Coronavirus Death Thread

[Giggles]

We need to crack skulls and ban flights and end it.

[Spikey M]

And I'm sure the people pitching themselves off cliffs will feel much better about that after the already depleted mental health services are culled.

[Spikey M]

We need to crack skulls and ban flights and end it.

Agreed. We all, as in every country in the world, needs to China the cunt out of existence. 6 weeks of pain and it's gone*.

*Well, presumably it's still knocking about in the Animal Kingdom but you monitor it and keep an eye on it as if it were Ebola.

[Magic]

He'll be dead soon Spike, just leave it yeah.

[Lewis]

As has been noted elsewhere, the people who talk about the 'economy' as some separate entity not to be considered in any of this tend to be the same wallies who think some spending reductions killed a hundred thousand people.

[Don]

It's also important to note there has been no ease-up of lockdown conditions outside of your fucking tabloid tweets from your limp-wristers and looks as if there won't be anything significant this Sunday.

Absolutely howling at Spanish street party footage on news to celebrate minor easing and how participants got €1k fines for it.

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52594023

UK 'to bring in 14-day quarantine for air passengers'

Lol

[Lofty]

My mother seems to know what is going on and what has been expected of her, when she normally can't even watch a film without asking me demented questions, so I suspect the 'comms' have been fine for everyone not extremely online. It strikes me as another thing for media wankers to comfort zone in on due to them actually having some understanding of it.

My mother in law was under the impression everything was going to be tickety boo monday so the media giving it the big one has definitely distorted expectations. There will be plenty of people like that, plenty of people flouting it because they're fed up and plenty of people who just don't give a fuck and never have.

[Spikey M]

I've 2 idiots on my Facebook that have asked a variation of 'why do we have to wait until Sunday night for lock down to be lifted?'

[Queenslander]

Ill download the app if Im allowed to drink in a pub again instead of drinking with my cockatiels.


What can you do from Saturday May 16?
Gatherings of a maximum of 10 people in a public place
Dining in at restaurants, pubs, clubs, RSLs and cafes for a maximum of 10 patrons at one time (no bars or gaming)
Recreational travel of a radius of up to 150km from your home for day trips
Some beauty therapies and nail salons for up to 10 people at one time
Reopening of libraries, playground equipment, skate parks and outdoor gyms with a maximum of 10 people at one time
Wedding guests increase to 10 people
Funeral attendance increased to 20 people (30 outdoors)
Open homes and auctions with a maximum of 10 people at one time
Reopening of public pools and lagoons with a maximum of 10 people at a time or greater numbers with an approved plan

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-08/coronavirus-queensland-restaurants-pubs-to-open-next-week/12217544

[Boydy]

Logging on just after midnight to get a Tesco click and collect slot doesn't seem to be working any more. They can't all have gone already, can they?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52594023


UK airlines say they have been told the government will bring in a 14-day quarantine for anyone arriving in the UK from any country apart from the Republic of Ireland in response to the coronavirus pandemic.

The new restriction is expected to take effect at the end of this month.

Not until the end of the month? Fucking hell, it should have been in place ages ago.

[Queenslander]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52594023



Not until the end of the month? Fucking hell, it should have been in place ages ago.

Surely it is going to be circulating around Europe for the rest of time?

[Yevrah]

Am I going mad? I'm sure when I read that earlier it said the aviation industry had decided to do it and now it says the government have told them to?

[Byron]

No, the Aviation industry were bleating that a 14 day quaratine would kill air travel, as if this pandemic wasn't going to do that anyway.

[Queenslander]

Is it too early to call America a failed State?

[Spikey M]

It's too late.

[Shindig]

Mike Pence's aide has turned positive. Not to be confused with Mike Pence turning positive for AIDS.

And I've decided to see how many cases have turned up in the UK the last fortnight to see what our active case number <might> look like. 62,987. Now let's add the 40% of probable asymptomatic lads and lasses. 88,181. Finally, let's take out the deaths because those cases have resolved. 56,940.

This means 70% of the people testing positive for Coronavirus in the UK have (probably) recovered. I dunno. Flimsy numbers leads to flimsy maths by a flimsy man.

[Kikó]

A couple of interesting long reads on the new tech fallout from the pandemic. The race to having all our personal data farmed off to American tech giants (or if you're in China you're lucky enough to already be under mass surveillance).

1)https://t.co/NkH1EZr5zg?amp=1 - Naomi Klein
2) https://t.co/eD3Qol88B0?amp=1n- article about neo iliberalism.

[Magic]

Booked Sevilla in October. :cool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Ambitious. I'm a bit concerned about Portugal in March 2021.

[Shindig]

Yeah, I might leave my international travel until March. Would probably fly to London this year at some point, though. 3 hours in an airport > 3 hours on a train.

[Spikey M]

Booked Sevilla in October. :cool:

...... why?

[Giggles]

Anyone booking now would surely be considered too stupid to warrant a refund when it’s cancelled.

[Spikey M]

Anyone booking now would surely be considered too stupid to warrant a refund when it’s cancelled.

Yep. No chance any of the insurance companies pay out on it. It'd be up to the good will of the provider letting you move your dates.

[Magic]

Yep. No chance any of the insurance companies pay out on it. It'd be up to the good will of the provider letting you move your dates.

This basically. Easyjet allowed us to change at no extra cost so we got flights from Edi in school holidays inc baggage for 70 quid return. If it gets cancelled then we change again. If they go bust who cares.

This was for my April Hamburg trip.

[Spikey M]

Fair enough.

[Shindig]

Ah. I'm still surprised BA didn't offer me that and just went for a straight refund.

[Manc]

It's a little Mad Max out there.

[Shindig]

It's taken no time at all to get to 4m cases. We're stuck with this. :(

[Baz]

Women (https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/05/new-zealand-germany-women-leadership-strongmen-coronavirus/611161/) > *

Also didn’t realise Brazil was doing so badly.

[Shindig]

Brazil is very black.

[Byron]

Their president is also still convinced that this is a cold.

[Magic]

Their president is also still convinced that this is a cold.

It is to most of the population.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If 'Stay Alert' really is the new government slogan as of tomorrow then I might have to decamp and hop aboard Yevrah's open topped parade vehicle.

[Shindig]

I'm already conscious about clearing my throat in public.

[Waffdon]

If 'Stay Alert' really is the new government slogan as of tomorrow then I might have to decamp and hop aboard Yevrah's open topped parade vehicle.

Tory Britain

[Jimmy Floyd]

Having read around the political side of it in the last 48 hours, I think what's happening is the Tory party are seething and desperate to unlock everything now (a la Trump) but the government (as in Boris and pals) know that's a bad idea, so we end up with a nothingy messaging shambles like this.

Time for a temporary national government.

[Lewis]

It's basically reverting back to the pre-LOCKDOWN guidance and ties into this terror threat level system they are introducing. You don't have to stay inside, but mind how you go there is still a risk. I think people will understand that, unless performative idiocy is more widespread offline than I imagine.

[Luke Emia]

Why do they have to brief this shit 24 hours before they announce anything? What happens if something goes catastrophically wrong tomorrow but they’ve already announced this to the press and they have to row back?

The press as a whole as well needs a long hard looking at after all this. Absolute cunts the lot of them. No one asks any real questions, no one asks why there is no form of screening at airports or ports, or why we haven’t hit the fabled 100k tests a day for a week. But they moan that we need a lockdown. Then when it’s implemented they moan it’s going on for too long and things need to be lifted.

[Yevrah]

The press must have covered every eventuality over the last week so I'll believe what we're actually going to do next when I see it.

One thing's for sure though, if it's based around the pre-lockdown approach, and by extension that means everything is fair game but the public need to voluntarily act responsibly, we'll all be back inside again pretty soon.

[Spikey M]

It's basically reverting back to the pre-LOCKDOWN guidance and ties into this terror threat level system they are introducing. You don't have to stay inside, but mind how you go there is still a risk. I think people will understand that, unless performative idiocy is more widespread offline than I imagine.

There's more than enough idiocy about to see the R back above 1. Southend seafront was busy yesterday and the street parties going on up and down the country on Friday are probably enough to see a surge in cases in a few weeks as it is.

Second wave, here we come. If you're right about the next steps, anyway.

