Coronavirus Death Thread

[Jimmy Floyd]

People who don't read (not necessarily the papers, but just don't read anything at all) probably have absolutely no idea when it's going to end.

It won't hold past July though I don't think. That will have been the best part of 4/5 months, the worst of the deaths will be behind us and people will just have had enough.

[Bernanke]

What's the latest on seasonality of it?

[Yevrah]

What's the latest on seasonality of it?

There isn't any, is there?

[Jimmy Floyd]

A resident at a Michigan nursing home who had tested positive for Covid-19 pleaded with her Amazon Alexa device to help her cope with her pain before dying alone, recordings have revealed.

LouAnn Dagen, 66, asked the device for help nearly 40 times, according to the recordings given by her sister to local station WOOD-TV

"Alexa, help me," Dagen is heard saying. "Can you help me cope with the pain? Oh, Alexa, I'm going to hurt."

Dagen was one of 31 residents and five staff at the Metron of Cedar Springs who tested positive for the coronavirus, according to WOOD-TV.

Her sister, Penny Dagen, told the station that the home - where she had lived for almost 10 years - had already given LouAnn pain medication.

"I'm sorry I couldn't help you more. I'd take your pain away," Penny said.

That is fucking bleak.

[Lee]

There isn't any, is there?

We’ve no idea. The research that exists suggests there might be some but we don’t have enough data to be sure.

It would be strange if there were no seasonality. Even if heat and humidity don’t kill it they will slow transmission simply on the basis that people don’t crowd together so much in the summer months. But because there’s no immunity the impact of seasonality will be smaller now than in future years.

[Lewis]

The media switching from bealing about restrictions being phased in too slowly to shitting themselves with boredom after three weeks of them is a lovely thing to witness. Plus one for the behavioural scientists.

[Don]

That would make for a refreshing antidote to that blind woman Alexa ad.

Also, lockdown till July? Calm yourself down, man. June will see us out.

[Lewis]

I think from June they will start to row things back in the order that they came in. So the shops will open up, then the gyms and that a few weeks later, and so on and so on until we're back to normal by about September to get a mild case of it each before the SECOND WAVE.

[Spoonsky]

I'm wondering if my uni will be online next semester or not. I'll probably go to Montreal either way because five months in Utah will have been enough at that point.

[Queenslander]

Ruby Princesess crusie ship is under a criminal investigation.


NSW Police seize Ruby Princess's 'black box' in overnight raid for coronavirus investigation

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-09/nsw-police-seize-black-box-in-ruby-princess-coronavirus-probe/12135832?pfmredir=sm&sf232519309=1&utm_medium=spredfast&utm_content=sf232519309&utm_campaign=abc_news&utm_source=m.facebook.com

[mugbull]

May is gonna be the month of loosening restrictions, no doubt about that

[Spikey M]

It's going to be a gradual thing and the brakes are going to be going on and off for the rest of the year I reckon.

[Yevrah]

This really is fucking the European Project right in the respiratory tract.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52224838

[Jimmy Floyd]

Imagine being in that loser organisation.

[Shindig]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52219930


On Tuesday, staff were told by a Home Office scientific adviser 80% of people would get Covid-19 in the end and "we can't hide away from it forever"

According to the transcript, the Home Office deputy scientific adviser, Rupert Shute, told those listening that staying at home was important but "we also have to keep functioning our lives".

"You are no more at risk at the workplace as you would be in your home or at the supermarket. It is about minimising it," he said.

Someone give Shute a kick up the cunt.

[Yevrah]

They can administer the same to these people while they're at it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-52221688

Street parties? Bouncy castles? What in the fuck?

[Kikó]

The sooner we ban Kiko the better.

Beta cuck.

[Lofty]

Father in law got informed he was being furloughed yesterday afternoon, today is payday. They paid him the furlough rate for the month despite him having worked as normal until being informed yesterday. They will probably claim he is being paid a month in hand but it's a cunts trick.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Father in law got informed he was being furloughed yesterday afternoon, today is payday. They paid him the furlough rate for the month despite him having worked as normal until being informed yesterday. They will probably claim he is being paid a month in hand but it's a cunts trick.

Surely 100% illegal

[Yevrah]

Father in law got informed he was being furloughed yesterday afternoon, today is payday. They paid him the furlough rate for the month despite him having worked as normal until being informed yesterday. They will probably claim he is being paid a month in hand but it's a cunts trick.

As well as being a cunt's trick, if it isn't paid in advance that sounds distinctly illegal.

If they're claiming that back and he isn't paid in advance then they're also committing fraud. People need to be on furlough for a minimum of three weeks before you can.

[Andy]

I've seen some right shit cunt behaviour around furlough pay but that takes the biscuit.

Surely anyone who gets treated like that will either end up leaving or working at about 50% for the rest of their employment, you're never going to work hard for an employer like that again.

[Spikey M]

Grass him/them up.

[SvN]

Company owners are idiots if they don't think that they're going to audit the shit out of any company that as a whiff of abusing the furlough scheme. They'll be handing out huge fines and demanding the money back.

[Don]

Given the number of applications, the lack of time to prepare the systems and processes and the general ability to liquidate the company ASAP, getting away with fraud here seems pretty simple actually. Already hearing of people who have no need for the grants and reliefs splurging on pointless shit and treating it like a handout :drool:

[SvN]

There's no time now, but there's forever in the future to go back and check them.

[SvN]

The small business grants are different, by the way. They can be used for anything that the company sees fit. It's the furlough scheme that I'm talking about here, which has very strict rules.

[Don]

There's no time now, but there's forever in the future to go back and check them.

The government couldn't even claw back their full amounts from the loan charge retrospectively and that was all tax dodging bastards, nevermind something like this which is aimed at far more desperate people.

If the company liquidates, there will no doubt be a limited time window. And the Eastern European directors fleeig might shorten that further. The cost due to fraud alone will be eye-watering nevermind the actual full cost of all this bullshit.

[Smjffy]

Hopefully they change this damn date on it. I understand the fraud risks but you're going to get that no matter where you've pledged money. It just doesn't sit well that you've earned a wage with new employer, you have your wage slips, it shows up in your government tax thingymajig but there's nothing you can do about it. You could ask your last employer to do so but most say no, apparently. I couldn't bring myself to even make that call and ask, it's far too belittling for my liking.

[Don]

The small business grants are different, by the way. They can be used for anything that the company sees fit. It's the furlough scheme that I'm talking about here, which has very strict rules.

I imagine the fact they had to be om the books at 28 Feb will make the fraud difficult but I'm sure it won't be an insurmountable hurdle.

[Waffdon]

The small business grants are different, by the way. They can be used for anything that the company sees fit. It's the furlough scheme that I'm talking about here, which has very strict rules.

They really are completely different. The fact you can get it for renting out an apartment on AirBnB is fucking stupid. Basically anything that claims SBBR is getting it other than lock ups, shooting rights and caravans as far as I can see.

[SvN]

I imagine the fact they had to be om the books at 28 Feb will make the fraud difficult but I'm sure it won't be an insurmountable hurdle.

