Coronavirus Death Thread

[Giggles]

Has your wife found herself a kickboxer?

Spikey is still desperately trying to bury his head in the sand. Don’t disturb him.

[Boydy]

Spikey is still desperately trying to bury his head in the sand. Don’t disturb him.

Probably pretty easy for him, tbf.

[Giggles]

:D

Between two grains.

[randomlegend]

Felt a bit rough for a couple of days (full of cold, achey, basically fluey) but feel a lot better today.

Still have my sense of taste/smell and didn't have to go to hospital with covid pneumonia.

Vaccine > Taz and Magic.

[Don]

Great to hear, must have been a close shave, we were all worried.

When did you get your last vaccine?

[Baz]

I’ve also got Covid and it sucks. Not sure if it’s second or third time but it’s sods law that I’m fighting fit for months and months when I have no plans beyond work and family boring shite, but in the week where I’m meant to be going out for my mates retirement on the Friday and going the races on Saturday I test positive for Covid.

Feel very achey and generally worn out, along with cold systems like a cough and runny nose. My daughter has also tested positive but has no symptoms. My wife and son tested negative.

Started yesterday. What are the chances I’m producing negative tests (and feel better) by Friday evening?

[randomlegend]

Feeling better, decent chance. Negative tests, highly doubt it.

[Yevrah]

Surely we're at the stage with this now where feeling better is enough to crack on with life?

[Dave.]

Surely we're at the stage with this now where feeling better is enough to crack on with life?

I'm in a different situation to most on here because I work from home but the only time I'd test now is if I'm seeing an elderly relative. For all other stuff, if I'm well enough to go somewhere then I'm definitely going and certainly not testing.

[randomlegend]

I have to test negative for work, which I think is not unreasonable.

[Yevrah]

If I was meeting someone who I feel I should be careful around I'd probably just postpone it and I'd let friends know (I doubt they'd care, but fair to do so), but I can't imagine taking a test again.

EDIT: Unless I had to, like in RL's example.

[Dave.]

I have to test negative for work, which I think is not unreasonable.

Does your workplace pay for your testing kits?

[randomlegend]

Does your workplace pay for your testing kits?

https://www.gov.uk/order-coronavirus-rapid-lateral-flow-tests

I can order them from here for free.

[Pepe]

Yeah, no way I'd bother with testing either unless forced.

Also:



The CDC has rated Union County’s risk assessment for COVID-19 as high. Effective immediately and until further notice, the University has reinstated indoor mask protocols for all employees, students and campus visitors in all public and academic indoor campus spaces.

Yeah, I'm going home.

I decided to not follow the rules and teach without a mask today, like the proper rebel I am. If you don't hear from me again, I am in Covid jail.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Ship the bastard to China.

[Dquincy]

I’ve also got Covid and it sucks. Not sure if it’s second or third time but it’s sods law that I’m fighting fit for months and months when I have no plans beyond work and family boring shite, but in the week where I’m meant to be going out for my mates retirement on the Friday and going the races on Saturday I test positive for Covid.

Feel very achey and generally worn out, along with cold systems like a cough and runny nose. My daughter has also tested positive but has no symptoms. My wife and son tested negative.

Started yesterday. What are the chances I’m producing negative tests (and feel better) by Friday evening?

So basically you have a cold. Just crack on.

[Baz]

Feeling better, decent chance. Negative tests, highly doubt it.

Finally tested negative today. Still feel like garbage but maybe being miserable after missing all my plans are a contributing factor there. :happycry:

1573646239110991875

[Spikey M]

The last one should be a tick too or you're saying that you didn't catch Covid and could have gone.

[Manc]

When does the jumps season start? Baz

[Baz]

When does the jumps season start? Baz

Next Tuesday innit?

[Manc]

That'll do me.

[Bernanke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ceurG7P89c&ab_channel=Dr.JohnCampbell

Dr John is going full on NWO conspiracy. :drool:

[Shindig]

Fucking hell. :D What would you even do at the World Economic Forum, John?

[Yevrah]

Fauci is 81? Fucking hell, has he been drinking from the fountain of youth?

[7om]

Can’t stand this bloke. He’s a fucking nurse and deliberately calls himself Dr John to give himself more credibility. He chats a load of bollocks.

[Pepe]

I decided to not follow the rules and teach without a mask today, like the proper rebel I am. If you don't hear from me again, I am in Covid jail.

The return to masks lasted for three days. I am claiming an e-victory on this one.

[Kikó]

Fauci is 81? Fucking hell, has he been drinking from the fountain of youth?

Maybe he's had loads of the COVID vaccine? :sherlock:

[Spikey M]

Can’t stand this bloke. He’s a fucking nurse and deliberately calls himself Dr John to give himself more credibility. He chats a load of bollocks.

Not a nurse! Has he no shame?

[Jimmy Floyd]

TTH should have sent a representative to the World Economic Forum. Probably Mahow.

[Spikey M]

Kiko went.

[7om]

Not a nurse! Has he no shame?

I don’t have a problem with nurses. If I remember correctly his channel name didn’t originally say doctor. He’s added it in to add credibility. It happens in healthcare sometimes and it isn’t right, especially when patients don’t know the difference between a nurse PhD and a physician.

[Kikó]

Kiko went.

After the cricket.

[randomlegend]

Dickhead doctor line incoming, but there's few things worse in healthcare than a nurse/midwife with a bit of knowledge they don't really have the education to understand.

[Ben]

No wonder doctors are hated in hospitals with attitudes like that.

[7om]

Are they hated?

[Spikey M]

Dickhead doctor line incoming, but there's few things worse in healthcare than a nurse/midwife with a bit of knowledge they don't really have the education to understand.

Got any good transfer roumers m8?

[Ben]

Here we go.

[randomlegend]

No wonder doctors are hated in hospitals with attitudes like that.

Actually what I initially said needs a further qualifier. It's the ones who have a bit of knowledge, don't really understand it but have absolute confidence they know more/better than anyone else and take every opportunity to share that with their patients.

Doctors who think they know more than nurses about nursing are equally bad, by the way.

[Shindig]

I think it began with him as a curiosity and now it's a channel he has to maintain. So he has to keep coming up with things to discuss. Things that are outside his remit but, parasocial relationships being what they are, the audience demands he puts videos out. And without that, he's just an old retired nurse who never leaves the house.

[Bernanke]

I think it began with him as a curiosity and now it's a channel he has to maintain. So he has to keep coming up with things to discuss. Things that are outside his remit but, parasocial relationships being what they are, the audience demands he puts videos out. And without that, he's just an old retired nurse who never leaves the house.

