Coronavirus Death Thread

[Jimmy Floyd]

The only detailed things I've read on the subject have suggested that the type of mutation required to make the virus vaccine-resistant would also cause it to become useless. I've not heard anything to the contrary other than the constant '...but there could be a vaccine-resistant mutation!!!' screeching which is used to justify the authoritarian/doomsday policies for which many need an excuse.

Delta is spreading like wildfire because it's ridiculously more transmissible, but it's still no match for vaccines. Vaccines, especially mRNA, are basically unbeatable.

[Yevrah]

It's just dawned on me that my approach to England winning something "it's very unlikely as I haven't seen it before" is the same as Fauci's in regard to whether the virus came from a lab or not.

[-james-]

The only detailed things I've read on the subject have suggested that the type of mutation required to make the virus vaccine-resistant would also cause it to become useless.

Got any links so I can quote this line verbatim next time I'm in the presence of someone having a meltdown?

I think it's the only thing worth shitting our pants over at this stage, and more cases -> more variants does seem quite logical, but it does also seem like pure conjecture.

[Jimmy Floyd]

More cases -> more variants is logical, but that's very different to more cases -> vaccine-resistant variants.

I can't begin to dredge up whatever I have read via twitter (3 or 4 times) on this but the basic logic behind it was that when you are vaccinated your immune system is being taught to 'remember' the pattern of the spike proteins (or protein spikes, whichever it is), so if the spike proteins were to change so markedly that they escaped the effect of the vaccination, then they would also have to have changed enough to render the virus a lot less virulent. Or something.

[Yevrah]

Let's ignore the last few weeks (and SCIENCE if we must) and say I've mostly dealt in logic throughout all of this. Even I would say virus mutation is not an area it should be applied to, so hit me the link too.

[Yevrah]

More cases -> more variants is logical, but that's very different to more cases -> vaccine-resistant variants.

I can't begin to dredge up whatever I have read via twitter (3 or 4 times) on this but the basic logic behind it was that when you are vaccinated your immune system is being taught to 'remember' the pattern of the spike proteins (or protein spikes, whichever it is), so if the spike proteins were to change so markedly that they escaped the effect of the vaccination, then they would also have to have changed enough to render the virus a lot less virulent. Or something.

Someone was also telling me over the weekend that even when antibodies are gone our bodies still remember some of the playbook for how to deal with shit we've experienced before.

That sounds logical, but not enough for me to die on a hill over it, so boffins, please correct it if it's horseshit.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The problem (as it has always been when it comes to SCIENCE meeting public discourse) is that a huge wall of 'We just don't know' - essential for good science but deathly for good public policy - is in the way.

[Magic]

Jimmy joining the plandemic club is quite something. Welcome, mate.

[Yevrah]

A month late I know, but Jon Stewart has been nicking my material.


I think we owe a great debt of gratitude to science. Science has in many ways helped ease the suffering of this pandemic — which was more than likely caused by science.

[7om]

Someone was also telling me over the weekend that even when antibodies are gone our bodies still remember some of the playbook for how to deal with shit we've experienced before.

That sounds logical, but not enough for me to die on a hill over it, so boffins, please correct it if it's horseshit.

Well antibodies are not the primary mechanism by which the body removes a virus. That’s why all the bollocks about waning antibody levels after X months is not meaningful. The body handles viruses via T cell immunity, a subset of which are called memory T cells and are activated once they come into contact with a virus which they’ve met before (previous infection or vaccination).

[Yevrah]

Jimmy joining the plandemic club is quite something. Welcome, mate.

Did I miss where you explained what you meant by Plandemic? I could guess, as others have, but that would be unfair.

[Magic]

He said 'boffins'.

[Magic]

Did I miss where you explained what you meant by Plandemic? I could guess, as others have, but that would be unfair.

It's just another one of my spectacular plays on words, such as novid.

[Yevrah]

Well antibodies are not the primary mechanism by which the body removes a virus. That’s why all the bollocks about waning antibody levels after X months is not meaningful. The body handles viruses via T cell immunity, a subset of which are called memory T cells and are activated once they come into contact with a virus which they’ve met before (previous infection or vaccination).

T cells, that was it. Cheers. Honestly, the more things you know about science (I know about three things now), the scarier the shit that's out there in the public domain becomes. 'We' are obsessed with antibodies, utterly fucking obsessed.

[Yevrah]

It's just another one of my spectacular plays on words, such as novid.

So it doesn't mean anything? I might as well read it as 'fish' when I see it?

[Ian]

Have you been looking for coherence in Magic's posts this whole time?

[Yevrah]

Have you been looking for coherence in Magic's posts this whole time?

Haha, I haven't. I just feel for the chap a bit now.

[Magic]

So it doesn't mean anything? I might as well read it as 'fish' when I see it?

No it does, I'm typing on a phone fucking delirious and can't be bothered answering you.

[Yevrah]

And now I feel less for you.

[Magic]

Oh no, my T cells are vibrating with that news.

[Yevrah]

I understand you're not well, but that's not my fault.

Well, it might be, but I have been at home for most of the last 16 months and followed rules better than a lot of people.

[Yevrah]

I was in Scotland in September....

[Yevrah]

When was the last WDYTOE? We should do one.

[7om]

No it does, I'm typing on a phone fucking delirious and can't be bothered answering you.

Do us all a favour and log out then, you pleb.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Sister's carer has got an official positive result from her PCR test. We've all had negatives from lateral flows though.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I understand you're not well, but that's not my fault.

Well, it might be, but I have been at home for most of the last 16 months and followed rules better than a lot of people.

He's not been well for most of his life.

[Offshore Toon]

REEElirious.

[Spikey M]

Mahow bowling stones in glass houses.

[Magic]

How's your carer How.

[randomlegend]

More cases -> more variants is logical, but that's very different to more cases -> vaccine-resistant variants.

