Coronavirus Death Thread

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

A dickhead in "peads" thinking he's a virologist.

[Smjffy]

Go sit in the corner with magic.

You don't know then?

I get that viruses mutate but already early doors we've seen people with allergies are unable to have this vaccine, no? So what if the virus continues to mutate? Can the genome protein change to the point the vaccine can't stimulate a response? Genuine question.

[randomlegend]

Most people with allergies can have it. You'd need a virologist for your other question. My educated guess would be that it would take some serious bad luck for the spike protein genes to mutate sufficiently to render the vaccine ineffective without making the spike protein itself ineffectual. But I don't know

[Smjffy]

Well we've hardly been blessed with fortune this year. I guess I'm just sceptic on the whole thing now, it's as though if there is a decision to get wrong then you can guarantee we'll choose that path. I can almost imagine the vaccine going from the light at the end of the tunnel the the light at the end of the tunnel for only a percentage and others will have to wait for a new version and so forth.

It just seems never ending.

If this new strain has originated here then surely the rest of Europe would benefit from closing their borders to us?

[niko_cee]

Aren't most borders closed (in the sense that people are required to quarantine after travelling in to most places) anyway?

[Spikey M]

Someone on my Facebook has just posted a picture from the shopping centre (for lack of a better term) in Southend. It's rammed. This announcement should have been both later and with immediate effect, surely?

[Spikey M]

Aren't most borders closed (in the sense that people are required to quarantine after travelling in to most places) anyway?

Not to Captain Tom and co.

[niko_cee]

Maybe the logic with him is if he had covid he'd almost certainly be dead.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Nothing has been with immediate effect in this pandemic, could you imagine the chaos. 'Midnight tonight' is the best you can ever do.

[Spikey M]

Not that it makes any odds to me, and I did just get a double bacon big mac (what an abomination :drool: ) so swings and roundabouts.

Just ordered the very same. You and Boris have flab on your hands.

[Shindig]

Nothing has been with immediate effect in this pandemic, could you imagine the chaos. 'Midnight tonight' is the best you can ever do.

Especially with the press sources inside Westminster always leaking shit ahead of time.

[Spikey M]

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[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Tier 4 for the whole of Hertfordshire.

:harold:

Infection rate of only 150ish here in North Herts...

[Foe]

Highland is jumping from tier 1 to tier 4 on Boxing Day.

Smashing.

Gym closed for lockdown so probably stuck up here to work for a while too.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Dad's funeral yesterday and now this. Getting mighty tired of it all.

[Foe]

Shite.

Condolences.

Imagine there’s meltdowns occurring nationwide about now.

[Jimmy Floyd]

My work whatsapp group started going off earlier, which never happens - suspect this has finished everyone off, morale-wise.

Sorry about that, Alan.

[Lewis]

I liked that polling about more people intending to form bubbles than support the rules being relaxed.

'Why is Boris making us do this?'

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[Manc]

What an imbecile.

[Kikó]

Can I travel to Scotland tomorrow?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've had to log off twitter because of all the shrieking 'Think about people dying! Not having presents is hardly a sacrifice!' or worse still, the ones about how people went through much worse in World War II. How to misunderstand what it is to be human in a single tweet.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Can I travel to Scotland tomorrow?

Not legally. My sister & husband were going to make the opposite trip but now having to sit in their flat in Edinburgh and eat chips soup or whatever the staple is up there.

[Kikó]

Fuck sake. It isn't really clear when the rules are in place from - was it basically from moment of comment?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Fuck sake. It isn't really clear when the rules are in place from - was it basically from moment of comment?

I don't think you were allowed to travel anyway until the Christmas relaxation of 23rd, which now does not exist. You're in a Tier 4 zone (presumably) so can't leave it as of midnight tonight, hence the stations are currently packed to bursting with evacuees.

[niko_cee]

Shouldn't you be one of the many now fleeing London by any means possible? Midnight apparently, but what does it really mean to be 'within the rules'?

[Kikó]

I don't think you were allowed to travel anyway until the Christmas relaxation of 23rd, which now does not exist. You're in a Tier 4 zone (presumably) so can't leave it as of midnight tonight, hence the stations are currently packed to bursting with evacuees.

I'm in tier 3 Manchester right now and would be traveling into unknown tier Scotland tomorrow on the train.

[Shindig]

Unless you have armed guards at the stations, this shit was always going to happen. I'd love to fuck off any sort of traveling during this. The only time it was good was during the second lockdown when you had a double-decker practically to yourself.

Monday morning's going to be so shite.

[Lewis]

If you get the Group to isolate it should offset your movements.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm in tier 3 Manchester right now and would be traveling into unknown tier Scotland tomorrow on the train.

You haven't been able to enter Scotland legally since 19 Nov unless you're on the list of exemptions, so it's up to you whether to stick with that, or make a dash for the border like Bonnie Prince Charlie. I'd probably do the latter if I wasn't concerned about then getting out again.

[Spikey M]

Those poor walking boots have been itching to get out as well.

[Waffdon]

I'm in tier 3 Manchester right now and would be traveling into unknown tier Scotland tomorrow on the train.

Come up tomorrow and you can have a nice pint in Angus

[Kikó]

You haven't been able to enter Scotland legally since 19 Nov unless you're on the list of exemptions, so it's up to you whether to stick with that, or make a dash for the border like Bonnie Prince Charlie. I'd probably do the latter if I wasn't concerned about then getting out again.

Business travel innit.