Nah, if you've seen some other of his recent videos it's very clear he is playing to the mental cases and "just asking questions", while expertly skirting the (to be fair completely idiotic) Youtube guidelines on corona related content. I fully expect him to set up a Patreon where he "gives you his full opinion" shortly.

[randomlegend]

I know of midwives who don't think we should be allowed to do bloods to check for dehydration in breast fed babies because it might lead to us giving them formula milk (if they are severely dehydrated and need it in order to not die) which may interfere with breastfeeding and breastfeeding is sacrosanct.

In fact it's even more stupid than that, they think if we are doing bloods for something else (usually jaundice), the machine will also give us the numbers which tell us if the baby is dehydrated that these results should be removed/obscured for breast fed babies.

These are the sorts of things I'm talking about.

[Shindig]

Nah, if you've seen some other of his recent videos it's very clear he is playing to the mental cases and "just asking questions", while expertly skirting the (to be fair completely idiotic) Youtube guidelines on corona related content. I fully expect him to set up a Patreon where he "gives you his full opinion" shortly.

I've noticed that but I also think that's largely because of the comments section. Either he's more coming out with it now or he's playing to the comments section. It's rife with anti-vaxxers and 'YOU ARE DOING GOD'S WORK' nonsense. He always acts so squirmy when youtube slap his wrists. :D

[Jimmy Floyd]

Like a lot of Covid people from 2020, he enjoyed the fame and attention and is now doing whatever necessary to keep it going.

[Pepe]

Youtube celebrities. Why would anyone expect anything but derangement?

[Spikey M]

Why are people even watching this shite?

[Offshore Toon]

I know a midwife that thinks Fabrizio Romano is Tier 1.

[randomlegend]

I know a midwife that thinks Fabrizio Romano is Tier 1.

I didn't say they are always wrong.

[Yevrah]

Why are people even watching this shite?

To be fair he was quite good for seemingly factual advice when his channel took off, but if he's reached for his tin hat to keep the channel going (not sure if he has as I haven't watched for ages) then I'd agree.

[Lewis]

I think everybody I know who has ever had prolonged dealings with NHS nurses carries a seething hatred of them.

[randomlegend]

The nurses I work with in paeds are almost universally absolutely brilliant.

Midwives are a 50/50 split between really nice and terrifying and also a 50/50 split between sensible and bonkers.

Nurses I worked with on medical wards were mostly good as far as I can remember.

Surgical nurses were a mixed bag and the only nurses I've ever got genuinely pissed off with were all surgical nurses.

[randomlegend]

ITU nurses are both incredible nurses and mostly better doctors than I am. If you're dying of sepsis and get the choice between an ITU nurse and any doctor below the grade of medical registrar to save you, choose the ITU nurse.

NICU nurses are equally incredible and all the ones I've met were lovely until you do something without their permission to the baby they are looking after, at which point you will die.

I've never worked in A and E.

[Lewis]

'"Oooh, I'm such a faggot me. I make faggy little pizzas in my faggy little pizza oven like a proper little fucking..."'
'Morning ladies.'
'Oh, er... Morning doctor.'
'Sorry, were you...'
'.....'
'Did you say you've got a pizza oven?'

[Pepe]

:D

[Pepe]

I like the nurses on Reddit.

[Shindig]

To be fair he was quite good for seemingly factual advice when his channel took off, but if he's reached for his tin hat to keep the channel going (not sure if he has as I haven't watched for ages) then I'd agree.

That's about it. Once covid was over, the stream of stuff to talk about dried up. Monkeypox came and went and he's not clued up enough to think, "Today we're going to talk about <health issue>" and pivot his channel in a more general direction.

[Dquincy]

I know of midwives who don't think we should be allowed to do bloods to check for dehydration in breast fed babies because it might lead to us giving them formula milk (if they are severely dehydrated and need it in order to not die) which may interfere with breastfeeding and breastfeeding is sacrosanct.

In fact it's even more stupid than that, they think if we are doing bloods for something else (usually jaundice), the machine will also give us the numbers which tell us if the baby is dehydrated that these results should be removed/obscured for breast fed babies.

These are the sorts of things I'm talking about.

On the side of midwives here.

[Yevrah]

That's about it. Once covid was over, the stream of stuff to talk about dried up. Monkeypox came and went and he's not clued up enough to think, "Today we're going to talk about <health issue>" and pivot his channel in a more general direction.

Indeed. I suspect what he's also noticed that wasn't apparent when his videos (pre-Covid) were getting dozens of views is that the internet is full of people who utterly love the foil and once you're (possibly inadvertently) on that train it's hard to leave the trappings it brings and get off it.

[randomlegend]

On the side of midwives here.

That's reassuring.

[Spikey M]

It's more reassuring than a doctor that flip-flops between "there's few things worse in healthcare than a nurse/midwife with a bit of knowledge they don't really have the education to understand" and "Nurses and Midwives are all brilliant. Some of them known more than me! My humility knows no bounds"

Which is it, Dr Death?

[Kikó]

No wonder Lee laughs at idiot Junior doctors like him. Get the locum in.

[randomlegend]

It's more reassuring than a doctor that flip-flops between "there's few things worse in healthcare than a nurse/midwife with a bit of knowledge they don't really have the education to understand" and "Nurses and Midwives are all brilliant. Some of them known more than me! My humility knows no bounds"

Which is it, Dr Death?

Both things are true.

I already further qualified what I meant by what I initially said and I stand by it. Obviously the people like that are a tiny minority (I've come across probably three in my career). That vast majority of nurses/midwives/other allied health professionals I have worked with are brilliant.

[randomlegend]

No wonder Lee laughs at idiot Junior doctors like him. Get the locum in.

Lee is clueless.

I have experienced every single thing he used to come on here and tell me "definitely never happens". He's either a liar or just oblivious.

[Yevrah]

He also weaponised old people into care homes, confessed and then deleted it.

[Shindig]

All I remember is him screaming into here because his wife wouldn't take it up the arse.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Weaponised old people into care homes? With an AK47?

[Yevrah]

Weaponised old people into care homes? With an AK47?

With the vid.

[Jimmy Floyd]

TTH Meet at the murder trial?

[Spikey M]

Informal Bevvy's at the Old Bailey.

SvN, get us the deleted post.

[phonics]

I'd have to be told what date the post was on. I'm not checking 572 pages.

[Manc]

Lewis

[Lofty]

Covid is rife, my work team met up for a pint at on friday and 4 are covid positive on the back of it :D

[7om]

Where’s team spreadsheet when you need them ffs

[Magic]

Covid is rife, my work team met up for a pint at on friday and 4 are covid positive on the back of it :D

People are still actually testing? :cab:

[Lofty]

To be fair, these are people who were ill enough to be bed ridden. They could have saved a test by presenting at their local A&E unit I suppose.

