Coronavirus Death Thread

[Jimmy Floyd]

I literally spent three paragraphs bemoaning the fact that they were choosing not to feed destitute children. If you're too thick to understand that then it isn't my problem.

[Don]

It'd cost less than a fiver a week to feed a kid. Both sides of the debate need to calm their passions. We got serious problems like clubs not being open at the minute.

[randomlegend]

I literally spent three paragraphs bemoaning the fact that they were choosing not to feed destitute children. If you're too thick to understand that then it isn't my problem.


this has popped up with a strong media figure and therefore a large chunk of public opinion on their side, and it isn't that expensive, so as a government you have to be politically savvy enough to just pay for the meals, get it off the table and move on.

When it comes down to it all you bemoaned is why the Tories are too stupid to see that politically it's what they should do.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Yeah, because my post was about the government's political incompetence, not their moral outlook. I would take it as a given that a Tory government isn't going to want to do handouts in most cases. What I think is neither here nor there (as it happens, I would probably agree with Marcus on most points).

[randomlegend]

Yeah, because my post was about the government's political incompetence, not their moral outlook.

But that's all your posts are ever about. The fact you only ever talk about the politics and never the morality very much makes it come across like you don't actually care about anything but your team winning the game.

[Magic]

But that's all your posts are ever about. The fact you only ever talk about the politics and never the morality very much makes it come across like you don't actually care about anything but your team winning the game.

But that's all your posts are ever about. The fact you only ever talk about the and science never the morality very much makes it come across like you don't actually care about anything but your team winning the game.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If by 'my team winning the game' you mean 'the government functioning to good effect' then yes, you're right - I'll leave the morality to vicars and people who are self-important enough to think their bullshit opinions matter. Treating politics as a moral crusade is how people like Jeremy Corbyn end up accomplishing precisely nothing in a 40-year career, and is also, in fact, how Boris and Cummings end up not seeing past the end of their noses in situations like this.

[randomlegend]

If by 'my team winning the game' you mean 'the government functioning to good effect' then yes, you're right

I mean the Tories winning.


- I'll leave the morality to vicars and people who are self-important enough to think their bullshit opinions matter. .

Lol at this. So your bullshit political opinions are worthy for all to hear, but anyone who has an opinion based in morality should shut the fuck up?

[randomlegend]

But that's all your posts are ever about. The fact you only ever talk about the and science never the morality very much makes it come across like you don't actually care about anything but your team winning the game.

Don't even know where to start with this.

[John Arne]

Lads, CORONAVIRUS.... Please.

[Spikey M]

I love RL's vendetta against Jimmy. I knew someone that didn't like David Attenborough once and this is the closest I've been to that since.

[mugbull]

Governance is inextricably linked to morality, always. It’s just that the morality of conservatives is all about freedom from interference and protection of property. And the morality of “picking yourself up by your bootstraps”

[randomlegend]

I guess Rashford needs to get himself ordained so the Jimmy's will take notice of his self-important bullshit.

[Dave.]

Even Nigel Farage has criticised the government's stance on free school meals.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I mean the Tories winning.

I couldn't give a fuck about the Tories winning. Versus Corbyn, yes, but now the opposition is a pragmatic one I'd be relaxed about either 'team' governing. I like my country and I want its government to be successful or at least not be fucking useless and drive itself into self-defeating pits like this one has done on this issue.


Lol at this. So your bullshit political opinions are worthy for all to hear, but anyone who has an opinion based in morality should shut the fuck up?

I don't think my political opinions matter. I just find it somewhat interesting/enjoyable to articulate them on this board sometimes. Other posters are free to ignore them, not read them, agree or disagree with them as they see fit. Instead of any of those options you seem to be taking the bizarre position that instead of posting about what I find it interesting/enjoyable to post about, I should be posting about something completely different.

