Coronavirus Death Thread

[Spikey M]

First pet name too pls

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/026/169/meme_kid.jpg

[Waffdon]

Is that Lewis?

[Kikó]

https://www.facebook.com/1045109665642688/posts/1768528576634123/?vh=e

Some fucking brilliant quotes in here.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Is that Lewis?

Well it's definitely not Spikey, the head is too big.

[Offshore Toon]

That is glorious, Kiko.

[Kikó]

"Adam and Eve lived to 900 odd" is probably my favourite.

[Spikey M]

Well it's definitely not Spikey, the head is too big.

And it ain't Mahow because the hands are too.

[Kikó]

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Shocking new symptoms revealed.

[Yevrah]

https://www.facebook.com/1045109665642688/posts/1768528576634123/?vh=e

Some fucking brilliant quotes in here.

That is utterly terrifying and points towards the internet being the most dangerous thing ever invented.

My Echo chamber is full of rabid liberals who would like Trump assassinated (presumably human rights only apply if you like the person) and the vote removed from anyone over 60 (why stop there? Just euthanise them all, it's cheaper.), so I don't encounter any of the views aired there, ever. But my word, so many stupid people, saying things with no basis in fact whatsoever. If someone were to mobilise them all we'd be bang in trouble.

[Baz]

Looks like a good day out, that video.

[Kikó]

I found out yesterday, my half sister hasn't my nephew any jabs (he's 11 now) and one of her friends hasn't either (dun the reserch). There's a genuine wave of ignorance who think they have found some enlightenment through internet videos.

[Spikey M]

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Shocking new symptoms revealed.

Admittedly I haven't read the article (article may be too kind), but surely autumn is the natural time of year for gravy sales to increase?

[Yevrah]

Indeed Kik's.

It shouldn't even need to be commented on but I'm astounded when you hear things like "the government wants to control us" (I mean, they already do, right?) and "Bill Gates wants to 1,2,?,Profit us all" (while already having more money than God).

The horse has well and truly bolted and I've no idea how you get it back in the stable as a result, but the internet has to be regulated. You simply can't have a platform where anyone can spread moron so easily and completely unchecked.

[mugbull]

Regulation of the internet is exactly what pushes more and more people into conspiracy looneyland. That's not the answer. But I don't really know what is

[Boydy]

We need re-education camps tbh.

[igor_balis]

You simply can't have a platform where anyone can spread moron so easily and completely unchecked.

Yeah, look at this place!!

[niko_cee]

I've got a two-one in science Bill!

:D

In science.

[Spikey M]

I found out yesterday, my half sister hasn't my nephew any jabs (he's 11 now) and one of her friends hasn't either (dun the reserch). There's a genuine wave of ignorance who think they have found some enlightenment through internet videos.

My Mrs got approached by a vaccine nut in the park when she was pregnant with our youngest, she posted on Facebook about it later on and the amount of apparently sane people we know that agreed with said nut job was unreal. It's crazy how widespread it is. Dangerous too.

[Yevrah]

Regulation of the internet is exactly what pushes more and more people into conspiracy looneyland. That's not the answer. But I don't really know what is

I don't agree. We regulate every other form of media and that's regarded universally as a good thing. The stuff those people are seeing is literally reaching an audience in exactly the same way and just as effectively as it would if Huw Edwards was reading it out.

I know we humans like to think we've reached the pinnacle and seen everything as a result and we're all amazed/disgusted at how well Trump/The Russians/Cambridge Analytica have manipulated people on the internet, but what if that's the tip of the iceberg?

[mugbull]

I don't agree. We regulate every other form of media and that's regarded universally as a good thing. The stuff those people are seeing is literally reaching an audience in exactly the same way and just as effectively as it would if Huw Edwards was reading it out.

I know we humans like to think we've reached the pinnacle and seen everything as a result and we're all amazed/disgusted at how well Trump/The Russians/Cambridge Analytica have manipulated people on the internet, but what if that's the tip of the iceberg?

Do you think Twitter censoring (putting warnings on) Trump's tweets about the election is a good idea? How about them suspending the accounts of retard conservative bloggers?

[Yevrah]

My Mrs got approached by a vaccine nut in the park when she was pregnant with our youngest, she posted on Facebook about it later on and the amount of apparently sane people we know that agreed with said nut job was unreal. It's crazy how widespread it is. Dangerous too.

On the balance of probabilities (quite comfortably on the balance I should add) I'd vaccinate all my kids if I had any, but there will absolutely be things we're doing today that in decades to come we'll release were a bad idea. A vaccine may fall into that camp.

Now we've seemingly found one for COVID it'll be interesting to see what the uptake is, I would imagine it'll struggle to hit 50%.

[Kikó]

I think there's definitely a difference between written comment and videos which are then linked by sophisticated algorithms pushing people down rabbit holes - that element needs some sort of regulation/control.

[Yevrah]

Do you think Twitter censoring (putting warnings on) Trump's tweets about the election is a good idea? How about them suspending the accounts of retard conservative bloggers?

The first thing I'd do with Twitter is remove the anonymity from it. But to answer your question, I do, yes. You can't have people making claims without evidence (I see now he's claiming a role in the vaccine) that are then seen and believed by millions of people.

I wouldn't ban him or the conservative bloggers as they'll just use the rest of the internet to make their case and play the martyr, but making his page more atrocious to read than Twitter already is strikes me as decent halfway house.

[Lewis]

This stuff about kids regressing to nappies and forgetting how to use forks and knives gives another perspective to the school meals business. A lot of parents are just mongs.

[niko_cee]

Now we've seemingly found one for COVID it'll be interesting to see what the uptake is, I would imagine it'll struggle to hit 50%.

The Seasonal flu jab hit 75% in the target audience last year (over 65s), I'd imagine a covid one would be doing at least 95% in that group, and among the at risk as well. Maybe not in the wider population, but even then, the uptake would be massive. There are nutters, but they are a very vocal minority and I think, when push comes to shove and maybe certain 'rights' (ie travel) are withheld from the non-vaccinated you'll see the resistance melt away.

[mugbull]

The first thing I'd do with Twitter is remove the anonymity from it. But to answer your question, I do, yes. You can't have people making claims without evidence (I see now he's claiming a role in the vaccine) that are then seen and believed by millions of people.

I wouldn't ban him or the conservative bloggers as they'll just use the rest of the internet to make their case and play the martyr, but making his page more atrocious to read than Twitter already is strikes me as decent halfway house.