I can't begin to dredge up whatever I have read via twitter (3 or 4 times) on this but the basic logic behind it was that when you are vaccinated your immune system is being taught to 'remember' the pattern of the spike proteins (or protein spikes, whichever it is), so if the spike proteins were to change so markedly that they escaped the effect of the vaccination, then they would also have to have changed enough to render the virus a lot less virulent. Or something.

I posted this exact thing in this thread about a year ago. The problem is nobody knows if it's actually true.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Mahow bowling stones in glass houses.
I don't know why more people don't do it. It's a lot of fun.

[Yevrah]

We definitely need a WDYTOE. Which are words I've never said or thought I would before.

I'll get on it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I posted this exact thing in this thread about a year ago. The problem is nobody knows if it's actually true.

Well, it has been true so far...

[randomlegend]

Well, it has been true so far...

:cab:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Of the bajillion variants and mutations so far, none has a) become prevalent and b) escaped vaccines.

So it's true to date. Been a while since those vaccines started going in arms, too.

[randomlegend]

Of the billions of coronavirus mutations, none have caused a worldwide pandemic which has killed millions of people. Until this one did.

[Jimmy Floyd]

And until that happened we lived happily and were able to go to museums and eat fish indoors. Many want those banned now.

[Spikey M]

Someone wants some more easter eggs next spring.

[randomlegend]

And again, I'm not saying which approach (opening up now or not) is right or wrong now. I know enough to know I don't know enough to judge. I just take issue with people going around like they know better and everyone with a different viewpoint (particularly people who are dramatically more knowledgeable about the subject) are stupid or dangerous.

We have had a few million years of data to know the likelihood of dangerous novel coronavirus' emerging. We have essentially no data on whether or not this type of virus could mutate to evade this type of vaccine. That's why "the scientists" are cautious. You are welcome to disagree and think it's worth taking the risk (despite not knowing what the risk is) but acting like they are crackpots is just monumentally ignorant.

[Spikey M]

Magic must be really ill to be letting all this slide.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm not acting like they are crackpots. I'm acting like their approach is unsuitable in the formation of public policy. Because it is.

[Pepe]

Anyone looking for some sense should just go here:

https://thezvi.wordpress.com/

[randomlegend]

I'm not acting like they are crackpots. I'm acting like their approach is unsuitable in the formation of public policy. Because it is.

By which you mean you don't like what their approach would mean given someone can't put an exact figure on what the risk is.

If the risk of a vaccine-avoiding and highly virulent varient emerging was 100% (it could be, who knows), I'd imagine you'd accept their approach was reasonable. But you (and nobody else) knows what the risk is, so how can you judge whether the approach is unsuitable?

[randomlegend]

And I'm not saying we just put scientists in charge and do everything they say. Just that perhaps it's worth listening to the people who've spent their lives studying this sort of thing and taking into account why they are saying what they are rather than just writing it off as "bullshit".

[Spikey M]

If the risk is 100%, then "let the bodies pile high" was the correct approach.

[Yevrah]

Of the billions of coronavirus mutations, none have caused a worldwide pandemic which has killed millions of people. Until this one did.

When you put it like that it's an even stronger argument as to where this came from.

[randomlegend]

That's the same argument as creationists use lol

[Yevrah]

And I'm not saying we just put scientists in charge and do everything they say. Just that perhaps it's worth listening to the people who've spent their lives studying this sort of thing and taking into account why they are saying what they are rather than just writing it off as "bullshit".

It's absolutely worth listening to them, to the point they start suggesting things that are practically unworkable, which for many of them, happened ages ago.

Honestly, my close the borders last year (which ironically almost all of them didn't support...) would have been easier to implement/done less damage than many of the things being suggested today...

[Yevrah]

That's the same argument as creationists use lol

Well it turns out Fauci and I use the same thought processes, but I'd have to ask him first if he's happy being in their company.

[Yevrah]

And of course, the best argument for it not coming from a lab would be if someone could prove where it did come from, which has so far taken far longer than SARS and MERS combined to do and we still haven't managed it....

[Luke Emia]

It's absolutely worth listening to them, to the point they start suggesting things that are practically unworkable, which for many of them, happened ages ago.

Honestly, my close the borders last year (which ironically almost all of them didn't support...) would have been easier to implement/done less damage than many of the things being suggested today...

I think that’s the biggest frustration. If we had gone full Strailia last March and not opened up the borders until this point whereby a vast proportion of the population are vaccinated now things would have been completely different. However, that was never going to happen.

It would of surely had less of a negative impact on the economy though.

[Spikey M]

Would we be vaccinated to anything like this extent then though? I doubt it.

[Lewis]

If we had shut the borders after the initial wave, which was actually realistic unlike doing it in February or whenever, we would be, because the government could have scared everybody into it with a return to that looming.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Our vaccination programme went postal on the back of Alpha (the artist formerly known as the Kent variant) going mental. If you think the various functions of our civil service would have acted with anything like the same urgency without the clear and present danger of a thousand deaths a day, then I fear you are overestimating the capabilities of our national bureaucracy.

[Luke Emia]

Would we be vaccinated to anything like this extent then though? I doubt it.

I think they would have still done the deals for the vaccine as realistically even back then it was obvious that’s the only way out.

Or just letting all the old and fat people die. Whichever really.

[Magic]

Now confirmed my double vacc bird has it just as bad as me. :harold:

[Shindig]

It's all fun and games until you can't push your kid on a swing without getting breathless.

[Magic]

Why would I do that to a 9 year old.

[Manc]

What a way to reveal your dating a house.

[Shindig]

Why would I do that to a 9 year old.

Because autism is hereditary.

[Dquincy]

Aren’t lateral flow tests for if you’re symptomless? When I had it, lateral flow tests said I didn’t.

Really? Because I've got a cracking dry cough at the mo that won't shift.

[Spikey M]

Another one :drool: [/DJKhaled]

[Dquincy]

It's absolutely worth listening to them, to the point they start suggesting things that are practically unworkable, which for many of them, happened ages ago.