[Giggles]

It’s not though.

[phonics]

I tried to do test and release in arriving in the uk but the results would arrive a day before quarantine ends. Useful.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It’s not though.

They wouldn't question Lord Kiko though.

[Lewis]

If he's still turning their Christmas lights on it probably counts.

[Shindig]

He gets his wife to translate.

[Lofty]

Considering binning off my holiday in May due to the uncertainty and could do with the cash, just have to work out how much I lose cancelling.

[Boydy]

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[Jimmy Floyd]

If I was a programmer, I'd definitely make a little Windows pop-up minigame where you play as Kiko trying to cross the Scottish border by air, sea or rail while having to dodge Giggles catapulting bottles of home brew at you from passing vehicles.

[Lofty]

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She goes on to blame the train companies for having an open ticketing system (they have to) rather than limiting sales. Not sure she has ever travelled by train based on that assessment.

[phonics]

She’s also an absolute nobody, who cares?

[Shindig]

But that's a lot of nobodies. Some of whom will be infected with more transmissible form of an already transmissible disease.

[Boydy]

I miss Theresa May.

[Spikey M]

But that's a lot of nobodies. Some of whom will be infected with more transmissible form of an already transmissible disease.

The new variant is not limited to the Tier 4 areas. It's just where it's most common. It will spread. As will the new tier. We have zero capability to stop it.

[Dquincy]

It's bollocks. People were happy to meet with their parents/family for Christmas up until someone them not to this afternoon. Nothing significant changed from yesterday or earlier this weel when the cases were already high. Absolute sheep.

P.s. I live in the South East.

[Dquincy]

Out of interest, are Tier 4 people on here intending on following or breaking the rule regarding seeing their family on Christmas day?

[Spikey M]

I don't really know what the rules are beyond "Christmas is cancelled boohoo". My apathy persists.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

We decided last week as a family to just spend it in our separate households.

Funnily enough, the ones that were the quickest to bend previous rules were the first ones to start talking about how Christmas should be cancelled.

There are a lot of preachy people in my family who are happy to do one thing and then say we should all be doing something else.

[Giggles]

If I was a programmer, I'd definitely make a little Windows pop-up minigame where you play as Kiko trying to cross the Scottish border by air, sea or rail while having to dodge Giggles catapulting bottles of home brew at you from passing vehicles.

I’d have went with dried penne.

[Dquincy]

We decided last week as a family to just spend it in our separate households.

Funnily enough, the ones that were the quickest to bend previous rules were the first ones to start talking about how Christmas should be cancelled.

There are a lot of preachy people in my family who are happy to do one thing and then say we should all be doing something else.
Fair play, that's really responsible of you.

We haven't 100% decided, but I think we'll be following the Tier 4 rules apart from Christmas day, whereby we'll see my family providing we have no lergy symptoms.

[Magic]

We decided last week as a family to just spend it in our separate households.

Funnily enough, the ones that were the quickest to bend previous rules were the first ones to start talking about how Christmas should be cancelled.

There are a lot of preachy people in my family who are happy to do one thing and then say we should all be doing something else.

Don't you all live at home?

[Magic]

Also: told you so.

[Shindig]

The new variant is not limited to the Tier 4 areas. It's just where it's most common. It will spread. As will the new tier. We have zero capability to stop it.

Like fuck we don't. Don't fucking travel. There's your capability.

[Dquincy]

No Spikey is right. It's already out there I reckon.

Where I live in Kent, whilst our cases per 100k is a tad on the fucking high side, our 7 day increase percentage is only 8%. Whereas in Bracknell/Surrey locations, their 7 day increase is at 80%.

[randomlegend]

I'm going to have a stroke from reading this thread.

Thank god I'm back in paeds. January is going to be appalling on the adult side.

[Magic]

Spoiler alert: no it won't be.

Been right the whole way through this thread.

[Andy]

The changes to tier four outside of the Christmas changes are going to make my work an absolute nightmare. Half the team will have to go back shielding and then we need to work out if we can do non essential works in people's houses and if we can travel from Portsmouth to Southampton and vice versa.

Glad we managed to just about avoid being moved up to T3 or T4 but I wouldn't be surprised if it gets changed again this month.

[Manc]

The whole country will be in tier 4 soon enough.

[Andy]

The whole country will be in tier 4 soon enough.

Indeed, probably ready to see in the new year.

[Dquincy]

I'm going to have a stroke from reading this thread.

Thank god I'm back in paeds. January is going to be appalling on the adult side.
It was my comments wasn't it. :(

I'm sticking to the rules apart from 1 day!

[Baz]

So you’re not sticking to the rules.

[Spikey M]

Like fuck we don't. Don't fucking travel. There's your capability.

It's already everywhere. It's been going around for 3 months. :cab:

[Spikey M]

So you’re not sticking to the rules.

Nobody is sticking to the rules and the rules don't make sense anyway.

[Spikey M]

It was my comments wasn't it. :(

I'm sticking to the rules apart from 1 day!

He's been having ideas well above his station for some time now, I wouldn't worry about it.

[Waffdon]

People are obviously sticking to the rules so that’s bollocks. People that don’t are selfish weirdos, regardless of whether or not the government or rules are a shambles

[Spikey M]

People are obviously sticking to the rules so that’s bollocks. People that don’t are selfish weirdos, regardless of whether or not the government or rules are a shambles

Yesterday I broke the rules because the maskless man in the shop was basically standing on my heels in the queue.

