Coronavirus Death Thread

[Shindig]

It's all hypothetical. It's not like our waves have been like-for-like. We've had limited testing, widespread testing, vaccines, etc. All that will factor at some point. Hopefully it just suppresses whatever the new variant (and whatever the next dominant strain is) gives out.

[Pepe]

I've seen some people driving alone with their masks on. :harold:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I've seen some people driving alone with their masks on. :harold:

I've seen that quite a bit round here and I'm constantly baffled.

[Yevrah]

My local shop is pretty close to me so I can be seen leaving my front door wearing mine, despite the fact I’m not remotely doing so to protect me in the street.

I’m probably being charitable, but maybe it’s something like that.

[Queenslander]

Scummo couldn't organise a root in a brothel.


Aged Care Minister Richard Colbeck has made a stunning admission over the bungled vaccine rollout in nursing homes admitting he doesn’t know how many workers have got the jab

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/government-doesnt-know-how-many-aged-care-workers-have-had-jab/news-story/7b489f1ba90140b8903dee7948110220#.ng1x0

[Magic]

I've ramped up laughing and shaking my head at these mask wearing freaks.

[Shindig]

That's not nice. If someone took offence they could chokeslam you through the nearest shop window. And the police won't catch them this time around because of the masks.

[Spikey M]

Alot of these people could be immunocompromised and unable to have the jab. I'd probably be hyper-cautious in that situation too.

[Pepe]

I've ramped up laughing and shaking my head at these mask wearing freaks.

...once I am out of their sight.

[randomlegend]

I've seen that quite a bit round here and I'm constantly baffled.

I sometimes forget to take mine off. I'm so used to wearing it all day every day at work I hardly realise it's there any more.

[Magic]

Alot of these people could be immunocompromised and unable to have the jab. I'd probably be hyper-cautious in that situation too.

Weren't we told the masks don't protect you, they just protect the apparent spreading? Load of shit and utter noncery.

[Magic]

I sometimes forget to take mine off. I'm so used to wearing it all day every day at work I hardly realise it's there any more.

:D

I mean...

[Waffdon]

Enjoy level 2, Magic :cool:

I’m not really sure what the differences are, mind.

[Lewis]

The people I see cycling in them are where my questions start.

[Spikey M]

Weren't we told the masks don't protect you, they just protect the apparent spreading? Load of shit and utter noncery.

We've been told alot of things. The obvious point is that there are people that Covid is very bad news for and some of them aren't able to get vaccinated. They are probably pretty justified in being a bit ott.

[Baz]

Starting door to door “surge testing” round here apparently, cos 2 scrubbers had the Indian variant.

[Don]

*Delta, you fucking gammon.

[Ian]

I’m not really sure what the differences are, mind.

Largely the same but with indoor drinking and bigger groups of people, no?

[Waffdon]

Level 2 can already drink indoors, think Glasgow was the only place in the UK that couldn’t as they’re still Level 3 until Saturday. Think the main difference is just more people are allowed in your groups and soft play areas are open. Maybe no more 2 hour limits indoors but can’t really find anything that confirms that

[Magic]

Enjoy level 2, @Magic (https://www.thethirdhalf.co.uk/member.php?u=47) :cool:

I’m not really sure what the differences are, mind.

:D

Fuck your level 2.

[Magic]

We've been told alot of things. The obvious point is that there are people that Covid is very bad news for and some of them aren't able to get vaccinated. They are probably pretty justified in being a bit ott.

I thought they were all dead.

[Ian]

Level 2 can already drink indoors, think Glasgow was the only place in the UK that couldn’t as they’re still Level 3 until Saturday. Think the main difference is just more people are allowed in your groups and soft play areas are open. Maybe no more 2 hour limits indoors but can’t really find anything that confirms that

Oh, my bad, I thought it was level 2 you were asking about from your post rather than the places being moved to level 1.

So yeah, I think it's mostly just more people doing stuff, maybe for longer.

[Andrew]

Just picked up 6 midwife's that have just returned from Portugal.

They were all in agreement that they won't go abroad again and the only positive about it all was the airport's were quiet.

180 on tests they spent each, to top it all off one of the ladies tests came back inconclusive so she had to fork out for another test so she spent 240.

[Spikey M]

My wife works with a Portuguese woman that's just come back from a visit with her parents and she had similar to say. Sad but to be expected I guess. Fuck sake.

[Magic]

No deaths at all today. Fucking joke.

[Don]

We need to wait and see what the data shows about this Delta variant tho. I don't know why but a few prominent scientists (usually of the Delta variant themselves) said so.

[niko_cee]

Saw quite a few delta variants having large multi-generational gatherings around Arundel castle yesterday. Have a sore throat today.

[Spikey M]

John Arne hasn't been on since 02/05 and it sounds like things are getting interesting over there. :uhoh:

[Yevrah]

We need to wait and see what the data shows about this Delta variant tho. I don't know why but a few prominent scientists (usually of the Delta variant themselves) said so.

We should be rolling back the current freedoms we have. Fun is not a risk worth taking.

[Queenslander]

Zero Covid deaths in the UK and we have been dumping vaccines because Federal Government sent them to the wrong states.