One of the main ways I'm seeing it exploited at the moment is people being "furloughed" but still being told they have to work. I know at least 2 companies that are doing it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

One of the main ways I'm seeing it exploited at the moment is people being "furloughed" but still being told they have to work. I know at least 2 companies that are doing it.

Surely that's criminal record territory if discovered.

[John]

One of the main ways I'm seeing it exploited at the moment is people being "furloughed" but still being told they have to work. I know at least 2 companies that are doing it.

My mate works for a builder's merchants and apparently they're all at it.

[Mazuuurk]

The media switching from bealing about restrictions being phased in too slowly to shitting themselves with boredom after three weeks of them is a lovely thing to witness. Plus one for the behavioural scientists.

Anyone complaining is welcome here, really.

If they can get a VISA, that is.

[Don]

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/rishi-sunak-conservative-crush-vogue-white-women-flora-e-gill-a9456036.html

God I hope COVID-19 wipes all of humanity.

[Yevrah]

Whenever this does end HMRC are going to be investigating furloughing for decades.

In other news, I'm increasingly suspicious that I have it.

[Lewis]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/09/ae-attendances-lowest-point-since-records-began-amid-coronavirus/

Another one for the essential/non-essential file.

[Yevrah]

We really do need a proper fucking look at how our population use the NHS and also contribute towards its ability to cope (obesity etc.).

It was so obvious that was going to happen, although I guess a lot are from the pubs being closed.

[Don]

The effect on general health will be significant and spread over a longer period. I feel like there'll be a massive drop in people's sleep deprivation which will make a drastic change, if accurate.

[Shindig]

A further 6.6m applied for unemployment in the US? Woah. 16 million in the last three weeks. Also, our death reporting is all over the shop. 140 died yesterday but another 500 from the rest of the week are going on today's figures.

[Lee]

Whenever this does end HMRC are going to be investigating furloughing for decades.

In other news, I'm increasingly suspicious that I have it.

Why?

[Manc]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-52205163/coronavirus-crisis-forces-farmers-to-throw-milk-away

Lewis

[SvN]

They should've given it to the homeless, the selfish twats.

[Yevrah]

Why?

Felt fine up until last night, then just felt randomly very tired all of a sudden and pretty hot too. Went to bed hoping that would help, but woke up with what felt like a temperature again this morning (I've no way of checking). Worked for a bit then felt knackered again and hit the sack for a nap which lasted three hours. Woke up about 2, felt hot still and all achey.

Might just be what happens when you don't get out for 3/4 weeks, but I'm pretty sure I have a temperature so I'd be isolating if I wasn't working from home. Fun times.

[bruhnaldo]

I'm sure there was a better option than dumping it on the ground.

[bruhnaldo]

Yev going through menopause is a fun turn of events.

[SvN]

Felt fine up until last night, then just felt randomly very tired all of a sudden and pretty hot too. Went to bed hoping that would help, but woke up with what felt like a temperature again this morning (I've no way of checking). Worked for a bit then felt knackered again and hit the sack for a nap which lasted three hours. Woke up about 2, felt hot still and all achey.

Might just be what happens when you don't get out for 3/4 weeks, but I'm pretty sure I have a temperature so I'd be isolating if I wasn't working from home. Fun times.

I thought I had it a few weeks ago, and I felt similar to you for about 2 days. Then it went as soon as it came.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I see Northants Police are threatening to rifle through shopping trolleys to check what is and isn't a necessary item.

This is regional policing's dream scenario, they'll never have it so good.

[Disco]

The virus I had just before this all kicked off was similar, all aches and temperature but no cold symptoms. That was gone in two or three days.

[Yevrah]

I thought I had it a few weeks ago, and I felt similar to you for about 2 days. Then it went as soon as it came.

If this is all I get from it and it lasts 2 days I'll take that as a right result.

[niko_cee]

I see Northants Police are threatening to rifle through shopping trolleys to check what is and isn't a necessary item.

This is regional policing's dream scenario, they'll never have it so good.

I was in Boots the other day and thought it was quite funny seeing all the make-up cordoned off.

The police getting arsey isn't going to help whatever problem they perceive to exist, it'll exacerbate things to the point the lockdown collapses.

[Shindig]

I thought I had it a few weeks ago, and I felt similar to you for about 2 days. Then it went as soon as it came.

In the 'I may have had it' stakes, I had an unexplained bout of the shits whilst the office cough was going around. I'd not think much of it but I couldn't figure out what I ate that would've triggered it at 3am.

[Lee]

A few weeks back I had a cough, bit of shortness of breath and felt rough enough a couple of nights that I needed to turn in early with a paracetamol. If it turns out that was my dose I’ll be delighted.

[Lewis]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-52205163/coronavirus-crisis-forces-farmers-to-throw-milk-away

Lewis

I read somewhere that there is a massive potato surplus as well because nobody is out buying chips. The Irish must be greener than usual with envy.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If they're going to nationalise anything it should be chips. A kilo a week for every household.

[Andy]

I see Northants Police are threatening to rifle through shopping trolleys to check what is and isn't a necessary item.

This is regional policing's dream scenario, they'll never have it so good.

Stop people buying book or Playstation games but happily allow flights into the country with no quarantine or testing. Got the priorities wrong.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Speaking from personal family experience, a lot of coppers fucking love the job (for good or ill) so much that all other interests in their life just cease to exist, and so the thicker ones without a sense of humour probably genuinely don't understand why you would buy anything other than bread and stock cubes at this point.

[Shindig]

Who the hell doesn't buy spuds and chips in a crisis? Do they settle for tinned wank?

[Shindig]

In other news, the Germans are doing some large-scale antibody testing next week.

[Lewis]

I like that new STAY HOME THIS EASTER sign in historic Panic Attack Robot Wars livery.

[Adramelch]

Deleted my message as I thought Greece is not really a representative so now your answer makes no sense. :D

But yeah, bars, restaurants, fast food joints etc probably make a big part of the market.

[Shindig]

Boo. 887 deaths for the UK today but I don't think Northern Ireland have announced theirs. IHME reckons our peak is a week away.

[7om]

I reckon I'm in the maybe camp as well. Had a sudden hoarse voice out of nowhere for a good three or four days with fatigue and headache.

[Yevrah]

Looking at this:

https://i.postimg.cc/Wzwv3VjH/DIfference-between-cold-flu-coronavirus.jpg (https://postimg.cc/YL0VnJv6)

I've got Fever, Aches and Fatigue.

[bruhnaldo]

Anyways.

[phonics]

Yev trying to WebMD himself into coronavirus.

[Yevrah]

Yev trying to WebMD himself into coronavirus.

What else can one do? I can't get a test.

EDIT: And nor would I want one.

[Adramelch]

Are you sure about the fever part? I always feel like I have a fever when I am super tired, but the thermometer says otherwise every time.

I had sinusitis before all that thing kicked off, and it's for the most part gone, but I still have the occasional cough, which serves well to put fear into the people close to me when I am out and about.