[randomlegend]

They could have saved a test by presenting at their local A&E unit I suppose.

Lol

[Shindig]

Our office still has some old stock so you'll probably get the scenario of someone turning up and then going straight back home.

[Dquincy]

That's reassuring.

The benefits of breastmilk is not valued high enough imo. (For a baby, not an adult. I'm no pervert.)

Same for vaginal births compared to to a Dr encouraging a mother to proceed with a sunroof job. But you're not ready to discuss this.

[Shindig]

Of course caesarean sections are the least healthy option. They're usually taken in circumstances where a vaginal birth isn't possible. For, y'know, the safety of the baby, mother or both.

[Kikó]

Not according to YouTube.

[7om]

But you're not ready to discuss this.

:D

It’s like a red rag to a bull

[randomlegend]

The benefits of breastmilk is not valued high enough imo. (For a baby, not an adult. I'm no pervert.)

Same for vaginal births compared to to a Dr encouraging a mother to proceed with a sunroof job. But you're not ready to discuss this.

The importance of the benefits of breast milk are outweighed by the importance of not dying of dehydration.

In fact, not even that, because the Mum would still be encouraged to breast feed. So you still get all the benefits of breast feeding. We'd just give formula on top (to stop the whole dying thing).

[Yevrah]

I, for one, am shocked.


After Pfizer’s CEO Albert Bourla declined to appear before the European Parliament to answer questions, Janine Small attended a parliamentary hearing on Monday in his stead. Member of the European Parliament (“MEP”) Rob Roos from the Netherlands asked her a simple “yes” or “no” question: Was the Pfizer Covid vaccine tested for stopping transmission of the virus before it entered the market?

Janine Small answered “No.”

https://www.nutritruth.org/single-post/pfizer-admits-to-european-parliament-they-never-tested-whether-covid-vaccine-prevented-transmission

The BBC have decided not to cover this, hence the link to a site I've never heard of, can't imagine why.

[phonics]

Wasn't it always advertised as a way to stop the effects of COVID being as bad hence the whole only people who didn't get vaxxed die of it now?

[Shindig]

Yeah, the reduced transmission talk stopped at least a year ago.

[Magic]

So why baxxine passports then?

[7om]

I’ve seen a few people pissing their pants about this as if it’s a massive “told you so” moment. It really isn’t. The vaccines have saved millions of lives worldwide. Quibbling over transmission rates is neither here nor there.

[Yevrah]

Yeah, the reduced transmission talk stopped at least a year ago.

I must have missed all the I stand corrected posts from those who were ramming it down the throats of others when it was being accepted and parroted as fact.

[Yevrah]

I’ve seen a few people pissing their pants about this as if it’s a massive “told you so” moment. It really isn’t. The vaccines have saved millions of lives worldwide. Quibbling over transmission rates is neither here nor there.

It was the principle reason being pushed to get those who weren't in a risk group to have a vaccine. A vaccine that (in many cases) was more dangerous to them than the disease itself. It's a huge deal and will seriously undermine future vaccine uptake.

EDITED: To add the (in many cases).

[Yevrah]

And the two things aren't mutually exclusive 7om. The sensible approach is to highlight that the vaccine was a wonderful thing and that we didn't need to be calling people anti-vaxxers for not wanting to give it to their children now we know they weren't increasing the risk of killing granny by not giving it to them.

[Pepe]

I have to agree. If the message had been that the vaccine only protects the person who gets it since the beginning, then there would have not been any need to force people to take it. The only reason that it was forced was because it would allegedly decrease the spread.

[Yevrah]

I have to agree. If the message had been that the vaccine only protects the person who gets it since the beginning, then there would have not been any need to force people to take it. The only reason that it was forced was because it would allegedly decrease the spread.

Indeed. The vaccine zealots have created anti-vaxxers from people who never would have been otherwise, perhaps a very significant number. And that they're now doubling down or moving the goalposts and focusing on how the vaccine saved millions of lives, while ignoring that legitimate wrong, is just going to make it worse. I look forward to the return of Polio.

[Shindig]

Can't both be true, though? It was limiting spread until the new strains like Delta onwards.

[Pepe]

Didn't the vaccine come out after the new variant? Can't remember anymore. Either way, once it was clear that the vaccine did not reduce spread, we could have lifted all vaccine requirements. That did not happen.

[Giggles]

Just dry up and stop letting it turn you mad, it’s all good from there.

[Shindig]

Didn't the vaccine come out after the new variant? Can't remember anymore. Either way, once it was clear that the vaccine did not reduce spread, we could have lifted all vaccine requirements. That did not happen.

Nah, we had a good couple of months where the vaccine only had Wuhan strain to worry about. Britain stepped up our vaccination campaign (by saying 'fuck waiting for second shots. Let's get as many first shots done') to combat the Delta variant when that was kicking off. Once it was clear the horse had bolted, the vaccine passports felt a little daft.

[Magic]

Some cunt died at a reasonably local baxxine centre today. :D

[Baz]

Having the vaccine makes you less likely to spread covid, you moron.

I would like to publicly apologise to Dquincy

[Spikey M]

I would like to apologise to Yevrah for doubting the profiteering of the vaccine manufacturers (especially Pfizer).

However, I am claiming my e-victory for not vaccinating my kids and for being a founding member of team "it doesn't stop it spreading anyway". :cool:

I want Kiko to award my certificate as punishment for bullying me.

[John Arne]

I must be missing something here.

The actual vaccine may not have reduced transmission, but it massively reduced the numbers of people getting Covid (and the severity) in the first place, then that reduces that number of people you are likely to catch it from.

I don't see the outrage here.

[Spikey M]

I must be missing something here.

The actual vaccine may not have reduced transmission, but it massively reduced the numbers of people getting Covid (and the severity) in the first place, then that reduces that number of people you are likely to catch it from.

I don't see the outrage here.

It didn't.

We had our highest caseload when ~80% of the country was vaccinated. I've had it 3 times and I'm triple jabbed. If does fuck all to stop it spreading.

But, I was barely ill. And It got tamer every time.

(How the fuck does "it may not have reduced transmission" and "but it massively reduced the numbers of people getting Covid" work, exactly?)

[John Arne]

It didn't.

We had our highest caseload when ~80% of the country was vaccinated. I've had it 3 times and I'm triple jabbed. If does fuck all to stop it spreading.

But, I was barely ill. And It got tamer every time.

(How the fuck does "it may not have reduced transmission" and "but it massively reduced the numbers of people getting Covid" work, exactly?)

The fewer people who have it, the fewer people can spread it. Like a cold, or syphilis.

[Queenslander]

I must be missing something here.

