Coronavirus Death Thread

[Yevrah]

Government (on Thursday) had us 4 weeks behind Italy, Yevrah has us 2 weeks behind Italy.

Not yet, but if we're hitting around 20 deaths a day tomorrow and Tuesday and then double that Wednesday I'd say there's a serious chance we are, which will almost definitely be the case if we then hit triple figures in a day in a week or so.

[Yevrah]

I certainly can't see how isolating over 70s "within weeks" is soon enough.

[Pepe]

One of our students suspected of being infected. :drool:

[Yevrah]

There were 5 cases at Oxford Uni, about a week ago, so that'll be the entire student population of the city that has it.

[John Arne]

Didn’t Vietnam manage to vaccinate (or incinerate) all the chickens set for human consumption during the last bird flu round?

John Arne

They started a vaccination program, but then I think the virus mutated, so they gave up.

We are actually in the middle of another Bird Flu outbreak, and have culled ~100k chickens this year.

[Giggles]

One of our students suspected of being infected. :drool:

Why is that a good thing?

[Pepe]

It's not.

[niko_cee]

Why not?

I think there are a number of factors that make their situation worse/different.

They obviously got a much bigger exposure to it early doors whilst everyone was just lolling at China and that has sort of ambushed them. They've had it in a particularly concentrated area, whereas I don't believe the UK has. They also, like most Mediterraneans, live quite differently to us. Not just in the difference between their more gregarious culture and our stand-off-ishness, but in the types of housing they live in (much more tightly packed high-rise) with much more family connectivity/inter-generational living. They also have an older population and I'm going to hazard a guess that more of them smoke. Now, perhaps these are all just lazy stereotypes and are not at all reflective of reality, but I think at the very least if you can see a train crash coming 4 weeks out you should be able to better prepare yourself to deal with it - they have simply not had the time to allocate resources adequately.

Maybe 4 weeks is a bit much though. They were experiencing deaths at the rate we are seeing them about 2 weeks ago. Just got to keep things under the line though.

I reckon we're going to lockdown in some sort of way here (Guernsey) quite soon. Perhaps it'll be stopping people coming or going. I think there's a strong desire to keep it away if at all possible. The wife's going mental and is desperate to get out (back to the UK) if they shut the schools here.

[Spikey M]

It's not.

I've met Students and I've met Americans. It probably is.

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1238618398168416256

This is our biggest challenge. C2DE are simply not bothered by this and they need to be. They can't blame politicians or doctors or anyone else if they are just carrying on like mongs.

[Pepe]

I've met Students and I've met Americans. It probably is.

Well, yes, but if enough die I might be out of a job.

[Lofty]

I certainly can't see how isolating over 70s "within weeks" is soon enough.

Yes it certainly is curious wording, given the daily figures. I mean surely telling them to do it now also reduces the amount destined to tie up ICU beds later?

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's because they're wedded to the idea that they won't be able to make it stick for long enough. We're talking 4 months, that's not an insignificant period of time to be indoors for presumably 10+ million people. David Blaine would wince.

[Yevrah]

I think there are a number of factors that make their situation worse/different.

They obviously got a much bigger exposure to it early doors whilst everyone was just lolling at China and that has sort of ambushed them. They've had it in a particularly concentrated area, whereas I don't believe the UK has. They also, like most Mediterraneans, live quite differently to us. Not just in the difference between their more gregarious culture and our stand-off-ishness, but in the types of housing they live in (much more tightly packed high-rise) with much more family connectivity/inter-generational living. They also have an older population and I'm going to hazard a guess that more of them smoke. Now, perhaps these are all just lazy stereotypes and are not at all reflective of reality, but I think at the very least if you can see a train crash coming 4 weeks out you should be able to better prepare yourself to deal with it - they have simply not had the time to allocate resources adequately.

Maybe 4 weeks is a bit much though. They were experiencing deaths at the rate we are seeing them about 2 weeks ago. Just got to keep things under the line though.

I reckon we're going to lockdown in some sort of way here (Guernsey) quite soon. Perhaps it'll be stopping people coming or going. I think there's a strong desire to keep it away if at all possible. The wife's going mental and is desperate to get out (back to the UK) if they shut the schools here.

Fair points, the concentration factor and societal aspects were omitted from my logic above, which I agree will have an impact. On lolling it off though, that's exactly what we'd been doing until Thursday.

[Yevrah]

It's because they're wedded to the idea that they won't be able to make it stick for long enough. We're talking 4 months, that's not an insignificant period of time to be indoors for presumably 10+ million people. David Blaine would wince.

What would kill more of them though? Not going now or the ones dying from not staying in long enough?

[Jimmy Floyd]

What would kill more of them though? Not going now or the ones dying from not staying in long enough?

No idea, but the government clearly think B.

[Yevrah]

The government's numbers of current suspected cases (between 5,000 and 10,000) on Thursday was also either a lie or just flat out wrong. If 34 are dead from it now and it takes 2/3 weeks to kill you, three and a half thousand people had it two weeks ago, 10 days before the press conference.

[Yevrah]

No idea, but the government clearly think B.

See the bullshit detector is strongly drawn towards A.

[Bernanke]

Isn't this like the perfect time for large parts of the population to take online courses in basic programming and shit? Not sure what coding skills are in demand, but if governments gave a low financial incentive for retail people who have fuck all to do anyway to complete some course certificates maybe we could actually come out of this with a more skilled workforce?

[niko_cee]

On lolling it off though, that's exactly what we'd been doing until Thursday.

Yeah, I meant everyone, not just the Italians. I think we have been more vigilant about it in the early phase than they or many other countries were (not through anything other than blind luck) and/or have been lucky not to have had that early spike in infections.

[Yevrah]

Yeah, I meant everyone, not just the Italians. I think we have been more vigilant about it in the early phase than they or many other countries were (not through anything other than blind luck) and/or have been lucky not to have had that early spike in infections.

But we don't know that we haven't had that spike, it's surely too early to tell and with testing outside of hospitals seemingly abandoned we won't know either.

[Lofty]

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1239279861757345795?s=19

Team Panic scores a 40 yarder.

[Andy]

I'm certain all these government numbers are completely bullshit. One of my wife's friends is a nurse, she got sent home from her shift with a cough/feeling rough on friday completely untested and told to self isolate.

Seems ridiculous that we arent even testing nurses in a hospital were someone has already tested positive.