Honestly, my close the borders last year (which ironically almost all of them didn't support...) would have been easier to implement/done less damage than many of the things being suggested today...

Why do you constantly try to reference previous perceived 'wins' or liken yourself to people more intelligent than you? It's fucking annoying.

[Yevrah]

Why do you constantly try to reference previous perceived 'wins' or liken yourself to people more intelligent than you? It's fucking annoying.

Save it for the WDYTOE thread.

[Yevrah]

Actually don't - It's because I've been less wrong about a pandemic than many experts. Which is a shocking indictment of their ability and credibility rather than a comment on my intelligence or lack of.

[Queenslander]

All the proof I need to declare that us bogans are immune to covid.


https://i.ibb.co/YTPZyCf/FB-IMG-1626493069001.jpg (https://imgbb.com/)

[Lofty]

What a way to reveal your dating a house.

:D

Plandemic, for those asking, is put forward by those who believe this facilitates a great reset and point to some conference about change Prince Charles and others spoke at pre covid. Undermined a bit by the government's desperate need to get things back to normal as the treasury is bled dry from all angles.

Freedom day looming lads, and the double jab non isolation rule is 4 weeks away. Wonder what the figures are like by that point. Hopefully not another lockdown, but if the government announce there wont be there definitely will be, such is their record of u-turns.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I don't see why there would need to be a lockdown. Hospital numbers are way down on the equivalent from last year, to the point where there would need to be hundreds of thousands of infections a day to get hospitals to the same point as before. 'Freedom day' shouldn't make a huge difference, as many will continue with masks etc and social distancing in reality went weeks ago anyway.

Our run in the Euros was a bit costly as it created so many millions of indoor gatherings and close contact. Southgate arguably a mass murderer.

[Yevrah]

I don't know whether the BBC should have a stories section, but here they are again, trying to terrify people:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-57866661


He is one of the fourth wave of Covid patients in Bradford Royal Infirmary. Last month the number of patients in the hospital with Covid was down to single figures, for the first time since last summer. This week it is heading towards 50, as the Delta variant conquers all before it.

Does it really?

[Yevrah]

You see, because elsewhere on the BBC I can do this:

https://i.postimg.cc/qMgXh0yW/Bradford.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Now, I'm not sure it's anything other than utterly irresponsible and factually incorrect to describe those figures as having conquered all before it.

[Mike]

Really? Because I've got a cracking dry cough at the mo that won't shift.
Yeah, when I had it, lateral flow said I didn’t. A full PCR one came back positive.

[Shindig]

Locally, we're up to 50 Covid patients. We were at 32 last week so it's not quite doubling. 5 on ventilators which is up from 3.

Nationally, case positivity is up to 3.8%. 1% up from last week.

People in hospital has increased by 1200 this week. Last week the increase was 700. The big question is when cases and admissions will start to slow again. 700 people from 277,995 positive cases gives you a 0.2% of this disease putting you in hospital but it's likely much less.

[Yevrah]

I don't know why people are still doing lateral flow tests. They don't work anything like properly enough and now I think about it the fact we were using them to test nurses and doctors before letting them back on a ward was crimous.

Dquincy, you've got COVID. Or at the very least you should be behaving as if you have.

[Giggles]

Second jab next Friday, should take around 3 days to get my passport and then I can go to the pub :cool:

[Magic]

Where you'll contract Covid from other vaccinated twerps.

[Offshore Toon]

People secretly like that lateral flow tests are shit. It gives you the result you need to carry on as you please.

[Kikó]

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Get vaccinated rapid.

[Shindig]

It's a shame we couldn't hastily recruit and restructure the NHS to deal with any of this (on top of the usual NHS workloads). I wonder if any of those retired doctors that came back in the first wave are still around?

[Yevrah]

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It would actually be useful if he could remember the numbers. Why is this happening now when it wasn't in wave 1 and 2? It suggests (as he does in a separate tweet himself) that these variants are more deadly, or at least cause more severe disease.

[Yevrah]

It's a shame we couldn't hastily recruit and restructure the NHS to deal with any of this (on top of the usual NHS workloads). I wonder if any of those retired doctors that came back in the first wave are still around?

I would imagine they took one look at the situation and ran for the hills. I can't say I blame them.

[Yevrah]

We also need cameras in our hospitals filming this stuff, warts and all. It can't be that hard to get consent from the families if you tell them it will help others, which it would.

[Giggles]

Where you'll contract Covid from other vaccinated twerps.

And it most likely won’t matter because I’ll be vaccinated and drinking creamy pints :)

[Giggles]

Though if this weather lasts then sitting outside would be preferable, vaccine passport or not.

[Don]

The cameras won't happen because the reality is nowhere near as alarming as some silly bint's tweets. Recent cases on the news have had a 94% incidence rate of having a mobility scooter in shot.

[7om]

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It would actually be useful if he could remember the numbers. Why is this happening now when it wasn't in wave 1 and 2? It suggests (as he does in a separate tweet himself) that these variants are more deadly, or at least cause more severe disease.

Well if his little anecdote is anything to go by, the hospitals are admitting people who haven’t been vaccinated. At this stage in the game that is either through personal choice or unfortunate medical circumstances. The vaccines are still working.

[Yevrah]

Well if his little anecdote is anything to go by, the hospitals are admitting people who haven’t been vaccinated. At this stage in the game that is either through personal choice or unfortunate medical circumstances. The vaccines are still working.

Course, but our hospitals weren't having to do that (admit 30 year olds) when no-one had been vaccinated, were they?

[Yevrah]

Here's some ITV camerawork.

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-07-14/never-been-this-ill-in-my-life-inside-a-covid-hospital-ward-where-patient-urges-others-to-get-jab

[-james-]

Course, but our hospitals weren't having to do that (admit 30 year olds) when no-one had been vaccinated, were they?

