Coronavirus Death Thread

[randomlegend]

The ones that would have died if they'd got the flu, or the cold, or pneumonia or anything other mild virus due to their underlying health condish?

Pray tell, the ones that died from starvation, abuse etc, what about them?

Well yes them, since covid doesn't act like any other mild virus or cold, but also the ones who died of or were extremely unwell with PIMSTS despite being previously fit and well.

Yes, the vulnerable children who've been out of school are a concern, but I can personally attest to the enormous amount of work schools have been doing to keep up contact and support them as best as possible.

[Shindig]

Magic falling back on "They would've died anyway." is kind of dumb when this is a new thing that largely hit us outside flu season and has no seasonality.

[Magic]

Well yes them, since covid doesn't act like any other mild virus or cold, but also the ones who died of or were extremely unwell with PIMSTS despite being previously fit and well.

Yes, the vulnerable children who've been out of school are a concern, but I can personally attest to the enormous amount of work schools have been doing to keep up contact and support them as best as possible.

Ok so cool, but we didn't care before?

And through an online medium that they won't have access to. Yep top work. There are always winners and losers in any situation that calls for action, and the irony here is that by not protecting our vulnerable and weak, we've fucking screwed our vulnerable and weak.

The mask laws now are virtue signalling at best.

[Magic]

Magic falling back on "They would've died anyway." is kind of dumb when this is a new thing that largely hit us outside flu season and has no seasonality.

I didn't say that, I said they'd have died anyway if they'd have caught anything, not just Corona.

[Shindig]

We have treatments for the other things.

[Magic]

We have treatments for the other things.

For the flu? And pneumonia? In a compromised patient? You don't half talk some shit Shinners. We understand you desperately want this to be such a disaster it keeps you insignificant, but the reality says otherwise.

[Lewis]

This is why we should have never locked down.

[randomlegend]

And through an online medium that they won't have access to. Yep top work. There are always winners and losers in any situation that calls for action, and the irony here is that by not protecting our vulnerable and weak, we've fucking screwed our vulnerable and weak.


No, not through the online platform. I live with a SENCO and directly deal with the fallout for these kids, arguing with someone as ignorant as you is pointless.

[Ian]

I can't believe all this "but they make my ears all hurty :(" chat is making me wistfully remember the days when this thread was just people fapping at graphs.

[Magic]

No, not through the online platform. I live with a SENCO and directly deal with the fallout for these kids, arguing with someone as ignorant as you is pointless.

I'm not on about disabled kids RL.

However, I am on a course with several social care workers, and they said FIRST HAND years and years of hard work had been reset to zero pretty much overnight.

[Magic]

I can't believe all this "but they make my ears all hurty :(" chat is making me wistfully remember the days when this thread was just people fapping at graphs.

Nobody is saying that Welbs, so come off the bandwagon.

[Shindig]

For the flu? And pneumonia? In a compromised patient? You don't half talk some shit Shinners. We understand you desperately want this to be such a disaster it keeps you insignificant, but the reality says otherwise.


I'm bored of this now, thought we'd be looking at 3k deaths per day and it's just fluttering around 200 like an annoying midgie.

Are we having a celebratory thread when they break the 1000 barrier?

Announcing lockdown at 20:30 :drool:

You've enjoyed this way too much.

[Magic]

Aye initially, but keen to get back to normal now as I got my dopamine hit.

[randomlegend]

I'm not on about disabled kids RL.

However, I am on a course with several social care workers, and they said FIRST HAND years and years of hard work had been reset to zero pretty much overnight.

Neither am I.

[Ian]

Nobody is saying that Welbs, so come off the bandwagon.

Imagine I'd said whatever your own complaint about the mild discomfort was, the same applies.

[Manc]

I think Jim's point is a valid one. People will be far less likely to visit the high street if a mask is required in every venue.

[Jimmy Floyd]

What I'm glad about is that I nicked a load of masks from work all the way back in March to cover for this eventuality, so I won't have to get any from the profiteering corner shop crooks.

[Magic]

What I'm glad about is that I nicked a load of masks from work all the way back in March to cover for this eventuality, so I won't have to get any from the profiteering corner shop crooks.

You'll only ever need one mask, unless it breaks no need to replace. Remember they aren't to protect you.

[Boydy]

Seems like Magic's stupidity broke the board for a bit there.

[Magic]

Yes my common sense certainly did.

[Manc]

Is this 120,000 figure a running total?

[Shindig]

I don't think so. The graph they trot out shows a peak as high as the one we've been through but much more prolonged. Given that we've had something like 60k already, this could potentially be 120,000 in a separated peak. This is all weird though as they usually have big margins of error. Worst case scenario has 250,000 which sounds a lot like what they predicted about the first wave. It's been reported with the number being the story because... well, numbers!

I don't see it being anywhere near as bad but coughs and sneezes spread diseases. The face covering stuff is way late in the day but it should take the edge off whatever cold and flu season we wind up having.

https://acmedsci.ac.uk/file-download/51353957

The full report for cleverer people than me.

[Don]

180K cull of the weak should do a lot of good from a resource POV on the NHS and social care system. Really thought people had dropped their sensitivities to this but this morning's mass vaginal bleeding in here clearly shows there's a long way to go. The ultimate goal should be not for people to treat it as the flu but rather cancer, mitigate major risks through these public policies, leave the rest to individual responsibility and not fucking cry tears for the 200K nobodies who get taken away by it.

[Waffdon]

Yes my common sense certainly did.

6 days without a death, first ‘Monday total’ without a death since March. PO opens in 2 weeks :cool:

[Magic]

6 days without a death, first ‘Monday total’ without a death since March. PO opens in 2 weeks :cool:

Going out on the 16th and 18th for sesh in town. :drool:

[Andy]

Do we just try and carry on as best we can through a second wave? That is genuinely terrifying.

[Waffdon]

Going out on the 16th and 18th for sesh in town. :drool:

I went to Fort and Woodlands last Monday and it was great. Booked Bell Tree for 4.30 on Friday as their beer garden is good and decent pints. Not sure what pubs are opening in town as not all Greene King pubs are opening until nearer end of month

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1283024185426677760

Monsieur le président always a day behind the Earl of Johnson.