The actual vaccine may not have reduced transmission, but it massively reduced the numbers of people getting Covid (and the severity) in the first place, then that reduces that number of people you are likely to catch it from.

I don't see the outrage here.

This what we were told the whole time.

[Giggles]

I must be missing something here.

The actual vaccine may not have reduced transmission, but it massively reduced the numbers of people getting Covid (and the severity) in the first place, then that reduces that number of people you are likely to catch it from.

I don't see the outrage here.

If there's no outrage, what is there?

[Spikey M]

The fewer people who have it, the fewer people can spread it. Like a cold, or syphilis.

Then how was the caseload highest with 80% of people vaccinated?

That quite plainly didn't happen. Again, our highest caseload happened when the majority of the country was vaccinated. However, the case : death ratio was much improved.

[Giggles]

Some cunt died at a reasonably local baxxine centre today. :D

Are you going to rock up to the funeral to laugh at the family?

[Lofty]

I am fat cunt who got vaccinated and on my worst day of my recent covid bout I still managed to get out of my pit and crack on, compared to people I know who were admantly anti vaccine and spent 5 days in bed with it so score one for the sheeple I guess.

The people I know in real life who are rabidly anti-vax would happily snort a line of mystery white powder if I told them it was good shit.

[Ben]

I must be missing something here.

The actual vaccine may not have reduced transmission, but it massively reduced the numbers of people getting Covid (and the severity) in the first place, then that reduces that number of people you are likely to catch it from.

I don't see the outrage here.

True, but Pfizer never marketed it that way. So although if it worked out dandy in the end, they still played with the wording when it came to selling it. Even if it was ultimately a massive positive, being a bunch of sneaky twats still isn't excusable, in my eyes anyway.

[Spikey M]

Fwiw I still think for the 30+ brigade getting vaccinated was the right decision. Even if deaths were already low, it's pretty telling that vaccinated people did not end up like Taz and Magic. Getting it was a minor inconvenience.

The wheels came off when they started trying to pressure kids into getting it.

[Shindig]

A quick reminder for the folks at home: Uk vaccine rollout started January 2021. At that time, 55,000 cases a day were being reported.

By May 2021 cases were down to 1,737. By that time, the bulk of the 1st shots had been handed out. The vaccine was preventing spread against the earlier variants. Against Omicron and Delta, it wasn't as effective.

As for the numbers touted at the time, vaccine effectiveness is really hard to gauge because Omicron's spread is so quick, people will have had prior infections and most people are vaccinated. At this point, it really doesn't matter and the vaccines given out today are likely to be targeting Omicron. It's largely given to the elderly who aren't dying as much from this. That could down to the vaccine, prior infections, the fact Omicron isn't as deadly or a combination of all three. Getting hard data to draw hard conclusions out of this is impossible now.

[Don]

Still being held up as examples, we're fucking massive MJ.

Just to clarify, are i) the variants now far fluffier and cuter, ii) is the vaccine that you fat dickheads had years ago still providing some sort of protection or iii) are you resigned to getting it badly now that you've all decided to stop taking the glorious juice that protected you so well?

[Spikey M]

A quick reminder for the folks at home: Uk vaccine rollout started January 2021. At that time, 55,000 cases a day were being reported.

By May 2021 cases were down to 1,737. By that time, the bulk of the 1st shots had been handed out.

We're just ignoring lockdowns then? Makes sense.

[Shindig]

Shite, I forgot how long it dragged on. Didn't remove the social contacts bollocks until September. :moop:

[John Arne]

Any other alpha's, such as myself, still not had it?

[Ben]

Apparently I've not, but I've only ever done a few tests (for foreign travel). I can't imagine that to be the case however.

[Yevrah]

We're just ignoring lockdowns then? Makes sense.

In the absence of Kiko with a link to a 100 page study, it was pretty clear throughout that the only thing that reduced transmission was shutting people indoors.

[Yevrah]

Any other alpha's, such as myself, still not had it?

I lasted until the Jubilee weekend, when a night of debauchery put paid to that. By that stage though I genuinely thought I was one of the few who'd caught the asymptomatic edition.

[Yevrah]

If there's no outrage, what is there?

I'd brace yourself as this hasn't even got going yet. The next stage will be the legal challenges regarding those who died or ended up quadraspazzed from having the vaccine, and in some cases when they didn't even need one.

[Kikó]

It was the principle reason being pushed to get those who weren't in a risk group to have a vaccine. A vaccine that (in many cases) was more dangerous to them than the disease itself. It's a huge deal and will seriously undermine future vaccine uptake.

EDITED: To add the (in many cases).

In many cases, that's complete nonsense.

[Yevrah]

In many cases, that's complete nonsense.

The risk from the vaccine for children outweighed the benefits of it, which is where the lie about reducing transmission majorly came into play, so you can chuck them all into the many category for a start.

As an aside, do you feel bad about bullying Spikey for not giving it to his kids or is that worthwhile collateral damage in the name of SCIENCE?

[randomlegend]

The risk from the vaccine for children outweighed the benefits of it



Proof?

[Yevrah]

Appreciate these are not your crimes Kiko, but a quick search shows the sort of shit people who were hesitant to vaccinate their kids were met with. My Sister never did get her kids vaccinated and spent months being labelled as an anti-vaxxer by some of the other parents of kids at her kids' school. Strangely that's all gone quiet now.


I've been thinking about the Kids vaccinations recently actually and I am conflicted on it. Does herd immunity depend on them being covered too? And does it matter if the vulnerable are covered anyway?

I don't know, It feels like the risk : reward ratio would be entertaining pointless territory.


I don't have kids, but was talking to my Sister last week about her thoughts on my nephew and niece getting it. She's not keen, for similar reasons.


Fucking nutters.


I've been thinking about the Kids vaccinations recently actually and I am conflicted on it. Does herd immunity depend on them being covered too? And does it matter if the vulnerable are covered anyway?

I don't know, It feels like the risk : reward ratio would be entertaining pointless territory.


I don't have kids, but was talking to my Sister last week about her thoughts on my nephew and niece getting it. She's not keen, for similar reasons.


Why do people suddenly think they’re smarter than the last hundreds of years of medical progress?

We literally eradicated Small Pox and Polio within our lifetime and Baz who’s spent the last year going for a test twice a day thinks he’s not going to bother with the vaccine.

Spikey/Yevrahs sister. The kids have TB jabs, whooping cough, bcg etc. Why the fuck do you care about this one?

The reason to get it is because there’s literally absolutely no reason not to. That’s why the only response at this point is ‘Fucking nutters’.

I guess "hundreds of years of medical progress" was pwned by Janice from Mumsnet. Not a good look.