So you'd remove tweets from users that make claims without supporting evidence? Might as well shut yourself down at that point if you're Twitter. Or do you only just remove tweets from certain people? And how do you judge whether something is valid or not?

I detest "conservative" thought wherever it metastasizes, but even I can see they're applying a different standard of irrelevance/falsehood/proof to left Twitter than to right Twitter. That's a genuine grievance imo, and it's exactly what fuels these idiots like Joe Rogan to dabble in the conspiracy world

[Lewis]

If you wanted to do something about internet bullshit you would just ban people. I'm against it as a general rule, but the fact is that most people aren't capable or willing to look beyond most widely-available sites for this stuff, so if it isn't easy to access then they won't access it. When did you last hear anything from or about Milo Yiannopoulos? He was absolutely massive, but when he got punted off Twitter he practically disappeared. Censorship works, which is why the 'we need free speech to debate bad ideas' idiots annoy me. You don't actually, so why not try defending it on actual principle you fannies?

[mugbull]

The right-wing crazies don't even get their endorphins from Twitter anymore, there's plenty of other website that cater to their fantasies. You can block people on Twitter but they'll go elsewhere, people will follow, and Twitter will become a left-wing thought bubble not taken seriously by anyone anymore. Great. Do you ban Alex Jones' private website from the internet at that point?

[Yevrah]

So you'd remove tweets from users that make claims without supporting evidence? Might as well shut yourself down at that point if you're Twitter. Or do you only just remove tweets from certain people? And how do you judge whether something is valid or not?

I detest "conservative" thought wherever it metastasizes, but even I can see they're applying a different standard of irrelevance/falsehood/proof to left Twitter than to right Twitter. That's a genuine grievance imo, and it's exactly what fuels these idiots like Joe Rogan to dabble in the conspiracy world

Not saying remove tweets (as I agree that's a bad idea for the reasons you state), but there has to be a way for someone to see that a claim they're reading might not be true. It shouldn't need that and maybe education would be better, but we've tried that and it's obviously not working. They touch on it in that otherwise awful documentary about social media on Netflix, but Facebook was seemingly used to facilitate genocide. I mean, if that isn't enough to show that there's a huge problem we might as well adopt the US approach to school shootings.

It should also apply to both sides, as agree as well that being political about who you're silencing is moronic.

[Andy]

Tell people they can't go Benidorm without the jab and it'll be far higher than 50%.

[Lewis]

The right-wing crazies don't even get their endorphins from Twitter anymore, there's plenty of other website that cater to their fantasies. You can block people on Twitter but they'll go elsewhere, people will follow, and Twitter will become a left-wing thought bubble not taken seriously by anyone anymore. Great. Do you ban Alex Jones' private website from the internet at that point?

You're right, and you can't ever squash it completely; but the mainstream sites carry ninety per cent of this stuff, and it's only a problem once otherwise 'normal' people start giving it a second look, so getting it all off Facebook would do most of the work.

[Yevrah]

Tell people they can't go Benidorm without the jab and it'll be far higher than 50%.

That probably is the solution, but it plays right into the hands of the nutters. "They won't let me have my freedom unless I have Bill Gates' jizzum in me"

[Jimmy Floyd]

I must admit I'm becoming quite sceptical when it comes to all these polls putting support for lockdown at 75% and whatever when put up against saving the economy. I think people associate 'the economy' with Mr Moneybags and 40 stone big business fat cats smoking cigars. If you asked 'Would you support lockdown if it meant that you personally lost your job' I think results would be very different.

[Baz]

The anti-vax brigade will never be convinced otherwise when people in the positions of Boris Johnson, when questioned about the number of people who will refuse the vaccine, rather than say something like ‘enough scientific evidence and research will be shared in a nationwide campaign etc’ he basically shrugs and says their opinions “hold no water.” And that’s an actual quote from the other afternoon. :face:

[Waffdon]

Tier 3 for Perth and Kinross. No idea how they think it’s remotely bad here but I’m not complaining. Mon the hard lockdown

[Spikey M]

On the balance of probabilities (quite comfortably on the balance I should add) I'd vaccinate all my kids if I had any, but there will absolutely be things we're doing today that in decades to come we'll release were a bad idea. A vaccine may fall into that camp.

Now we've seemingly found one for COVID it'll be interesting to see what the uptake is, I would imagine it'll struggle to hit 50%.

I can't see it being a vaccine. Has a vaccine ever been anything but a massive benefit?

It will be our missuse of Antibiotics. I don't know how we work it or how far we can push it, but we need to start giving infections a chance to heal by themselves and we definitely need to stop giving Antibiotics to dickheads that bowl into their doctors surgery because they've had a cold and their cough hasn't gone away after a week.

Then there's their use in farming and the fact that you can buy them over thole counter in some countries. It's pretty bleak.

[Baz]

The first thing I'd do with Twitter is remove the anonymity from it. But to answer your question, I do, yes. You can't have people making claims without evidence (I see now he's claiming a role in the vaccine) that are then seen and believed by millions of people.

I wouldn't ban him or the conservative bloggers as they'll just use the rest of the internet to make their case and play the martyr, but making his page more atrocious to read than Twitter already is strikes me as decent halfway house.

There’s a “new” social media platform called Voice that forces you to do a “3D selfie” on registration and it looks like you can’t change your name on it. Although you could sign up as Hulk Hogan, I guess.

(I have 4 invites if anyone wants in. Need your email address.)

[mugbull]

You're right, and you can't ever squash it completely; but the mainstream sites carry ninety per cent of this stuff, and it's only a problem once otherwise 'normal' people start giving it a second look, so getting it all off Facebook would do most of the work.

They're only mainstream as long as enough people across the spectrum are using it. Once a critical mass start using another forum created for their needs, Twitter stops being the only default. That can easily happen and probably will once all the idiots are off the site an they self-organize a bit

[Kikó]

I can't see it being a vaccine. Has a vaccine ever been anything but a massive benefit?

It will be our missuse of Antibiotics. I don't know how we work it or how far we can push it, but we need to start giving infections a chance to heal by themselves and we definitely need to stop giving Antibiotics to dickheads that bowl into their doctors surgery because they've had a cold and their cough hasn't gone away after a week.

Then there's their use in farming and the fact that you can buy them over thole counter in some countries. It's pretty bleak.

Isn't the issue more with the use on the food we eat rather than Linda using antibiotics instead of putting a plaster on?