The portion of the population that is most at risk has shifted from pensioners last year, to Magic and the Plandemics this year.

[Shindig]

That's a rough 28, to be fair.

[Manc]

I’ll be vaccinated and drinking creamy pints :)

Is this a known side effect?

[Kikó]

Where you'll contract Covid from other vaccinated twerps.

Is your understanding here that the *vaccine* makes you more likely to get the virus?

[Magic]

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It would actually be useful if he could remember the numbers. Why is this happening now when it wasn't in wave 1 and 2? It suggests (as he does in a separate tweet himself) that these variants are more deadly, or at least cause more severe disease.

Grotesquely unprofessional. Narcissism appears to be the most prominent feature among NHS employees.

[randomlegend]

Is your understanding here that the *vaccine* makes you more likely to get the virus?

Let's not start tarring words like "understanding" with anything that Magic believes.

[Shindig]

Okay, let's just run the numbers here:

Covid Johnson has had it twice. Both times he's got pneumonia. Infection gives you about 5-6 months worth of immunity. That's possibly 100 more opportunities to get Covid in his lifetime. Each time doing damage on the way out.

[7om]

Course, but our hospitals weren't having to do that (admit 30 year olds) when no-one had been vaccinated, were they?

Honestly, I don’t know. Not sure I’ve seen the data on hospitalised age ranges.

[Magic]

I've had it once.

[Dquincy]

Actually don't - It's because I've been less wrong about a pandemic than many experts. Which is a shocking indictment of their ability and credibility rather than a comment on my intelligence or lack of.

OK (...I won't check to see if you're being truthful or deluded), but can you keep the back slapping to a minimum please. It's very unbecoming.

[Dquincy]

Yeah, when I had it, lateral flow said I didn’t. A full PCR one came back positive.

Didn't realise so many people on here had had it. Glad you've ok though. P.s. I'm not getting a PCR test.

I do find it weird how you can have it without any symptoms. Not to get all conspiracy theorist, but do the other coronaviruses have the ability to be asymptomatic in people?

[Spikey M]

Didn't realise so many people on here had had it. Glad you've ok though. P.s. I'm not getting a PCR test.

I do find it weird how you can have it without any symptoms. Not to get all conspiracy theorist, but do the other coronaviruses have the ability to be asymptomatic in people?

We have viruses and bacteria in our bodies without symptoms all the time. Only 10% of unvaccinated people that catch TB ever develop symptoms. I don't remember the numbers with HPV but it's similar.

[Shindig]

Yeah and I think the asymptomatic number for Covid is down to a third because we're associating more symptoms to it. Stuff like the loss of taste and smell.

[Dquincy]

I don't know why people are still doing lateral flow tests. They don't work anything like properly enough and now I think about it the fact we were using them to test nurses and doctors before letting them back on a ward was crimous.

Dquincy, you've got COVID. Or at the very least you should be behaving as if you have.

Went to a family BBQ today. :uhoh: It's one way to kill off the in-laws I guess.

#banter #dontbemeantomeIhavecovid

[Magic]

:drool:

UPDATE: they've all got it

[Dquincy]

We have viruses and bacteria in our bodies without symptoms all the time. Only 10% of unvaccinated people that catch TB ever develop symptoms. I don't remember the numbers with HPV but it's similar.

Good to know. :thumbs up:

[Dquincy]

For anyone that cares....Yev?

The below is in reference to the Delta variant only.

Based on figures from 9th July. Of the people who died from covid, that being a positive covid test in the previous 28 days, 118 died who had received 2 jabs (i.e. fully vaccinated) and 'only' 92 died who were unvaccinated (No even a single jab). The single jabbed people amounted to a further 47 deaths.

But when you look at people below 50 yrs old only, 2 died who were double jabbed and 21 died who were unvaccinated.

The data I've taken this from is PHE.

[ScousePig]

Actually don't - It's because I've been less wrong about a pandemic than many experts. Which is a shocking indictment of their ability and credibility rather than a comment on my intelligence or lack of.

You flip between 'we're doomed' and 'it's over' in the space of a few hours, so I'd probably calm down a bit.

[Spikey M]

You flip between 'we're doomed' and 'it's over' in the space of a few hours, so I'd probably calm down a bit.

We're in a really weird place right now where both are potentially true. The vaccines work really well, but the NHS is in tatters so even relatively low-level hospitalisations could trigger another lockdown regardless.

[Andrew]

Asda only offering a 3 month return on goods at my local store as the woman behind the counter said that they have been told to expect the store to be closed in another lock down soon after.


You heard it hear first folks I've been reliably informed by Debbi an Asda employee that we are all doomed.

*Sigh*

What a time to be alive..

[Offshore Toon]

Asda was on its way out anyway. Sainsbury's won't be far behind it. They offer nothing and don't seem bothered about adapting. When Aldi/Lidl roll out express stores they're done.

[Shindig]

Just to add on the death numbers, looking at England's rolling rates gives you an idea of what ages are dying.

Per 100,000 people

90+: 4.6
85-9: 3
80-4: 2
75-9: 1.5
70-4: 0.6
65-9: 0.6
60-4: 0.3
55-9: 0.3
50-4: 0.2

The increases on the heatmap are a good indicator of how slower deaths are rising this time around. For the 90+ the increase began 18th May from a rolling average of just 1 per 100,000. During the second wave, it took 3 weeks for the same increase to occur in September.

It's a lot slower but it's happening to the same age groups. Bear in mind we've got an ageing populace so the double vaccinated making up a majority of the deaths isn't surprising. In some areas, the rate of infection in the over 60s is at the same level of the second wave but these haven't translated to second wave numbers just yet.

[Spikey M]

Asda is just Aldi and Lidl without the magical middle aisle of random shite.

Sainsburys fulfills a purpose as the slippery slope between Tesco and "No, honestly, you get what you pay for. Waitrose Tomatoes have an acidity that you just don't get in...""