The Prosperity Gospel is really doing a good job running this country...


And Melbourne has extended the lockdown. Lol

Edit: NSW will have a nervous 2 weeks as well.

[Spikey M]

Mandatory jabs for carehome staff. :happycry:

[niko_cee]

Watching Australia fall apart from their 'position of strength' whilst the rest of the world just gets on with life is going to be quite lol.

[Queenslander]

Our luck has to run out eventually.

[Spikey M]

You're just doing exactly the opposite to us. You did the right thing by shutting the borders, but you are completely fucking the vaccine roll out.

[Jimmy Floyd]

And because they have no natural immunity, the vaccine bar is a lot higher for them.

[Queenslander]

The States are screaming for the vaccines but roll out is at Federal level. It is as simple as Scummo and his mates playing politics.

It is the same with quarantine and returning Australians all at Federal level

[Shindig]

Israel's published their myocarditis findings. 245 mild cases from the Pfizer jab. All linked to the second jab and appearing mostly in the under-30s.

[Yevrah]

Mandatory jabs for carehome staff. :happycry:

Only 6 months too late. An absolute disgrace that.

[Spikey M]

Only 6 months too late. An absolute disgrace that.

Indeed. It should have been such an easy win.

[Baz]

They’ll be letting school staff jump the queue next. :youpi:

[Yevrah]

I must have missed the huge swathes of teachers ending up on ventilators because they hadn't been given vaccination priority.

[Baz]

I must have missed the huge swathes of teachers ending up on ventilators because they hadn't been given vaccination priority.I’m sure you saw the rates increase.

[Spikey M]

Is there a reason Teachers are more vulnerable than their counterparts working other jobs? Supermarket staff, people having to use public transport, etc?

This fixation on teachers is weird.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Teachers is a purely emotional argument, nothing to do with facts. JCVI have nailed basically every aspect of this.

[Baz]

Is there a reason Teachers are more vulnerable than their counterparts working other jobs? Supermarket staff, people having to use public transport, etc?

This fixation on teachers is weird.They don’t have 30 people, highly likely to be asymptomatic, firing disease-riddle droplets directly at them for 7 hours a day, who are mixing constantly with others.

I’m a Data Champion and it’s easy to see that schools have contributed largely to the high rates the UK have experienced.

[Spikey M]

Even if I take your word for that, why does that mean Teachers should jump the queue? Doctors and Care Home staff were prioritised because they have regular contact with vulnerable people. Teachers (largely) do not.

[Ian]

If you take his word for it?

He's just told you he's a Data Champion, mate.

[Baz]

Even if I take your word for that, why does that mean Teachers should jump the queue? Doctors and Care Home staff were prioritised because they have regular contact with vulnerable people. Teachers (largely) do not.

The vulnerable are mostly jabbed now so fuck those fatties/biddies. Priority should be preventing the spread as much as possible and the biggest “hot spots” (locally, at least, but I imagine nationally too) are schools.

[Spikey M]

The number of teachers that haven't had the offer of a vaccine by now must be vanishingly small. We're on everyone over 30 now, right?

[Baz]

The number of teachers that haven't had the offer of a vaccine by now must be vanishingly small. We're on everyone over 30 now, right?I guess but I just think they should have been offered it earlier, regardless of age. I know of "NHS staff" who work completely from home, who had their first dose of the vaccine before my nan.

[Yevrah]

Giving a vaccine to a healthy 25 year old teacher ahead of a fat and unhealthy 50 year old is just as bonkers giving it to NHS staff who work from home before your Nan got it.

[Baz]

But one happened and one didn’t. Why were home workers prioritised over actual frontline key workers?

[Spikey M]

They almost certainly didn't. Presumably it was just too much effort to sit sorting the thousands of NHS staff into priority and non-priority lists, so they just treated them all as front-line for simplicity.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Trying to work out a detailed priority list based on occupation, workplace and all kinds of other factors would have been far more trouble in times of time and resources than the benefits it produced. They got it spot on - NHS (if that includes Brenda from accounts then so be it), oldies, sickies, then the rest by age.

[Baz]

Don’t you think the amount of people with Covid since December, when the vaccine was rolled out, would have been drastically reduced had schools not been susceptible to spreading it?

[Jimmy Floyd]

May well have been, but that's to do with 30 kids rather than 1 teacher.

[Spikey M]

It's not poorly teachers spreading it in Schools, it's snotty coughy kids passing it around and taking it home. Vaccinating teachers wouldn't have done much at all. Vaccinating the kids might have, but there's a few obvious problems there.

[Yevrah]

On that note, where are we going to stop on the age list?

For my money we could almost stop now and this is done, so giving it to a 15 year old, let alone 5 year old seems unnecessary.

[Spikey M]

I would just get down to 18 and see where we are. That must be close to Herd Immunity.

[Shindig]

Vaccinating the kids might be an idea if you really, really want to drive this down but I don't see us bothering.

[7om]

Well the US are vaccinating over-12s aren’t they? Wouldn’t be surprised to see us go the same way.