[Giggles]

I’ve got aches, headaches, and tiredness all day every day so by the time I notice they’ll be turning the machine off. I’ve 4 test kits in the van but might not do it until I get a cough or something. The place I’m working takes my temperature 3 times a day.

[phonics]

What else can one do? I can't get a test.

EDIT: And nor would I want one.

Your only recourse over the first few days is a lack of stress, hydration and relaxation. WebMDing yourself into a shoot is a work, Brother.

My mate is staying with his parents and his Dad actually got the big C. He came down with something a few days later, he's back up and running a couple days later. Chill, hydrate and sleep well and if you're still suffering then get in contact with your 111 service or wahtever they have there.

[Disco]

Even if your wrestling reference was right, I don't think Yev is going to get it.

[phonics]

If there's any time to get into wrestling...

[Disco]

I can't watch it without a crowd and it's three months plus since Wrestle Kingdom. :(

[Shindig]

If I took a free month of the Network, all I'd be viewing would be the good bits of the nWo and Mick Foley falling off a cage. Maybe Wrestlemania X7.

[phonics]

I can't watch it without a crowd and it's three months plus since Wrestle Kingdom. :(

Low point of quarantine was definitely a few days back when I was up at 4am watching Dusty Rhodes promos.

These are hard times, daddy.

[phonics]

If I took a free month of the Network, all I'd be viewing would be the good bits of the nWo and Mick Foley falling off a cage. Maybe Wrestlemania X7.

Honestly, their documentary stuff is almost second to none. The rest of it I've barely watched. The KofiMania documentary that goes to Ghana while recapping everything is great. R-Truth talking about how he'd be selling crack if it wasn't for his wrestling coach. You can tell Vince isn't allowed near these things because they're so honest.

PS. There was no good part of the nWo. WCW was crap.

[Yevrah]

Your only recourse over the first few days is a lack of stress, hydration and relaxation. WebMDing yourself into a shoot is a work, Brother.

My mate is staying with his parents and his Dad actually got the big C. He came down with something a few days later, he's back up and running a couple days later. Chill, hydrate and sleep well and if you're still suffering then get in contact with your 111 service or wahtever they have there.

You've misunderstood what I'm saying. I'm merely posting on a forum. I am not having a meltdown or in a shoot and I don't need to get in contact with 111 or anyone else unless I get actually ill from it, which isn't the case at the moment. It's merely a mild inconvenience.

[Manc]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/apr/09/china-signals-end-to-dog-meat-consumption-by-humans

Let's bomb the cunts.

[Shindig]

PS. There was no good part of the nWo. WCW was crap.

Sting stalking them for a year was so good. And Hogan's heel turn. Then they ruined it. Although I bloody love Goldberg in WCW. And DDP.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The Chinese don't give a toss about the welfare of their own people, never mind animals. In fact, they'd murder tens of millions if they could get away with it. As it is they have to settle for concentration camps.

[Yevrah]

Are you sure about the fever part? I always feel like I have a fever when I am super tired, but the thermometer says otherwise every time.

Not sure at all. Just know I feel weird and am at least in part exhibiting those three symptoms and I can't test for the key one as I don't have a thermometer.

But like I said to Phonics, it's no biggie at the moment.

[Shindig]

"Dogs and cats can carry this disease? Better ban that, then." Bat chewing wankers.

[Waffdon]

MPs getting £10k to set up working from home. :D

[Disco]

Honestly, their documentary stuff is almost second to none. The rest of it I've barely watched. The KofiMania documentary that goes to Ghana while recapping everything is great. R-Truth talking about how he'd be selling crack if it wasn't for his wrestling coach. You can tell Vince isn't allowed near these things because they're so honest.

PS. There was no good part of the nWo. WCW was crap.

Anything they do that's vaguely historical is utter bunk but the personality ones are really good. You also couldn't be more wrong about WCW, NWO was great from the start up until Hogan torpedoed the Sting match. Otherwise their midcard was great, the opposite of WWF of the same period who had a trash undercard but a great main event.

[Adramelch]

Nursing home deaths reports still coming in for France, up to 4166 out of a total of 12210 now, with another thousand-ish that were transferred to hospitals and dying there. That's out of 31415 cases reported in nursing homes (and other such establishments), which means the mortality rate is at 17%. Pretty grim.

[Bob Sacamano]

The great John Taffer seems to think bars and restaurants will never recover from this and the ones that survive will have 6ft gaps between every table for years to come.

You have to lol at the people who seem to think we'll be all packing out the pubs again in a few weeks.

I seriously don't think we'll ever get back to 'normal'

[Lee]

Boris out of ICU.

[Giggles]

I thought I read on here a few days ago that he was as good as dead?

[Lee]

Maybe he’s moved to the morgue.

[Shindig]

Being transported to the morgue as we speak. Jack Grealish is on the same gurney finalising his move to Man Utd. EDIT: Lee, you sniper.

[Disco]

Yeah Kiko said he killed him himself.

[randomlegend]

Boo. 887 deaths for the UK today but I don't think Northern Ireland have announced theirs. IHME reckons our peak is a week away.

I've heard London probably peak today, tomorrow or the day after and the rest of the country a week after London.


Nursing home deaths reports still coming in for France, up to 4166 out of a total of 12210 now, with another thousand-ish that were transferred to hospitals and dying there. That's out of 31415 cases reported in nursing homes (and other such establishments), which means the mortality rate is at 17%. Pretty grim.

Your life expectancy once you reach a care home is fuck all anyway tbh. Google says 2 years on average. Half of them will tell you they're not bothered if they die as well.

[Boydy]

I bet Boris was never even ill, this is all just a dastardly Cummings plot.

[Adramelch]

Your life expectancy once you reach a care home is fuck all anyway tbh. Google says 2 years on average. Half of them will tell you they're not bothered if they die as well.

Oh yeah, I know. The numbers make perfect sense, but just reading them and thinking of the situation in those homes is pretty yikes.

[Shindig]

This NHS clapping is obscene. Eejits honking their horns and someone next door banging pans. Stop.

[Adramelch]

I have someone in the neighbourhood putting music on every day, but no horns or pans thankfully. Just that and normal clapping.

[Disco]

I see your pots and pans and raise you some fireworks.

[Don]

The great John Taffer seems to think bars and restaurants will never recover from this and the ones that survive will have 6ft gaps between every table for years to come.

You have to lol at the people who seem to think we'll be all packing out the pubs again in a few weeks.

I seriously don't think we'll ever get back to 'normal'

I don't see how things won't be back to normal when pubs, bars and clubs open their doors. Behaviour won't change after a 3 month break in those kinds of environments.

Also, Yev, how on Earth have you managed to catch it if you haven't left the house? Stop licking the post, mate.

[Yevrah]

I don't see how things won't be back to normal when pubs, bars and clubs open their doors. Behaviour won't change after a 3 month break in those kinds of environments.

Also, Yev, how on Earth have you managed to catch it if you haven't left the house? Stop licking the post, mate.

I've been out twice to the local shop.

Agree on things returning to normal. The pubs are going to be rammed when we're allowed out again.

[Bernanke]

What's the latest on seasonality of it?


There isn't any, is there?