[randomlegend]

The risk from the vaccine for children outweighed the benefits of it,

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666776222001065?via%3Dihub

Published in the Lancet a few months ago.


This rigorous study confirms a link between SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccines and occurrence of MIS-C and myocarditis in children aged 12-17. However, rates of both of these complications are low compared with the rate of MIS-C after natural infection.


Despite vaccines being associated with rare inflammatory complications, the risk benefit ratio for SARS-CoV-2 vaccination continues to favour vaccination, at least in the 12-17 year old age group included in this study.

That study is not ultimate proof, but it's just to show that it is absolutely not established fact that the risks of the Covid vaccine outweigh the benefits for children as you are trying to sneak through.

[Yevrah]

Proof?

I don't have a 100 page study to link to (I think Pepe linked to something earlier in the thread, which is how it's in my mind). Pepe?

There's this from Sweden.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-decides-against-recommending-covid-vaccines-kids-aged-5-12-2022-01-27/


"With the knowledge we have today, with a low risk for serious disease for kids, we don't see any clear benefit with vaccinating them,"

Not a smoking gun level proof I know, but why are a medical body are not recommending it while there's still a low risk of serious disease for kids? We know there are (small) risks with vaccines, right? No one's disputing that now are they?

[randomlegend]

Frankly, you are the one who's been pwned by Janice from Mumsnet. You've taken that point of view as fact just because it was screeched the loudest and fed into your "THE SCIENCE" narrative. I doubt you've ever even tried to look at the evidence for yourself.

[randomlegend]

I don't have a 100 page study to link to (I think Pepe linked to something earlier in the thread, which is how it's in my mind). Pepe?

There's this from Sweden.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-decides-against-recommending-covid-vaccines-kids-aged-5-12-2022-01-27/



Not a smoking gun level proof I know, but why are a medical body are not recommending it while there's still a low risk of serious disease for kids? We know there are (small) risks with vaccines, right? No one's disputing that now are they?

I like how you're now using what a medical body has recommended as evidence when in literally your previous post you were denigrating the fact that it is not evidence.

There is absolutely no detail in what you've linked about what they based their decision on. It insinuates it's based on how many kids had "severe disease". As I stated at the time - and as that study I've linked looked at - what we always should have been looking at for kids is post-covid complications like MIS-C/PIMS-TS because that is what makes kids who have had covid sick, not the covid infection itself.

[Yevrah]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666776222001065?via%3Dihub

Published in the Lancet a few months ago.

That study is not ultimate proof, but it's just to show that it is absolutely not established fact that the risks of the Covid vaccine outweigh the benefits for children as you are trying to sneak through.



The rates of MIS-C and myocarditis were calculated as 1.5 and 12.6 per million doses of vaccine respectively. In comparison, the rate of MIS-C after natural infection was 113.3 per million SARS-CoV-2 infections.

How is this comparison factoring in the impact of COVID complications from your child being in a risk group? I've always said that everyone who is in a risk group should have a vaccine and there are a lot of fat kids in the World. If your child is healthy (as my nephew and niece are and I assume Spikey's offspring are), where's the comparison of their risk of having the vaccine vs. not?

[Yevrah]

Although I do accept that implying the risk reward ratio as fact was poor form.

[Ben]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666776222001065?via%3Dihub

Published in the Lancet a few months ago.





That study is not ultimate proof, but it's just to show that it is absolutely not established fact that the risks of the Covid vaccine outweigh the benefits for children as you are trying to sneak through.

Not trying to take a side but that clearly states the benefits are outweighing risks in 12-17 year olds. I imagine most of the conflicted parents are thinking more about toddlers.

[randomlegend]

Which is why I said I wasn't presenting it as proof you should definitely get your kid vaccinated, rather as proof that it is far from established fact at this point that the risk definitely outweighs the benefit.

[randomlegend]

How is this comparison factoring in the impact of COVID complications from your child being in a risk group? I've always said that everyone who is in a risk group should have a vaccine and there are a lot of fat kids in the World. If your child is healthy (as my nephew and niece are and I assume Spikey's offspring are), where's the comparison of their risk of having the vaccine vs. not?

Previously fit and well kids have the same risk of developing the condition as those in at risk categories. Obviously a child with severe comorbidities has a higher risk of needing the highest levels of care just because they have less reserves, but even otherwise well kids can be very fucking sick. The ones we sent to PICU were all slim kids with no previous significant illness, apart from one who was overweight but with no other significant illness.

Interestingly, immunosuppressed kids (like those with cancer having chemo) who would obviously be considered "at risk" are probably at lower risk of PIMS-TS because it's essentially caused by an excessive immune response.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Any other alpha's, such as myself, still not had it?
I don't think I have.

I was sick a couple of weeks ago and tested negative. Been sick again this week but I haven't tested. Mum has also been sick and she tested negative.

Symptoms are similar to what I get when I've got the flu though.

[Spikey M]

Are you still banging on about that cold?

[Pepe]

I don't have a 100 page study to link to (I think Pepe linked to something earlier in the thread, which is how it's in my mind). Pepe?

You might be referring to this: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4125239

Which does not talk about kids specifically, but about everyone.


Combined, the mRNA vaccines were associated with an absolute risk increase of serious adverse events of special interest of 12.5 per 10,000 (95% CI 2.1 to 22.9). The excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest surpassed the risk reduction for COVID-19 hospitalization relative to the placebo group in both Pfizer and Moderna trials (2.3 and 6.4 per 10,000 participants, respectively).

[Pepe]

I have yet to get Covid, that I know of at least. The worst I've felt in the past three years or so was the day after I took my first dose of the vaccine, which gave me a very mild fever that lasted for a few hours. Don't take this as me suggesting that the vaccine does not work or anything.

[randomlegend]

You might be referring to this: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4125239

Which does not talk about kids specifically, but about everyone.

https://i.imgur.com/QBxq4A1.jpg

Those 95% confidence intervals though.

[Jimmy Floyd]

What a nostalgic throwback discussion this is. Anyone have any thoughts on a No Deal Brexit?

[Kikó]

Never going to happen.

[phonics]

I see Yevrahs quoted me and I’m not sure there’s a single sentence I said in there that’s incorrect?

[Yevrah]

The reason to get it is because there’s literally absolutely no reason not to. That’s why the only response at this point is ‘Fucking nutters’.

Let's go for this one.

[Pepe]

Those 95% confidence intervals though.

Not sure what your point is. The potential effects of the vaccine, whether positive or negative, seem so fucking small that I think that it is very hard to say at this point that it was a worthwhile investment. I guess you can say that it was worthwhile to promote the technology, which hopefully will be used for more effective vaccines in the future.