[Magic]

I went to Fort and Woodlands last Monday and it was great. Booked Bell Tree for 4.30 on Friday as their beer garden is good and decent pints. Not sure what pubs are opening in town as not all Greene King pubs are opening until nearer end of month

Booked Royal Arch for a few pints tonight on street. Going to rip the arse out of this and lol at all the automatons on here scared to leave their houses. :happycry:

Also just booked somewhere in Edinburgh as well on Sat day before our sesh on Sat night. Super spreading :drool:

[Boydy]

Coronavirus warning from Italy: Effects of COVID-19 could be worse than first thought (https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-warning-from-italy-effects-of-covid-19-could-be-worse-than-first-thought-12027348)

[Waffdon]

Booked Royal Arch for a few pints tonight on street. Going to rip the arse out of this and lol at all the automatons on here scared to leave their houses. :happycry:

Also just booked somewhere in Edinburgh as well on Sat day before our sesh on Sat night. Super spreading :drool:

Any idea if Jollys is opening? Feel dirty for going but fuck all other places sell Heineken

[Magic]

Any idea if Jollys is opening? Feel dirty for going but fuck all other places sell Heineken

Aye think it's towards end of the month. £1.29 and there will be no mongals there apparently as they are avoiding due to their politics. :drool:

[Boydy]

https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1283024185426677760

Monsieur le président always a day behind the Earl of Johnson.

Ahead on this though:

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[Jimmy Floyd]

His splurge of goodies on Bastille Day is very Johnson-esque. Tax cut for young graduates! He's like a 20 years late Blair but without the substance.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Peter Hitchens fully committing to calling them 'muzzles' instead of masks really is splendid dedication to the cause.

[Lewis]

He clearly started wearing a gas mask on the train expecting the rule to be ditched at some point, and now he's worked himself into a shoot.

[Waffdon]

Aye think it's towards end of the month. £1.29 and there will be no mongals there apparently as they are avoiding due to their politics. :drool:

Yeah, a lot of my social circle are like that. I wouldn’t normally to into a Wetherspoons but Jollys is absolutely brilliant other than a few of the usual Spoons suspects

[Giggles]

Wearing a mask is not that bad ffs. What an overreaction for a few weeks of inconvenience.

You’ve never been more correct.

[Magic]

Yeah, a lot of my social circle are like that. I wouldn’t normally to into a Wetherspoons but Jollys is absolutely brilliant other than a few of the usual Spoons suspects

Whereever the opinionated, gormless fucks don't drink is where I'll flock to.

#inb4giggles

[Giggles]

I wouldn’t darken the door of a Wetherspoons.

[Shindig]

Depends on the Wetherspoons. There's two in Durham centre and the clientele is wildly different.

[Waffdon]

I wouldn’t darken the door of a Wetherspoons.

I would normally agree but they have the best pints and as I say, really doesn’t come across as a Wetherspoons other than noticing their horrific plates. Wouldn’t ever eat in there mind

[Giggles]

Depends on the Wetherspoons. There's two in Durham centre and the clientele is wildly different.

Nah not with that cunt owning it. I normally wouldn’t have much sympathy for people who end up in those jobs but him and Pat McDonagh are two absolute cretins and will never get a penny off me.

[Shindig]

Testing took a slump today. 59,000 processed. 398 positives.

1951 patients in hospital, 162 on ventilators.

[Giggles]

33 new cases here today. That’s the restaurants taking effect. Another good number tomorrow and it’ll hopefully stop the pubs opening next week and force them to do something about forcing visitors to quarantine.

[Giggles]

:cool:


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[Magic]

Testing took a slump today. 59,000 processed. 398 positives.

1951 patients in hospital, 162 on ventilators.

Get a life ffs

[Shindig]

Get a diagnosis.

[Queenslander]

It's just a flu...


There are currently 105 patients in Victorian hospitals, with more than a quarter of those in an intensive care unit.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-15/victoria-should-brace-for-second-wave-of-coronavirus-deaths/12455398

[Boydy]

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Oh great.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Tuesdays are the highest ones here as they're catching up the weekend backlog.

[Waffdon]

Yeah, Tuesday and Wednesday are usually the two highest days so he’s chatting shite with that statement. We’re 7 days without a death related to it. Cases will be booming in a few weeks you’d imagine with pubs opening today

[Manc]

Booked in with my barber for the 22nd. :drool:

[Giggles]

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Oh great.

We’ll be up near three figures daily again before the end of next week. Though lol at everyone thinking it’s a second wave.


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[Waffdon]

Booked in with my barber for the 22nd. :drool:

I’ve got next Monday at 6pm which is perfect. He text saying he’ll decide on the day whether he can do the beard as well. Are we having to wear a mask whilst getting it cut?!

[Giggles]

Looking like mandatory face coverings soon and they’re not opening the pubs. Excellent.

[Giggles]

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[Shindig]

Oof. Thoughts and prayers, mate.

[Giggles]

Oof. Thoughts and prayers, mate.

Great news. Pubs don’t need to be open and coverings need to be worn.

Thought I’d slightly question the ‘experts’ that are calling the rise in a first wave a second wave. The real second wave will be huge.

[Lewis]

A few big retailers have said they aren't going to enforce the masks rule (probably because could they anyway?), and small businesses can hardly afford to be turning people away, so are plainclothes coppers going to be prowling the shelves and nailing people?

[Giggles]

A few big retailers have said they aren't going to enforce the masks rule (probably because could they anyway?), and small businesses can hardly afford to be turning people away, so are plainclothes coppers going to be prowling the shelves and nailing people?

Need the public to grow a pair.

[Don]

August 10th? Jesus :D

At this point the majority's life is back to pre-lockdown conditions outside of work and travel. If indeed it is that you can keep the virus in check through simply controlling those two areas then great but me thinks that to be unlikely.

[Giggles]

August 10th? Jesus :D

At this point the majority's life is back to pre-lockdown conditions outside of work and travel. If indeed it is that you can keep the virus in check through simply controlling those two areas then great but me thinks that to be unlikely.

It’s only in check because of regulations.

[Don]

I better see a noticeable spike within a fortnight then. Google has UK case graph starting on 6 March with 29, 134 on 13th and 647 on 20th. We're on 500ish currently. I want four figures by 1st August, nothing less.

[Alex]

A few big retailers have said they aren't going to enforce the masks rule (probably because could they anyway?), and small businesses can hardly afford to be turning people away, so are plainclothes coppers going to be prowling the shelves and nailing people?

I'm not even sure how they could. "I've got asthma, I'm exempt". Amongst various get-out excuses you could give them. What are they going to do? Start asking people to present a note from their doctor at the nearest police station to prove their exemption is valid in the next fortnight or else they'll be issued with a fine?

