Coronavirus Death Thread

[Boydy]

Hasn't a load of finance stuff moved to Amsterdam as well?

[Spikey M]

Shit is going to change big time. We've just chucked borders up with our biggest trading partner and royally pissed them off in the process. Plus, it is entirely in their interest to make us suffer. If we leave and everything's fine then Grexit, Frexit, and who knows what else will gain traction.

So yeah, business and travel will suffer for a bit. Eventually things will soften. They still need our trade both export and import, but we're still going to need to change. We'll basically need to create a new economy over the next 50 years.

[niko_cee]

Those number for farming are laughable, what is that, £100m annually before brexit? That's half a Haaland for fuck's sake. They've never been interested in buying our stuff anyway. Drink English wine (we really should, at least the white stuff, and get the red from the [former] colonies).

Of course it's a massive ballache to deal with a lot of the shit, that's the nature of a protectionist racket.

Although, to be honest, at a local level the Europeans (French) are as pissed off with the new barriers as anyone - mostly on fishing in our [very local] context. Eventually sense will be seen. It's pretty obvious the ever closer union mob are losing their grip on things in Zee Bloc right now, just watch the fall out from a French general election next year (let alone the bloodbath that the German one promises to be).

[Boydy]

Did we have a proper Brexit thread before? I can't remember.

Anyway, (part of) Belfast is kicking off tonight.

[Lewis]

Theresa May had it deleted on her last day to save Floyd any future embarrassment.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I read through the referendum thread recently and I actually did pretty well. What a night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAjlNjdjN-U

Still go back and watch this sometimes to warm the cockles.

[Lewis]

How is Keith Vaz only sixty-four? I would genuinely have guessed closer to eighty, the absolute lowlife.

[Lofty]

Absorbing the stem cells of rent boys via anal penetration, I suspect.

[niko_cee]

France bowling in with 60k cases today?

:eek:

[Spikey M]

Their vaccine rollout appears to have been "quasi-ineffective".

[Lewis]

https://i.imgur.com/XjdlzvL.gif

Italian deaths are roaring back as well.

[Mellberg]

France being French.

[Spikey M]

At some point he's going to have to come out and say "look, lads, I've fucked it. Please get the scumbag, shitty, 100% effective British vaccine before we surpass their deaths and they end up donning me on every front."

Or they'll just wait for the Moderna vaccine and pretend it's 112% effective.

Either way.

[Lewis]

I read that the Italians are actually rolling it out quite well, but, being Italian, they've come up with some stupid system where civil servants (which is probably half the country) are prioritised over seventy year olds.

[Queenslander]

Im booked in for the AZ jab on the 27th. Myself and the missus are the only people I know who are getting it everyone else is certain that the side effects arent worth the effort.

[Don]

They couldn't pay to send a few apples to all those hungry kids but the money tree now has enough to send a couple of testing kits to every melt every week?

I also heard some actor say their shows in July will require audience members to wear masks. I was under the impression we could stop bending over backwards for the soft shites from 21 June, are masks staying?

[Queenslander]

Dorks love larping in their custom made masks I assume you have dorks making these decisions?

[Spikey M]

They couldn't pay to send a few apples to all those hungry kids but the money tree now has enough to send a couple of testing kits to every melt every week?

I also heard some actor say their shows in July will require audience members to wear masks. I was under the impression we could stop bending over backwards for the soft shites from 21 June, are masks staying?

Apples don't grow on trees you know, dickhead.

[Yevrah]

Why exactly are we proposing EVERYONE be tested twice weekly? Does this include people who've been vaccinated?

[Spikey M]

I'm long past trying to make sense of it.

It's all bollocks and I'm not doing it.

[Yevrah]

For me, there are four stages left to this.

1) Finish the vaccination roll out.
2) Understand how often people need boosters and schedule that
3) Stick some people in a cupboard with access to whatever they need to monitor VARIANTS
4) Stop listening to THE SCIENCE

[Mellberg]

Same. I'll have my jabs whenever I'm offered and that's me done.

[Andy]

Been working solidly in and out of peoples houses for the last year and now when were down to 10 deaths per day with all the vulnerable people vaccinated I'm offered regular testing. All makes so little sense.

[Yevrah]

It's worrying in a way, as it sort of implies we're going to be doing the Hokey Cokey with this virus for far longer than should be necessary, and fuck only knows what that might involve.

Testing people twice weekly is a staggering waste of money, but doesn't really impact me in my day to day life. Bringing in bollocks restrictions around the roadmap might well do though.

[Shindig]

Aye, jabs and passport for me. Although testing's needed to monitor variants, a sweep of the country feels like a waste of resources.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Trying to test everyone twice a week is quite simple - zero covid by the back door.

Have been going out to work for a year and never been tested. I am not taking a test unless I have symptoms.

[Baz]

It's worrying in a way, as it sort of implies we're going to be doing the Hokey Cokey with this virus for far longer than should be necessary, and fuck only knows what that might involve.

Testing people twice weekly is a staggering waste of money, but doesn't really impact me in my day to day life. Bringing in bollocks restrictions around the roadmap might well do though.
Not to mention the amount of plastic waste.

[Shindig]

And reading it, nothing really changes. There's enough for everyone but not everyone will test. We're testing in the office from next week onwards and I can only see schools and workplaces being where testing really happens. That's where the outbreaks tend to happen anyway.

[Waffdon]

Happy haircut day, troops

[Don]

Just got an online NHS advert about keeping casual kickabouts to 6 people to help keep us safe. But of course, if you're paying money to hire a pitch feel free to get 30 of you on there and renact scenes from a swingers party.

[Spikey M]

Aye, jabs and passport for me. Although testing's needed to monitor variants, a sweep of the country feels like a waste of resources.

There is zero need for the passport. The unvaccinated are not a risk to the vaccinated.

[Yevrah]

There is zero need for the passport. The unvaccinated are not a risk to the vaccinated.

While I agree, what's driving this is more interesting to me.

Zero COVID is one take, but we'll never accomplish that as long as the borders are as open as they are.

[mo]

Trying to test everyone twice a week is quite simple - zero covid by the back door.

Didn't think we were doing anal swabs here :confused:

[Spikey M]

While I agree, what's driving this is more interesting to me.

Zero COVID is one take, but we'll never accomplish that as long as the borders are as open as they are.

They're expecting a traffic light system for holidays to be announced tonight, which as you say runs completely contrary to Zero Covid.

I wonder if it's as simple as them starting to bump into the AntiVaxx / vaccine hesitant part of society. The 60+ mob were all desperate for the vaccine, but the under 50's are alot less keen and alot less likely to consider the perceived risk:reward ratio worth while. Could this just be a way of addressing that by layering on enough inconvenience?

"No jab lads? OK... can I see proof of your negative test within 48 hours of this event then please? Your result isn't back yet? Off you go home then mate."

[Yevrah]

Think you've nailed it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Polling would contradict that viewpoint. All age groups gagging for the vaccine.

It's just yet more unnecessary authoritarianism because some doctor behind the scenes will have told them it would be the best way of getting rid of outbreaks. Which it would, but at less than 3,000 cases a day and well over 50% vaxed, who cares.

[Shindig]

There is zero need for the passport. The unvaccinated are not a risk to the vaccinated.

You still need a way of telling someone in authority you're jabbed. International travel's the only place it should really be required and there's no way the airport testing would be enough to handle a Heathrow in full operation. The yanks won't let you in without a negative test within 72 hours, a jab or proof of a prior infection.

[Spikey M]

Polling would contradict that viewpoint. All age groups gagging for the vaccine.

It's just yet more unnecessary authoritarianism because some doctor behind the scenes will have told them it would be the best way of getting rid of outbreaks. Which it would, but at less than 3,000 cases a day and well over 50% vaxed, who cares.

It's probably multifaceted. There are pockets of resistance amongst the effniks and the blood clot stuff has caused worry for many. I can't imagine twisting those arms onto needles isn't seen as a nice Brucey, even if it's not at the forefront of why they're doing it.

