing up for home schooling.

As for bog roll, a pharmacy between here and work literally had piles of it going up to their roof when I drove past yesterday. I think they were taking the piss.

[ScousePig]

I’ll actually miss my weekly shop. Would have always went first thing, stuck a coffee on the trolley, ambled around nice and relaxed, and got a sausage sambo on the way home. Considering there was at least 500 outside it at 7am this morning, God knows what it’s going to be like on a weekend morning.

We do our 'big shop' on a Friday. It was heaving today and plenty of shelves were empty. Tomorrow will be manic; I hate food shopping at the weekend and it reminds me how much I detest people in general.

[Giggles]

I love it but only first thing on a Saturday for the reasons I’d said above. I just wouldn’t go if I had to go when all the other cunts were there or if I had to go to a Lidl or Aldi.

Definitely skipping it this week.

[Shindig]

Aye, anything close to midday is tricky. I've got mine out the way early. Mainly because, if I'm away for a week, I want nothing in that'll spoil.

[Lewis]

I live for his crank outbursts.

All the little weirdos who suck up to him for re-tweets put you off as well.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I went to a big Sainsburys after dinner and they seemed to be stocking the toilet paper back up (slowly).

I got 3 packs of 9. There were a few more of the 9s and quite a lot of the 4s though.

I also live right next to a Tesco express and every time I went in there last week they had stacks though so shouldn't have to worry.

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://twitter.com/iandonald_psych/status/1238518371651649538

Interesting thread here (apols if has already been posted). Like I said yesterday, balls of steel if it pays off.

[Spikey M]

I've got a pounding headache and a dry cough. :uhoh:

[Pepe]

All the little weirdos who suck up to him for re-tweets put you off as well.

I don't really do Twitter, so I don't know, but his books are just one massive rant about everything.

[Pepe]

https://twitter.com/iandonald_psych/status/1238518371651649538

Interesting thread here (apols if has already been posted). Like I said yesterday, balls of steel if it pays off.

"Riskier" does sound like what you should go for when dealing with PANDEMICS.

[Pepe]

I've got a pounding headache

Must be barely detectable lol.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've got a pounding headache and a dry cough. :uhoh:

I've got a definite mild temperature now I think. If it's still here/any worse tomorrow I will be self-isolating. Probably a cold but tbh I wouldn't mind getting it over and done with.

[Boydy]

I have to say I am grateful for two things at the moment which are that I live: a) alone, and b) in an area with an abundance of supply points. I wouldn't fancy being in Boydy's gaff, or Dundee, or any other relative outpost.

Where do you mean by my gaff?

[Yevrah]

https://twitter.com/iandonald_psych/status/1238518371651649538

Interesting thread here (apols if has already been posted). Like I said yesterday, balls of steel if it pays off.

He's nailed it.

It fills all the gaping holes in.

[Yevrah]

Hudson-Odoi reckons he had only it for a couple of days.

Is that possible for all or only a privilege the super fit get?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Where do you mean by my gaff?

Northern Ireland, which I presume is where you live?

[Lewis]

He's nailed it.

It fills all the gaping holes in.

On the other hand, he's got his academic credentials in his Twitter name, which makes him a dickhead.

[Yevrah]

And thinking about that strategy, the really grim bit is that they're knowingly exposing it to people who have underlying health conditions they're unaware of.

Depending on how long the slide into unconsciousness before death takes, this could be an absolutely horrible way to go.

Alone. In a hospital. In a bed if you're lucky. Watching Mrs Brown's Boys.

[ScousePig]

https://twitter.com/iandonald_psych/status/1238518371651649538

Interesting thread here (apols if has already been posted). Like I said yesterday, balls of steel if it pays off.

A fascinating tactical battle between the defensive Italians and the bold Brits.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The first test will be as and when the Italians lift the lockdown, will it start up again.

[Boydy]

Northern Ireland, which I presume is where you live?

Yeah, realised that was probably what you meant after I posted and read your post again. I thought maybe you were being more geographically specific and I was gonna say I'm in Belfast these days rather than Ballybackwards.

Although even then it shouldn't be that bad, I hope.

[Shindig]

I mean, it makes some sort of sense when you consider the Chinese model of locking shit down has nowhere to move because, if they open for business, they're open to more infections again. More nations are reporting cases and the world likes to travel. France, Germany and Spain are on our doorstep and they've not saw fit to close borders. The smaller nations around them have.

You need to be on top of your shit when it comes to monitoring, though. And you really, really have to keep on top of the mortality rate.

[Lewis]

'I'm in Belfast these days. :lewis:'

[Boydy]

Do we know if you can't get infected again for sure yet?

Weren't there stories of people catching it a second time going around?

[Giggles]

There’s probably very little point in us trying to slow it if you lot are actively trying to spread it unless we shut up shop for a while.

I thought our lot were bad but Johnson is just blatantly looking to bury as many pensions as possible.

[Yevrah]

Seriously, tell everyone you know with underlying health problems to isolate now.

This may well be the right call, I'm warming to the insanity/brilliance of it, but it's going to kill a lot more people in the short term than most places further down the line with it than us.