I feel I should point out this isn't any sort of comment on my personal feelings about whether we should or should not be wearing them, I'm just saying. It's surely impossible to enforce if somebody really doesn't want to wear one.

[Boydy]

If they can police only letting so many in at once, why can't they police masks?

Also, what are the health conditions that supposedly make you exempt? If you're that bad that you can't wear a mask, you should probably be staying inside anyway.

[mugbull]

August 10th? Jesus :D

At this point the majority's life is back to pre-lockdown conditions outside of work and travel. If indeed it is that you can keep the virus in check through simply controlling those two areas then great but me thinks that to be unlikely.

I can't go listen to techno at a warehouse, sadly, which is the most significant thing lockdown took away and won't be back until 2021, if ever

[Giggles]

If they can police only letting so many in at once, why can't they police masks?

Also, what are the health conditions that supposedly make you exempt? If you're that bad that you can't wear a mask, you should probably be staying inside anyway.

Exactly. The health conditions are only excuses. Heads need to be cracked and enough of people acting the cunt.

[Don]

If they can police only letting so many in at once, why can't they police masks?

Also, what are the health conditions that supposedly make you exempt? If you're that bad that you can't wear a mask, you should probably be staying inside anyway.

The one I'll be using is it causes trauma of when my dad used to gag me in the basement before rogering me. Mental health :drool:


I can't go listen to techno at a warehouse, sadly, which is the most significant thing lockdown took away and won't be back until 2021, if ever

You're preaching to the choir, I just meant for purposes of the general population. Nightclubs are clearly a hotspot but I don't imagine they're the single decided in it being controlled or not.

[phonics]

I can't go listen to techno at a warehouse, sadly, which is the most significant thing lockdown took away and won't be back until 2021, if ever


https://youtu.be/U-mTMrYF73g

[Alex]

If they can police only letting so many in at once, why can't they police masks?

Also, what are the health conditions that supposedly make you exempt? If you're that bad that you can't wear a mask, you should probably be staying inside anyway.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own

Section 5.

One of which is:


if putting on, wearing or removing a face covering will cause you severe distress

I mean, that's just gives you carte blanche to be a wanker about it if you really want to, doesn't it?

[phonics]

Entering a building dedicated to transporting people somewhere for the last half a century makes Magic so distressed he loses control of his bladder. No wonder he's so anti-mask.

[Ian]

It's really reassuring that our government can't even get their shit together long enough to agree a stance on whether you need a mask to buy a sandwich to take out of Pret.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I made my mask debut this morning, I actually look better in one I think. Might do a career change to cowboy or bank robber.

[Ian]

My mask debut was yesterday. It was a bit odd but I managed to not have a tantrum about snowflakes so I don't have any gammon symptoms.

[Manc]

Cowboy going off @ odds on.

[Giggles]

Pub association looking for a ban on alcohol sales here altogether, until they can open naturally. The carnage will be something to behold but it's not a bad idea.

[Boydy]

Pub association looking for a ban on alcohol sales here altogether, until they can open naturally. The carnage will be something to behold but it's not a bad idea.
What, like off licences and everything?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Irish pub association lobbies for prohibition, truly what a year it's been.

[Lofty]

Shemima Begum is coming back to fight her citizenship case now so mask outrage is already old hat.

[Baz]

Got told today that if you don’t change your mask every 2 hours then it stops working. LOL at that. Disgusting when you think about it.

No doubt the fat gimp working the till in Aldi the other day had had his on for about eight hours, for no reason whatsoever.

[Giggles]

What, like off licences and everything?

Yep, no sales altogether. Would be a good way of stopping most house parties but really it's just the VFI throwing their toys out after not being allowed to open next Monday. If it happens I'd love to own an off licence in Newry or Armagh.

[Queenslander]

Pubs are great.

[Ian]

Somebody put that hot take on the TTH Twitter, reel the new members in.

[Giggles]

Pubs are great.

They were. Might never be the same again.

[Boydy]

Yep, no sales altogether. Would be a good way of stopping most house parties but really it's just the VFI throwing their toys out after not being allowed to open next Monday. If it happens I'd love to own an off licence in Newry or Armagh.
Christ, yeah. They'd absolutely rake it in if it happened. Might get into smuggling some down over the border myself if it happens.

[Queenslander]

They were. Might never be the same again.

East Brisbane pubs are back to normal.

[Giggles]

East Brisbane pubs are back to normal.

Even if ours had opened you couldn't sit at the bar or even go to the bar. Basically glorified restaurants.

Table service :sick:

[Queenslander]

Im sorry.

Still have to sign my session entry point on their list. Bar service and the glorious pokie machines are back yuck

Sport on everywhere.

[Manc]

Sitting at the bar is the action of a man who has lost at life.

[Queenslander]

Service at the bar then drink at your table

[Andy]

I thought it would all be table service here but I've been to a few pubs and they're all doing bar service as usual just with perspex screens.

[Giggles]

Tables are for women. The men sit up at the bar and grunt at each other.

High tables with stools are somewhat acceptable with company.

[Queenslander]

I meant high table.

[Baz]

Sitting at the bar is the action of a man who has lost at life.

Surely it depends who you’re with (if anyone).

[Manc]

I rest my case.

[niko_cee]

Pubs are completely back to normal here and absolutely ram-jammed all the time.

Can confirm they are as they were before all this, so not sure about 'never be the same again'.

[Magic]

Pubs are completely back to normal here and absolutely ram-jammed all the time.

Can confirm they are as they were before all this, so not sure about 'never be the same again'.

"2nd wave".

[John]

The two pubs local to me opened up yesterday and the police had shut one of them down before nine oclock as three separate massive fights had broken out in that time.

[randomlegend]

Hospitals this winter are going to be armageddon.

[Spikey M]

As they have been for the last 10.

[Shindig]

Are flu patients usually quarantined in hospitals? At least this winter, we know coronavirus is out there.

[Lewis]

Won't it have offed half the people who would have been backing them up in winter?

[randomlegend]

As they have been for the last 10.

Yes, they already couldn't cope. It's going to be BAD.

[randomlegend]

Are flu patients usually quarantined in hospitals? At least this winter, we know coronavirus is out there.

Proven ones are in my experience, but I've rarely seen adults tested in the past because it doesn't change management.

[Don]

Won't it have offed half the people who would have been backing them up in winter?

What's the opposite of excess deaths? Insufficient deaths?

[Lewis]

Isn't part of the total up to now down to it catching a load of people who lucked out with the previous mild winter?