[Kikó]

They're only mainstream as long as enough people across the spectrum are using it. Once a critical mass start using another forum created for their needs, Twitter stops being the only default. That can easily happen and probably will once all the idiots are off the site an they self-organize a bit

Off to parlour it is!

[Kikó]

The ability to remain anonymous has a positive impact when it comes to reporting events in autocratic regimes. I don't think it's a solution I'd welcome.

[mugbull]

Not saying remove tweets (as I agree that's a bad idea for the reasons you state), but there has to be a way for someone to see that a claim they're reading might not be true. It shouldn't need that and maybe education would be better, but we've tried that and it's obviously not working. They touch on it in that otherwise awful documentary about social media on Netflix, but Facebook was seemingly used to facilitate genocide. I mean, if that isn't enough to show that there's a huge problem we might as well adopt the US approach to school shootings.

It should also apply to both sides, as agree as well that being political about who you're silencing is moronic.

But no one knows how to define truth. There are a few obvious cases (Paris is the capital of Brazil etc) but most everything else is conjecture and educated guesswork. How do any of us really know that anything that happens in Washington actually happens the way we're told it does? We all put faith in someone or something. Most people are confident, for instance, that Assad used chemical weapons against his civilians. Plenty of people dispute that. How the fuck is Twitter supposed to be certain enough about what happened in bumfuck Syria to censor someone's claim to the contrary?

Some things are fairly easy for most people to take a leap of faith to believe are true, like that this election wasn't rigged. But if you start applying that to other subjects, you're going to have to apply it arbitrarily based on whatever the committee of censors believes to be true. I'm sure there are claims that you think are obviously false that I don't, and vice versa. There's even more dissonance between me and someone like Lewis. But we're all supposed to band together (as the renegade troupe for the protection of the TRUTH!!) in support of a company telling us what's wrong and what's not? No chance

[Spikey M]

Isn't the issue more with the use on the food we eat rather than Linda using antibiotics instead of putting a plaster on?

It's all of the above I believe. It's crazy that it's not being treated as a bigger problem though. A return to people routinely dying from stomach bugs is a real and uncomfortably close scenario.

[Yevrah]

But no one knows how to define truth. There are a few obvious cases (Paris is the capital of Brazil etc) but most everything else is conjecture and educated guesswork. How do any of us really know that anything that happens in Washington actually happens the way we're told it does? We all put faith in someone or something. Most people are confident, for instance, that Assad used chemical weapons against his civilians. Plenty of people dispute that. How the fuck is Twitter supposed to be certain enough about what happened in bumfuck Syria to censor someone's claim to the contrary?

Some things are fairly easy for most people to take a leap of faith to believe are true, like that this election wasn't rigged. But if you start applying that to other subjects, you're going to have to apply it arbitrarily based on whatever the committee of censors believes to be true. I'm sure there are claims that you think are obviously false that I don't, and vice versa. There's even more dissonance between me and someone like Lewis. But we're all supposed to band together (as the renegade troupe for the protection of the TRUTH!!) in support of a company telling us what's wrong and what's not? No chance

Reading that (which makes points that drive a bus through mine) I'm struggling to see how it would work, but then how does it work in other media? Is it the case that if you don't have regulation when something is in its infancy, you never can?

[Yevrah]

It's all of the above I believe. It's crazy that it's not being treated as a bigger problem though. A return to people routinely dying from stomach bugs is a real and uncomfortably close scenario.

Is this because our bodies are becoming more and more resistant to antibiotics?

[randomlegend]

Isn't the issue more with the use on the food we eat rather than Linda using antibiotics instead of putting a plaster on?

It's very much both.

[Boydy]

Is this because our bodies are becoming more and more resistant to antibiotics?

It's not our bodies, it's the bacteria that the antibiotics are meant to kill.

[Yevrah]

It's not our bodies, it's the bacteria that the antibiotics are meant to kill.

This sort of shit?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-46809526

Luverly.

[randomlegend]

Is this because our bodies are becoming more and more resistant to antibiotics?

No. People don't become antibiotic resistant. Bacteria become antibiotic resistant.

It's difficult to explain well, but basically if you constantly expose bacteria to the antibiotics we have, you select for the ones which have mutations which confer some degree of resistance (by killing off the ones which don't). Over time those strains can become completely resistant to certain antibiotics or classes of antibiotics. Eventually you can create bacteria which are not susceptible to any of the antibiotics we have. There are strains of TB which are getting to that point.

[Kikó]

It's very much both.

Fair enough Doc.

[Spikey M]

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'Drop the charges and the vaccine job is yours'.

[Kikó]

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:|

[Spikey M]

The inquiry after all this is going to make the Iraq Inquiry look like a nice little chat.

[Giggles]

I think this is skipping a few pages but I’ll definitely get vaccinated as soon as I possibly can. Can’t see any reason not to.

[Boydy]

I'd like to see ol' Dom Cummings wriggle his way out of THIS jam.

*Cummings wriggles his way out of the jam easily*

Ah. Well. Nevertheless,

[Yevrah]

No need to wriggle these days. Just ride the storm and another target will be found within days.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'd like to see ol' Dom Cummings wriggle his way out of THIS jam.

*Cummings wriggles his way out of the jam easily*

Ah. Well. Nevertheless,

Can probably keep running with the Trump version as well, tbh.

[Spikey M]

532 Don

[Don]

Delaying it for a primetime evening slot, that's so box office.

[Lofty]

Saw an article on facebook about Piers Morgan ranting against anti-vaxxers on tv this morning, the vast majority of comments slagging him (fair enough) and expressing anti-vax sentiment. Maybe we should release the nasty ones back into the wild as a darwinian check and balance.

[Manc]

Do we have any anti-vaxxers in our midst? Magic seems the type.

[Spikey M]

It would have been Kiko in the good old days, but he's been whipped into shape by his better half.

[Offshore Toon]

I wonder what percentage of anti-vaxxers are just scared of needles and don't want to admit it.

[niko_cee]

Seeing as they're not usually the ones having (or not having) the vaccine(s) my guess would be not many.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'm scared of needles but I'm not an anti-vaxxer.

[Offshore Toon]

I can't imagine it's many, but I'd still like the data.

[Spikey M]

That would be some survey.

"Sir, are you opposed to Vaccines on:

A) safety grounds?
B) ethical grounds?
C) because you're a fassy little bitch?
D) all of the above?"

[Kikó]

It would have been Kiko in the good old days, but he's been whipped into shape by his better half.

I gave up the whole conspiracy phase a long time before that.