In the same shop there was a group of 7 twenty-somethings that I very much doubt live together.

The entirety of my Facebook last night was post after post of "well Boris can fuck off if he thinks..."

People are not following the rules.

[Waffdon]

People will always break the rules. I’m just saying others are and probably the majority at that otherwise everywhere would look like London

[Dquincy]

People will always break the rules. I’m just saying others are and probably the majority at that otherwise everywhere would look like London

You some kind of thicko? That's what we could have said about the North a few months ago when their rates were off the scale and the South was relatively low. This virus just works in geographical waves and takes time to spread. Peaks and troughs.

And this bollocks about oh kids in that area are worse than kids in other areas at rule following. Every area will have people that follow the rules and won't follow the rules.

[randomlegend]

"Boris can fuck off..." as if he's doing it out of spite.

Absolute children.

[Spikey M]

People will always break the rules. I’m just saying others are and probably the majority at that otherwise everywhere would look like London

And yet here we are with record numbers.

[Dquincy]

"Boris can fuck off..." as if he's doing it out of spite.

Absolute children.

It's clear Spikey didn't mean he's doing it out of spite. More just the timing of it all is incompetent, etc.

[Baz]

Yesterday I broke the rules because the maskless man in the shop was basically standing on my heels in the queue.

In the same shop there was a group of 7 twenty-somethings that I very much doubt live together.

The entirety of my Facebook last night was post after post of "well Boris can fuck off if he thinks..."

People are not following the rules.Tier 5 incoming.

[randomlegend]

It's clear Spikey didn't mean he's doing it out of spite. More just the timing of it all is incompetent, etc.

Something new has happened (there is a new, more transmissible strain). They have changed the rules in response to this (which was not foreseeable) and rising infection rates. It's a completely appropriate thing to have done.

[Yevrah]

Look, I'm happy to pile in on incompetence when I see it, but I don't know what the government could have done differently here. Although I realise I'm saying that from the relatively luxury of tier 2, but that only means I'll be in tier 8 when the rest of you drop down.

We're utterly riddled with this fucker at the moment.

[Spikey M]

Something new has happened (there is a new, more transmissible strain). They have changed the rules in response to this (which was not foreseeable) and rising infection rates. It's a completely appropriate thing to have done.

I've already said that this is the right thing to do. It doesn't make people's disappointment less understandable. People have been clinging onto thoughts of a happy Christmas for months.

It changes pretty much nothing for me as we were staying home anyway.

[randomlegend]

It's fine to be disappointed.

It's the "fuck the government for cancelling Christmas!" and the "should have just broken the rules all year then if they were going to take Christmas away anyway waaaaaaaah" and the "but Muuuuuuuum you prooooomiiiiiised" whining that is pathetic.

Not everything is someone's fault.

[Manc]

It's fine to be disappointed.

Thank you.

[Magic]

Believing there's a new strain. :harold:

[Spikey M]

Thank you.

:D

[AyDee]

The change in restrictions are a bit shit. We were planning to go to my partner's family in Kent but obviously now a no-go. I'm disappointed as they usually put on a sick spread, and it's nice being out the country w/ pets etc. rather than being cooped up in a garden-less flat in a city, but it'll be first time my partner is away from her fam at Christmas and was therefore pretty upset.

Saying that, given the government's approach to restrictions / lockdowns, it would've been hard for them to justify allowing the Christmas relaxation go ahead. The incompetence lies in the ironclad commitments/promises they've previously made - promising a somewhat normal Christmas when the infection/transmission rates are volatile (+ impact of Winter on hospitals) made it an obviously reckless decision at the time. They were just hoping they'd be lucky and they haven't been. (Appreciate preparations needed to be made for the mechanics of Christmas relaxation but no need to tackle it so early and talk in absolute terms)

So yeah, mixed emotions. Bring on the middle of Spring.

[randomlegend]

Thank you.

No worries.


Believing there's a new strain. :harold:

Yes we've already established you don't know about evolution.

[Spikey M]

Believing there's a new strain. :harold:

Viruses evolving is a pretty standard thing. It's how we got off the hook wih Bird Flu IIRC, it just evolved to become less deadly.

RL's ability to evolve from an empty ward, free Easter Egg, triple overtime bragging doctor to a war weary, holier than thou doctor is more confusing.

[Lewis]

It was brought over on the Gatwick drone.

[7om]

What is the rationale of cutting back from five days to one? If a family member is infected, we are going to end up getting it off them whether we spend one day or five days together.

[Lewis]

Because they wouldn't get away with none.

[randomlegend]

If everyone stayed locked in their houses for five days that would probably be true, but people will be going out to the shops and stuff.

So if one person goes to the shop and catches it they're bringing it home to three households instead of one.

[randomlegend]

RL's ability to evolve from an empty ward, free Easter Egg, triple overtime bragging doctor to a war weary, holier than thou doctor is more confusing.

I can be both

[Spikey M]

Limiting to 1 day probably limits family gatherings to people who are seeing each other anyway, where as 5 days would have Kiko and co. travelling long distances across different tiers to spend the week with family.

[randomlegend]

Looked up the single dose efficacy of the Pfizer vaccine out of interest and it's thought to be around 80-90% (although not conclusively proven) after 14 days.

:drool:

[7om]

If everyone stayed locked in their houses for five days that would probably be true, but people will be going out to the shops and stuff.

So if one person goes to the shop and catches it they're bringing it home to three households instead of one.

Just shut all shops for that five day period, then. Lockdown everything except supermarkets.