[Queenslander]

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[Giggles]

If the UK aren't on our green travel list when it's published I have no idea how they're going to manage that one.

[CJay]

If the UK aren't on our green travel list when it's published I have no idea how they're going to manage that one.

No idea either. You’re fine coming from NI so if you fly into Belfast or Derry then you can just do as you please. Not that it’s going to be policed - so what’s the point?

Talk of going back to phase 2 for Ireland sucks. We have a holiday in Mayo in a few weeks. 🙁

[Giggles]

Ah, I didn't realise NI wasn't included. At least it makes it a bit more awkward though.

[Spikey M]

Borris needs to stop trying to convince employers to make their staff go back to the office. The fanny.

[Yevrah]

Borris needs to stop trying to convince employers to make their staff go back to the office. The fanny.

It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. If it's not advisable to be in a supermarket without a mask (albeit that's obviously fine until next week) then how on earth is it advisable to cram a load of people back into offices that don't really need to be there yet.

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/15/death-commuter-extinction-level-event-london/

This is why he is.

[Alex]

Borris needs to stop trying to convince employers to make their staff go back to the office. The fanny.

It is weird. I mean, I would be happy to go back to the office myself, I'm getting a bit bored at home. Some sort of split would be nice. But the company told us they don't want us back in until next year just last week. Whether they change that on the back of this latest communication, I've no idea.

I can only assume this is somehow tied in with getting us all buying shit again. I personally haven't filled the car up once in the last three months as I effectively, bar the occasional run to the shops or whatever, only drove to work and back. The amount of money I've saved by not buying my lunch everyday is significant too. Presumably he wants the tax from all that back in his pocket.

[Boydy]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/15/death-commuter-extinction-level-event-london/

This is why he is.

Copy and paste?

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[Jimmy Floyd]

Oh, I forgot I even had a Telegraph account.


This was the week when the penny finally dropped. The prevalence of coronavirus may have collapsed across Britain, but we are not returning to our old, carefree ways for the foreseeable future. This will have immense, permanent consequences for our economy and way of life. Its most devastating impact will be on central London, which is facing an extinction-level event.

The Government’s mask-wearing edict shows that it remains terrified of a second wave, and doesn’t understand why, whether or when the virus will return. Its only solution remains a vaccine or a cure: prospects are promising, but it will be months at best before mass inoculations can begin.

It’s not just in Britain where neither the establishment nor the bulk of the public is prepared to live with the virus. California is shutting its restaurants again, Los Angeles and San Diego won’t be reopening schools, Melbourne is back in lockdown, Israel is in crisis, and masks will be mandatory in French public spaces.

For better or worse, neither West nor East will tolerate a resurgence in infections; they will hunker down again. There is apparently no other plan, no hope until we get a vaccine or cure. This über risk-averse approach will also apply to any major new virus: social distancing, masks and home-working are bound to be reintroduced each time a new infectious disease appears anywhere in the world, and even during significant flu seasons.

The implications will, in many cases, be catastrophic. The old order could have survived a once-in-a-generation government-subsidised hibernation, an extended Christmas holiday; it cannot cope with indefinite social distancing, and the threat of similar shocks every three to four years. We now face an excruciating period of destruction as malinvestment is purged, jobs are cut, debt is written off and resources are reallocated.

The private sector is already adjusting: many will delay the return to offices planned for September, regardless of official advice. Why move workers back if this will need to be reversed in November or December in the event of a second wave? The longer workers stay at home, the less likely they are ever to come back fully. I don’t know a single employer who believes they will revert to previous levels of office working. The interaction of the virus and technology will create a new class divide in Britain: those who can work from home, and those who can’t.

Until now, the most successful geographies were those that attracted members of the former category. Yet this is now a recipe for disaster: London’s economic and political business model has suddenly been rendered unsustainable, with office districts turned into ghost towns. The Greater London Authority, and Transport for London, its main asset, are, in effect, bankrupt, with nearly empty Tubes meaning fare revenues are in freefall, reliant on handouts from the Government. Devolution is over, de facto if not de jure. Sadiq Khan has accelerated his own demise by hyping the risks of public transport, but his likely reelection next year will mean nothing. His power – other than to infuriate his Tory minority in London by tolerating graffiti, hiking the congestion fee, shutting roads and cutting the police – has evaporated.

The private sector, for its part, is facing gargantuan structural losses: the economics of offices and retail is predicated on mass commuting and tourism. The former won’t fully come back; the latter will take a year or two. The arts, luxury, fashion, transport, hospitality, restaurant and many service industries face decimation. It’s a full-on biotic crisis: London’s economic ecosystem is suffering an immense decline in diversity. Lower-paid jobs, in particular, are being culled; the population could fall, with tens of thousands returning to Europe.


Ever since the Eighties, Britain has led the way in shifting its economy to exportable knowledge work, with an emerging London megalopolis cashing in on agglomeration effects and the increasing returns to scale from the clustering and networking of educated workers, entrepreneurs and firms.

In 1986, the Big Bang transformed the City; in 1988, Lord Lawson slashed the top rate of tax from 60 to 40 per cent; in 1991, Canary Wharf opened for business. Starting with Michael Howard’s time as Home Secretary, a crackdown on crime made inner London a safer place for the middle class. In the 1990s, Tony Blair massively increased immigration; and billions were spent on public transport, culminating in London’s population recently smashing its previous 1939 record of 8.6 million.

A few years ago, Bridget Rosewell, an economist, revealed how the capital lost 1 million, mostly manufacturing, jobs on radial routes in the suburbs over three decades and created 1 million, mostly high-value-added services jobs in central London. Suburban factories and offices became homes. Economic activity became hyper-concentrated in the centre. This model was seen globally as a triumph of renewal. There were risks: it was contingent on staving off urban decay, avoiding terrorism, making sure taxes were not hiked, ongoing vast subsidies to public transport, continued globalisation, containing property prices – and yes, avoiding pandemics.

As to the downsides: the rest of the UK failed to pull off its own transition, becoming addicted to transfers from London; and the capital’s culture shifted corrosively, becoming the epicentre of Remainia, Corbynite attitudes and intolerant illiberalism.

This is a moment of extreme danger for the economy, which faces a productivity shock if agglomeration effects cannot be replicated when workers scatter widely, but there is a way out. Boris Johnson must not seek to prop up bankrupt central London investors. Instead, he must allow the market to work, and encourage Tory heartlands – suburbia, exurbia and smaller cities – to hoover up London refugees, workers who no longer need to commute daily. New, more spacious, houses will need to be built, not just tiny city-centre flats, as well as a new generation of suburban or out-of-town flexible offices. We will need electric cars, not HS2.