It's this century's version of Turing cracking Enigma but not being able to alert all bombing targets.

[Shindig]

They're basing it off experience with other coronaviruses. You don't get infected with the same strain but you're at risk of relapsing from something else like colds or flu.

[Boydy]

There’s probably very little point in us trying to slow it if you lot are actively trying to spread it unless we shut up shop for a while.
I don't know if it was reported on your news but today Michelle O'Neill said we should be closing schools now because down south are doing it while Arlene Foster maintains we have to follow the UK government and not do it yet so it's become a fucking unionist/nationalist issue.

This fucking place.

[Spikey M]

It will either be;

a) you catch it once, then you're immune.

Or

b) It evolves quickly and there'll be a new strain each winter.

We obviously won't know until next winter and hopefully there's a vaccine by then.

[Giggles]

I don't know if it was reported on your news but today Michelle O'Neill said we should be closing schools now because down south are doing it while Arlene Foster maintains we have to follow the UK government and not do it yet so it's become a fucking unionist/nationalist issue.

This fucking place.

Foster was complaining that we didn’t brief her when we were closing our schools. To coin a local phrase for her, she can away and fuck herself.

[Giggles]

Fuck it, Yev has us all buried already anyway.

[Spikey M]

There’s probably very little point in us trying to slow it if you lot are actively trying to spread it unless we shut up shop for a while.

I thought our lot were bad but Johnson is just blatantly looking to bury as many pensions as possible.



You could always close the border. :baz:

[Giggles]

You could always close the border. :baz:

If only there was a way. I’d love to see it properly closed up regardless.

[Lofty]

Seconding the advice about going to off the beaten track convenience stores for supplies that have been panic bought elsewhere: Sainsburys on Manchester Piccadilly station has all the big panic buy staples in spades.

[Spikey M]

Where's Dave with the van? I feel a road trip coming on.

[Offshore Toon]

Does Sincere have enough fresh socks at hand?

[ScousePig]

There’s probably very little point in us trying to slow it if you lot are actively trying to spread it unless we shut up shop for a while.

I thought our lot were bad but Johnson is just blatantly looking to bury as many pensions as possible.

Sounds like this plan goes way beyond Boris Johnson's intellectual capacity. We'll be lolling our way around the (depleted) country whilst the rest of Europe are spreading it around like wildfire.

[Giggles]

Sounds like this plan goes way beyond Boris Johnson's intellectual capacity. We'll be lolling our way around the (depleted) country whilst the rest of Europe are spreading it around like wildfire.

Is it not just the first stab at “we have to be different now we’re out” and not be seen to be doing anything in line with the rest of the EU?

Like, if the rest of Europe was doing what you are, then you’d be doing what we are.

[Yevrah]

It's a science circle jerk that he's gone along with because it'll put him up there with the great leaders of our time if it's pulled off.

[Magic]

Lol. Girl that works at Gillies who was in Italy. I was planning on going to the Ferry tomorrow to drink. Hopefully means less busy

My god mate fucking ghost town. Everywhere empty.

[Magic]

Panic buying in Sainsburys wasn't the best idea. Only the really expensive shit left. And no pills or toilet rolls.

[Magic]

Do we know if you can't get infected again for sure yet?

Weren't there stories of people catching it a second time going around?

Aren't there different strains kicking about as well? It's a monster.

[Jimmy Floyd]

People are also too predictable with their panic buying. Having got pasta and rice slowly up to the max a couple of weeks ago, I've been going in on things like tinned fruit (which is weirdly untouched everywhere), peanut butter, Nutella, porridge, dried apricots, filled pasta (good best before on that) and, of course, cake.

Frozen pizzas also in the freezer to capacity.

[Manc]

Peanut butter is the one. Meridian or Pip & Nut.

[Giggles]

Peanut butter is the one. Meridian or Pip & Nut.

I bought a big meridian on offer once, opened it, and threw it in the bin. It looked like oily sick.

[CJay]

I bought a big meridian on offer once, opened it, and threw it in the bin. It looked like oily sick.

You have to stir it. The lid even tells you the separation is natural.

[Queenslander]

Ive stocked up on frozen dim sims, frozen pork rolls and frozen dumplings.

My missus and her family are going to Fiji next month for her brothers wedding. Absolute fucking madness but I dont offer my opinion as of yet.

[Lewis]

Yeah and it's wank. Whole Earth is the best brand one (although the big tubs of it also tend to separate), but Lidl do one called Maribel or something which is quality for the money.

[Spikey M]

People are also too predictable with their panic buying. Having got pasta and rice slowly up to the max a couple of weeks ago, I've been going in on things like tinned fruit (which is weirdly untouched everywhere), peanut butter, Nutella, porridge, dried apricots, filled pasta (good best before on that) and, of course, cake.

Frozen pizzas also in the freezer to capacity.

The toilet roll panic is the best. What part of being stuck in their own houses for a couple of weeks makes people terrified of a dirty arse? You have a shower you soppy cunts.

[Giggles]

You have to stir it. The lid even tells you the separation is natural.