[Baz]

A letters gone out to all schools round here reminding everyone that we’re under TIER 3 LOCKDOWN MATE and asking parents and kids to behave themselves during half term, including:


With Halloween approaching participation in the traditional ‘Trick or Treating’ is being discouraged to prevent further spread of Covid-19. Parents are advised that Trick or Treating carries an increased risk of infection by its nature, with significant and unnecessary social mixing between many different households.

Discouraged?! Come on, surely that should have been outright banned under this so called lockdown.

If any snotty-nosed kid knocks on my door asking for sweets, I’ll [ask my wife to] tell their dads to get the fuck off my property.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I guess Rashford needs to get himself ordained so the Jimmy's will take notice of his self-important bullshit.

What you'll notice if you read any of Rashford's utterances is that they are completely free of bullshit opinions - there's no 'should', in there, just 'must'. For him it's a pure results business, food in mouths = win, but the government doesn't get that, because it's drowning in the surrounding unnecessary bullshit and ideology.

[randomlegend]

I'm just disagreeing with you in a way you don't like.

[randomlegend]

What you'll notice if you read any of Rashford's utterances is that they are completely free of bullshit opinions - there's no 'should', in there, just 'must'. For him it's a pure results business, food in mouths = win, but the government doesn't get that, because it's drowning in the surrounding unnecessary bullshit.

:lol:

Gold medal for mental gymnastics.

[randomlegend]

A letters gone out to all schools round here reminding everyone that we’re under TIER 3 LOCKDOWN MATE and asking parents and kids to behave themselves during half term, including:

Discouraged?! Come on, surely that should have been outright banned under this so called lockdown.

If any snotty-nosed kid knocks on my door asking for sweets, I’ll [ask my wife to] tell their dads to get the fuck off my property.

Schools have also just received notice that the government won't be reimbursing them for covid-associated extra costs they've been forced to incur (buying hand-washing stations etc), despite promising that they would be.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm just disagreeing with you in a way you don't like.

You are always the one who introduces the animosity. Always.

[randomlegend]

Yeah well, it's grating seeing someone constantly reduce important things like child food poverty to nothing more than political point-scoring exercises, especially when it's things I directly work with the consequences of.

[Kikó]

Mate you fold babies for a laugh. You're one to bemoan others.

[randomlegend]

Let the record please state I thoroughly do not enjoy folding babies and will only do so when truly necessary :dc:

[Don]

You can tell the winter lockdown is properly getting to people when you look at this page.

[Spikey M]

But that's all your posts are ever about. The fact you only ever talk about the and science never the morality very much makes it come across like you don't actually care about anything but your team winning the game.

But that's all your posts are ever about. The fact you only ever talk about pissing yourself in airports and never the morality very much makes it come across like you don't actually care about anything but your team pissing themselves in airports.

[Baz]

Schools have also just received notice that the government won't be reimbursing them for covid-associated extra costs they've been forced to incur (buying hand-washing stations etc), despite promising that they would be.We’ve already paid them. :stamford:

[Lewis]

My 'child benefit' idea would be clever politics and good administration. Owing to it being child rather than school-centred, it would also cover things away from school hours such as basic parenting.

[Spikey M]

I've spent the last 8 years working with low income families in one form orr another. Food poverty is far from a new thing. The amount of laughable Income and Expenditure forms I've seen is beyond estimation.

The problem is it's a 50/50 split between people who just don't have enough money to get by and people who just don't know how to prioritise. That's why Free School Dinners will always be the easiest way to deal with this. There is a scarily large number of people that would rather live off tinned Ravioli and Crispy Pancakes than give up their Sky subscription.

[Jimmy Floyd]

My 'child benefit' idea would be clever politics and good administration. Owing to it being child rather than school-centred, it would also cover things away from school hours such as basic parenting.

I know but when it comes to being fed I don't think it's unreasonable for the state to prop kids up against the chances of their parents not being able to allocate those resources properly.