It once seemed that levelling up was about making the rest of the country more like London – now, it is the opposite. Britain’s only hope is a suburban renaissance.

[Boydy]

Death to Canary Wharf. :drool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

I am from just outside London and I am I think the only one of my friends from the area who has stayed in the area, rather than putting the farm into buying or renting nice and close to the centre of London (either because their jobs are there, or they like the 'buzz', or they just think it's the done thing, or whatever).

I am pretty smug now, if I wasn't before.

[Disco]

The concentration of stuff in London is mental so this seems like good news to me.

[mugbull]

That article is more than a bit doomsday prophet. In plenty of countries everything is almost entirely normal

[Lewis]

I had a theory years ago that you could 're-balance' things out of London by just ending railway subsidies (two birds, one stone). Put this onto the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity pile with shutting half the universities and flattening Leicester.

[phonics]

People don't use female because you end up sounding like Mahow.

[Don]

Death to Canary Wharf. :drool:

This.


I am from just outside London and I am I think the only one of my friends from the area who has stayed in the area, rather than putting the farm into buying or renting nice and close to the centre of London (either because their jobs are there, or they like the 'buzz', or they just think it's the done thing, or whatever).

I am pretty smug now, if I wasn't before.

This.


That article is more than a bit doomsday prophet. In plenty of countries everything is almost entirely normal

And on this, isn't every large city going to be undergoing this? It doesn't sound like something specific to London. It's a speeding up of the inevitable given technological advancement

[Kikó]

I'd be very happy with a 2 day a month in office experience.

[Raoul Duke]

Also nicely hides the fact that Brexit was starting to fist London anyway

[phonics]

This.



This.



And on this, isn't every large city going to be undergoing this? It doesn't sound like something specific to London. It's a speeding up of the inevitable given technological advancement

Paris is on fire from protestors. Milan is full of people in suits drinking espressos. Geneva is full of Saudi ‘royalty’ on holiday. Everything seems pretty normal here.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Think that was the whole idea of why (a lot of) people voted for Brexit.

[Giggles]

I'd be very happy with a 2 day a month in office experience.

Hopefully companies outsource every job. Too many people get too comfy doing nothing from home. .

[Spikey M]

Think that was the whole idea of why (a lot of) people voted for Brexit.

I like that this post could easily be in response to any of the three posts above it.

[Giggles]

Think that was the whole idea of why (a lot of) people voted for Brexit.

:D

[Shindig]

Hopefully companies outsource every job. Too many people get too comfy doing nothing from home. .

My productivity's never been higher. :D

[Giggles]

We have live sport back on telly for the first time since. It may be low level stuff but it’s still glorious :drool:

[Kikó]

Hopefully companies outsource every job. Too many people get too comfy doing nothing from home. .

Speak for yourself you lazy cunt.

[Giggles]

Speak for yourself you lazy cunt.

Big nerve touched there :lol:

I’ve worked the whole way through this so I don’t know where you’re getting lazy from fucker.


.

[Kikó]

It's only a joke fella.

Same here though. Actually finding myself running longer days at time because I can log in when I wake up and then still check emails until late. The disconnect is definitely harder.

[Spikey M]

The door is open.

[Giggles]

People need tabs kept on them.

[Kikó]

Hire better people.

[Giggles]

Hire better people.

:nodd:

Ones that will go to work.

[Kikó]

Proximity to the office doesn't = productivity. Maybe it does to dinosaurs like you. 😏

[Giggles]

I wouldn’t know with my current job. I can’t work from home or watch Netflix in work.

[Kikó]

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/fatherted/images/0/0b/Pat_Mustard.jpg/revision/latest/top-crop/width/360/height/450?cb=20161006003053

[Giggles]

Top notch Dad.

[Manc]

IActually finding myself running longer days at time because I can log in when I wake up and then still check emails until late. The disconnect is definitely harder.

I've seen far too many cases of people working long into the evening.

[Foe]

Perfect storm of people being worried about their job security and easy access to their working environment.

Employers will bang home about health and well being but if someone wants to work for free they’re not going to turn it down.

I’m pretty disciplined in working really hard during my hours and then trying to switch off entirely after - emergency aside.

It’s a slippery slope into mental health issues.

[Manc]

People who don't value thier time will continuously get mugged off.

[-james-]

Had a haircut and played a game of fives today. Absolutely incredible scenes.

[Spikey M]

I've seen far too many cases of people working long into the evening.

My manager once asked me to keep my phone on over the weekend because a troublesome 'customer' was kicking off as we were only open during his own working hours and it would 'only take 2 minutes' to sort out. It would have too. But that's 2 minutes of my time. So no.

I log on at 9, take an hour for lunch, log off at 5. Anyone working in their own time wants their head testing.

[Manc]

A 35 hour week is filthy. I miss those days.

[Lewis]

I have my break at the end of the day and use it to leave early. :galaxybrain:

[Giggles]

I go in two hours early for quiet no chat time and then skip lunch so I can piss off around half 3 or 4.

[Yevrah]

My manager once asked me to keep my phone on over the weekend because a troublesome 'customer' was kicking off as we were only open during his own working hours and it would 'only take 2 minutes' to sort out. It would have too. But that's 2 minutes of my time. So no.

I log on at 9, take an hour for lunch, log off at 5. Anyone working in their own time wants their head testing.

If you're working solidly for those 7 hours a day, then fine, but you're not, are you? No one does.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The good thing about my place is we do straight 8.30-5, no fucking about. One of my colleagues takes this incredibly literally, though - whereas normal people will go until 5.05 or even, perish the thought, 5.10 if it's worth it to finish a deal or a quote, he will storm out of the room at 5:00:00, no questions asked, even if it means stopping typing mid-sentence. He also refuses to answer the phone after 4.30pm for this reason in case it overruns, which I find pathetic and unprofessional but that's left wing Italians for you.

And then he wonders why he got furloughed and I didn't.

[Giggles]

If you're working solidly for those 7 hours a day, then fine, but you're not, are you? No one does.

Even if you were, cunt companies would still expect it.

Even if I’m away on a job, once I’m out at 5 the phone won’t be answered even if I’ve a 3 hour drive home.

[Yevrah]

Even if you were, cunt companies would still expect it.

