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I think you've brought up a lot of good points there, Jimmy.
The only thing I would say is we are unsure about the effiacy of the Oxford vaccine against the South African variant. The study you are referrring to when they talk about not protecting against mild/moderate illness was done in quite a young population apparently. The results for that study or the test on severe disease still haven't been published. I guess that begs the question, how likely would a surge in South African variant cases be in the UK if we opened up? And would all the people who have been given the Oxford jab (Pfizer have reported, in another yet unpublished study that their jab is protective) here be protected? It's an unknown.
I think they are shit scared of hospitals being overrun again. What is the wait list now for elective operations, for example? Last I heard was three years. That line of thinking may be right or wrong, but I reckon that's what they are guarding against.
How can you say there’s zero evidence of Christmas having an effect? :cab:
Lewis
11-02-2021, 01:17 PM
I said the media wasn't equipped to handle any of this in March and the nonce tendency said I was running interference for the government. I should have written it up properly at the time and added 'Contributing Editor' to my social media. Oh well.
Jimmy Floyd
11-02-2021, 01:19 PM
How can you say there’s zero evidence of Christmas having an effect? :cab:
Because there is zero evidence of Christmas having an effect.
If anything, the rate of increase in infections was probably starting to slow by then.
Isn't their concern regarding cases simply that it increases likelihood of mutation and therefore vaccine failure/higher risk of severe illness?
Team Sauna is so disillusioned and defeated it is now batting for the other side.
Jimmy Floyd
11-02-2021, 01:30 PM
Isn't their concern regarding cases simply that it increases likelihood of mutation and therefore vaccine failure/higher risk of severe illness?
Team Sauna is so disillusioned and defeated it is now batting for the other side.
Exactly my point - if there was actual evidence of a dangerous variant doing dangerous things, then lock us down as per January. Now the discourse seems to have moved to 'But there might be a variant in the future!' which is not a basis to extend this level of lockdown.
Spikey M
11-02-2021, 01:46 PM
So even if everyone is vaccinated, we still need to get cases down to ~0 to avoid further mutations? Why don't they do the same with the Flu then? The Flu has form for birthing viruses far more deadly than this.
Spikey M
11-02-2021, 01:51 PM
And if that's the goal, are we to keep international travel closed forever? Because there's no way every other country in the world will do the same.
Yevrah
11-02-2021, 01:52 PM
Cracking post Jim.
The general gist of it ties into what I was getting at the other day, in that there is simply no logical reason currently to extend lockdown on its current basis for any longer than to the end of March, possibly even the end of Feb, but most of the noises from those feeding into that decision are going the other way and I too, don't really understand why.
And given we've been locked down for what, six weeks now, there's a classic contradiction in the messaging that suggests numbers aren't falling and things are still bad as they've been. In that taking that line and running with it very much implies that lockdown doesn't actually work. Which we all know is bollocks, but when the messaging is as negative as it is then that's the only logical conclusion if you take it at face value.
Lewis
11-02-2021, 01:56 PM
Everything The Science has said since summer (publicly at least) has been with a view to covering its arse in the eventual inquiries and balancing any blame they [unfairly] get for the first phase with not being listened to second, third, fourth time round.
Yevrah
11-02-2021, 02:06 PM
They were practising shit science though, that even I could have told them was bollocks, so for my money there should be some blame if we have to have an inquiry (I'd rather put the whole thing down to 'shit happens' and invest the time and money towards working out a proper gameplan for the next time ), not that it would have made that much difference as the only thing that would have was the nuclear option of closing borders, but apparently viruses don't respect those....
Jimmy Floyd
11-02-2021, 02:07 PM
I think you've brought up a lot of good points there, Jimmy.
The only thing I would say is we are unsure about the effiacy of the Oxford vaccine against the South African variant. The study you are referrring to when they talk about not protecting against mild/moderate illness was done in quite a young population apparently. The results for that study or the test on severe disease still haven't been published. I guess that begs the question, how likely would a surge in South African variant cases be in the UK if we opened up? And would all the people who have been given the Oxford jab (Pfizer have reported, in another yet unpublished study that their jab is protective) here be protected? It's an unknown.
I think they are shit scared of hospitals being overrun again. What is the wait list now for elective operations, for example? Last I heard was three years. That line of thinking may be right or wrong, but I reckon that's what they are guarding against.
The problem here is that scientists are trying to bring the scientific method into public policy.
Science, as you presumably know better than me, is not a set of facts, but a process aimed at establishing truth. When truth is not yet known, the process must continue until it is. Therefore a great many things are 'maybe' and 'perhaps' until the scientific method has exhausted all other possibilities. This makes for good science but makes for dreadful public policy. If we made public policy on the basis of what 'might' go wrong, then we would all be living in caves. Ladders would definitely be banned; so would all forms of automotive transport, presumably, until we could stop them from blowing up and crashing into each other. We'd probably all have to wear special hoods to stop acid rain from getting into the water mains. I could make up any number of similarly far-fetched examples, and extending covid lockdown indefinitely to protect against any future issues is another one.
There comes a point when politicians need to stop 'following the science' as if it is fact rather than method, and start making decisions for everyone's benefit on the balance of all available evidence.
Lewis
11-02-2021, 02:10 PM
Public Health England do make policy along those lines. It's just that normally they're only listened to to a point.
Jimmy Floyd
11-02-2021, 02:15 PM
And that is because journalists report all the maybes as OH MY GOD LOOK AT THIS because they are under severe pressure to break stories constantly or die. This feeds into public unease, and public unease coming back via focus groups makes Boris Johnson think that really he should listen to 'the science' or he might become unpopular.
Yevrah
11-02-2021, 02:18 PM
THE SCIENCE took such a prominent stage in all this because it uniquely tapped into a time where the vast majority of even semi-educated people were moronically wearing 'believing in THE SCIENCE' as some sort of badge to elevate themselves above the droves of idiots who believe in flat earth, creationism and other such manifest nonsense. The government, or more likely Cummings were acutely aware of this and that's why Whitty, Valance, Swiss Van Tam and FOLLOWING THE SCIENCE were front and centre from day 1.
What they didn't realise was that in the case of a pandemic THE SCIENCE actually follows the virus and doesn't precede it, so while you should absolutely be listening to the science, following common sense would have been the much better thing to do.
Lewis
11-02-2021, 04:10 PM
As someone pointed out on Twitter, we've actually donned the actual SCIENCE stuff (testing, sequencing, vaccines and vaccination), making it all the more lol/facepalm that we can't manage the low-end stuff like closing airports or hanging randomly selected teachers.
Jimmy Floyd
11-02-2021, 04:13 PM
That we are doing 50% of the world's genome sequencing is almost half the problem, in that no one has a clue about the Taco Bell Arkansas variant that inevitably exists, but we shit ourselves about the Little Shittinghampton variant.
Boydy
11-02-2021, 04:13 PM
https://i.ibb.co/KzXBDPH/xmascovid.jpg (https://ibb.co/6JmG8M5)
Not really sure how you can claim Christmas had no effect.
niko_cee
11-02-2021, 04:23 PM
Wouldn't you expect cases to be higher in mid-Jan than they were during the Christmas period (or at least stay as high) what with the 2 week lag and all?
Jimmy Floyd
11-02-2021, 04:24 PM
It's generally thought that the peak of positive cases was the arse end of December (that 7 day trend line shows it fairly neatly). With a 5-7 day lag (it's probably 7-9 but let's say 5-7 for caution) from point of infection to a positive case being registered, that would suggest that infections had already peaked before 24-26th Dec. With a widespread Christmas mixing effect you would have seen cases peak far later and almost certainly peak higher.
Similarly, you can see cases start to fall before lockdown actually starts on the 4th, because people had been scared indoors by then. My personal theory is that no one actually did anything over Christmas and that's why infections didn't soar.
It's close in dates but entirely coincidental.
Boydy
11-02-2021, 04:46 PM
Wouldn't you expect cases to be higher in mid-Jan than they were during the Christmas period (or at least stay as high) what with the 2 week lag and all?