[Kikó]

It's abdication of responsibility. Provide mixed messages, if we spike again then it's because the public couldn't behave rather than them reading the newspaper and watching Mildred having a street party.

Beyond useless.

[Shindig]

Now, as a bloke who very much likes the status quo and peacetime, I would not be against dropping the odd bomb to galvanise the nation into staying the fuck in.

[Lofty]

It's basically reverting back to the pre-LOCKDOWN guidance and ties into this terror threat level system they are introducing. You don't have to stay inside, but mind how you go there is still a risk. I think people will understand that, unless performative idiocy is more widespread offline than I imagine.

Are you still a bit of a recluse because having worked with the general public for most of my life until recently I can tell you that the thickest person you know is probably average intelligence for the country.

[hfswjyr]

We are supposed to still be in a fairly strict lockdown (level 3 as it's called here), but I drove past what looked like an organised football game in full view of the main road yesterday. Either there is some exemptions I'm not aware of, or people have stopped caring.
Now I sort of understand this, as we've had multiple days with less than new 2 cases per day, so it's a very easy mindset to think the chances of meeting someone who has the virus is minimal. But it is still definitely going against the government rules.

I went around to help my parents move, which included visiting another family that had been storing boxes for us. Social distancing was non-existent, even when at the start of this pandemic they were the ones most worried. You could argue that human beings either forget very quickly, adapt very quickly, or just give up very quickly.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Like everything in life, it's a numbers game, even if people don't realise it.

Let's say we each live for a thousand months (around 82/83 years). People want to make the most of those 1,000 months and are not going to be too interested in being locked down and essentially not be able to do anything more than survive. Obviously the only thing that would change that opinion would be the chance of a much earlier death. CV19 presents that chance, but it's really a very low % chance. The freedom people are willing to give up, and the length of time they will give it up for, will therefore be somewhat proportionate to the risk of death presented. Two months of their thousand have gone by and most people have neither died nor have a close loved one who has died. As such, they're kind of done with it I think.

If ebola was out there, people would stay indoors. If there were state snipers stationed on the roads gunning down people who went out, then people would stay indoors.

But for covid alone, no one will stay indoors for long.

[Don]

And rightly fucking so.

[Giggles]

I like the snipers idea. It’s got to the stage where virus threat be damned, people need to be shown they can be put into line purely because they’ve flouted the fuck out of this so much.

[Yevrah]

If the rationale for us needing to still be inside isn't explained this afternoon, and we're locked down for another 3 weeks, then I think even more people will be fucking it off, probably closely followed by businesses opening up that haven't been given the green light.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I like the snipers idea. It’s got to the stage where virus threat be damned, people need to be shown they can be put into line purely because they’ve flouted the fuck out of this so much.

Equally, though, the only time a government would actually put snipers out would be a) if there were an existential threat to the state itself; b) if they didn't think that they would ultimately be dragged in front of the Hague for doing so. A isn't true anywhere with covid, and B is only true in places like China (and even then, who knows).

[Giggles]

Well not actually snipers obviously. But people need to be shown that they can be made to do as they’re bid at times like this. The flouting has been a massive two fingers and those people need to be crushed.

[Baz]

What time is today’s show announcement?

[Magic]

Giggles fear of the SECOND WAVE is palpable.

The regret he must be feeling about the way he's lived his life. :drool:

[Giggles]

Giggles fear of the SECOND WAVE is palpable.

The regret he must be feeling about the way he's lived his life. :drool:

Could be worse, I could have had yours. I’d take the sweet release of death rather than live one minute of your loveless, family devoid existence.

There’s no fear to be had of a second wave, it’ll just be around and we’ll need to behave accordingly rather than what the papers splash across their front pages. It won’t all just come at once even if you do write it in all caps.
My posts above come from a feeling that people need to be put in their place rather than anything virus specific. If you’re told to do something then you should be doing it, and especially not blatantly flouting it.

[Kikó]

https://www.endcoronavirus.org/countries

Good time to stay alert and control the virus imo

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[Magic]

So would I... until Dec 2018. :drool:

[Giggles]

So would I... until Dec 2018. :drool:

It’ll hardly turn out well when you’re the problem.

[Don]

7pm. Gonna be a momentous occasion.

"Grandpa, where were you when Boris announced the re-opening of frosts?"

[Yevrah]

https://www.endcoronavirus.org/countries

Good time to stay alert and control the virus imo

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That's quite wishy-washy and could easily be taken as the go ahead to start doing shit. Hell, it might actually be the go ahead.

[Spikey M]

Could be worse, I could have had yours. I’d take the sweet release of death rather than live one minute of your loveless, family devoid existence.

There’s no fear to be had of a second wave, it’ll just be around and we’ll need to behave accordingly rather than what the papers splash across their front pages. It won’t all just come at once even if you do write it in all caps.
My posts above come from a feeling that people need to be put in their place rather than anything virus specific. If you’re told to do something then you should be doing it, and especially not blatantly flouting it.

I think a 2nd, 3rd and probably numerous further waves are pretty much nailed on. As Jimmy said, it's just not deadly enough for Johnny Public to be willing to inconvenience themselves for an undefined period of time.

I can see everything largely being allowed to go back to normal by the end of summer, with just the old, vulnerable and Yevrah being banged up in their houses.

[Yevrah]

I can assure you Spikey, I'll be out as soon as is allowed.

[Giggles]

I think a 2nd, 3rd and probably numerous further waves are pretty much nailed on. As Jimmy said, it's just not deadly enough for Johnny Public to be willing to inconvenience themselves for an undefined period of time.

I can see everything largely being allowed to go back to normal by the end of summer, with just the old, vulnerable and Yevrah being banged up in their houses.

They won’t really be ‘waves’ it’ll just hang around like the normal flu just with a higher mortality rate. Until there’s an actual vaccine anyway.

EDIT: Forgot to add “IF EVER!!!!!!11!!!1!!” to to the end of the vaccine sentence. It’s the law than you have to.

[Don]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXpCkfQXkAA2KrZ?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Shindig]

It doesn't operate like normal flu, though. It is not seasonal.

[Giggles]

It doesn't operate like normal flu, though. It is not seasonal.

Nobody even knows if you can catch it twice or had it in their area for a full year so I’d imagine that’s probably not set in stone.

[Yevrah]

If we go too far with the opening up we'll get another tens of thousands of deaths. Which doesn't necessarily mean we shouldn't open up, but at this point I can't understand how that isn't crystal clear to people.

[Spikey M]

They won’t really be ‘waves’ it’ll just hang around like the normal flu just with a higher mortality rate. Until there’s an actual vaccine anyway.

EDIT: Forgot to add “IF EVER!!!!!!11!!!1!!” to to the end of the vaccine sentence. It’s the law than you have to.

There'll definitely be waves. This thing spreads like wildfire given the chance. As soon as people relax a bit, it'll spike again.

[Spikey M]

From the BBC:

Cases in Ghana jump by nearly 30% in a single day, as 500 workers at an industrial facility test positive.

It's mental how contagious this is.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Could be worse, I could have had yours. I’d take the sweet release of death rather than live one minute of your loveless, family devoid existence.

There’s no fear to be had of a second wave, it’ll just be around and we’ll need to behave accordingly rather than what the papers splash across their front pages. It won’t all just come at once even if you do write it in all caps.
My posts above come from a feeling that people need to be put in their place rather than anything virus specific. If you’re told to do something then you should be doing it, and especially not blatantly flouting it.

:D

[Don]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXp9j55WkAARX9Y?format=jpg&name=large

[niko_cee]

From the BBC:

Cases in Ghana jump by nearly 30% in a single day, as 500 workers at an industrial facility test positive.

It's mental how contagious this is.

Is it though? I thought that thinking was swaying towards it being less contagious than first feared. The situation as experienced in Europe is the product of allowing it to spread unchecked for at least 2, maybe 3 months whilst it was largely under the radar. You'd have to imagine that won't be allowed to happen again, with all the test track and trace or whatever it is (assuming that in any way happens), and a general greater awareness of the possible existence of this thing. I'm almost certain my mother in law had this in early Feb, she had all the classic symtoms, comes from one of the seed points in the UK (Brighton) and went to Tenerife for good measure during that time (poss end of Jan) - it'll be interesting to see just how many people have had it if they can ever roll out an effective antibody test.