[Boydy]

Do we have any idea why this new strain is more transmissible?

[randomlegend]

Just shut all shops for that five day period, then. Lockdown everything except supermarkets.

You can still catch covid in a supermarket.

[Andy]

What is the rationale of cutting back from five days to one? If a family member is infected, we are going to end up getting it off them whether we spend one day or five days together.

Stops people staying over night. Means people can't really travel very far to visit etc.

[randomlegend]

Do we have any idea why this new strain is more transmissible?

Not yet, as far as I can make out. Will take a couple of weeks.

[7om]

You can still catch covid in a supermarket.

Oh right.

[Dquincy]

Limiting to 1 day probably limits family gatherings to people who are seeing each other anyway, where as 5 days would have Kiko and co. travelling long distances across different tiers to spend the week with family.
He needs to get his walking boots.

[Dquincy]

Stops people staying over night. Means people can't really travel very far to visit etc.
But the 3 household rule still applies for tier 3 and lower. So whether it's 1 day or 5 days, if you have covid you're going to pass it on.

[Andy]

But the 3 household rule still applies for tier 3 and lower. So whether it's 1 day or 5 days, if you have covid you're going to pass it on.

True, but I think even in tier 3 areas if you cant stay over night you're far less likely to travel and see people so it will be far less people passing it on.

I'm going to go to my parents house as I live a 5 minute walk away, I wouldn't go if I couldn't walk. Id rather stay home and have a few drinks.

[Kikó]

I’d have went with dried penne.

Can Fry Crayola make this game?


I'm an hour or so away from the border, I've got my fake Scottish passport and papers so hopefully all be okay. The train is largely empty today (so far).

[Spikey M]

And that is exactly why we have no capability to stop the spread of the new variant.

[Kikó]

I was out of disease ridden Tier 4 weeks ago when it was super safe Tier 2.

[Magic]

Oh right.

:D

He's such a sanctimonious bell.

[Boydy]

You're still not meant to be entering Scotland.

[Kikó]

Yeah I know. Sorry.

[randomlegend]

:D

He's such a sanctimonious bell.

This stuff is just actually important. Not everything is a meme.

[Spikey M]

I was out of disease ridden Tier 4 weeks ago when it was super safe Tier 2.

You're still not meant to be going you fanny.

[Spikey M]

This stuff is just actually important. Not everything is a meme.

It's certainly self-important.

[Lewis]

'Daws' is merely going from one part of the United Kingdom to another. Whether he should be staying over at a particular house is another issue.

[Lewis]

'Not everything is a meme!' lmao

[Giggles]

'Daws' is merely going from one part of the United Kingdom to another. Whether he should be staying over at a particular house is another issue.

Would the whole UK not be the one tier then?

[randomlegend]

It's certainly self-important.

How is it self-important?

[Shindig]

It's already everywhere. It's been going around for 3 months. :cab:

Chris Whitty's gave a case breakdown yesterday that explicitly said the new strain wasn't everywhere. 5% of new cases in Hull were due to the new strain. He stressed they were in a race against time to stop escalating further. At which point knobheads had their own race against time to board a train to Leeds. :moop:

[Spikey M]

Chris Whitty's gave a case breakdown yesterday that explicitly said the new strain wasn't everywhere. 5% of new cases in Hull were due to the new strain. He stressed they were in a race against time to stop escalating further. At which point knobheads had their own race against time to board a train to Leeds. :moop:

If you PM Keeks he might be willing to drop you some round on his way past.

[John Arne]

Christmas is cancelled, but there are 2000 odd people at the Amex for the Brighton game. That seems bonkers.

[igor_balis]

Anyone who spent months looking forward to xmas and clinging onto it as a redemptive moment is a deranged div who deserves their unhappiness.

That goes for other, non-covid years too. Taking out loans to pay for turkey and tat for the kids. I don't mean to sound like a unsympathetic snob, but working class people should probably be killed.

[Spikey M]

I'm not sure that first paragraph gels with the second. People were looking forward to spending time with people that they've seen very little of this year, which is perfectly understandable.

The 2nd paragraph is bang on.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

You're still not meant to be entering Scotland.

He needs his walking boots you prick.

[Kikó]

Isn't that why Bill Gates invented the CHINA virus?

[Kikó]

He needs his walking boots you prick.

Look, the Manc Sean, Lewis, Kiko 2021 Yomping thread will be an instant classic.

[Mellberg]

Is the vaccine still effective against Covid 2.0 or do we not know that yet? And if we don't is it likely to be?

[randomlegend]

It will still be effective

[Kikó]

Likely to be fine. The microchip won't be affected.

[Spikey M]

Is the vaccine still effective against Covid 2.0 or do we not know that yet? And if we don't is it likely to be?

I can't be arsed to find the post, but RL said (in more scientific language) yesterday that any change big enough to the bit of the virus that the vaccine blocks would also render the virus unable to infect us.

[randomlegend]

I can't be arsed to find the post, but RL said (in more scientific language) yesterday that any change big enough to the bit of the virus that the vaccine blocks would also render the virus unable to infect us.

I prefaced that by saying I'm not a virologist and that's an only mildly educated guess :D

[Dquincy]

He needs his walking boots you prick.

Stop stealing my jokes please.

[Dquincy]

Look, the Manc Sean, Lewis, Kiko 2021 Yomping thread will be an instant classic.
And stop ignoring my joke and then commenting on someone else's identical joke to mine.