Still though. I know they’re all full to the gills with oil but I don’t want to see it separated sitting on top. It’s far too lumpy anyway.

[CJay]

The best peanut butter is made with 100% peanuts, or at worst a pinch of salt. And it has to be crunchy. Chop up an apple and throw a blob of peanut butter on top and go to town.

[Lewis]

That sounds like a gateway into having your dog lick it off your cock.

[Pepe]

The toilet roll panic is the best. What part of being stuck in their own houses for a couple of weeks makes people terrified of a dirty arse? You have a shower you soppy cunts.

How are you going to start the trash can fires without toilet paper?

[Queenslander]

China accusing th America Army of being patient zero is good banter.

[Disco]

It's a science circle jerk that he's gone along with because it'll put him up there with the great leaders of our time if it's pulled off.

Just imagine, Boris winning Wimbledon as a 95° Great British Summer rolls in to save the day.

[thommo]

Debating whether to pop to Tesco in an hour or two rather than mingle with the fucking masses tomorrow. Can't imagine much will be on the shelves past mid-morning with all the fucking drama merchants out in full force, shovelling bog roll and pasta into their trolleys.

[Spikey M]

Just do your shopping online you spastics.

We had ours delivered this morning. Nothing out of stock. 2 'substitutions'. The online shops are done in the early morning before the shops open.

[Yevrah]

Just do your shopping online you spastics.

We had ours delivered this morning. Nothing out of stock. 2 'substitutions'. The online shops are done in the early morning before the shops open.

Can't get anything delivered for a week here.

[Spikey M]

Order a week ahead then. You can edit your order up until midnight the night before.

[Yevrah]

Order a week ahead then. You can edit your order up until midnight the night before.

I need toilet paper sooner.

I'm not stockpiling.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Where do you live, Oxford? If you try hard enough early tomorrow morning you'll find it within the first 6 shops.

[Spikey M]

I need toilet paper sooner.

I'm not stockpiling.

You don't have to. Do a normal shop tomorrow, then go home and do a shop for next Saturday. Order any old shit. It doesn't matter. Then, before midnight on Friday amend your order to what you actually want.

[Yevrah]

I'd genuinely rather go tonight to avoid the crowds (not the virus, actual moron people) and once I have the basics I need I'll get on the online shopping to keep me going from there.

[Kikó]

My local supermarket/newsagent is still well stocked. Islington stands strong.

[Waffdon]

My god mate fucking ghost town. Everywhere empty.

It usually is on a Friday to be fair.

[Yevrah]

Right, I'm off to buy toilet roll. Hopefully.

[Mellberg]

Gut feeling is this will cost Trump the presidency. Biden's nailed it.

Boris' response is interesting and I'm starting to feel it's the right way to deal with it. People are going to die and you're fucked either way. Just let it play out.

[Yevrah]

No toilet roll. I’m here too early. Deliveries are coming in overnight apparently. Shit load of staff re stocking shelves, that are decimated.

This is crazy, but I guess what a genuine global pandemic looks like. Well, the non death side of it at any rate.

Margaret Chan would be so proud.

[Yevrah]

And yeah, Trump’s toast.

[Yevrah]

Oh and I just spoke to a chap working here who was sweating in a way that didn’t look like it had been brought on by the work he was doing.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

RIP.

So long, Yev.

[Boydy]

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Boomers are absolutely fucked in the head.

[Queenslander]

It is the same down here the fried brains that listen to talk back and sky news are blaming the ABC and lefty media lol for causing panic.

[Yeldoow]

I've had a dry persistent cough since Monday and shortness of breath and chest pains since Wednesday. I tried to get a doctor's appointment this morning as I rather miss being able to breathe freely but they of course didn't want me anywhere near the place and sent me to 111.

After about 4hrs (across 3 calls) on hold with 111 they sent me to A&E. A doctor met us outside and took me an isolation room and in the space of 30 minutes did all the standard obs, took a shitload of blood, did the Covid19 test (which is unpleasant) and a chest x-ray. Waited 2 hours for the results of the blood test to confirm I have a viral infection. Now I have to wait 3 days to find out if it's Covid19 and isolate for 7 days.

They couldn't do anything to help with the breathing though.

[Boydy]

What is the covid-19 test?

[Yevrah]

Shit Yeldoow. Sorry to hear that dude.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Bets on the first TTHer with Coronavirus are suspended.

[Yevrah]

I'm back from my trip, with some observations:

Firstly, I got everything I wanted, bar the toilet roll. When I saw there wasn't any I wasn't going to bother with anything, but then it hit me, if I catch this cunt then I'm potentially not going to be able to leave the house for anything from 2 weeks+ without the risk of infecting others - I know the government want me to do that, but I'd rather not and even if I could guarantee I won't am I really going to want to get out if I'm feeling fucking awful. So back in I went perusing all the isles with one of the smaller trolleys. They were restocking furiously, so this meant much of what I wanted was available, albeit not some of the usual brands.