[Giggles]

The meat factories thing seems to be a huge thing here and when I was searching for some more info I see it’s a thing in other territories too. Is it just that working conditions in these tend to be shit and workers in them tend to be treated like dirt (though that would surely apply across most of the food manufacturing industry then) or is it something to do with working in artificially cold areas and then being in and out to higher ones?

[Spikey M]

Left unchecked, the R-0 is 5.7. That seems high to me anyway.

It's still near enough 1 despite most of us staying home as much as possible.

[Alex]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52605819


"Stay alert will mean stay alert, by staying home as much as possible"

:D

Except don't, you know, feel like you have to stay at home....otherwise we would have just stuck with "stay at home" for another three weeks? Do what you want and on your heads be it if it goes wrong, I suppose.

I'm not one to join the government pile-on, but I do feel like this new direction is vague to the point of being meaningless. Obviously we'll have to wait and see what he actually says in the address. I'm not even saying we shouldn't be allowed out, I'm not an expert, I don't have a fucking clue. I just struggling to grasp when the actual direction is supposed to be at the minute.

[Don]

Who the fuck is going to change their behaviour because the three line slogan has changed, even though its introduction comes with an emphasis of staying at home?

You're either already breaking rules or you were going to break it regardless of the slogan change.

[Jimmy Floyd]

All I can glean so far is that they want the economy to open up but only unofficially, so they can't be blamed when it goes tits up and everyone dies.

[Boydy]

That's what this whole fucking thing has been. Them refusing to take responsibility and trying to shift the blame.

[Spikey M]

Who the fuck is going to change their behaviour because the three line slogan has changed, even though its introduction comes with an emphasis of staying at home?

You're either already breaking rules or you were going to break it regardless of the slogan change.

I completely disagree. If the government say 'don't do that, it's an order' most people listen. If they then go out of their way to revoke the order and replace it with a limp 'just don't be silly' request, then a large proportion of society is going to relax and start doing a whole host of silly shit.

[Yevrah]

As I've been saying for a while now, it's a shambles.

[Don]

I guess what I'm saying is if you're thick enough to only comprehend the slogan and not the actual context, you're not intelligent enough to adhere to instructions in the first place.

Looks like Scots, Welsh and Giggles' better half are telling England to fuck off, let's have some referendums to entertain us.

[Lewis]

Bearing in mind that things aren't going to all open up as normal any time soon, what else can you use as a slogan other than one aimed at maintaining positive habits during gradual re-opening (and possible re-closing)? People aren't going to read it as an invitation to do everything they want; and even if they did, they can't anyway.

[Byron]

To be fair to Johnson, he didn't sign up for this.

He thought this would be the happy fun-time 'GET BREXIT DONE' Premiership, he never thought he have to actually preside over a crisis and show leadership. Telling people to stay at home for their safety? Closing down businesses? Ensuring a clear message is passed down to a nervous public?

'Nah can't have that dear boy, Raab or Hancock can do that, ta-ta chaps I'm off to knob Carrie for a bit and then I might pop into one of those COBRA meetings if I feel like it but Dom attends those and really he speaks for me anyway so cheerio!'

[Kikó]

The governments intent is clear without being explicit. We need to get to normal as it's costing us a fortune but we need the public to give up first.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Bearing in mind that things aren't going to all open up as normal any time soon, what else can you use as a slogan other than one aimed at maintaining positive habits during gradual re-opening (and possible re-closing)? People aren't going to read it as an invitation to do everything they want; and even if they did, they can't anyway.

I must admit, while I think this slogan is stupid, Twitter's glee about how stupid it is makes me think it possibly isn't as stupid as I first thought.

If that makes any sense.

[Yevrah]

The slogan is just a diversion and should have no time paid to it at all.

[Giggles]

I guess what I'm saying is if you're thick enough to only comprehend the slogan and not the actual context, you're not intelligent enough to adhere to instructions in the first place.

Looks like Scots, Welsh and Giggles' better half are telling England to fuck off, let's have some referendums to entertain us.

Something really does need to be done about Northen Ireland though. We really don’t want to be sharing an island with you so it’s either time to ship the planters back to Scotland and make us take on the mess or it’s time to close about 200 of the border crossings permanently and do it properly with no free movement.

[Kikó]

The slogan is easy to understand.
[173 words later]

See?

[Revolution]

The virus is weird. It seems for most people, they dont spread it. But then one person can pass it on to a multitude of people.

If you look at this, you will see most dont pass it on:

https://infographics.channelnewsasia.com/covid-19/coronavirus-singapore-clusters.html

Another thing that backs this up is that if someone in your house gets it, the odds of household transmission at the moment is estimated to be around 15%.

Here's two report on it but I've seen a few:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.03.20028423v3

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa450/5821281

Basically get me in a fucking beer garden

[Byron]

The slogan is easy to understand.
[173 words later]

See?

It's easy, the message is;

STAY ALERT by STAYING AT HOME but you can go out for a bit longer and more often during the day but you should still BE ALERT, oh and garden centres can open as well so you can get your gardening done but you should still be STAYING ALERT if you're there and if you're sunbathing then you shouldn't but we're not going to arrest you so STAY ALERT and then GO HOME AND STAY HOME until tomorrow when you do the same again.

[Lewis]

I must admit, while I think this slogan is stupid, Twitter's glee about how stupid it is makes me think it possibly isn't as stupid as I first thought.

If that makes any sense.

It seems to mainly be people highlighting their own stupidity. HOW CAN YOU BE ALERT AGAINST A VIRUS?! Really?

[Shindig]

Big billboards with the phrase, "DON'T BE FUCKING STUPID" would be awesome. Covers a multitude of sins. Like how they brought out the BIN THE WIPE bus shelter ads for this. You forget it's about not clogging your pipes until you put just a bit of thought into it.

[Waffdon]

That's what this whole fucking thing has been. Them refusing to take responsibility and trying to shift the blame.

Exactly.

Blood on their hands.

[Boydy]

Something really does need to be done about Northen Ireland though. We really don’t want to be sharing an island with you so it’s either time to ship the planters back to Scotland and make us take on the mess or it’s time to close about 200 of the border crossings permanently and do it properly with no free movement.

We're coming to join you.

[Spikey M]

No Blacks, No Dags, No Northern Irish.

[Giggles]

We're coming to join you.

I see Lord Foster will be ignoring Boris' new message which won't go down all that well. I still prefer the big fence/wall though.

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/northern-ireland-break-away-uk-coronavirus-message-says-arlene-foster-2848235 (I hope the bottom line of that headline doesn't go missing or it'll cause heart attacks across NI).

[Boydy]

I see Lord Foster will be ignoring Boris' new message which won't go down all that well. I still prefer the big fence/wall though.
Yeah, I'm quite surprised given how keen she and her party were to follow on everything else like Brexit but I'm glad they've diverged on this.

https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/northern-ireland-break-away-uk-coronavirus-message-says-arlene-foster-2848235 (I hope the bottom line of that headline doesn't go missing or it'll cause heart attacks across NI).
:D

[Giggles]

Yeah, I'm quite surprised given how keen she and her party were to follow on everything else like Brexit but I'm glad they've diverged on this.

:D

She was fairly dead set on following what the mainland was doing in the beginning too rather than aligning anything with us (school closures, etc). I know that's how politics works up there but that's what makes this all the more surprising now.

[Baz]

Boris and his “power of three” slogans are either something he learned in Year 6, or recently crammed in from a free udemy class on search engine optimisation.