[randomlegend]

To summarise because it's got confusing.

Has the current variant mutated in a way so as to render the vaccine ineffective? No.

Could there potentially be mutations in future which render the vaccine ineffective? I don't know, ask a virologist, my poorly educated guess is its unlikely.

[bruhnaldo]

Spikes post had me :drool: then RL came in put me back to :worried:

While I went WFH, my colleagues at the hospital might finally get the vax this week

My mom is apparently eligible but I’m not sure if she’s gonna go for round one or not - I think she will but she hasn’t confirmed to me yet either way

If she was good then I’d feel a lot better about life

[Kikó]

And stop ignoring my joke and then commenting on someone else's identical joke to mine.

Sorry again, I really liked your joke.

[Dquincy]

Appreciate it, mate.

Wish you well on your travels.

[Pepe]

Are people really not seeing their parents? Lol at that.

[Giggles]

Are people really not seeing their parents? Lol at that.

Be some lolling if you were the cause of their funeral in the early new year. A right laugh.

[Lewis]

Look, the Manc Sean, Lewis, Kiko 2021 Yomping thread will be an instant classic.

Lads! Lads! Lads! Lads!

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Be some lolling if you were the cause of their funeral in the early new year. A right laugh.
Merry Christmas.

[Spikey M]

The sad thing is it is going to happen and I'm not sure if I could deal with having that blood / phlegm on my hands.

[Kikó]

I can't blame people for wanting to see their loved ones after what may be 9 months away especially if those people are especially old and frail and may not have another Christmas.

Some bastard on this train has been on since London and going to Aberdeen. Scum.

[Manc]

The whole country is going to be riddled with it.

[Pepe]

I didn't even mean just for Christmas. I meant overall. Not like I see my family often, since we live far away, but if my mother lived nearby, I would not spend nine months without seeing her. Complete madness.

[Pepe]

My neighbor still leaves her packages outside for a few days before taking them into her apartment. :harold:

[Foe]

I can't blame people for wanting to see their loved ones after what may be 9 months away especially if those people are especially old and frail and may not have another Christmas.

Some bastard on this train has been on since London and going to Aberdeen. Scum.

They’re going the wrong way.

[Giggles]

Some rush for fuckers to get back here now too.

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[Boydy]

Some rush for fuckers to get back here now too.

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It'll be the same up here and the executive aren't meeting until 9pm tonight to decide what to do.

[Spikey M]

I didn't even mean just for Christmas. I meant overall. Not like I see my family often, since we live far away, but if my mother lived nearby, I would not spend nine months without seeing her. Complete madness.

Most people have been seeing family and friends, just in the outdoors and in a socially distanced way but many of those with vulnerabilities (breathing problems, elderly, etc) have been keeping away from other people due to their desire to not die. The boring bastards.

[Lewis]

I've launched a legal appeal because of the Good Friday Agreement.

[Giggles]

It'll be the same up here and the executive aren't meeting until 9pm tonight to decide what to do.

From the mainland into NI? That would be a fairly big step, though it makes things much easier to control for us.

[Giggles]

I've launched a legal appeal because of the Good Friday Agreement.

Seems it’s only travel from Britain that’s going to be knocked on the head, not the whole UK. Probably wouldn’t apply then.

[Boydy]

From the mainland into NI? That would be a fairly big step, though it makes things much easier to control for us.
I meant it'll be the same in terms of the rush. Can't see Stormont banning it. I don't think they'll even restrict the Christmas period since we're locking down on boxing day anyway and probably a good lot of the people coming back here from the rest of the UK have done so this weekend.

[Giggles]

I meant it'll be the same in terms of the rush. Can't see Stormont banning it. I don't think they'll even restrict the Christmas period since we're locking down on boxing day anyway and probably a good lot of the people coming back here from the rest of the UK have done so this weekend.

Ah right. Not much we can do then when our emigrants can just fly or sail into Belfast and drive down the road then.

[Spikey M]

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[Don]

I didn't even mean just for Christmas. I meant overall. Not like I see my family often, since we live far away, but if my mother lived nearby, I would not spend nine months without seeing her. Complete madness.


My neighbor still leaves her packages outside for a few days before taking them into her apartment. :harold:

These fucking inbreds are here by the millions.

As we said back in March/April time, society's reluctance to let mature take its course on this is being shown up to be laughable. The final victory lap lol will be if the mutation leads to a vaccine failure.

Fucking open the clubs.

[Ian]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/18/teachers-seize-disco-equipment-12-year-old-boy-hosted-rave-school/

There's a 12 year old starting raves, mate, and he'll only be a little taller than you. Stop whining and take matters into your own hands.

[Giggles]

He didn’t do it just to gather a crowd for a target though.

[Baz]

Paying for the Telegraph? Cmon son.

[Ian]

:cab:

You don't have to pay for anything to see the headline.

[Dquincy]

They should try this herd immunisation thing I've read about.

[7om]

They should try this herd immunisation thing I've read about.

Is that where everyone uses the same needle?

[Giggles]

They should try this herd immunisation thing I've read about.

Might not have a choice soon by the sounds of it.

[Dquincy]

Being rather uneducated (in the field of science), I do wonder how much of this new virulent strain is down to the actual strain being easier to catch (as they're sternly telling us) or actually a reflection of people not being so careful with social distancing, going to work, going shopping, school being open, socialising and all that which makes the R value go up.

I presume it's a bit of both, but not a clue what the ratio split would be.

One thing for sure is we're currently the lepers of Europe.