Even if I’m away on a job, once I’m out at 5 the phone won’t be answered even if I’ve a 3 hour drive home.

Very possibly, but it's a slippery slope to go down, for a lot of people.

[Giggles]

Very possibly, but it's a slippery slope to go down, for a lot of people.

It’s the right road to go down. This culture of getting dirty looks when you only stay an hour after your actual finishing time is the slippery slope.

[Spikey M]

If you're working solidly for those 7 hours a day, then fine, but you're not, are you? No one does.

Never mind. The weekend is still mine and will remain so.

[Shindig]

I work my normal hours. I was asked to split a shift to cover some work on the weekend but that didn't involve any extra hours. I just finished early on Friday and finished the shift off on Sunday. Piss.

[Don]

Was in East London yesterday and social distancing was turned off on a large-scale. Open the fucking clubs.

[Giggles]

He’s not wrong in fairness.


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[Don]

On the face-covering laws coming in, I haven't looked at official legislation yet but I'd imagine walking around as below would not be in contravention of them, right? I like the idea as a silent protest.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/aozU7-BZiNHmdlPqTh956eD7LN2ZXggaLeugIto2rdJUL4zT4MItdhUK SjRPt2lMQ7vOXLx5Xso-NfPaQDKtyhu-VtkpkH_74dmtCww0ZAJBLsFWBO6w38cnciblls7782XevWAw6a ncVItTXMH0BcylIQ1YJA

[Lofty]

Peak junior school 'someone farted' move

[Shindig]

Yep, although it works.

[randomlegend]

On the face-covering laws coming in, I haven't looked at official legislation yet but I'd imagine walking around as below would not be in contravention of them, right? I like the idea as a silent protest.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/aozU7-BZiNHmdlPqTh956eD7LN2ZXggaLeugIto2rdJUL4zT4MItdhUK SjRPt2lMQ7vOXLx5Xso-NfPaQDKtyhu-VtkpkH_74dmtCww0ZAJBLsFWBO6w38cnciblls7782XevWAw6a ncVItTXMH0BcylIQ1YJA

I think it has to be a 3 layer covering, so yes that would contravene the legislation. I'd still do it if I were you though because it'll be funny if you get fined/arrested.

[Don]

I think it has to be a 3 layer covering, so yes that would contravene the legislation. I'd still do it if I were you though because it'll be funny if you get fined/arrested.

That's some peak Sancho talk if ever I've heard it.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own

See instructions for how to make one and PM me a private apology of no less than 150 words by 3pm, you melt.

[randomlegend]

That's some peak Sancho talk if ever I've heard it.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own

See instructions for how to make one and PM me a private apology of no less than 150 words by 3pm, you melt.

Firstly:


I think

Secondly:



ideally include at least two layers of fabric (the World Health Organisation recommends three depending on the fabric used)

[mugbull]

The Horld Wealth Organization also recommended 0 layers a few months back

[Yevrah]

The Horld Wealth Organization also recommended 0 layers a few months back

What with our piss poor handling of face masks I'd forgotten that that shower had that as their line.

[Don]

WHO guidelines :D

You have less than 2 hours, RL, I've ensured my PMs are clear.

[Disco]

The cowboy neckerchief pulled up over the face is the way forward, a rootin-tootin way to stop the spread.

[Kikó]

The who not recommending something will be forever held against them forever more.

[Yevrah]

If that were their only fuck up in all this one could be a tad more forgiving, but it was far from their only one.

[mugbull]

The who not recommending something will be forever held against them forever more.

They didn't not recommend it, they recommended against it.

[randomlegend]

I wouldn't be surprised if the reason some of the people who recommended against masks initially did so because they know people are retarded toddlers and they'd only put up with wearing them for a short period of time, so they saved it up as a measure for later.

[Giggles]

They’d be affecting peoples mental health within a week.

[randomlegend]

I saw someone claim they had an exemption from wearing one due to anxiety the other day.

[Lewis]

The behavioural scientists donning it again.

[Yevrah]

I wouldn't be surprised if the reason some of the people who recommended against masks initially did so because they know people are retarded toddlers and they'd only put up with wearing them for a short period of time, so they saved it up as a measure for later.

Let a queue of 50,000 future dead build up before you introduce measures that would have prevented some of those deaths? Makes perfect sense.

[randomlegend]

Let a queue of 50,000 future dead build up before you introduce measures that would have prevented some of those deaths? Makes perfect sense.

It might have prevented some in the short term, but if everyone gets fed up of all the measures put in place and stops doing anything at all, all at once, then it'd be worse longer term. That makes some sense in my head but whether it's factually correct idk.

[Don]

I see the new thing is doing a fun quiz to find out and share your 'COVID age' :face:

[Spikey M]

We went to Peppa Pig World this weekend and the Covid precautions are just box ticking pretence at this point.

Nobody was wearing masks (ourselves included) bar a few staff members.

They had 'virtual queues' for the busiest rides, but this just leads to an informal queue near the actual queue.

I've had less intimate sexual encounters than some of the queues and all of them have lasted less time.

No details were taken at any point. I easily spent 20 minutes+ in the company of strangers. How is track and trace meant to notify me/them if someone gets Covid?

It pretty much felt like business as usual to me.

[Baz]

I see the new thing is doing a fun quiz to find out and share your 'COVID age' :face:
Post it then ffs

[Jimmy Floyd]

Having been involved in several cricket matches now, no matter how well you try and do these things, strict social distancing just is not a realistic policy at all. It's completely against the essence of human nature.

[Shindig]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-53465160

Now you can track and trace whilst you isolate.

[Queenslander]

Whoopsies

https://i.ibb.co/j8C2ZDn/FB-IMG-1595231533857.jpg (https://ibb.co/yNz1BqH)

https://i.ibb.co/xF1LMmx/FB-IMG-1595233844712.jpg (https://ibb.co/cY63Nb4)

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53469839

The Oxford Vaccine works (atleast partialy)

[Lewis]

With that and the promising new treatments everybody under seventy ought to just be allowed to chance it before long.

[Don]

Typical tory twat. I've had to +4 to my COVID age cause I'm a muzzy and another +2 cause I take my Nando's extra hot so I'll be fucked if I'm leaving my house for anything other than restocking up my sourdough starter.

[Boydy]

With that and the promising new treatments everybody under seventy ought to just be allowed to chance it before long.

It can make you go bald.

[Lewis]

I won't be needing either of them. I meant for the losers who can't see it off naturally.