[Ian]

There is a scarily large number of people that would rather live off tinned Ravioli and Crispy Pancakes than give up their Sky subscription.

Woah woah woah, this thread has had enough conflict. Let's not bring crispy pancakes into this.

[Spikey M]

I've plenty of time for a Crispy Pancake and Cheese Hamwich every now and then, but when they're the corner stone of your diet, you're heading for a generation of 4' 3", malnourished, diabetic, manlets.

[SvN]

I wonder if the local shop has crispy pancakes. That would be a brilliant lunch.

[Spikey M]

I think the last time I saw them was in Iceland about 3 years ago. A victim of the Horsemeat Scandal.

[Ian]

My mum used to do homemade ones sometimes. I looked into it but decided it was more effort than it was worth. Dunno when I last had them.

[Offshore Toon]

You can tell the winter lockdown is properly getting to people when you look at this page.
I was thinking this too.

Also, Spikey, Attenborough is mostly shit. His only saving grace is the activism where he does well, but him slowly dying to animals fighting in 4K is washed.

[Spikey M]

I was thinking this too.

Also, Spikey, Attenborough is mostly shit. His only saving grace is the activism where he does well, but him slowly dying to animals fighting in 4K is washed.

I've never been more disappointed with a person in my life.

[Lewis]

I know but when it comes to being fed I don't think it's unreasonable for the state to prop kids up against the chances of their parents not being able to allocate those resources properly.

And schools should be 24/7 in case they can't supervise their homework properly.

[Lewis]

As for his tweets, my guess would be a woman is writing them. They read like a whiny female activist trying not to write like a whiny female activist.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Has anyone done forensic analysis of his post-match interview speaking lexicon to check? If not then Dom, if you're reading this, get on it, you could get a week's Twitter whines out of that angle.

[Yevrah]

I'd agree that I doubt he's writing them, but that he has the sense not to if that is indeed the case just makes me think he's even more of a gent.

[Don]

More financial fucking giveaways. The levels lost to fraud :sick:

[Don]

Why are all the articles and even the midget himself on the briefing name-dropping Franco Manca as the location of his roundtable and more importantly, why tf is a roundtable happening at Franco Fucking Manca? Properly dodgy backhander.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It was worth it for this line in the story I read:


London is in tier 2 coronavirus lockdown, meaning no one should meet people outside their household or support bubble while indoors. Sunak and Jenrick do not live with each other, or with the business leaders they met.

[Kikó]

I'm sure they will be fined.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Boris holding steady against the circuit breaker is about the first bit of proper leadership he's shown in the whole crisis, especially with Hancock and Gove apparently crying for one every day. Let's hope it lasts another 3 days or so.

[Spikey M]

It was worth it for this line in the story I read:

I work with a lady like that. She's constantly complaining about people 'breaking the rules' during our pointless Skype meetings and immediately retreats to 'the rules are too complicated!' when it turns out that they weren't breaking the rules. Christ I'd like to hit her with something blunt and heavy.

[Don]

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54634721

Gwan Dr. Raghib Ali but what I don't understand is who chooses to air this cunt's grievances and run BBC headlines off it for the entire day to millions yet, airing one of the Great Barrington Declaration doctors' views is unnacceptable. Who yields that mighty sword and what is their agenda?

[Waffdon]

St Mirren have had another four positive cases. They’ve had about triple the amount of positive cases as they’ve had points in the last few months.

[Yevrah]

Is it me or does this fundamentally miss the point of a good test and trace system:


At Wednesday's coronavirus briefing he said "I share people's frustrations" at the turnaround times for results.

The government's chief scientific adviser, Sir Patrick Vallance, said it was "very clear there's room for improvement" in the system.

It comes as figures showed just 15.1% of people who were tested received their result within 24 hours.

The figures for the week ending 14 October are down from 32.8% in the previous week.

It is the lowest weekly percentage since NHS Test and Trace began.

Mr Johnson previously pledged that all tests would be processed within 24 hours - unless there were issues with postal tests - by the end of June.