[Spikey M]

595 today. Higher than Taz's Tuesday special.

[Queenslander]

In this part of the world anti vaxxers are like the woo woo crystal communities for the most part. Anti vax is just another grift where the idiots are always buying anti vax alternarives eg lifestyle books and alternative therapies etc

There have been the odd dog brain instagramer who claim they cured there own cancer as well and overlap into the anti vax world to also grift.

[Spikey M]

In this part of the world anti vaxxers are like the woo woo crystal communities for the most part. Anti vax is just another grift where the idiots are always buying anti vax alternarives eg lifestyle books and alternative therapies etc

There have been the odd dog brain instagramer who claim they cured there own cancer as well and overlap into the anti vax world to also grift.

I would say the same here for the most part. As someone else said, they're just an extremely loud minority. That said, it remains more common than I'm comfortable with.

[Queenslander]

I would say the same here for the most part. As someone else said, they're just an extremely loud minority. That said, it remains more common than I'm comfortable with.

Nothing shuts me down faster these days than having someone molest me with anti vax propaganda.

Ive even met a few dog anti vaxxers.

[niko_cee]

In fairness to the dogs they probably don't really understand the concept of, or benefits to be derived from a vaccine.

In other dog news I read the other day (although the thing it came from was quite old) that having a dog is really bad for the environment.

[Yevrah]

Living (the way we currently do) is really bad for the environment.

Fundamental change is needed if we actually want to sort it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Whenever anyone mentions 'fundamental change' in an environmental or equality-based context, my mind goes straight to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide

Otherwise known as 'Boydy takes the reins'

[Spikey M]

Heil Boydy.

[Offshore Toon]

In fairness to the dogs they probably don't really understand the concept of, or benefits to be derived from a vaccine.

In other dog news I read the other day (although the thing it came from was quite old) that having a dog is really bad for the environment.
It isn't vegan either. :dc:

[Boydy]

Whenever anyone mentions 'fundamental change' in an environmental or equality-based context, my mind goes straight to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide

Otherwise known as 'Boydy takes the reins'
I said you'd be better at running the country than Boris Johnson and now you're calling me Pol Pot? Mean.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's been an awkward initial exchange of compliments, sure, but I'm sure we'll be smooching in the kitchen before long.

[Waffdon]

33k cases in one day :drool:

[Shindig]

That'll be the Liverpool cases starting to hit. I err... hope.

[Magic]

But deaths still boringly low. Funny how we were posting 12k cases then it's pretty much been 20k every day since then on 1st October but deaths are still shite.

[Manc]

deaths are still shite.

You need locking up.

[ScousePig]

Deaths haven't been announced today, have they?

[Shindig]

Data problems. We're really shit at it.

[John Arne]

Lotus 1-2-3 only has 256 columns.

[Spikey M]

https://news.sky.com/story/bird-flu-third-outbreak-detected-in-england-cull-begins-and-control-zones-in-place-12130209

Good news everyone.

[Queenslander]

Awkward.

[Serj]

Random update from Austria: Our current (biweekly?) infection rate is apparently one of the highest in the world - no surprise, judging from the behavior I see in Vienna. A good chunk of people just doesn't care, or finds it hard to properly adjust their behavior.

We've already been in "soft" lockdown for two weeks (gastronomy shut down except for takeout), and are going into hard lockdown from Tuesday onwards: only "essential" shops stay open, schools are closing as well. The rest of November is going to be pretty grim. They're desperate to get the number of infections down fast because Christmas season is quite big here for the economy, but I'm not sure how realistic it is to aim for a Christmas period that is in any way comparable to normal.

My dad has got it, but seems to be mostly alright. High fever, bouts of sweating, loss of appetite, but apparently no big respiratory problems, and he's past the worst part of it.

[Lewis]

As for his tweets, my guess would be a woman is writing them. They read like a whiny female activist trying not to write like a whiny female activist.

'Ok, so let's address this' (https://twitter.com/MarcusRashford/status/1327953417508163584) absolutely, one-hundred per cent confirms that a whinging woman is behind the account now. Expect 'him' to be 'calling people out' by the end of the month as we build up to festive complaints about pink Lego.

Good for him investing his money wisely by the way.

[Don]

I'm afraid this is why you can't fucking keep harping on about child hunger being that big of a deal Marcus, you disgustingly mediocre piece of shit. Your hideously inflated and unjustified wealth is not mutually exclusive to the problem at hand.

[Don]

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2020/11/nhs-launches-40-long-covid-clinics-to-tackle-persistent-symptoms/

Gonna try get a referral for this as it sounds like a free health check. RL, any idea when's best for me to ring my GP? Should I wait till December?

[Don]

Indeed, when the first lockdown was imposed in March, you could almost hear a collective sigh of relief– and I don’t think it was entirely to do with the virus itself. For many, this was an extremely welcome chance to stop spending, break bad habits, jam a big stick into the spokes of the capitalist carousel and catch our breath for a moment. We – or at least, some of us – wore sweatpants and baked banana bread. Our children drew pictures and climbed trees. We went out for government-mandated walks passing pizza chains that we weren’t spending £32 at and wondered why we ever used to do that. We clapped the NHS and cooked for relatives and noticed the seasons and perhaps even began to imagine a world that was more than a series of cold-blooded calculations. It felt a little like a holiday. A holiday taken in the full knowledge that you left the back door open. But a holiday all the same. It helped that the weather was extremely pleasant.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/nov/15/how-much-have-you-got-breaking-the-taboos-on-money

[Spikey M]

Thats possibly the most Guardian thing ever written.

[Lewis]

And now they can spend it all on extra taxes forever instead. Result.

[Boydy]

Why does Lewis hate women so much

[Giggles]

All that shit can be just written “the weather doesn’t suit us now “.

[Spikey M]

Why does Lewis hate women so much

It's left wing feminists he hates, rather than women, no?

[Spikey M]

All that shit can be just written “the weather doesn’t suit us now “.

Pretty much. Lockdown 1 was pretty good for anyone with a garden, cancelled holidays aside.

[Giggles]

Out to the doorstep full to the gills in the balmy evening sun for a bit of clapping. Fast forward to now and they’d slice a nurses throat for a pint of Stella down the local.

[Lewis]

It's left wing feminists he hates, rather than women, no?

I find the way they all speak/write interesting. And it's a useful thing to know. I was able to stop reading Owen Jones years ago because I've already read everything he will ever write. But yes, give me John McDonnell and his ArmaLite over some 'moderate' woman pecking the national head.