[phonics]

Let's go for this one.

Yeah what’s the reason not to.

[Giggles]

Yeah what’s the reason not to.

As far as I've seen it's 1% concern for your health and 99% defiance.

[Pepe]

Call it 98% to 2% and we got a deal.

[randomlegend]

Not sure what your point is. The potential effects of the vaccine, whether positive or negative, seem so fucking small that I think that it is very hard to say at this point that it was a worthwhile investment. I guess you can say that it was worthwhile to promote the technology, which hopefully will be used for more effective vaccines in the future.

The entire point the paper you posted is trying to make is that the vaccine causes more serious adverse events than it prevents serious covid cases.

Once you look at their 95% confidence intervals (which they conveniently leave out of the body of the paper and are only visible hidden away in a table in an appendix) you realise they have zero credible evidence to make that claim.

Edit: I lied about it not being in the body, I misremembered and the paper wouldn't open to check.

[Pepe]

It is not in an appendix. It is table 2 in the article (full version here: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X22010283). I have no interest in defending that or any article that I did not write myself. If you think that their study is shit, then so be it. I just posted it because Yevrah asked. Also, fwiw, the authors of that article seem to only advocate for risk-benefit analysis should be considered when choosing policies. Do you disagree with that?


Rational policy formation should consider potential harms alongside potential benefits. [29] To illustrate this need in the present context, we conducted a simple harm-benefit comparison using the trial data comparing excess risk of serious AESI against reductions in COVID-19 hospitalization. We found excess risk of serious AESIs to exceed the reduction in COVID-19 hospitalizations in both Pfizer and Moderna trials.


Full transparency of the COVID-19 vaccine clinical trial data is needed to properly evaluate these questions. Unfortunately, as we approach 2 years after release of COVID-19 vaccines, participant level data remain inaccessible.

[Lewis]

If I had my time again I would never have been vaccinated. I'm not sat here worrying about side effects or anything, but just because fuck them.

[Spikey M]

Same to be honest. I wouldn't bother if offered again.

[Yevrah]

If I had my time again I would never have been vaccinated. I'm not sat here worrying about side effects or anything, but just because fuck them.

Why fuck them?

And I would have it again and may have a booster if offered. I had COVID after I'd been vaccinated and it wasn't very pleasant (no breathing problems but felt like shit for two days). I'll never know what it would have been like had I not been vaccinated, but it could have been far worse so I wouldn't take that risk.

Had I not been vaccinated, caught it and been fine, I'd have never bothered getting one. And there's your reason not to have one Phonics.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

My smell and taste seems to have dulled quite a bit in the last hour. I guess I've had it since Monday, bit shit that I'm seemingly going to lose smell and taste when it feels like I'm almost over the illness.

[Magic]

Shame you won't lose your weight.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Seething it's not a symptom.

[Spikey M]

Was when we alI had it and had to isolate for about 3 weeks.

[Dave.]

If I had my time again I would never have been vaccinated. I'm not sat here worrying about side effects or anything, but just because fuck them.

Who is this "them" that you'd like to fuck?

[Shindig]

Hindsight doesn't come into it. I took the jab because we had no idea what this virus would do to the people I cared about. Having never tested positive (same goes for the old folks), I still don't know.

[Giggles]

Hindsight doesn't come into it. I took the jab because we had no idea what this virus would do to the people I cared about. Having never tested positive (same goes for the old folks), I still don't know.

It was the right thing to do and never let a crank tell you otherwise.

[Kikó]

Loads of survival bias on show.

[Manc]

I only got the vaccine to secure the holiday of a lifetime. Never again.

[Spikey M]

Hindsight doesn't come into it. I took the jab because we had no idea what this virus would do to the people I cared about. Having never tested positive (same goes for the old folks), I still don't know.

If / when they develop a vaccine that stops transmission I would have it. Until then, I've had 3 of the cunts and still caught it. So what ev's.

[Pepe]

I'll claim an e-victory since I never gave my employer evidence of having gotten the vaccine, even though it was MANDATORY. I know one person who got fired for not getting it. :harold:

[Magic]

Hindsight doesn't come into it. I took the jab because we had no idea what this virus would do to the people I cared about. Having never tested positive (same goes for the old folks), I still don't know.

We did, you're just a massive cuck.

[Shindig]

Mate, you were actually cucked.

[Spikey M]

:D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Mate, you were actually cucked.

:D

[Magic]

At least I'm not jabbed (but you're wife was etc)

[randomlegend]

What have you gained from not being jabbed? Aside from no sense of taste and lung damage, I mean.

[Giggles]

What have you gained from not being jabbed? Aside from no sense of taste and lung damage, I mean.

The ability to act the big man here. Some trade-off.

[wullie]

I'd have my booster if it's offered. Love a freebie.

[Dave.]

I'll have a further jab if offered. It will help prevent from becoming ill from COVID. It's ability to stop the spread of COVID has always been disputed but it'd effectiveness against serious illness or worse isn't in doubt.

[phonics]

Why fuck them?

And I would have it again and may have a booster if offered. I had COVID after I'd been vaccinated and it wasn't very pleasant (no breathing problems but felt like shit for two days). I'll never know what it would have been like had I not been vaccinated, but it could have been far worse so I wouldn't take that risk.

Had I not been vaccinated, caught it and been fine, I'd have never bothered getting one. And there's your reason not to have one Phonics.

"If something imaginary happened it would have been a fantastic argument against you, checkmate."

[Magic]

What have you gained from not being jabbed? Aside from no sense of taste and lung damage, I mean.

The moral high ground.

[Pepe]

it'd effectiveness against serious illness or worse isn't in doubt.

That is also in doubt. Studies show extremely small effects.

[Dave.]

That is also in doubt. Studies show extremely small effects.

Really? If we didn't have vaccines at all then there would be millions more deaths worldwide.

[Giggles]

Really? If we didn't have vaccines at all then there would be millions more deaths worldwide.

That is, of course, the case. But it’s so easy for cranks now to say it wouldn’t have mattered, they could say anything they wanted now that it’s in the past. That’s what fits the agenda now - you’ve some cunt had to sit indoors for a couple of weekends still with a vendetta.

[Shindig]

I'm going to guess the studies are struggling to come up with a solid conclusion because there's so many moving goalposts. Namely the strain of the virus potentially getting weaker, prior infections granting immunity, etc. Although it also depends who's paying for the study.

[randomlegend]

That is also in doubt. Studies show extremely small effects.

Post the studies.

[-james-]

I got a letter through with my booster appointment today. Might get it.

[Pepe]

Post the studies.

I am not in front of a proper computer, so I will instead admit that I am wrong and that clinical trials have provided irrefutable evidence that the vaccines have saved millions of lives.