[Shindig]

Poland's followed suit. I just wonder if the fat-hearted children of Israel is enough to scare us out of it. It's not killing them, so there's that.

[Kikó]

I guess the logic is to build immunity for future iterations. We vaccinate kids all the time so it's logical to do the same here.

[Jimmy Floyd]

We should definitely vaccinate as far down the ages as possible given safety/efficacy. Particularly 14 and up as they have been known to breach social distancing guidelines on occasion.

[Queenslander]

Lol

https://i.ibb.co/R41YvKx/FB-IMG-1622703063229.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[Spikey M]

Anyone not washing their hands before they eat was raised in a barn.

[niko_cee]

Handwashing (or sanitising) before doing anything was always the mark of a total wrong'un and remains so, pandemic or not.

That said, seeing as 97% of men don't wash their hands after going to the toilet, leaning into people to get them to try to do it is probably worthwhile.

[Queenslander]

South Australia is freaking out so all of it is funny.

[randomlegend]

The number of teachers that haven't had the offer of a vaccine by now must be vanishingly small. We're on everyone over 30 now, right?

There's plenty of teachers under 30. Teachers are also pretty much the only people mixing with large number of others on a regular basis whilst being pressured not to wear masks.

I do understand the reasoning behind teachers not being prioritised (and on balance probably agree with it) but I also sympathise with them feeling a bit vulnerable.

[Lewis]

They shouldn't have run their immune systems down working so hard.

[Lofty]

They amount of absolute grebs in professional jobs who had shits and then walked out without washing their hands at the office toilet was unreal.

[Shindig]

I can't wrap my head around that. Do they think toilet paper is an effective barrier?

[Spikey M]

Portugal onto the Orange List.

The whole thing is such a shambles. It's basically impossible to plan a holiday unless you're able to fly out the following day. Even then you might end up paying through the nose to change your flight home if they change their mind again.

Just shut the borders if you're going to be this twitchy about it, for fuck sake.

[Yevrah]

We seem to have been in this half-way 'economy vs. health' house since this whole mess began and it really doesn't seem to serve either.

[Shindig]

And you know there'll be people at the airport moaning about how this has happened. Nothing in the last 15 months has prepared them for it. Nothing at all.

[7om]

Just don’t go abroad. I can’t understand why people are booking foreign holidays when things are this volatile. Just go to Weston-Super-Mare ffs.

[Yevrah]

I've little sympathy with those who moan about getting stranded, but it is personally gutting that it's looking unlikely I'll get away this year without it being monumental hassle, which I won't be prepared to endure.

[Spikey M]

I sort of do have sympathy for them. As much as I'm not surprised it's happened and I wouldn't go with things as they are anyway; the Government have created a "green list" of places we're supposedly allowed to go on holiday and a month in they're already pulling the rug. It's a shit show .

[Shindig]

And with our case numbers, what good does green do if the other country's playing by different rules?

[Manc]

I can’t understand why people are booking foreign holidays when things are this volatile. Just go to Weston-Super-Mare ffs.

Oh dear.

[Don]

Hospitalisations up (by 2 from last week but still), that is ominous shit for the soft shite brigade to feel empowered.

[niko_cee]

14 day case rate has somewhat gone through the roof in the South East in the last week (relatively speaking) from 27.4 per 100,000 last Tuesday to 41 per 100,000 this one just gone (by my calculations). A 50% rise in cases!

[Andrew]

14 day case rate has somewhat gone through the roof in the South East in the last week (relatively speaking) from 27.4 per 100,000 last Tuesday to 41 per 100,000 this one just gone (by my calculations). A 50% rise in cases!

That's it..... every member of team soft shites back behind the sofa for another 12 months...

[Jimmy Floyd]

I am still lolling at the indignance of the 'close the borders' mob, as if stranding thousands of British Indians abroad for months would have been a good option for HMG.

[Lewis]

There should have been x amount of weeks to return last year, and they should have been closed since.

[Spikey M]

It has to be one or the other. You either open up and accept that enclosing several thousand (often young and Unvaccinated) football fans on planes with circulated air is going to see SUPERSPREAD events, or you shut up shop .

The current state of play works for nobody.

[Yevrah]

Even if the borders are 'closed', you can still deal with exceptions on a case by case basis.

Ultimately, if variants are a risk then they should be closed, not this bollocks we have now. I know of at least 3 people who either have or will be visiting family (that aren't ill) in Amber countries over June alone and I suspect travel is utterly rife among non-UK nationals.

[Shindig]

Just looking at hospital numbers and case rates, it sure does seem Bolton, Blackburn and Bedford are propping up this surge.

[Spoonsky]

There should have been x amount of weeks to return last year, and they should have been closed since.

I agree with this, and it struck me a year ago that Trump - after 4 years of border, border, border - would have actually been making a decent decision to close our borders, one that even I would have probably supported. Instead COVID broke his already fragile mind.

[Lewis]

Was it really as simple as him wanting it to go away to keep the economy going in the election year? Because the ideal response - border closures, and then ruling by decree and pissing federal money around once it was already in - should have played straight into his instincts and/or what all the hystericals thought he was. If so he just sort of ended up falling between two stools.