[Waffdon]

Boris self isolating again. How convenient

[Queenslander]

Community outbreak in Adelaide with 17 people testing positive so far.

Being a Liberal Party run state Scummo has told everyone it is just bad luck and we are all in this together.

[Queenslander]

Lol


New Zealand is weeks away from opening up a travel bubble with the Cook Islands, with Australia remaining some while away.


Australia is pursuing a suppression strategy, which involves locking down hotspots where cases reach a certain threshold, but New Zealand's elimination strategy does not allow for the same risk tolerance.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/jacinda-ardern-admits-there-is-little-chance-of-a-full-trans-tasman-travel-bubble-by-christmas

[Don]

I'm hearing Aussie-land are going into lockdown over 25 cases or something. Can we confirm the details before I PM Queensland some ass.

[Queenslander]

Just Adelaide which is 2020kms from where I am sitting atm.

[Lewis]

They're definitely softening us up for this current state to continue into January in return for the prize of a week off at Christmas. Which begs the question, how many deaths is a roast dinner worth?

[Spikey M]

I said that to the Mrs earlier. It's mental.

[Don]

We're already like a 2 minute boiled egg. They've worn us all down with a well-timed international break. I've lost all fight within me. At this point if Boris said we must all rim his crusty anus to protect the country, I'd merely wonder if insertion of tongue into orifice is a requirement. It's over, lads. Scatter my ashes at the entrance to the strip club at Euston, team panic.

[Manc]

Opening up for Christmas is fucking bonkers.

[Spikey M]

A 6 week lockdown to allow 5 days of normality. :happycry:

[Yevrah]

Briefing the public through the media really needs to die in a fire.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They should quite literally cancel Christmas and rearrange it for 15 Feb.

[Disco]

Take over Chinese new year.

[Kikó]

They should quite literally cancel Christmas and rearrange it for 15 Feb.

That's what the forruns want mate. Finally cancelled Christmas.

[Ian]

They're definitely softening us up for this current state to continue into January in return for the prize of a week off at Christmas. Which begs the question, how many deaths is a roast dinner worth?

Depends. How many different types of potato will it include?

[Giggles]

Anything under 3 and it’s no deal.

[Lewis]

People who get well excited about Christmas dinner are dickheads. FACT. It's a roast you neglected cretins, and if you wanted to have one any day of the week you could. There should be covid marshals monitoring the socials for suspiciously generous spreads and kicking doors in like the Gestapo.

[Giggles]

I can’t get the mother to make a full dinner every week.

[Spikey M]

People who get well excited about Christmas dinner are dickheads. FACT. It's a roast you neglected cretins, and if you wanted to have one any day of the week you could. There should be covid marshals monitoring the socials for suspiciously generous spreads and kicking doors in like the Gestapo.

We're at home for the first time in ages this year (unless Boris fucks it up for me and we end up round the inlaws) and we're buying everything pre-prepared so we can cook it all in those baking trays you chuck away. I'd serve it up on paper plates with plastic knives and forks if I could get away with it.

[Baz]

People who get well excited about Christmas dinner are dickheads. FACT. It's a roast you neglected cretins, and if you wanted to have one any day of the week you could.Nah mate. You get the giant octagonal plates out, crack out the KFC gravy and it’s the rare time yer mum does decent sprouts. :drool:

Plus at this rate I won’t have spent any time with her since September.

[randomlegend]

Covid vaccines starting in December where I work.

[Shindig]

Roast potatoes for all!

[Offshore Toon]

Covid vaccines starting in December where I work.
My Nan's care home sent us a letter last week about vaccines early December too.

[Spikey M]

I thought it was still being tested?

[randomlegend]

Being tested on retards like me.

[ScousePig]

People who get well excited about Christmas dinner are dickheads. FACT. It's a roast you neglected cretins, and if you wanted to have one any day of the week you could. There should be covid marshals monitoring the socials for suspiciously generous spreads and kicking doors in like the Gestapo.

And you don't even get a Yorkshire pudding.

[Baz]

And you don't even get a Yorkshire pudding.:cab: I have at least 3.

[Spikey M]

And you don't even get a Yorkshire pudding.

You do in my gaff. I don't give a fuck if there's no beef and anyone that wants a ruck can stick their cranberry sauce up their arses.

[Lewis]

Alright big man.

[Lewis]

Big men.

[Spikey M]

I have mint sauce regardless of there being no lamb as well. :cool:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

You do in my gaff. I don't give a fuck if there's no beef and anyone that wants a ruck can stick their cranberry sauce up their arses.

:cool:

Hero.

[randomlegend]

I have mint sauce regardless of there being no lamb as well. :cool:

Deviant.

[Baz]

I have mint sauce regardless of there being no lamb as well. :cool:Same.

[Spikey M]

Same.

If I remember rightly, you get a keg in as well? You do Christmas right.

[Giggles]

Filling your own keg is how it’s done.

That and no mint sauce on anything ever.

[Baz]

If I remember rightly, you get a keg in as well? You do Christmas right.Indeed. A glorious day.

[ScousePig]

Big men.

Indeed.

Neither of them are even from Yorkshire.

[Spikey M]

Indeed.

Neither of them are even from Yorkshire.

There is no evidence that Yorkshire Puddings are from Yorkshire. :dc:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

And if you want to be traditional regarding Yorkshire puddings then they were used as a starter to the main meal and filled only with gravy.

Bon apetit, dickheads.

[Don]

I take it all back, 2nd day in a row deaths are down from week before. Hospital admissions up but the vix is pushing and the comvergence is diverging so open the clubs, shower us in bread sauce and bring on as many international breaks as you want, you cunts.

[Lewis]

I saw something on the BBC about Scotland moving past five-thousand deaths earlier, which would make them worse hit than England wouldn't it? It's hard to work out precisely, since they release numbers on different schedules, but the article going to great lengths not to make a direct comparison makes me think so.

GIRFUY Scotland.

[Jimmy Floyd]

We should be catapulting the nearly-dead across the border to boost their stats.

[Giggles]

And if you want to be traditional regarding Yorkshire puddings then they were used as a starter to the main meal and filled only with gravy.

Bon apetit, dickheads.

And you went to the dinner on a horse and card and died of the plague at 28. We have perfected its use now.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I agree, by having it with any type of roast meat.

[Pepe]

Things going to hell again over here. I was forced to play football with a mask yesterday. It sucks, as you can imagine.