[Lewis]

*looks over glasses*
'.....'
*smugly pushes glasses back with one finger*

[Ben]

I got a letter through with my booster appointment today. Might get it.

I still get the occasional text message or email about getting the original booster. It'll be our one year anniversary on that shortly.

[7om]

I am not in front of a proper computer, so I will instead admit that I am wrong and that clinical trials have provided irrefutable evidence that the vaccines have saved millions of lives.

I think it can be both. The first generation vaccines don’t perform anywhere near as well against the newer variants but their initial efficacy did save millions of lives. There have been a few modelling studies published that looked at lives saved.

[Magic]

Really? If we didn't have vaccines at all then there would be millions more deaths worldwide.

Amazing people still believe this. Can't wait for the eventual realisation that it did more harm than good.

[7om]

Amazing people still believe this. Can't wait for the eventual realisation that it did more harm than good.

For that to be true, you’d have to have millions of people dropping dead with vaccine-related causes. Will that happen?

[Yevrah]

"If something imaginary happened it would have been a fantastic argument against you, checkmate."

That’s not happened, to anyone? Of course not. As you were, keep doubling down.

[Shindig]

Amazing people still believe this. Can't wait for the eventual realisation that it did more harm than good.

Why are you anticipating that? You have no personal stakes in this. "Yay, there's no effective treatment against this virus I'm not particularly good at fighting!" is not a thing to get your hopes up for.

If the vaccines weren't effective, surely we'd have gone back to pre-lockdown case/hospital levels after each wave? For a virus with no seasonal attributes, we've got to the land of diminishing returns pretty quick.

[Magic]

For that to be true, you’d have to have millions of people dropping dead with vaccine-related causes. Will that happen?

It's happening now.

[randomlegend]

It's happening now.

Lol

[Kikó]

People who had the vaccine are dying every day. No one died before.

[Spikey M]

The majority of people that die have been vaccinated against Covid. FACT.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The loss of smell (almost completely gone now, I really have to focus and breathe stuff in deep to get the smell) and taste is brutal.

Fuck knows how Taz has managed to keep sane this whole time.

[Giggles]

The loss of smell (almost completely gone now, I really have to focus and breathe stuff in deep to get the smell) and taste is brutal.

Fuck knows how Taz has managed to keep sane this whole time.

He has?

[Giggles]

The majority of people that die have been vaccinated against Covid. FACT.

100% of people will experience death in their lifetimes. #hardfax

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

He has?

By his standards.

[Spikey M]

100% of people will experience death in their lifetimes. #hardfax

Yeah, but that's because of Contrails.

[Dquincy]

I would like to publicly apologise to Dquincy

:D Don't sweat it pal.

As Denzel once said, if you don't read the news, you're uninformed. And if you do read the news, you're misinformed. Fucked if you and fucked if you don't.

P.s. It's interesting how over the last 3 pages people have steered away from Yev's original point that the public were told to take the jab because it stopped or reduced transmission. That's a big deal. The absolute shaming and guilt tripping that was going on back then was scandalous (in hindsight).

P.p.s. In the spirit of transparency, I only got the first jab and never bothered after that. My wife isn't jabbed and neither are our kids.

[Dave.]

I still don't understand the position of not having the jab because the powers that be lied about it stopping and reducing transmission. Having the jab/not having the jab is (and always been for me anyway) a personal health issue. I'm 37, considerably overweight and asthmatic so it makes sense for me to get it. The vast majority on here are over 30 and as noted by Spikey M I think a page or so back (apologies if it wasn't you), it still makes sense for this age group to have the jab if you consider the risks.

Obviously giving it to children is and always has been bizarre unless they are extremely vulnerable.

[Don]

A personal health issue, you say?

[Magic]

Add Dave. to "the list" Tazman.

[Dave.]

Add Dave. to "the list" Tazman.

I must admit that it's an honour and a privilege to be on "the list". Thank you.:thbup:

[Dave.]

A personal health issue, you say?

Maybe not the best way of expressing it, admittedly. It's all about analysing the risks. The younger a person is the more likely they are to die of complications from the jab than of COVID itself for example. Whereas for someone in an at risk group or an older person, it's the other way round.

[Spikey M]

Ffs, RL is going to go PIMS o'clock again now.

[randomlegend]

I can't be arsed.

[Pepe]

*looks over glasses*
'.....'
*smugly pushes glasses back with one finger*

[Spikey M]

:D

[randomlegend]

I don't wear glasses.

[7om]

The younger a person is the more likely they are to die of complications from the jab than of COVID itself for example.

This isn’t accurate. There is not a chance in hell that the MHRA would license a product where the risk outweighed the benefit.

[Kikó]

Maybe not the best way of expressing it, admittedly. It's all about analysing the risks. The younger a person is the more likely they are to die of complications from the jab than of COVID itself for example.Whereas for someone in an at risk group or an older person, it's the other way round.

No they're not.

[Yevrah]

The answer to that statement appears to be (unlike other age groups) we just don’t know. As far as healthy people are concerned anyway.

[Kikó]

We do know though.

[Yevrah]

Go on then, let’s have the 100 pager…

[Don]

Dr Ki[rilen]ko from deep...

[niko_cee]

Have any 'younger people' actually died from having the jab? Presumably some young people [fatties] have perished from the actual illness.

Aren't even the negative side effects [myocarditis or whatever it is called] more likely to be suffered as a consequence of having covid than as a consequence of the jab?

[Kikó]

Post your 100 pager Niko.

[7om]

When people like the MHRA decide whether to approve or not, they’re not just looking at deaths. If you take 5-12 age bracket you’re also looking at time off school, length of illness, side effects of Covid vs Covid vaccine etc.

I don’t have access to the numbers but let’s say a Covid vaccine reduces symptomatic Covid in school children from 5 days to 3 days. A 40% reduction in morbidity would be a massive “benefit”, for example.

People jump to death and the myocarditis bollocks but there’s a lot more to the decision making process.

[Spikey M]

That's not even close to 100 pages ffs.

[Pepe]

7cience.

[niko_cee]

We could have had a £100m contract from the government in some sort of advisory capacity had we had that name 2 years ago.

[Ben]

Have any 'younger people' actually died from having the jab? Presumably some young people [fatties] have perished from the actual illness.

Aren't even the negative side effects [myocarditis or whatever it is called] more likely to be suffered as a consequence of having covid than as a consequence of the jab?

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions

It's here. 2,222 total deaths attributed to vaccines. Higher than I thought.

There's no age breakdown but you've got to imagine at least some will be young.

[Shindig]

I dunno, those numbers probably track when you consider the sheer size of the rollout.