The figures also show a drop to 59.6% in the proportion of close contacts reached of people who tested positive.

This is also the lowest weekly percentage since the system began and is down from 63% in the previous week.

Speaking at a coronavirus press conference at Downing Street, Mr Johnson said: "I share people's frustrations and I understand totally why we do need to see faster turnaround times and we need to improve it.

"We need to make sure that people who do get a positive test self-isolate - that's absolutely crucial if this thing is going to work in the way that it can."

Speedy results is one thing, but surely that should be part of a wider plan of how you use those results to understand properly how it spreads and therefore mitigate against that spread.

I may only be Yevrah, but they could do worse than giving me a job on this ship really.

[Ian]

It's a bit unreasonable of you to expect them to have thought about this beyond the "world class" soundbite, Yev.

[Raoul Duke]

Is it me or does this fundamentally miss the point of a good test and trace system:



Speedy results is one thing, but surely that should be part of a wider plan of how you use those results to understand properly how it spreads and therefore mitigate against that spread.

I may only be Yevrah, but they could do worse than giving me a job on this ship really.

It's a classic case of measuring output and not outcomes

[Yevrah]

It's why I also questioned the army handing out tests in Birmingham. If there's no wider plan then there's little point.

[Shindig]

They have outbreak information at their disposal as well. The weekly flu / respiratory reports from PHE (or whatever they're called now) detail origins of outbreaks. It's like they've gone beyond track and trace and now would prefer to see one number go so high as to diminish all others by comparison.

[Lewis]

Has anyone done forensic analysis of his post-match interview speaking lexicon to check? If not then Dom, if you're reading this, get on it, you could get a week's Twitter whines out of that angle.

The language has suddenly become overly-dramatic and preachy, which makes me picture a middle class white woman (or crack team of middle class white women) with self-diagnosed mental health issues despatched by the Joseph Rowntree Foundation.

[Lofty]

There are always going to be people who argue that those who have children should look after them and those that argue society has a duty of care for children who aren't provided for, regardless of the reason. I think it would be wise to consider, regardless of political stripe, that leaving kids to fend for themselves if their parents are feckless is likely to have negative consequences for society in general further down the line. It is probably easy to quantify the costs to other services as a knock on effect which might be easier for the government to swallow.

In the grand scheme of things though when we have been spunking vast fortunes on absolute bollocks recently it should have been an easy win for them, but I agree with Jimmy they're all too insulated with their own bullshit.

[Magic]

Florida deaths since OPENING THE CLUBS are down. :harold:

[Lewis]

Unusual for Florida.

[Don]

Don't fucking just post that without a good read to back it up and lead me to desperately scowering the web for evidence ffs.

[Boydy]

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Interesting thread.

[Spikey M]

Yeah... that doesn't look good at all. Potentially 6 weeks from ~600 deaths per day. Sheeeeeit.

[Don]

In case anyone else doesn't fancy having to consume their info through eye-bleeding twitter threads, the tl;dr of it is set out below:

Intersectional feminist says we need a lockdown and better track and trace to prevent deaths.

Interspersed with some incorrect assumptions but I covered that with intersectional feminist hopefully.

[Yevrah]

She makes good points on the lack of a strategy beyond periodic 'hide & seek'.

[Yevrah]

But she's clueless if she thinks a two week lockdown ("circuit breaker" can fuck off) will buy the time to sort all that shit out.

At this stage our entire long term strategy is based around how quickly lab boffins can complete their outstanding efforts.

[Kikó]

Someone made the fair point on twitter than surely Level 0 is back to pre-Covid normality?

[Magic]

Yeah... that doesn't look good at all. Potentially 6 weeks from ~600 deaths per day. Sheeeeeit.

How can we understand these figures when they are still counting people who died from other shit but tested positive as a death?

[Spikey M]

How can we understand these figures when they are still counting people who died from other shit but tested positive as a death?