[Spikey M]

You still need a way of telling someone in authority you're jabbed. International travel's the only place it should really be required and there's no way the airport testing would be enough to handle a Heathrow in full operation. The yanks won't let you in without a negative test within 72 hours, a jab or proof of a prior infection.

International travel is fair game, I'm talking about having to show my credentials to get into Primark.

[Reg]

I am not taking a test unless I have symptoms.
Can I ask why?

I've found myself looking forward to June 17th and thinking how surreal it might be seeing previously normal things coming back. How long will it be before handshakes become common? Hugs in public?

In Brighton yesterday a few people on and near the beach were probably breaking the rules but not pushing it ridiculously. I think people will mostly be willing to follow the rules until June but if the timeline gets pushed back there'll likely be a big rebellion.

Some people are not going to want to do anything for a year or more (or never), though.

[Spikey M]

I can't speak for Jim, but I'm not doing it because I want this shit behind me. I don't want to have to think about Covid before I do anything anymore and I can't see any reason why I should.

The case numbers are low. The deaths at insignificant levels and with the vaccine already protecting the vulnerable a national door handle lickathon wouldn't change that.

It's April 2021, not April 2020 and people need to stop pretending otherwise. There is no reason to indulge this Nanny State shite and I won't be doing so.

[Shindig]

On the one hand, if I was positive, I'd want to know. I don't want to test without symptoms, though.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Can I ask why?

32 million people have been vaccinated. I'm not voluntarily putting myself up for 2 weeks of needless self isolation (via false positive or via asymptomatic carrying) unless there would actually be some benefit from my doing so.

In my local authority area the population is 136,000 and the latest number is 29 positive cases in the last week. There ain't much spread going on and where there is, no one will die from it unless they are unlucky on an odds scale that we all ride every day.

[7om]

Racaniello: I am not worried at all that this virus is going to out-evolve vaccines. People have been looking at it the wrong way. People have been looking at antibodies. People say, “ah, the variants are less susceptible to antibodies. But, you know what? They are ignoring T cells. It turns out, none of the variants have changes that would impact the ability of the T cells to kill an infected cell. The Johnson & Johnson (JNJ) - Get Report vaccine turns out to be 100% effective at preventing hospitalizations and deaths in South Africa…. I just saw an article today that showed that the U.K. variant ... made no difference in the outbreak in the U.K. It made no difference. The people who know, they are not worrying that the vaccines are going to be compromised by a variant. That’s what I can say with certainty.

https://www.thestreet.com/latest-news/there-are-no-covid-super-strains-yet-says-virologist-vincent-racaniello

:drool:

[Magic]

No testing and no vaccine for me. :drool:

[Lewis]

Eight-thousand fans in Wembley will be worse than no fans. It will sound like those old women's matches where they used to give tickets to schools.

[Don]

Sauna exclusion doesn't seem to state when it ends.

Fuck it, it's time to take things into my own hands.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SMAUTOP-Four-Layer-Insulation-Waterproof-Generator/dp/B08DD36PTJ/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=Home+Sauna&qid=1617640254&sr=8-3

[Shindig]

Absolutely go for that. :D

[Don]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B081NZ4BWG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_imm_SYXFN7S32FDX3DPJ9YE8

Shame this one's sold out.

[Spikey M]

:D

[Offshore Toon]

https://i.ibb.co/68ctMtG/image.png

Just over a month till sauna raves. :drool:

[Yevrah]

Hang on, so we have to wear masks in pubs and Taz has to wear one in the Sauna?

[Baz]

What are covid passports, please?

[Lewis]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B081NZ4BWG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_imm_SYXFN7S32FDX3DPJ9YE8

Shame this one's sold out.

That just looks like elaborate foot porn.

[niko_cee]

https://i.ibb.co/68ctMtG/image.png

Just over a month till sauna raves. :drool:

Is that Jersey?

The way you seem to be going about things is absolutely mental. Why isn't everything open now, don't you have like no cases? Just seems really weird you don't just squash it and then reopen internally.

[Kikó]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B081NZ4BWG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_imm_SYXFN7S32FDX3DPJ9YE8

Shame this one's sold out.

Why would you want someone's feet in your sauna bliss?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Footjob.

[Reg]

I can't speak for Jim, but I'm not doing it because I want this shit behind me. I don't want to have to think about Covid before I do anything anymore and I can't see any reason why I should.

The case numbers are low. The deaths at insignificant levels and with the vaccine already protecting the vulnerable a national door handle lickathon wouldn't change that.

It's April 2021, not April 2020 and people need to stop pretending otherwise. There is no reason to indulge this Nanny State shite and I won't be doing so.


32 million people have been vaccinated. I'm not voluntarily putting myself up for 2 weeks of needless self isolation (via false positive or via asymptomatic carrying) unless there would actually be some benefit from my doing so.

In my local authority area the population is 136,000 and the latest number is 29 positive cases in the last week. There ain't much spread going on and where there is, no one will die from it unless they are unlucky on an odds scale that we all ride every day.
Gotcha. I understand those points of view.

Don’t get the comment re asymptomatic carrying though, given that you can spread the virus when asymptomatic.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Yeah, but to who?

[Spikey M]

The French.

[Bob Sacamano]

1379164124232437761

:drool:

[Shindig]

Put me in, coach. :(

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've got that game on in the background atm, they've spent the whole time booing their shite team getting clubbed around the park.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I see 2 masks.

[Spikey M]

*pussies

[Offshore Toon]

Is that Jersey?

The way you seem to be going about things is absolutely mental. Why isn't everything open now, don't you have like no cases? Just seems really weird you don't just squash it and then reopen internally.
The ministers are far more useless than previously thought. We just copy the UK. Besides, there isn't much time for discussing policies when half the States are being outed as pedos (especially when it's the Children's and Education Minister).

[Spikey M]

You've been locked down with no cases? :D

[Shindig]

I assume they're getting plenty of vaccines as well?

[Queenslander]

The Kiwis have agreed to a travel bubble with us.

Bring on the Rugby!

[niko_cee]

The ministers are far more useless than previously thought. We just copy the UK. Besides, there isn't much time for discussing policies when half the States are being outed as pedos (especially when it's the Children's and Education Minister).

Is that what that Macon guy is accused of? Always looked an absolute wrong'un with that hair. lol if he was hunted by that resident maniac of yours.


You've been locked down with no cases? :D

Basically. Think they have 5 cases at the moment and seem to have been tracking at a few new cases every other day of so for months. I know lockdown would be suppressing spread, but I just don't get why they won't get it shifted ['zero covid' is somewhat more achievable in a contained environment] and then reopen.


I assume they're getting plenty of vaccines as well?

Yep, well past 50 per 100 on that front.

[Queenslander]

Fingers crossed covid doesnt tear through PNG. :(


Man from Papua New Guinea dies in Queensland hospital from COVID-19 complications

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-06/queensland-coronavirus-death-png/100048706

[Yevrah]

Another morning, another rent-a-gob scientist spreading CONCERN and FEAR where there should be none.


Former chief scientific adviser to the government, Prof Sir Mark Walport, tells BBC Breakfast: "It's clear that we're making good progress along the road map, and it's entirely appropriate that the first set of restrictions are being relaxed, so that makes very good sense indeed.

"But we're a long way from taking the brakes off completely."

He said the situation in France, which currently has more than 39,000 new cases a day, showed the virus was "still very much around".

He said that by June "the numbers are going to be really important here".

However, any further wave of infection was likely to be different from the first, he said.

"It's likely to be different from the first one because we know that the vaccines are very good at keeping people out of hospital and stopping people dying. And that's why it's important to really focus on what the data at the time are actually showing

I'll wait for Kik's and Shinners to agree with him and then dissect this total nonsense.

[Shindig]

Some Sky woman was screaming to Boris yesterday about how Chile's vaccine rollout is better than ours but they've just locked down. 20%'s fully vaccinated but they're at half the adult population jabbed. Have a word with Sinopharm, lads.

[John Arne]

Is the UK still letting people fly in and out freely?