The peak was 9th January.
Jimmy Floyd
11-02-2021, 04:48 PM
The peak was 29 December.
Boydy
11-02-2021, 04:59 PM
The peak was 29 December.
Yeah, you're right, I misread the graph. Dunno how I got 9th Jan.
It still starts to dip before Christmas, then rises slightly, than takes off after it.
Jimmy Floyd
11-02-2021, 05:01 PM
The dip is just reporting lag (no one got tested on Christmas Day and the surrounding days). If you look at the 7 day curve on the 4th panel down here https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases you can basically see, apart from the 4 day reporting deviation at Christmas, a smooth curve up to the peak and then a smooth curve down since.
Lewis
11-02-2021, 05:06 PM
I read that there was a minor but noticeable bump on the London-Manchester-Dundee trail a couple of weeks afterwards.
Shindig
11-02-2021, 06:26 PM
I feel like the big test is seeing what happens when the kids go back to school.
Magic
11-02-2021, 06:34 PM
What A levels lol.
6 out of 10 deaths in UK were disabled people?
https://media.tenor.com/images/42760717818eed09db211635761138c7/tenor.gif
#OTC #OTS
The news is firing zingers all over the gaff tonight.
It costs Ł2k a day to house each of these fucks in ICU :happycry:
Lewis
11-02-2021, 10:27 PM
Add disability benefits to pensions and expensive houses as the things to raid paying for it all.
Shindig
11-02-2021, 10:32 PM
Let's not be too hasty, here. :uhoh:
Jimmy Floyd
11-02-2021, 10:34 PM
Don't worry, the lads are all over it:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Et-oK0aXMAkoysq?format=jpg&name=large
I haven't been to a sauna in years, can you stay 1m apart?
Fuck knows how they managed to get away with it but my Bannatyne's was allowing 3 into a 2mx1m room :cool:
We're hitting up one of those special London male saunas to celebrate full reopening, son.
Yevrah
11-02-2021, 10:53 PM
We'll have vaccinated almost everyone who it's worth vaccinating by August, so what in the sweet fuck is that article about?
Lewis
11-02-2021, 11:03 PM
If there is one thing liable to undermine popular support for these measures, and it probably is only this one thing, it will be making us wear masks like dickheads in August after we've all been vaccinated just so they can keep the borders open.
Yevrah
11-02-2021, 11:06 PM
I'm alright with wearing a mask as we do now, but staying 1m apart suggests many things one would assume should be long open by August, won't be.
And that, can fuck right off.
Lol fuck off with that article. 80% of the population will have been vaccinated by then so why would we extend restrictions TO THE END OF THE YEAR.
I’m close to joining the Open The Clubs club.
Jimmy Floyd
11-02-2021, 11:37 PM
As I've been saying since April it's because they (politicians and scientists alike) have no concept of human beings as human beings, they just see them as economic actors and disease vectors respectively.
If you obsess on those two things at the expense of humanity this is what you end up with, telling people that they can't hug family members in order to preserve their ability to have a socially distanced drink at Pitcher and Piano.
Im probably going to end up waiting until my parents have been vaccinated, hopefully by the end of this month or early March. Drop another 28 days on top of that to give it time to work and I’m abandoning distancing. The vaccines work and I won’t be told otherwise by Boris.
Mellberg
12-02-2021, 12:19 AM
Been really disciplined throughout, but the second my mom gets vaccinated I'll be doing what I like and avoiding old people.
neo_hippy
12-02-2021, 06:00 AM
I can't be bothered to actually look at the numbers but if the vaccines keep 60-90% of people out of hospital with severe disease that's still 10-40% of people who could get it and overwhelm the NHS right?
I assume that's why come August we're still 1m apart? No?
Queenslander
12-02-2021, 06:00 AM
The Australian Open will finish without fans due to a 5 day lockdown.
Spikey M
12-02-2021, 07:28 AM
Giggles will be delighted to hear that my wife's cunt cousin with cRiPpLiNg AnXiEtY has somehow conned her way into getting a vaccine today.
On the plus side this should free up some time from posting Mental Health memes all day. It's probably condemning someone actually at risk to death but hey ho.
Queenslander
12-02-2021, 07:29 AM
I wonder if I can get it early down here for mental health reasons...
niko_cee
12-02-2021, 07:30 AM
You lot aren't getting it at all, or at least not until everyone else on the planet has had 4 or 5 just to be sure it's safe, no?
Queenslander
12-02-2021, 07:35 AM
Starts next month.
Hopefully I can just walk into the nearest pharmacy.
I know plenty of reasonable people who want to hold off not me Ill be getting it asap.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/australia-coronavirus-vaccine-oxford-astra-zeneca-csl-enters-final-manufacturing-stage/0cad6460-2fc5-40d8-ac50-0d7242d33acd
Spikey M
12-02-2021, 08:00 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56030384
The UK's rules on quarantine hotels for travellers arriving from Covid "red list" countries are less stringent than those enforced in Australia.
The BBC has seen a copy of the UK government's official requirements for hotel operators ahead of the policy starting on Monday.
It spells out the rules for handling travellers for 11 nights of quarantine.
Australia's system, introduced early last year, is seen as a gold standard internationally.
:D for fuck sake
Queenslander
12-02-2021, 08:06 AM
I was just reading that very article.
Cant compare the 2 surely?
Spikey M
12-02-2021, 08:10 AM
Definitely not, as you're protecting a more or less Covid-free society and we, well... Definitely aren't, but more to the point nothing is ever enough for these people. We could shut everything down but food deliveries and there'd be some cunt whining about farmers coughing all over their carrots.
Queenslander
12-02-2021, 08:15 AM
Time to bring in a social media lockdown for these drama junkies.
Edit: There is also an elemant of luck involved down here as well.
Jimmy Floyd
12-02-2021, 08:29 AM
The amount of scaremongering bullshit I have seen on our media in the last 24 hours makes me think there is definitely some sort of co-ordinated approach going on, and I'm the absolute last person to believe in conspiracies, I'm basically an establishment stooge most of the time.
Last night that other SAGE wally said that masks will be in 'forever' and the rule of six in place for a year. I mean, what the actual fuck are these people trying to do?
Jimmy Floyd
12-02-2021, 08:39 AM
Oh Christ, here's another one... it's like machine gun fire at the moment. All absolute horse shit.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-restrictions-could-be-in-place-until-all-adults-are-vaccinated-expert-warns-12215570
Speaking on a special programme, COVID Crisis: Learning The Lessons, she admitted it was "difficult to say" if rules this summer could be tighter than they were during the same period last year.
Why the fuck would rules be tighter this summer than last? Why? We have vaccines!
Queenslander
12-02-2021, 08:40 AM
Outside of lockdowns masks wont be forever that is mental.
Magic
12-02-2021, 08:47 AM
They're on the ropes, lads. :drool:
Spikey M
12-02-2021, 09:05 AM
Oh Christ, here's another one... it's like machine gun fire at the moment. All absolute horse shit.
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-restrictions-could-be-in-place-until-all-adults-are-vaccinated-expert-warns-12215570
Why the fuck would rules be tighter this summer than last? Why? We have vaccines!
On the plus side, the economy doesn't matter anymore so we'll all be on Universal Credit come June.
niko_cee
12-02-2021, 09:21 AM
Quarantine hotels are a dangerously stupid idea.
So obviously we've (well, you've) jumped on them late in the day. There was some talk of them here but apparently 'now is not the time'. Not sure when the time will be, hopefully in the past.
Shindig
12-02-2021, 09:25 AM
Israel Watch
They're at 67% of the population vaccinated. The Times of Israel have this to say. (https://www.timesofisrael.com/hmo-sees-only-544-covid-infections-among-523000-fully-vaccinated-israelis/)
5000 new cases yesterday. That number has been steadily decreasing.
But don't open the schools just yet. (https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n383)
Queenslander
12-02-2021, 09:26 AM
Having them in the CBD is a stupid idea. The more remote ones eg the one in the Northern Territory are great.
niko_cee
12-02-2021, 09:28 AM
Can you not just send everyone to Nauru?