[Lewis]

Asda was on its way out anyway. Sainsbury's won't be far behind it. They offer nothing and don't seem bothered about adapting. When Aldi/Lidl roll out express stores they're done.

They would already be express shops if they ever had more than a third of their tills open.

[7om]

I love how Shindig has developed into our resident epidemiologist. Keep up the good work mate.

[Shindig]

I just like numbers. It should be Ital's job, really.

[Offshore Toon]

Yeah, to be fair, if you're not a mong and possess basic strategic knowledge of German till operations, you can get in and out pretty quick regardless.

As for you Spike, I think Aldi and Lidl beat Asda on quality and price and also throw in some random shit all over the shop to make it a far more interesting experience.

Sainsbury's do fill that gap, but it's not a gap that truly needs filling so they're going to have to wind it in a bit. Co-op is better than Sainsbury's too, although a bit limited, however they make the best onion and garlic dip. Not really sure how they're still about either, though.

It'll be a very Aldi/Lidl v Waitrose/M&S heavy future with Co-op and Tesco filling the gap imo.

[Manc]

Sainsbury's is the absolute go to supermarket for veggies & vegans. It's popularity will only increase.

[Offshore Toon]

Back on topic, I feel much worse today than yesterday. Second wave?

[Spikey M]

Second Rave :cool:

[Offshore Toon]

There's a bunker party two days after I'm free. Let's go. :rave:

[neo_hippy]

What's Israel like?

Weren't they well along the covid roll out with a smaller and denser population then the UK??

[Dquincy]

Lots of Jews, but quite sunny for most of the year.

[Spikey M]

2nd jab completed. 8:40 on a Sunday morning :moop:

[Andy]

2nd jab completed. 8:40 on a Sunday morning :moop:

Had my second one Friday afternoon. Managed to avoid any side effects both times luckily.

[Clunge]

Had mine Sat am. Sore arm but that's it. I've never had a reaction to any injection ever, tbh. Stuck about five pints of cider down my neck a couple of hours after the jab so I assume I'm immortal now.

[Dquincy]

2nd jab completed. 8:40 on a Sunday morning :moop:

Avoids the queues though. My mate had to queue 2 hours for his first jab.

In other news...funny how only the MPs get to take advantage of the daily testing “pilot scheme” to avoid isolation.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9798675/Sajid-Javid-tests-positive-Covid-amid-fears-No-10-pingdemic.html

[Don]

Rishi is gonna come down with it, isn't he, the dirty delta cunt.

[Shindig]

What's Israel like?

Weren't they well along the covid roll out with a smaller and denser population then the UK??

Cases have been rising for the last month slowly but steadily. They're now offering booster jabs to the at-risks.

[Andrew]

Have Israel gone into another lockdown since nearly vaccinating everyone though?

Also are the deaths there rising along with the cases?

[Shindig]

Not yet. They confirmed 2 yesterday and have an average of 1.28. They're reinstated masks and that's it, although I'm not sure about any other measures. 66% of the population have had the first jab.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I went to the shop this morning and it was the first time I've seen anywhere around here where a whole host of people (as opposed to the odd skanky-looking scumbag) were not wearing masks. People are declaring it over.

[Yevrah]

T cells, that was it. Cheers. Honestly, the more things you know about science (I know about three things now), the scarier the shit that's out there in the public domain becomes. 'We' are obsessed with antibodies, utterly fucking obsessed.

And it's just dawned on me why we're obsessed. Can't push vaccines if there's an acceptance that T cells can deal with this past a certain point.

[Lofty]

I went to the shop this morning and it was the first time I've seen anywhere around here where a whole host of people (as opposed to the odd skanky-looking scumbag) were not wearing masks. People are declaring it over.

Yeah it is more rife and I will be fucking it off from tomorrow unless somewhere where I am explicitly told I have to wear one or leave. I can't see them getting this back in the box if they tell everyone to wear masks again later this year too, seems like there has been a steady increase of people not wearing masks for months.

[Giggles]

I refused to go into a customer the other day because nobody was wearing masks and got away with it. Had to go back the next day and they were all obedient :cool:

[Dquincy]

I travel into London most days, unlike you home working melts. I'll continue to wear my mask on the train if it's busy, otherwise won't bother.

[Shindig]

When I'm next in the office, it'll be on for public transport and nothing else. Taking it on and off for trips away from the desk felt really tedious. Especially when I tested negative every couple of days.

[Lofty]

On my recent train trip loads of people were sacking masks off, not just the delinquents.

[Magic]

I refused to go into a customer the other day because nobody was wearing masks and got away with it. Had to go back the next day and they were all obedient :cool:

:harold:

[Magic]

I'll be fucking mine off immediately when in the land of the free. Also will not wear it where I can up here.

[Baz]

I went a garden centre yesterday and, obviously, most of it is outdoors. Everyone left their masks on. :cab:

[Spikey M]

I'll be fucking mine off immediately when in the land of the free. Also will not wear it where I can up here.

Your attempts to play the big man were always a tad ambitious, but it's downright ridiculous now you've been shown to have the immune system of a pensioner. Dry up, you tart.

[Magic]

I wasn't playing anything. My minimal rule following will continue to serve me well.

[Pepe]

I have not worn one in at least a month. :cool:

EDIT: That is a lie, I had to wear one when I took my daughter to the doctor.

[Andrew]

Came back from Newbury races people masked up going in lasted about 10 mins there where more masks being flung into the air than betting slips...

Me personally I haven't worn a mask in 2 months and not once have I been stopped and asked to put one.

You have on the one side now people who have binned this off completely and the sheer melts who are walking around alone in a park wearing 3 masks with rubber gloves on and a face shield over the top.

Those people are completely broken and I can't see them coming back from the fear filled abyss they have sunk into.

[Shindig]

Why? They're not damaging you. They're just looking like twats in public.