[Giggles]

I agree, by having it with any type of roast meat.

Definitely. They improve any dinner.

[ScousePig]

Toad in the hole beats any roast.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Simmer down.

[Shindig]

Y'know, he's on the right track. What if we got ourselves a roast and trapped it in battery (as in batter, not Duracell's) goodness?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

A Yorkshire Wellington :drool:

[Spikey M]

I've seen Yorkshire wraps a fair bit. Never tried one though.

[phonics]

They’ve made these things called a Naanwich here. Pakora chicken nuggets bit of lettuce and onions and sauce inside Full sized cheesy naan It’s incredible.

[Manc]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/11/20/families-set-week-freedom-christmas-easing-covid-restrictions/

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Because we all have Telegraph subscriptions...

[Lewis]

It says they've softened us up for this current state to continue into January in return for the prize of a week off at Christmas.

[Spikey M]

I don't think any softening up was required. There is a bizarre fixation on Christmas in this country. It has to be perfect. Everyone has to get what they want and no amount of credit card debt or inconvenience before or after Christmas is too much.

[phonics]

It’s almost like it’s the one time of year where families come together. Maybe I’m the outlier but from what I’ve seen of UK culture, it’s rare for people to live in the same place as their parents and their parents the same place as their siblings.

It’s not like Naples where there’s 35 variety of aunts/uncles/niece/newphew coming round for dinner every Sunday.

So in a year where that’s been largely impossible since March, I understand peoples anxiety over it.

[Spikey M]

There are numerous weekends and Bank Holidays where they can get together. And they can do so without accumulating ridiculous levels of debt or requiring the nation to go through a 2 month lockdown.

[phonics]

Where they can but they don't. What's with the whole 'everyone going bankrupt at Christmas' thing?

[Andy]

The obsession with Christmas is absolutely insane. I always find the people who bang on about it the most are the ones who end up enjoying it the least as well. Then they also envitably depressed throughout January as they've got nothing to look forward to, this time will be even worse!

My wife is on about isolating away form me in our spare bedroom for two weeks so she can go and visit her family for a few days over Christmas with a clear conscience and then isolate again for another 14 days when she gets back. Mental.

[Spikey M]

Where they can but they don't. What's with the whole 'everyone going bankrupt at Christmas' thing?

https://www.stepchange.org/media-centre/press-releases/real-cost-christmas.aspx

It's a big problem.

I'm all for Christmas, good food, good company, lots of alcohol and an Eastenders special but we have an unhealthy obsession with it.

People are willing to struggle financially for 3 quarters of the year to have a good Christmas and now, apparently, to isolate themselves from the people they love for 6-8 weeks so that they... can see the people they love for 5 days over Christmas?

[Jimmy Floyd]

There's a bit of what phonics said, but from my observation of colleagues etc Christmas gets completely turbocharged in (many) families which have kids aged 3-11, to the point where it's literally the focal point of the entire year and everything else is just building up to it. That's where you get the demand for decorations in the shop from October and so on.

It's a marketing orgy and there is no group of people that marketeers love more than 'mums', as they're often making spending decisions for four or five people across multiple arenas be it food and drink, presents, trips out or whatever else. Wrap those all up in tinsel with a Santa hat and you're sitting on a pot of gold.

[Baz]

So many people have got their trees up already “coz wot else can we do?” but I like that we’re sticking to tradition and all being polite enough to wait for Lewis to start our Christmas 2020 thread on December 1st. Well done, TTH.

[Lofty]

Unfortunately my time on the railway has taught me there is a spike in fatalities come January when the bills roll in and I worry this coming January could be an all time high.

[Don]

Can't even enjoy the Delay Repays this year :moop: 2 or 3 years ago was superb, they were dropping like flies.

[Dquincy]

Can I recommend you Delay Repay Sniper. Works a treat when you have an annual season ticket.

[Dquincy]

The obsession with Christmas is absolutely insane. I always find the people who bang on about it the most are the ones who end up enjoying it the least as well. Then they also envitably depressed throughout January as they've got nothing to look forward to, this time will be even worse!

My wife is on about isolating away form me in our spare bedroom for two weeks so she can go and visit her family for a few days over Christmas with a clear conscience and then isolate again for another 14 days when she gets back. Mental.
All that for a bad cold. Jesus.

[Spikey M]

Unfortunately my time on the railway has taught me there is a spike in fatalities come January when the bills roll in and I worry this coming January could be an all time high.

Same in my job, I think that's why I'm so aware of it. It all starts in October when people can't pay their rent and offer various feeble excuses why. Then they end up in court in January/ February and end up with a court order that they start breaching the following October. It's nuts.

That said, they're not the ones that kill themselves in my experience. It's more likely to be the lonely and isolated people, which is where Phonics point does have merit and why the train cleaners may be very busy indeed this winter.

[Lewis]

Part of me also feels a bit sorry for the other religions whose celebrations we happily trashed to Control the Virus, but then I remember 7/7 and think of all them girls in Rotherham and elsewhere and I might buy two advent calendars this year.

[Don]

Can I recommend you Delay Repay Sniper. Works a treat when you have an annual season ticket.

The sweet sweet days of https://www.recenttraintimes.co.uk/ for me. DRS is probably less work but also less satisfaction as a result.

[Dquincy]

Part of me also feels a bit sorry for the other religions whose celebrations we happily trashed to Control the Virus, but then I remember 7/7 and think of all them girls in Rotherham and elsewhere and I might buy two advent calendars this year.

You shouldn't. Over 85% of the UK's population is either Christian or non-religious. You can't please them all.

[mo]

Yeah fuck the minorities.

[Queenslander]

Tourism NSW putting their best foot forward welcoming the first flight from Melbourne to Sydney.

https://i.ibb.co/tH7BsG8/FB-IMG-1606099108052.jpg (https://ibb.co/Jcfn715)

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55040635

Useless Oxbridge cunts.

[John Arne]

Trump is gonna love the fact that it's only 70%.

You see in England, at Oxford, supposed to be the best school... just 70%. Our vaccine is 95%, best vaccine in the world most people are saying that. My Warp Speed program has been a tremendous success, such a legacy

[Shindig]

"Our fridges are colder, too. Yeah!" <cut to syringes being buried in the arctic>

[Boydy]

1330811452039573508

[Manc]

What time is Boris on?