[7om]

The vaccine has been shown to produce an antibody response. The link we need to make, and has yet to be determined, is whether production of antibodies confers protection to the wild virus.

It's promising, though. I'd expect it to be approved before the end of the year.

[Boydy]

I won't be needing either of them. I meant for the losers who can't see it off naturally.
I meant covid can.

[Lewis]

It was that the manelets are at higher risk.

[Shindig]

The vaccine has been shown to produce an antibody response. The link we need to make, and has yet to be determined, is whether production of antibodies confers protection to the wild virus.

It's promising, though. I'd expect it to be approved before the end of the year.

By the sounds of it, antibodies and t-cells are produced.

[7om]

By the sounds of it, antibodies and t-cells are produced.

That's what they found yeah. They also did a study a few months back with the same vaccine in monkeys and found the immunised group had protection from severe symptoms.

If we can make that same link in humans then AstraZeneca are going to make an insane amount of money.

[Shindig]

I can't wait for the Russian one to come out months ahead of the rest. Like that Concorde they made that had no brakes.

[Dquincy]

My manager once asked me to keep my phone on over the weekend because a troublesome 'customer' was kicking off as we were only open during his own working hours and it would 'only take 2 minutes' to sort out. It would have too. But that's 2 minutes of my time. So no.

I log on at 9, take an hour for lunch, log off at 5. Anyone working in their own time wants their head testing.

I work during the evenings and over the weekend (dipping in and out of emails, etc). I did this before and after lockdown. I don't think I could ever just shut off at 5.30pm. I guess it might depend on the job role and industry.

Does your strict approach to work/life balance affect chances of promotion? Or are you not bothered by all that?

[Spoonsky]

I lied about having symptoms to get a test last weekend, since we're going to visit my grandma. That shit is unpleasant.

[Spikey M]

I work during the evenings and over the weekend (dipping in and out of emails, etc). I did this before and after lockdown. I don't think I could ever just shut off at 5.30pm. I guess it might depend on the job role and industry.

Does your strict approach to work/life balance affect chances of promotion? Or are you not bothered by all that?

I hate the place and everyone involved with it. Had this shit not happened I'd probably already be working elsewhere.

[Dquincy]

I hate the place and everyone involved with it. Had this shit not happened I'd probably already be working elsewhere.
Fair play.

I think I've worked outside of 'office hours' slightly less since the pandemic. But this is mainly because our work flow has slowed down, which is not great considering the bigger picture.

So many people think that the office is no longer required (certainly in it's previous form) and home working is the way forward. But this appears to generally be the views of employees rather than employers. It's a lot harder to manage staff and quality control in this remote environment. Also the graduates need closer contact to manage and help them develop, imo.

Ps. Interesting post about peper pig world. We're all the rides open? Queues OK?

[niko_cee]

Are they limiting capacity in terms of how many people they let into zoos/theme parks etcs in the UK? I guess that wouldn't be noticeable at Peppa Pig World seeing as the cap would probably apply to the whole of the bigger park, which is always deserted, so everyone would just be in the pig's domain even if it was technically only at 50% capacity.

[Spikey M]

Are they limiting capacity in terms of how many people they let into zoos/theme parks etcs in the UK? I guess that wouldn't be noticeable at Peppa Pig World seeing as the cap would probably apply to the whole of the bigger park, which is always deserted, so everyone would just be in the pig's domain even if it was technically only at 50% capacity.


Yep. The main problem is that Paultons itself is huge, but Peppa Pig World its self is both the most popular and quite compact.

The virtual queue for some of the rides was over 2 hours long. On the other side of the park we were able to walk onto rides with no wait time.


Fair play.

I think I've worked outside of 'office hours' slightly less since the pandemic. But this is mainly because our work flow has slowed down, which is not great considering the bigger picture.

So many people think that the office is no longer required (certainly in it's previous form) and home working is the way forward. But this appears to generally be the views of employees rather than employers. It's a lot harder to manage staff and quality control in this remote environment. Also the graduates need closer contact to manage and help them develop, imo.

Ps. Interesting post about peper pig world. We're all the rides open? Queues OK?

Yep, everything open. They were taking steps to social distance on the rides (skipping every other seat etc.) But that just made the queues worse, and there was fuck all distancing there. Which is no surprise when 50% of the attendees are under 5.

[niko_cee]

And the other 50% are probably leaning towards the sweet embrace of corona-related death from the experience of being there.

[Shindig]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53478404

Man, if I was civil service proper, I'd be loving that. :moop:

[Spikey M]

3.1% of fuck all isn't alot.

[Jimmy Floyd]

There are some things that make me glad I'm highly unlikely ever to have children, and the apparent existence of 'Peppa Pig World' is up there with the best of them.

[Shindig]

3.1% of fuck all isn't alot.

I got 0.75% last year and this year we're getting no rise. It's better than that.

[Dquincy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53478404

Man, if I was civil service proper, I'd be loving that. :moop:

My neighbours are teachers. They have been loving their lockdown life. Initially they were at home at the start of lockdown. And since the schools started prioritising key worker children they've had a rota of 1 week in school and 1 week at home. The week in school there are hardly any kids to look after (albeit that has changed recently) and the week 'working' at home is spent by them sunbathing, playing golf and doing anything but work.

All on full pay.

[Lofty]

What industry is that?

On the railway if it's less than 5% every year there is uproar.

[Shindig]

Benefits. The DWP farm out the assessment side of things to us but we work with their systems, their data and their customers. But we don't get the same money. Sometimes it works out (when there's a pay sector freeze whilst we still get bumped up) and sometimes it doesn't. As a private company, they can do what they like with their payroll and they can always play the Corona card when it comes to this year's pay.

I shouldn't whinge, really. There's more senior people in the office that do the same role as me on better money. And with about 40 days holiday.

[Don]

The payrise missing certain workers and leading to some calling it unjustified for others, some NHS protection clause being voted down and I think the Russia report is due to be released today? Twitter servers really earning their money today.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think everyone should be given a payrise, except people who don't deserve one.

[Raoul Duke]

If you're not getting a pay rise at least at the inflation rate, you're getting a pay cut

[Shindig]

A former National Security Agency (NSA) contractor who admitted passing secret information to the media has contracted coronavirus in jail.

Reality Winner, 28, was sentenced to more than five years in prison for leaking an NSA report on alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 US election.

I also had a giggle at someone with the surname 'Cockins' today.