[Jimmy Floyd]

What I will say for Donny Rotten is that while he may have a brain so small that covid couldn't get into it with a skeleton key, he is at least addressing the nation with an 'update' daily. We haven't heard anything from on high for more than 72 hours now apart from sending Matt Hancock into the fray on Andrew Marr, and whilst Matt Hancock may for all I know be extremely competent, he has the manner of a background fop from Four Weddings and a Funeral.

[Lofty]

What I will say for Donny Rotten is that while he may have a brain so small that covid couldn't get into it with a skeleton key, he is at least addressing the nation with an 'update' daily. We haven't heard anything from on high for more than 72 hours now apart from sending Matt Hancock into the fray on Andrew Marr, and whilst Matt Hancock may for all I know be extremely competent, he has the manner of a background fop from Four Weddings and a Funeral.

He has a hard on for privatising hospitals but his Circle venture fucked up their test case so I'll lean towards incompetent.

[Boydy]

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[Kikó]

https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/trhX9/20/

COVID-19 Mutual Aid group mapper.

[Shindig]

I was going to knock together what our test / confirmed case rate was but I can't really knock a daily rate together when our testing takes a couple of days. It's really hard to get a full picture for this. When it comes to confirmed cases, we've got barely a peep in the North East. What good is herd immunity if the official picture says Northumberland to Teesside has a dozen people infected?

[randomlegend]

Giving advice for those that are struggling to breathe about when to hit 111.

I mean there's only so much I can do and any advice probably has to come with some disclaimers to protect myself, but yeah of course if people genuinely need help then I'll do my best.

[Yevrah]

Top man.

Our plan looks more and more batshit by the day.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Good to see the antidote to those feel good videos of Italians singing on their balconies-

https://twitter.com/_JellyRoger_/status/1239232163985448960

[Yevrah]

I was going to knock together what our test / confirmed case rate was but I can't really knock a daily rate together when our testing takes a couple of days. It's really hard to get a full picture for this. When it comes to confirmed cases, we've got barely a peep in the North East. What good is herd immunity if the official picture says Northumberland to Teesside has a dozen people infected?

Measuring testing is pointless as we're seemingly not bothering with it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Most of our cases seem to be in London, which is hardly surprising. Only 15 confirmed in Surrey which is next to London. This is a confined space thing.

[Boydy]

This is cool/interesting and has nice diagrams of social distancing affects the spread.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

[Lewis]

If it's anything like the transfer thread anything Randrew says will just get a load of 'You said I definitely had it! :D' gloating.

[Lewis]

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'I hear what you're saying' made me lol out loud.

[Yevrah]

Gary Neville meets Barack Obama is something I'd pay to watch.

[Giggles]

Got it from two horses mouths after so many messages floating around. Our lockdown is being announced 11am tomorrow for midnight tomorrow. Limited opening times for shops, army/Gardaí controlling entry. Restaurant ban will be announced to go along with pubs. Work can still go ahead and be reviewed later in the week.

[Lewis]

If we're not locking down we could send some troops over to help.

[Giggles]

It’s about time ours did something.

[Lewis]

Dressed distinctively in a mix of leftover Afghanistan/Iraq clobber and surplus police uniforms.

[Waffdon]

What’s the story with self isolating? My missus has a temperature of 41c and a dry throat but no problems with breathing, just coughing, and woke up in a pool of her own sweat after being sent home from work. She’s at Glasgow Uni which has a few cases and works in a restaurant as well as being abroad with me two weeks ago. My mate who is a manager says I can’t come into work as anyone with a cough, fever or showing signs of any symptoms has to stay away. I had all the symptoms other than a fever the last few weeks so just presumed I passed the man flu onto her but she’s got unlucky with a fever as well.

[Lee]

She needs to self-isolate at the very least in line with the advice. Don’t think you do yourself unless you have a fever or a cough.

[Waffdon]

We got back from Budapest two weeks ago tomorrow. I think they’re not too bad but then any fucker could have been in Edinburgh airport

[Shindig]

Our guidelines is to isolate if you have the fever and hacking cough. I'm lucky this time off landed when it did. I'd be sticking with the old guidelines because the symptoms are so varied from person to person. They also cut the time down from two weeks to just the one. So you're contagious when you come back in.

Herd up.

[Waffdon]

I don’t care if I’m off as I get 6 months full pay. I’ll phone tomorrow and see what they say. I’ve hardly been in recently because of the holiday and then Cheltenham. What a wonder few weeks this could be

[Kikó]

This isn't herding up.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Just had a terrifying conversation with my mate who's meant to be getting married on 4 April. He's 'keeping positive', says social media has ramped up needless panic and thinking it's still going ahead. I really didn't know how to tell him. You can't say 'Actually, mate...' so I just sort of conveyed some general pessimism about the whole thing. I am lucky that my personality was basically designed for this exact scenario. He and all the Tiggers of the world are going to get fucked by this.

[Shindig]

I mean, he can still do it but you need to group the wedding party so that everyone is three feet away from each other at all times. And the ceremony is 10 minutes long. Best wedding ever. And you don't kiss or touch.

[Lewis]

Speaking as a bonafide behavioural mister man, he's more than likely deluding himself over the money he's laid out than being a general whopper.

[mugbull]

What’s the story with self isolating? My missus has a temperature of 41c and a dry throat but no problems with breathing, just coughing, and woke up in a pool of her own sweat after being sent home from work. She’s at Glasgow Uni which has a few cases and works in a restaurant as well as being abroad with me two weeks ago. My mate who is a manager says I can’t come into work as anyone with a cough, fever or showing signs of any symptoms has to stay away. I had all the symptoms other than a fever the last few weeks so just presumed I passed the man flu onto her but she’s got unlucky with a fever as well.

41 degree fever? That's extraordinarily high dude. I would send myself off to the hospital if it ever got that high

[Waffdon]

I’m not with her thankfully. She basically has a six pack, she’ll be fine. I’m just more interested if I’ll get two weeks off yo play the new CoD battle royal all week

[Jimmy Floyd]

Speaking as a bonafide behavioural mister man, he's more than likely deluding himself over the money he's laid out than being a general whopper.

Nah, knowing him, he is just someone who sees the best possible future in every situation. That's normally a fantastic quality to have in a friend, but in this particular situation it's the fucking worst.

[Boydy]

Was the self-isolation advice if you're showing any symptoms not two weeks a couple of days ago but now it's just seven days?

[Yevrah]

Just had a terrifying conversation with my mate who's meant to be getting married on 4 April. He's 'keeping positive', says social media has ramped up needless panic and thinking it's still going ahead. I really didn't know how to tell him. You can't say 'Actually, mate...' so I just sort of conveyed some general pessimism about the whole thing. I am lucky that my personality was basically designed for this exact scenario. He and all the Tiggers of the world are going to get fucked by this.