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/experts-covid-19-pandemic-unlikely-ebb-weather-warms

Pretty much.

[Disco]

We've had people running barbecues and organising parties in the middle of a national lockdown, it's a bit naive to think they won't be straight back into the pubs and clubs as soon as restrictions are relaxed enough.

[Andy]

The great John Taffer seems to think bars and restaurants will never recover from this and the ones that survive will have 6ft gaps between every table for years to come.

You have to lol at the people who seem to think we'll be all packing out the pubs again in a few weeks.

I seriously don't think we'll ever get back to 'normal'

We will get back to normal eventually, I think the biggest issue will be the amount of industries going tits up and people out of jobs.

It will take a lot for the hospitality and travel industries to recover. Could be the final nail in the high street as well.

I cant see many new houses being built for a long time either, that will have a huge effect on the construction industry.

[Andy]

I've been out twice to the local shop.

Agree on things returning to normal. The pubs are going to be rammed when we're allowed out again.

If they're playing football behind closed doors and they open the pubs they will be as busy as England world cup games. It would be insane.

[Mellberg]

We've had people running barbecues and organising parties in the middle of a national lockdown, it's a bit naive to think they won't be straight back into the pubs and clubs as soon as restrictions are relaxed enough.

I'm not gonna lie. As soon as it's open, I'm going for a pint.

[ScousePig]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/04/why-what-we-think-we-know-about-the-uks-coronavirus-death-toll-is-wrong

Apologies if this is old news, but it's an interesting read on why the daily death figures that we hear about are wrong.

[Adramelch]

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/experts-covid-19-pandemic-unlikely-ebb-weather-warms

Pretty much.

"the virus is unlikely to be seasonal in nature, according to a paper published yesterday by the National Academy of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine."

Meanwhile, the report summary is:

"In summary, although experimental studies show a relationship between higher temperatures
and humidity levels, and reduced survival of SARS-CoV-2 in the laboratory, there are many
other factors besides environmental temperature, humidity, and survival of the virus outside of
the host, that influence and determine transmission rates among humans in the ‘real world’. "

I love journalism, even in an academic setting. :D

[Waffdon]

I'm not gonna lie. As soon as it's open, I'm going for a pint.

11am pints, 12.30pm kick off and losing coupons :drool:

[John Arne]

Semi-final results.

https://gyazo.com/f8ae36ed0b5a92ed9f44a03d220f167e.jpeg
(brackets first leg scores)

https://gyazo.com/6b67058c4c81fe757d58a2f4fb70b679.jpeg

[Shindig]

Truly a golden generation.

[John Arne]

Also, USA! USA! USA!

https://gyazo.com/c16a61f21c56b482b68bb9e23bd10a2f.jpeg

[Shindig]

In the absence of any proper recovery numbers, I'll take our critical number as a sign we're not that knackered.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Our critical and recovered numbers are not even a thing, we stopped counting weeks ago.

Look at ze Germans and their anal recording methods.

[Shindig]

Yeah, I should grab those hospital numbers from the briefing for something more tangible.

65,000 cases, 16,500 hospitalised. 2,500-ish in critical care.

[niko_cee]

Those critical numbers are the most made-up of a sketchy data set in the first place.

[Shindig]

All our data is shit but what else can you go off? "Here's a cumulative number not accounting for discharges or deaths."

[Adramelch]

Those critical numbers are the most made-up of a sketchy data set in the first place.

At least for France, it's people in ICU.

[Spikey M]

All our data is shit but what else can you go off? "Here's a cumulative number not accounting for discharges or deaths."

Deaths. The only thing you can count without testing is deaths. Obviously that's going to get muddled with Flu cases fucking up your data, but if you have 5000 deaths you can shine a torch on Germany, China, America, South Korea and whoever else is actually testing. You can work out what your other figures are from there... ish.

[Adramelch]

Yes but deaths are not reported accurately either (in terms of dates).

[Spikey M]

Yes but deaths are not reported accurately either (in terms of dates).

I only found out today that 'Care Home Deaths' aren't counted towards the daily total. What the actual fucking fuck is that?

Yeah. It's impossible to get a feel for anything. Especially with up to 50% of people having zero symptoms and anyone not about to carc it being told to self isolate and shut the fuck up.

How do you have any trust in the figures when most people that have it / have had it aren't counted? Deaths. It's the closest you can possibly get.

[Adramelch]

I only found out today that 'Care Home Deaths' aren't counted towards the daily total. What the actual fucking fuck is that?

Yeah. It's impossible to get a feel for anything. Especially with up to 50% of people having zero symptoms and anyone not about to carc it being told to self isolate and shut the fuck up.

How do you have any trust in the figures when most people that have it / have had it aren't counted? Deaths. It's the closest you can possibly get.

Well this "serious, critical" column on worldofmeters actually corresponds to people in ICU for France. I reckon that's a very relevant metric. The following is the number of people in ICU over here:

https://i.gyazo.com/e2dc13aae9caea70b9099487c419118d.png

[Spikey M]

Well this "serious, critical" column on worldofmeters actually corresponds to people in ICU for France. I reckon that's a very relevant metric. The following is the number of people in ICU over here:

https://i.gyazo.com/e2dc13aae9caea70b9099487c419118d.png

It's a fair alternative, but I'm not sure it gets rid of the issues that counting the dead has. You still have to test them. You still have to factor in the people that don't go to hospital when they should have. You still don't get a feel for the people that get no/minor symptoms.

[Kikó]

Sorry Boris didn't die Giggles. Cummings reportedly ill.

[Adramelch]

It's a fair alternative, but I'm not sure it gets rid of the issues that counting the dead has. You still have to test them. You still have to factor in the people that don't go to hospital when they should have. You still don't get a feel for the people that get no/minor symptoms.

It's a good metric to track the evolution of the virus (and, thus, the possible peak) in a country, which is what I am looking for. Not as relevant if you're looking to get icu/case rates, or comparisons between countries, I agree. In comparison to deaths, however, I do believe it's probably updated more regularly by hospitals than deaths are.

[Shindig]

I like to see a visual representation of what's going on with hospital capacity. There's a lot of shit metrics around but at least that's more focused.

[Don]

You'd all do well to watch tonight's Horizon on iplayer. Cleanest explanation of how we got to where we are and where we are headed.

[Queenslander]

Pubs wont open for 6 months not 3 you blokes are mental.

Edit: And even then they will have strict capacity no shoulder to shoulder.

We need a vaccine before things can start to turn around.

[ScousePig]

I only found out today that 'Care Home Deaths' aren't counted towards the daily total. What the actual fucking fuck is that?

Yeah. It's impossible to get a feel for anything. Especially with up to 50% of people having zero symptoms and anyone not about to carc it being told to self isolate and shut the fuck up.

How do you have any trust in the figures when most people that have it / have had it aren't counted? Deaths. It's the closest you can possibly get.

Deaths seems to be the right number to be looking at, but it's so skewed that we won't know today's real number of deaths for x amount of days. It's why trying to read the curve is so difficult.

[Magic]

Cummings? Beautiful if he dies.