While toilet roll and eggs (no, I don't know either) were all gone, Nurofen was back on the shelves and I was also able to get some pasta, chopped tomatoes and all the tinned goods. There was one brand of pasta that was strangely still all there. Thinking it must be coeliac shit to start with, I initially dismissed it, but then the words MADE IN ITALY jumped out at me and that explained that. Picked 5 bags up (the max I could as per their polite request) and this theme repeated elsewhere. Chopped tomatoes. Pesto. Anything with made in Italy on the front is untouched.

After doing a few circuits I ended up with a trolley full of stuff that eventually amounted to just under £200, but that included toiletries, and household products. Up to this point it had been plain sailing, the place was reasonably dead and easy to navigate, bar the shop floor lads who were moving cages and unpacking them at an impressive rate. Then I got to the counter and as all the actual tills were closed I had to use a self service one, which for that much shopping was a right fucking ball ache. The technology on these things is now so outdated they make the McDonald's touch screen machines (before they patched them) look good.

I know some of you may think that much stuff is excessive, but I don't consider it stockpiling. I've just bought some non-perishable items, 2-4 week's worth, that will comfortably see me through should I catch it and be ill at home on my own. My Mum is in her mid 60s now so there will come a time in the not too distant future where I'd rather she didn't leave the house for a bit and most of my other friends and relatives round here have kids and I don't want to burden them with helping me unless I'm seriously ill. This food will be kept only to be eaten if and when I catch it and I'd suggest anyone living on their own do likewise.

Actual stockpiling may come later, depending on how it develops in other countries that are ahead of us in the spread of this fucker.

[-james-]

I was planning on going climbing (indoors) tomorrow but it suddenly feels like a rather daft thing to do. This shit is going to get boring very fast. What about my gainz?

[Yevrah]

Oh and this may have been mentioned already here and I'm just regurgitating it without realising. Apologies if so, I've absorbed more information in the last 36 hours than any time I can remember, so keeping track of what I heard where is hard.

But, if herd immunity only works if 60%+ of the herd have it, we're going to need to have over 39m infected people for that to be the case, which in turn will lead to somewhere in the region of 750,000 to 1.5m people dying, many of which in a much shorter space of time than any other country will experience. For this to stand any chance of working the government either need to have a plan that is so Machiavellian and brilliant that they've factored the inevitable early doors rebellion into it or come clean with people about the longer term impact they believe will happen if we do what every other country is doing and get buy in.

I can't see how either of those options feasibly work.

[John Arne]

Meanwhile in Prang Sam Yod, Thailand, there were mass brawls on the streets as rival gangs fought for food. Oh yeah, they are monkeys. #CoronaAffectsAll


https://youtu.be/1v9VwC3sWdc

[Yevrah]

I knew the monkeys in Thailand were vicious and bold little fuckers, but that is another level.

[Queenslander]

Lewis

Warriors wont be playing in the NRL this season as New Zealand impose mandatory 14 day isolation from Australia.

And I guess Super Rugby Season is over as well.
Details.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/countries/new-zealand/cricket-australia-new-zealand-coronavirus-odi-series-forced-to-fly-home/news-story/5bdd00facf4cdbfe0195bc883b4db52f


From New Zealand PM

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/coronavirus-all-travellers-will-have-to-self-isolate-on-arrival-in-new-zealand-sans-those-from-pacific-islands


Ill say it again Boris is off his head.

[Yevrah]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-italian-town-turns-chapel-into-mortuary-chamber-as-it-struggles-to-cope-with-deaths-11956870

:|

Turns out you do get to watch Mrs Browns Boys as you go.

[Queenslander]

I mean fuck

Dr Cortellaro told Italian newspaper Il Giornale: "You know what's most dramatic? Seeing patients dying alone, listening to them as they beg you to say goodbye to their children and grandchildren."

[Boydy]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-italian-town-turns-chapel-into-mortuary-chamber-as-it-struggles-to-cope-with-deaths-11956870

:|

Turns out you do get to watch Mrs Browns Boys as you go.

Christ, that's horrible. I thought you'd have passed out by that point and then just slip off.

[Yevrah]

Yep, I'd have thought so too.

I guess respiratory failure means just that, the rest of you is ok, your lungs just stop, but simultaneously gradually and pronounced enough for you to know it's game over.

[Yevrah]

The Covid-19 test is unpleasant because they shove a swab quite far up each nostril by all accounts.

[phonics]

We’ve got higher numbers of cases and literally border Italy and haven’t managed to fall apart. People are just being absolute mongs at this point. Friend of mine who lives in one of those hellish commuter towns near London took a picture where all the fresh veg was decimated. Just complete idiots left and right.

[Giggles]

In think that’s enough of this for me. I’ve logged out of twitter and this is second worst on my list of horror glee. Catch you in the other side hopefully lads.

[John Arne]

Is there actually anybody testing/monitoring in the UK?

For example, this morning I had my temperature tested when I left my apartment (and provided hand sanitizer), I drove to Maccies for breakfast and was tested again (and required to use hand sanitizer), went to the mall (provided hand sanitizer), came home and had my temp checked by security at my apartment block. I have a suspicion fuck all is happening in the UK... would that be right? Yevrah ?

[phonics]

Lol that’s not happening in non herd immunity countries let alone the uk.