[Waffdon]

The missus’ Maw tested positive on Friday having shown symptoms from Wednesday. She’s a deputy head so no surprises there. She’s only just turned 40 though and certainly not obese or anything and has been in bed since Friday morning and hasn’t moved. The Missus has had bad headaches since Saturday which is apparently a symptom.

The Maw has to self isolate until Saturday but we have to until a week Wednesday unless I start showing symptoms and it’s ten days from that day. Load of bollocks.

[Spikey M]

Is your girlfriend 9?

[Offshore Toon]

I've been on the headache train for the last week too. It was very mild until the middle of last night and when I woke up this morning. I'm alright now but watch this space.

[Disco]

Is your girlfriend 9?

This is Scotland, 40 is almost pension age.

[Waffdon]

Is your girlfriend 9?

21 :D

19 won’t be off the average age round here for pregnancy.

[Don]

What time is Boris on?

7pm I think.

4k/2k/0 allowed at outdoor events (depending on relevant tier). Does that include gigs? This tier business is gonna lead to mass migration of crackheads.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Leader of the SNP at Westminster-

1330918524093665280

He really is a cunt.

[Lewis]

Westminster should be telling these dickheads that they have no right to be closing 'national' borders.

[Yevrah]

We should just bin them off and they can make all the laws they like.

[Spikey M]

We can hear the 'drumming hooves' of your bumbling bollocks Boj. Get on with it.

[Spikey M]

Has Whitty gone blind? His eyes have gone weird.

[Shindig]

Sign language really, really makes this. :D

[Yevrah]

Hands, Face, Space mother fuckers!

We're entering the final straight of this piece of shit time in all our lives. :jayjay:

[Manc]

I must be watching a different channel.

[Spikey M]

Get Baz back in that office.

[Yevrah]

I must be watching a different channel.

Multiple vaccines ready to go balls deep, 2020 ending a mere 5 weeks away and a couple of months off the days getting longer.

It's happening. :drool:

[Baz]

Get Baz back in that office.Never again. The building was shut so long it's gone even mouldier. So what was previously seen as "not fit for a public library but fine for a workforce" is now just unfit for any purpose, it seems. :jayjay:

I mean, it's a crying shame that such an iconic building has been allowed to fall into such disarray, but if it means I can have naps and watch films on my dinner, I'm all for it.

[Manc]

It's happening. :drool:

Nope.

[Giggles]

Nope.

Well it obviously is, just maybe not as quick as Yev seems to think.

[Spikey M]

Well the shortest day isn't until this time next month so his daylight hopes are in ruins atleast.

[Lewis]

I'm happy to get vaccinated, but if anything comes of that take two tests a week until you do so you can go in Sports Direct then lol mate no chance.

[Giggles]

Vaccination passports are the way forward.

[Yevrah]

Oh we'll have another year of shit, no doubt, but at least it'll be on the way out rather than the way in.

Two/three more months of grim and it all will be on the way up from there.

Just need to work out how to deal with Chy-na now.

[bruhnaldo]

They saying we getting vaccines next month what you mean a year

[Kikó]

Well logistics for one.

[Lewis]

1330909914059968514

:lol:

[Luke Emia]

They saying we getting vaccines next month what you mean a year

Old people and fatties maybe. Anyone under 50 with no underlying health conditions is going to be waiting a long time, at least over here.

[randomlegend]

Just get a job in the NHS, noobs.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

So how many TTHers are anti-vaxxers?

My money would be on Bam and Boom at least.

[randomlegend]

Yevrah saying that he would get his kid vaccinated "on balance" but that they might well be something we look back on as a disaster the other day broke my soul a little bit.

[Luke Emia]

Just get a job in the NHS, noobs.

I suppose we can all clap for each other rather than getting a payrise next year.

Anyway are you classed as living in Breckland? It’s gotta be tier one all the way round here. Looks like half the average cases of the rest of the country.

[Luke Emia]

So how many TTHers are anti-vaxxers?

My money would be on Bam and Boom at least.
We have a Russian who works in our office fucking full on. It’s ok though because she has read about it in a book.

[randomlegend]

I get paid well as it is, I don't need a payrise. Use it to feed some kids or whatever.

Yeah I guess we are Breckland. Wymondham is a bit of a hotspot atm and the hospital just went up to tier 3 (I have no idea what that means tbh, but hopefully it means they'll change the retarded mistyped signs we have out atm).

[Shindig]

There are nearly 9 million over 70's in the UK. Jab them up and we'll be sorted. Sorta, probably, perhaps.

[Yevrah]

Yevrah saying that he would get his kid vaccinated "on balance" but that they might well be something we look back on as a disaster the other day broke my soul a little bit.

That's not how I worded it, but you carry on misrepresenting.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If the vaccine(s) really are dangerous then presumably the entire NHS staff, as the first to take them, will soon be bleeding out on hospital floors, giving the rest of us a pointer not to take it. Otherwise, I think I'll be getting the jab.

Actually it'll be interesting (ish) to see how the anti-vax logic progresses after that doesn't happen.

[Yevrah]

Surely they'll just point to as yet unknown long term effects? If people foamed at the mouth after taking it then presumably that would have shown in trials.

If it's possible and not disgustingly expensive and going on holiday/doing shit is dependent having it, I'll be going private to get it done ASAP.

[niko_cee]

"anti-vax logic"

Hmmmmm.

[Spikey M]

We have a Russian who works in our office fucking full on. It’s ok though because she has read about it in a book.

*watched a YouTube video

[Don]

Having left Team OTC in a superb position, I'll be reviewing the CVs for my new role as Vaccine Hesitant Hitsquad (VHH) honcho.

[Shindig]

That's a shit acronym. People Opposed to Killing Everyone (POKE) is better.

[Spikey M]

Clubs Unopened No Tastebud Squad

[Shindig]

Okay, that's a brand that better represents his vision.

[randomlegend]

That's not how I worded it, but you carry on misrepresenting.

The point of that comment was not remotely to have a dig at you. It was that if even someone I see as sensible and intelligent harbours doubts then what hope is there when half the country are Waffdon level retards.

[Don]

Lads, I'm really lacking sleep so can we please put the lid on this tasty bit of developing toxicity until tomorrow? I'd hate to miss out.

Will just put a bookmarker in with 'hahah @ the small-headed/psycho/Pellistri-rating fuck'.

Sweet dreams.

[Yevrah]

The point of that comment was not remotely to have a dig at you. It was that if even someone I see as sensible and intelligent harbours doubts then what hope is there when half the country are Waffdon level retards.