Seen that List Of Boris’ Mistakes thats doing the rounds? :D Should definitely be held accountable. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

[Baz]

Here it is:

December 31st China alerts WHO to new virus.
January 23rd Study reveals a third of China’s patients require intensive care.
January 24th Boris Johnson misses first Cobra meeting.
January 29th Boris Johnson misses second Cobra meeting.
January 31st The NHS declares first ever ‘Level 4 critical incident’ Meanwhile, the government declines to join European scheme to source PPE.
February 5th Boris Johnson misses third Cobra meeting.
February 12th Boris Johnson misses fourth Cobra meeting. Exeter University published study warning Coronavirus could infect 45 million people in the UK if left unchallenged.
February 13th Boris Johnson misses conference call with European leaders.
February 14th Boris Johnson goes away on holiday. Aides are told keeps Johnson’s briefing notes short or he will not read them.
February 18th Johnson misses fifth cobra meeting.
February 26th Boris Johnson announces ‘Herd Immunity’ strategy, announcing some people will lose loved ones. Government document is leaked, predicting half a million Brits could die in ‘worse case scenario’
February 29th Boris Johnson retreats to his country manor. NHS warns of ‘PPE shortage nightmare’ Stockpiles have dwindled or expired after years of austerity cuts.
March 2nd Boris Johnson attends his first Cobra meeting, declining another opportunity to join European PPE scheme. Government’s own scientists say over half a million Brit’s could die if virus left unrestrained. Johnson tells country “We are very, very well prepared.”
March 3rd Scientists urge Government to advise public not to shake hands. Boris Johnson brags about shaking hands of Coronavirus patients.
March 4th Government stops providing daily updates on virus following a 70% spike in UK cases. They will later U-turn on this amid accusations they are withholding vital information.
March 5th Boris Johnson tells public to ‘wash their hands and business as usual’
March 7th Boris Johnson joins 82,000 people at Six Nations match.
March 9th After Ireland cancels St Patrick’s day parades, the government says there’s “No Rationale” for cancelling sporting events.
March 10th - 13th Cheltenham takes place, more than a quarter of a million people attend.
March 11th 3,000 Atletico Madrid fans fly to Liverpool.
March 12th Boris Johnson states banning events such as Cheltenham will have little effect. The Imperial College study finds the government’s plan is projected to kill half a million people.
March 13th The FA suspends the Premier League, citing an absence of Government guidance. Britain is invited to join European scheme for joint purchase of ventilators, and refuses. Boris Johnson lifts restrictions of those arriving from Coronavirus hot spots.
March 14th Government is still allowing mass gatherings, as Stereophonics play to 5,000 people in Cardiff.
March 16th Boris Johnson asks Britons not to go to pubs, but allows them to stay open. During a conference call, Johnson jokes that push to build new ventilators should be called ‘Operation Last Gasp’
March 19th Hospital patients with Coronavirus are returned to care homes in a bid to free up hospital space. What follows is a boom of virus cases in care homes.
March 20th The Government states that PPE shortage crisis is “Completely resolved” Less than two weeks later, the British Medical Association reports an acute shortage in PPE.
March 23rd UK goes into lockdown.
March 26th Boris Johnson is accused of putting ‘Brexit over Breathing’ by not joining EU ventilator scheme. The government then state they had not joined the scheme because they had ‘missed the email’
April 1st The Evening Standard publishes that just 0.17% of NHS staff have been tested for the virus.
April 3rd The UK death toll overtakes China.
April 5th 17.5 million Antibody tests, ordered by the government and described by Boris Johnson as a ‘game changer’ are found to be a failure.
April 7th Boris Johnson is moved to intensive care with Coronavirus.
April 16th Flights bring 15,000 people a day into the UK - without virus testing.
April 17th Health Secretary Matt Hancock says “I would love to be able to wave a magic wand and have PPE fall from the sky.” The UK has now missed four opportunities to join the EU’s PPE scheme.
April 21st The Government fails to reach its target of face masks for the NHS, as it is revealed manufactures offers of help were met with silence. Instead millions of pieces of PPE are being shipped from the UK to Europe.
April 23rd - 24th Government announces testing kits for 10 million key workers. Orders run out within minutes as only 5,000 are made available.
April 25th UK death toll from Coronavirus overtakes that of The Blitz.
April 30th Boris Johnson announces the UK has succeeded in avoiding a tragedy that had engulfed other parts of the world - At this point, The UK has the 3rd highest death toll in the world.
May 1st The Government announces it has reached its target of 100,000 tests - They haven’t conducted the tests, but posted the testing kits.
May 5th The UK death toll becomes the highest in Europe.
May 6th Boris Johnson announces the UK could start to lift lockdown restrictions by next week.


EDIT: Turns out it was put together by the person who did my wedding photography, rather than doing the rounds per se, so feel free to fact-check it.

[Shindig]

Oh. Oh, dear. Some of it's a little naff (retreats to his country manor) but it's terrible how many times he's said or done something bad.

[Spikey M]

1259409186095607809?s=19

[Manc]

https://youtu.be/TB54dZkzZOY

[Shindig]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52604676

Whelp, so much for that.

[Magic]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52604676

Whelp, so much for that.

Was always going to happen though, just need to be mindful of the vulnerable. Shouldn't be an issue.

[Don]

Here it is:

December 31st China alerts WHO to new virus.
January 23rd Study reveals a third of China’s patients require intensive care.
January 24th Boris Johnson misses first Cobra meeting.
January 29th Boris Johnson misses second Cobra meeting.
January 31st The NHS declares first ever ‘Level 4 critical incident’ Meanwhile, the government declines to join European scheme to source PPE.
February 5th Boris Johnson misses third Cobra meeting.
February 12th Boris Johnson misses fourth Cobra meeting. Exeter University published study warning Coronavirus could infect 45 million people in the UK if left unchallenged.
February 13th Boris Johnson misses conference call with European leaders.
February 14th Boris Johnson goes away on holiday. Aides are told keeps Johnson’s briefing notes short or he will not read them.
February 18th Johnson misses fifth cobra meeting.
February 26th Boris Johnson announces ‘Herd Immunity’ strategy, announcing some people will lose loved ones. Government document is leaked, predicting half a million Brits could die in ‘worse case scenario’
February 29th Boris Johnson retreats to his country manor. NHS warns of ‘PPE shortage nightmare’ Stockpiles have dwindled or expired after years of austerity cuts.
March 2nd Boris Johnson attends his first Cobra meeting, declining another opportunity to join European PPE scheme. Government’s own scientists say over half a million Brit’s could die if virus left unrestrained. Johnson tells country “We are very, very well prepared.”
March 3rd Scientists urge Government to advise public not to shake hands. Boris Johnson brags about shaking hands of Coronavirus patients.
March 4th Government stops providing daily updates on virus following a 70% spike in UK cases. They will later U-turn on this amid accusations they are withholding vital information.
March 5th Boris Johnson tells public to ‘wash their hands and business as usual’
March 7th Boris Johnson joins 82,000 people at Six Nations match.
March 9th After Ireland cancels St Patrick’s day parades, the government says there’s “No Rationale” for cancelling sporting events.
March 10th - 13th Cheltenham takes place, more than a quarter of a million people attend.
March 11th 3,000 Atletico Madrid fans fly to Liverpool.
March 12th Boris Johnson states banning events such as Cheltenham will have little effect. The Imperial College study finds the government’s plan is projected to kill half a million people.
March 13th The FA suspends the Premier League, citing an absence of Government guidance. Britain is invited to join European scheme for joint purchase of ventilators, and refuses. Boris Johnson lifts restrictions of those arriving from Coronavirus hot spots.
March 14th Government is still allowing mass gatherings, as Stereophonics play to 5,000 people in Cardiff.
March 16th Boris Johnson asks Britons not to go to pubs, but allows them to stay open. During a conference call, Johnson jokes that push to build new ventilators should be called ‘Operation Last Gasp’
March 19th Hospital patients with Coronavirus are returned to care homes in a bid to free up hospital space. What follows is a boom of virus cases in care homes.
March 20th The Government states that PPE shortage crisis is “Completely resolved” Less than two weeks later, the British Medical Association reports an acute shortage in PPE.
March 23rd UK goes into lockdown.
March 26th Boris Johnson is accused of putting ‘Brexit over Breathing’ by not joining EU ventilator scheme. The government then state they had not joined the scheme because they had ‘missed the email’
April 1st The Evening Standard publishes that just 0.17% of NHS staff have been tested for the virus.
April 3rd The UK death toll overtakes China.
April 5th 17.5 million Antibody tests, ordered by the government and described by Boris Johnson as a ‘game changer’ are found to be a failure.
April 7th Boris Johnson is moved to intensive care with Coronavirus.
April 16th Flights bring 15,000 people a day into the UK - without virus testing.
April 17th Health Secretary Matt Hancock says “I would love to be able to wave a magic wand and have PPE fall from the sky.” The UK has now missed four opportunities to join the EU’s PPE scheme.
April 21st The Government fails to reach its target of face masks for the NHS, as it is revealed manufactures offers of help were met with silence. Instead millions of pieces of PPE are being shipped from the UK to Europe.
April 23rd - 24th Government announces testing kits for 10 million key workers. Orders run out within minutes as only 5,000 are made available.
April 25th UK death toll from Coronavirus overtakes that of The Blitz.
April 30th Boris Johnson announces the UK has succeeded in avoiding a tragedy that had engulfed other parts of the world - At this point, The UK has the 3rd highest death toll in the world.
May 1st The Government announces it has reached its target of 100,000 tests - They haven’t conducted the tests, but posted the testing kits.
May 5th The UK death toll becomes the highest in Europe.
May 6th Boris Johnson announces the UK could start to lift lockdown restrictions by next week.