[Jimmy Floyd]

We have quarantines now and it's BANNED to leave the country except for work.

[Queenslander]

Welcome aboard.

[Shindig]

We're testing arrivals at airports, too. Whitty had a slide on the VARIANTS that testing was picking up.

[Queenslander]

What is the most common variant in Britain?

[Shindig]

Princess Covid of Kent.

[John Arne]

Odds on me getting back for Christmas... 200/1?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Odds on me getting back for Christmas... 200/1?

Assuming Vietnam doesn't go to shit, I'd give you a >50% chance.

[Jimmy Floyd]

What is the most common variant in Britain?

Everything is B117

[Spikey M]

Odds on me getting back for Christmas... 200/1?

You'll be on the green list I imagine, so you could fly over in May with no quarantine. Your only barrier would be whatever restrictions Vietnam have in place.

[Queenslander]

Everything is B117

That doesnt survive in Brisbane conditions.

Edit: We also have an incredible amount of anti vaxers

[Offshore Toon]

Is that what that Macon guy is accused of? Always looked an absolute wrong'un with that hair. lol if he was hunted by that resident maniac of yours.

Basically. Think they have 5 cases at the moment and seem to have been tracking at a few new cases every other day of so for months. I know lockdown would be suppressing spread, but I just don't get why they won't get it shifted ['zero covid' is somewhat more achievable in a contained environment] and then reopen.
It was the resident maniac, yeah. Kevin Pamplin is in trouble too. Makes you wonder if Oscar Puffin is next.

We shut down because we had a shitload of cases, then they've been slow to reopen, but the pubs have been open with food for weeks now. There was no real thirst for opening in January and we'd only just managed to get the cases down by that point, then by 22nd Feb we were back in the pubs with meals. Pubs opened properly on Friday just gone.

There are rumours of a spike of about 20 or so over the weekend due to uni students being bellends, but as long as it stays around 20 I doubt anything will change. People aren't taking it very seriously over here so I can see why there'd be a concern that zero COVID isn't possible.

[7om]

More bullshit on BBC now. Some guy saying we don’t know the effectiveness of the vaccines. They’re being deliberately dishonest now.

[Magic]

Desperate to stay relevant. Desperate to get £750 per vaccine. Shower of corrupt cunts.

[Yevrah]

Effect of vaccines on transmission still not fully known - scientist
As we've reported, government scientific advisers have warned that eventual indoor mixing is "highly likely" to lead to a resurgence in hospitalisations and deaths in the UK.

Asked about the predictions of a third wave, Prof Graham Medley, a member of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "It really just depends upon the impact of vaccination, particularly on transmission, so whether or not people can get infected and pass the virus on. And we just don't know that."

He said it was still unclear what effect the vaccine rollout would have on the course of the pandemic in three or four months' time.

"The only thing we can be sure of is that we don't know exactly what is going to happen - but we do know that, because the vaccine isn't 100% effective, there will be some transmission, and there will be some breakthrough of immunity."

Asked if mask-wearing and social distancing would have to continue past the end of 21 June, he said: "Yes, so the amount of infection and death is dependent upon not only the vaccine, but also what it is that people actually do.

"And then that's related to the policies that are put in place.

"Both of those are uncertain - both the policies but also then how people behave with the policies - so it's quite likely that we will have to see some kind of measures to reduce transmission for a long time."

Jesus.

I can feel another e-victory coming with my scepticism of the SCIENCE. Either this professor is incompetent or lying. Either way, we need to stop listening to these people and stop now.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They're doing what scientists always do. They're just not used to the ramifications of their words/thoughts being used to directly influence the immediate freedoms of 100% of the population.

[7om]

I want one of them to explain HOW a fully vaccinated population that is allowed to mix will cause a resurgence in hospitalisations and deaths. We might see a small bump in numbers and I think society can and will accept that. But to suggest we are ever going to see numbers like we’ve had before is deliberately dishonest.

[Yevrah]

They're doing what scientists always do. They're just not used to the ramifications of their words/thoughts being used to directly influence the immediate freedoms of 100% of the population.

I think, as many smart people do, you're giving them credit where it isn't due, because SCIENCE. I don't know why they're saying these things, but you could send Caprice into bat against them again and if she could formulate a coherent argument she'd win it. Take a moment to let it sink in just how mad that is.

[Yevrah]

I want one of them to explain HOW a fully vaccinated population that is allowed to mix will cause a resurgence in hospitalisations and deaths. We might see a small bump in numbers and I think society can and will accept that. But to suggest we are ever going to see numbers like we’ve had before is deliberately dishonest.

The narrative that started weeks ago was interchangeably using the effectiveness of the vaccine against all forms of illness against those that cause death.

It's just plain wrong and it's not the government driving this, it's SCIENCE. One could argue that the government should take more control, but we live in a country where SCIENCE can't be questioned, so we are where we are.

[Kikó]

SCIENCE has been questioned throughout the last year.

[Yevrah]

SCIENCE has been questioned throughout the last year.

It hasn't anywhere near enough. We have interview after interview, report after report on the BBC and elsewhere that at best contain factually incorrect information and at worst, outright lies. Barely a peep is raised against it and it keeps being published. No other walk of life gets off that lightly.

Hell, you're still defending it.

[Spikey M]

It's not being questioned because it's deliberate. They need people worried so they'll follow the rules and get the vaccine, but on the flip side of the coin they need enough good news to have a light at the end of the tunnel.

In reality we're pretty much out of the tunnel and into the light, but that's not a message that will keep the great unwashed compliant.

[Yevrah]

It's not being questioned because it's deliberate. They need people worried so they'll follow the rules and get the vaccine, but on the flip side of the coin they need enough good news to have a light at the end of the tunnel.

In reality we're pretty much out of the tunnel and into the light, but that's not a message that will keep the great unwashed compliant.

Makes no sense. If you're telling people we're still going to have x thousand deaths with a vaccine how will that compel people to get one? Surely the message should be, if we all get vaccinated then this thing is done, if we don't then hello again to restrictions. France being an absolute case in point for this. But instead of pointing to them and highlighting they're in a third wave because of their shambolic vaccine rollout we're pointing to them and saying "IT'S COMING RIGHT FOR US".

Sure, scare people into getting a vaccine by threatening them with passports, but don't then contradict that by saying "well, actually, we're not sure how effective vaccines are at stopping deaths".

[Yevrah]

I suppose there is an argument to say that the vaccinated would run wild if you were honest about how effective they are, but my guess (based on anecdotal evidence admittedly) is that they already are.

[7om]

These guys spouting this crap don’t represent the SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY well at all. We’ve been told for over a year now that the vaccine is the way out of this. We’ve donned the development and rollout and now they’re saying we’re unsure.

I worked in vaccine development for eight years. This ain’t how you engage people in vaccination programs by constantly creating undue doubt.

[Yevrah]

These guys spouting this crap don’t represent the SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY well at all.

They do not. For me, the people working on the vaccines have shown what science can do and why it is marvellous. The rest of them, working on the SCIENCE, have and continue to be, a shower of shit.

[Spikey M]

I suppose there is an argument to say that the vaccinated would run wild if you were honest about how effective they are, but my guess (based on anecdotal evidence admittedly) is that they already are.

I think this is what it is. It's great news but they're probably wishing they'd held back the "100% effective at stopping severe cases" bit.

I agree with what 7om has just said though. Walking it back just adds more fuel to antivaxx fire. You can't lead with "it's pukka" then adjust your position to "Well.... it might be a little bit shit, we dunno, lol." Because people have started hugging their grandchildren again.

[Kikó]

It hasn't anywhere near enough. We have interview after interview, report after report on the BBC and elsewhere that at best contain factually incorrect information and at worst, outright lies. Barely a peep is raised against it and it keeps being published. No other walk of life gets off that lightly.

Hell, you're still defending it.

I'm not defending anything. There hasn't been one 'scientific' approach taken throughout the pandemic that has not been scrutinized, from locking down to transmission. You name it, people have questioned it and governments have acted in a way they have thought appropriately.