[Offshore Toon]

They were probably broken before but it's more visual now. No doubt COVID has broken a few extra people but any loons you're seeing were likely loons before or ticking time bombs at least.

[Raoul Duke]

The counterpoint is also equally true: all the wannabe Bad Lads / people who are a bit simple watch a load of gibberish on YouTube and get red-pilled into some conspiracy theory nonsense and then get emboldened thinking they're sticking it to The Man by getting unnecessarily sick and endangering OAPs.

[Shindig]

Youtube comments are a minefield. I suspect you've got a few conspiracy twats but they're egged on by trolls who just want to stoke the fire some more. It's really, really hard to see someone come in and reason with them because they descend in greater numbers. The very epitome of a vocal minority because they're never off the internet.

[Boydy]

Came back from Newbury races people masked up going in lasted about 10 mins there where more masks being flung into the air than betting slips...

Me personally I haven't worn a mask in 2 months and not once have I been stopped and asked to put one.

You have on the one side now people who have binned this off completely and the sheer melts who are walking around alone in a park wearing 3 masks with rubber gloves on and a face shield over the top.

Those people are completely broken and I can't see them coming back from the fear filled abyss they have sunk into.
You just sound like a knob.

[Kikó]

It shows how macho you are if you don't wear a mask. Viruses don't respect betas.

That's why magic has it.

[Reg]

Came back from Newbury races people masked up going in lasted about 10 mins there where more masks being flung into the air than betting slips...

Me personally I haven't worn a mask in 2 months and not once have I been stopped and asked to put one.

You have on the one side now people who have binned this off completely and the sheer melts who are walking around alone in a park wearing 3 masks with rubber gloves on and a face shield over the top.

Those people are completely broken and I can't see them coming back from the fear filled abyss they have sunk into.
Did not wearing a mask improve your life that much, and will all those days be forever memorable, or are you just too selfish to wear a mask for a couple of minutes when you go and buy some milk?

[Andrew]

Masks were brought in to maintain a level of fear amongst the public, unless your wearing those n95 masks then theres hardly any point.

Majority of people that are wearing them have had them on their chin in their pockets messing with then with dirty hands etc.

The cloth facemasks that have become popular are nothing but safety blankets for the scared.

[Boydy]

Fuck off to a conspiracy website.

[Magic]

The woodwork is getting lighter. :drool:

[Andrew]

Fuck off to a conspiracy website.

Please x

[Shindig]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNeYfUTA11s

It must be doing something.

[Kikó]

People wearing masks on their chins is not a valid example of people wearing masks. The level of fear is due to the fucking hundreds of thousands of excess deaths occurring globally.

[Magic]

People wearing masks on their chins is not a valid example of people wearing masks. The level of fear is due to the fucking hundreds of thousands of excess deaths occurring globally.

You mean the excess deaths that aren't excess?

[Spikey M]

hurry up and snuff it ffs

[Don]

Andrew lad, wind your neck in with your knowledge gained from the youtube university. These heroes are out here saving lives on a daily, didn't you read their twitter threads?

The evidence for masks is still not definitive which is quite amazing really, especially when these melts love to sleep with theirs.

[Kikó]

You mean the excess deaths that aren't excess?

I mean there's facts and then bizarre land. Your head is in the latter.

[Andrew]

Andrew lad, wind your neck in with your knowledge gained from the youtube university. These heroes are out here saving lives on a daily, didn't you read their twitter threads?

The evidence for masks is still not definitive which is quite amazing really, especially when these melts love to sleep with theirs.

The masks must work outside a clinical setting as it's stopped cases rising and we haven't had the need for 3 or 4 lockdowns here in the UK.🙄

[Dquincy]

Magic spitting absolute facts. People attack him because he's tackling the hard truths.

People might not like Magic now, but once covid consumes him, he'll be celebrated like Gandhi and Hitler.

[Dquincy]

The masks must work outside a clinical setting as it's stopped cases rising and we haven't had the need for 3 or 4 lockdowns here in the UK.🙄
Fair point. Not sure why people are attacking you on this subject.

I wear mask on the train if it's busy. Is part of that (big or small) placebo? Probably.

[7om]

Fair point. Not sure why people are attacking you on this subject.


It’s not a fair point, though. It’s nonsense.

[Queenslander]

The fact that we are hosting a Celebrity Big Brother when Australians still can't get home is a disgrace.


Far-right British commentator Katie Hopkins to be deported after boasting about undermining COVID-19 quarantine

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/katie-hopkins-visa-cancelled-deported-channel-seven/100303648?utm_medium=social&utm_content=sf247750530&utm_campaign=fb_abc_news&utm_source=m.facebook.com&sf247750530=1&utm_medium=social&utm_content=sf247751025&utm_campaign=abc_hobart&utm_source=m.facebook.com&sf247751025=1

[Spikey M]

The fact that we are hosting a Celebrity Big Brother when Australians still can't get home is a disgrace.



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-19/katie-hopkins-visa-cancelled-deported-channel-seven/100303648?utm_medium=social&utm_content=sf247750530&utm_campaign=fb_abc_news&utm_source=m.facebook.com&sf247750530=1&utm_medium=social&utm_content=sf247751025&utm_campaign=abc_hobart&utm_source=m.facebook.com&sf247751025=1

Letting Hopkins in is worse than letting any virus in.

Anyway, jab 2 is a bitch. Splitting headache this morning.

[Queenslander]

I could only imagine how toxic her and Caitlyn Jenna would be together in a Big Brother house.

[Spikey M]

I can't decide whether she'd spend the whole time calling her Bruce or doing airquotes every time she said Caitlin.

[Queenslander]

:D

[Queenslander]

The Georgian Rugby Union coach is still in South Africa and on a ventilator.