[Adramelch]

Deaths seems to be the right number to be looking at, but it's so skewed that we won't know today's real number of deaths for x amount of days. It's why trying to read the curve is so difficult.

Given you're not counting care home deaths, you might also find yourselves in a similar situation to France where they just randomly start getting reported and then you get a curve like that:

https://i.gyazo.com/3e48a506522536d40f43e1cee90a679e.png

I assume the people in charge have more accurate information than that, but still.

[Baz]

My last EVER pint in a pub was a Coors fucking Light.

[Yevrah]

You'd all do well to watch tonight's Horizon on iplayer. Cleanest explanation of how we got to where we are and where we are headed.

The most telling bit for me so far is that the quickest a vaccine has ever been produced was 5 years, for Ebola.

[Don]

Soz, just to be clear, I meant this one: Horizon, 2020: Coronavirus Special - Part 1: www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000h3nm via @bbciplayer

I recommended the same to my boy and he's watched the one I think you're talking about too, Yev :D Can't comment on that one.

[Yevrah]

That was the one I watched Taz. There wasn't anything in there about what's to come though, so your initial comment on it did confuse me.

[phonics]

The most telling bit for me so far is that the quickest a vaccine has ever been produced was 5 years, for Ebola.

Completely differing circumstances and not really true. Ebola has existed since the 70s. The vaccine was basically discovered in 2010-11 and it was subsequently bought by NewLink (http://investors.linkp.com/node/9016/html). During the Ebola crisis of 2014, Merck bought it from NewLink and pumped money into testing it in African nations and it was put onto the market over in Jan 2015.

It took 5 years from discovery to market, not existence to discovery. The Canadian scientist that discovered it died poor while her discovery sold for over 50 million dollars (money went to NewLink who bought it off Canadian Government).

A corona vaccine will have a shorter timescale because of the obscene amount of money being thrown at it and it being an offshoot of COVID.

[Don]

Ah my bad, the other one went big on Ebola so thought you may have watched that.

I just thought it hit home how unlikely it is that these cunts are going to risk a second wave and that the vaccine may well be the only way out. The stuff about the antibodies expiring and immunity possibly only lasting for a matter of months also had potential to be bleak.

[phonics]

A corona vaccine will have a shorter timescale because of the obscene amount of money being thrown at it and it being an offshoot of COVID.

Just to temper my language in case anyone takes this as me saying it's bad that we're spending this money. I'm not. The Ebola vaccine has discovered by luck off a 2 million dollar grant, 30 years after the disease arrived. The search for an HIV vaccine has cost around 2 billion over 30 years (this is my quick back of a fag packet estimate because the only stats available are for Prevention which includes Condoms/PrEP/Clean Needles/Education). It technically exists but only works 30% of the time. 85% is the lowest a vaccine can be considered effective which is what your flu shot is.

COVID-19 will receive about 1 billion in funding over the next 12 months.

edit: My mistake, growing up in the 90s makes me think the 70s were still 30 years ago. Ebola is 45 years old, HIV is 35.

[Spoonsky]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/04/why-what-we-think-we-know-about-the-uks-coronavirus-death-toll-is-wrong

Apologies if this is old news, but it's an interesting read on why the daily death figures that we hear about are wrong.

Good excuse to stop obsessing over the numbers. Let's be honest, in the absence of football we've all latched onto the death counts as a way of giving our lives some aspect of unpredictability. (Or in the case of John Arne, admirably combined the two.)

[Spoonsky]

Also: New York is grim (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52239261).

Although lol at Cuomo calling the virus evil like 9/11. That's a great way to frame it if you're trying to forget about the fact that your leadership decisions are actively costing human lives every day.

[Spikey M]

Completely differing circumstances and not really true. Ebola has existed since the 70s. The vaccine was basically discovered in 2010-11 and it was subsequently bought by NewLink (http://investors.linkp.com/node/9016/html). During the Ebola crisis of 2014, Merck bought it from NewLink and pumped money into testing it in African nations and it was put onto the market over in Jan 2015.

It took 5 years from discovery to market, not existence to discovery. The Canadian scientist that discovered it died poor while her discovery sold for over 50 million dollars (money went to NewLink who bought it off Canadian Government).

A corona vaccine will have a shorter timescale because of the obscene amount of money being thrown at it and it being an offshoot of COVID.

And it affecting white people.

[phonics]

Thats what defines the money not the speed.

[7om]

On licensing of a vaccine, the FDA, EMA can do whatever they want. What were realistically going to see is clinical trials running concurrently and real time evaluation of safety data while they're also testing for antibody production.

Normally you're looking at a few years of sticking it in animals and monitoring toxicology and all that fluff. I imagine that has been rushed through with preliminary data only.

It is feasible to get enough data for a vaccine license within a year and the regulators to rush it through approval. Then you've got the time it takes to mass produce, which will take a monumental effort for the vaccine companies.

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52241221

Grim.

[Adramelch]

I wonder how many care home deaths are not yet reported. From the French and Belgian numbers, and knowing that, for example, UK haven't reported theirs, it feels like the current death toll could quite a bit bigger.

[Kikó]

At least Boris is ok.

[Disco]

https://i.imgur.com/S9hMOps.png

[Shindig]

I'm trying to figure out if that's a breathing tube that's part of the headgear. Also, the North East's finally getting a Nightingale hospital in one of the Nissan training centres. Progress.

Numbers are in:

953. 720 from last week because .... yeah.

[Lee]

I’ve seen real daily numbers and they have been bouncing round between 6-700 for a few days now.

[Shindig]

I wonder why they don't go with those smaller numbers? Post-mortems are what they are, I guess.

[Lee]

It’s more registration. The daily death figures give us the most accurate running total because they’re all 100% Covid positive. But as a day to day measure of the progress of the epidemic they’re useless. Hospital admissions and ICU admissions are very good. Current beds occupied too.

[Shindig]

Alright, good to know. I guess, even with the delay, deaths aren't exponentially getting worse.

[Jimmy Floyd]

At least Boris is ok.

To think you went to the lengths of breaking into the hospital, and couldn't even finish him off.

[Serj]

Our governnment has confirmed that we count every death post Covid-19-diagnosis as Coronavirus death, regardless of the actual cause of death.

If that is really true, it makes our stats seem quite impressive (35 deaths/1M population vs. 118 in the UK).

[Shindig]

Apparently with the social distancing, the covid rate of infection is now down to 0.6. We can absolutely suffocate this.

[Yevrah]

Apparently with the social distancing, the covid rate of infection is now down to 0.6. We can absolutely suffocate this.

If we stay in our houses forever?

[bruhnaldo]

Right like lol?

[Yevrah]

Given the lengths we've gone to 0.6 strikes me as a pretty crap number.

I know it's low enough to technically get rid of the virus, but I refer you back to my previous post for the issue with that one.

[Spikey M]

3 weeks stuck inside with 2 kids has me willing to sacrifice every last one of you.

[bruhnaldo]

You coulda pulled out muhfucka don't put a target on us !

[Spikey M]

I'll pull out of your mum in a minute.