This conversation was retarded the first time, round 4 is a hard pass.

[randomlegend]

I can't remember whether I've already posted this and I'm on my phone so cba to check, but the occupational health lady who gave me my flu jab the other day said that they are being geared up behind the scenes to start a vaccination campaign from January.

How much you can read into that regarding how confident they are a vaccine will actually be available by then I don't really know.

[Pepe]

/itk

[Magic]

This conversation was retarded the first time, round 4 is a hard pass.

Agreed, so we're settled on hardly any deaths. :eyemouth:

[Spikey M]

I can't remember whether I've already posted this and I'm on my phone so cba to check, but the occupational health lady who gave me my flu jab the other day said that they are being geared up behind the scenes to start a vaccination campaign from January.

How much you can read into that regarding how confident they are a vaccine will actually be available by then I don't really know.

If it ain't from Reddit we don't want to know LAD.

Positive news coming out about the vaccine today (yesterday?) though. Looks like it works well. Shame only 30% of us will actually be willing to get it really.

[Kikó]

I can't remember whether I've already posted this and I'm on my phone so cba to check, but the occupational health lady who gave me my flu jab the other day said that they are being geared up behind the scenes to start a vaccination campaign from January.

How much you can read into that regarding how confident they are a vaccine will actually be available by then I don't really know.

My source has said that it's later in the year and he's never wrong.

[Pepe]

Do we know the model of the plane that will carry the vaccine?

[randomlegend]

https://i.imgur.com/WTDnnwE.gif

[Manc]

Here we go!

[Kikó]

:rolleyes: He predicted the Swine Flu pandemic and penicillin.

[Spikey M]

It's coming home.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Open the clubs.

[Boydy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54652226

"We may actually have to ration surgery and it may be that you end up with a broken arm or a broken leg that we do not have the time or space to operate on, and it will heal with a deformity and potential disability."

Cool, sounds good.

[Kikó]

How will you tell any difference?

[phonics]

That makes no sense, can't I just go 'I don't give a shit about COVID' sign a waiver and have them put my leg back together?

[Lewis]

You're not protecting the NHS then are you.

[Magic]

This is hilarious.

I'm sorry but if you've got corona and you're in hospital you're a fucking melt. You should only be in hospital if you're at the ventilation stage. Same with the flu. Nation of cowards.

[Don]

Magic, listen we all want the clubs open but I don't even know what you're spouting recently. You can't be letting the seethe overpower you.

Extra hour in the clubs tomorrow night (with the clocks going back at 2am) if we manage to have an early win :drool:

[Kikó]

This is hilarious.

I'm sorry but if you've got corona and you're in hospital you're a fucking melt. You should only be in hospital if you're at the ventilation stage. Same with the flu. Nation of cowards.

Have you suffered some sort of brain damage?

[Lewis]

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:lol:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Ah yes, the famously non-essential and frivolous item that is the winter blanket.

[Spikey M]

Fuck me.

[Giggles]

That is fucked up.

[Lewis]

There are a few people justifying it on the grounds that it prevents the closed 'non-essential' shops losing business, because obviously they live in 1996.

[Magic]

Have you suffered some sort of brain damage?

You'll see the perfectly timed Lewbear post shows it is not I with the brain damage.

[niko_cee]

Should those people with the polythene really be that close together?

[Yevrah]

Is there some sort of 'official' take on why this is being done?

[Max Power]

Small, local business amazon.com surely will feel the benefit of that decision.

[Lewis]

There are a few people justifying it on the grounds that it prevents the closed 'non-essential' shops losing business, because obviously they live in 1996.

lol this is the actual official reason for it. I thought it was just idiots putting a shine on the government being stupid.

[Kikó]

That's literally batshit crazy.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They're only losing business because you've forced them to close, you ridiculous people. Now no one can have pillows.

[Yevrah]

Not content with our three tier system, I see the Scots have gone for 5 tiers.