[Shindig]

I want out as well. I spent way too much time last night thinking.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Is there actually anybody testing/monitoring in the UK?

For example, this morning I had my temperature tested when I left my apartment (and provided hand sanitizer), I drove to Maccies for breakfast and was tested again (and required to use hand sanitizer), went to the mall (provided hand sanitizer), came home and had my temp checked by security at my apartment block. I have a suspicion fuck all is happening in the UK... would that be right? Yevrah ?

That would be right. I don't think that sort of thing is happening in any European country, though.

[niko_cee]

Isn't 'that sort of thing' largely pointless? You just take a few paracetamol, which lowers your body temperature (why they make you feel better) and then breeze past the temperature testers?

[niko_cee]

Shit's going to well and truly hit the fan in the US - is their health system at all geared up to helping the large swathes of the uninsured who are bound to get this? Reckon it could take out Trump, Biden and Bernie, they're all ancient.

Battyboy 2020 (2021) could be back on.

[Queenslander]

Drive through swab testing has started in Toowoomba and on the Sunshine Coast.

Im at the pub sitting jn the corner in an attempt to watch the Rugby Union.

[Foe]

Think I’m going to catch this because as mentioned above, places like gyms are gong to be rife with it and I’ll be damned if I’m not going.

Did realise yesterday that this is a great time to play golf though. Fresh air, plenty of quiet and not close contact.

[Mike]

Woke up with a cold, so I’ve deffo got it. See ya lads!

[John Arne]

Isn't 'that sort of thing' largely pointless? You just take a few paracetamol, which lowers your body temperature (why they make you feel better) and then breeze past the temperature testers?

I don't think it's that pointless. Anybody who is told they have a high temperature then goes for a actual test, self-isolates, or submits to a quarantine center. It seems to be a quick and easy way to possibly detect it. The lack of spread here would also indicate that it is working (amongst a lot of other factors).

[Shindig]

Quick and you don't have to worry about having a hard limit on your day's testing.

[Yeldoow]

What is the covid-19 test?


The Covid-19 test is unpleasant because they shove a swab quite far up each nostril by all accounts.

They swab the inside of your mouth and both nostrils and the doctor who did it to me said the guidelines are to stick it far enough up your nose to produce tears.

[Spikey M]

Lovely.

[Bernanke]

Dr Cortellaro went on to say how coronavirus patients arrive on their own, and "when they are about to die, they sense it".

"They are lucid, they do not go into narcolepsy. It is as if they were drowning, but with time to understand it," he said.

Fuck. That.

[John Arne]

All bars, restaurants, karaoke, beer clubs, nightclubs and hotel F&B outlets shut in District 1 from 6pm today. Other districts expected to follow suit. Booooored.

https://gyazo.com/0bcce6db464ee1829b2c63814dbb8612.jpeg

[niko_cee]

Whatever works though. Vietnam currently experiencing the phenomenally low infection rates seen in India, Russia, the Philippines, Pakistan, Cambodia . . .

[Boydy]

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Christ.

[Boydy]

Whatever works though. Vietnam currently experiencing the phenomenally low infection rates seen in India, Russia, the Philippines, Pakistan, Cambodia . . .

We need to stop thinking like this.

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And they're giving out food to the quarantined so it stops all this panic buying shit we have.

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[John Arne]

Fuck you all.

TEAM VIETNAM

[John Arne]

That said I've just headed into the city to see the shutdown take place. It's happening but it's still a bit edgy. Could kick off.

[John Arne]

And they're giving out food to the quarantined so it stops all this panic buying shit we have.


Plus we have bum guns, so no need to buy toilet paper. #BumGun

[John Arne]

Jesus. Things are moving fast suddenly here.
Starting from next week, masks must be work in all public places including public transport, supermarkets and airports

[niko_cee]

Just realised we make it onto that worldometer thing, but lumped together as Channel Islands, so we have to live with Jersey making us look bad.

[Magic]

Nooo I went for a walk and my coughing is worse. This is how my pneumonia started last time.

[Disco]

I need a haircut, that's the extent of my panic shopping, I do hope my barber isn't a statistic yet.

[Shindig]

I've had a haircut. I was planning to go into town for a couple of things but they're doing roadworks. I can't disobey an orange plastic barrier.

[Max Power]

Day one of no sport. Think I’m going to watch World at War - got it all recorded on my planner from ages ago but haven’t watched it.

[Disco]

I have the complete This Sceptred Isle somewhere, this may turn into the perfect opportunity to finally get through it.

[Ian]

I've just been the shop and it was busy but decidedly non-apocalyptic. There was even some loo roll still on the shelves, some of it hardly used which is pretty good for Hamilton.

[Boydy]

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[Lewis]

I'm not sure how you interrogate an approach with statistics gathered from unrelated approaches. It's a bit like saying that people who owe their Twitter prominence to backing a bloke who lost two elections are bound to be getting this all wrong.

[Boydy]

I'm not sure how you interrogate an approach with statistics gathered from unrelated approaches.
What so because we're taking a different approach of getting the majority of the population infected the death rate is going to change?