[bruhnaldo]

Fuckin' walked right into that one ffs

[Spikey M]

She backed onto it.

[niko_cee]

So now the thinking is that sticking people on ventilators might not be the best idea?

Good job we've re-purposed everything to make the things.

(although that's probably not the most faithful reading of the report)

[Lee]

Given the lengths we've gone to 0.6 strikes me as a pretty crap number.

I know it's low enough to technically get rid of the virus, but I refer you back to my previous post for the issue with that one.

None of this is about getting rid of it. It’s about having low enough numbers that the NHS doesn’t drown. We’ll get to the point quite soon (a couple of months) where the shielding of vulnerable people is extended and the rest of us are allowed out a bit more so it circulates amongst those better able to cope and who will not apply such pressure on the NHS.

The disease is here and it’s going to take a vaccine or community immunity to render it more or less harmless (to society rather than individuals). In the meantime there is lots of experimentation going on with existing drugs for treatment.

At some point we are going to just have to get on with life. As I read elsewhere a couple of nights ago, this is shit but it’s not that deadly and it’s not that contagious. We are, understandably, shitting ourselves because we’ve not had anything like this for years. But it wasn’t so long ago that smallpox and widespread death from infectious disease was a thing. Those things never stopped us going down the pub.

[Lewis]

https://i.imgur.com/Qb3oywy.png

[Boydy]

Currently queueing at lidl and there are still loads of couples going shopping together. Also fuck off requiring a quid for trolleys, I don't carry cash at the best of times.

[Boydy]

Lewis. :D

[Shindig]

I was thinking more about how, as the virus finds it harder to transmit, it might weaken in potency. Not that I think that'll happen and it's more common in seasonal stuff.

[Spikey M]

Currently queueing at lidl and there are still loads of couples going shopping together. Also fuck off requiring a quid for trolleys, I don't carry cash at the best of times.

Use the end of a (round) key.

[Lee]

I was thinking more about how, as the virus finds it harder to transmit, it might weaken in potency. Not that I think that'll happen and it's more common in seasonal stuff.

It might do. SARS doesn’t go about killing people now and this is closely related.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Queued for 30 minutes to get into Sainsburys today.

Also, there are way too many people who don't adhere to the 2m rule and there's also too many pricks that fanny about.

[Yevrah]

None of this is about getting rid of it. It’s about having low enough numbers that the NHS doesn’t drown. We’ll get to the point quite soon (a couple of months) where the shielding of vulnerable people is extended and the rest of us are allowed out a bit more so it circulates amongst those better able to cope and who will not apply such pressure on the NHS.

The disease is here and it’s going to take a vaccine or community immunity to render it more or less harmless (to society rather than individuals). In the meantime there is lots of experimentation going on with existing drugs for treatment.

At some point we are going to just have to get on with life. As I read elsewhere a couple of nights ago, this is shit but it’s not that deadly and it’s not that contagious. We are, understandably, shitting ourselves because we’ve not had anything like this for years. But it wasn’t so long ago that smallpox and widespread death from infectious disease was a thing. Those things never stopped us going down the pub.

I'm well aware that none of the current measures are designed to get rid of it, wasn't me claiming we could smother it.

The NHS doesn't seem to be anywhere near capacity at the moment either, and I can't see how it will get to it given how long the restrictions have been in place, so if we're just going to crack on I don't know why we're not doing more of that now.

[Yevrah]

This is another awful press conference.

I don't know why they keep banging on about the indicators in a really vague way, just tell people we're still closed and ask the journalists to politely fuck off.

[mugbull]

It's not going to be two months though is it, it'll be maybe a month before pubs open up (though with the requisite 50% occupancy maximum or whatever)

[Lewis]

I bet if they had actually used 'community immunity' from the off all of the mentals who think herd immunity =/= genocide would be complaining instead about the slow pace of the community immunity roll out. The Mirror would be reporting nurses binning their protective equipment and being forced to lie about losing it, and Twitter would have everyone out at eight to rim your neighbours.

[Lee]

I'm well aware that none of the current measures are designed to get rid of it, wasn't me claiming we could smother it.

The NHS doesn't seem to be anywhere near capacity at the moment either, and I can't see how it will get to it given how long the restrictions have been in place, so if we're just going to crack on I don't know why we're not doing more of that now.

We need to get to much smaller case numbers than we have now to go back to any kind of normality. The NHS isn’t overwhelmed in that people aren’t gasping in the car parks, but we’ve converted normal wards into Covid wards, stopped everything routine, and likely have people who require some sort of urgent intervention not turning up to A&Es for fear of catching the virus.

All of that needs to be put back to normal and can’t unless we have far fewer Covid cases to deal with. Once that happens we ought to be able to put the lid up and down in different areas and amongst age/health groups from a low level.

[niko_cee]

If there's ever a Coropa League for the sub-1m 'countries' we're going to be well set.

Currently rolling at 3030 cases per million and 91 (or 136) deaths per million, although we've a way to go before we're even Andorra, let alone San Marino.

[randomlegend]

Tying to catch up all the 'routine but actually quite important' stuff which has been out on hold is going to be a monumental task once the NHS gets back to 'normal'.

[Shindig]

We need to get to much smaller case numbers than we have now to go back to any kind of normality. The NHS isn’t overwhelmed in that people aren’t gasping in the car parks, but we’ve converted normal wards into Covid wards, stopped everything routine, and likely have people who require some sort of urgent intervention not turning up to A&Es for fear of catching the virus.

All of that needs to be put back to normal and can’t unless we have far fewer Covid cases to deal with. Once that happens we ought to be able to put the lid up and down in different areas and amongst age/health groups from a low level.

Yeah, the cases need to be a trickle. I can't see the 4,000-5,000 cases we're getting dropping in the space of a month. Not unless they're really localised.

[Lee]

Tying to catch up all the 'routine but actually quite important' stuff which has been out on hold is going to be a monumental task once the NHS gets back to 'normal'.

We don’t get on top of it for the full year after turning it off for a couple of months in winter so fuck knows how it will be sorted after this.

[John Arne]

If there's ever a Coropa League for the sub-1m 'countries' we're going to be well set.

Currently rolling at 3030 cases per million and 91 (or 136) deaths per million, although we've a way to go before we're even Andorra, let alone San Marino.

Vietnam, population 90m currently has 250 cases and 0 deaths. :drool:

Although that could change soon as a British pilot is in ICU struggling due to being a fat lazy selfish twat (he went to a bar after lockdown and infected a load more people).

[niko_cee]

The only thing I take away from that is that there are probably very few old people in Vietnam and not many of the populace go skiing in the Alps.

Which seem to be two major societal comorbidities.

[Don]

Newsnight last night had some letter from some loser pretending to be a doctor saying kids are dying because they aren't being taken to A&E in time as usual.

Also, this herd/community/orgy immunity business is a bit of a stab in the dark unless they release everyone (bar the at-risk) at once given they're not sure how long immunity lasts. If they stagger it and release the 18-35, then the 35-45, etc it may be not be as effective. But equally, I imagine odds of a dangerous mutation would also increase :drool:

Thought of the day: If the vaccine truly is the only way out of this, we'll be lucky to get a cumulative 2 months of freedom by summer 2021 and it will fully collapse the economic system to the point where a temporary revolution will need to take place where UBI comes in for 6+ months and we hope the battery doesn't go flat when we try and restart the economic engine come 2021.