[Baz]

Is that where everyone uses the same needle?

That's called Dundee.

[randomlegend]

Being rather uneducated (in the field of science), I do wonder how much of this new virulent strain is down to the actual strain being easier to catch (as they're sternly telling us) or actually a reflection of people not being so careful with social distancing, going to work, going shopping, school being open, socialising and all that which makes the R value go up.

I presume it's a bit of both, but not a clue what the ratio split would be.

One thing for sure is we're currently the lepers of Europe.

It's not thought to be more virulent, just more transmissible. Virulence basically refers to how unwell it makes people.

They are comparing spread of this strain against other strains over the same time period so the theory about poorer concordance with restrictions doesn't really make sense.

[Dquincy]

It's not thought to be more virulent, just more transmissible. Virulence basically refers to how unwell it makes people.

They are comparing spread of this strain against other strains over the same time period so the theory about poorer concordance with restrictions doesn't really make sense.

Told you I wasn't a scientist.

Thanks doc.

[Kikó]

Loads of countries have banned UK flights and the euro tunnel is closed for 48 hours. There goes any freight.

[Magic]

Shortages of everything ahoy.

Political decision 100%.

[Spikey M]

Decisions to close borders do tend to be taken by politicians.

[Shindig]

The Telegraph (they've been busy today) have sources saying the Oxford jab is being approved the week after Christmas.

[Boydy]

1340639083241025542

This thread is a laugh.

[Lewis]

I bet there isn't any 'confusion in Europe'.

[Dquincy]

Being rather uneducated (in the field of mathematics), I do wonder if they are able to up the estimated 500k vaccinations per week. Is it limited by availability of the current vaccine, logistics getting it to places, or people/centres to administer it?

[Don]

They'd struggle to cover-up the adverse cases if they go above that figure.

[randomlegend]

Being rather uneducated (in the field of mathematics), I do wonder if they are able to up the estimated 500k vaccinations per week. Is it limited by availability of the current vaccine, logistics getting it to places, or people/centres to administer it?

Vaccines are usually given under a PGD (basically a blanket prescription which covers all doses given in the UK). This one doesn't have a PGD yet so every dose needs an individual prescription and everybody having it needs to be consented. This takes about 10-15 minutes and requires a large number of registered prescribers (there aren't that many prescribers and they are mostly tied up doing their main job). This is what is slowing down the rate it can be given from what I've seen.

Once they get a PGD in place it'll start going much faster I think.

I think it's also only being given in hospitals at the moment because of the difficulties with storage; that will change when one of the other two vaccines comes into use.

[Spikey M]

Vaccines are usually given under a PGD (basically a blanket prescription which covers all doses given in the UK). This one doesn't have a PGD yet so every dose needs an individual prescription and everybody having it needs to be consented. This takes about 10-15 minutes and requires a large number of registered prescribers (there aren't that many prescribers and they are mostly tied up doing their main job). This is what is slowing down the rate it can be given from what I've seen.

Once they get a PGD in place it'll start going much faster I think.

I think it's also only being given in hospitals at the moment because of the difficulties with storage; that will change when one of the other two vaccines comes into use.

How long is that likely to take?

[randomlegend]

I have literally no idea. Where I'm working are filling prescribing shifts for the next month.

[Dquincy]

It can't happen soon enough.

I recall earlier this year a government spokesperson saying herd immunisation would need circa 70% of the population to have caught covid and have antibodies to be effective. This was before they realised the short-lived covid antibodies in most people.

But I'm presuming we won't need 70% to receive the vaccination before we get some sort of firm grip on this? My thinking is that if we can get the majority of 60+ and the vulnerable vaxed then things might start looking better. Not sure what percentage that would be mind.

I'm looking at you Dr Tory when I ponder this.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Suggesting Boris would use a supposed new variant as political cover is one thing, but surely Chris Whitty and that other bloke wouldn't get up and talk bollocks in that way?

[Magic]

It's in Italy. Unlucky, EU. :harold:

[Spikey M]

"Believing there's a new variant :harold:"

[Yevrah]

I'm no scientist etc. but the idea this variant or others that behave in the same way aren't present anywhere but England, is laughable. And if you were going to close borders chaps, you're about 12 months too late.

[Magic]

"Believing there's a new variant :harold:"

It isn't new.

[Spikey M]

Ah, so variants are possible but new ones aren't? Gotcha.

[Magic]

Not that hard is it.

[Dquincy]

I'm no scientist etc. but the idea this variant or others that behave in the same way aren't present anywhere but England, is laughable. And if you were going to close borders chaps, you're about 12 months too late.

Spot on. Absolutely no consistency with this by the governing nations.

[Jimmy Floyd]

According to this (https://twitter.com/kakape?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctw gr%5Eauthor) German bloke's twitter feed, the reason it's a 'UK variant' is that we have the best labs and scientists and are actually looking for variants, and having discovered one, actually reported it to WHO - unlike our Chinese friends this time last year.

Sometimes you can just be too world-beating for your own good.

[Spikey M]

1340588229309952000?s=19

[Yevrah]

I mean, he's right. It may have made no difference if they'd played with a straight bat from the off, but they didn't and that shouldn't be forgotten.

[Manc]

Always knew you were communist scum.

[Spikey M]

He's a Chinaman based in Brussels apparently. Nigels perfect storm.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've got European customers seething with fury, almost in tears of frustration today because the road transport isn't leaving the UK and they have to take all their orders by the more expensive air method. What do you want me to do, fellas, wave a magic wand and cure the virus? Should have ordered earlier.