It's a bit like saying that people who owe their Twitter prominence to backing a bloke who lost two elections are bound to be getting this all wrong.

I knew when I saw you posted it'd be about who tweeted it. I'd have posted the video on its own if I could. Who tweeted it is irrelevant.

[Boydy]

Also if we're not testing everyone how are people supposed to know whether they've had it and are now supposedly immune (something we're also not sure definitely happens or how long it lasts for yet either)?

[SincereTheRebel]

P0rnhub have given Italians free premium access.VPN at the ready

[Shindig]

I mean, they're pulling this in the delay phase with all the measures that comes with it. They're still looking to flatten the curve but I'm not sure about the one-week quarantine. I guess that frees up the NHS a little but you run the risk of some relapses.

[Lewis]

That seems to be the assumption. They might be wrong. Who knows? But having a background announcing 277000 deaths as part of 'UK PLANS' is misleading on various levels, and something which the sort of people who thought Newsnight edited a hat to make Jeremy Corbyn look like a Russian stooge would normally be all over were it not feeding their existing feelings.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Virus is not a political issue. Political journalists should all be sent home.

[Manc]

Boyd now leading Team Panic.

[Lewis]

Also, the mongs who are calling our media are shit are all over the 'u-turn' news today, which 1) isn't news; and 2) isn't a reversal of policy.

In other news, I notice Bitcoin has completely shat this all out. Wasn't it meant for things like this?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm still trying to decide whether to isolate. I have the mildest of mild temperatures (like, one shiver an hour). I had the mildest of mild sore throats last night, but that's gone. No other symptoms.

In normal times I would barely notice it, but now it could be mass murder if I even put the bins out.

[thommo]

Wandering around Carmarthen today and lots of food on the shelves, bog roll still readily available. The town itself is still pretty busy. Complete contrast to the panic I would assume happening if I just stuck to the internet.

[niko_cee]

Presumably the government are factoring in a massive expansion of the birth rate in 9 months time with nothing else for people to do with themselves, which should easily offset the death toll.

Without wanting to spoil the fun, though, isn't the mortality rate more driven by relative availability of appropriate healthcare than, necessarily, by the deadliness of the illness itself?

Personally I think they should have used that study Kiko linked to where if you take total deaths to date, and divide them by how many cases we knew about 3 months ago you get a mortality rate well in excess of 100%.

[Lewis]

Do we win the Six Nations if it gets canned?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Yeah, and I guess delaying the peak will buy them more time to make more ventilators.

Yeah to Lewis as well. We are the default winners.

[Shindig]

Better yet, can we sub in two more nations whilst France and Italy rebuild? Germany might want a go.

[Foe]

Gym was an absolute ghost town this morning.

Going to be great this, if you’re willing to take a little bit of risk and back yourself to recover if you do catch it.

[Shindig]

There's a 24 hour Gym free to use at the hotel I'm going to. I am semi-tempted.

[Pepe]

Went to Walmart this morning. The toilet roll was, unsurprisingly, all gone, but there were out of other items: Arizona iced tea, all kinds of chips, those instant microwave soups, most pasta (except De Cecco, which is the one we get). I think that was it.

[niko_cee]

Someone told me the toilet roll thing is because the Mayor of Wuhan, apropos of nothing at all, said something along the lines of "don't worry, we're not going to run out of toilet paper" and, obviously, everyone took that to mean quite the opposite. Sounded apocryphal to me, but I'd like it to be true.

[Bernanke]

De Cecco is easily the best "standard store pasta" by a mile.

[-james-]

Gym was an absolute ghost town this morning.

Going to be great this, if you’re willing to take a little bit of risk and back yourself to recover if you do catch it.

Backing yourself to recover isn't really the point. It's that there's a chance you might kill someone.

[Pepe]

De Cecco is easily the best "standard store pasta" by a mile.

Definitely.

Cat litter was also running quite low, so I grabbed a few bins.

In other news, rumors are going around that some students refuse to leave and have rented apartments in town and are planning to throw a massive party today. :harold:

[Lewis]

Backing yourself to recover isn't really the point. It's that there's a chance you might kill someone.

https://i.imgur.com/jcpbXHm.png

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

As a result of the travel restrictions imposed on all foreign flights announced by the Governments of Poland and Moldova effective as of 00:00 HRS March 15, 2020, we will be suspending all our flights to and from Poland and Moldova until further notice. At this time no foreign citizens will be allowed to enter Poland or Moldova, while Polish citizens arriving to Poland from abroad will be placed in quarantine.

Also, Polish people who fly back into Poland are subject to a 14 day quarantine.

[Shindig]

Well, that's one of our IT blokes fucked. He hops back there every weekend.

[Disco]

Do we win the Six Nations if it gets canned?

We'll chuck it away in August like we did when we all died of Foot & Mouth that year.

[Disco]

Better yet, can we sub in two more nations whilst France and Italy rebuild? Germany might want a go.

Finally the mad Georgians could get their chance. :drool:

[ScousePig]

21 Brits gone now.

[Spikey M]

It's everywhere now anyway, stop fucking about with borders and quarantine.