EDIT: Turns out it was put together by the person who did my wedding photography, rather than doing the rounds per se, so feel free to fact-check it.

Tell the cunt to start training for a new career instead and not waste his time.

[John Arne]

Heard the UK has decided against the policy of not refusing to reject the decision to reverse the uplifting of the enforced lockdown.

[Spikey M]

Heard the UK has decided against the policy of not refusing to reject the decision to reverse the uplifting of the enforced lockdown.

What?

[John Arne]

What?

Twitter seemed to suggest that the message was somewhat unclear.

[Shindig]

Eight people have been fined for breaking lockdown regulations after a fight broke out at a birthday party attended by 40 adults and children.

Phenomenal.

[Baz]

Tell the cunt to start training for a new career instead and not waste his time.

What do you mean?

[Yevrah]

4 minutes in and he's not said anything of substance.

[Yevrah]

So we're at level 3.8?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I stopped listening to him very quickly, entranced by the signer's low key mullet.

[Boydy]

There we go, "get back to work". Typical fucking tories.

[Yevrah]

There we go, "get back to work". Typical fucking tories.

Sigh. If you're going to take this approach you're as bad as Jim and Lewis.

[Baz]

What’s the actual message(s) outcome, for those who missed it?

[Shindig]

I don't think the construction site next to office ever really stopped, to be fair.

[Yevrah]

What’s the actual message(s) outcome, for those who missed it?

I've honestly no idea. This is the worst 13 minutes of communication I've ever seen so far.

[Yevrah]

I don't think the construction site next to office ever really stopped, to be fair.

The construction industry was never formally told to stop.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They never told people who can't work from home to stop working anyway, so I don't see what has changed, other than being slightly more liberal on the exercise front.

[Boydy]

What’s the actual message(s) outcome, for those who missed it?
Get back to work, peasants, but don't take the train or bus.

[Waffdon]

Pre recorded :D

He’s worse than Trump.

[Shindig]

1. Unlimited Exercise.
2. Schools might open on June 1st at the earliest.
3. Terror level 4 ... ish.
4. Quarantine on air travel ... soon.
5. Some hospitality might open in July.
6. Go back to work if possible.

[igor_balis]

fuck is it with these mad tory cunts, obsessed with "individual liberty" and a small state, lol yeah go to the park but you be alert, if your nan dies it's your fault. but as soon as someone wants to make facesitting porn or some shit they get their grubby victorian noses up in your business. fucking mental patients.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I might have missed it because he just sounded like he was phoning the whole thing in, but he didn't say anything about social contact, did he? i.e. I still can't see my parents for the foreseeable?

[Kikó]

That was fucking awful. Get back to work plebs, how dare you all stop working (except those who are still working from home). Get back into construction (who were still doing this anyway) and keep safe. But don't get the bus.

[Pleb]

That was a fucking dumpster fire.

[Kikó]

I might have missed it because he just sounded like he was phoning the whole thing in, but he didn't say anything about social contact, did he? i.e. I still can't see my parents for the foreseeable?

He said maintain the social distance from non household people.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Lovely. Well I've started a relationship with my brown armchair so at least I can go for exercise with him.

[Lewis]

It was a bit disappointing that he didn't have specific plans made up for me personally, which raises more questions than it answers, but otherwise it seemed about right. Incremental changes, loose timetabling... I still think this great tracing wheeze is balls, in principle and inevitably in reality, but there we are.

[Andy]

Fuck knows if I'll be going back to work tomorrow, haven't heard anything.

Will only be able to really go back to work if the big builders merchants open up, I cant see them mobilising in time for tomorrow. Probably this week though.

[Yevrah]

Will only be able to really go back to work if the big builders merchants open up, I cant see them mobilising in time for tomorrow. Probably this week though.

They'll all be open soon in some form or other. They've been planning it for days now.

[Shindig]

We'll know from the Yevrage.

[Spikey M]

This woman whinging about the lack of clarity in when the Hospitality Industry can open is good fun, with the BBC stamping 'Hospitality Services open in July' across her chest.

[Andy]

They'll all be open soon in some form or other. They've been planning it for days now.

That's good, assume for once they will actually all be trade only for a while.

[Don]

Getting Sir Keir on to spout the 'it wasn't clear' propaganda within 10 mins of the speech was quality, so much for BBC being on the Tories' side.

I said it when news programmes were doing it but using this bullshit R-number generator as the fulcrum of life is idiotic.

I really thought we'd have some fucking indication of bubble-based freedoms by now. Fuckin joke, send the ethnics and the oldies to the gas chambers.

[Lewis]

Peter Oborne has praised the broadcast, which proves the moaning about it is largely mong-driven.

[Shindig]

Careful, Taz. You're one of them.

[Don]

Fuck off, I'm not even at peak footballer age.

[Waffdon]

Can walk side by side all day with complete randoms but nothing on seeing family/friends etc. What a time to be alive.

[Kikó]

Getting Sir Keir on to spout the 'it wasn't clear' propaganda within 10 mins of the speech was quality, so much for BBC being on the Tories' side.

I said it when news programmes were doing it but using this bullshit R-number generator as the fulcrum of life is idiotic.

I really thought we'd have some fucking indication of bubble-based freedoms by now. Fuckin joke, send the ethnics and the oldies to the gas chambers.

You do realise the leader of the Conservatives spoke unchallenged for 10 minutes before that right?

[Don]

You do realise the leader of the Conservatives spoke unchallenged for 10 minutes before that right?

He's OUR leader.

Plus, the Starmer shit-stirring was a choice for the BBC and a potent one.

[Kikó]

The leader of the opposition can have airtime. That's normal.

[Don]

Yeah but not necesaarily at such a critical time to shaping how the public will perceive the message.

I'm all for it, just raise a smile next time someone calls the BBC openly biased.

[Boydy]

Especially now he's not a threat to the capital class.

[Kikó]

There are a lot of ways to call out the BBC but having the right to reply to an unchallenged video broadcast by the opposition, isn't a sign of bias.

[Lewis]

The media twats are desperate to get Keir Starmer over. They gave him a very easy ride during their leadership contest, and it's been wall-to-wall wanking ever since.

[phonics]

Because he’s one of them. It works the same for Boris and Dave and Gideon.

[Spikey M]

Nothing says bias like allowing both sides of an argument to be heard.

[Magic]

:drool:

[SvN]

I was just reading an article about the furlough scheme on indy100 and was surprised to be greeted by a photo and quote from our very own Smjffy. Is this the interview you were on about?

[Lewis]

Because he’s one of them. It works the same for Boris and Dave and Gideon.

The media twats aren't the media generally. The twats absolutely hate Boris Johsnon to the point of being demented enough to have previously tried to get Rory Stewart similarly over.

[Kikó]

“I’m not the sharpest tool in the drawer but it seems very simple; I’ve got the contract, the payslip and my job registers on my HMRC account. I heard Steve Barclay, the Brexit secretary, said there had been “trade offs” in order to keep the scheme simple. We aren’t “trade offs”; these are real people he’s talking about”.

:cool:

[Shindig]

It's quite a shit situation. They should've stuck to the date of employment rather than the payday. You've put hours in for them as an employee and should've been allowed to be furloughed.

[Kikó]

60 pages of documentation coming out tomorrow. Woo!

edit days?

[Smjffy]

I still have faith but it's taking forever and the longer it takes the worst the situation becomes.