What a fucking hot mess this all is and a glimpse into the end of humanity :drool: I wonder if insect transmitted diseases could/will be this severe. That would add a whole other element of shit your pants factor.

[Lee]

The only thing I take away from that is that there are probably very few old people in Vietnam and not many of the populace go skiing in the Alps.

Which seem to be two major societal comorbidities.

Being fat and male are others.

[7om]

.

What a fucking hot mess this all is and a glimpse into the end of humanity :drool: I wonder if insect transmitted diseases could/will be this severe. That would add a whole other element of shit your pants factor.

Well, Malaria kills anywhere between 2000 and 6000 per day.

[Giggles]

I did my test today. It isn’t pleasant but straightforward enough.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's not going to be two months though is it, it'll be maybe a month before pubs open up (though with the requisite 50% occupancy maximum or whatever)

Not a prayer pubs are open before July.

[Don]

I particularly :harold:'d at the idea of an occupancy maximum down my local on the opening weekend. They'll do well to just try and enforce a rule about not sharing your keys and notes for the gear.

It's going to make an England world cup final appearance look like a showing of Crufts.

[mugbull]

Not a prayer pubs are open before July.

There’s not a single interest group in Europe angling for a longer shutdown (besides maybe epidemiologists). China doesn’t even have interest groups aside from maybe the tech giants, and they only lasted about 2 months in lockdown, so I really see no way the thing’s gonna last as long as everybody thinks it will

[Andy]

Not a prayer pubs are open before July.

Seems about right. Im supposed to be going to Amsterdam in August for a stag do and everyone else is confident it's still going to happen. I dont want to be the miserable negative fucker but I cant see it happening at all.

[Andy]

I particularly :harold:'d at the idea of an occupancy maximum down my local on the opening weekend. They'll do well to just try and enforce a rule about not sharing your keys and notes for the gear.

It's going to make an England world cup final appearance look like a showing of Crufts.

Can imagine an occupancy in the boozer with everyone keeping 2m between eachother and then 100 people onto of eachother in the queue.

[Yevrah]

There’s not a single interest group in Europe angling for a longer shutdown (besides maybe epidemiologists). China doesn’t even have interest groups aside from maybe the tech giants, and they only lasted about 2 months in lockdown, so I really see no way the thing’s gonna last as long as everybody thinks it will

China is a completely different case to what's happened here. The two are incomparable.

[mugbull]

China is a completely different case to what's happened here. The two are incomparable.

By “the thing” i mean the lockdown. Obviously China’s doing the whole contact tracing thing in a way we can’t because we’re not living in an Orwellian universe

[Don]

There’s not a single interest group in Europe angling for a longer shutdown (besides maybe epidemiologists). China doesn’t even have interest groups aside from maybe the tech giants, and they only lasted about 2 months in lockdown, so I really see no way the thing’s gonna last as long as everybody thinks it will

Bruh, what the fuck are interest groups? Science is clear, you open ot up and in 30 days time we'll be back to square one. When that second wave in Wuhan appears in the news :drool:

[Shindig]

Seems about right. Im supposed to be going to Amsterdam in August for a stag do and everyone else is confident it's still going to happen. I dont want to be the miserable negative fucker but I cant see it happening at all.

Amsterdam? The Dutch are still open.

[Jimmy Floyd]

There’s not a single interest group in Europe angling for a longer shutdown (besides maybe epidemiologists). China doesn’t even have interest groups aside from maybe the tech giants, and they only lasted about 2 months in lockdown, so I really see no way the thing’s gonna last as long as everybody thinks it will

I know but they're not opening pubs. They'll do it slowly slowly with the aim of helping families (us single blokes are at the back of the queue). Nurseries will open first, then certain shops (one in one out), then other shops, then primary schools, etc etc.

Social distancing will stay for fucking months and will remain the real nightmare, even once more things are open. Only when they bin that will we approach any kind of normal.

[Yevrah]

By “the thing” i mean the lockdown. Obviously China’s doing the whole contact tracing thing in a way we can’t because we’re not living in an Orwellian universe

They also locked down in a much more stringent way than we have.

[bruhnaldo]

Bruh, what the fuck are interest groups?

Basically they're just groups that use various forms of advocacy in order to influence public opinion and ultimately policy.

[Waffdon]

We’ll be in pubs before July. 100%.

[Lee]

I’ll not be going near one until every other fucker has it out their system first.

[Bam]

Someone give Yev a slap, such a drama queen trying his best to scaremonger.

Sort yourself out, you've had this virus about five times sitting at home.

[Don]

Basically they're just groups that use various forms of advocacy in order to influence public opinion and ultimately policy.

:D


I’ll not be going near one until every other fucker has it out their system first.

You and you both, pal.

[Waffdon]

Someone give Yev a slap, such a drama queen trying his best to scaremonger.

Sort yourself out, you've had this virus about five times sitting at home.

:D

[mugbull]

I know but they're not opening pubs. They'll do it slowly slowly with the aim of helping families (us single blokes are at the back of the queue). Nurseries will open first, then certain shops (one in one out), then other shops, then primary schools, etc etc.

Social distancing will stay for fucking months and will remain the real nightmare, even once more things are open. Only when they bin that will we approach any kind of normal.

Yeah, they’ll be doing nurseries and schools in 2 weeks. Pubs will be among the first to come back imo, as long as they’re doing table service and not sitting at the bar. Sports/music stuff will probably take until July yes

[Yevrah]

Someone give Yev a slap, such a drama queen trying his best to scaremonger.

Sort yourself out, you've had this virus about five times sitting at home.

Best to scaremonger? Is it upsetting you petal?

You're also lying about me claiming to have had it more than once.

[Yevrah]

Yeah, they’ll be doing nurseries and schools in 2 weeks. Pubs will be among the first to come back imo, as long as they’re doing table service and not sitting at the bar. Sports/music stuff will probably take until July yes

How on earth do pubs come back with a restriction of table service only?

[Spikey M]

I've just watched the new Horizon episode and the bit about what this does to your lungs has just made me think that the 'Flu' that me and my mrs had in January could have been this. It had already crossed my mind, but it just matches up so well.

I know it shares alot of symptoms with the Flu, including the potential to give people Pneumonia, but my wife had to have an x-ray on her chest because hers wasn't clearing up and the dr commented on it being odd that there were 'cloudy patches' all over her lungs and wanted to admit her then. Apparently that is odd, but not unknown, with Pneumonia following the Flu.

Still odds on that it was the Flu, but christ I hope we've had it.

[Giggles]

How on earth do pubs come back with a restriction of table service only?

Apparently you can catch it sitting at a bar but not around a table. Scientific facts.

[niko_cee]

How on earth do pubs come back with a restriction of table service only?

He's 'European'.