Depends what their motivations are. I have doubts about loads of things and I don't think any form of understanding we have now is infallible.

[randomlegend]

It's an interesting turn of events you outing yourself as a 'vaccine-doubter' after inexplicably called me an 'anti-vaxxer' the other day.

[Baz]

I mean, I'm sure intelligent people were fine with thalidomide in the 50s.

[Spikey M]

The point of that comment was not remotely to have a dig at you. It was that if even someone I see as sensible and intelligent harbours doubts then what hope is there when half the country are Waffdon level retards.

These are the fastest vaccines ever produced, testing has been 'fast-tracked' and 'Big-Pharma' has a track record of swelling brains and disappearing the limbs of unborn babies. I, and my family, will be vaccinated if it is required of us but it's in no way unsensible to be a bit worried.

[Lewis]

I mean, I'm sure intelligent people were fine with thalidomide in the 50s.

Both of my nans were given thalidomide. One binned it because she couldn't pronounce half the packaging so didn't trust it, and the other got it taken off her and chucked on the fire because it was German. The Great British Public wins again.

[randomlegend]

Developing an entirely new drug and the risks associated with it is DRAMATICALLY different from creating a new vaccine based on tried and tested principles.

[Yevrah]

It's an interesting turn of events you outing yourself as a 'vaccine-doubter' after inexplicably called me an 'anti-vaxxer' the other day.

Did I? You're gonna need to start quoting these posts.

Anti-vaxxers are coming at this from a completely different angle to me, I just can't stand it when humans arrogantly proclaim something to be 100% the case when our history is littered with examples of believing things categorically that turned out to be bullshit. I have doubt about everything and I just don't believe there's absolutely no possibility we couldn't get something in that field horribly wrong. We already have this year ffs. Face masks, closing borders. It was all horseshit.

[randomlegend]

Did I? You're gonna need to start quoting these posts.

Anti-vaxxers are coming at this from a completely different angle to me, I just can't stand it when humans arrogantly proclaim something to be 100% the case when our history is littered with examples of believing things categorically that turned out to be bullshit. I have doubt about everything and I just don't believe there's absolutely no possibility we couldn't get something in that field horribly wrong. We already have this year ffs. Face masks, closing borders. It was all horseshit.

No, you didn't. Taz did. Stop trying to have an argument with me :D

EDIT: I didn't see you'd got a post between Taz's and mine, I apologise for the confusion.

[Spikey M]

Developing an entirely new drug and the risks associated with it is DRAMATICALLY different from creating a new vaccine based on tried and tested principles.

What tried and tested principles are the 2 RNA vaccines using? An RNA vaccine has never been approved before.

[Yevrah]

These are the fastest vaccines ever produced, testing has been 'fast-tracked' and 'Big-Pharma' has a track record of swelling brains and disappearing the limbs of unborn babies. I, and my family, will be vaccinated if it is required of us but it's in no way unsensible to be a bit worried.

And the fact you need to even point this out is where science for me has all gone a bit religion. "You can't question it, it's just right. It's science".

[Yevrah]

No, you didn't. Taz did. Stop trying to have an argument with me :D

EDIT: I didn't see you'd got a post between Taz's and mine, I apologise for the confusion.

My apologies too. :D

I read Taz's post, but didn't see the link so assumed you thought I'd called you that.

[randomlegend]

What tried and tested principles are the 2 RNA vaccines using? An RNA vaccine has never been approved before.

The ones all other vaccines are based on. The fact they induce immunity using mRNA rather than proteins doesn't make them some drastically different thing which renders previous knowledge and experience irrelevant.

[Shindig]

You've got to think these projects are under a fair bit of scrutiny. Big bets are being played on it and if there was any problems, it could show up on a large scale.

[randomlegend]

I'm not saying it's impossible, by the way, that it turns out there is some unforeseen long-term side effect. But acting like we have NO IDEA and citing things like thalidomide is just utter nonsense.

[Don]

You were right to assume that wasn't aimed at me, Yev, his brain's melted from all those Man Utd U23 games. I didn't make such a claim.*

*I retain the right to withdraw this comment if proven wrong as memory recall is not there atm.

[Spikey M]

The ones all other vaccines are based on. The fact they induce immunity using mRNA rather than proteins doesn't make them some drastically different thing which renders previous knowledge and experience irrelevant.

I didn't say it did. I'm not a dr, as you know. As far as I'm aware, you're the only dr on the board (Ital?), but it does interest me that your response to genuine concern is smug dismissal.

[randomlegend]

It's not smugness. It's sadness and exasperation.

[Lewis]

Stay in your lane pinhead.

[Shindig]

It's probably like airline pilots where you need absolute trust in what you're doing and who you're working for.

[Spikey M]

It's not smugness. It's sadness and exasperation.

It's being a twat and if I were an anti-vaxxer I would be doubling down off the back of it.

[randomlegend]

It's being a twat and if I were an anti-vaxxer I would be doubling down off the back of it.

Anti-vaxxers are completely intransigent to having their views changed by literally anything, so who cares.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

You were right to assume that wasn't aimed at me, Yev, his brain's melted from all those Man Utd U23 games. I didn't make such a claim.*

*I retain the right to withdraw this comment if proven wrong as memory recall is not there atm.

What is there at the moment?

[Spikey M]

Anti-vaxxers are completely intransigent to having their views changed by literally anything, so who cares.

There are people in the middle, as you have been alluding to. As I said, I will get vaccinated. I trust the science. But the science has been wrong before and it isn't unreasonable to worry that it will be again. And that my kids could end up with cancer in 20 years time. Or be completely infertile. Who knows?

It will probably be fine just like the other vaccines have been (unless it really was the Polio vaccine that got HIV started lolol) but it really isn't unreasonable to worry about the health and the future of your family when it comes to things like this. It's pretty bloody natural.

[Manc]

I knew they'd come out of the woodwork.

[randomlegend]

There are people in the middle, as you have been alluding to. As I said, I will get vaccinated. I trust the science. But the science has been wrong before and it isn't unreasonable to worry that it will be again. And that my kids could end up with cancer in 20 years time. Or be completely infertile. Who knows?

It will probably be fine just like the other vaccines have been (unless it really was the Polio vaccine that got HIV started lolol) but it really isn't unreasonable to worry about the health and the future of your family when it comes to things like this. It's pretty bloody natural.

Yeah, you're probably right. I'm just bitter and have idiot fatigue from dealing with shit like people who won't give their baby vitamin K injections because they are anti-vaxx.