My cousin's in the same boat, wedding in May. He asked me to be best man a fortnight ago and I haven't spoken to him since but I'm dreading him saying "what do you mean, cancel it?".

[Boydy]

A cousin of mine is getting married in August and I'll be surprised if that happens.

[Yevrah]

Daily updates from PM or Matt Hancock coming soon.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51901818

Oh and Corbyn sticking his loser oar in. And on that note, I remember someone saying what harm can it do if he takes a caretaker role after losing? Well, here we go.

[Shindig]

Was the self-isolation advice if you're showing any symptoms not two weeks a couple of days ago but now it's just seven days?

Yep. Brought that in on Friday. I'm not sure how contagion works but Chief Whittle (OMG, MORE LIKE WHITTLE-THE-POPULATION-DOWN!) thinks those with minor symptoms will be just contagious enough to pass it on without massively knackering the recipient.

[Lee]

Daily updates from PM or Matt Hancock coming soon.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51901818

Oh and Corbyn sticking his loser oar in. And on that note, I remember someone saying what harm can it do if he takes a caretaker role after losing? Well, here we go.

Think you’ll find he’s won the argument again. Just can’t stop himself winning,

[phonics]

It shouldn’t be a politician doing the daily updates. Matt Hancock makes Chris Grayling look competent and Boris is a known liar. What’s the point?

[Luca]

A cousin of mine is getting married in August and I'll be surprised if that happens.

Yep, my aunt is planning on getting married in September in Italy. I'm pessimistic.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It shouldn’t be a politician doing the daily updates. Matt Hancock makes Chris Grayling look competent and Boris is a known liar. What’s the point?

Depends who the politician is (someone like Blair or even Cameron would have been good at this). We don't have such an authoritative voice currently. If Boris is going to do it he needs to cut his hair and fend off the Alzheimer's.

[Boydy]

Daily updates from PM or Matt Hancock coming soon.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51901818

Oh and Corbyn sticking his loser oar in. And on that note, I remember someone saying what harm can it do if he takes a caretaker role after losing? Well, here we go.

He's right.

[Yevrah]

He's right.

Yes, but he's fucking useless and therefore it will make no difference. Much like the last 8 years. That's the danger of having a loser in opposition and letting him carry on after he's lost twice.

[Boydy]

We could've had a prime minister who actually gives a shit about people but no, he might have done things like give us all broadband (a necessity now we're all gonna be working from home where we can) or nationalised the trains (they've started crying for government bailouts already).

[Yevrah]

It shouldn’t be a politician doing the daily updates. Matt Hancock makes Chris Grayling look competent and Boris is a known liar. What’s the point?

Well, this was the standard of Sr Patrick Vallance's twitter update today:

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Sounds promising, must be loads of information here to digest and make sense of our approach with.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/update-from-sage-delay-phase-modelling



The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) met yesterday and reviewed the latest numbers of cases in the UK, updated modelling, interventions made by other countries, and proposals for monitoring and modelling the outbreak as it advances.

The two major objectives were reiterated – save lives and reduce the peak of the epidemic to reduce the very considerable pressure on the NHS. This means examining interventions that can flatten the curve and those which ensure those most at risk are shielded.

The review of the new data showed that as anticipated the epidemic is progressing and on that basis SAGE advised the next planned effective interventions (shielding the vulnerable and household isolation) will need to be instituted soon.

SAGE is examining models of further interventions. SAGE also agreed that in line with good scientific practice the modelling and data considered by SAGE in future will be published.

Chief Scientific Adviser Patrick Vallance and Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty said:

"We are dealing with a very fast moving epidemic with emerging data from many disciplines and many complex decisions."

"Scientists across the world are helping each other, governments and society to deal with this international emergency"



Oh.

[Lewis]

The planes and the trains should be told to get fucked.

[Yevrah]

We could've had a prime minister who actually gives a shit about people but no, he might have done things like give us all broadband (a necessity now we're all gonna be working from home where we can) or nationalised the trains (they've started crying for government bailouts already).

It doesn't matter if he cares, if he can't win he's useless.

[Boydy]

It doesn't matter if he cares, if he can't win he's useless.
If you have to be a cunt like Johnson to win then what's the point in winning? The UK is a cesspit and its media are willing cheerleaders for this government - if that wasn't evident enough in the election, it certainly should be now.

This country needs the fucking guillotine.

[Yevrah]

If you have to be a cunt like Johnson to win then what's the point in winning? The UK is a cesspit and its media are willing cheerleaders for this government - if that wasn't evident enough in the election, it certainly should be now.

This country needs the fucking guillotine.

You don't need to be a cunt like Johnson to win, you just need to be better than Corbyn. The government's current plan looks absolutely insane and we have no effective opposition with which to challenge it. That's on Corbyn and the legions that kept him for that long, legions that if they could have their way would still have him now.

[Lewis]

lmao

[Waffdon]

The soles of my feet are burning like fuck. Could be the cocaine, could be the corona. Who knows.

[Yevrah]

lmao

I reserve the right to change that opinion if we start quarantining the vulnerable ASAP, but 'within weeks' is a joke so that's where I am now.

[Lewis]

I was lmaoing at Boyd.

[Lewis]

Although I genuinely do believe that the government plan is belting.

[Boydy]

Although I genuinely do believe that the government plan is belting.

Yes but you're an aspergo cunt with no regard for anyone other than himself.

[Lewis]

I'm a government expert sunshine.

[mugbull]

Aspergo cunt sounds about right

[Lewis]

Sez you mong boy.

[phonics]

Well, this was the standard of Sr Patrick Vallance's twitter update today:

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Sounds promising, must be loads of information here to digest and make sense of our approach with.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/update-from-sage-delay-phase-modelling



The Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) met yesterday and reviewed the latest numbers of cases in the UK, updated modelling, interventions made by other countries, and proposals for monitoring and modelling the outbreak as it advances.

The two major objectives were reiterated – save lives and reduce the peak of the epidemic to reduce the very considerable pressure on the NHS. This means examining interventions that can flatten the curve and those which ensure those most at risk are shielded.

The review of the new data showed that as anticipated the epidemic is progressing and on that basis SAGE advised the next planned effective interventions (shielding the vulnerable and household isolation) will need to be instituted soon.

SAGE is examining models of further interventions. SAGE also agreed that in line with good scientific practice the modelling and data considered by SAGE in future will be published.

Chief Scientific Adviser Patrick Vallance and Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty said:

"We are dealing with a very fast moving epidemic with emerging data from many disciplines and many complex decisions."