Talking heads on media outlets doesn't mean SCIENCE is not questioned.

[7om]

Meanwhile:


A senior official from the European Medicines Agency (EMA) has told an Italian daily it is “clear” that there is a link between the AstraZeneca vaccine and a rare form of blood clot but that the cause is still not known

30 cases in 18 million doses given in the UK. My rudimentary mathematics tells me that is 1 in 600,000. I do wonder if AstraZeneca regret getting into this game. They will probably end up saving hundreds of thousands of lives across the world and all anybody does is piss and moan and tell them they’re shit. What a world we live in.

[Kikó]

What's the issue with them doing their job? Advising there is a link doesn't mean that it doesn't become an accepted risk of the vaccine.

[7om]

What's the issue with them doing their job? Advising there is a link doesn't mean that it doesn't become an accepted risk of the vaccine.

Well it hasn’t been accepted. Off the top of my head I can think of the Netherlands, France, Germany, Spain, Italy and Canada who have all either paused administration or placed restrictions on its use. 1 in 600,000 risk. There’s more chance of me getting killed driving to the vaccine centre.

At every turn they are damaging an extremely important vaccination programme.

[Yevrah]

What's the issue with them doing their job? Advising there is a link doesn't mean that it doesn't become an accepted risk of the vaccine.

This is an example of what I'm getting at. Your first response to anything said by anyone in scientific community is to defend them. That isn't scrutiny.

[Kikó]

The type of clot is abnormally high in the age group which appears to be because of the vaccine. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be investigated and determine the appropriate action.

[7om]

The type of clot is abnormally high in the age group which appears to be because of the vaccine. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be investigated and determine the appropriate action.

Responses have to be proportionate. If this was a 1 in 1,000 or 10,000 I’d be right there with you. But it isn’t anywhere near that level of risk. We’ve got people not turning up for vaccine appointments because of worry. We’ve got countries putting restrictions on the vaccine left, right and centre and some politicians using as a point-scoring exercise.

This vaccine should be given to all adults. It’s as simple as that.

[Kikó]

Agree - the risk is incredibly small and that message should be clear.

[Don]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/06/israel-and-chile-both-led-on-covid-jabs-so-why-is-one-back-in-lockdown

We need to slow down or else we could end up like Chile. Major drivers like if the AZ vaccine turns out to be less effective at reducing infection are being ignored.

Put back the saunas till September. 2026.

[Yevrah]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/06/israel-and-chile-both-led-on-covid-jabs-so-why-is-one-back-in-lockdown

We need to slow down or else we could end up like Chile. Major drivers like if the AZ vaccine turns out to be less effective at reducing infection are being ignored.

Put back the saunas till September. 2026.

It's as if they're aiming this at me now.


But the UK can easily blow it. Prof Chris Whitty, England’s chief medical officer, has said there will definitely be another surge in coronavirus when the UK comes out of lockdown. What is unclear is how bad the resurgence will be and when it will peak. Documents released on Monday by the government’s Sage experts suggest a third wave could peak in late July or August, with one pessimistic but plausible scenario anticipating a situation as severe as that experienced in January when half of all UK Covid deaths occurred. A major driver for that bleak outcome would be if the AstraZeneca vaccine turns out to be less effective at reducing infection, limiting its impact on the spread of the disease.

I'm going to lose my shit.

[Yevrah]

Who have Chile actually given the vaccine to?

They're well behind us in the first place (circa 10%), but this article from Amnesty suggests they weren't prioritising the at risk groups, which would explain everything.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2021/02/chile-plan-nacional-debe-incluir-vacunas-contra-covid-para-todas/

Staggering all these articles have gone to town on Chile without taking either of the two potential factors above into account.

[Yevrah]

Guardian again seems to suggest they were vaccinating the right people:

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/feb/28/chile-covid-inoculations-vaccines-strategy

I will get to the bottom of this.

[Yevrah]

Right.

Chile has recorded an increased number of cases that is significant.


Nearly half of the South American country’s population has received at least one vaccine dose, but on Friday, Chile recorded 7,626 new cases over a 24-hour period – the highest total at any point during the pandemic – and it is now approaching 1m cases in total.

More than 80% of the country’s 19 million inhabitants, including all residents of the capital, Santiago, have been put under a strict lockdown that prevents them leaving the house even to buy groceries or pharmacy supplies this weekend. During the week, each person is allowed two short-term permits to leave the house to buy essentials and can exercise outdoors between 7am and 8.30am. Only 169 intensive care beds remain available nationwide – an occupancy rate of more than 95%.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/mar/28/chile-coronavirus-lockdowns-vaccination-success

But, the deaths haven't particularly followed suit yet:

https://i.postimg.cc/sD9rzWWj/Chile.png (https://postimages.org/)

And, while this article is a little old, Chile don't/didn't have enough intensive care beds for an ageing population anyway.


Moreover, the progressive ageing of the population due to declining birth rates and an increasing life expectancy (OECD), together with the increasing complexity of medicine, have raised the demand for intensive care beds in the country.
This has led to a sustained growth in critical care beds, still insufficient for the increasing population and complexity.

https://healthmanagement.org/c/icu/issuearticle/a-glance-at-intensive-care-medicine-in-chile

So I think what we're seeing here is a move from the Chilean government out of an abundance of caution rather than a wholesale failure of their vaccination rollout which is being reported by our bed-wetters here.

[Lewis]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9438829/Family-Captain-Tom-raised-39m-NHS-want-exhibit-possessions.html

A hundred wanks. Set fire to a hundred pounds. We need more guidance.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Haircut on Saturday. Cannot wait for this greasy mess to get chopped.

[Yevrah]

My cynical side is in overdrive at the moment, but the family are trousering it in something rotten, aren't they?

[Yevrah]

And we've shat the bed now too it seems.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56656356


A trial of the Oxford-AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine on children has been paused while the UK's medicines regulator investigates a possible link with rare blood clots in adults.

I thought we'd investigated this?

[Baz]

The order for giving out vaccinations is utterly bizarre. Why are people who sell glasses in an opticians getting both their jabs before teachers have any?

[Lewis]

They have more contact with people liable to die from it.

[Pepe]

I'm getting my vaccine today. If you don't see me later, just know that I love some of you.

[Andrew]

Not enough people dying from covid to keep the fear going so now so let's scare them over the vaccine.

Just fuckoff.

If I have to listen to that melt Drakeford drone on about a possible rise in cases possibly sometime never in the near/far future, I'll be marching on the Senedd armed with a fucking pitch fork..

[Shindig]

Bit much, mate.

[niko_cee]

Discounting the obvious answer, how do France go from 60,000 new cases a day to sub 10,000 in a matter of hours/days?

Is it all just made up?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've been trying to think for ages what Drakeford reminds me of, and I think it's the Stink Spirit from Spirited Away.


https://youtu.be/lt6xG4E9a4E

[Spikey M]

Discounting the obvious answer, how do France go from 60,000 new cases a day to sub 10,000 in a matter of hours/days?

Is it all just made up?

Bank Holiday numbers, maybe?

[Ian]

Didn't expect an anime reference out of Jimmy.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I am culturally rounded, erm, sensei? Pal.

[Manc]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/06/england-covid-vaccine-programme-could-slow-sharply-sage-warns

[Spikey M]

Lol

[Shindig]

Discounting the obvious answer, how do France go from 60,000 new cases a day to sub 10,000 in a matter of hours/days?

Is it all just made up?

Their numbers always looked to me like they were reported 4 days out of 7 or something. So they peak and plummet loads.

[7om]

Are these Sage arseholes optimistic about anything? All I hear out of them is negativity and doomsday projections. Fucking sick of them.

[Shindig]

They've said this when we're rolling out the Moderna vaccine from today. :D

[Manc]

7om needs the saunas more than Don at this point.

[Baz]

I am culturally rounded, erm, sensei? Pal.

Chihiro the kitten incoming! :nod:

[Kikó]

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine-ema-finds-possible-link-very-rare-cases-unusual-blood-clots-low-blood

AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine: EMA finds possible link to very rare cases of unusual blood clots with low blood platelets

News 07/04/2021
EMA confirms overall benefit-risk remains positive
EMA’s safety committee (PRAC) has concluded today that unusual blood clots with low blood platelets should be listed as very rare side effects of Vaxzevria (formerly COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca).

In reaching its conclusion, the committee took into consideration all currently available evidence, including the advice from an ad hoc expert group.

EMA is reminding healthcare professionals and people receiving the vaccine to remain aware of the possibility of very rare cases of blood clots combined with low levels of blood platelets occurring within 2 weeks of vaccination. So far, most of the cases reported have occurred in women under 60 years of age within 2 weeks of vaccination. Based on the currently available evidence, specific risk factors have not been confirmed.

People who have received the vaccine should seek medical assistance immediately if they develop symptoms of this combination of blood clots and low blood platelets (see below).

The PRAC noted that the blood clots occurred in veins in the brain (cerebral venous sinus thrombosis, CVST) and the abdomen (splanchnic vein thrombosis) and in arteries, together with low levels of blood platelets and sometimes bleeding.

The Committee carried out an in-depth review of 62 cases of cerebral venous sinus thrombosis and 24 cases of splanchnic vein thrombosis reported in the EU drug safety database (EudraVigilance) as of 22 March 2021, 18 of which were fatal.1 The cases came mainly from spontaneous reporting systems of the EEA and the UK, where around 25 million people had received the vaccine.

COVID-19 is associated with a risk of hospitalisation and death. The reported combination of blood clots and low blood platelets is very rare, and the overall benefits of the vaccine in preventing COVID-19 outweigh the risks of side effects.

EMA’s scientific assessment underpins the safe and effective use of COVID-19 vaccines. Use of the vaccine during vaccination campaigns at national level will also take into account the pandemic situation and vaccine availability in the individual Member State.

One plausible explanation for the combination of blood clots and low blood platelets is an immune response, leading to a condition similar to one seen sometimes in patients treated with heparin (heparin induced thrombocytopenia, HIT). The PRAC has requested new studies and amendments to ongoing ones to provide more information and will take any further actions necessary.

The PRAC stresses the importance of prompt specialist medical treatment. By recognising the signs of bloods clots and low blood platelets and treating them early, healthcare professionals can help those affected in their recovery and avoid complications.

Vaxzevria is one of four vaccines authorised in the EU for protecting against COVID-19. Studies show that it is effective at preventing the disease. It also reduces the risk of hospitalisation and deaths from COVID-19.

As for all vaccines, EMA will continue to monitor the vaccine’s safety and effectiveness and provide the public with the latest information.

Information for the general public
Cases of unusual blood clots with low platelets have occurred in people who received Vaxzevria (formerly COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca).
The chance of having this occur is very low, but you should still be aware of symptoms so you can get prompt medical treatment to help recovery and avoid complications.
You must seek urgent medical attention immediately if you have any of the following symptoms in the weeks after your injection:
shortness of breath
chest pain
leg swelling
persistent abdominal (belly) pain
neurological symptoms, such as severe and persistent headaches or blurred vision
tiny blood spots under the skin beyond the site of the injection.
Speak to your healthcare professional or contact your relevant national health authorities if you have any questions about the roll out of the vaccine in your country.
Information for healthcare professionals
EMA has reviewed cases of thrombosis in combination with thrombocytopenia, and in some cases bleeding, in people who received Vaxzevria (formerly COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca).
These very rare types of thrombosis (with thrombocytopenia) included venous thrombosis in unusual sites such as cerebral venous sinus thrombosis and splanchnic vein thrombosis as well as arterial thrombosis. Most of the cases reported so far have occurred in women under the age of 60 years. Most cases occurred within 2 weeks of the person receiving their first dose. There is limited experience with the second dose.
As for the mechanism, it is thought that the vaccine may trigger an immune response leading to an atypical heparin-induced-thrombocytopenia like disorder. At this time, it is not possible to identify specific risk factors.
Healthcare professionals should be alert to the signs and symptoms of thromboembolism and thrombocytopenia so that they can promptly treat people affected in line with available guidelines.
Healthcare professionals should tell people receiving the vaccine that they must seek medical attention if they develop:
symptoms of blood clots such as shortness of breath, chest pain, leg swelling, persistent abdominal pain
neurological symptoms such as severe and persistent headaches and blurred vision
petechiae beyond the site of vaccination after a few days.
The benefits of the vaccine continue to outweigh the risks for people who receive it. The vaccine is effective at preventing COVID-19 and reducing hospitalisations and deaths.
National authorities may provide additional guidance on the roll out of the vaccine based on the situation in your country.
Healthcare professionals involved in giving the vaccine in the EU will receive a direct healthcare professional communication (DHPC). The DHPC will also be available.

More about the medicine
Vaxzevria (formerly COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca) is a vaccine for preventing coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) in people aged 18 years and older. COVID-19 is caused by SARS-CoV-2 virus. COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca is made up of another virus (of the adenovirus family) that has been modified to contain the gene for making a protein from SARS-CoV-2. The vaccine does not contain the virus itself and cannot cause COVID-19.

The most common side effects are usually mild or moderate and improve within a few days after vaccination.

More about the procedure
This review was carried out in the context of a safety signal, under an accelerated timetable. A safety signal is information on a new or incompletely documented adverse event that is potentially caused by a medicine such as a vaccine and that warrants further investigation.

The review was carried out by EMA's Pharmacovigilance Risk Assessment Committee (PRAC), the Committee responsible for the evaluation of safety issues for human medicines. EMA’s human medicine committee, CHMP, will now rapidly assess any necessary changes to the product information.

EMA’s scientific assessment underpins the safe and effective use of COVID-19 vaccines. EMA’s recommendations are the foundation upon which individual EU Member States will design and implement their own national vaccination campaigns. These may differ from country to country depending on their national needs and circumstances, such as infection rates, priority populations, vaccine availability and hospitalisation rates.

[Don]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/apr/07/astrazeneca-vaccine-scientists-set-for-22m-payday-in-new-york-float

As a general rule of thumb, where Companies House is referenced and convoluted ownership structures and money flows appear, so too does disgraceful lizardry.

[Kikó]

https://mobile.twitter.com/i/events/1379748989038301184

Under 30s not getting AZ.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I heard under 30s would all be getting J&J anyway (the one shot edition).

[Don]

AZ vaccine can join the life-threatening illness in 'things you won't be getting'.

[Spikey M]

Nobody will be getting AZ now. They're giving me second thoughts and I'm about the least anti-vaxx it's possible to be.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Seems to have worked ok for the first 20 odd million doses.

[Lewis]

Younger people might as well not have one if it delays things getting back to 'normal'.

[7om]

I reckon they’re bowing to pressure here. So much has been made of these clots, they basically had to come out and do something.

This whole thing has been very damaging, though. Shame.

[niko_cee]

37391103/79

:happycry:

I quite like the nuanced nature of the balance of risk (ie the balance is in favour of caution in a low covid environment) but I fear that said nuance will be largely lost in reporting, which will probably be quite detrimental.

[Yevrah]

If we've now decided not to give it to under 30s, what were Europe doing restricting its use with the over 60s?

[Jimmy Floyd]

In short, because there's a lot more virus in Europe and so the benefits of continuing to use it in that age group are greater for them than they are for us.

Jean-Claude had a nifty graphic up earlier as alluded to by niko.

[Yevrah]

In short, because there's a lot more virus in Europe and so the benefits of continuing to use it in that age group are greater for them than they are for us.

Jean-Claude had a nifty graphic up earlier as alluded to by niko.

But it's the over 60s who need the vaccine to stop them dying from COVID in the first place.

I'm rapidly reaching the point where nothing to do with COVID makes any sense any more.

[niko_cee]

Restricting its use in older age groups was (and still is) completely nonsensical.

All previous usage limitations have had a fairly heavy dose of politics in them.

[niko_cee]

Not rolling it out to the young on this basis is also only sensible if said younger people are happy to tolerate the apartheid system it is going to place them in (assuming alternative vaccines aren't really a short term option) OR if there is a general acceptance, where the at risk have been protected, that it's fine to go back to normal with the risk of young people contracting and spreading covid.

Not sure either of those are likely.

[Spikey M]

What is the reasoning behind the age limit? Is it that the jab is more likely to cause a clot in younger people? Or simply that there's less point risking it on younger people because Covid isn't particularly dangerous to them anyway?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Not rolling it out to the young on this basis is also only sensible if said younger people are happy to tolerate the apartheid system it is going to place them in (assuming alternative vaccines aren't really a short term option) OR if there is a general acceptance, where the at risk have been protected, that it's fine to go back to normal with the risk of young people contracting and spreading covid.

Not sure either of those are likely.

Suspect J&J / Novavax will change the former.

[niko_cee]

What is the reasoning behind the age limit? Is it that the jab is more likely to cause a clot in younger people? Or simply that there's less point risking it on younger people because Covid isn't particularly dangerous to them anyway?

Mostly column B I think.


Suspect J&J / Novavax will change the former.

Still a fair way off though.

[Kikó]

1379788191109156878?s=20

Brazil sounds fun.

[7om]

Pfizer, Moderna and J&J will all be acceptable options for the under 30s. They’ll be no worries of them not getting a vaccine.

[Mellberg]

I'm a pretty fit and healthy 33-year-old and thinking about not bothering with the vaccine now. If I catch it and give it to a 60-year-old who then dies, it's on them for refusal. I'll wait for whatever they come up with in the future, or have it at a later date if anything changes.

[Lewis]

Five minutes on Wall Street and he's a sociopath.

[Don]

1379788191109156878?s=20

Brazil sounds fun.

It is, think same as here but without a lockdown and less death.

[Mellberg]

:D

If anyone at risk hasn't had the vaccine at this stage it's their own fault and they are responsible. I'm done and why take the small risk with a vaccine when I don't need to. I'm not anti-vax, either. Just pro-Mellin.

[Spikey M]

1379788191109156878?s=20

Brazil sounds fun.

67000 in a month :|

[Magic]

Look at the deaths. Brazil is hardly a world leader in patient care, so what you have is probably thousands of people per day dying who are dying of normal stuff but just happened to have caught a highly contagious virus within the past 28 days. Load of shite. Clubs open plz, and fuck your message for the world creep.

[Kikó]

They've probably got novid.

[Lewis]

Remember when Brazilian leprosy used to be on charity appeals and that? It might be linked to that.

[Magic]

Lepnosy.

[Spikey M]

Fauxvid, Lepnosy or No-roVirus, their leader wants lynching.

[Mellberg]

To be frank, Bolsonaro deserves to catch it and die. Lot of blood on his hands.

[Shindig]

37391103/79

:happycry:

It's actually 79 from 20 million. 4 in a million odds for it to trigger, 1 in a million to kill you. The under 30 cut-off starts to make some sense when 3 of the deaths came in that age group. It's bound to be lowest demographic we've pricked so the likelihood of a clot is probably significant.

[Lewis]

The Chile mystery from yesterday appears to be solved by most of their vaccines being the shitty Chinese one that barely offers fifty per cent protection (and even for that you need both shots). They started banging it out in January, got all excited, loosened restrictions, and...

[Kikó]

NOVID!

I heard jab one is 3% effectiveness. What's the fucking point?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Chinese soft power is the fucking point, as it always is.

[Shindig]

Why don't they just steal ours or the yanks, like the Russians did?

[Don]

The irony of a Brit whose own vaccine is killing people claiming the Russians who are world-leading in the field of vaccine development and have developed a far superior product are copying them :D

This post was sponsored by my missus.

[Lewis]

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/more-than-700-000-astrazeneca-doses-secretly-flown-to-australia-from-britain-20210407-p57hcl.html

All the comments on this are either blaming the federal government for vaccinating too slowly (how could they do it any faster without making their own?) or seething that they're getting the shit vaccine. Are they all mental?

[Queenslander]

Commonwealth mates. :cool:

Im booked in for the 27th of this month for my AZ jab.

Scummo has been caught out lieing about plenty of big issues in the past 2 years. People dont believe him anymore.

[Lewis]

https://i.imgur.com/Ex4nM0e.jpg

Vaccine, vaccine, vaccine!
Oi, oi, oi!

[Andrew]

Britain to achieve herd immunity from Monday

UCL modelling says number of people with protection either through vaccination or previous infection will hit 73.4 per cent on April 12

The story is behind a paywall though.



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/07/exclusive-britain-will-pass-covid-herd-immunity-threshold-monday/amp/

[Jimmy Floyd]

Not sure about that.

[Kikó]

Britain will pass the threshold for herd immunity on Monday, according to dynamic modelling by University College London (UCL), placing more pressure on the Government to move faster in releasing restrictions.

According to the UCL results, published this week, the number of people who have protection against the virus either through vaccination or previous infection will hit 73.4 per cent on April 12 – enough to tip the country into herd immunity.

The number is in stark contrast to the modelling released by Imperial College this week, which suggested there was just 34 per cent protection by the end of March.

Last week, antibody testing by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) suggested that, in the week ending March 14, around 54 per cent of people in England already had antibodies to the virus, and slightly less in the devolved nations.

Since then, a further 7.1 million people have received a first dose of vaccine and nearly 100,000 have tested positive for the virus, with many more acquiring a silent, asymptomatic infection.

It is thought about one in 10 people also have some innate immunity through infections with other coronaviruses – pushing population-level protection up further – while others may be immune through T-cells, which would not be picked up in antibody testing.

Prof Karl Friston, of UCL, said: "The herd immunity estimates surprised me. However, they are unremarkable when one considers that over 50 per cent of adults have been vaccinated, around 42 per cent of people have now been exposed to the virus and about 10 per cet have pre-existing immunity.

"When factoring in the estimated efficacy of vaccination in terms of sterilising immunity, this – according to the model – means about 70 per cent of the population are immune.

"Based upon contact rates at the beginning of the pandemic and estimated transmission risk, this is nearly at the herd immunity threshold."

The model also suggests that, in the coming months, the threshold level needed for herd immunity will drop dramatically, with Britain needing just 40 per cent protection by the middle of the summer to be safe.

The work by UCL differs from other models because it reacts quickly to real-time deaths, infections, vaccinations, vaccine effectiveness data, hospital admissions and Google mobility trends, which inform transmission trends and the 'R' rate, which it currently estimates to be 1.12.

Despite the 'R' being above one, it predicts that deaths will continue to fall to low levels by May 24 and stay there, with no summer spike forecast.

Modellers say their "most likely" scenarios contrast with the SPI-M projections of "reasonable worst-case scenarios" and are more optimistic about the pandemic.

"Generally, the most likely predictions of mitigated responses, i.e. what is likely to happen, are more optimistic than worst-case projections of unmitigated responses – i.e. what could happen," the researchers said. The team also published the code of their model so that it can be checked.

The Telegraph understands that the Government is unhappy with the pessimistic tone set by models produced by SPI-M, released earlier this week, and has asked other groups to critique the work. The SPI-M summary, presented to Sage, suggested the roadmap out of lockdown was "highly likely" to lead to increased hospital cases and deaths this summer.

The models were criticised for using out of date and flawed assumptions about levels of population immunity and effectiveness of the vaccine as well as failing to factor in reductions in transmission due to vaccination and seasonality.

Prof Carl Heneghan, director of the Centre for Evidence Based Medicine at Oxford University, said: "In my 20-plus years as a doctor, I've never come across a summer surge in a respiratory infection in the UK. The modelling now keeps changing dramatically, so it's hard to see how it helps us. What we really want to do is look at the real-world data and make decisions from there.

"One of the problems is nobody is going back and checking whether the modelling matched up with the reality. We know that modelling in schools has not helped us because it was incorrect. So we need to have a reality check."

Boris Johnson has confirmed that he will not deviate from the current roadmap despite warnings from scientific advisers that it would result in a third wave.

The Government also ignored dire predictions that reopening schools would trigger a spike of new infections, which did not come to pass.


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[Jimmy Floyd]

Not a chance we're anywhere near herd immunity threshold. Might be creeping towards 50%.

[Spikey M]

How so? More than half of all adults are vaccinated and millions more have had the Virus. Obviously there will be an overlap in there, but we have to be well over 50%.

[Yevrah]

Three/four week lag for the vaccine to be effective I'd guess.

[Shindig]

Given how long we've been in lockdown, I'd sort of agree. An infection only gets you six months and the majority of the Kent surge happened in Wales and London. 60% or around there.

Anyway, here's a diagram of the clot rate:

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/3B49/production/_117877151_az_medium_risk_976-nc-2.png

The older you get, the less it happens.

[mo]

Got the text last night, booked up and getting jabbed at 4.

[Queenslander]

Breaking news Im now getting the Pfizer jab instead.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-08/scott-morrison-announces-pfizer-preferred-for-younger-people/100057184

Im sure the Australian MSN will calm down now...

[Magic]

So not only have we ruined our lives to protect these fat old spastics, they're now demanding we take a dangerous vaccine for a harmless disease?

[Spikey M]

CoFlid19.

[Alex]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-56665396


Based on the figures announced today by the UK medicines regulator, if 10 million imaginary people were given the AZ vaccine you might expect to see 40 of these clots - with about 10 clots having fatal consequences.

Ten deaths out of 10 million people vaccinated is a one-in-a-million chance.

That's roughly the same risk as being murdered in the next month or - if you get in a car and drive for 250 miles - the risk of you dying in a road accident on that journey.

:D

For fucks sake.

[7om]

That’s what I’ve been saying. You’ve got a vastly superior risk of dying in a car accident on the way to get the bloody thing. It’s madness.

[Yevrah]

I wonder if a number of key governmental/scientific figures from around Europe have shares in other companies also producing a vaccine. :sherlock:

[Ian]

Politicians? Bent? I won't hear it.

[Queenslander]

The boomers are seething about the under 50s getting the Pfizer jab. Lololol

This is such a clusterfuck now.

[Spikey M]

There's no value in the Vaccine Stocks. There was back in May 2020, but they've all agreed to sell at cost until 2024.

[Magic]

That’s what I’ve been saying. You’ve got a vastly superior risk of dying in a car accident on the way to get the bloody thing. It’s madness.

But you're more likely to die in a car accident than a plane crash.

[Spikey M]

*Magics irrelevant faaaaact of the weeeek*

[7om]

But you're more likely to die in a car accident than a plane crash.

And you’re more likely to wet your knickers in the airport than die in a plane crash. So what?

[Ian]

*Magics irrelevant faaaaact of the weeeek*

Makes you think, though.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Are you more likely to die in a hang glider or a hovercraft?

[Yevrah]

As a 40 year old waiting for the call to do my bit/get my pass to go on holiday, where does this all leave me?

If I can have a shot of the BLOOD CLOT INDUCING Oxford vaccine quicker than anything else now, I will.

[Magic]

And you’re more likely to wet your knickers in the airport than die in a plane crash. So what?

Why are they not letting us fly. It's disgusting.

[Baz]

“I’m not antivax I just don’t want the vaccine and won’t be getting it.” - Mellin

:cab:

[Spikey M]

Not wanting a vaccine isn't the same as being antivax.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Trying to run a cricket club during pandemic, episode 443: it appears that from the 12th, even though outside table service will be allowed from our clubhouse (as per pubs etc), we won't be able to have outside table service from our clubhouse *during a match* because the government want to discourage spectators. Spectators are allowed, of course, under rule of six, it's just that the government, while allowing them, also want to discourage them.

I honestly hope that everyone involved in government / public policy during this time will need to be replaced as soon as it's over, because you just can't have people thinking like this, it's ridiculous.

[Yevrah]

That is brilliant Jim. :D

I can't wait to see what convoluted nonsense is put in place (against a backdrop of circa 0 deaths a day) when we're actually allowed inside a pub.

Talking of which, what are the deaths these days? They seemed to barely be mentioned now. I can't imagine why...

[Yevrah]

The seven day moving average is 30. No wonder no-one is mentioning them anymore.

[Don]

That's 30 father, mothers, sons and daughters a day, you prick. Probably safe to count them double too actually given their fucking BMI.

[Kikó]

I wonder which politicians have got shares in anti-death news?

[Yevrah]

I wonder which politicians have got shares in anti-death news?

Politicians and Scientists Kik's, we wouldn't want to exclude those would we.

[Spikey M]

If I were an author I'd be sat drafting a dystopian novel as we speak.

It's the the year 2027.

Population 32000.

3 tribes remain; AZ, Moderna and Pfizer, each with their own beliefs and disabilities.

One Tragic antihero remains. Get Johnson or get Gubbed.

[Offshore Toon]

King Custard will lead us to glory.

[Manc]

This thread is awash with lizardry.

[Spikey M]

King Custard will lead us to glory.

He was gifted his Super-Failures via accidental exposure to the J&J Vaccine.

Turbo-Autism.

[Magic]

The vindication. :drool:

[Spikey M]

I'm trying to workout where Yev and Kiko fit in.

Yev is some kind of Seer.

[Lewis]

He sweeps the floor and discusses the remnants with the broom.

[Kikó]

I'll be the broom.

[Shindig]

"This is a comedy about a man, his broom, and his wine tasting wife. Richard Curtis directs Four Hot Tubs and a Fuming Man"


Cerebral venous sinus thrombosis is rare, with an estimated 3-4 cases per million annual incidence in adults. While it may occur in all age groups, it is most common in the third decade.

Well, that's reassuring. :moop:

[Don]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/08/uk-covid-cases-could-rise-again-despite-vaccine-progress-who-official

Really worrying stuff that.

In other news, we've had to go some to secure bookings on Monday afternoon for a normally quiet pub in MK. There's gonna be scenes in this country and I can't fucking wait.

[Yevrah]

Go on then.


UK Covid cases could rise again despite vaccine progress – WHO official

Oh really, tell me more? That headline implies that'd be a real worry.



The success of Britain’s vaccine programme is not enough to protect it from another wave of coronavirus unconnected to rising cases in Europe, a senior World Health Organization expert has said.

A successful vaccination program not enough? And even if Europe's COVID isn't COMING RIGHT FOR US, we're still at risk. Fuck.


Dr Catherine Smallwood, a senior emergency officer at WHO Europe, also said confidence in vaccines may have dipped after changes to the Oxford/AstraZeneca jab rollout, with under-30s to be offered alternative options amid concerns over rare blood clots.

A doctor and and senior emergency officer? This Woman must know her shit.


In an interview, Smallwood said there were still a “significant number” of Covid-19 infections being reported daily in the UK, and that “very restrictive measures” were holding them down.

Yeah, that's true. 3,000 new cases a day is not insignificant. Presumably she'll tell me soon how the vaccine won't stop cases converting into deaths soon and that's why we should be worried.


But Smallwood cautioned that the UK “still has potential to develop its own sort of renewed resurgence of cases without any involvement from the rest of Europe”. She said the tough measures that have been in place for nearly two months were “what’s keeping the cases down at the moment – it’s not the vaccination”.

The vaccination isn't keeping cases down, at all? I've learnt something today. Still none the wiser how this is that bad though.


“The population groups that are really driving transmission are still in the majority sense the ones that have not yet been vaccinated as a whole,” Smallwood said. “Transmission can still happen in the UK without any washing up on the shores of the European outbreak.”

Yes, but we've vaccinated all of the vulnerable, right?


Smallwood said that despite concern over case numbers, deaths seemed to have plateaued and increased only slightly, and not at the same rate as infections.

Hate to tell you how to interpret numbers, but deaths haven't just plateaued, they've decreased by 92% since January. And they haven't increased at the same rate as infections because we've vaccinated the vulnerable.


Despite governments in the UK grappling with how to ease border restrictions this summer to let people go on foreign holidays, Smallwood said travel bans were not “necessarily a feasible strategy”. She pointed to how many countries had tried to block arrivals from the UK after the variant first discovered in Kent was found to be more transmissible, yet it had still become “predominant across much of Europe”.

“It may slow entry by giving you a little bit more time as a strategy to prevent,” she said. “[But] that is not a sustainable strategy in the context of a highly globalised situation, and specifically for the UK with its very, very close ties to the rest of continental Europe.”

Funny that, you seemed to be an advocate of lockdowns above. Are they sustainable and isn't a travel ban (done properly) just another form of that? Still, the article is nearing its end, there must be the link that ties this factually dubious ramble to the CONCERN.


… we have a small favour to ask. Through these turbulent and challenging times, millions rely on the Guardian for independent journalism that stands for truth and integrity. Readers chose to support us financially more than 1.5 million times in 2020, joining existing supporters in 180 countries.

Oh.

[7om]

Drivel.

[Shindig]

Saying cases will go up is the only certainty I can back them on. Beyond the obvious, it's all speculative and ... y'know, scientists are paid to speculate.

[Spikey M]

I'm not sure it is a certainty. The first relaxation (the schools) were theoretically the worst group of people they could have allowed back to normality. They're the only group with 0% vaccination and by and large they live with the next least vaccinated (young adults / their parents).

So where are all the extra cases? They're still falling.

[7om]

I think we will definitely see a rise in cases. The vaccines don’t completely inhibit transmission and they’re not 100% effective against mild illness.

[Spikey M]

I think we will definitely see a rise in cases. The vaccines don’t completely inhibit transmission and they’re not 100% effective against mild illness.

Perhaps, but at the moment we have no apparent increase amongst unvaccinated people. What gives? Presumably the same thing that bought us 4 stable months from May to September last year? Not that the weather is playing ball right now.

I don't know, there will probably be some increase, but I don't think it will be anything major. And who cares anyway? Cases don't really matter anymore.

[Yevrah]

Indeed. Cases will go up, but in and of themselves they're not relevant.

That doctor was talking complete shite.

[7om]

And who cares anyway? Cases don't really matter anymore.

Precisely. Cases are not the metric we should care about anymore.

[Shindig]

I would at this point say cases up the ante on mutations but we'll still be testing to catch variants before they get a chance to take a foothold. Probably.

[Spikey M]

I would at this point say cases up the ante on mutations but we'll still be testing to catch variants before they get a chance to take a foothold. Probably.

We are a small island of ~67 million people on a planet of 7.6 billion people. Variants are gonna variant no matter we do.

[7om]

Sod the variants. I’m not worried until one of them escapes the vaccine. That hasn’t happened yet so we’ll cross that bridge if we come to it.

[Queenslander]

QLD Health are saying it is a 1 in 250 000 chance of getting a blood clot from AZ.

The media is a disaster.

[Luca]

Getting my jab (Pfizer or Moderna) on Sunday. Can't wait for my cell reception to improve. :drool:

[Yevrah]

Are there any studies on COVID itself giving you a blood clot? I ask because my Gran got one during the process of her getting it from that 'care' home.

[Yevrah]

And I wonder how much the sort of nonsense being dispelled here impacts the BAME take up as opposed to historical racism?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56677766

[Shindig]

Are there any studies on COVID itself giving you a blood clot? I ask because my Gran got one during the process of her getting it from that 'care' home.

https://www.healthline.com/health/coronavirus-and-blood-clots#covid-19-and-blood-clots


Blood clots with COVID-19 have most often been seen in people who’ve been hospitalized with the disease.

A study of 184 people in the ICU for severe COVID-19 found that 31 percent of these individuals experienced complications related to blood clots.

So the answer is yes.

https://b-s-h.org.uk/about-us/news/clot-risk-from-covid-19-linked-to-increased-mortality/


COVID-19 patients are at high risk of developing blood clots during infection, and those that do have an increased mortality rate, a new meta-analysis has found.

Previous studies have indicated a risk of thromboembolism from COVID-19, but the rate and its effect on mortality were unclear. Dr Mahmoud Malas and colleagues at UC San Diego Health, USA, analysed 42 studies including 8,271 COVID-19 patients.

The overall thromboembolism rate was 21%. Having thromboembolism in either veins or arteries appeared to raise the mortality risk by 74% compared to patients without thromboembolism.

The main worry with the vaccine is they're citing CVST's which are specific to the brain. ITP also gets mentioned which is when your blood platelets kill themselves. These two articles refer to clots in a general sense.

[Magic]

Ok so having a massive pre-disposition to blood clots means you're more likely to get a blood clot. Nice work!

[Shindig]

Actually, the EMA's report into the jab specifically mentioned the 79 had no prior clotting issues. And neither of the articles I quote (the disease mentioned in the first line is Covid-19, not blood clots) mention prior medical history.

[Don]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/apr/09/extent-of-mental-health-crisis-in-england-at-terrifying-level

Lolololol. We better get a daily suicide counter on the News for about 36 months and compulsory club night attendances to try and flatten the curve when they get bleak in January time.

[Kikó]

Dr custard's in the house.

[Magic]

Better protect the NHS from being over-run with all those suicidal trans students. Open up all the quirky cafes and art bars.

[Pepe]

:lol:

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56667982



Sid Briggs, 19, is happy he'll be able to get back out and visit some of his favourite independent shops - many of which have struggled in the crisis. But the body piercing professional is also a bit wary about returning to the High Street.

"I'll try to avoid the crowds if it gets too busy. And I personally wouldn't use a changing room. Trying on things like jackets, I guess, are fine, but other than that, I'm just going to have to take the risk," he says.


Have we transformed into a nation of absolute drips or is the BBC just hand picking them? It's driving me a bit mad. Can we just have one cunt say "I'm not really worried, I'm low risk and we've got a vaccine, it'll be fine"? A bit of balance, lads.

[Spikey M]

Caitlin Booton, 23, says she is in no hurry to get back to the shops.

"I don't think it's very clever to open the shops now and risk another wave, like what we're seeing in Europe," she says. "I don't think we should rush into that.

"I still live with my parents as well, so I've got to watch it a bit."

I genuinely hope you kill the pair of them, Caitlin.

[Shindig]

The wave in Europe is the wave we've already had.

[Kikó]

People on voxpops are complete wankers.

[Yevrah]

I think I actually prefer anti-vaxxers to whatever this current mob is (vaccine deniers?). At least with the former they accepted vaccines actually exist.

[Lewis]

I saw somebody cycling - as in proper cycling, not just riding a bike - with a mask on today. That's a new one.

[Manc]

Extreme conditioning.

[7om]

I’ve been to see my Nan today. Gave her a hug for the first time in a year. No SAGE twat is going to tell me I can’t see a fully vaccinated person from now.

[Kikó]

Reckless behaviour. Blood on your hands.

[Don]

We've got climbing booked for the morning and then a pub crawl. It's going to be glorious.

[Reg]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56667982



Have we transformed into a nation of absolute drips or is the BBC just hand picking them? It's driving me a bit mad. Can we just have one cunt say "I'm not really worried, I'm low risk and we've got a vaccine, it'll be fine"? A bit of balance, lads.
Thing is, as much as a 20-something-year-old is unlikely to really suffer from COVID, they could. Some people get really ill. They’re extremely unlikely to die, but that doesn’t mean it can’t suck.

And then there’s, you know, being considerate and stuff. Is that woman who lives with her parents really that wrong to worry?

Wearing a mask while cycling outdoors as Lewis mentioned is a bit mental, I agree, and I feel sorry for folks like that because it can’t be enjoyable being that stressed/paranoid about it.

But I think it’s understandable to worry about going indoors and gathering again. I wouldn’t worry about catching it myself, if I didn’t have other people to consider and I could just go and live on my own and isolate whenever needed, but you’re certainly not a “drip” if you’re worried.

[Magic]

Right, and young people get the flu and shit, who cares.