Jimmy Floyd
12-02-2021, 09:29 AM
Quarantine hotels are a bit like the requirement in some countries for outdoor mask wearing, i.e. a measure that is better at being seen to be doing something than it is at actually doing something.
Queenslander
12-02-2021, 09:31 AM
Can you not just send everyone to Nauru?
We sent them to Christmas Island at the very start. Wasnt a good look so they knocked it on the head.
Queenslander
12-02-2021, 09:33 AM
Quarantine hotels are a bit like the requirement in some countries for outdoor mask wearing, i.e. a measure that is better at being seen to be doing something than it is at actually doing something.
They were forced to do it because most people refused to stay at home for 2 weeks. Overall they have been a positve and have allowed a lot of ex pats to come home.
Easy for me to say as I havent gone through what I assume would be a pretty grim experience.
niko_cee
12-02-2021, 09:34 AM
Well, I suppose it's good to know that there's always a more stupid solution to any given problem.
The best bit about the UK quarantine hotels is the Jocks trying to go full Australia and imposing them on all arrivals, whilst England doesn't. Joined up.
Queenslander
12-02-2021, 09:36 AM
Well, I suppose it's good to know that there's always a more stupid solution to any given problem.
The best bit about the UK quarantine hotels is the Jocks trying to go full Australia and imposing them on all arrivals, whilst England doesn't. Joined up.
You could borrow our prison Islands? We only have brown men and a Sri Lankan family across the 2 atm.
Journalists and Politicians arent allowed on Nauru so feel free to do whatever.
Shindig
12-02-2021, 09:38 AM
It's all undone by the red list anyway. If I fancy going to America, I have to quarantine there for two weeks but I'm fine to go straight home at our end.
niko_cee
12-02-2021, 09:38 AM
They were forced to do it because most people refused to stay at home for 2 weeks.
Is there any evidence of this?
We've had [variously stringent] self-isolation requirements for arrivals [whilst also having to have frequent travel for health reasons and essential worker visits from disease central] and managed to make it work for 8 months before the Kent Variant got in, which will probably see us properly locked down for about a month, before things start going back to normal. It feels like that is an as good, if not better, outcome than Australia's quarantine hotels have had [with all the many and varied lockdowns stemming from them - 5 months for Victoria!?!].
It also means we've been able to go and see my wife's family a few times during this which would be point blank impossible in a hotel quarantine environment.
You also say it's let a lot of ex-pats back, it's also fucked a lot of people in the arse as it has basically stopped them from being able to return to their homes [due to the lack of hotel availability and flights as a knock-on].
Queenslander
12-02-2021, 09:41 AM
Ill try and find something but my memory from March last year is what Im going off.
Im definitely not saying it hasnt hurt people and it is very easy for me to cheer lead as my life hasnt been affected by it in anyway.
The Federal Govenement has cut back flights in due to outbreaks while letting in any and all people from Hollywood and International sport.
I also dont think what is happening in Australia is possible to recreate anywhere else in the world.
Jimmy Floyd
12-02-2021, 09:46 AM
I know a guy who had (well, has) a job in Sydney, had been there 1.5 years or so, happened to be back here visiting family when covid hit, and he basically had to get all his belongings couriered back to the UK because Australia is never going to let him in again - working visa not even a prayer of being let in.
As a result he's been 'working from home' nocturnally ever since.
Spikey M
12-02-2021, 09:54 AM
:D mental
Queenslander
12-02-2021, 09:55 AM
I know a guy who had (well, has) a job in Sydney, had been there 1.5 years or so, happened to be back here visiting family when covid hit, and he basically had to get all his belongings couriered back to the UK because Australia is never going to let him in again - working visa not even a prayer of being let in.
As a result he's been 'working from home' nocturnally ever since.
That is fucked.
niko_cee
12-02-2021, 09:56 AM
Where does he pay tax in that set-up?
Jimmy Floyd
12-02-2021, 10:08 AM
He works for, shall we say, a 'large' company which will have offices everywhere, so presumably he still pays income tax in Australia if their branch is paying him, but he rents a flat in London so he'll be paying council tax etc there. It's a bit mental to say the least. Last time I spoke to him he was still waiting for the UK branch to find him a gig here after about 9 months.
Jimmy Floyd
12-02-2021, 04:43 PM
BBC currently trotting out that R is below 1 for the first time since July. How, BBC, did we cut our cases by 80% in the last 5 weeks if R has not been below 1 until now?
I'm not even a mathematician, don't even have A level in it, journalists seem to be completely innumerate, or else they are unwilling to do anything than trot out the government line.
Jimmy Floyd
12-02-2021, 04:47 PM
Oh and here is today's frozen dinners klaxon.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EuCkLLHXUAE9qTp?format=jpg&name=medium
:face:
UNTIL AUTUMN? MOTHER OF FUCKING ICELAND NO.
x
Jimmy Floyd
12-02-2021, 04:54 PM
Would we have thought like this 50 years ago? I think the decline of religion (and the general sanitisation of life in the West) have led to a very unhealthy relationship with death and clearly an unjustified abject terror of it which means people are happy not to live if it means not dying.
Spikey M
12-02-2021, 05:04 PM
Why are we seemingly the only people that would quite like to have lives again?
Yevrah
12-02-2021, 05:19 PM
I mean, why stop at Autumn. This has all been such a blast let's bake it into normal life forever.
Lewis
12-02-2021, 05:19 PM
Would we have thought like this 50 years ago? I think the decline of religion (and the general sanitisation of life in the West) have led to a very unhealthy relationship with death and clearly an unjustified abject terror of it which means people are happy not to live if it means not dying.
A society that has lost its life values will tend to make a religion of death and build up a cult around its worship – a religion not less grateful because it satisfies the mounting number of paranoiacs and sadists such a disrupted society necessarily produces.
The best book quote ever. I should get live/laugh/love-like wall art of it.
Jimmy Floyd
12-02-2021, 05:40 PM
Yes. NHS as the holy temple.
phonics
12-02-2021, 06:28 PM
Oh and here is today's frozen dinners klaxon.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EuCkLLHXUAE9qTp?format=jpg&name=medium
:face:
https://i.imgur.com/MXIA08J.png
Jimmy Floyd
12-02-2021, 06:47 PM
I believe the polling 100%. There's a revelation I've had, and I'm trying to put it into words that aren't too condescending, about the lives of people aged 45+ in this country. 'Frozen dinners' is the best I can do, as Facebook Mums is only the vocal end of it. Go to the supermarket, straight to the frozen section. Breaded chicken cutlets. Yorkshire puddings. Mixed veg. Oven chips, for a treat, on Saturday. Tea bags. Two-finger kit kats. Rich tea biscuits. Snarl at the checkout boy. Ł20 of petrol. Home. Dust the skirting boards. Time for tea. Oh I like that Richard Osman. One Show. Corrie. Make the bed, for the second time today.
If you live that life, lockdown is basically great, because all your ingrained bitterness about whichever groups you hate has drained away in the enjoyment of everyone being brought down to your level.
Add in another 20% of people who are newly WFH, spending time with their kids/pets and loving the layabout life, and you have a majority not being bothered, easily. Heavily age and gender biased too.
Magic
12-02-2021, 06:48 PM
Nobody gives a fuck anymore, bar the mask wearing. Cunts just going about their normal business bar the sycophants and gestapo weirdos. Fuck it all, OTC.
phonics
12-02-2021, 07:00 PM
I’m not referring to this poll specifically but even with your rather in depth personification of Facebook mum that only adds up to 45% not 70.
Have you (when you weren’t doing yougov for cash) or anyone you know ever been anonymously polled? It’s all self selecting melts.
Lewis
12-02-2021, 07:03 PM
I can't condone the frozen food slander, but I think there is something in that. I would use Vote Leave grouping and put a third in the bitter pile happy to see everyone miserable, a third in the satisfied pile happy to toss off in their garden, and then you have the third in the middle covering the various shades of people sick of it.