[Shindig]

UK deaths have doubled in 24 hours. There was me hoping if we kept it smaller we could justify our stance.

[Shindig]

And now my flight's been rebooked. Newcastle at 7am. Not the fuck on.

[Yevrah]

Is there actually anybody testing/monitoring in the UK?

For example, this morning I had my temperature tested when I left my apartment (and provided hand sanitizer), I drove to Maccies for breakfast and was tested again (and required to use hand sanitizer), went to the mall (provided hand sanitizer), came home and had my temp checked by security at my apartment block. I have a suspicion fuck all is happening in the UK... would that be right? Yevrah ?

Sorry gents, late to the party.

Nothing is happening. Flights, if you can get one, are still moving freely. You could argue it would be pointless to do anything at this stage, but the peak is certainly not being suppressed as I can see.

[Yevrah]

Think I’m going to catch this because as mentioned above, places like gyms are gong to be rife with it and I’ll be damned if I’m not going.

The majority, perhaps vast majority, are going to catch it Foe. You won't be excluded from that.

[Yevrah]

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Christ.

That's what it looked like in my Tesco last night. Stock is strewn everywhere because the shop staff are replenishing the shelves.

Such a misrepresentation that post.

[Yevrah]

UK deaths have doubled in 24 hours. There was me hoping if we kept it smaller we could justify our stance.

This is the problem with public buy in, we won't be keeping it smaller in the short term with this approach. We could well get to the point relatively quickly where Italian cases/deaths are dropping and ours (over the same time period) are rising.

[Shindig]

That's what it looked like in my Tesco last night. Stock is strewn everywhere because the shop staff are replenishing the shelves.

Such a misrepresentation that post.

Aye, it's all in sight, too. "Behold, these boxed Pot Noodles!"

[Yevrah]

Looking at the various ways countries have reacted to this in Europe, there's a chance it might also bring down the EU.

[Jimmy Floyd]

This is the problem with public buy in, we won't be keeping it smaller in the short term with this approach. We could well get to the point relatively quickly where Italian cases/deaths are dropping and ours (over the same time period) are rising.

The key part of the Italian case will be just how long they can actually keep this lockdown going. If it gets to 4 and 5 weeks, and cases/deaths start to drop, how long do they keep it going? Three months? A year?

We'll also need to see what happens in China and Korea if and when they start lifting the lockdown.

[Lewis]

Which is the point of our approach.

[Shindig]

BA kicked me straight off their helpline. PUT ME ON HOLD!

[Yevrah]

The key part of the Italian case will be just how long they can actually keep this lockdown going. If it gets to 4 and 5 weeks, and cases/deaths start to drop, how long do they keep it going? Three months? A year?

Indeed, and I'm not saying our approach is necessarily wrong, for this very reason, but lockdowns will stop cases spreading, at least in the short term, which will be perceived as a success by the vast majority of people.

If we're then sat there, in it for the long haul, with deaths and cases still rising exponentially, while looking abroad at measures which are seemingly working, we're going to have civil un-rest on a scale of medieval proportions.

[Yevrah]

The FTSE is probably going to collapse as well.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Unless it comes back for a second spike in Italy/China/Korea, in which case our situation will start to make more sense.

What Twitter people are unable to grasp at the moment is that day by day conclusions simply cannot be drawn, at least not by us sitting on the sofa. We'll just have to see how it plays out.

[Shindig]

Nah, I still think we should've locked down travel. So many cases were linked to it early doors and even a brief halt could've allowed us time to track passengers.

[Yevrah]

Unless it comes back for a second spike in Italy/China/Korea, in which case our situation will start to make more sense.

Yeah, of course. But what happens in between that time. Our cases are rocketing and everywhere else (bar the US, they are utterly fucked) are going down.

And these conclusions are fine to be drawn, the government have told us what they're trying to do, albeit not in so many words, so we're going to get a lot of dead and people can't handle that.They'll handle it even less well if its a disproportionate number for a few days, let alone the weeks/months this might take.

[Lee]

Alright, chaps.

Thought I’d log back in as I might be able to provide some insight into how the Trust I work in is trying to manage this. And I’m going to need something to do if we enter full lockdown mode and one can only masturbate so much.

For context, my organisation has five hospital sites over a city and three towns in the Midlands. Two of those hospitals are acute sites and so will be taking Covid-19 patients.

So far the two acute sites have set up ‘cohort’ wards for patients with respiratory symptoms who require admission. We have already ring-fenced ICU capacity for Covid-19 patients only. I don’t know if those areas are full yet but suspect not as it’s something we’d likely be hearing about. What I do know is that the remaining ‘normal’ ICU capacity is full. Patients will move in and out as they do anyway but there is now clearly going to be very little tolerance in terms of capacity. The concerns about not having enough ICU capacity nationally are very real.

I’ve received word today that visiting patients is now done with immediate effect, other than in a small number of exceptional circumstances. My team (I’m a corporate programme wanker these days so further removed from the frontline than previously) will be meeting on Monday to discuss our contingency plans which are based on the existing national pandemic plan. Some will start working from home, some have clinical backgrounds so are likely at some point to be drafted into patient care, others like me have operational backgrounds and will probably be shifted into managing capacity and demand. But that’s me just reading between the lines for now.