[SvN]

The problem is that it leaves itself open to fraud if they allow people who weren't paid until after it was announced to be elligible. I remember when they announced it (with very few details) there was talk about people getting their family members and friends all on the payroll ASAP, in order to claim.

I know Smiff will point towards his contract and other evidence, but it's not realistic to expect HMRC to investigate the individual hundreds of thousands of people that fall into this narrow band. They either need to choose between letting the fraudsters run riot or setting a strict cut off date that can't be faked and stick two fingers up to the poor bastards that have fallen through the cracks.

They appear to have chosen the later.

[Smjffy]

The problem is that it leaves itself open to fraud if they allow people who weren't paid until after it was announced to be elligible. I remember when they announced it (with very few details) there was talk about people getting their family members and friends all on the payroll ASAP, in order to claim.

I know Smiff will point towards his contract and other evidence, but it's not realistic to expect HMRC to investigate the individual hundreds of thousands of people that fall into this narrow band. They either need to choose between letting the fraudsters run riot or setting a strict cut off date that can't be faked and stick two fingers up to the poor bastards that have fallen through the cracks.

They appear to have chosen the later.

I can point to my contract, my wage slip, my HMRC account which shows current employer, emails leading too job, order sheets etc. The main issue is they did something very similar for TUPE'd workers that new starters are asking for since the beginning. It's also 500,000 odd from hospitality (our season being right now) and the rough numbers are in the millions according to MP's.

It's all rather fucked up anyway. A stress one doesn't need.

[Manc]

Are you on the dole?

[Baz]

Who sent you money?

[Lofty]

He's OUR leader.


He is the Prime Minister, not the unquestionable god emperor. Remember the geezer spent the first part of his premiership getting bummed by his own party in parliamentary votes. As Boris himself said, the things he mentioned will be put to parliament tomorrow anyway so not sure why having the leader of the opposition comment is such an affront.

I agree though that Starmer is getting an easier ride, some of the stuff the BBC did to Corbyn was ridiculous: I remember they asked him for comment the morning after the Manchester bombing then started pushing him for his views on how that affected the election.

[Smjffy]

Are you on the dole?

Yep although it's a bit of a piss take in that it's barely a weeks wage. The worst part I think is just having your entire income removed overnight without any heads up, that sucked, the timing never helped either given I left Wales in February to do a week trial somewhere just before I moved to Cornwall so I spent nearly £300 in travel alone. I basically got paid on the 28th for what I worked, paid off bills and bought some food, ran out of cash by 19th April and then my week went to shit thereafter. I think the worst thing at the moment is not knowing when that is going to change. At this moment in time I can't afford to get a train ticket to go back home which is what I would have done and looked for work back in care or something so I'm sort of left hoping the restaurant I work at reopens but that's unlikely until June/July or even August depending on where or what you read.

In short chaps, it's been a really challenging period in my life as most my issues in life have been mental ones not financial so it's been a weird feeling. I've never been in this position before and I don't see where it changes. I don't see how Universal Credit payment will last the month as the calculator said I should expect £417 but I got way less than that. I'll call tomorrow but I was on the phone for over two hours just trying to get registered to the Universal Credit so I don't know if it will be a quick fix or if I even got the right amount.

I do think after all this is done I do need a career change as I can imagine this repeating itself somewhere down the line if God forbid we have to lock down again at some point but what do you do when you're as unskilled as I am. :D Lab rat?

[Jimmy Floyd]

More than a career change I think you need to find a place (i.e. geographical location) where you're able and content to be. The job will then come to you. Being itinerant suits some but it strikes me you want to actually get bedded in somewhere.

[ScousePig]

Prepare for a teacher backlash, followed by some teacher bashing.

Just another day, really.

[Smjffy]

More than a career change I think you need to find a place (i.e. geographical location) where you're able and content to be. The job will then come to you. Being itinerant suits some but it strikes me you want to actually get bedded in somewhere.

You're not far off, I suppose. I like bouncing around, I really do but at the same time I think if I found myself in an area where I had a couple of nice friends, good influences then I'd be more inclined to stick around but then life takes over and before I know it I'm somewhere else in UK starting over or back home for a while then make another move.

[Smjffy]

I've just got round to watching Boris's speech....can someone simplify it because that's a whole load of bollocks.

[Spikey M]

I've just got round to watching Boris's speech....can someone simplify it because that's a whole load of bollocks.

It's very simple. Don't go out but feel free to go out and when you do go out do not use public transport but you can use public transport and you must work from home unless you can't work from home then you work from work.

[Shindig]

EXERCISE FOR ALL. Here are things you might be able to do but don't do them yet.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52610594

Okay, I can't see any issues with that. Maybe ... maybe the French could quarantine the people coming back from our infested isle.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The warehouse manager's phone has been ringing this morning with furloughed people clarifying if they need to come 'back to work' due to Boris's statement last night. Surely he doesn't have to be that clear and they are just idiots? Or am I underestimating things?

[mo]

Prepare for a teacher backlash, followed by some teacher bashing.

Just another day, really.

The bashing has already started - did you see the shit about 'sabotaging lessons'? :D Oh and The Blob article, of course.

[Baz]

The warehouse manager's phone has been ringing this morning with furloughed people clarifying if they need to come 'back to work' due to Boris's statement last night. Surely he doesn't have to be that clear and they are just idiots? Or am I underestimating things?I wouldn’t know, fwiw.

[Spikey M]

The warehouse manager's phone has been ringing this morning with furloughed people clarifying if they need to come 'back to work' due to Boris's statement last night. Surely he doesn't have to be that clear and they are just idiots? Or am I underestimating things?

He said go back to work if you can and made no mention of Furlough at all. In what world are they the problem here?

[Jimmy Floyd]

He said go back to work if you can and made no mention of Furlough at all. In what world are they the problem here?

Well I think in his world (and mine) it would go without saying that furloughed people are still furloughed regardless of this particular update, but evidently not everyone thinks like that, or are able to take the phrase 'back to work' in the context of the sentence it is placed in rather than as some kind of stand alone phrase.

Part of the problem (as ever with politicians/journalists) is that they don't inhabit the real world, just a theoretical administrative one.

[phonics]

I thought it was really clear and the people were behind the governments very clear policy?

[Jimmy Floyd]

In general it is completely murky and unclear (for instance - my mum inviting me to sit in their garden tonight - not allowed, mum), but I thought that bit was blindingly obvious.

It would take about three hours for him to read it all out if he had to go through everything in full.

[Andy]

Well I think in his world (and mine) it would go without saying that furloughed people are still furloughed regardless of this particular update, but evidently not everyone thinks like that, or are able to take the phrase 'back to work' in the context of the sentence it is placed in rather than as some kind of stand alone phrase.

Part of the problem (as ever with politicians/journalists) is that they don't inhabit the real world, just a theoretical administrative one.

I'm moving from furlough to working this week. I think it's understandable that some people would expect to go back to factory jobs this week.

Have been told we will be given 48 hours notice once they've decided how we will remobilise.

[Spikey M]

Well I think in his world (and mine) it would go without saying that furloughed people are still furloughed regardless of this particular update, but evidently not everyone thinks like that, or are able to take the phrase 'back to work' in the context of the sentence it is placed in rather than as some kind of stand alone phrase.

Part of the problem (as ever with politicians/journalists) is that they don't inhabit the real world, just a theoretical administrative one.

What context? It was a load of fucking babble in which he said 'don't do that!... but you can if you have to'.

[ScousePig]

The bashing has already started - did you see the shit about 'sabotaging lessons'? :D Oh and The Blob article, of course.

I haven't. I don't want to be just another moaning teacher, but there are so many questions that will need clearing up soon.

I'm glad my Year 6s may have a chance to see each other again, but I'm not sure how it will work or what their attitudes will be like. With the three year groups and the key workers in, that's potentially half the school. Assuming there will be no more than half a class size in each classroom, that could be very classroom being used daily again in June, and presumably most teachers in most days.

It's going to take some organising.

[Boydy]

If I'd been furloughed (and was in England since thankfully we're just keeping lockdown as is for now) I'd probably be ringing my employer to see what was happening.

[Max Power]

Dominic Raab has said I can see my family - but it has to be in the park? I can play tennis with them as well.