"Scientists across the world are helping each other, governments and society to deal with this international emergency"



Oh.

I'm not sure what the implication of this is. I assume you mean that it's too complex for the layman?

There's an inbetween. Part of my job before this situation likely put me out of one, is producing interviews with Scientists talking to the general public. Funnily enough, I've interviewed the two leading people on this in the US multiple times.

https://www.sciencemag.org/sites/default/files/styles/inline__450w__no_aspect/public/Fauci_1280p_main.jpg

(The bloke at the podium and the blonde woman on the right)

I never got higher than a D in any scientific subject after Year 8 and yet I could explain to you how HIV spreads, how to combat it and the ongoing vaccine trials because of people like them. It's very possible.

[Yevrah]

The implication was that there's absolutely no information there whatsoever, to the point that Johnson would be perfectly fine disseminating it.

[phonics]

It's not to disseminate information, it's to reassure the public so they don't do anything stupid. I can't remember who was tweeting about it but they did this during Swine Flu because when there's a lack of 'news', the media go mental to fill the void.

Look at how this anonymous leaking to Peston about Herd Immunity, followed by everyone freaking out, followed by scientists defending the policy, followed by the government once again anonymously leaking that they never planned to do that anyway.

Johnson is a liar who will say anything to save his own skin, I don't trust him. Get someone else.

[Jimmy Floyd]

We will end up with a national government and then an election which Keir Starmer will win.

[phonics]

Just to balance, I wouldn’t want Corbyn or any of his mongs either. Get an independent qualified scientist who is the one and only government voice on this stuff.

[Yevrah]

Well that's Whitty or Vallance and do you really trust either of those two at the moment? Which was the point I was making initially.

It's not hard to explain why their approach is so different to everyone else, why we're delaying isolation of the vulnerable etc., but despite appearing all over the media, they haven't.

[phonics]

In different places/formats every time, where they're reacting to what Dirty Dom has briefed a bunch of journos anonymously.

[Pepe]

One of our students suspected of being infected. :drool:

I went to get some of my stuff from the office and there was a party with 100+ students going on in the main quad. RIP everyone.

[Queenslander]

First Queensland death is a 77 year old woman.

61 cases
1 death
8 recovered
1000 tests a day
4000 in isolation

Zero community transmissions

The biggest thing they are hammering home is 15 minutes 1 on 1 and 2 hours in the same room.

[Yevrah]

How's Tom Hanks getting on?

[Queenslander]

How's Tom Hanks getting on?

Queensland Health havent used his name at all. His instagram account is the only way of knowing I think.

[Alex]

How's Tom Hanks getting on?

He was alive and spreading what looked like a lot of Vegemite on his toast (https://news.avclub.com/tom-hanks-is-still-doing-alright-but-hes-using-way-too-1842345983) as recently as this morning. I'm not sure whether this is a good or bad sign. I'll let our friends from down under pass final judgement.

[Yevrah]

Just watching Andrew Marr and a woman from Korea is on talking about what they've done.

It's unreal - 268,000 tested and monitoring the fuck out of everything without locking much down.

[Queenslander]

He was alive and spreading what looked like a lot of Vegemite on his toast (https://news.avclub.com/tom-hanks-is-still-doing-alright-but-hes-using-way-too-1842345983) as recently as this morning. I'm not sure whether this is a good or bad sign. I'll let our friends from down under pass final judgement.

From that amount I can only assume the virus has taken over his brain.

[Yevrah]

"Vegemite for those who want to die" :D

Seeing that, I should have bought some marmite.

[Queenslander]

The 2 biggest supermarket chains are saying they refuse to swap or refund any bulk buying of toilet paper, pasta etc down the line in response to those revolting hoarding cunts.

Edit: Before the quota was put in place. 2 of those items max now

It actually says on my receipt change of mind returns are not available. Lol

[Yevrah]

New York City closes all bars, restaurants
New York City mayor Bill de Blasio says all bars, restaurants, and other venues must close from Tuesday.

“Our lives are all changing in ways that were unimaginable just a week ago," he said.

"We are taking a series of actions that we never would have taken otherwise in an effort to save the lives of loved ones and our neighbours.

"Now it is time to take yet another drastic step. The virus can spread rapidly through the close interactions New Yorkers have in restaurants, bars and places where we sit close together. We have to break that cycle.

“Tomorrow, I will sign an Executive Order limiting restaurants, bars and cafes to food take-out and delivery.

"Nightclubs, movie theatres, small theatre houses, and concert venues must all close. The order will go into effect Tuesday, March 17 at 9:00 AM."

Think we're officially on our own now boys...

[Queenslander]

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-16/coronavirus-state-of-emergency-declared-in-victoria/12058442?pfmredir=sm&sf231528708=1

Victoria has declared State of emergency.


Powers during a state of emergency:

Powers to detain any person or group in a particular area to eliminate or reduce a serious risk to public health

The movement of people within the emergency area can be restricted

People can be prevented from entering an emergency area

Authorised officers can make any direction considered reasonably necessary to protect public health

Martial Law :drool:

[Yevrah]

Another young ish doctor fucked by it:

www.nytimes.com/2020/03/15/us/coronavirus-physicians-emergency-rooms.html?0p19G=7900

What’s the science behind an increased level of exposure to it being more dangerous than just catching it?

[Waffdon]

Missus says she doesn’t feel as weak and temp gone but still has a cough. Booo

[Queenslander]

I am loving this social distancing business.

[Giggles]

I’ve to go in to work this morning with 4 other people and not an idea where they’ve been for the last 2 days.

[Mike]

I’m off to work with 30+ staff and 200+ kids who will have mostly gone out and done something at the weekend.

[mo]

Theoretically 80-odd staff and 1,000 kids, but god knows how many of those will be self-isolating.

[ScousePig]

My numbers are about the same as Mike, or slightly less.

[Raoul Duke]

My wife's a teacher, so I'm definitely going to pick this up at some point :moop:

[Ian]

I'm WFH now until doomsday so my nieces are my lost likely route of getting this, more worryingly via my elderly parents who they live round the corner from and visit a lot.

[Andy]

I'm in 5 different houses today for work.

I guess until we are told otherwise I will just carry on as before with work. Going to keep my distance from everyone outside of work.

[Byron]

I'm in work today with an office of about 1,000 people. One of our team has to self isolate after being in contact with someone last week who is a confirmed case.

I told my manager last week about my concerns in that I get a train to work every day and he's told me to come in for now but we're expecting a WFH imminently.

I've made it clear to him that each day I'm in the office I'm getting a later (and therefore quieter train) and if nothing sorted by end of the week, I want to arrange a system where I WFH 3 days a week minimum.

Doesn't help that I have a overactive immune system so if I get this, I am absolutely fucked.

[Giggles]

I’ve told work I’m visiting no customers unless they can set me a separate work area and sanitising facilities.

[John Arne]

I’ve told work I’m visiting no customers unless they can set me a separate work area and sanitising facilities.

Those cocks won't suck themselves.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm in this morning but my colleague has rung the boss saying he's not coming in because he thinks his girlfriend has it. This is an interesting situation in which to be an old school boss.

[Boydy]

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This thread is interesting.

[randomlegend]

I don't understand why - if most of the population haven't had it - it won't just kick off again as soon as they ramp down the preventative measures and it inevitably gets reintroduced from somewhere else.

[Yevrah]

I'm in work today with an office of about 1,000 people. One of our team has to self isolate after being in contact with someone last week who is a confirmed case.

Which just to prove how fucked this is, isn't actually following government advice.

[Yevrah]

I don't understand why - if most of the population haven't had it - it won't just kick off again as soon as they ramp down the preventative measures and it inevitably gets reintroduced from somewhere else.

It may well do, but if you're tracking it like a mother fucker you have a chance of isolating the cases that spring up.

[niko_cee]

But, other than going full Madagascar every time someone coughs, how do you do that?

If you need to be coughing like a motherfucker to spread it, then our more mild social distancing measures should be enough, if it can spread in asymptomatic people, or people who have very minor symptoms then you just have to lock everything down forever don't you?

[Lewis]

The other half of our office has called in sick, so my half is lolling at them being bum chums and spending their weekends together. Serves them right.

[Max Power]

In the office a mere 45 minutes and if I hear another variation of the gag “forget Coronavirus I had Peroni virus Saturday night hahaha” im just going home.

[Giggles]

Those cocks won't suck themselves.




Was there meant to be something in the spoiler tags?

[randomlegend]

It's a picture of his cock.

[randomlegend]

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/XDXHG5/young-man-looking-through-magnifying-glass-XDXHG5.jpg

[Shindig]

It may well do, but if you're tracking it like a mother fucker you have a chance of isolating the cases that spring up.

Even if you're not tracking it that intensely, the Wuhan numbers show that it's just plain quicker to contain than in it is to chase herd immunity. They said 10,000 people at most had it the other day. In a country of 60 million. We announced our first cases on 31st January so, to get to that 10,000 would've taken six weeks. Taking the case map as a guide, London has more coverage than say, the Scottish borders or Bristol. We do not move that freely to spread so evenly. It's a bust.

[Giggles]

It's a picture of his cock.

Fully fledged Asian.

[Lofty]

I still find it interesting that despite them not being representative examples of the real world the cruise ship cases we know didn't decimate their passengers in line with what we are seeing now. Not sure what can be concluded from it though.

[Yevrah]

Indeed. Being full of a load of the target market for this virus you'd think it'd have taken people on them in droves.

[mugbull]

How many cruise ships do you know where 7 people die from a virus?

[Shindig]

How many cruise ships are fully-equipped floating hospitals?

[Yevrah]

How many cruise ships do you know where 7 people die from a virus?

Not sure what you're getting at.

[mugbull]

Well exactly

[mugbull]

Not sure what you're getting at.

7 people died on a cruise ship where 700 people got it. That’s pretty much exactly in line with what you’d expect the mortality rate to be

[Yevrah]

Given the age of those on it, is it?

[Baz]

Just been to a meeting to finalise plans for a community engagement workshop next week. Somehow it’s still going ahead and they’re expecting 100 attendees. :cab:

Thankfully I don’t have to go.

[mugbull]

Given the age of those on it, is it?

What was the average age?

[Yevrah]

58. But over a third of them were 70+.

Looking at this only half of the expected number to die did die.

https://cmmid.github.io/topics/covid19/severity/diamond_cruise_cfr_estimates.html

[Shindig]

According to the Cruise Lines International Association (CLIA) Global Passenger Report, the average age of cruise passenger was 46.7 years old – holding steady from the previous two years. However, 40 to 49-year-olds make up only 15% of all cruise passengers for that year

https://www.cruise1st.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Picture-2.png

Seems like a decent spread but you can see young families offset the 32% of the 60+ folks.

EDIT: Yevrah'd.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Our chief medical officer thinks the true mortality rate is 0.6%.

[Andy]

I guess it's really easy to isolate people in a cruise ship and theh already have a shit load of hand sanitizer everywhere, doors which open with a foot operated button etc.

They need to be super clean to stop the spread of norovirus.

[Yevrah]

Our chief medical officer thinks the true mortality rate is 0.6%.

With all those fit and healthy people who have it and don't even know (or just brush it off as a cough) that sounds logical.

EDIT: Still, if half the globe catch it, that's 20 million dead.

[Disco]

People are reacting to this in predictably idiotic ways. We had a woman earlier who didn't want to come into contact with anyone when collecting her order, but is perfectly happy to have a troupe of workmen in her house for the rest of the week to fit it.

Classic 'let's take lots of precautions but only until it's inconvenient for me'

[Pepe]

Now I know what your 'leaders' have been reading:

http://www.overcomingbias.com/2020/02/consider-controlled-infection.html

(check the date on that)

[Mike]

A woman in the staff room has a cough, temperature and a bad chest! They’re telling her to go home, she better! Utter moron! Mustn’t have a tv in her house!

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

We've got one guy who's working from home because he got a cough over the weekend.

Only feels like a matter of time before the numbers will ramp up.

[Shindig]

Y'know, for all these closed borders, planes are still operating out of this country to supposedly locked down locations. Ryaniar's still flying to Spain regularly, for one. American Airlines have a flight at the minute that I assume it's a repatriation flight to New York.

[John Arne]

Y'know, for all these closed borders, planes are still operating out of this country to supposedly locked down locations. Ryaniar's still flying to Spain regularly, for one. American Airlines have a flight at the minute that I assume it's a repatriation flight to New York.

Are they not for repatriation purposes?

[SvN]

We've got someone working from home today. They have no symptoms other than "maybe having a fever", but they don't have a thermometer to check. Proper piss take.

[Shindig]

Maybe. It looks too busy but this whole Europe shutdown kicked off so quickly and I can't imagine it's quick to arrange a return flight.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They're running some to Poland today from Heathrow.

The ban was only put in place on Sunday.

[Ian]

We've got someone working from home today. They have no symptoms other than "maybe having a fever", but they don't have a thermometer to check. Proper piss take.

I don't have a thermometer. Do most people have a thermometer?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I don't have one and they were all sold out when I checked Sainsburys a few days ago.

[mugbull]

I get random fevers like once a month so I've always got a thermometer handy

[Lee]

According to Andrew Neil, France is about to go into mental lockdown. As you get to leave your house once a day lockdown and only for a food shop. Which presumably is why they moved quite early to protect people's pay. They knew it was coming.

We've got our first few cases now, with some in ICU. There's a weird atmosphere about. Lot's of clinical people who know there's a storm coming. All of my meetings have been cancelled (because they rely on clinical people to make them useful) other than one which has been established to give us a daily update on what's happening. I expect the work from home order is going to come quite quickly.

I'm starting to hear anecdotal evidence of it spreading too. One lad here has a cousin and a friend who have been tested positive. Both in their twenties, both okay, but ill enough not to be able to get out of bed. In this context I think 'mild symptoms' means been knocked off your feet for a bit rather than a bit of a sniffle.

I have a bit of a cough, which I've deemed to be intermittent rather than continuous, but how the fuck do you know? The reason I'm in is my temperature is at 36.7 and I have a bit of a runny nose which apparently doesn't really happen with this. My approach underlines the issue though - people are going to spread it because they'll do what I'm doing.

[Shindig]

Yeah, the symptoms are always going to be a point of contention. I've not got a fever (although I'm not checking, I'm just going by how a fever's likely to make me feel), I've got a sore throat and, as a result of that I'm doing this kind of throat clear cough. If I was working this fortnight, I'd be in but I'll be steering clear of my parents until I'm 100% for at least a week.

We need to really batten down the hatches to at least be ready for the when the rest of Europe clears it. Do it way before the back breaks.

[Kikó]

Mild symptoms (according to that video of the guy on MSNBC) ranges from a slight tickly throat to pneumonia where you don't need help to breath.

Pretty extreme.

[Lee]

Yeah, the symptoms are always going to be a point of contention. I've not got a fever (although I'm not checking, I'm just going by how a fever's likely to make me feel), I've got a sore throat and, as a result of that I'm doing this kind of throat clear cough. If I was working this fortnight, I'd be in but I'll be steering clear of my parents until I'm 100% for at least a week.

We need to really batten down the hatches to at least be ready for the when the rest of Europe clears it. Do it way before the back breaks.

I'm stopping away from my parents and we're all sitting apart from one another at work as far as is possible. Washing my hands basically every time I touch a new surface.

[Bernanke]

I read something about flights still happening because airlines need to "keep their slots at airports" or something? Sounded absolutely mental but it seemed they were just shuffling empty flights around for show.

[niko_cee]

They've stopped that flight thing now, haven't they (although it was a thing).

More cases in Jersey, the filthy buggers.

[Yevrah]

Any news on today's numbers?

[Shindig]

I believe EU have relaxed that or are at least going to. It happens with trains in the UK as well but that's more down to government requirements. Basically, there are required routes they have to run so you get ghost trains between rural areas just to keep the contract.

https://www.businesstraveller.com/business-travel/2020/03/11/coronavirus-european-commission-to-relax-slot-usage-obligations/

[Magic]

Any news on today's numbers?

171 confirmed cases in Scotland.

[Lee]

Any news on today's numbers?

Increase of 171.

Dunno how many tested.

[niko_cee]

It's only deaths Yev's interested in, he can extrapolate cases back from that.

[Shindig]

1543 positives. 44,105 tests. As of 9am this morning. 1 new death?


On 11 March NHS England announced that testing in NHS laboratories would increase from testing 1,500 to 10,000 per day.

We're doing between 2,500 and 4,500 tests per day. :moop:

[Yevrah]

the DHSC are dragging their heels...

https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7 Ctwgr%5Eauthor

And yeah, given our approach, the number of cases and tests are now meaningless.

[Lee]

the DHSC are dragging their heels...

https://twitter.com/DHSCgovuk?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7 Ctwgr%5Eauthor

And yeah, given our approach, the number of cases and tests are now meaningless.

Given they're hospital only tests they're useful in telling us how prevalent it is among patients presenting with respiratory symptoms.

[Yevrah]

Given they're hospital only tests they're useful in telling us how prevalent it is among patients presenting with respiratory symptoms.

Pretty sure 'very' will suffice on that score soon if it doesn't already.

[Lee]

Pretty sure 'very' will suffice on that score soon if it doesn't already.

Under 5% of total tests yesterday. Was nearer 9% the day before. Test numbers 3,800ish today compared to 2,500ish the day before. Certainly at my place many more are testing negative than positive. Very early days though.

[Yevrah]

That does sound promising for us being 4 weeks behind Italy rather than 2.

[Lee]

I think what they're aiming for is South Korea without the testing. It's arguably more extreme but dependent upon human behaviour. South Korea test and isolate. We're saying even if you have any kind of symptoms whatsoever, isolate.

[Shindig]

You can gather as well that widespread daily testing can only be so effective. Hospital cases are the more likely to turn out positive and they're the ones you'll go back to, again and again, for an eventual negative result.

[Baz]

I'm stopping away from my parents and we're all sitting apart from one another at work as far as is possible. Washing my hands basically every time I touch a new surface.:lol:

What an absolute shambles this is.

[Shindig]

Just got my parents' opinions on the Over 70s isolation plan. They're not having it. They need carers to come in for my mam. In fact, they're looking into sheltered accommodation. Mainly for the onsite care as my dad gets on in years. Only essential appointments are being done so my mam's asthma check-up is on whilst her dentist check-up is not.

[Giggles]

I’ve avoided the news all day and it’s been wonderful.

[randomlegend]

As foundation doctors we usually rotate to different specialties every 4 months. We were due to change on April 1st. They've cancelled it for the foreseeable future so I get to stay on paeds :drool:

[Luca]

Cracking time for my best mate’s wife’s water to break. Hospital on full lockdown. Probably won’t get to see the child until he’s a teenager.

[Yevrah]

So we've still had no death number for yesterday. :sherlock:

My gut would be it's bigger than anticipated and a number that may scare people that they're holding back from people until the press conference so they can explain it in context.

[Giggles]

So we've still had no death number for yesterday. :sherlock:

My gut would be it's bigger than anticipated and a number that may scare people that they're holding back from people until the press conference so they can explain it in context.

Can only hope anyway.

[Waffdon]

She’s still full of a temperature and coughing but refusing to phone NHS or whatever. I’m only allowed to stay off work if I start showing any symptoms even if I’ve been with her and she’s diagnosed apparently

[Boydy]

Is anyone elae getting no sound on the bbc website for this briefing?

[Yevrah]

I think I was right, we're closer to 2 weeks away from Italy than 4.

[Dave.]

She’s still full of a temperature and coughing but refusing to phone NHS or whatever. I’m only allowed to stay off work if I start showing any symptoms even if I’ve been with her and she’s diagnosed apparently

From Boris speech today: "Anyone who lives with someone who has a cough or a temperature should stay at home for 14 days."

[Shindig]

Well, they walked back the 7 day isolation for severe symptoms pretty quick. 14 days it is.

[Yevrah]

As far as I can see they've appreciated they've got the numbers wrong and are reacting accordingly. I don't know whether it's enough though.

[Alex]

Every time I see Chris Witty or Patrick Vallance I just think, imagine being in the big chair when it comes to making these sort of decisions? I just wouldn't fucking sleep.

[Magic]

Is that an admittance of getting it totally wrong?

[Dave.]

As far as I can see they've appreciated they've got the numbers wrong and are reacting accordingly. I don't know whether it's enough though.

I haven't heard the speech as I'm at work so I'm restricted to the summary on BBC website but it all seems a bit wishy-washy to me. "Avoid pubs, clubs, theatres and other such social venues", does this mean these sort of places will be closing down? Or do we just have to be trusted not to go to them? And why is going to the pub and other forms of social interaction strongly discouraged yet me going to work (on a train to a crowded office) is still compulsory?

[Yevrah]

It's rapidly dawning on me that the last thing you want in the middle of this shit is a liberal democracy and a liberal society.

[Yevrah]

"Looks like we're more like 3 weeks behind Italy"

I was more right than the fucking government and scientific experts. Jesus fucking Christ.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Just had a thing with my work, we're all still going in, they are so laughably behind the times. I just hope I don't get it or spread it because of these mongs.

[Ian]

Is there anything that would stop you doing your job from home?

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Second person in the office won't be in tomorrow now, her mum has been confirmed as having it and she has a fever.

I swear I've also got a slight shortness of breath now but you start to wonder if you're being a hypochondriac. We'll see after a stint on the exercise bike tonight.

[Magic]

Where are you Ross?

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

As in work?

[Magic]

Aye.

[Shindig]

I can see a staged lockdown. London's being first on the block. All I can wonder is if Boris and co. are tying to buy time as they get the resources ready to enforce it.

[Kikó]

I haven't heard the speech as I'm at work so I'm restricted to the summary on BBC website but it all seems a bit wishy-washy to me. "Avoid pubs, clubs, theatres and other such social venues", does this mean these sort of places will be closing down? Or do we just have to be trusted not to go to them? And why is going to the pub and other forms of social interaction strongly discouraged yet me going to work (on a train to a crowded office) is still compulsory?

Basically meaning none of them can claim on insurance for losses with wishy washy language.

This press conference should have been done ages ago. Much better.

[Shindig]

TT 2020 cancelled. Right call.

Vaccine trials are underway (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51906604)

Alright. Fingers crossed on that.

[Waffdon]

From Boris speech today: "Anyone who lives with someone who has a cough or a temperature should stay at home for 14 days."

I don’t live with her, but been with her and stayed with her most of the last week

[Byron]

Still no guidance from work, I've told my manager outright that I'm not coming in and I'll WFH tomorrow.

By that point it'll be enforced WFH anyway.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Aye.

Montrose.

The NHS site only lists the fever and cough as symptoms. Would have thought they'd include shortness of breath too given it seems to be listed elsewhere-

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/

[Yevrah]

Where are yesterday's death numbers? Have we turned into sodding North Korea.

[Lee]

Where are yesterday's death numbers? Have we turned into sodding North Korea.

Hancock just announced it as 53 total.

[Yevrah]

18 then. 1/3 of the key days passed to see if we're on the Italian trajectory.

[Shindig]

Fuck me. We're already doubling.

[bruhnaldo]

"Liam Gallagher thought he had coronavirus but his house was just hot"

I love that guy, tbh.

[Lee]

18 then. 1/3 of the key days passed to see if we're on the Italian trajectory.

According to Vallance we’ve gone earlier than Italy with these measures, so it’s not really the next few days that matter. Those deaths are baked in now and will only tell us where we were from a couple of weeks back up until today. What is worth knowing is what the time difference is between us locking down compared with italy, so we can understand if we have successfully ‘flattened the curve’.

[Yevrah]

According to Vallance we’ve gone earlier than Italy with these measures, so it’s not really the next few days that matter. Those deaths are baked in now and will only tell us where we were from a couple of weeks back up until today. What is worth knowing is what the time difference is between us locking down compared with italy, so we can understand if we have successfully ‘flattened the curve’.

if we're on the same trajectory as Italy we've locked down 7 days sooner than they did, except and this may be crucial, we haven't actually locked down. We have, I agree though, employed some measures before they employed any.

[Disco]

They seem to be phasing these measures in, I reckon sport would have been stopped today had it not already, and you have to think the full LOCKDOWN will be coming next.

[Giggles]

We’re going to use Croke Park as a drive through testing facility which should speed up diagnoses. There’s a load of walk through ones opening around the country soon.

[Disco]

Just had a thing with my work, we're all still going in, they are so laughably behind the times. I just hope I don't get it or spread it because of these mongs.

Still nothing this end, tomorrow might be interesting. At what point do you decide to say something?

[Manc]

What a day to start a new job.

[Lee]

Given that we are days away from locking old people inside, the only reason to keep schools open will be to allow key workers to do their jobs.

[phonics]

Christ I am so bored of this already. Everyone has completely lost the plot. What's so hard about 'Do as you're told and try not to lick the carpets'?

[Waffdon]

Big Idris Elba managed to get tested for this without having any symptoms. It has came back positive

[Magic]

Big Idris Elba managed to get tested for this without having any symptoms. It has came back positive

He was probably in contact with someone with someone who tested positive.

[Yevrah]

Christ I am so bored of this already. Everyone has completely lost the plot. What's so hard about 'Do as you're told and try not to lick the carpets'?

I was listening to the radio on the way home and people are absolute morons. One dog walker is still going to socialise with her fellow dog walkers (because that's alright, isn't it?) and the host then talked about changing storylines in Coronation Street. Yes, with the key one being no storyline for a while, if not just yet, then very soon.

Do the words global pandemic not mean anything to people?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Still nothing this end, tomorrow might be interesting. At what point do you decide to say something?

I have a mate who works for, let's call it, a west London football club and HE is wondering whether to say something, so I reckon you and I might just have to keep going in throughout.

[John Arne]

Mason Mount was also spotted playing 5-a-side footy when he should have been self isolating.

This attitude will hurt the UK greatly.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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:(

[Shindig]

If it doesn't directly affect them, it's not their problem. Or they use the flu numbers to justify how this is all a big dumb panic. I hate that logic especially.

[phonics]

I was listening to the radio on the way home and people are absolute morons. One dog walker is still going to socialise with her fellow dog walkers (because that's alright, isn't it?) and the host then talked about changing storylines in Coronation Street. Yes, with the key one being no storyline for a while, if not just yet, then very soon.

Do the words global pandemic not mean anything to people?

You are being similarly mental just on the other side.

[Yevrah]

You are being similarly mental just on the other side.

Nope, I'm taking a global pandemic seriously.

[phonics]

Mate you've built yourself a spreadsheet to predict deaths. You've gone full nutter.

[Giggles]

Nope, I'm taking a global pandemic seriously.

You’re perversely revelling in it. There’s probably a happy medium.

[Yevrah]

Mate you've built yourself a spreadsheet to predict deaths. You're a nutter.

I built it because I didn't believe the government's take on where we were with this, and I was right not to have done.

[Shindig]

Yev, you've gone beyond concern into permanent Yevrage. You will wank yourself thin.

[Yevrah]

You’re perversely revelling in it. There’s probably a happy medium.

I appreciate it comes across that way, but I find it fascinating and it's the biggest thing to happen to the planet since arguably WWII. I do this with anything huge, it's just the way I'm wired.

I also don't want people to die and I will be following all of the instructions to the letter now that they encompass me, but I know they will die, it's there in the numbers. It's just how many.

[Yevrah]

Yev, you've gone beyond concern into permanent Yevrage. You will wank yourself thin.

I'm quite calm, it's just the way I type.

[phonics]

biggest thing to happen to the planet since WWII...

You've gone full nutter.

[Yevrah]

biggest thing to happen to the planet since WWII...

You've gone full nutter.

Sorry, meant the population, and as a whole.

What's bigger?

[Smjffy]

I would rather be sat next to a overly cautious deep in numbers Yevrah than a bumbling buffoon in Boris.

[Yevrah]

Also, telling people gone 5 that they need to work from home from now is a monumentally stupid time to do it.

There will be people who're showing symptoms by the morning going back into the office to get their laptops, infecting the idiots who don't heed this advice.

[Shindig]

I would ... for the moment, consider this on the scale of Chernobyl. Although I've compared it to WW2 in the way places are being locked down like the Blitz.

[Magic]

I would ... for the moment, consider this on the scale of Chernobyl. Although I've compared it to WW2 in the way places are being locked down like the Blitz.

What killing 4000 cossack wannabes.

[Yevrah]

I would ... for the moment, consider this on the scale of Chernobyl. Although I've compared it to WW2 in the way places are being locked down like the Blitz.

Chernobyl only affected Europe, and even then not much of it.

This is global and it's going to change the world as we know it, if albeit only temporarily. Hell, it already is. People who don't understand that have completely misunderstood the gravity of the situation.

[niko_cee]

Without wanting to poke in a in into this NostrYevmus myth we're building here, but, as far as 'the numbers' go there's a fucking website for that (why make your own?) and, as far as I can tell, any prediction he may or may not have made was simply achievable by clicking on Italy and tracing their graph back to when they were at our daily death number.

In more interesting speculation, could this be the catalyst for the fabled European Super League? I can't imagine the likes of United (denied CL/5th) and Liverpool (denied title) will be happy to see this season binned because Brighton, West Ham and some other pisspot clubs don't much fancy being relegated. Natural break as well.

[Yevrah]

Climate change will obviously ultimately be much bigger, but we'll all be long dead by then, so for us and up to our grandparents, this is it.

[Lewis]

The War on Terror has changed our lives more than this bollocks will, and there was that whole looming thermonuclear death business that lasted for forty years.

[Shindig]

I actually wonder if this gives climate change a setback. Given how many months this will impact production, could we see a short-term change scientists can point to?

[niko_cee]

I was speaking with someone a while ago, in the context of climate change, about how we were a generation who lacked (and therefore craved) an existential crisis, and then, well like the buses . . .

[Yevrah]

I actually wonder if this gives climate change a setback. Given how many months this will impact production, could we see a short-term change scientists can point to?

There was something about a pollution image I saw of above Italy or China that showed vast reductions.

I'm not a religious man, but if I were I wouldn't be surprised to be thinking this is God's way of telling us to get our shit together. Nice-ish pandemic this time round, keep fucking shit up and I'm coming after you again with a much nastier one.

[bruhnaldo]

In more interesting speculation, could this be the catalyst for the fabled European Super League? I can't imagine the likes of United (denied CL/5th) and Liverpool (denied title) will be happy to see this season binned because Brighton, West Ham and some other pisspot clubs don't much fancy being relegated. Natural break as well.

I thought about this yesterday. What a perfect time for them all to say "you know what, while we have this break let's just completely fuck off entirely and start our own league, then.

[ScousePig]

We're all a bit 'Yev', we just let him express it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The War on Terror has changed our lives more than this bollocks will, and there was that whole looming thermonuclear death business that lasted for forty years.

People are being stopped from living anything resembling their normal lives for months. That's not happened since 1945.

[phonics]

People are being stopped from living anything resembling their normal lives for months. That's not happened since 1945.

Half a million people at least have died from it :cab:

Absolutely mental take. This whole thing is proper 'fuck me, it affects white people' and everyone freaks out.

[niko_cee]

Italy rolling in with another 349 dead.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Half a million people at least have died from it :cab:

Absolutely mental take.

From the war on terror? Only seriously affected life in about five countries. This will affect 200 and crash the world economy.

[Yevrah]

Half a million people at least have died from it :cab:

Absolutely mental take. This whole thing is proper 'fuck me, it affects white people' and everyone freaks out.

This could and probably will easily kill more than half a million people. Fuck, it may even in the UK alone.

[Yevrah]

And on the economy crashing, that's going to kill more people still through actual poverty.

People just don't get it.

[phonics]

I'm jumping out here. Too many people going full nutter it's just stressing me out.

[Shindig]

That retired nurse on youtube speculates that the Italian doctors tend to prescribe painkillers to reduce fever. I forget which ones are a no-no but there's non-steroid ones and steroid ones. One of which aggravates the infection. Might explain why younger patients are finding themselves in trouble.