[Don]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/21/epidemiologist-1918-flu-pandemic-roaring-20s-post-covid

Looks like our orgies are postponed till 2024 lads.

[Magic]

"Epidemiologist" is the modern equivalent of Quack for sure.

[Spikey M]

"The Roaring 20's" came about because America made a shit tonne of money during WW1, no?

[Boydy]

"Epidemiologist" is the modern equivalent of Quack for sure.
Do you have some sort of fetish for showing off how much of an idiot you are?

[Spikey M]

His autism is progressive.

[Magic]

Do you have some sort of fetish for showing off how much of an idiot you are?

They must, it's the only explanation.

[Don]

You can almost taste the angst in the air on TTH (and by extension, the country) today, look at the aggression and [above-average] negativity in each thread :drool:

You had it good whilst we were blowing ourselves/each other up in the muslim world but the chickens have come home to roost and the western man's inexperience with hardship will now take centre stage.

[Lewis]

This NEW STRAIN has got Lockdown II written all over it. And I mean the proper spring one, not the recent soft one. That should be fun in January/February.

[Yevrah]

Yep, we'll all be in tier 4 for a good couple of months from January I reckon.

[Magic]

Our Tier 4 is basically full LOCKDOWN ONE. Can't wait for Boxing Day. :drool:

[Spikey M]

Just stop cunting about and post out a load of the Oxford Vaccine in those shot glasses you used to get with foil lids.

[Yevrah]

They do need to up the pace, at 500k dosed in what, 2/3 weeks you're looking at about a year to run through enough of the population. We'll also inevitably get the good news 6 months in people who've had both doses of the current one months ago are now catching COVID again.

[randomlegend]

They do need to up the pace, at 500k dosed in what, 2/3 weeks you're looking at about a year to run through enough of the population. We'll also inevitably get the good news 6 months in people who've had both doses of the current one months ago are now catching COVID again.

It will speed up significantly once the doses don't need to be individually prescribed and one of the vaccines with easier storage conditions is approved.

[phonics]

I flew in the day before the UK got locked out of Europe. Not having to go to work next year is going to be sweet.

[Magic]

Unemployed?

[Manc]

Popped into the supermarket on lunch and my word was it heaving. Secured some milk and dashed.

[niko_cee]

It will speed up significantly once the doses don't need to be individually prescribed and one of the vaccines with easier storage conditions is approved.

It seems a bit mad that bureaucratic form-filling rules are proving any sort of impediment to vaccine distribution (or if not actually impeding it, making it exponentially more expensive).

I see the EU have just approved the Pfizer one. Nice one lads, finger on the pulse and all.

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EpsOmsBWwAAtwSh?format=png&name=4096x4096

The sun never sets etc.

[randomlegend]

It seems a bit mad that bureaucratic form-filling rules are proving any sort of impediment to vaccine distribution (or if not actually impeding it, making it exponentially more expensive).

I see the EU have just approved the Pfizer one. Nice one lads, finger on the pulse and all.

Prescriptions are a pretty big deal from a legal perspective so I can understand why they are needed until a PGD is sorted.

I don't understand the logistics behind a PGD but I agree you would've thought they had enough time to sort one whilst the vaccines were in development. Maybe they can't be done until after approval or something, I don't know.

[Baz]

Yep, we'll all be in tier 4 for a good couple of months from January I reckon.

Bring it on :drool:

[7om]

They do need to up the pace, at 500k dosed in what, 2/3 weeks you're looking at about a year to run through enough of the population. We'll also inevitably get the good news 6 months in people who've had both doses of the current one months ago are now catching COVID again.

As RL said, it will speed up significantly. The major hamstring right now is that Pfizer are trying to scale up production rapidly while more and more countries approve it. When Oxford and Moderna get approved we’ll be smashing through the immunisation programme. Wouldn’t be surprised to see the vast majority of the country vaccinated by Easter.

[Dquincy]

As RL said, it will speed up significantly. The major hamstring right now is that Pfizer are trying to scale up production rapidly while more and more countries approve it. When Oxford and Moderna get approved we’ll be smashing through the immunisation programme. Wouldn’t be surprised to see the vast majority of the country vaccinated by Easter.

I hope you're right, but there is close to 70 million people in the UK. That seems an awful lot to get through by Easter. Even if you do discount the kids, etc.

[Spikey M]

If they persevere with their plan to get all the pharmacies doing them and the supply chain can keep up, then we could rattle along pretty quickly.

[Kikó]

As RL said, it will speed up significantly. The major hamstring right now is that Pfizer are trying to scale up production rapidly while more and more countries approve it. When Oxford and Moderna get approved we’ll be smashing through the immunisation programme. Wouldn’t be surprised to see the vast majority of the country vaccinated by Easter.

All in time for the return of the dead as the scriptures predicted.

[Dquincy]

I note Zom didn't state which year.

[Dquincy]

This stopping of exports/imports at the French crossing really is bollocks. They're acting as if the new strain on appeared over the weekend. It's already in your country fellas.

[Lewis]

This hasn't really lived up to the billing.

[Lofty]

This stopping of exports/imports at the French crossing really is bollocks. They're acting as if the new strain on appeared over the weekend. It's already in your country fellas.

Almost as if France is using it as a demonstration of things to come during these Brexit talks.

[Lewis]

If they want a share of our natural resources then that includes viruses.