[Spikey M]

How many of those deaths were actually just car crash victims within 28 days of a positive vaccine? :o

[phonics]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions

It's here. 2,222 total deaths attributed to vaccines. Higher than I thought.

There's no age breakdown but you've got to imagine at least some will be young.

2,222 out of 151 million?

[Ben]

2,222 out of 151 million?

Well, 2,222 out of 67 million. A person can't die multiple times.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Well, 2,222 out of 67 million. A person can't die multiple times.

100 page study please. I don't believe you.

[phonics]

Well, 2,222 out of 67 million. A person can't die multiple times.

Ah whoops. Google’s big number was Doses not people. Still not exactly a rock solid case.

[Ben]

I wasn't making a case for anything. Someone asked about numbers so I linked it.

[randomlegend]

Well, 2,222 out of 67 million. A person can't die multiple times.

No, but if they are given multiple doses of the vaccine they have multiple opportunities to die from it.

[Ben]

Not if they die the first effort. And I'm no expert but I reckon the majority of deaths happen on the first go. If you're allergic or whatever, it's probably going to rear its head early doors.

[randomlegend]

Not if they die the first effort. And I'm no expert but I reckon the majority of deaths happen on the first go. If you're allergic or whatever, it's probably going to rear its head early doors.

If they die from the first one they won't be given multiple doses.

It's quite common to be sensitised by your first exposure to an allergen and then have the big reaction on your second exposure.

[Shindig]

Looking through the breakdowns on Ben's link has me asking the following question:

How the fuck did one poor sod's oesophagus rupture from the injection?

This is genuinely a fun read when you get to vaccination centre related injuries. 11 crushed limbs. :cab:

[Magic]

Probably from sucking dick.

[Dquincy]

I still don't understand the position of not having the jab because the powers that be lied about it stopping and reducing transmission. Having the jab/not having the jab is (and always been for me anyway) a personal health issue. I'm 37, considerably overweight and asthmatic so it makes sense for me to get it. The vast majority on here are over 30 and as noted by Spikey M I think a page or so back (apologies if it wasn't you), it still makes sense for this age group to have the jab if you consider the risks.

Obviously giving it to children is and always has been bizarre unless they are extremely vulnerable.

I'm 39, I've chosen not to have the jab (after the first one) because I'm rather good looking. There was a peer review review on this.

[Dquincy]

Have any 'younger people' actually died from having the jab? Presumably some young people [fatties] have perished from the actual illness.

Aren't even the negative side effects [myocarditis or whatever it is called] more likely to be suffered as a consequence of having covid than as a consequence of the jab?

August this year was the highest death rate on record, or something to that effect I dunno.

[niko_cee]

Do we still have the NEW VARIANT KLAXON in operation?

XBB in the house.

We still have a bit of wet blanket testing going on here, but for the most part hasn't this been broadly forgotten/accepted by everyone at this point in time? Is there still a mass vaccination programme in action? I've not received any sort of booster recommendation.

[Dave.]

This isn’t accurate. There is not a chance in hell that the MHRA would license a product where the risk outweighed the benefit.


No they're not.

Fair enough. Then why are younger people more reluctant to get the jab then? And why are parents reluctant for their children to get the jab?

I thought it was a simple case of assessing the risks and making a decision based on that. Of course, I'm willing to admit I'm wrong if I'm wrong. Unlike some idiots in these parts...

[Shindig]

XBB in the house.


Xbox Box. Just in time for Christmas.

[niko_cee]

Fair enough. Then why are younger people more reluctant to get the jab then? And why are parents reluctant for their children to get the jab?

I thought it was a simple case of assessing the risks and making a decision based on that. Of course, I'm willing to admit I'm wrong if I'm wrong. Unlike some idiots in these parts...

I wouldn't say I am reluctant. I haven't got my kids jabbed mostly as there is no incentive to do so, and having an injection for a kid is not a particularly pleasant experience. So absent a material benefit to them, be that through some health benefit [doesn't seem to have been established] or other practical benefit [ie be allowed to travel, go to school etc] I don't really see the point.

[Shindig]

To me, the jab rollout was all about getting a baseline immunity in across the populous. I think that did it's job because no strain at the time had the spread to match it. And if I had kids, I wouldn't be vaccinating them. By the time they're old enough to make that decision for themselves, it might not even be necessary.

[Magic]

No it wasn't about that, it was about restricting freedoms for non-compliance.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The loss of smell (almost completely gone now, I really have to focus and breathe stuff in deep to get the smell) and taste is brutal.

Fuck knows how Taz has managed to keep sane this whole time.

Taste and smell started coming back a lot by Monday and it now seems to be back to normal.

Should have got the Vaccine, Taz.

[Magic]

Mine is still fucked. I can smell and taste but it's all wrong and limited to about 6 different types.

[randomlegend]

:lol:

[Dave.]

Mine is still fucked. I can smell and taste but it's all wrong and limited to about 6 different types.

Proves a point doesn't it?

[Yevrah]

Magic, please get the vaccine. This thing is going to kill you.

[Don]

Glad to report I'm back somewhere around 80-100% but I'm also glad the fatties weren't deprived of their sole pursuit in life for long.

[Magic]

Magic, please get the vaccine. This thing is going to kill you.

I've only had it once, and have been a picture of health since then. Whilst all you vaxx-twinks are dropping like flies every 5 minutes with RE-INFECTIONS.

Pathetic.

[Ben]

I've never been infected. Or if I have I didn't have any symptoms. That pesky vaccine.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I've only had it once, and have been a picture of health since then. Whilst all you vaxx-twinks are dropping like flies every 5 minutes with RE-INFECTIONS.

Pathetic.

I've only had it once.

[Dquincy]

Dont know who this fella is, but he's making some bold statements about the vaccine.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cj381rcrqKR/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

[Dave.]

I've only had it once, and have been a picture of health since then. Whilst all you vaxx-twinks are dropping like flies every 5 minutes with RE-INFECTIONS.

Pathetic.

Your sense of taste and smell been "fucked" and "all wrong and limited to about six different types" does not equate to a "picture of health".:lol:

The fact of the matter is that you chose a bizarre political agenda over your own health and you are now paying the penalty for this.

[Dave.]

I've only had it once.

Same.

And I'm a fat bastard with asthma and had virtually no symptoms whatsoever. The vaccines did their job.

[Magic]

Your sense of taste and smell been "fucked" and "all wrong and limited to about six different types" does not equate to a "picture of health".:lol:

The fact of the matter is that you chose a bizarre political agenda over your own health and you are now paying the penalty for this.

Having a warped sense of smell and taste isn't unhealthy. Being an asthmatic, fat, sweaty 37 year old fuck is.