[SvN]

I can point to my contract, my wage slip, my HMRC account which shows current employer, emails leading too job, order sheets etc. The main issue is they did something very similar for TUPE'd workers that new starters are asking for since the beginning. It's also 500,000 odd from hospitality (our season being right now) and the rough numbers are in the millions according to MP's.

It's all rather fucked up anyway. A stress one doesn't need.

Yeah I get that there's plenty of evidence - that's not really the point I was trying to make. It's more the fact that due to it being open to very easy abuse, they'd either need to just let that slide or assess claims on an individual basis. There's just not enough resource to do that, especiallly if your number of millions is accurate.

[SvN]

If I'd been furloughed (and was in England since thankfully we're just keeping lockdown as is for now) I'd probably be ringing my employer to see what was happening.

I've already had two ask me this morning.

[Luke Emia]

Why not release the guidance at the same time as the statement? Stupid question but then surely you can put both together and then everyone can work from there? Or is that too logical?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Dominic Raab has said I can see my family - but it has to be in the park? I can play tennis with them as well.

Don't think you can play tennis with them, only with people you live with.

You can however see one of them at a time, if 2m away, in a park, but not in their (or your) garden.

[Andy]

Dominc Raab has said today it's fine to see two people at the same time in a park as long as you're socially distancing.

[phonics]

Overwhelmed by the clarity of this communications strategy.

[Spikey M]

Dominc Raab has said today it's fine to see two people at the same time in a park as long as you're socially distancing.

Hasn't that since been changed to say you can't?

Fucking shambles.

[Magic]

Lol @ all the Scottish subbies going down to Engloland for work. Sturg going to bury the economy here. Thank God I work for an English firm now.

[Spikey M]

Lol @ all the Scottish subbies going down to Engloland for work. Sturg going to bury the economy here. Thank God I work for an English firm now.

Piss off we're full

[Magic]

Piss off we're full

You cunts came up here during the recession.

[Lewis]

They said people who can't work from home should be looking to go back to back. Workplaces will obviously have to prepare for people coming back, hence people not heading back in today, but it is a shift on the previous guidance, so people will want to know. Difficult that.

[Don]

Why not release the guidance at the same time as the statement? Stupid question but then surely you can put both together and then everyone can work from there? Or is that too logical?

Presumably they want to test the water and make sure immediate problems and risks are addressed in the document (policy heads probably furiously editing things like seeing loved ones from different households as we speak).

The whole fiasco is merely proof that logic has been lacking from day one.

[John Arne]

https://gyazo.com/85b263a4322dc17098f521004e8f7df9.jpeg

Looks like a 90's Brit-pop band, only with 5 year old Viet kids. Wearing masks.

[Manc]

Nonce.

[Magic]

Mate says Benidorm bars and cafes are open today. He went straight for a coffee. :cool:

[Baz]

Pubs reopening here 10th August. :thbup:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Dominc Raab has said today it's fine to see two people at the same time in a park as long as you're socially distancing.

They've since clarified that it isn't, you can only see one.

When I say clarified, I of course mean 'contradicted him'. Ministers are so fucking badly briefed on everything, half of what comes out of their mouths is just bollocks.

[Yevrah]

So I can see one person in a park I don't live with?

[phonics]

My mates pub is open :drool:

I’m going for a pint.

[Smjffy]

Yeah I get that there's plenty of evidence - that's not really the point I was trying to make. It's more the fact that due to it being open to very easy abuse, they'd either need to just let that slide or assess claims on an individual basis. There's just not enough resource to do that, especiallly if your number of millions is accurate.

I understand the reasons for not wanting to but that doesn't make it any easier to swallow. If anything I am more alarmed that we don't have much in place to sniff out fraud when and where it exists, especially as it's public funds. I can't remember which MP stated it's into the millions but as I say, given hospitality alone account for over 500,000 it's not exactly small numbers and again, they have done exactly what we have been asking for for TUPE'd workers so this could have been rectified weeks ago. Fleur Anderson wrote to 30 ministers and got just 4 replies...things like that seem more why it won't happen as opposed to any extra work imposed on HMRC or whatever.

Morally it's just completely wrong but I'm sure in the weeks and months to come more will be said of all this when others start realising that some of us have lived with no furlough, no jobs and no entitlement to various benefits....we're drowned out now because of all the other noise but when the million plus doubles, trebles or even quadruples and those who come off furlough pay realise there is zero support for them either then shit will brew.

I find it all rather tiring tbh and I am a bit bitter but I would like to think I have every right to feel a bit aggrieved.

[Smjffy]

They've since clarified that it isn't, you can only see one.

When I say clarified, I of course mean 'contradicted him'. Ministers are so fucking badly briefed on everything, half of what comes out of their mouths is just bollocks.

X100.

I wouldn't be too fussed if I didn't like what was said but when you spend so much time deciphering what was actually said you forgot what was said in the first place because your mind goes instantly to "hey, but such and such said this...."

[SvN]

I completely agree you're got a right to feel aggrieved Smiffy. You've basically been told you aren't entitled to the same benefits as others because you were unfortunate enough to change jobs during a certain time period. It's a real shit sandwich to have to swallow.

[hfswjyr]

I haven't seen Boris' speech yet, but I will admit I had a good laugh at how unclear the Australian PM's lockdown speech was on 24th March.


Tuesday night’s cascading instructions from Scott Morrison’s podium were stay home everyone, but if you have a job, you are an essential worker, so make sure you keep working. Go to school, but don’t go to the foodcourt. Five at a wedding, 10 at a funeral, 10 at a bootcamp, but no yoga. No waxing, but a hairdresser for 30 minutes is still OK.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/25/its-not-working-scott-morrisons-late-night-coronavirus-messages-to-the-nation-only-sow-confusion

Some other highlights:

And so from midnight tomorrow night, all of these following activities and they include some that I've already announced from earlier, will no longer be taking place. Cafes I've already said, but for takeaway that will continue. So no change to the issues around cafes. Food courts and shopping centers will not be allowed to continue, but getting takeaway from those food outlets in those shopping centers that can continue because takeaway is able to be done.

Outdoor and indoor markets excluding food markets like Flemington and things like that because that is essential to ensuring the food supply right across the country.

Community and recreation centers, health clubs, fitness centers, yoga, barre. I hope I've pronounced that correct. I might need some help with that. I'm not quite sure what that is to be honest, but B-A double R-E for those who were looking for the specific definition and spin facilities, saunas, bathhouses, wellness centers. Boot camps and personal training is limited to a maximum of 10 people and the social distancing arrangements must be strictly enforced.

Now weddings can continue to be conducted where it is just the couple, the celebrant and the witnesses. That's no more than five people and the four square meter rule has to be observed within the venue in which that's taken place. But large gatherings for weddings, sadly won't be possible under these new arrangements. And sadly also, and I know this will be very difficult, funerals to know more than 10 persons observing the rules around the four square meter rule and the social distancing practices.

Outdoors, do not congregate together in groups. Now the medical experts panel have made suggestions about how that can be managed. It's very difficult to put a number on it, but the point about it is this. If you're gathering together in a group, say 10 people, together outside in a group, that's not okay. We've got to move people on. It's not a hard and fast rule. I say it only for illustrative purposes.


The video and transcript is here:
https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/N_9jnLq2smVNEl1tEIB4xn6h7xtjldZDbAAGXjn5mSHIYtz4XT jRFridDMLnUcgYxl8UecMGkbWkTZtacY1C44W4bG0?loadFrom =PastedDeeplink&ts=214.9

[Foe]

I mean, Jim, you’re a pretty logical man. Are you following the rule to the letter ;94 for the sake or it meaning you can’t see your parents or are you going to abide social distancing and just go see them in your garden for an hour or two anyway.

If I was nearby my parents I’d be going around if I didn’t think I was ill and they were happy to see me abiding distancing. If, in the very unlikely scenario, some copper decided to pitch up and question it I’d apologise and leave if necessary pointing towards the unclear guidance.

If you’re worried about infecting then don’t go, if you’re not, I wouldn’t be worried about the exact detail (it’s not clear anyway) and just do what feels right and appropriate.

[SvN]

My wife is visiting her parents tomorrow. She was hoping it would be cleared yesterday, but I've told her to just go anyway. Her mum has rapidly worsening alzheimers and there's important paperwork that needs signing.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I mean, Jim, you’re a pretty logical man. Are you following the rule to the letter ;94 for the sake or it meaning you can’t see your parents or are you going to abide social distancing and just go see them in your garden for an hour or two anyway.