I have a feeling we need 7 tiers to crack this, so I am disappoint.

[Spikey M]

Deadly Dom's 10 commandments.

[Magic]

Not content with our three tier system, I see the Scots have gone for 5 tiers.

I have a feeling we need 7 tiers to crack this, so I am disappoint.

It's 5 tiers and of course, applying some sterling logic, the 5 tiers are as follows:

Tier 1: LEVEL 0
Tier 2: LEVEL 1
Tier 3: LEVEL 2
Tier 4: LEVEL 3
Tier 5: LEVEL 4

:harold:

[Jimmy Floyd]

If we went 7 tiers the Scots would go 9, and the Welsh would let out all the prisoners or something equally sensible.

[Spikey M]

It's 5 tiers and of course, applying some sterling logic, the 5 tiers are as follows:

Tier 1: LEVEL 0
Tier 2: LEVEL 1
Tier 3: LEVEL 2
Tier 4: LEVEL 3
Tier 5: LEVEL 4

:harold:

:D

[phonics]

We've got new COVID rules and they're insanely arbitrary as is the trend.

Private parties up to 5 people maximum, unless it's a party with children under 12 where you can have anywhere between 5 and 1000.

[niko_cee]

We've managed to stumble upon a local cluster, quite fortuitously it would seem. The 'index case' which is what those in the know like to call the first one, or the first one they're tracing from, was picked up due to pre-travel screening (presumably they have to travel to the UK for something and the NHS have a 14 day quarantine/negative test requirement I believe). They were completely asymptomatic and have still managed to cause a further 7/8 currently known cases. If they'd not been picked up (and why would they have been?), or had only been picked up due to symptoms (which may or may not have manifested), given that spread, we'd probably be looking at going back quite a bit in terms of the exit strategy. Fuck knows where it's come from considering our regs are beyond draconian. Maybe it never really left (although they have been testing quite a lot of symptomatic people and haven't found anything)? Obviously mongs are already clamouring for a return to lockdown.

[Kikó]

It's 5 tiers and of course, applying some sterling logic, the 5 tiers are as follows:

Tier 1: LEVEL 0
Tier 2: LEVEL 1
Tier 3: LEVEL 2
Tier 4: LEVEL 3
Tier 5: LEVEL 4

:harold:

Isn't this how they renamed the football league?

[Lewis]

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lol again. Full sugar Coke as well it must be serious.

[Giggles]

No need for it to be sold if kids shouldn’t go out.

[Spikey M]

All jokes about how mental this is aside, I was talking to my Mrs about this earlier and 'non-essential' is in need of some pretty serious defining.

If they are allowing people to be exempt from masks on Mental Health grounds, then who are they to decide what is and isn't essential? On Mental Health grounds 'Normality' is essential. Celebrating annual events is essential. I don't suffer with my mental health, but I've had a few wobbles during this shit. I think seeing 2/3 of the Supermarket taped off to deny me anything but bread and water would potentially give me another one. This is absolutely fucking mental.

[Boydy]

I read somewhere (twitter, I think) that the logic behind it was to stop people going to the supermarket and browsing the clothes and shit for ages which sort of makes sense. But what if your kid needs new shoes or something during that time? What if your microwave breaks? It's a bit stupid.

[Yevrah]

Clothes being defined as non-essential is nuts. How is an old person who doesn't know how to use Amazon supposed to get any they need in Wales during this bonkers?

[phonics]

As I’ve established. I’ve got a big house with two floors. Do you think I could have two private parties, one on each floor? Or am I gonna have to find a 12 year old or two?

[Spikey M]

Clothes being defined as non-essential is nuts. How is an old person who doesn't know how to use Amazon supposed to get any they need in Wales during this bonkers?

Is Amazon essential? Those delivery drivers are a risk. Best shut them down as well.

Seven people died from Covid in Wales today. SEVEN.