[phonics]

Her story is absolutely tragic, she was a big pro-Glenn Greenwald guy because of his work with Snowden and he was vehemently pushing the line of "There's no proof of Russia trying to affect our elections" that she sent the evidence they'd hacked the Florida voter role. He pawned the story off on some junior editor who did none of the security clearance work and the FBI had her under arrest less than 48 hours later.

[mugbull]

Her story is absolutely tragic, she was a big pro-Glenn Greenwald guy because of his work with Snowden and he was vehemently pushing the line of "There's no proof of Russia trying to affect our elections" that she sent the evidence they'd hacked the Florida voter role. He pawned the story off on some junior editor who did none of the security clearance work and the FBI had her under arrest less than 48 hours later.

Greenwald never said that, he just believes that the interference wasn't anywhere near as big a deal as Democrats are making it seem and that there wasn't collusion. Also makes the valid point that while Democrats were constantly op-edding about "why trump may not accept the election results if he loses - and WHAT this MEANs for our democracy", once he won the Dems did just that vis a vis Russia 'stealing the election'.

[Don]

The care homes are open again but a group of young people with single digit BMIs can't congregate for a dance? Fuck the shut up.

[Giggles]

Your dancing is irrelevant.

[Spoonsky]

Greenwald never said that, he just believes that the interference wasn't anywhere near as big a deal as Democrats are making it seem and that there wasn't collusion. Also makes the valid point that while Democrats were constantly op-edding about "why trump may not accept the election results if he loses - and WHAT this MEANs for our democracy", once he won the Dems did just that vis a vis Russia 'stealing the election'.

It's not like Obama refused to concede or anything, which is what I think people worry about with Trump.

[Don]

Your dancing is irrelevant.

Not half as much as your life, I assure you, but no one should restrict either.

Cracking piece on BBC News about those with learning difficulties dealing with lockdown :D

[Giggles]

Not half as much as your life, I assure you, but no one should restrict either.

Cracking piece on BBC News about those with learning difficulties dealing with lockdown :D

Were they dancing too?

[randomlegend]

He's just told you he's not allowed to dance.

[Don]

Stop with the fucking flirting and let's get naughty, boys.

[Shindig]

They tell you the new normal won't be that bad but it's ripe for a line-dancing renaissance.

[Spikey M]

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[Lewis]

Right, everyone back inside forever.

[Shindig]

I can look at that very graph for 1st July and see a 7-day average of 711. It's going back up but it hasn't doubled.

[Boydy]

What are decent reusable masks to buy?

They should be three layers, right?

[Don]

Get a scarf on and stop killing dolphins, you cunt.

[Spikey M]

Right, everyone back inside forever.

We booked a holiday for the end of August. If this shit fucks another one I'll go postal.

[Shindig]

I picked up a sports mask with some filters for under a tenner. It's thin as fuck but the filters do the job.

[Lewis]

My next door neighbour has literally just asked me to do their bins this week because they've booked a last-minute trip to Spain.

[Boydy]

We booked a holiday for the end of August. If this shit fucks another one I'll go postal.
Europe warns of need for vigilance as Covid-19 cases rise sharply

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/24/europe-warns-of-need-for-vigilance-as-covid-19-cases-rise-sharply

[Don]

What sort of a helmet books a holiday now and then gets emosh when THE GLOBAL FUCKING PANDEMIC turns out to not disappear overnight to allow them to have their bottomless sangrias? Get the fuck into Butlins with a suitcase full of Dettol, you cunts.

[Spikey M]

Europe warns of need for vigilance as Covid-19 cases rise sharply

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/24/europe-warns-of-need-for-vigilance-as-covid-19-cases-rise-sharply

It's a UK one, so a little less likely but a local lock down is a real possibility.

[Spikey M]

What sort of a helmet books a holiday now and then gets emosh when THE GLOBAL FUCKING PANDEMIC turns out to not disappear overnight to allow them to have their bottomless sangrias? Get the fuck into Butlins with a suitcase full of Dettol, you cunts.

We are going to Butlins. :D

[niko_cee]

:D

I'm also due to be attending the UK in a few weeks (not Butlins mind) so if you're going to lapse back into some sort of lockdown it'd be appreciated if you could do it sooner rather than later, you filthy fuckers.

[Don]

Ah you meant another UK lockdown? Not a fucking chance. The NHS will burn like that Batman scene before me and my bredrins will accept that shite again.

[Yevrah]

I'm sort of with Taz on this one.

You either care most about the economy and industries or you care most about Covid. You can't open up tourism and then sound surprised that there's a rise in cases before imposing some bullshit 10 day wank before presumably repeating the cycle in perpetuity.

Humanity also seems really poor at dealing with this. Sans a vaccine and/or effective treatment we're basically employing methods that would have been used in the dark ages. We need to sort that shit out as if/when airborne Ebola does come, we'll never be leaving our houses again.

[niko_cee]

Humanity bad at dealing with this as opposed to?

Bats?

[Yevrah]

As in we should really be better at dealing with it.

[Shindig]

On the bright side, we've got the testing in place and have given local authorities more control to react over this. Germany, Italy and France might have lower case numbers but we're testing three times as much.

[Kikó]

I'm going to the Algarve in a couple of weeks and hoping they hit the safe zone before then. Otherwise it's home and in lockdown on return.

As long as the flights aren't cancelled.

[niko_cee]

As in we should really be better at dealing with it.

We're probably going to have developed a vaccine within 12 months of this thing coming into existence. Seems pretty good going to me.

[Lewis]

I'm sort of with Taz on this one.

You either care most about the economy and industries or you care most about Covid. You can't open up tourism and then sound surprised that there's a rise in cases before imposing some bullshit 10 day wank before presumably repeating the cycle in perpetuity.

Humanity also seems really poor at dealing with this. Sans a vaccine and/or effective treatment we're basically employing methods that would have been used in the dark ages. We need to sort that shit out as if/when airborne Ebola does come, we'll never be leaving our houses again.

This was obvious in early-March, and why the initial government approach was the right one. Now here we are, four months into a three week lockdown and people are still being pathetic.

[Boydy]

My next door neighbour has literally just asked me to do their bins this week because they've booked a last-minute trip to Spain.

Spain just added to the quarantine list. :lol:

[Spikey M]

On the bright side, we've got the testing in place and have given local authorities more control to react over this. Germany, Italy and France might have lower case numbers but we're testing three times as much.

We're claiming to test 3x as much.

[Boydy]

Yeah we're testing three times as much because they count your throat and each nostril as three separate tests.

[Don]

King of swabs.