I can’t imagine it will be long now before all routine outpatient appointments and surgery is scrapped. Everything will be moving away from scheduled stuff towards acute medical care. It’s just a matter of time. Like everybody else we are relying on the government’s plan being the right one. I have no particular insight as to whether it is or not. We do have consultants who are worried about it but they’re not epidemiologists. I doubt very much that even cancelling routine stuff is going to give us anything like enough capacity (that’s not just beds, it’s people, kit etc) to cope very well with the peak of this.

[Pepe]

Look at all The Group coming back to seek shelter now. :harold:

PISS OFF WE'RE FULL!!!!

[Yevrah]

Fucking hell, good to see you.

Will you be staying? I'd like to know what the insiders view of how the NHS is coping vs. what the government tells us.

EDIT: I mean I know it's not going to cope, no healthcare system could, but I'm curious nonetheless.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Fuck The Group.

[Lee]

Fucking hell, good to see you.

Will you be staying? I'd like to know what the insiders view of how the NHS is coping vs. what the government tells us.

EDIT: I mean I know it's not going to cope, no healthcare system could, but I'm curious nonetheless.

Depends what you mean by ‘coping’. As well as any health system which has been underfunded and understaffed against significant growth in activity. Not as well as it could be, but it isn’t about to collapse beyond usefulness and the government doesn’t have a dastardly plot to privatise it.

It is obviously going to struggle very badly through this crisis. We do have the advantage of being centrally controlled whereas in Lombardy there is some privatisation and thus fragmentation of resources and response. But in the context of years of shit funding that might end up being useless. We don’t know.

As for staying; dunno. Like most things I do and am not paid for it depends if it’s going to be fun or not.

[Lee]

Look at all The Group coming back to seek shelter now. :harold:

PISS OFF WE'RE FULL!!!!

Promoting herd immunity, you ought to be grateful. The place isn’t really full though, is it?

[John Arne]

Fuck me. Every Trump press conference is just a self-flagellation train wreck.

Live now.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Auq9mYxFEE

[Jimmy Floyd]

There must be a real discussion going on at the CIA (or whoever does these things) as to whether to bump him off.

[Max Power]

That cap ffs :D:

[John Arne]

https://gyazo.com/367acf90c338813715b6dd66971533e0.jpeg

:D

[John Arne]

UK and Bottom Ireland to be added to no-entry list on Monday.

[Yevrah]

He doesn't have a clue, does he? Words just spill out.

[John Arne]

That was quite possible one of the worst press conferences I've ever seen. Constant self-congratulation, rambling, mumbling and completely lacking clarity, direction and information. Genuinely embarrassing.

[Foe]

He’s been doing that before he got elected.

The American public don’t care. The educated can tell he’s a rambling idiot, but there aren’t enough of them to count in a vote.

[Yevrah]

They'll care when the US are at the top of that league table.

[John Arne]

Current Top 10 by Total Cases per 1m population

https://gyazo.com/b57cb57a2b13886bce1872d5a1256e65.jpeg

[Bernanke]

Man, Norway sneaking up from behind in the medals table. I guess this is a winter sport still

[Shindig]

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaay!

[ScousePig]

Indeed, and I'm not saying our approach is necessarily wrong, for this very reason, but lockdowns will stop cases spreading, at least in the short term, which will be perceived as a success by the vast majority of people.

If we're then sat there, in it for the long haul, with deaths and cases still rising exponentially, while looking abroad at measures which are seemingly working, we're going to have civil un-rest on a scale of medieval proportions.

I was thinking that, and then we end up with the worst of both worlds.

Trust the government, people :eek:

[Disco]

WWE did an empty arena show last night but they forgot the world feed doesn't stop for adverts when the US networks do. Whoops.


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[Boydy]

WWE did an empty arena show last night but they forgot the world feed doesn't stop for adverts when the US networks do. Whoops.


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Tweet seems to be gone already. Not loading and following the link days it doesn't exist.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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[Yevrah]

What did people think they did? :cab:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Wouldn't they keep wrestling if a crowd was there? I've never been to a live show.

[Shindig]

Rest holds. A quick read of BA's response to the travel ban is they won't do a refund but might offer a BA travel voucher.

[Disco]

What did people think they did? :cab:

Well they don't stop like that when there's a crowd watching is the point.

[Yevrah]

Must be a wrestling thing, lost on me.

[Boydy]

Can you not hear a lot of what they're saying to each other when there's no crowd?

[niko_cee]

8 of these new 10 deaths were men, over 80 with underlying health problems. Are these type of people not dying all the time anyway? Is there going to be a way to accurately determine whether more people are dying with this about than simply do normally?

Mother and newborn baby infected sounds an interesting test case, for a number of reasons.

[Yevrah]

That looks a bit like a "this isn't that serious" post.

[Shindig]

Full refund. :rave:

[niko_cee]

Once you've picked a side you have to stick with it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I can confirm that new applications to Team Panic are now CLOSED.