[Shindig]

He left a lot to the state governors rather than slap a national response on it.

[Queenslander]

Melolbourne.


. New QR code rules are in place across Victoria with fines up to $1,652


https://ab.co/3ccFLLh

[Kikó]

Fuck that.

[Lofty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57374241


Dr Wolf was also duped into tweeting a made up quote on an image of an American adult film star dressed up as a doctor.

:D

[Lewis]

1402186103369736192

Nonce Nation. If this curry variant fucks things up...

[Andrew]

Two week delay incoming...( Remember it was just 3 weeks to flatten the curve 18 months ago) so I'm not expecting it to be "just" two weeks..

If deaths down to single digits less than 1000 in hospitals across the country with Covid, vaccines having an obvious effect, if not severing the connection between Covid and deaths is not enough for these fairies to lift lockdown then nothing will ever be enough!!!

This will never fucking end..

[7om]

Interesting how people seem happy to sack off restrictions on the amount of people they can have over to their house but don’t support returning to the office. I wonder why.

[Spikey M]

They also don't want restrictions relaxed for events though, which is weird.

We are deep into "stay at home under your beds if you want, but Covid is done and we're opening up without you" territory. The government had better not bow to this shit.

[Waffdon]

Interesting how people seem happy to sack off restrictions on the amount of people they can have over to their house but don’t support returning to the office. I wonder why.

Why wouldn’t you want to work from home if you have the choice lol

[Kikó]

Fuck returning to the office full time. What's the point?

I can understand some caution for the first few weeks but they should just rip the plaster off on the 21st. If people still want to wear masks then go for it.

[Manc]

First jab booked for tommorrow. Fully anticipating to be wiped out.

[Spikey M]

I think it's only AZ that does that on the first dose and they're not giving it to the young anymore (unless unavoidable).

If it's Pfizer it'll just be a sore arm for a couple of days.

[Foe]

Decided to just get the jab yesterday after getting my letter (my friends informed me it would have an appointment date, I wasn’t going to open until post summer assuming it’s was a link to book a jab deal).

Wound up with moderna and bar being super tired for a few hours after i just feel like I’ve been punched in the arm and the pain won’t dull. Fuck off.

[Foe]

Also still bald. So no hair growth side effects unfortunately :(

[Magic]

I threw my letter in the bin.

[Kikó]

1402351586786037763?s=19 starting to see the rise in hospitalisations now in the younger unvaccinated population.

I can see the 21st pushed a month.

[Magic]

Age 18-64. :D

Desperation.

[Yevrah]

If this is a genuine problem delaying the 21st won't do anything - we're already able to do too much.

[Kikó]

It gives an extra few weeks of vaccination to happen. I can see it staying at this level without the clubs opening.

[Magic]

How many grotesquely unfit people are in that data set.

[Kikó]

How are you still this thick.

[Don]

The saunas are open and most of my boys are coming out of lockdown either with a baby or some revelatory teetotal stance as a result of becoming homosexuals. My thumb injury also needs a few more weeks so I can cope with Team Soft Shites and their associated inbreds.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If it stays like this for a bit I can take it. What I can't take is any more lockdowns or other such shite.

[Baz]

Considering I planned a whole workplace weight loss challenge around a June 21st finale (not to mention the goddamn Hooters stag do on 25th) then any delays are a serious, serious pain in my arse.

[Offshore Toon]

If it's Pfizer it'll just be a sore arm for a couple of days.
It made me feel a bit shit tbh. Mild headaches for a few days, although they weren't helped by the sore arm disrupting sleep. It definitely felt like a mild cold and I wouldn't say I felt 'right' until about a week later.

[Spikey M]

Having heard from Baz, I am now in support of another national lockdown. Get the Army on the streets.

[Yevrah]

I had a horrible, yet unsurprising thought this morning. One that's been lurking at the back of my mind for ages.

This is life now.

[Yevrah]

And on Kiko's Twitter graph. I don't know whether there's some hearty manipulations gone into how those charts are presented, but hospitalisations shouldn't be tracking to anything like we saw in the second wave. This vaccine works, right?

[Andrew]

I had a horrible, yet unsurprising thought this morning. One that's been lurking at the back of my mind for ages.

This is life now.

I think it is, we have now have a political class that is more concerned with doing not what's the right thing to do but what they perceive as the more popular option that won't cost them any votes.

While half the country is on furlough or working from home and the rest are like those two idiots giving an interview to a reporter saying they are to scared to leave home, while standing with shopping bags in the middle of the town center.

[Kikó]

And on Kiko's Twitter graph. I don't know whether there's some hearty manipulations gone into how those charts are presented, but hospitalisations shouldn't be tracking to anything like we saw in the second wave. This vaccine works, right?

If you read a few tweets down in his feed, hospitalisations are from the unvaccinated hence younger. There's very little vaccine escape.

[Queenslander]

Some Melbourne rat has driven covid to the Sunshine Coast travelling through Country NSW.

We need to build a wall.

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/advocate-in-focus/victorian-caught-with-the-st-kilda-sneeze-in-qld-was-on-kamikaze-trip-to-ruin-origin-says-courier-mail/

[Kikó]

Some good news if we remain locked down: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-57410819

[Yevrah]

If you read a few tweets down in his feed, hospitalisations are from the unvaccinated hence younger. There's very little vaccine escape.

Do they know that for definite? At this stage (or even three weeks ago) the unvaccinated shouldn't have ended up in hospital in the first place...

[Magic]

Unless they're fat spactoids.

[Jimmy Floyd]

What I suspect is happening is that 'a hospitalisation' now is a very different beast to what a hospitalisation would have been in January or whatever when places were overflowing and the very sickest of the many sick patients prioritised.

[Magic]

It'll be people going in because they can't get doctors appointments and they just happened to test positive for Novid in the past 36 years.

[Spikey M]

I wonder how many soft cunts get a positive test and immediately go to hospital? I bet that's a small slice of it.

[Andrew]

Rumours now that it will be a 4 week delay...

In all truth though as long as furlough remains they will not lift all restrictions.

[Yevrah]

I don't immediately understand how you get from the graphs here to the Twitter graphs above.

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare

[Kikó]

Burn-Murdoch has been pretty good throughout but I'm sure the articles mention the dataset used.

re your question on age, I'm guessing hospitalisation by age data is available (and vaccine?).

[Don]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/09/link-between-covid-cases-and-deaths-has-been-broken-says-senior-nhs-boss

I was looking forward to freedom day for the hedonism and gay saunas but I think seeing the reaction of society is actually going to be the real treat.

[Lewis]

I had a horrible, yet unsurprising thought this morning. One that's been lurking at the back of my mind for ages.

This is life now.

'Live from the Yevtub.'

[Yevrah]

:cool: Best decision ever to get that thing.

[Waffdon]

I wonder how many soft cunts get a positive test and immediately go to hospital? I bet that's a small slice of it.

We all remember how you reacted to it, lad.

[Spikey M]

We all remember how you reacted to it, lad.

By thinking it wasn't bad enough to be Covid and not wanting to spend a week indoors for no reason, yeah.

[Boydy]

When is Yev gonna invite Taz around to his hot tub?

[Baz]

Can you eat on public transport? Like can you take your mask off to have a butty on the train?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Yes.

[Manc]

Can you fuck.

[Yevrah]

Er, you can.

[Spikey M]

Can you fuck.

No, he can't.

[Don]

+100 'hospitalisations' since last week. Can we have a report from our man on the ground please, RL, is your time spent browsing r/Romano'sbumboys affected yet or is it all fake news?

[Magic]

He's too busy burying kids.

[Yevrah]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilt_NcaIIRk

Not news, but put it all together and it absolutely stinks to high heaven.

[Spikey M]

Even if it were true, what would anyone do about it?

[Shindig]

If Chinese lab leaks are so common, that might spark some reform. Like Chernobyl but with viruses.

[Offshore Toon]

A few of us have been vocally anti-China for well over a decade now and it's honestly heartwarming to get some recognition over the last year with the COVID & Concentration Camps (we need a documentary with that name) double-whammy.

A cold war is probably the best we can hope for.

[Magic]

They're going to start differentiating between people going to hospital with it and going in for something else then catching it in there. :harold:

[Magic]

Top article on BBC about delaying lockdown, scare sorry etc then just below an article about too much exercise causes motor neurone disease. :hmm:

[Spikey M]

Come on then Conspiracy Custard. We're going to need more than a "hmm".

[Magic]

Well when we've got a global pandemic that specifically targets corpulent oafs why is GB's main news stream putting an article out trying to scare people in to not exercising? Just very bizarre.

[Spikey M]

Having just read the article, I can only conclude that you didn't.

[Kikó]

Do your own research.

[Shindig]

Regular and strenuous exercise increases the risk of motor neurone disease in people who are genetically vulnerable, say scientists.

I was more surprised it affects 1 in 300. I always had it down as rarer than that. Also, Magic radging over this is daft.

[Magic]

I know the article says 'those pre-disposed to the gene' however the headline makes it look the complete opposite. As we all know, the GBP don't read articles, just headlines.

[Shindig]

Isn't the point of the headline to get people to read the article?

[Kikó]

The GBP being MJ.

[Don]

Apparently keeping the restrictions in place will save thousands from being hospitalised so I'm now firmly in support of it. Also, a police geezer said he worries violence will rise if we ease restrictions so, again, it sounds like easy wins all over the gaff by keeping it as is. Not really sure why people are against it.

[Lewis]

If it doesn't happen next week it won't happen until August. They have fucked it.

[7om]

Yev was right. This is our life now.

[Spikey M]

Is it bollocks. Nobody is listening. Just crack on.

[Yevrah]

The real danger with this is the May relaxation being rolled back. As I keep saying, if COVID is problem enough to stop June 21st happening then it’s problem enough for us not to be doing what we’re already allowed to.

And if it is a genuine, actual problem, the vaccines don’t work, or don’t work for long enough.

[Yevrah]

Is it bollocks. Nobody is listening. Just crack on.

It’s not about listening, it’s about what’s open. If they shut/restrict shit again then people, whether they want to or not have no choice.

[Lewis]

I think we should go back into full lockdown in return for lifting all of the travel measures lest any foreigners be inconvenienced over the summer.

[Yevrah]

Covid doesn’t respect borders Lewie.

[Don]

Also, please bear in mind not everything is open and not everything is allowed as things stand. At least not for those of us who haven't thrown in the towel on life and accepted a miserable existence.

Where are we with the longevity of the vaccines? We must be coming close to having to start planning for round 2 for the soft shites.

[7om]

The vaccines work, for now, so that’s not an immediate worry. It’s just that we’ve got a significant percentage of the adult population who haven’t had two shots yet.

[Don]

Oi, nutty professor, I didn't ask for a fucking Newsround explanation for why these soft shites are losing their mind. I just want to know what the facts are about the longevity of the vaccine (and the natural immunity also, actually). It seems a fundamental variable to any kind of predictive analysis of this shitshow and a far more pressing concern than getting healthy young soft shites jabbed for the bants.

[Yevrah]

Based on the efficacy percentages we’ve jabbed enough people to not to have to delay anything, yet here we are.

If it’s an actual problem then the vaccines can’t be working in the way they should be, or don’t last particularly long.

I’m sceptical that it’s an actual problem, and if it isn’t, this is what happens when you let SCIENCE run the show.

[Don]

Yev, we've saved RL but we still need to protect Thames Valley police.

[7om]

Based on the efficacy percentages we’ve jabbed enough people to not to have to delay anything, yet here we are.

If it’s an actual problem then the vaccines can’t be working in the way they should be, or don’t last particularly long.

I’m sceptical that it’s an actual problem, and if it isn’t, this is what happens when you let SCIENCE run the show.

I cant be arsed to check but we’ve only fully vaccinated about half the adult population. That’s still a lot of vulnerable people when you factor in the increased transmissibility of this bastard variant.

The truth is we don’t know how long a vaccine will protect for. I think we have to accept that regular booster programs are going to be in our immediate future.

[Yevrah]

Appreciate two doses is at a lower level than one, but one dose offers, what, 70%+ protection? We'd done nearly forty million of those by the end of May.

I'm only going purely based on numbers here, but something doesn't stack up.

[niko_cee]

One dose is apparently significantly less effective against the new variant (although I'm not sure how that loss of efficacy bears out - is it simple getting it or getting it badly?) whereas two doses is almost as good (c.8% less effective).

Ludicrously massive ingographic:

https://e3.365dm.com/21/06/1600x900/skynews-vaccine-covid-coronavirus_5411812.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20210611103005

It's mostly the unvaccinated who are still at the 'biggest risk' though, whatever that means.

We've (somewhat sensibly) modified our border policy (which was going to be completely open for UK travel from July 1st) to only completely free if you've had two jabs and all the "I'll get it later" closet anti-vax twats are losing their minds.

[Yevrah]

On that and one for the boffins. Shouldn't viruses weaken over time as they evolve, not get stronger? Another +1 for the 'it came from a lab' column?

[niko_cee]

Isn't that a bit of a myth? I mean, in that world, how the hell is Ebola still kicking around in full bleed-to-death mode?

Don't they just evolve to become more transmissible, which often comes with the corollary that they cause less serious illness (as the more symptomatic you are, the less good you are at unknowingly spreading it)?

That said this:


As of 7 June, there have been 42 deaths in England of people confirmed as having the Delta variant and who died within 28 days of testing positive.

Of these people, 23 were unvaccinated, seven had had their first dose more than 21 days before and 12 had their second dose more than 14 days before.

Although completely without context could be somewhat alarming. Presumably those 12 were very old or died in car crashes or somesuch.

[niko_cee]

I suppose the context for that is 42 deaths out of 100,000+ infections [probably way more given the 28 day rule].

[Spikey M]

On that and one for the boffins. Shouldn't viruses weaken over time as they evolve, not get stronger? Another +1 for the 'it came from a lab' column?

"Less deadly" is my understanding of that theory. More transmissible makes sense.

[Spikey M]

Isn't that a bit of a myth? I mean, in that world, how the hell is Ebola still kicking around in full bleed-to-death mode?

Don't they just evolve to become more transmissible, which often comes with the corollary that they cause less serious illness (as the more symptomatic you are, the less good you are at unknowingly spreading it)?

That said this:



Although completely without context could be somewhat alarming. Presumably those 12 were very old or died in car crashes or somesuch.

Ebola is ridiculously rare for a virus that is highly transmissible and that purely boils down to how deadly it is. If it "only" killed 5% I could easily see it running rampant around Africa. Probably elsewhere too.

That said, to weaken it would need to spread first. Keeping it under control is possibly partly to blame for keeping it deadly. Not that the alternative is particularly attractive...

I do wonder how much of this expected "weakening" of viruses is just herd immunity and people catching things less badly the second time around.

[Kikó]

3-4 more weeks gets a shitload more people into 2nd vax territory. It's shit we can't go to the clubs but the sauna is open so let's crack on.

[Jimmy Floyd]

From what I've read, 2 weeks might actually be more optimal than 4 in terms of having a sooner but lower peak.

[Don]

3-4 more weeks gets a shitload more people into 2nd vax territory. It's shit we can't go to the clubs but the sauna is open so let's crack on.

This isn't a football thread fam, keep your nothing analysis out of here, we got Shinners for that.

[Queenslander]

My covid beard is so sick. If I were single I'd be...

[Manc]

Homeless.

[Queenslander]

:D

Yeah not far off.

[randomlegend]

On that and one for the boffins. Shouldn't viruses weaken over time as they evolve, not get stronger? Another +1 for the 'it came from a lab' column?

I did some reading around both of these questions a few months ago.

The answer to the first seems to be "it's complicated, but probably not really true that viruses tend towards reduced virulence over time".

It definitely didn't come from a lab though. It can be reliably determined whether a virus is manmade or altered by looking it's genome and covid is undoubtedly a natural variant (obviously I haven't and don't know how to do this but the article was in Nature so it should be pretty reliable).

[Magic]

So you've no idea. Thanks.

[Spikey M]

Do you have alerts on for whenever he posts in this thread?

[Boydy]

Isn't that a bit of a myth? I mean, in that world, how the hell is Ebola still kicking around in full bleed-to-death mode?

Reservoir hosts such as bats (again).

[Shindig]

Kill all bats.

[Queenslander]

We have Hendra virus in Brisbane. Kills horses and people.

[niko_cee]

Also spread by bats (well, flying foxes) no?

[Queenslander]

Also spread by bats (well, flying foxes) no?

Yep you are right flying foxes.

I was in Rockhampton years ago and they have flocks in the thousands.

Scary stuff.

[Spikey M]

Bats > people

[Lofty]

Apparently the delta variant symptoms could look exactly like a mild cold or hayfever, which is great.

[Don]

:D

You couldn't make it up.

[Spikey M]

Apparently the delta variant symptoms could look exactly like a mild cold or hayfever, which is great.

Well worth extending lockdown then

[Magic]

How convenient.

[Kikó]

When will the fascism end.

[Pepe]

the article was in Nature so it should be pretty reliable).

:harold:

[randomlegend]

?

[Spikey M]

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/love-sex/covid-wedding-rules-uk-restrictions-b1863199.html

How do they come up with this shit? :D

[Lewis]

His wife's friends will have weddings booked.

[Magic]

He's trying to save them. Don't fucking do it.

[Baz]

Did another LFT today. Still not got it.

[Magic]

Hayfever has been brutal past couple of days...

:henn0rz:

[Lewis]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57474074

Why we're doing it lads.

[Don]

What the fuck is that thing in blue? :D

All joking aside, it's a very serious condition and I will continue to support their cause until I am suitably compensated for my trauma.

[Baz]

Doing surge testing (knocking on doors and forcing LFT kits on people) round here now.

[Yevrah]

Not even Fauci is prepared to say it definitely didn't come from a lab, so I'm not buying that for one minute.

[Kikó]

Because he can't definitely say it. He's a SCIENTIST and there is a requirement for EVIDENCE first.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Could it have leaked from a lab without necessarily having been created in one?

[Spikey M]

Could it have leaked from a lab without necessarily having been created in one?

It's happened before.

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/marburg-virus-disease


Two large outbreaks that occurred simultaneously in Marburg and Frankfurt in Germany, and in Belgrade, Serbia, in 1967, led to the initial recognition of the disease. The outbreak was associated with laboratory work using African green monkeys (Cercopithecus aethiops) imported from Uganda. Subsequently, outbreaks and sporadic cases have been reported in Angola, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Kenya, South Africa (in a person with recent travel history to Zimbabwe) and Uganda. In 2008, two independent cases were reported in travelers who had visited a cave inhabited by Rousettus bat colonies in Uganda

[Lewis]

The Soviet Union had a few leaks of serious stuff. I'm pretty open minded about out, but they didn't do themselves any favours calling it a conspiracy theory last year because what because Donald Trump wanted it to be true?

[Spikey M]

I just think it's too shit a virus to be man made.

"Oh noes, please don't kill our pensioners!"

You'd atleast recreate the 1918 flu and kill the enemies youth off.

[Magic]

What the fuck is that thing in blue? :D

All joking aside, it's a very serious condition and I will continue to support their cause until I am suitably compensated for my trauma.

https://www.meme-arsenal.com/memes/b6f5d22cbed23b1f1bf8b4fa156ed5a5.jpg

[Lewis]

They will have been studying it, somebody will have got a bit of it in their face like in the Planet of the Apes remake, and then they won't have said anything because a Chinese government laboratory probably doesn't have the most forgiving work culture. All Trump jokes aside, he won't have just imagined it. The American intelligence reach is incredible, so if something had happened they will have known about it and briefed him on it. Equally, if they knew it had nothing to do with a laboratory, they would be able to make a reasonably confident statement saying so.

[Andrew]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57474074

Why we're doing it lads.

I'm sure 70 percent of Wales is claiming some sort of disability allowance already.

The people who will be claiming for long Covid are the same work shy fuckwits who claim to have fibromyalgia.