Jimmy Floyd
12-02-2021, 07:05 PM
I’m not referring to this poll specifically but even with your rather in depth personification of Facebook mum that only adds up to 45% not 70.
Have you (when you weren’t doing yougov for cash) or anyone you know ever been anonymously polled? It’s all self selecting melts.
Their weighting is very good - there will be a 'don't want to be polled by Yougov' weighting that they can't quite get to, but it won't be dramatically out.
phonics
12-02-2021, 07:09 PM
I’m sorry I just don’t believe it. They can’t get public sentiment of who people are voting for (their main job) within 10%. How am I supposed to believe this sort of stuff that can swing massively just based on how the question is phrased.
Are social distancing measures the pubs being closed or standing further back at sainsburys? It’s a shit question, a shit poll and a shit company.
Jimmy Floyd
12-02-2021, 07:10 PM
I'm pretty sure their record is as good as anyone on elections, probably better in recent times.
And that isn't their main job, their main job is to make shedloads of cash through brand perception analysis. The political stuff is just a shop window.
phonics
12-02-2021, 07:11 PM
Being the tallest dwarf is not a win.
phonics
12-02-2021, 07:13 PM
And that isn't their main job, their main job is to make shedloads of cash through brand perception analysis. The political stuff is just a shop window.
And having worked for a Fortune 500 company that hired those kind of people and know that you just get them to agree with what you already want to do or poll until it does. I’m going to take that as further proving my point.
bruhnaldo
12-02-2021, 08:24 PM
You can make data say anything if you try hard enough.
Magic
12-02-2021, 08:36 PM
Phonics boasting that he worked for a fortune 500 company. :harold:
Lewis
13-02-2021, 12:46 AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/12/40-per-cent-first-wave-covid-cases-could-have-caught-hospitals/
Under the most conservative estimate, which only included people infected after at least 15 days in hospital, just 8.8 per cent of infections were found to be "nosocomial", or acquired in hospital, equating to 7,906 people. However, under the least conservative estimates – which included those testing positive within three days of entering hospital or 14 days after discharge – the number rises to 40.5 per cent of hospital infections, a total of 36,152 people... The group estimated that 31.4 per cent of infections in hospitals in the first wave were either caught in hospital or a result of a hospital infection being passed to someone in the community. The estimated 'R' value of coronavirus in hospitals has been estimated to be up to 14 in hospitals.
:o
phonics
13-02-2021, 12:58 AM
Phonics boasting that he worked for a fortune 500 company. :harold:
That you think that’s boasting says more about you than about me.
bruhnaldo
13-02-2021, 01:55 AM
I mean was it really a necessary part of your story
phonics
13-02-2021, 02:04 AM
Who else is hiring those people?
Queenslander
13-02-2021, 02:26 AM
The footage of the crowd at the tennis being kicked out at 11:30 last night is proper Nanny State stuff. One bloke still had half a beer left. :(
bruhnaldo
13-02-2021, 03:15 AM
Why didn’t he just .......... drink it
bruhnaldo
13-02-2021, 03:17 AM
Who else is hiring those people?
Data analytics people??
Queenslander
13-02-2021, 03:21 AM
Why didn’t he just .......... drink it
Get kicked out for skulling :cab:
https://i.ibb.co/WpL3QYj/FB-IMG-1613187964620.jpg (https://ibb.co/Lh3PM2H)
bruhnaldo
13-02-2021, 04:00 AM
You’d get kicked out for finishing your beer you’ve paid for they’re not allowing you to leave with? This is a rule for real?
I’ve never felt more sad
bruhnaldo
13-02-2021, 04:01 AM
I mean that’s two gulps innit
Queenslander
13-02-2021, 04:21 AM
Sorry I was taking the piss out of our very real no skulling rules at live sport.
I definitely broke that rule watching the Socceroos beat the UAE at the old Sydney Football Stadium.
Queenslander
13-02-2021, 04:51 AM
I definitely broke that rule watching the Socceroos beat the UAE at the old Sydney Football Stadium.
It is definitely a newish rule say last 5-10 years.
Spikey M
13-02-2021, 07:20 AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/12/40-per-cent-first-wave-covid-cases-could-have-caught-hospitals/
:o
Harvey Heavar Yevrah will love that.
Spikey M
13-02-2021, 07:43 AM
Protect (us from) the NHS :happycry:
Nipped into the local SM for milk and it was absolutely heaving, even by Saturday standards.
Spikey M
13-02-2021, 11:58 AM
All the geezers that forgot about Valentines Day.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/13/experts-warn-huge-uk-covid-wave-if-restrictions-lifted-too-soon
:happycry:
Yevrah
13-02-2021, 12:33 PM
Harvey Heavar Yevrah will love that.
I mean, I'd got there first when my Gran caught it and I started looking. I don't even think that includes care homes either. It's a bit of a joke really and makes the numbers portray a far more transmissable and deadly virus than it actually is and also makes our lockdowns and other efforts look far less effective than they actually are.
Then I think about the outrage when 45 staff at Wetherspoons caught it over, what, 2 months, across their entire estate - and it just makes me angry. If the R in hospitals is anything like 14 (I mean, FFS), we need two sets of data, one in care environments and one not, with the one not used as the basis for how we make our decisions.
Spikey M
13-02-2021, 12:46 PM
I mean, I'd got there first when my Gran caught it and I started looking. I don't even think that includes care homes either. It's a bit of a joke really and makes the numbers portray a far more transmissable and deadly virus than it actually is and also makes our lockdowns and other efforts look far less effective than they actually are.
Then I think about the outrage when 45 staff at Wetherspoons caught it over, what, 2 months, across their entire estate - and it just makes me angry. If the R in hospitals is anything like 14 (I mean, FFS), we need two sets of data, one in care environments and one not, with the one not used as the basis for how we make our decisions.
From what I can see it doesn't account for care homes and that figures for them can't be far off the hospital ones. It really does make our efforts look largely pointless.
Jimmy Floyd
13-02-2021, 12:51 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/13/experts-warn-huge-uk-covid-wave-if-restrictions-lifted-too-soon
:happycry:
I saw good old Deepti (probably the most dishonest person on Twitter) saying the other day that there would be another 150,000 deaths by July if we lifted any restrictions, or something (she has a proper lob on for keeping schools closed forever, for reasons I can't explain). Then you take one look at the assumptions made in the modelling and it turns out to be complete bollocks, such as assuming 1m vaccines a week (we are currently over 3m) or assuming all restrictions and social distancing lifted at once.
These people are proper charlatans.
Shindig
13-02-2021, 12:53 PM
With the hospital spread, though, it places the importance on keeping folks out of hospital in the first place. Big wave = Big occupancy which is why you really have to have a vaccine good enough to keep the prime candidates from winding up on a ward.
Spikey M
13-02-2021, 12:59 PM
Which is great, but we're now looking at a vast majority of cases coming from within the communities we've spent a year of our lives apparently protecting.
At the very least this points to their PPE being ineffective. Put the cunts in Ebola gear and open the clubs.
Lewis
13-02-2021, 01:02 PM
We could have had less deaths just closing hospitals and letting people die at home/in the street. :gs:
Yevrah
13-02-2021, 01:09 PM
Which is great, but we're now looking at a vast majority of cases coming from within the communities we've spent a year of our lives apparently protecting.
At the very least this points to their PPE being ineffective. Put the cunts in Ebola gear and open the clubs.
I was dating a nurse before the last lockdown started and she had all the Ebola gear. They don't know how it's getting in.
Yevrah
13-02-2021, 01:14 PM
My latest gripe about all this has a perfectly timed article this morning.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56050119
If scientists can't properly explain why we shouldn't be opening up when x% of the population has been vaccinated I don't want to hear from them. I also definitely don't want to hear from them when they're using the argument of 'opening everything up at once' in their assessment, literally no one is suggesting we do that, not even Don.
Jimmy Floyd
13-02-2021, 01:18 PM
The arguments 'scientists' are putting forward are basically writ-large versions of when you go for a checkup at the doctor and he tells you to cut out alcohol, stop eating chips and stop smoking your two cigars a year. Yes, his recommendations are healthier, but also fuck his recommendations.
That's the way doctors think, though - eliminate all risk. You can't involve them in running society.
Spikey M
13-02-2021, 02:54 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-56039285
Home page worthy news, that. Fuck off.
The BBC absolutely love it. They’ll be gutted when we go back to normal.
Disband the BBC immediately.
The state of that littering. Fine the lot of them.
Jimmy Floyd
13-02-2021, 05:19 PM
My mum got the vax today and she's only 63 and has no conditions or anything. Must be rattling through them round 'ere.
Cases at lowest level since early October. Another 2 weeks of this and there will be 2 or 3 times the vaccine effect that there is now. We're on one.
Good news Jim. Means we'll be out of lockdown by Autumn 2022.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-56039285
Home page worthy news, that. Fuck off.
Compare and contrast...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56054975
Yevrah
13-02-2021, 07:17 PM
Back on the WHO being a mouthpiece for China.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-56054468
They didn't even have access to the raw data on the early patients, yet somehow their first communication was not shouting about that, but this:
it was "extremely unlikely" that the virus leaked from a lab in the city of Wuhan.
Trump was absolutely right to remove funding, they are a complete shambles.
Spoonsky
13-02-2021, 07:18 PM
Compare and contrast...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56054975
I hope I'll have a once-every-so-many-years experience at some point in my life.
Jimmy Floyd
13-02-2021, 07:24 PM
It's the most Dutch thing ever that they all have the skating gear and seemingly costumes.
Shindig
13-02-2021, 08:02 PM
Wor Mam and Wor Dad have now been vaccinated.
Spikey M
13-02-2021, 08:07 PM
Compare and contrast...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56054975
Shameless.
They really are an absolute shithouse of an organisation at this point.
niko_cee
13-02-2021, 11:49 PM
Fucking Hell Giggles (https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-irish-tourists-booking-dental-133657389.html)
It has sun, sea, sand and, more importantly it seems, dentists willing to confirm appointments by email.
Irish tourists appear to be getting around the country’s travel ban on holidays by booking dental check-ups on the Spanish island of Tenerife.
Dozens of travellers at Dublin airport have been producing letters to show border officials they are not travelling to the Spanish resort for its famed good weather – but, rather, to have their molars and incisors given a once-over, according to reports.
Such medical appointments are one of the few reasons permitted for overseas journeys under Ireland’s current coronavirus restrictions.
"We are used to Irish people coming for treatment but we thought it strange the number who are asking for written confirmation of their appointment, and then they are not turning up,” one receptionist, Roberta Beccaris of Clinica Dental, told RTE Radio 1.
“Now we understand that it was just an excuse to come here for a holiday.”
She added: “They are taking appointments away from people who need them, who are in pain.”
She spoke out after the immigration officials at Dublin airport reported that up to 40 per cent of travellers to sun destinations were carrying letters for dental appointments.
Many continued their journey even after being warned that, if the check-ups were found to be false or unnecessary, they risked being hit with an on-the-spot fine of up to €2,000.
But, speaking on Friday night, Garda Commissioner Drew Harris said officials are now changing their approach.
“We warn people that they may be prosecuted if they carry on with their journey and we don’t regard a dentist appointment in Tenerife as being reasonable,” he said.
“We say: ‘That is not a reasonable grounds to travel and we are giving direction not to travel – if you continue on your journey, in effect, then you may have committed two different offences which will be dealt with by summons…’
“We have found that people have actually turned back rather than be prosecuted and in effect have a criminal record and risk imprisonment or a suspended sentence which is a far greater penalty than a fixed penalty notice.”
:D
I know the Irish like to chance their arm from time to time but good grief.
hfswjyr
14-02-2021, 07:29 AM
Auckland back in lockdown. There really is no beating this thing.
Spikey M
14-02-2021, 07:31 AM
Our thoughts are with you at this difficult time
Spikey M
14-02-2021, 08:34 AM
Fucking Hell Giggles (https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-irish-tourists-booking-dental-133657389.html)
It has sun, sea, sand and, more importantly it seems, dentists willing to confirm appointments by email.
Irish tourists appear to be getting around the country’s travel ban on holidays by booking dental check-ups on the Spanish island of Tenerife.
Dozens of travellers at Dublin airport have been producing letters to show border officials they are not travelling to the Spanish resort for its famed good weather – but, rather, to have their molars and incisors given a once-over, according to reports.
Such medical appointments are one of the few reasons permitted for overseas journeys under Ireland’s current coronavirus restrictions.
"We are used to Irish people coming for treatment but we thought it strange the number who are asking for written confirmation of their appointment, and then they are not turning up,” one receptionist, Roberta Beccaris of Clinica Dental, told RTE Radio 1.
“Now we understand that it was just an excuse to come here for a holiday.”
She added: “They are taking appointments away from people who need them, who are in pain.”
She spoke out after the immigration officials at Dublin airport reported that up to 40 per cent of travellers to sun destinations were carrying letters for dental appointments.
Many continued their journey even after being warned that, if the check-ups were found to be false or unnecessary, they risked being hit with an on-the-spot fine of up to €2,000.
But, speaking on Friday night, Garda Commissioner Drew Harris said officials are now changing their approach.
“We warn people that they may be prosecuted if they carry on with their journey and we don’t regard a dentist appointment in Tenerife as being reasonable,” he said.
“We say: ‘That is not a reasonable grounds to travel and we are giving direction not to travel – if you continue on your journey, in effect, then you may have committed two different offences which will be dealt with by summons…’
“We have found that people have actually turned back rather than be prosecuted and in effect have a criminal record and risk imprisonment or a suspended sentence which is a far greater penalty than a fixed penalty notice.”
:D
I know the Irish like to chance their arm from time to time but good grief.
Obviously most of them will be taking the piss, but in fairness, expecting people to just live with toothache is one of many ridiculous decisions taken during this mess.
I was actually in Dublin (love a neat link) last time I got toothache. Ended up in the bathroom at 4am, on my knees with my forehead on the floor, fighting the urge to scream.
I would have flown to Australia for a dentist if that's what it took.
Jimmy Floyd
14-02-2021, 08:40 AM
On balance, I think I would rather wear masks in the shops forever than be sent into a 5 day lockdown at zero notice every time there is 1 case.
Spikey M
14-02-2021, 08:42 AM
It will be interesting to see where the Madagascar approach comes unstuck, because this shit isn't going away.
We all know from playing the Pandemic games that once you get Madagascar you're on the way to victory.
Jimmy Floyd
14-02-2021, 08:46 AM
In theory, I don't see why vaccines would affect their 'elimination' policy as it currently stands, unless their politicians made an arbitrary decision to change it (people will still die of CV post vaccine, just in tiny numbers, either through vax refusal or being unlucky).
Then you think that there are scientists here who want to eliminate it and you realise how deranged they are / that they have another agenda.
Jimmy Floyd
14-02-2021, 08:56 AM
On Saturday night a senior Government source confirmed that from March 8, people in England will be allowed to drink coffee on a park bench or have a picnic with anyone from their own household, or with another person on a one-to-one basis.
Cry liberty. I mean ffs.
I’ve stayed away from Twitter in all of this but yesterday I signed up and came across the zero COVID bunch. There’s one woman on there who is adamant we must eliminate the jab and that it can only be done via vaccination. She then predicts, in another tweet, it may take 6 years to vaccinate the entire global population.
Is she suggesting what I think she is suggesting?
niko_cee
14-02-2021, 09:24 AM
It will be interesting to see where the Madagascar approach comes unstuck, because this shit isn't going away.
The Australians and the Kiwis will hold out the longest. The Kiwis because they'll wear it as some sort of weird badge of honour, the Aussies because a good slice of them flat out don't like people arriving in their country through accepted methods of international transportation in the best of times.
Our public health mob are still making the right sort of sounds about managing things with testing etc rather gunning for ZERO COVID again, but it remains to be seen whether they hold to that [in the face of almost guaranteed vocal minority opposition to such a policy].
On balance, I think I would rather wear masks in the shops forever than be sent into a 5 day lockdown at zero notice every time there is 1 case.
I'm actually Pro mask because it means I can hide the majority of my face which is useful if you're nursing a hangover.
Jimmy Floyd
14-02-2021, 10:39 AM
Because it's Sunday morning and I needed something less morbid to distract me from the cricket, I did a calculation of the rate of deaths decline from the peak in this lockdown vs the peak in the first lockdown.
From the deaths peak on 19 Jan up until 7 Feb, my estimate is that around 900 lives have so far been saved relative to what you would have expected using the rate of daily decline from the first lockdown.
There is even more of a stark effect when you consider that until 30 January, the same process estimates that 100 extra lives were lost compared to the first lockdown. So in the 8 days from 30 Jan - 7 Feb, my estimate is that around 1,000 UK lives were somehow saved.
https://i.ibb.co/CwyzDfh/xdead.jpg (https://ibb.co/yNCX7rW)
It'll be interesting to see if this trend continues.
Label your axis and mark your day 0 as the peak of both waves (if that is indeed the case). Given the second peak is greater though, the comparison seems to be grossly unfair if you're simply going off deaths. Change it to a relative proportion to cases/deaths in previous day/week maybe?
Magic
14-02-2021, 10:46 AM
I'm actually Pro mask because it means I can hide the majority of my face which is useful if you're nursing a hangover.
You never show your true face anyway.
Jimmy Floyd
14-02-2021, 10:48 AM
Label your axis and mark your day 0 as the peak of both waves (if that is indeed the case). Given the second peak is greater though, the comparison seems to be grossly unfair if you're simply going off deaths. Change it to a relative proportion to cases/deaths in previous day/week maybe?
I'm not labelling my axes ffs, this is supposed to be an intelligent community. But yes 0 is the peak and x is days after peak.
It shows % of the respective peaks, that seems fair to me?
All school children back from the 8th March. Watch that R rocket again.
Jimmy Floyd
14-02-2021, 11:29 AM
I'm undecided on how much the R will rocket, but at least it shouldn't kill people this time.
I'm selfishly miffed at adults seemingly being sacrificed on the altar of all kids back. Guess it's my fault for not having kids. Just let me meet a mate on the golf course ffs.
I’ve a Nicolas Cage mask so I don’t mind wearing one.
Magic
14-02-2021, 11:56 AM
All school children back from the 8th March. Watch that R rocket again.
Fear of work.
Too right fella, I love this getting paid to lounge around at home all day shiz.
Lewis
14-02-2021, 12:00 PM
lol at the people fretting about a fourth wave once we open back up as if all bets wouldn't be off if it roars back in winter and overwhelms the vaccine[s].
Jimmy Floyd
14-02-2021, 12:06 PM
There are people who are staking their professional reputations on there being a killer fourth wave asap, which must be a very strange way to earn a living.
Magic
14-02-2021, 12:08 PM
There are people who are staking their professional reputations on there being a killer fourth wave asap, which must be a very strange way to earn a living.
And the consequences for being wrong?
Spikey M
14-02-2021, 12:09 PM
The top 4 risk categories must be pretty much done by now. Something would have to go really fucking wrong for things to get as bad as they did this time. You could force people to open all doors with their mouths and I still don't think we'd manage 1000 deaths a day from here.
Jimmy Floyd
14-02-2021, 12:30 PM
And the consequences for being wrong?
Nothing, which is probably why they're doing it. Worth a long odds doom punt just in case you end up looking like a genius and get to go on zoom calls with glamorous names like Fauci and Dr Ted Ross by autumn.
Spikey M
14-02-2021, 12:37 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56058744
He said the R-rate was between 0.7 and 1 and, as of Friday, the seven-day totals for admissions, cases and fatalities were down by between a fifth and a quarter respectively.
But developments needed to be monitored "in real time", making it difficult to give guarantees or be precise about an end of April or beginning of May date for easing, he said.
:harold:
Jimmy Floyd
14-02-2021, 01:06 PM
The problem with CRG (who seem to have morphed seamlessly from 'researching' Europe to 'researching' Covid) is they want a set end date for ALL restrictions, which is batty and counter-productive. Such a dogshit argument gets in the way of the real question which is why does the government seem to be setting out a far slower pace of loosening restrictions than it had last year when we didn't have vaccines.
Yevrah
14-02-2021, 01:07 PM
Thank fuck we're bringing real time into the equation, if only we'd done that earlier, I can sleep (work and have fun on my own) easy now.
The end of April is 10 weeks away. Ten weeks. 10 fucking weeks. :sick:
Yevrah
14-02-2021, 01:09 PM
Jim - If you don't factor in the impact from further vaccines how many cases/deaths will we have a day by then based on the current trajectory?
90% of them will no doubt be care environment caused, but I'd be curious to know.
Yevrah
14-02-2021, 01:13 PM
626 cases and under 100 deaths a day is where we were on that glorious 4th July last year.
Jimmy Floyd
14-02-2021, 01:17 PM
Jim - If you don't factor in the impact from further vaccines how many cases/deaths will we have a day by then based on the current trajectory?
90% of them will no doubt be care environment caused, but I'd be curious to know.
My best conservative estimate at the moment: between 600-1200 cases, and between 15-30 deaths per day at 30 April.
This does not take into account either vaccine effect, or the possible effects of loosening restrictions (e.g. opening schools) between now and then.
Case data from last year is questionable as our testing wasn't great until the autumn, but deaths data is pretty unquestionable.
Yevrah
14-02-2021, 01:25 PM
Given they don't know for certain what will happen when the schools reopen properly maybe that's where the current caution comes from. Add in the vaccine impact and pubs/restaurants will probably be the start of May.
Oh well, 10 weeks.
Jimmy Floyd
14-02-2021, 01:29 PM
That's my best guess for hospitality too. I'm probably just being selfish as I don't have kids and likely never will, so have no personal investment in schools opening asap, but I don't know why on the altar of this I will be restricted to being able to sit on a park bench or have a picnic with my (non-existent) household until the end of March, which is 6 weeks away.
Shindig
14-02-2021, 01:34 PM
I still don't know if we're getting much of a vaccine effect. Cases are falling at the same rate across the board and the Israel numbers are due to the over 60s having two shots. Maybe there's a tipping point but we might not see any effect until lockdown is eased.
Magic
14-02-2021, 01:37 PM
Nothing, which is probably why they're doing it. Worth a long odds doom punt just in case you end up looking like a genius and get to go on zoom calls with glamorous names like Fauci and Dr Ted Ross by autumn.
Exactly, imagine if we had such freedom from mistakes in our roles.
Jimmy Floyd
14-02-2021, 01:45 PM
I still don't know if we're getting much of a vaccine effect. Cases are falling at the same rate across the board and the Israel numbers are due to the over 60s having two shots. Maybe there's a tipping point but we might not see any effect until lockdown is eased.
We are. Just watch.
Yevrah
14-02-2021, 01:47 PM
I only skim read it but presumably those unlabelled graphs were suggesting we've already 1,000 fewer deaths due to it.
Jimmy Floyd
14-02-2021, 01:48 PM
We have 1,000 fewer deaths due to something. What, who could possibly say.
1,000 fewer deaths than first wave assuming the two should mirror each other though which seems a strange assumption to make given the differences. I'm really not happy with this, less xDead and more "Least lives saved in the opponent's half".
Jimmy Floyd
14-02-2021, 02:01 PM
Why should the two not mirror each other in shape? It's the same country and the same measurement, the only differences would be time of year, restrictions in place, and new variant, all of which should in theory mean a sharper fall in Lockdown 1 than in Lockdown 3 (though I've assumed they don't mean that).
Well like you say there are a shit ton of variables that might not justify a mirror image. Scientific reporting isn’t as easy as drawing up a graph and making a conclusion on it.
As above. The most significant variable of concern being I was under the impression mortality rate of the virus had significantly reduced due to improved treatments too.
Jimmy Floyd
14-02-2021, 02:26 PM
As above. The most significant variable of concern being I was under the impression mortality rate of the virus had significantly reduced due to improved treatments too.
That would be a good possible explanation, if the improved treatments had kicked in from the last 7 days.
7 consecutive days with separation of the two lines and a huge bump in the second graph is significant imo. Significant of what, who could say.
In any case, there are much smarter people than me on twitter doing age breakdown analysis and, yeah.
Spikey M
14-02-2021, 02:43 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56062976
Vaccine moving on to the over 65's from tomorrow.
Thank fuck we're bringing real time into the equation, if only we'd done that earlier, I can sleep (work and have fun on my own) easy now.
The end of April is 10 weeks away. Ten weeks. 10 fucking weeks. :sick:
Yeah this can fuck off. Go to tiers from March and then ease down for the summer. This has to soften up - winter is done.
Jimmy Floyd
15-02-2021, 09:20 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2021/feb/14/brexit-britain-eu-covid-vaccination-fiasco
God this cheered me right up. A cracking start to the week.
Shindig
15-02-2021, 09:25 AM
"The EU are doing better even though they are also doing the same thing about delaying the second dose."
Well, that showed us.
So 19% vs 1.5% on first doses is nothing to get excited about. But France’s 0.92% vs our 0.8% on second doses is why he’s telling us the EU have actually done great?
One of the most pathetic articles I’ve seen on The Guardian. How can he physically type out the words “delivering a better outcome than the UK”. Is he deranged?
Yevrah
15-02-2021, 09:51 AM
Never have I seen a bigger piece of pro-EU propaganda than that.
It's quite incredible. His numbers look accurate, his facts are accurate, but he's linked both together with words that try to portray a completely different picture.
niko_cee
15-02-2021, 10:46 AM
It's called teleological reasoning. It is, quite literally, the operating policy in all aspects of EU matters. When trying to explain or interpret something, start where you want to end up, and work backwards.
randomlegend
15-02-2021, 02:01 PM
We're starting again on second doses from the 23rd anyway, at which point I imagine we'll steam ahead of Europe on that front too.
I have to admit though there has been one point of absolute shambles since multiple vaccination centres opened up (at least in this region). There is no central booking system so the various centres are ringing round the people who don't have an appointment with them but with no way of knowing if they have an appointment elsewhere. This is obviously a massive waste of time and is making it difficult to find the patients who actually need an appointment.
The army's fault I suspect.
My parents had the Pfizer around 6 weeks ago.
i) Will their second jab definitely be Pfizer or is it pot luck?
ii) Is there a defined timeframe for the second jab to be administered in or is it pot luck?
My parents had the Pfizer around 6 weeks ago.
i) Will their second jab definitely be Pfizer or is it pot luck?
ii) Is there a defined timeframe for the second jab to be administered in or is it pot luck?
i) Studeies are being done looking at mixing different vaccines for the first and second dose but their resuts will be a while yet, I'd imagine. So they should get a second Pfizer.
ii) I think they are saying up to 12 weeks, at the moment. It'll probably come down to the supplies we have available.
Jimmy Floyd
15-02-2021, 03:12 PM
Talk seems to be a bit of a supply dip in the rest of Feb but then a surge in March. I'd put my money on first half of April for Mr and Mrs Don.
Spikey M
15-02-2021, 03:27 PM
My holiday in May has now been confirmed as cancelled. A tantrum is currently in progress.
Sir Andy Mahowry
15-02-2021, 03:44 PM
I was able to book my second jab as soon as I had booked my first.
Website said to leave 10-12 weeks so I went for the 12th week.
Jimmy Floyd
15-02-2021, 04:16 PM
Today is the first sub-10k cases day since September. Deaths and hospitalisations crashing too.
Coward virus on the run.
Spikey M
15-02-2021, 05:05 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56070698
This is a proper racket. :happycry:
However:
"We did 12 days in a five-bedroom house over Christmas when we were in quarantine and that was pretty horrific."
:lol:
Tripple the price Bozza.
niko_cee
15-02-2021, 05:08 PM
"We did 12 days in a five-bedroom house over Christmas when we were in quarantine and that was pretty horrific."
Alright love, all complaints rendered null and void.
Aren't the UAE vaccinating like mad though? Surprised they'd be on any sort of travel ban list, well, sort of.
Spikey M
15-02-2021, 05:09 PM
Donned by the edit.
niko_cee
15-02-2021, 05:13 PM
Think I've done a month's worth of full-on isolating with the family since last August, which, when you step back and think about it, is quite a large proportion of that time period.
Lewis
15-02-2021, 05:26 PM
What a twatty question that is. The media is fucking itching to find somebody who dies after vaccination. They probably have a stash of stories ready to go for shops opening.
Jimmy Floyd
15-02-2021, 05:44 PM
The media as it exists has probably had the biggest failure of any institution in this last year or so. They have the wrong people asking the wrong questions, constantly.
Jimmy Floyd
15-02-2021, 07:20 PM
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I'm sorry but this stuff is absolutely deranged.
Shindig
15-02-2021, 07:22 PM
A letter from your GP would do it.
Magic
15-02-2021, 07:26 PM
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I'm sorry but this stuff is absolutely deranged.
Watch it become written in to law. The general public will be so fed up by the end of April they'll be begging for this just to get some 'freedom' back.
It's perfect.
Jimmy Floyd
15-02-2021, 07:29 PM
I don't know why they're even discussing it, unless they are now completely given over to government by kite-flying. They seem to be in a bizarre bind between 'never open up again' doctor loonies on one side, and OPEN EVERYTHING NOW types on the other. Just plot a path between them, you numpties, and gradually open up, just like you did last year.
Spikey M
15-02-2021, 07:30 PM
If they start letting the vaccinated mob crack on and try to keep the rest of us out like lepers I will never follow a single one of their rules again.
Magic
15-02-2021, 07:31 PM
If they start letting the vaccinated mob crack on and try to keep the rest of us out like lepers I will never follow a single one of their rules again.
Lol when you're still shame isolating in August.
I don't know why they're even discussing it, unless they are now completely given over to government by kite-flying. They seem to be in a bizarre bind between 'never open up again' doctor loonies on one side, and OPEN EVERYTHING NOW types on the other. Just plot a path between them, you numpties, and gradually open up, just like you did last year.
Have you only just noticed the kite flying thing?
They're a menace of a government.
niko_cee
15-02-2021, 09:03 PM
Government by leaked policy has been going on for what seems like years, it must predate covid, probably most of us as well.
Spikey M
15-02-2021, 09:08 PM
Is this pretty much what a Nick Clegg government would have been? Except each decision would have involved an official superspreading vote to be arrived at?
Yevrah
15-02-2021, 09:12 PM
If they start letting the vaccinated mob crack on and try to keep the rest of us out like lepers I will never follow a single one of their rules again.
It's absolutely going to play out this way. 'We've' spent a year of our lives indoors and those that have been vaccinated (whether they've done the same or not) will be the ones going on holiday and generally enjoying life again first.
Not that I'm suggesting there's another way, but that's exactly how it will go from here.
Spikey M
15-02-2021, 09:23 PM
It's absolutely going to play out this way. 'We've' spent a year of our lives indoors and those that have been vaccinated (whether they've done the same or not) will be the ones going on holiday and generally enjoying life again first.
Not that I'm suggesting there's another way, but that's exactly how it will go from here.
They may think it will, but it won't. There is no way In a million years they are going to get away with sending Team Furlough back to work in the pubs, restaurants, hairdressers and Bingo Halls so Deirdre and Brenda can have a day out and a blue rinse. Only to tell Freddie and Jess that they need to return home immediately after their shift because it's too dangerous for them to go for a drink.
The riots would make Black Lives Matter look like a mild debate and rightfully so.
The correct way out of this is slowly and carefully ala Jimmy's post.
Shindig
15-02-2021, 09:32 PM
They'll get the numbers down as low as they can, send the kids back and then wean society back into existence.
Yevrah
15-02-2021, 09:36 PM
They may think it will, but it won't. There is no way In a million years they are going to get away with sending Team Furlough back to work in the pubs, restaurants, hairdressers and Bingo Halls so Deirdre and Brenda can have a day out and a blue rinse. Only to tell Freddie and Jess that they need to return home immediately after their shift because it's too dangerous for them to go for a drink.
The riots would make Black Lives Matter look like a mild debate and rightfully so.
The correct way out of this is slowly and carefully ala Jimmy's post.
You honestly think you'll be going abroad (without a monumental amount of hassle) before Deirdre can?
Spikey M
15-02-2021, 09:37 PM
You honestly think you'll be going abroad (without a monumental amount of hassle) before Deirdre can?
I don't think anyone will be going on a holiday this year.
Boydy
15-02-2021, 09:45 PM
They'll let the vaccinated boomers go abroad.
Jimmy Floyd
15-02-2021, 09:47 PM
Yev's right - the boomers have rinsed us for everything we've got all their lives, they're not going to stop now.
Edit: snap on the issue where Boydy and I live in peaceful harmony.
Spikey M
15-02-2021, 09:48 PM
If they're as worried about variants as they claim to be then I seriously doubt that, but whatever, mine is cancelled already so I'm not massively fussed about that. It's this 'theatre and nightclub' mutterings I'm talking about.
Shindig
15-02-2021, 09:49 PM
Let them go abroad on their P&O plague boats.
I think holidays are going to happen but it'll be such a hastle that most won't bother. Plus it'll be to places with people and venue restrictions sucking all fun out of it. Portuguese PM said he hopes the beaches will be open in the summer so surely they can't deprive the masses of surf and sand?
Shindig
15-02-2021, 10:02 PM
Aye, that's the thing that puts me off. You can wind up in a destination that's shuttered or stuffed in a hotel quarantine for the duration of your stay. Paying for the privilege, too.
Lewis
15-02-2021, 10:12 PM
Yev's right - the boomers have rinsed us for everything we've got all their lives, they're not going to stop now.
Edit: snap on the issue where Boydy and I live in peaceful harmony.
'...and that is why our plan to introduce a one-off "Pensioner Bonus" of ten thousand pounds, to be paid for by a doubling of National Insurance contributions, is fair as well as...'
Jimmy Floyd
15-02-2021, 10:38 PM
I'm convinced that within 15 years they'll manage to bring in some sort of inheritance tax that sends all the moolah to the pearly gates.
Lewis
15-02-2021, 11:47 PM
Increasing the inheritance tax threshold as a progressive, redistributive measure.
https://i.imgur.com/1sPSJrU.jpg
'Mr Speaker the coalition government wants to see wealth trickle down the generations...'
*backbenches marking out*
Lads, they're gonna die soon, we got bigger fish to fry...
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The fucking set of ovaries on that whore :D
Spikey M
16-02-2021, 07:48 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56078511
So many questions.
Jimmy Floyd
16-02-2021, 08:33 AM
As always, buy-to-let landlords are the real victims in all this.
Raoul Duke
16-02-2021, 12:02 PM
Some Dutch court has decided that a curfew is illegal as "it's not like sticking your finger in a a dyke". Mate, come on
Jimmy Floyd
16-02-2021, 12:07 PM
I give up. Ban all frozen food
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Magic
16-02-2021, 12:46 PM
Told you.
Yevrah
16-02-2021, 12:56 PM
Ditto.
It's going to happen and just reiterates one of society's great failings - if you play by the rules (as I have for most of my life, if not all) you get screwed.
niko_cee
16-02-2021, 01:41 PM
Youngest daughter (4) has been lethargic today, started coughing, and now has a temperature, a rash/swelling and is struggling somewhat to breathe, so here we go.
I think if she has covid (having basically not left the house for 3 weeks) then we might have to give up with the whole lockdown thing and just accept the cold embrace of whatever infinitesimally small risk of death there is.
In all likelihood it's probably some sort of allergic reaction to christ knows what.
Lewis
16-02-2021, 01:43 PM
Manky week-old curry.
Spikey M
16-02-2021, 01:49 PM
:D
Lewis
16-02-2021, 01:56 PM
The worst pub in town has fixed (not painted) this (https://imgur.com/MvAMI5Z) to the wall. As far as I'm aware he never drank in there, so I might complain to the council.
Magic
16-02-2021, 01:56 PM
All those kids with compromised immune systems now due to being kept cruelly in the house by paranoid parents.
Spikey M
16-02-2021, 02:05 PM
All those kids with compromised immune systems now due to being kept cruelly in the house by paranoid parents.
Forget that. Atleast there's some grounds for the concern. Our neighbour has been homeschooling the kids since September. Not out of civic duty or to protect someone in the household but because she is legitimately worried about the kids catching it and dying.
She didn't do the same when there was a measles outbreak in town a couple of years back, mind, so you could be excused for mistaking her for a retard.
Jimmy Floyd
16-02-2021, 02:09 PM
News coming out now that Nervtag (which always sounds gloriously Soviet to me) will be using an ALGORITHM to prioritise the vaccination order in the under 65s, so I guess it's good to know that Bradley Wiggins and the Liverpool squad will be jabbed up nice and early.
niko_cee
16-02-2021, 02:16 PM
Manky week-old curry.
:D
It probably would have hospitalised her if she'd had any.
Spikey M
16-02-2021, 02:18 PM
News coming out now that Nervtag (which always sounds gloriously Soviet to me) will be using an ALGORITHM to prioritise the vaccination order in the under 65s, so I guess it's good to know that Bradley Wiggins and the Liverpool squad will be jabbed up nice and early.
I would actually be on board with this and it would atleast make vaccine passports a bit fairer than just "lol you're 20 see you in 5 years".
Edit: assuming the "algorithm" isn't just an Excel spreadsheet filtered by age, that is. Which it will be.
niko_cee
16-02-2021, 02:22 PM
Seems we only have another 16,384 people to vaccinate and then we're done . . .
Spikey M
16-02-2021, 02:23 PM
"Why does everyone's surname start with an A?"
Magic
16-02-2021, 02:25 PM
Loving these FLARED TEMPERS at vaccination centres. :D
Jimmy Floyd
16-02-2021, 02:25 PM
I was going to say, the Aardvark brothers will be shocked when all nine of them are called up at 8.00am on the first day.
Meanwhile in Zero Covid Australia:
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Spikey M
16-02-2021, 02:30 PM
Loving these FLARED TEMPERS at vaccination centres. :D
Confirmation that we have indeed began working on people in their 60's.
Spikey M
16-02-2021, 02:30 PM
Meanwhile in Zero Covid Australia:
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
Yevrah
16-02-2021, 02:35 PM
Presumably the garbage bag could be requested by the wearer to preserve anonymity.
Spikey M
16-02-2021, 02:36 PM
I can think of a few alternatives.
Lewis
16-02-2021, 02:51 PM
Meanwhile, all of our hotel quarantine coverage is about how unfair it is to the people quarantined.
Yevrah
16-02-2021, 02:58 PM
Meanwhile, all of our hotel quarantine coverage is about how unfair it is to the people quarantined.
I clocked this last night with the article upthread. Surely 10 day stays in hotels is in keeping with the Beeb's STAY AT HOME AND SHUT IT DOWN NOW rhetoric, so is good, right? Or do they not know where to turn as forrins are involved and their wellbeing beats COVID prevention in the most depressing game of Top Trumps you're ever likely to play?
Jimmy Floyd
16-02-2021, 03:07 PM
Everyone has completely reversed their previous open/closed borders opinions in the last six months, because reasons, so trying to rationalise hotel quarantine is well beyond them.
Magic
16-02-2021, 03:12 PM
Turdgeon saying no changes until well in to march, the hideous cunt.
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