[niko_cee]

Prescriptions are a pretty big deal from a legal perspective so I can understand why they are needed until a PGD is sorted.

I don't understand the logistics behind a PGD but I agree you would've thought they had enough time to sort one whilst the vaccines were in development. Maybe they can't be done until after approval or something, I don't know.

As to the first bit, without having any knowledge of the field, wouldn't that be more to do with them being for illegal high drugs than for any vaccine relevant concern?

And yeah, you would have thought that if you can get regulatory approval on the fly whilst developing the thing you could also do the legal admin, but maybe not. Knowing lawyers, probably not.

[niko_cee]

Anyway, do we know what sort of covid President Biscuit has?

Would be quite lol if he has THE VARIANT.

[7om]

I hope you're right, but there is close to 70 million people in the UK. That seems an awful lot to get through by Easter. Even if you do discount the kids, etc.

It is a lot, but we're going to be pumping resources into this. They'll be drafting doctors, GPs, nurses, med students, pharmacists etc to immunise. Even if we can't get everyone done by then, we can probably cover all old people and co-morbidities. Maybe finish up with young and healthy people by summer at the latest. I'm confident.

[Raoul Duke]

It is a lot, but we're going to be pumping resources into this. They'll be drafting doctors, GPs, nurses, med students, pharmacists etc to immunise. Even if we can't get everyone done by then, we can probably cover all old people and co-morbidities. Maybe finish up with young and healthy people by summer at the latest. I'm confident.

It's a big downward curve as well right? Loads more ancient fuckers about so by working oldest -> youngest you smash through the risk curve quite quickly

[Manc]

Bless the optimism.

[Dquincy]

7om, you are what I needed right now. And for that, I thank you. You're welcome round my Tier 4 infested house for Christmas Dinner if you wish.

[Spikey M]

It's a new vaccine, but the majority of risk groups are the same people we give the flu jab every year. We really should be getting this done double quick.

[Lewis]

Once all the pensioners and write-offs are done (which is what a third of the country at most?) you could lift most restrictions.

[Andy]

Once all the pensioners and write-offs are done (which is what a third of the country at most?) you could lift most restrictions.

Surely at that point we can lift all restrictions. Its not going to be killing any once they're all vaccinated.

[7om]

It's a big downward curve as well right? Loads more ancient fuckers about so by working oldest -> youngest you smash through the risk curve quite quickly

In terms of risk, I think this is right. Once we get the vulnerable out the way we hopefully will massively cut hospital admissions and deaths. Then when we immunise the left over population we can see case numbers come down. That’s my guess anyway.

[Lewis]

Everything but the clubs.

[Kikó]

Keep the clubs closed forever.

[Spikey M]

Surely at that point we can lift all restrictions. Its not going to be killing any once they're all vaccinated.

I'm not so sure on that front. It will be better, but Long Covid is still fucking over a lot of young people and they won't want a load of 20-30 somethings with 60 year old hearts and lungs.

[Kikó]

I'm day 5 post covid test and still no results. Outstanding. (Everyone else was negative so minor point)

[Spikey M]

The drama when it turns out you have it. :happycry:

[Giggles]

I’d back him still travelling.

[Kikó]

Got no where else to travel at this point. Super spreading event is complete.

[Kikó]

Other than the loss of taste and smell and regular coughing, I haven't felt anything like covid symptoms.

[Offshore Toon]

I had my sixth test today. Every negative result is another huge 'fuck you' to Beijing. Warring China from early pays, kids.

[niko_cee]

See you guys hit 1000 cases today :hat:.

[Shindig]

Anyway, do we know what sort of covid President Biscuit has?

Would be quite lol if he has THE VARIANT.

Biological warfare :drool:

[Offshore Toon]

We did indeed. The ministers have gone above and beyond and if they have any self-awareness they'll all move away once this all dies down.

[Don]

2 good pieces of info from BBC News@10:

- a prison guard meeting inmates for just 1 minute managed to infect them so even short time exposure isn't safe (previous info talked of 15 minute exposure as being some arbitrary guideline).

- a diner in a South Korean restaurant managed to infect two fellow diners who were sitting 4m and 6m away due to air circulation vaused by A/C. If this is the end of A/C, COVID continues to give us wins upon wins :cool:

[niko_cee]

I thought the prison guard was infected by one of the prisoners, but that whole segment was more confusing than a government approved tier system.

[Don]

Yeah I thought that might have been the case, I was only half-watching but I then thought it would have made more sense if the guard had infected multiple inmates rather than simply ome guard being infected. The lesson here is, don't try and assume this shit :face:

[Boydy]

1341149865569640450

:uhoh:

[Dquincy]

The government's previous forecasts haven't been so hot, so I'd take that with a rather large pinch of salt.

[Don]

The modellinghas been faultless on this from day 1, especially the worst-case scenarios. Close the clubs.

[Lewis]

'Some in Govt asking' as if there wasn't obvious acceptance that Christmas was worth a few thousand deaths.

[Dquincy]

Jihadi Don coming in with the sarcasm. I like it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

700,000 a week would be 3 million a month, i.e. 1 in 22 people to get it just in that month. That sounds like a lot to me.

[Magic]

700,000 a week would be 3 million a month, i.e. 1 in 22 people to get it just in that month. That sounds like a lot to me.

Then why lock down at all. Clubs, please.

[Giggles]

We’re shutting up hotels and restaurants from Christmas Eve again, inter county travel ban from Stephen’s Day, and the UK travel ban into New Years.