If I was nearby my parents I’d be going around if I didn’t think I was ill and they were happy to see me abiding distancing. If, in the very unlikely scenario, some copper decided to pitch up and question it I’d apologise and leave if necessary pointing towards the unclear guidance.

If you’re worried about infecting then don’t go, if you’re not, I wouldn’t be worried about the exact detail (it’s not clear anyway) and just do what feels right and appropriate.

I would go if it wasn't for the following factors:

1) I'm travelling to the office every day so could be picking up more covids than people who are wfh/furloughed;
2) They are mid 60s;
3) One of them has a job whereby it'd be best if they weren't seen by the local busybodies to be flouting rules;
4) It's the sort of area where there are snoopy cunt neighbours who, if they saw me driving in, would be spreading rumours/turning their noses up at the parents;
5) I was brought up to abide by the law.

If the 3 of those 5 things which relate to the law/guidance were removed, then I'd go, as I think the virus risk is reasonably low; as it is I think it's best that I don't just yet. I'm sure it won't be more than another round of review before such things are possible.

[Magic]

My movement is dictated by how seriously the people I know are taking it.

[Yevrah]

My movement is dictated by how seriously the people I know are taking it.

With the shambles last night and this morning from the government I think that'll soon be the same or most if it isn't already.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The biggest problem with the whole thing is that the central logic running through the rules and regs is that people should risk infection for GDP, but not for any reason dear to their hearts. People are just going to respond badly to that.

Would this be different under a left wing government; I very much doubt it, but whatever.

[Magic]

With the shambles last night and this morning from the government I think that'll soon be the same or most if it isn't already.

Aye. My daughter is going to her grandparents whilst I work from home, and my wee sis and bro were round last night for a chat.

My step-mum won't let us in to dad's but she believes 5G caused this, and I daren't go in to my grans as she's 83 and not long out of hospital. My partner's mother is a very fit 70 year old who we've regularly seen since this started. She's alone and her mental wellbeing taking a kicking as she was very socially active.

Mental health very important.

[Spikey M]

If you're going to break the rules, do it now because we'll be back in lockdown by this time next month.

[Magic]

If you're going to break the rules, do it now because we'll be back in lockdown by this time next month.

I've never followed them. :thbup:

[Boydy]

Scientists concerned that coronavirus is adapting to humans (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/10/scientists-concerned-that-coronavirus-is-adapting-to-humans)

Oh great.

[Yevrah]

Just taking the headline in isolation, no shit.

[Magic]

Scientists concerned that coronavirus is adapting to humans (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/10/scientists-concerned-that-coronavirus-is-adapting-to-humans)

Oh great.

Why are you looking at shit like this?

[Boydy]

Why are you looking at shit like this?

It was at the top of the Guardian's homepage.

Also, why not?

[Magic]

It was at the top of the Guardian's homepage.

Also, why not?

It's anxiety inducing guess work. Just curious to your mindset is all.

[Yevrah]

Your first mistake Magic is to assume that alll people who read that will be made anxious by it.

That reaction explains why people think I'm hiding in a bunker mind.

[Spikey M]

It's anxiety inducing guess work. Just curious to your mindset is all.

Anxiety inducing? You've literally just said that you've not been following any of the rules, you giant clopper.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Someone in my town did this:

https://www.thecomet.net/polopoly_fs/1.6646981.1589190011!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/image.jpg

:cool:

[Magic]

Anxiety inducing? You've literally just said that you've not been following any of the rules, you giant clopper.

Exactly. I'm working off facts, not guesswork.

FACTS:

Dangerous to me = no
Dangerous to vulnerable = yes, so stay away

:drool:

[Giggles]

Exactly. I'm working off facts, not guesswork.

FACTS:

Dangerous to me = no
Dangerous to vulnerable = yes, so stay away

:drool:

Has nobody told you that you can carry it to others or are you just that thick/selfish?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

His immune system is also AMAZING and he never posts about how he's dying in the sickness thread...

[Magic]

Has nobody told you that you can carry it to others or are you just that thick/selfish?

Do you not understand 'stay away'?

[Spikey M]

Has nobody told you that you can carry it to others or are you just that thick/selfish?

Fact 1 is a non-fact. Congrats.

[Giggles]

Do you not understand 'stay away'?

You’ve just said you’re following none of the rules. None. In the very post I quoted (in replying to another).
So you are following some rules then. Does that lose you some of your hard man points?

[Magic]

You’ve just said you’re following none of the rules. None. In the very post I quoted (in replying to another).
So you are following some rules then. Does that lose you some of your hard man points?

No because the rule is see no-one. :happycry:

[Magic]

Anyone else see a problem with my personal rules based on absolute science and logic instead of fearmongering, political point scoring and YouTube videos? No?

[Spikey M]

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[Don]

Keep on smashing it MJ in the face of these fucking desperate melts. You're absolutely bang on unless these cunts are living a hermit life in fear of the flu and what-not round the clock.

PS. That Mahow image is making me so wet. The rebellion gathering pace. Just wait until they have to increase the alert level :drool:

[Spikey M]

1259798153487843329?s=19

Lol. 2nd wave incoming.

[Magic]

I could smell Boyd's fear through that post. Leave it mate, it's not fun. Just be yourself and don't go and see any near-death fat losers like Smiggles and Faghow.

[Don]

That's just you reposting it, Spikey.

[Shindig]

I could smell Boyd's fear through that post. Leave it mate, it's not fun. Just be yourself and don't go and see any near-death fat losers like Smiggles and Faghow.

Are you still losing sleep over the Pneumonia monster under your bed?

[Spikey M]

That's just you reposting it, Spikey.

Edited

[Yevrah]

Anyone else see a problem with my personal rules based on absolute science and logic instead of fearmongering, political point scoring and YouTube videos? No?

It's not based on science and logic though, is it. If you're seeing people, you and they are potentially spreading the virus.

Now it's a different story as to whether that's an inevitability and whether we get on with it now as a result, but let's call a spade a spade, that's what you're potentially doing.

[Magic]

It's not based on science and logic though, is it. If you're seeing people, you and they are potentially spreading the virus.

Now it's a different story as to whether that's an inevitability and whether we get on with it now as a result, but let's call a spade a spade, that's what you're potentially doing.

And it's at their discretion whether they want to kill vulnerable and/or old people, not mine. :thbup:

[Spikey M]

He hates his family and he has no friends. He ain't seeing people.

[Yevrah]

And it's at their discretion whether they want to kill vulnerable and/or old people, not mine. :thbup:

By that logic being an arms dealer or a drug baron are both perfectly moral jobs to have.

[Magic]

By that logic being an arms dealer or a drug baron are both perfectly moral jobs to have.

What the...:D

[Lewis]

And it's at their discretion whether they want to kill vulnerable and/or old people, not mine. :thbup:

https://i.imgur.com/dAsKOnN.gif

[Yevrah]

If you're going to break the rules, do it now because we'll be back in lockdown by this time next month.

On a similar point to that, I'd be staggered if we got to July and pubs were allowed to re-open. Absolutely staggered.

[Don]

Dear lord, Piers on an absolute rampage this morning going off the couple trending clips. It's all well and good hearing the sourdough sissies moaning but ITV viewers' dissent will soon start a mutiny.

[Yevrah]

Thanks Lewie.

In isolation what you're doing is fine Magic, but nothing is happening in isolation. You'll come into contact with people who say they're doing the same, but somewhere along the line there'll be someone who gives it to an old codger, or has an underlying health condition they weren't aware of and it's +1 to the death stats. Except it isn't just +1 because this thing spreads like wildfire.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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lol

[Yevrah]

Dear lord, Piers on an absolute rampage this morning going off the couple trending clips. It's all well and good hearing the sourdough sissies moaning but ITV viewers' dissent will soon start a mutiny.

He needs to evolve his act to include his own opinions on how we get out of this (if he has any) or else he'll go stale quite quickly.

[Kikó]

Love going for a swim in my north London pond.

[Shindig]

I need to write to my MP to confirm if a really big puddle can suffice.

[Giggles]

Are you still losing sleep over the Pneumonia monster under your bed?

:drool: