Coronavirus Death Thread

[Magic]

But the risk is reduced, therefore it's worth doing.

Wants to 'work' from home updating Google classrooms on full pay.

[Magic]

Probably poorly worded but PCR is basically just to confirm when you are showing symptoms. Antigen is to catch when you're not symptomatic. You can stop the spread of the virus earlier because you've flagged it through the antigen.

Wants to work from home to repair failing marriage but doesn't have the authority, respect, responsibility or trust to do so.

[Magic]

They can't be the same as the antigen tests we do here at that sort of money. I thought they were the same thing under a different name.

Lazy cunt and grotesquely unfit. Actually is at risk so makes sense.

[Magic]

He'll still tell people that's what happened though.

Locked down already and has been since birth. Further lock downs means more virgins online to game with.

[Magic]

Not as excited as I am to come down with symptoms. :uhoh:

So ... they want every adult boostered by the end of this month? Optimistic.

Would prefer shelter from the real world. No value to add so can disappear in to nothingness.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Do you next.

[ScousePig]

Desperate to teach from home and further fail future generations. Shameful.

That's the dream. (Especially now home learning apps are a thing and we don't get proper snow days.)

13 weeks holiday really isn't enough.

[ScousePig]

Wants to 'work' from home updating Google classrooms on full pay.

Nonsense.

It's called Seesaw.

[Boydy]

Desperate to teach from home and further fail future generations. Shameful.

Covid wasn't around and the teachers were all in when you were in school so what's your excuse?

[Yevrah]

But the risk is reduced, therefore it's worth doing.

How much is it reduced? We still have a fuckton of people catching COVID and circa 65% of those in hospital now have been vaccinated.

[ScousePig]

How much is it reduced? We still have a fuckton of people catching COVID and circa 65% of those in hospital now have been vaccinated.

I don't think anybody really knows beyond speculation, do they?

Why are we allowed back into pubs, and schools, and nightclubs and football matches etc.?

[Don]

What a page :D

They should make COVID passes strain specific. I got Alpha and Delta, thinking to give Omicron a miss and go back in for Rho in spring. Open to trades.

[Yevrah]

I don't think anybody really knows beyond speculation, do they?

So why are you seemingly advocating that young people get vaccinated before they can go to Uni then?


Why are we allowed back into pubs, and schools, and nightclubs and football matches etc.?

Because those things are fun and we have a vaccine that 80% of the population has had.

[7om]

Just get your boosters and shut the fuck up. Don’t know why you guys spend page after page jerking off over this shit.

[Jimmy Floyd]

There's very clear evidence that three doses of vaccine is massively effective vs omicron compared to two, so I don't think booster jab advocacy is the right target for any ire about what the pols have been up to.

[ScousePig]

So why are you seemingly advocating that young people get vaccinated before they can go to Uni then?



Because those things are fun and we have a vaccine that 80% of the population has had.

Are you saying I shouldn't be in favour of taking a jab because it's hasn't been conclusively proven (allegedly) that it helps stop the spread? That would be an odd stance.

We have a vaccine: things have been allowed to open back up. Kind of my point.

[Giggles]

Lazy cunt and grotesquely unfit. Actually is at risk so makes sense.

What are you on about you piece of filth? That hadn't remotely a thing to do with what you were replying to.

Dangerously thick.

Edit - I see now what you were poorly trying to do. You're the one that took the dose the hardest. Maybe it's from getting all those digs you deserved.

[Giggles]

Just get your boosters and shut the fuck up. Don’t know why you guys spend page after page jerking off over this shit.

This. You'd think the idiots were being asked for a fucking kidney.

[Yevrah]

There's very clear evidence that three doses of vaccine is massively effective vs omicron compared to two

At protecting symptomatic disease there is. But here's the head of the Medical Association from South Africa on Omicron:


The head of the South African Medical Association refreshed her claims that the Omicron variant is 'mild' having spent one month treating patients with it.

Dr Angelique Coetzee spoke to Tom Swarbrick a fortnight after her initial appearance on LBC where she told him that the West was overreacting to Omicron.

She echoed her initial claims that Omicron is a relatively "mild" variant of coronavirus, which sees greater transmission yet lower rates of hospitalisation.

She said that whilst she understands the precautions the UK is taking, "there's really no need" to reenter lockdown over the Omicron variant.

"Yes, you can have a million cases, you can have even more than that, but the severity of the disease is mild", she said again.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/tom-swarbrick/south-africa-top-doc-angelique-coetzee-stresses-omicron-mild/

[Magic]

This. You'd think the idiots were being asked for a fucking kidney.

I'm not giving up anything to service the ill.

[Magic]

What a page :D

They should make COVID passes strain specific. I got Alpha and Delta, thinking to give Omicron a miss and go back in for Rho in spring. Open to trades.

Beta for you.

I went straight in double penetration Delta.

[Yevrah]

Are you saying I shouldn't be in favour of taking a jab because it's hasn't been conclusively proven (allegedly) that it helps stop the spread? That would be an odd stance.


Not at all, I'm saying the same as Pep in that mandating it for kids or very young adults is wrong.

[ScousePig]

Not at all, I'm saying the same as Pep in that mandating it for kids or very young adults is wrong.

Sorry, the Pepe post was just an aside. I'm talking in general - why wouldn't you get a vaccine/booster?

I'm still trying to figure out how Magic has come to the conclusion that being a pro vaccine teacher would lend itself to wanting to work from home.

[Baz]

Surely when more people aren’t entitled to a “pass” (both jabs and the booster) than are, they’ll fuck them off?

[Yevrah]

Sorry, the Pepe post was just an aside. I'm talking in general - why wouldn't you get a vaccine/booster?

The only reason you wouldn't is because you don't need one.

[Spikey M]

My sons nursery is acting as a walk-in booster centre over the Christmas break, so I'll probably be having mine next week. :)

[Manc]

Four hour queues. :happycry:

People genuinely believe he's not going to shut the country down.

[Magic]

Four hour queues. :happycry:

People genuinely believe he's not going to shut the country down.

The seethe when it happens. :drool:

[Spikey M]

Nobody would follow it even if it does. I'll have the jab, I'll wear a 'muzzle', whatevs, but I won't be avoiding family and friends again. I imagine most people are the same.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Any hope of Boris staying in power for much longer rests on him not shutting the country down, so he isn't going to.

You can't lock down again without furlough etc to go with it, and they aren't going to want that.

[Kikó]

Wants to work from home to repair failing marriage but doesn't have the authority, respect, responsibility or trust to do so.

Swing and a miss

[niko_cee]

3 omicrons here, which has led to 54 people being put into mandatory isolation [no testing for those suckers].

Wife's blinked and the kids are now out of school.

[Magic]

The WON'T BE LAUGHING WHEN YOU DIE brigade really are stumped when you tell them you've had it already lol.

[Yevrah]

Seriously, why are you laughing? None of this is funny. Tragic. Tedious. Bizarre. Maybe. But not funny.

[Lewis]

The sitcom reviews are in.

[7om]

:lol:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The sitcom reviews are in.

:D

[Yevrah]

:D

Quite brilliant.

[Boydy]

:D

Are you still working on the sitcom, Yev?

[7om]

I’ve just been re-reading the sitcom thread. Lolled for the entirety.

[Giggles]

Has anyone actually been able to confirm how Omicron compares to the last one and how the vaccine works with it, or does everyone on television love just saying the word Omicron?
If you were doing a drinking game during the news you’d end up in ICU anyway by the first ad break.

[Yevrah]

:D

Are you still working on the sitcom, Yev?

Not at the moment, work has taken a turn in the last few months that could either end up being brilliant for me (in which case I won't carry on) or bad for me (in which case I may well while looking for something else).

[Yevrah]

Has anyone actually been able to confirm how Omicron compares to the last one

As I posted above the Sith Africns are saying it's more transmissible but less severe. Not reported here much as it doesn't get needles in arms and good news isn't classed as news these days.

[Lofty]

I thought I heard furlough was already extended or something due to this?

I was quite enjoying the new WDYTOE format to be fair.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Something about omicron isn't adding up. The South Africans are saying relax bru it's fine, Sajid Javid is saying it's 200,000 cases a day and 2 day doubling, which means 24 million cases a day in two weeks' time, and over a billion cases a day in just over 3 weeks. Meanwhile our media class seem thirsty as fuck for a lockdown.

Either we or the South Africans are catastrophically wrong.

[Yevrah]

Our approach to this hasn't added up for ages, so I know who I'd back to be closer to being correct, albeit it is South Africa's summer now right?

[Don]

We need to follow the science. WFH until winter 2022 at the least and then we can re-evaluate depending on NHS capacity.

[Queenslander]

2 covid hotspots have popped up in two neighbouring suburbs.


I wonder if I'll get the Delta or the Omicron...

[Andrew]

This former doctor seems to talk pretty sensibly about coronavirus

https://youtu.be/XzrG3Odgf28

[Spikey M]

I was expecting Wakefield. Disappointing.

[Pepe]

Something about omicron isn't adding up. The South Africans are saying relax bru it's fine, Sajid Javid is saying it's 200,000 cases a day and 2 day doubling, which means 24 million cases a day in two weeks' time, and over a billion cases a day in just over 3 weeks. Meanwhile our media class seem thirsty as fuck for a lockdown.

Either we or the South Africans are catastrophically wrong.

I don't think that anyone is wrong. As I mentioned a few pages ago, the common trend viruses follow over time is to become more transmissible and less virulent. If that is the case with Omicron (it would be extremely rare if it isn't), then you should expect more cases overall, but also less serious cases.

[Spikey M]

I keep hearing this, but is it actually proven? HIV, Ebola, Measles, Flu, Smallpox, Polio, etc. There's loads that haven't become more transmissible but less virulent. We had to force them to stop killing us.

The Flu in particular seems to swing wildly all over the place.

[Spikey M]

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-011488089270

I appreciate the "claim" is flawed because nobody has claimed that "No virus has ever mutated to become more lethal. As viruses mutate, they become less lethal", but "THE FACTS" remain. The Zelda Variant could still murder us all.

Have a good day lads.

[Pepe]

I keep hearing this, but is it actually proven? HIV, Ebola, Measles, Flu, Smallpox, Polio, etc. There's loads that haven't become more transmissible but less virulent. We had to force them to stop killing us.

The Flu in particular seems to swing wildly all over the place.

If by proven you mean that it is always the case, then no. But, imo, it should be the default assumption until proven otherwise. Assuming that a new variant will be both more transmissible and more virulent is choosing to default to a lower probability case. I guess that you could say that it is the safer route.

[Shindig]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r3eGqLXoyY

Anecdotally, South Africans don't seem too worried. Their wave has been going for 3 weeks and hasn't translated into increased mortality yet.

[Lofty]

To be fair Covid is a storm in a tea cup by SA standards.

[randomlegend]

I keep hearing this, but is it actually proven? HIV, Ebola, Measles, Flu, Smallpox, Polio, etc. There's loads that haven't become more transmissible but less virulent. We had to force them to stop killing us.

The Flu in particular seems to swing wildly all over the place.

I did some reading on this last time it was brought up and basically came to the conclusion that the answer, as with most things, was "maybe but it's not straightforward".

[Waffdon]

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[Magic]

It's only the elderly and vulnerable that are at risk of hospitalisation. I still don't understand why we went from vaccinate them to this shitfest.

[Yevrah]

Funny how that's nowhere near the mainstream news sites. It's very good news, it's been known for a fortnight and yet the BBC haven't put it front and centre once.

[Spikey M]

It's a good job we're stopping it spreading. We don't want a lazy foreign variant over here not killing people.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Deepti reckons South Africa is exceptional (don't ask me why) and we will see the same levels of hospitalisation as in previous variants. Guess we'll soon see who's right.

I managed to book my booster jab right in the middle of Wolves v Chelsea. Probably for the best, tbh.

[randomlegend]

Funny how that's nowhere near the mainstream news sites. It's very good news, it's been known for a fortnight and yet the BBC haven't put it front and centre once.

If it doesn't start making mainstream news now then yeah, but it's not very responsible to report on very early/small data sets without giving very clear context (which most people will ignore or not understand anyway). I do completely appreciate they probably would if it was bad news.

Small data sets are very vulnerable to biases or random variations and aren't reliable for basing big decisions on. Making a cautious decision and stepping back later if the data stays looking good is a much better approach than going gung-ho and then realising you've fucked it later with no way to go back.

As a real life example, there was a lot of concern about the rate of anaphylaxis with the Pfizer vaccinations initially which is why people were asked to stay for 15 minutes after their jab. Turns out the early data was just coloured by random bad luck where they got quite a few anaphylactic reactions in the first few weeks but the rate once more data has come out is MUCH lower than the early data suggested.

[Yevrah]

Makes perfect sense what you're saying RL, but it should work both ways and it doesn't - when someone so much as coughs it's straight on the BBC's front page.

[Yevrah]

Deepti reckons South Africa is exceptional (don't ask me why) and we will see the same levels of hospitalisation as in previous variants. Guess we'll soon see who's right.

They're right, there's no scientific reason why they wouldn't be - we've just been conditioned now to only accept bad news on this. It'll be worse for us as it's our Winter and their Summer, which makes a difference, but not enough for 'corpses to start piling up in the street', which they'd get close to doing if we got anywhere near 75,000 deaths in such a short space of time.

[Raoul Duke]

I'm not sure I'd give much credence to "data out of South Africa" but if it holds up once verified then that's promising news.

[Yevrah]

I'm not sure I'd give much credence to "data out of South Africa" but if it holds up once verified then that's promising news.

Because their scientists are working from mud huts? And we gave all the credence in the World to their data that suggested Omicron was a potential problem in the first place.

[Boydy]

I read somewhere that South Africa first detected Omicron because their virus-studying scientists are so good because they've been tracking HIV for years.

Although on the news last night (I think it was Channel 4) someone made the point about their population generally being younger. Dunno if that's been factored into the stuff about the cases generally being milder. You'd imagine it has.

[Yevrah]

It's definitely a younger population, but then they've also vaccinated a pitifully small amount of people, (while we give boosters to 18 year olds).

[Pepe]

Plus when they say milder, it is in relation to the previous strands, on the same population. It is not like they are comparing 80 year old Brits to 15 year old S. Africans.

[Yevrah]

Shows how mental this has all got when I'm having to convince people that scientists are right.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's all predictably political. The people calling for restrictions now are the same ones who've been calling for restrictions for the last 11 months, across all kinds of scenarios. Same applies the opposite way.

[Yevrah]

It doesn't have to be that way, I've changed my tune hugely from 12-18 months ago, because there's been very good reason to.

[Pepe]

When scientists talk about science, they are usually right. When scientists talk about policy, they are usually as wrong as politicians are when they talk about science.

[ScousePig]

Supposedly natural immunity is a lot higher in South Africa due to previous waves.

I think it's dangerous to compare different countries with so many variables.

[Magic]

Supposedly natural immunity is a lot higher in South Africa due to previous waves.

I think it's dangerous to compare different countries with so many variables.

And given we've pretty much had the highest cases the most consistently why aren't we all immune?

[Yevrah]

Supposedly natural immunity is a lot higher in South Africa due to previous waves.

I think it's dangerous to compare different countries with so many variables.

Hang on, so now we're saying natural immunity is better than having a vaccine....

And we're not comparing different countries on a macro level (e.g. death rates, case numbers etc.), we're looking at specific people who have Omicron in South Africa and what that disease is doing to them.

[7om]

Hang on, so now we're saying natural immunity is better than having a vaccine....
.

It’s pretty well established that the immunity you get from an infection is better than that from a vaccine. The vaccine might only target a handful of sites on the surface of the virus but your immune system will go after everything.

[Magic]

It’s pretty well established that the immunity you get from an infection is better than that from a vaccine. The vaccine might only target a handful of sites on the surface of the virus but your immune system will go after everything.

And yet here I am, ostracised from society despite being a fit, healthy, young, successful higher rate tax payer. :happycry:

[Yevrah]

It’s pretty well established that the immunity you get from an infection is better than that from a vaccine. The vaccine might only target a handful of sites on the surface of the virus but your immune system will go after everything.

I don't doubt it, yet (and in another anti-science move by those being led by the science) I think I'm right in saying having had COVID isn't enough to get a COVID pass, you need to have had the vaccine.

[Baz]

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[Spikey M]

:cab:

[Yevrah]

Mine's a Scotch Egg.

[Magic]

The new rules up here. :D

[Waffdon]

There isn’t any, is there? Is she not just ‘advising’?

[Manc]

If it has a dancefloor it's not a pub.

[Magic]

There isn’t any, is there? Is she not just ‘advising’?

Shops, supermarkets and businesses across Scotland will have to re-introduce social distancing protections and limit the number of people in their stores under new guidance to stop the spread of Omicron.
First Minister Nicola Sturgeon told MSPs that the Scottish Government will amend regulations (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-calls-people-patriotic-25688744) to make it a legal requirement for businesses providing services to take measures (https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/only-one-scottish-mp-support-25688554) to reduce transmission.
The move could see queuing return outside many shops in the run-up to the busy Christmas season.

[CJay]

My surgery has texted me to come on Tuesday between 9am - 1pm (surnames starting with A-M) for my booster. This seems like a surefire way to have queues for days. Don't know whether to go early doors and hope I get first in line or chance going in at a random time mid-morning.

[Magic]

amazing how these GP's can make themselves sooooo available for £95 per hour injections but can't be arsed to see any patients or provide decent primary care...

[Spikey M]

amazing how these GP's can make themselves sooooo available for £95 per hour injections but can't be arsed to see any patients or provide decent primary care...

My daughter has a doctors appointment for an ear ache this afternoon, so they appear to be back in service. Or at least ours is. They are like totes sooooo available.

[CJay]

I imagine it's nurses giving the jabs, no? They just happen to work at the GP's surgery.

[randomlegend]

It's all sorts of people giving jabs. Nurses, doctors, HCAs, theatre staff, pharmacists, army medics. Many are people who were retired and are coming back.

Other services will almost certainly suffer in order to provide the vaccine service the government is demanding, though

[7om]

I don't doubt it, yet (and in another anti-science move by those being led by the science) I think I'm right in saying having had COVID isn't enough to get a COVID pass, you need to have had the vaccine.

My guess would be that proving you’ve had a vaccine is a lot easier than proving a past infection. You’d need to be doing antibody screening and all sorts of shit. Easier and cheaper just to jab people and use that as the gold standard.

[Yevrah]

My guess would be that proving you’ve had a vaccine is a lot easier than proving a past infection. You’d need to be doing antibody screening and all sorts of shit. Easier and cheaper just to jab people and use that as the gold standard.

Pretty easy to refer to a positive test from one of the 10.8m we already have on record, or even whatever the (lower) number is for PCR's.

[7om]

Pretty easy to refer to a positive test from one of the 10.8m we already have on record, or even whatever the (lower) number is for PCR's.

How many are lateral flows? How many positive lateral flows are reported to the NHS? And how many people get it and are asymptomatic? Far too complex when getting jabbed and logging it on a system is the alternative.

[Magic]

I'm sorry why should you need to prove anything?

Once again, the vulnerable have been vaccinated so why are we not done with this bollocks?

[Spikey M]

How many are lateral flows? How many positive lateral flows are reported to the NHS? And how many people get it and are asymptomatic? Far too complex when getting jabbed and logging it on a system is the alternative.

What a system that would be.

"Sorry lad, you can't come in, you've not been ill yet"

but how can I get ill if I'm not allowed in anywhere?

"Why would you want to get ill?"

So I can come in there!

"But you can't. You've not been ill yet. Stay safe."

[7om]

I'm sorry why should you need to prove anything?

Once again, the vulnerable have been vaccinated so why are we not done with this bollocks?

I don't know why we need to prove anything. I'm responding to Yev regarding infection vs vaccination.

[Yevrah]

How many are lateral flows? How many positive lateral flows are reported to the NHS? And how many people get it and are asymptomatic? Far too complex when getting jabbed and logging it on a system is the alternative.

LFT's I agree with are a bit dodgy to administer, which is why I specified PCR's, the data for which is all there. You're looking for problems that don't exist, which is symptomatic of this whole shitshow.

[Magic]

What a system that would be.

"Sorry lad, you can't come in, you've not been ill yet"

but how can I get ill if I'm not allowed in anywhere?

"Why would you want to get ill?"

So I can come in there!

"But you can't. You've not been ill yet"

"Sorry lad, despite you being super fit and healthy and totes not at risk you can't come in because you've not had a vaccine that will prevent you passing it on...I mean prevent you dying...I mean hospitalised...I mean..."

"Well what about Giggles and Mahow?"

"They'll die shortly, my sweet, of course of actual harmful things like diabetes, cancer, stroke or heart attack"

"Great"

[Spikey M]

"Sorry lad, despite you being super fit and healthy and totes not at risk you can't come in because you've not had a vaccine that will prevent you passing it on...I mean prevent you dying...I mean hospitalised...I mean..."

"Well what about Giggles and Mahow?"

"They'll die shortly, my sweet, of course of actual harmful things like diabetes, cancer, stroke or heart attack"

"Great"

Are we talking about the same virus that put you in hospital while Mahow and Giggles have been bowling about as normal?

[Yevrah]

Magic, for fuck's sake.

[7om]

LFT's I agree with are a bit dodgy to administer, which is why I specified PCR's, the data for which is all there. You're looking for problems that don't exist, which is symptomatic of this whole shitshow.

The data for PCR's is all there, I totally agree. But it's not all the data. And that's why vaccination is a better metric, because it's easy to log and track.

[Yevrah]

The data for PCR's is all there, I totally agree. But it's not all the data. And that's why vaccination is a better metric, because it's easy to log and track.

How do you mean not all the data? Unless I've missed a meeting PCR's manifestly tell you whether you have COVID and if you have logging a positive test result is literally as easy as logging a vaccine dose being given. Easier in fact as you only need to do it once.

[Spikey M]

It's all a bit moot anyway, because regardless of him being a mong, Magic is right. We shouldn't be limiting peoples freedom on the basis of their immune response to a virus, be it natural or via vaccine.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Nicola Sturgeon on her new rules: 'Although it is guidance, please do not think of it as optional'.

Absolute crank nation up there.

[Yevrah]

It's all a bit moot anyway, because regardless of him being a mong, Magic is right. We shouldn't be limiting peoples freedom on the basis of their immune response to a virus, be it natural or via vaccine.

I completely agree. I'm just also not comfortable with where the vaccine rollout is heading, which appears to be mandatory vaccines (certainly in everything but name if vaccine passports take hold) and possibly even for children. The fact that we're refusing to use valid, sound data on people who've already had COVID, for me, ties into all that. The thought that my nephew and niece could be forced to have a vaccine that has associated heart risks (however small) even after they've both had COVID and were seemingly absolutely fine with it really isn't cool.

[Yevrah]

Nicola Sturgeon on her new rules: 'Although it is guidance, please do not think of it as optional'.

Absolute crank nation up there.

Why isn't she just passing laws? I thought they did on their own before, ala the Welsh and their shambolic supermarket bullshit.

[7om]

How do you mean not all the data? Unless I've missed a meeting PCR's manifestly tell you whether you have COVID and if you have logging a positive test result is literally as easy as logging a vaccine dose being given. Easier in fact as you only need to do it once.

Because not all positive covid cases have been diagnosed via PCR results. Some are done by LFTs and some are asymptomatic. A dataset of who is and isn't vaccinated is far more complete.

[Yevrah]

Because not all positive covid cases have been diagnosed via PCR results. Some are done by LFTs and some are asymptomatic. A dataset of who is and isn't vaccinated is far more complete.

I don't care about LFT's, I'd moved on from them in my own post. It's merging two lists, PCR's + Vaccinated together. If you're using a version of excel with enough rows in it (rofl) you can do it in seconds. You want to vaccinate everyone, don't you?

[Davgooner]

I'm so bored waiting for the results of my day 2 PCR that I've logged on here. What the fuck is happening lads.

:wave:

[Yevrah]

Hey Dav, how's it going? The van keeping well?

[Davgooner]

I'm OK, sustained in my dark moments by thoughts of Aaron Ramsdale.

[niko_cee]

You're looking for problems that don't exist, which is symptomatic of this whole shitshow.

:checkit:

[Boydy]

They should let Magic into whatever pubs and kebab shops he wants because we really need Gubbed 2.

[7om]

I don't care about LFT's, I'd moved on from them in my own post. It's merging two lists, PCR's + Vaccinated together. If you're using a version of excel with enough rows in it (rofl) you can do it in seconds. You want to vaccinate everyone, don't you?

I couldn't give a shit about public policy. I'm just addressing your post on the last page.

[-james-]

Currently in the queue for my booster. First two jabs I strolled right through to nurse Patel, this time there's a queue that looks like it'll take the best part of an hour. Heroes, all of them.

[Yevrah]

I couldn't give a shit about public policy. I'm just addressing your post on the last page.

And you've offered nothing as to why we shouldn't be using positive PCR tests in a vaccine passport. Hell, Spikey's argument for not was much better.

[7om]

And you've offered nothing as to why we shouldn't be using positive PCR tests in a vaccine passport. Hell, Spikey's argument for not was much better.

I guess you probably could use it, in cases where a person is not vaccinated. But if your infection was not confirmed by PCR then you would have to revert to the vaccination status (because LFTs are useless).

[Boydy]

Queues at the two vaccine centres at hospitals in Belfast are about two and a half hours long apparently. I queued for about two hours back in May and July for my first two but I don't think I can be fucked with standing in the December cold for two hours.

[Raoul Duke]

Because their scientists are working from mud huts? And we gave all the credence in the World to their data that suggested Omicron was a potential problem in the first place.

More because they're the ones who are being penalised with flight bans and what have you. Of course they'll say it's just the sniffles.

[Yevrah]

More because they're the ones who are being penalised with flight bans and what have you. Of course they'll say it's just the sniffles.

The bans have just been lifted. And by that logic, they wouldn't have told anyone in the first place.

[Manc]

Currently in the queue for my booster.

Get a job you useless cunt.

[SvN]

Had my booster this afternoon, I was in and out within 10 minutes. Didn't even have to wait afterwards unlike the previous two.

[Waffdon]

Get a job you useless cunt.

Can you not get yours during work hours whilst being paid? Lolz.

[niko_cee]

Rules aligned with UK so kids back to school tomorrow [no mandatory isolation for contacts]. :joy:

[Kikó]

It’s pretty well established that the immunity you get from an infection is better than that from a vaccine. The vaccine might only target a handful of sites on the surface of the virus but your immune system will go after everything.

Is that right? I thought it was the opposite.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-natural-immunity-what-you-need-to-know

Having the virus, I think, is only useful if you encounter the same virus again not a mutation.

[Giggles]

They should let Magic into whatever pubs and kebab shops he wants because we really need Gubbed 2.

Especially if they finish the job this time.

[7om]

Is that right? I thought it was the opposite.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-natural-immunity-what-you-need-to-know

Having the virus, I think, is only useful if you encounter the same virus again not a mutation.

I’m not going to argue against Johns Hopkins. My point mainly was that the immune response to a natural infection is a lot more diverse than that to a vaccine. Then you have to factor in viral loads in infection and how symptomatic somebody was which will affect durability. But I stand corrected.

[Magic]

Vaccine passports for England. Welcome to Scotland. :)

[Spikey M]

It's a backwards step, not a backwards decade.

[Yevrah]

Compulsory Covid passes - showing proof of full vaccination, a recent negative test or recovery from Covid - to enter nightclubs and other large venues

I don't know whether it was appallingly reported, or things changed in the last couple of days, but that is much better than it could have been.

[Lewis]

Queues at the two vaccine centres at hospitals in Belfast are about two and a half hours long apparently. I queued for about two hours back in May and July for my first two but I don't think I can be fucked with standing in the December cold for two hours.

Can't even share a vaccine centre. :face:

[Magic]

The Mrs keeps getting sent lfts from the college she works at.

Stacking up dem codes for da club. :drool:

[Spikey M]

I'm sure she gets regularly jabbed by the lads on the Kickboxing course anyway.

[Magic]

That was my ex wife.

[Waffdon]

1470854588202995729

:drool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Trust Shaun Bailey to appear in every incident of shame.

[Yevrah]

Gotta applaud Boris' recruitment policy.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The guy in the jumper at the front is giving me massive John Duggan vibes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryCC32ZlpmY

[Magic]

Amazing. End of restrictions. :drool:

[Lewis]

A bunch of healthy young people who all work together anyway. It's fizzling out a bit this.

[Magic]

A bunch of healthy young people who all work together anyway. It's fizzling out a bit this.

Probably unvaccinated. They'll all be dead now.

[Lewis]

That spread would be a better target for the OUT OF TOUCH attacks.

[Magic]

A timely reminder the Met police were using the new lockdown rules to rape and kill innocent members of the public.

[Waffdon]

Apparently the police turned up on the night of the infamous party due to an alarm going off.

[phonics]

A timely reminder the Met police were using the new lockdown rules to rape and kill innocent members of the public.

What a reveal. The police have never abused their position of state and law to do either of those things before.

[Shindig]

Unprecedented times.

[7om]

The girl in the grey top, centre left, has massive tits.

[Magic]

What a reveal. The police have never abused their position of state and law to do either of those things before.

Yeah all those new lockdown laws that have been around for so long.

[phonics]

You’re a fucking moron if that’s how you read what I said.

[Boydy]

Can't even share a vaccine centre. :face:

:D

One's technically outside Belfast as it's not under the Belfast Trust but it's pretty much a suburb of Belfast.

[Giggles]

They'll all queue up for the queen's vaccine.

[Spikey M]

Bovid.

[Kikó]

Sinovac has no effectively against Omicron. Not great for China or most of the world that has relied on it.

[Shindig]

Based on a study of ten people. (https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1623858-20211212.htm)

[Pepe]

:harold:

[Spikey M]

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3159784/omicron-chinas-sinovac-covid-19-vaccine-fails-antibodies-test


The results, based on a laboratory study of blood samples from 50 vaccinated people, were released in a preprint paper ahead of peer review.

:uhoh:

[Magic]

Hopefully those fuckers see some huge deaths now.

[7om]

It’ll still probably provide reasonable protection against hospitalisation. I would imagine.

[Magic]

It’ll still probably provide reasonable protection against hospitalisation. I would imagine.

Can't help but feel this was typed through gritted teeth? :henn0rz:

[Kikó]

https://twitter.com/graciemaybe/status/1377974691269316609?t=VQS0oiqNjsg8VCx5ctSQzA&s=19


Pretty good thread against vaccine passports.

[7om]

Can't help but feel this was typed through gritted teeth? :henn0rz:

Why? I’ve had AZ.

[Spikey M]

Nobody over here has had the duff Chinese one have they? I thought it was mostly just themselves and Brazil.

[John Arne]

Only just clocked that Kimmich is going to miss 2-3 months of the season after catching the Rona.

He was not vaccinated :)



"Broadly, it was just difficult for me to deal with my fears and concerns, and that's why I remained undecided for so long, maybe I had to go through what I have now gone through first. Of course, looking back, I would like to make the vaccination decision earlier, but at the time it wasn't possible for me."

[Magic]

Why? I’ve had AZ.

Your wife lol

[7om]

Oh because she’s Chinese? Good one.

[SvN]

I wonder why Magic posts about people's wives so often.

[Spikey M]

He gets lonely on the rooftops.

[Lofty]

The girl in the grey top, centre left, has massive tits.

Decent, not massive.

[igor_balis]

Friend's missus works in parliament, Whitehall rumour is travel restrictions from next week (after last shopping wknd pre Xmas ofc), and lockdown in new year. She reckons it could just be a disgruntled civil servant talking shit though.

[niko_cee]

Aye, but your standards are probably out of whack with those of most normal folk Lofty.

In other covid news:

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/wuhan-lab-leak-now-most-121641328.html

Random crank or are we facing an extinction level Yevrage event? The Telegraph have been pretty strong on the anti-China front from the get-go.

[7om]

78,000 cases today. The news channels will be horrific tonight.

[Magic]

We're definitely going to get locked down up here. Already talk of going back to these fucking stupid tiers.

[Spikey M]

Plan C. :drool:

[randomlegend]

I generally don't care about lockdown much, but having to delay the wedding again would be a pain.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I honestly don't see what restrictions are going to achieve. This is going to spread like wildfire whether we like it or not.

[Yevrah]

Aye, but your standards are probably out of whack with those of most normal folk Lofty.

In other covid news:

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/wuhan-lab-leak-now-most-121641328.html

Random crank or are we facing an extinction level Yevrage event? The Telegraph have been pretty strong on the anti-China front from the get-go.

This is the key bit for me and has been for a long time.


Lord Ridley told MPs: “I also think it’s more likely than not because we have to face the fact after two months we knew the origins of Sars, and after a couple of months we knew Mers was though through camels, but after two years we still haven't found a single infected animal that could be the progenitor, and that’s incredibly surprising.

[Yevrah]

I honestly don't see what restrictions are going to achieve. This is going to spread like wildfire whether we like it or not.

A full lockdown is the only thing that would slow it down and even then there's not a hope in hell that's going to be followed in anything like the way the first two were.

[Spikey M]

I honestly don't see what restrictions are going to achieve. This is going to spread like wildfire whether we like it or not.

It's Lockdown and stop the spread or lump it and hope the Vaccines work. Fucking about with anything else is just gesture politics.

[Spikey M]

A full lockdown is the only thing that would slow it down and even then there's not a hope in hell that's going to be followed in anything like the way the first two were.

I agree. The only chance a Lockdown would be followed is if the deaths were to start going mental again, which they shouldn't.

[Yevrah]

I agree. The only chance a Lockdown would be followed is if the deaths were to start going mental again, which they shouldn't.

Indeed. We've given 47m people two doses and 25m of them a third dose. It's sad that our scientific advisers don't actually believe in science and ironic that they were prepared to let this thing run wild initially - they've got it completely arse about face.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's Lockdown and stop the spread or lump it and hope the Vaccines work. Fucking about with anything else is just gesture politics.

Lockdown at Christmas? Not gonna happen. Christmas actually reduces the number of social contacts compared to a normal week, so the best bet is just get on with it and ride out the storm. The storm will be shorter this way.

[Spikey M]

Indeed. We've given 47m people two doses and 25m of them a third dose. It's sad that our scientific advisers don't actually believe in science and ironic that they were prepared to let this thing run wild initially - they've got it completely arse about face.

Thing is even if disaster happens, Jimmy was spot on. BoJo had 100 Tories vote against him last night. If he tries for a lockdown he's a goner. It would actually be interesting to see how many dead people he's sacrifice to save his own arse.

[Spikey M]

Lockdown at Christmas? Not gonna happen. Christmas actually reduces the number of social contacts compared to a normal week, so the best bet is just get on with it and ride out the storm. The storm will be shorter this way.

No chance it happens just saying it's the only effective measure. All the rest of it is just noise.
.

[Yevrah]

Jimmy said Boris was gone, last I checked he's still in power.

[Magic]

This is interesting, we've ran out of testing kits, there's only 4,000 moronic cases today and yet we've just posted 78,000?

So is the old bovid having a resurgence as well or combining to make some sort of super sexy bovide?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Jimmy said Boris was gone, last I checked he's still in power.

He's a dead man walking. If they lose the Shropshire by-election tomorrow he'll have to get a lift back in a hearse.

[Yevrah]

And he's just got the number of COVID cases today wrong by a factor of 10. Magic and chums are going to love that.

[Don]

I lolled at them previously for being able to fire up hospitals in a matter of days and yet doing nothing to deal with NHS capacity for nearly 2 years but the fact we're now being forced into Plan C/another lockdown/mini furlough/12th booster jab as a result and all thanks to a tame variant that is largely indistinguishable from a cold is absolute scenes.

[Spikey M]

It's only because all the doctors are taking Christmas off.

[Boydy]

Boris looks fucking miserable today getting these questions. :drool:

[Manc]

Whitty is really laying it on thick here.

[Yevrah]

I'm not wholly sure this differing immunity point from Whitty on South Africa vs. here makes a great deal of sense.

[Jimmy Floyd]

What I'm getting is that C.Whitty is desperate for a lockdown/some form of increased restrictions, but B.Johnson doesn't have the political strength to be able to push them through (and, I suspect, R.Sunak won't pay for them).

[7om]

What’s the upshot? Any new restrictions? Can’t be arsed to watch.

[Yevrah]

What’s the upshot? Any new restrictions? Can’t be arsed to watch.

Get a booster, there is no good news from South Africa (for reasons), appeared to be the upshot of it.

[Queenslander]

Missus rang up yesterday to book a test as she felt she had symptoms but the cunt on the phone lol'd at her after she said she hadn't been to a hotspot...

Ill be re-joining the mujahedeen if she has the covid.

[Andrew]

Have a listen to the guest on Joe Rogan latest podcast.

Dr Peter A McCullogh goes over the treatment of COVID 19 and the (mis)management of the response to the ongoing pandemic.

Eye opening to say the least..

[Queenslander]

· Cardiologist and Fox News medical expert Dr. Peter McCullough


oof

[Shindig]

I'm just hoping we don't get number-fucked through this Omicron spike.

[Spikey M]

I know Shindi, I know.

[randomlegend]

Have a listen to the guest on Joe Rogan latest podcast.

Dr Peter A McCullogh goes over the treatment of COVID 19 and the (mis)management of the response to the ongoing pandemic.

Eye opening to say the least..


During the COVID-19 pandemic, McCullough promoted misinformation and falsehoods about COVID-19, the COVID-19 vaccine, and COVID-19 treatments.[4][5][6][7][8][9]

First paragraph of his wiki entry lol. He was advocating hydroxychloroquine early on. Oof indeed.

EDIT:
His wiki just gets better and better. "No evidence of asymptomatic spread". "Survivors cannot be re-infected". Etc.

[Pepe]

If only other SCIENCE members got the same scrutiny.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

First paragraph of his wiki entry lol. He was advocating hydroxychloroquine early on. Oof indeed.

EDIT:
His wiki just gets better and better. "No evidence of asymptomatic spread". "Survivors cannot be re-infected". Etc.

He was also on Joe Rogan's podcast...

[Yevrah]

If only other SCIENCE members got the same scrutiny.

You sound like you're getting dangerously close to where I am with all this Pep.

[Lofty]

Four doses, Whitty? Four? That's insane.

[Don]

Prem is going to have to be stopped thanks to this shit now, lord have mercy, this is truly the end of life as we know it. Esports and NFTs, what a time to not be alive.

[Andrew]

First paragraph of his wiki entry lol. He was advocating hydroxychloroquine early on. Oof indeed.

EDIT:
His wiki just gets better and better. "No evidence of asymptomatic spread". "Survivors cannot be re-infected". Etc.

If you listen to it it he explains his reasoning, not saying he's right or wrong etc but still interesting to listen to

[John Arne]

The UK embassy are loudly celebrating the fact that they just donated 310,000 Covid vaccines to Vietnam.

Only problem... If you zoom in you can see the expiry date of September 2021 :/

[Kikó]

If you listen to it it he explains his reasoning, not saying he's right or wrong etc but still interesting to listen to

That's not how SCIENCE works. Anything on Joe Rogan is a red flag for pseudo science bollocks.

[Spikey M]

He's that Ivermectin retard, right?

[Spikey M]

Also, Joe Rogan is only 2 letters away from Rogan Josh. Wake up sheeple.

[Pepe]

That's not how SCIENCE works. Anything on Joe Rogan is a red flag for pseudo science bollocks.

Does that include Roger Penrose?

[Pepe]

You sound like you're getting dangerously close to where I am with all this Pep.

I don't know where you are, but it is hard not to notice that if a scientist shows up in Fox, then he is SPREADING LIES, but if he is the NPR type, it is all good. Now, I am not saying that it is wrong to scrutinize what that person is saying, I just wish we did it to everyone.

[Queenslander]

Rupert Murdoch is a shit stirrer.

[Kikó]

Does that include Roger Penrose?

Everything.

[Don]

Shut the fuck up and post some [min 10k word count] medical papers and educate us.

[Yevrah]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XOerG5R290&t

Here's a 20 minute video on South Africa Taz. It's good news (I for one am shocked), but it does fly in the face of Whitty's "there is no good news" last night, so he's probably lying.

[Yevrah]

I don't know where you are, but it is hard not to notice that if a scientist shows up in Fox, then he is SPREADING LIES, but if he is the NPR type, it is all good. Now, I am not saying that it is wrong to scrutinize what that person is saying, I just wish we did it to everyone.

I don't watch US news, but it seems the same here. That also makes me realise that our journalists have now had two years on this and there is never ever a single question challenging anything scientific that Whitty or anyone else says at the briefings.

[Jimmy Floyd]

One of the problems is that the briefings are full of political number one journos (Kuenssberg, Peston, Rigby et al) looking to catch the PM out or ask political questions rather than health journos asking health questions.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Meanwhile the frozen dinners mob have come roaring back (ComRes):

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGp21lIWYAEHq_B?format=png&name=small

[Spikey M]

That "only allowed to leave the house for essential shopping" column is mental. There's no way these polls are actually representative of the population as a whole. They're absolutely pointless.

[Magic]

I tagged along to my dad's retired breakfast club thing and one of the lunatic women there does a lft every time she leaves the house. I didn't think these people were real.

She proceeded to be really nasty about a few people and fire in to a Spoons english breakfast. Real benefit to society having her around.

[Spikey M]

Do you lot called a fry up an "English Breakfast" up there? I don't think we even call it a "Full English" down here any more.

[Jimmy Floyd]

That "only allowed to leave the house for essential shopping" column is mental. There's no way these polls are actually representative of the population as a whole. They're absolutely pointless.

They are representative of the population as a whole, that's the beauty of them.

People like everyone on this board, who try to have fun and interesting experiences in life, are not in the majority.

[Spikey M]

They are representative of the population as a whole, that's the beauty of them.

People like everyone on this board, who try to have fun and interesting experiences in life, are not in the majority.

47% of people want full lockdown? I just can't see it. I know one person that wants that. Other than that everyone is happy plodding along with masks and distancing.

It's either the way the questions are framed or simply that the people bothering to answer these polls are massive drips by default. I suspect a combination af the 2.

[Don]

An even split wanting lockdown doesn't compute here either if I was to go on personal experience but neither would any vaccination uptake of greater than 20%. That's one good thing about this affair, it's been a good indicator of the mindset of peers and society as a whole.

[Jimmy Floyd]

47% of people want full lockdown? I just can't see it. I know one person that wants that. Other than that everyone is happy plodding along with masks and distancing.

It's either the way the questions are framed or simply that the people bothering to answer these polls are massive drips by default. I suspect a combination af the 2.

You, like everyone, mainly talk to like-minded people. If you want to imagine, go on Google Street View into a random street in Oldham or Rochdale or Basingstoke or, I dunno, Harlow, and think what every boring cunt in every one of those houses thinks.

[Kikó]

Yep. Your friend group is unlikely to be representative of the UK.

[Offshore Toon]

Most people don't just talk to their friend group, though. You have colleagues and random interactions that give you an indication of what the wider population think, which helps you gauge what the overall sentiment might be. I know full well that 47% would not be right here, although it was never going to be as high as the UK.

[Ian]

Do you lot called a fry up an "English Breakfast" up there? I don't think we even call it a "Full English" down here any more.

I've seen it done various ways. Sometimes they'll specify a Scottish breakfast if that means it's got lorne/square, potato scones, etc. But it usually will have those so sometimes that's just a full breakfast.

About time this thread got onto something actually interesting.

[Spikey M]

My friends would be 100% opposed.

My family would pretty much just be "ooh, be careful!" with the exception of my Sister in Law ( who has pulled her kid out of school and still has her husband strip in the hall and immediately shower when he gets home from work).

My extended family ranges from Antigua, to Cornwall, to Newcastle and they're all plodding along.

Outside of that, my work colleagues are much the same. There was one Team Fear resident, but she has been talking about her trips to Christmas Markets (come at me Igor) etc, so her head has returned.

I also spend a large amount of my time on the phone to "customers" and 9 times out of 10 their reaction to the word Covid is "Oh, I've had enough of that rubbish".

The only setting that I encounter any real worry is from the uppermanagement and I take that to be mostly arse covering.

47% of the population is a big number. It's basically every Remain voter and I have no trouble finding them.

[Don]

Most people don't just talk to their friend group, though. You have colleagues and random interactions that give you an indication of what the wider population think, which helps you gauge what the overall sentiment might be. I know full well that 47% would not be right here, although it was never going to be as high as the UK.

Very rare to have genuine random interactions though, more likely you chat to a load of people who you share much with under the guise of 'that was a randomer'. Get down the bridge club or local ramblers scene and survey the mood.

[Spikey M]

I've seen it done various ways. Sometimes they'll specify a Scottish breakfast if that means it's got lorne/square, potato scones, etc. But it usually will have those so sometimes that's just a full breakfast.

About time this thread got onto something actually interesting.

What is Lorne? It looks like a square sausage patty? Why do we not get them down here and who do I complain to?

[niko_cee]

Aye, square slice. I presume public health reasons are why it is rarely found outside of Scotland.

[Ian]

I'd be surprised if you don't have a proper butcher near you that does it. But yeah, it comes essentially looking like a block of mince that is then sliced and fried as you'd expect. Think it's got spices through it too. I would still choose a really good 'link' sausage (if you just ask for sausage in your breakfast roll you'll get square 9/10 times so I'm in the habit of thinking of them as 'links' now) but square is good.

I'm sure we were able to get it when I lived in England from one butcher but not the supermarkets usually.

EDIT: Saying I'd be surprised if you can't is strong, but I'd say there's a reasonable chance you can get it somewhere local.

[Offshore Toon]

Square sausage. :drool:

[Spikey M]

I'm going to have to track this down now. :drool:

I'll walk up the butchers on lunch.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Most people don't just talk to their friend group, though. You have colleagues and random interactions that give you an indication of what the wider population think, which helps you gauge what the overall sentiment might be. I know full well that 47% would not be right here, although it was never going to be as high as the UK.

Most people talk to about 50-100 people who by definition share one or more social contexts with them. A poll is a scientifically weighted sample of the whole population. There is no comparison, the poll is far more accurate.

In this case I would say the 47% will be an alliance of WFH droids, loonies (that's about 15% of the population, of whom half will be the opposite kind of loony), and to a great extent, looking at the underlying numbers given by Comres, just legions and legions of dull people aged over 55.

[Offshore Toon]

Very rare to have genuine random interactions though, more likely you chat to a load of people who you share much with under the guise of 'that was a randomer'. Get down the bridge club or local ramblers scene and survey the mood.
As rare as you think it may be, you take that into consideration. The only possible explanation is that 40%+ of the population are refusing to leave their house so I haven't been able to gather their opinions at the petrol station.

[Offshore Toon]

Most people talk to about 50-100 people who by definition share one or more social contexts with them. A poll is a scientifically weighted sample of the whole population. There is no comparison, the poll is far more accurate.

In this case I would say the 47% will be an alliance of WFH droids, loonies (that's about 15% of the population, of whom half will be the opposite kind of loony), and to a great extent, looking at the underlying numbers given by Comres, just legions and legions of dull people aged over 55.
I do think it's within the realm of possibility for the UK since half the country are spastics.

[Spikey M]

I do think it's within the realm of possibility for the UK since half the country are spastics.

That would be surprisingly low.

It's also highly probable that only said spastics are responding to the poll.

[Yevrah]

47% seems a tad high, but I think (for the reasons Jimmy's stated) our circles won't be that representative and there are a shitload of people who are absolutely terrified and hold the misguided belief that another lockdown would make it all go away, when in reality it just kicks the can down the road.

I hesitate to say culture war as I hate the phrase (for reasons), but is this a prime example of that? People (myself included obviously) care more about this issue than anything they have for a long long time.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The poll people know what they're doing. They wouldn't have a business if they were churning out absolute shite on a daily basis. Most of their work is for market research for businesses, the political stuff is a loss leader for marketing reasons.

[Magic]

Lockdown supporters:

Incels
Losers
Public Sector/3rd Sector workers
Operational/Service private sector workers
Mothers
Do-gooders
People who do 60mph in the outside lane
People who live in new builds
Depressed people who want everyone to be as miserable as they are

[Jimmy Floyd]

I am 2-3 of those things and don't want a lockdown. Check your facts.

[Spikey M]

Magic is atleast 3 of them herself.

I'm not even going to fix that typo.

[Offshore Toon]

The poll people know what they're doing. They wouldn't have a business if they were churning out absolute shite on a daily basis. Most of their work is for market research for businesses, the political stuff is a loss leader for marketing reasons.
I don't necessarily agree with this. It's like saying newspapers wouldn't have a business if they were churning out absolute shite on a daily basis, yet here we are. There's a market for anything these days. I'm not saying all of their polls will be a load of shit, but they aren't going to be on the money every time.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Yeah, but their business is in being correct.