[Shindig]

But lives in San Francisco. California might come back in a matter of weeks, to be fair. Right in time for the state to catch fire for six months.

[Giggles]

But lives in San Francisco. California might come back in a matter of weeks, to be fair. Right in time for the state to catch fire for six months.

Does the thick cunt not live in Sweden?

[Shindig]

Fucked if I know. I thought he was stateside at the minute but he's probably like Phonics in that he winds up anywhere.

[niko_cee]

Some tinpot short haul destination (presumably with the assistance of one of the budget airlines) surely has the opportunity of a lifetime here to be the first place to reopen and just have everyone man and his dog turn up and go mental. Hungary have a fairly batshit leader don't they?

[Spikey M]

Some tinpot short haul destination (presumably with the assistance of one of the budget airlines) surely has the opportunity of a lifetime here to be the first place to reopen and just have everyone man and his dog turn up and go mental. Hungary have a fairly batshit leader don't they?

You in Lee?

[mugbull]

How on earth do pubs come back with a restriction of table service only?

That's the current status of pubs here. It seems like it's the next step up from fully closed in the lifting of restrictions checklist

[Spikey M]

Kenny Dalglish has it.

Give him all the fucking ventilators before the Scousers cover him in scarves.

[Lee]

You in Lee?

I’m expecting travel to resume the day before I’m booked to go, out of spite. I’ve mentally accepted a UK holiday at some point in the summer and would rather the decision be made for me re Greece so I can get a refund or shift it to next year.

Jet2 (not who I’m going with) saying they plan to start again from 17th June has me shitting myself. In ideal circumstances I want my holiday, obviously. But sitting on a plane for three hours and some cunt coughs? Nah.

Reckon I might be okay for my few nights in Poland at the end of August. It might just hit the ‘between waves’ sweet spot.

[Lee]

Kenny Dalglish has it.

Give him all the fucking ventilators before the Scousers cover him in scarves.

Fucker has no symptoms. He’s in for something else and was apparently tested for this ‘as per protocol’. It’s no protocol I’m aware of, the fucking cheat.

[niko_cee]

He's famous. That's the protocol.

[Spikey M]

I’m expecting travel to resume the day before I’m booked to go, out of spite. I’ve mentally accepted a UK holiday at some point in the summer and would rather the decision be made for me re Greece so I can get a refund or shift it to next year.

Jet2 (not who I’m going with) saying they plan to start again from 17th June has me shitting myself. In ideal circumstances I want my holiday, obviously. But sitting on a plane for three hours and some cunt coughs? Nah.

Reckon I might be okay for my few nights in Poland at the end of August. It might just hit the ‘between waves’ sweet spot.

Yeah, we've moved ours to next May. Just in time for wave 4 to fuck us up. Hoping for some last minute shenanigans either in the UK or abroad in the late summer, but I won't book anything more than a week in the future.

[niko_cee]

'Contact tracing' is going to be the lasting nudge towards dystopia this whole thing brings about, as if we weren't already spied upon enough.

[Giggles]

The only bright point of all this is that it’s got me out of having to do an airport for holidays for another year. 3 in a row now :drool:

[Shindig]

I should be thankful for that, really. Booking things the way I did was going to see me hit 3 airports in 24 hours. Fly direct, kids. Or as near to it.

[Giggles]

Drive onto a boat instead. Bliss.

[Lewis]

Fucker has no symptoms. He’s in for something else and was apparently tested for this ‘as per protocol’. It’s no protocol I’m aware of, the fucking cheat.

Pushing his way to the front without a ticket. :rolleyes:

[Spikey M]

:D

[Giggles]

:cool:

[Vercetti]

:D

[John]

:lol:

[bruhnaldo]

:confused:

[Queenslander]

We have flattened the curve and are tracking better than the Military lockdown in New Zealand.

[7om]

:moop:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Kenny Dalglish has it.

Give him all the fucking ventilators before the Scousers cover him in scarves.

Get the fucking armbands ready.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Pushing his way to the front without a ticket. :rolleyes:

:D

Alan would be rounding up the lads if he was still here.

[Lewis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slUUExB9vWc

Step aside Joh Narne.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Stunning.

[Mellberg]

That's class (as is the Hillsborough joke).

[Lofty]

Pushing his way to the front without a ticket. :rolleyes:

I was trying to think of a joke about tshirt gate but you've gone for the jugular there :D

[Magic]

Pushing his way to the front without a ticket. :rolleyes:

:drool:

[ScousePig]

Yeah, they’ll be doing nurseries and schools in 2 weeks. Pubs will be among the first to come back imo, as long as they’re doing table service and not sitting at the bar. Sports/music stuff will probably take until July yes

You think schools will be re-opening in two weeks? I'd give you good odds.

[Spikey M]

Schools will open in September.

[niko_cee]

Being stuck indoors in London in this weather must be unimaginably shit.

[mugbull]

You think schools will be re-opening in two weeks? I'd give you good odds.

Well, on the continent many countries are re-opening schools next week. Maybe the UK is 2 weeks behind the rest of Europe instead of 1, so it'll be 3 weeks there.

That being said you're the British teacher here, so I'll defer to you in regards to whatever the behind the scenes machinations may be.

[Shindig]

You don't reopen schools until September if you're in the process of grading exams.

[randomlegend]

Further education have been told to expect not to reopen until October.

#ITK

[mo]

BBC are apparently putting 14 weeks of online lessons and teaching resources. Using that as a barometer suggests schools won’t open again before September.

[Lee]

All the ‘government sources’ reporting at the moment is pointing to schools reopening in June. Which seems a bit pointless to me. Pubs and restaurants not long after. Apparently the idea is to open things in reverse order to which they closed. I can’t see the current situation going on any longer than until early June. We’ll just keep the oldies/sickies locked up for longer.

[mugbull]

You don't reopen schools until September if you're in the process of grading exams.

Schools with exams can stay closed indefinitely, it’s more the younguns who need something to do while their parents are off saving the world or whatever

[Adramelch]

Well, on the continent many countries are re-opening schools next week. Maybe the UK is 2 weeks behind the rest of Europe instead of 1, so it'll be 3 weeks there.

That being said you're the British teacher here, so I'll defer to you in regards to whatever the behind the scenes machinations may be.

Unless we're talking about 1 of the badly hit countries (Italy, Spain, France etc), what the rest of Europe is doing is fairly irrelevant since they just handled the virus much better to begin with.

[mo]

Schools with exams can stay closed indefinitely, it’s more the younguns who need something to do while their parents are off saving the world or whatever

Those children are still in school.

Also on Lee’s point about schools re-opening in June, if it’s possible it’d be worthwhile. Transition visits (y6-7), open days, mock exams for y10/12, etc. Some people (not aimed at anyone) think term 6 is a piss about but if anything it’s often one of the busiest terms.

[mugbull]

Unless we're talking about 1 of the badly hit countries (Italy, Spain, France etc), what the rest of Europe is doing is fairly irrelevant since they just handled the virus much better to begin with.

Spain’s easing the lockdown this week. Even Italy has a little bit as well, apparently you can go to the bookstore now. Primary schools will follow soon, you’d think