[Spikey M]

Yev has been doing the rounds in America.

1404679760970543109?s=19

[Shindig]

I'm sure 70 percent of Wales is claiming some sort of disability allowance already.

The people who will be claiming for long Covid are the same work shy fuckwits who claim to have fibromyalgia.

More work for me. Worth noting that the claims system is evidence based.

[randomlegend]

Not even Fauci is prepared to say it definitely didn't come from a lab, so I'm not buying that for one minute.

When you said "come from a lab" I incorrectly interpreted that as "man made".

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3

This is pretty up to date. It's not AS committal in saying it's not manmade/manipulated as other stuff I've read. I think a naturally evolved virus having leaked from a lab is very difficult to ever disprove.

[Lewis]

I'm sure 70 percent of Wales is claiming some sort of disability allowance already.

The people who will be claiming for long Covid are the same work shy fuckwits who claim to have fibromyalgia.

I was wondering whether Wales being ahead in the vaccine race was because everyone is sixty and/or disabled so got them months ago.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Wales is ahead in the vaccine race because they're using every single one they get straight away, in the knowledge that if they run out then England will bail them out. England, lacking this luxury, is holding a load back to use later in case of supply bumps.

[Lewis]

Is that why we've bummed out at half a million a day for weeks instead of having everybody done by now?

[Spikey M]

What is the population of Wales?

Google says 3 million.

We could single jab the whole country in 6 days at our current rate.

[Shindig]

I think we'll be ramping up if we're offering every adult the chance to book their jabs this week.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Is that why we've bummed out at half a million a day for weeks instead of having everybody done by now?

A bit of that and a bit of deployment constraints, I think. The government lies about it pretty blatantly so it's hard to tell exactly. Yesterday they set a laughably low 'target' whilst the actual signals showed they are stealthily going for a big first dose ramp up to get the youngsters done.

We have actually made one big mistake which was continuing to go down by age after about 45. Should have been a free for all after that point to get segments of each age group done. At the moment it's mainly rife in 20-25s as none of them are done, and they also all socialise with each other.

[Lewis]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/15/covid-jabs-to-become-mandatory-for-care-home-staff-in-england

The balls on these cunts. '[C]ompulsion is a blunt instrument that carries its own risks'. Oh is it?

[Yevrah]

That article is awash with some absolute gems.

[Shindig]

Imagine being such a Magic you quit your job over it. :D

[Baz]

Doing surge testing (knocking on doors and forcing LFT kits on people) round here now.

In a meeting about this just now and what seems to have happened is a carehome had an “outbreak” so positive tests on a certain area of the map shot up. So now there’s panic that everyone in this postcode might have covid so they’re sending people knocking on doors. Absolute nonsense.

[Spikey M]

All Owls will have had the opportunity to be vaccinated by July 19th.

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[Ian]

I wouldn't bother, they don't give a hoot.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think he has some kind of brain disease. He used to be able to string a sentence, er, uh, somewhat, uh, how can I put this, uh, as they would say, together.

[Kikó]

Probably covid.

[Spikey M]

I'd love to be a fly on Matt Hancocks wall today. :happycry:

[Manc]

I bet you'd love to fly on his cock as well.

[Spikey M]

You've been very strange lately.

[Lewis]

I think he has some kind of brain disease. He used to be able to string a sentence, er, uh, somewhat, uh, how can I put this, uh, as they would say, together.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQRP8oTOoPs

He didn't did he.

[phonics]

That’s how he’s always talked.

I found Peston crying that Boris was mean to him the most endearing thing Boris has done in quite some time.

[Shindig]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQRP8oTOoPs

He didn't did he.

"You sure you don't need an autocue for this one, Boris?"
"I think I'll remember it mother. I mean, Carrie."

[Lewis]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57496730

:cab:

[niko_cee]

Sounds like she's a bit too disabled.

[Lofty]

Can't read subtitles but can start a judicial review...

[Spikey M]

One of the channels always had a dude in the corner throwing gang signs.

[Spikey M]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/15D79/production/_118956498_dailystar-nc.png

[Baz]

Everyone 18+ can book their vaccine.

[Don]

Whitty says he does expect a further surge in the autumn and winter.

That is because the winter is a good time for respiratory illnesses, he says. It would be “very surprising” if winter did not favour the virus.

How big the problems will be is uncertain, he says.

He says the winter could be “quite a difficult one” of the NHS, although not as bad as last winter.

:D

US is opening up, Israelis are free to kick Arab children to death without a mask but we've got these dried out vaginas still beating their drums.

[Don]

Ooo, I see Denmark have got rid of masks and social distancing too.

[Queenslander]

I reckon a vaccine passport is on the cards for interstate/trans Tasman travel.


.Anyone entering Queensland will be required to fill out an online travel declaration, regardless of whether they have been to a COVID-19 hotspot.

The "traffic light" system will come into effect from 1:00am on Saturday.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk said the scheme would "make the job of contact tracing so much easier" in the event of a coronavirus outbreak


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-18/qld-covid19-explainer-traffic-light-online-travel-declaration/100223288

[Queenslander]

Too funny.



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