So sad I wonder what knock effect this might of on International sport.

https://apnews.com/article/sports-health-africa-coronavirus-pandemic-rugby-8c9aeb81a67ea056cb489702ef6aad97?utm_source=Twitte r&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP_Sports


Maisashvili had not been vaccinated against COVID-19, Georgia team spokeswoman Tatia Beriashvili wrote in an email to The Associated Press, despite members of both the South Africa and the British and Irish Lions squads and their backroom staffs receiving vaccinations ahead of their series.

[Dquincy]

Update from the trains into London this morning: Still more than 95% of people are continuing to wear masks. In fact, I'd go as far to say it looks like nothing has changed since last week (in terms of the rules).

[Spikey M]

Masks are an irrelevance to me for the most part. It's the rest of the rules going that is going to make all the difference. The ability to be spontaneous again (assuming companies don't just keep the same rules in place regardless. Which alot will, I fear.)

[Kikó]

Update from the trains into London this morning: Still more than 95% of people are continuing to wear masks. In fact, I'd go as far to say it looks like nothing has changed since last week (in terms of the rules).

The tfl has kept the mask mandate so I imagine other transport companies have as well.

[Kikó]

1417026087239004162

Shabba.

[Yevrah]

Hang on. How the hell did they get all of those people in a club without breaking the rules as they stood before midnight?

[Yevrah]

Masks are an irrelevance to me for the most part. It's the rest of the rules going that is going to make all the difference. The ability to be spontaneous again (assuming companies don't just keep the same rules in place regardless. Which alot will, I fear.)

Indeed. Busy pubs & bars are essentially ruined until standing is allowed again, but when will that be? It's legal now, right?

[Kikó]

Hang on. How the hell did they get all of those people in a club without breaking the rules as they stood before midnight?

They were all part of a secret test and trace pilot.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Indeed. Busy pubs & bars are essentially ruined until standing is allowed again, but when will that be? It's legal now, right?

Everything, quite suddenly, is legal now. The problem is the test and trace pinging, which might neutralise it all.

[Spikey M]

1416344982416465922?s=19

:D

[Yevrah]

Everything, quite suddenly, is legal now. The problem is the test and trace pinging, which might neutralise it all.

There aren't enough staff in these places to run at full capacity anyway. Broken Britain.

[Kikó]

Femi is such a bad boring knobhead. (not that he was the point of that tweet)

[Jimmy Floyd]

Femi and the reply gal can both be filed under 'heads have gone'.

[Manc]

The fallout over the next few weeks is going to be beautiful.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I give it three weeks before some crank is trying to do Boris Johnson for murder.

[Baz]

Happy Freedom Day, tossers.

Is it 10am, or midday for the pandemic to end?

[Don]

I'l be in a 1,000 capacity venue on Saturday of no doubt largely unvaccinated heads. Be a good test of where my antibodies/T-cells/manhood is at.

[Spikey M]

I have to say, this does all feel a bit mad. I'm all for freedom being restored but Covid is still a nasty illness, even if you're double-vaxxed and most people aren't.

They've taken down the screens at my wife's work today which seems unnecessary. They caused zero inconvenience and offer some protection however modest that may be.

I don't know. Feels like alot of this could have waited until cases weren't at an all time high and a large portion of society largely unprotected.

I'm wobbling.

[Yevrah]

I have to say, this does all feel a bit mad. I'm all for freedom being restored but Covid is still a nasty illness, even if you're double-vaxxed and most people aren't.

They've taken down the screens at my wife's work today which seems unnecessary. They caused zero inconvenience and offer some protection however modest that may be.

I don't know. Feels like alot of this could have waited until cases weren't at an all time high and a large portion of society largely unprotected.

I'm wobbling.

I'm in the same boat. I look at Magic and ask myself, do I want that? Not a chance I do, so why would I put myself in situations where there's an increased likelihood I'll catch it? Particularly before my second jab has kicked in, which won't be for another fortnight.

[Magic]

It's a glorified flu, get a grip both.

[Shindig]

Mate, flu doesn't normally come with pneumonia as a package deal.

[Yevrah]

It's a glorified flu, get a grip both.

And I don't want flu either. Why would anyone? What the fuck are you actually saying?

[Manc]

I'm 100% confident Covid would bowl me over. I haven't so much as sneezed for going on a year

[Jimmy Floyd]

I haven't even had a cold since November 2019. I think living on my own reduces my chances of getting the vid by exponential amounts.

[Yevrah]

I haven't even had a cold since November 2019. I think living on my own reduces my chances of getting the vid by exponential amounts.

I think that's helped me hugely too. Haven't been ill at all since 2019.

[Lofty]

It's a glorified flu, get a grip both.

Normal people sleep flu off, not make repeat appointments with the doctor/hospital while writing their last will and testament.

[Kikó]

I've just hit positive on the lateral flow. RIP.

[Magic]

Mate, flu doesn't normally come with pneumonia as a package deal.

Well it did for me last time, belter.

[Magic]

And I don't want flu either. Why would anyone? What the fuck are you actually saying?

I'm saying you didn't melt in a thread wanting everything shut down when flu comes round every winter.

[Magic]

I've just hit positive on the lateral flow. RIP.

This is the good news this thread needed.

[Spikey M]

I'm saying you didn't melt in a thread wanting everything shut down when flu comes round every winter.

You've definitely got MongCovid.

[Kikó]

This is the good news this thread needed.

Thankfully I'm double jabbed so it's not as bad as a hospital visit.

[Manc]

Didn't have Kiko down as the drag club type.

[Spikey M]

1417055191984136195?s=19

Uwotm8

[Yevrah]

I'm saying you didn't melt in a thread wanting everything shut down when flu comes round every winter.

Course not, but that's a different situation to this.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Any news on Jill Dando's thoughts?

[Disco]

No but I reckon Anwar Sadat would have been right in there with his glow sticks.

[randomlegend]

Feel sorry for covid having to share a body with Magic

[Offshore Toon]

Not sure if it was COVID, but I was getting cramp in my legs last night which made it impossible to sleep. At this stage I just feel knackered and my sinuses feel slightly bunged up. The worst part has been headaches but nothing basic painkillers haven't fixed.

[Giggles]

The masks are backfiring today. 35°C inside and I’m not allowed use their canteen to get a drink.

[Spikey M]

1417065337477079043?s=19

:lol: what?

[Pepe]

That would be excellent.

[Spikey M]

"Why does that Nazi look so sad Mummy?"

[SvN]

1417065337477079043?s=19

:lol: what?

Magic

[Kikó]

Could have at least ironed his shirt.

[7om]

I could see Lewis wearing one of those.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Could have at least ironed his shirt.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-57862881

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/35A7/production/_119453731_abouttheauthor-copy.jpg

He doesn't look like the type who irons shirts.

[Kikó]

I love when you shave half your face to see what it looks like.

[Spikey M]

:D he's got to be on the wind up

[Baz]

He’s definitely applied for Scrapheap Challenge in the past.

[Disco]

He looks more like something they built.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Two sideburns but only half a beard. How is he worried about people not avoiding him?

[Manc]

Are we enjoying freedom day?

[Don]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/19/covid-certificates-to-be-compulsory-for-crowded-venues-in-england

Everyone was lolling about the prospect of these kinds of measures on about page 100 or something. Now they're too busy telling people to wear masks to care. What times we live in. The normal will never return.

[Shindig]

Sir Patrick Vallance says 60% of those admitted to hospital have been fully vaccinated but he stresses this is "not surprising" as most people have now been vaccinated.

I mean, yeah but it still sounds a little dodgy. I've been given the option to rearrange my second jab date. I can wait 3 weeks. Probably.

[Yevrah]

It's as if ministers had no idea what nightclubs actually contained until the footage came out overnight...

[Magic]

So to summarise: vaccines protect the most vulnerable but do absolutely nothing for normal people.

[Yevrah]

I mean, yeah but it still sounds a little dodgy. I've been given the option to rearrange my second jab date. I can wait 3 weeks. Probably.

What period does this cover?

If in 3 weeks I get COVID and end up in hospital at all with it (having had two shots of vaccine more than a month ago) I'll find it hard to think I was given a 'good' vaccine. Do people who've been vaccinated for MMR end up in hospital with any of them?

[Kikó]

The nightclub thing is another on the fly decision.

[Magic]

What period does this cover?

If in 3 weeks I get COVID and end up in hospital at all with it (having had two shots of vaccine more than a month ago) I'll find it hard to think I was given a 'good' vaccine. Do people who've been vaccinated for MMR end up in hospital with any of them?

I had mumps after the MMR. :baz:

[randomlegend]

If you've genuinely had pneumonia twice before the age of 30 and MMR vaccine failure you should probably ask about getting your immune function checked if you haven't already.

[Spikey M]

So to summarise: vaccines protect the most vulnerable but do absolutely nothing for normal people.

There are several people in this thread that have had Covid after 1 or 2 vaccines. You're the only one that's needed the hospital.

[Spikey M]

I mean, yeah but it still sounds a little dodgy. I've been given the option to rearrange my second jab date. I can wait 3 weeks. Probably.
The at risk groups are still the at risk groups even after vaccination. Just less so. The lower risk groups will just be even lower risk as time moves on. And Magic will be dead.

[Shindig]

Aye. I do wonder if the vaccine impacts treatment times. Like, I wonder what the turnaround is on a Covid ward compared to the last wave.

[Magic]

There are several people in this thread that have had Covid after 1 or 2 vaccines. You're the only one that's needed the hospital.

Wrong, I only went to hospital for diagnosis.

[Magic]

If you've genuinely had pneumonia twice before the age of 30 and MMR vaccine failure you should probably ask about getting your immune function checked if you haven't already.

I had it once before the age of 30.

[Kikó]

Sense of smell is gone. I'm basically a sexy version of Taz now.

[Dquincy]

And I don't want flu either. Why would anyone? What the fuck are you actually saying?

He's saying you are overreacting to it.

The flip flopping from Yev and Spikey in this thread is :drool:

[Dark Soldier]

Immune system weaker than ya fucking chin, MJ. Some feat.

Second jab in a couple weeks. Still wearing masks in shops/cinemas etc because I'm 'one of those'.

[Dquincy]

So to summarise: vaccines protect the most vulnerable but do absolutely nothing for normal people.

No. Below 50s and the vaccinated are smashing it compared to the non vaccinated.

[Spikey M]

He's saying you are overreacting to it.

The flip flopping from Yev and Spikey in this thread is :drool:

You flipflop more than a fat bird at the beach you slag.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

No.

He'll just listen to any crackpot and believe them.

[Dquincy]

You flipflop more than a fat bird at the beach you slag.

:lol: Love it. Love you. What.

[Dquincy]

No.

He'll just listen to any crackpot and believe them.

Alright tubsy magoo. It called hearing both sides of the argument.

[Kikó]

There aren't 'both sides'. One side is science, the other is cranks.

[Pepe]

*SCIENCE

caps

[Spikey M]

:lol: Love it. Love you. What.

We had a fat woman in my old office and she pretty much exclusively wore flip-flops. The flipping and flopping was aggressively loud. I don't know why, or understand the physics of why weight impacts flip-flop volume, but it was dramatic.

[7om]

Certainly makes you stop and think.

[Dquincy]

Sense of smell is gone. I'm basically a sexy version of Taz now.

RIP. How are you feeling apart from smell?

[Kikó]

RIP. How are you feeling apart from smell?

Bit groggy/lethargic but nothing too major at the moment.

[Magic]

Venty Boys.

[Baz]

Second jab in a couple weeks. Still wearing masks in shops/cinemas etc because I'm 'one of those'.

I went in a shop today wearing a mask. The girl behind the counter was wearing a mask. The man waiting to be served next was not wearing a mask. I asked her if people were still wearing masks or not today and she just laughed awkwardly. Just me then.

Will probably ditch it eventually but no harm in it for now.