[Lewis]

And it would have been seventy if they were all out buying quilts.

[Queenslander]

You blokes would hate what's happening in Brisbane at the moment.

[Don]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54666403

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/oct/24/how-londons-top-restaurants-are-skewering-the-covid-rules

:happycry:

[Baz]

Beating them at their own game. :drool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

The clubs are back open I think, at least if my neighbour having 12 people round and playing hefty bass thudding around the building from midnight until now is anything to go by.

[Don]

Address, mate :drool:

[Boydy]

I'd have grassed on him by 1am.

[Spikey M]

Jimmy not doing his civic grassing duty. :nono:

[Don]

I'm missig another opentheclubs march today. Fs, can someone give me some notice of when these are planned.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They're still going even now. It might be an orgy. It's a single youngish woman that lives there. I'm not posting my address Taz but I'll send a flare up and you can follow it across the night sky with your frankincense and myrrh.

[Don]

:drool:

[phonics]

Maybe they OD’d and died and the Spotify playlist is a long one.

[Shindig]

Narc her out, Jimmy. She could be the next Rose West.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

She's probably getting filled.

[Lofty]

Probably a copper.

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54523761

There's a lovely does of anxiety here if anyone's feeling a bit too chirpy this morning.

[Boydy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54523761

There's a lovely does of anxiety here if anyone's feeling a bit too chirpy this morning.

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[Giggles]

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Is that something that can be used to tax us?

[Boydy]

You won't have to worry about tax when civilisation collapses.

[Don]

I've lived a full life and have nothing else I wish to do or see beside post-apocalyptic anarchy so bring it on.

[Spikey M]

1320060498054819840

:drool:

[Kikó]

You won't have to worry about tax when civilisation collapses.

It's terrifying the rate of change and the "tipping point" reached with 14-16 degrees temperature rises in the Arctic regions.

[Boydy]

Man visits Newport Tesco store in his pants in protest at ban on non-essential items (https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/whats-on/shopping/man-visits-newport-tesco-store-4638821)

:D

[Don]

Spain and Italy have absolutely shat the bed. Spain's proposed state of emergency will last for 6 months all the way to May 2021.

[John Arne]

I'm never fucking getting back to see my fam, am I?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Pedro Sanchez is a dweeb. 'We must protect work and economic activity and the rhythms of our lives' while imposing a night time curfew and telling everyone to stay at home.

I am back in 'nothing to look forward to' territory now.

[Giggles]

It hasn’t really taken off here. As expected.

[Spikey M]

3 weeks today until we're meant to be going to CentreParcs. It's getting a bit touch and go. We're meant to be going to Croatia in late May / early June too (this years moved holiday) and I'm in no way confident that's going to happen this time either. Just Vax us all up Bozzer. We'll take the risk.

[Shindig]

I've got doubts over getting away in March. Unless Biden wins and locks down.

[Spikey M]

If Biden wins and tries to lock them down the place will be on the brink of Civil War. :drool:

[randomlegend]

I have further ITK info to suggest health workers may start being vaccinated before the end of the year.

[Spikey M]

Taz's seethe when the first NHS only clubnights start. :drool:

[Raoul Duke]

Taz's seethe when the first NHS only clubnights start. :drool:

Anyone who's had the 'rona should be able to go too. I'm happy to pile in with a load of nurses :thbup:

[Spikey M]

Anyone who's had the 'rona should be able to go too. I'm happy to pile in with a load of nurses :thbup:

Nah. What if you're one of those tarts that manages to catch it twice?

[Spikey M]

1320060498054819840

1320721204018356226?s=09

Phew. Open the coal mines.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-54685886

Some shops in Wales blocked off aisles with tampons...

[Disco]

Are they that much bigger in Wales?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

A lot of heavy flow over there.

[Lofty]

https://youtu.be/8DdAgnu67tk

Crushing defeat for Team Panic there.

[Spikey M]

I'm not sure there's any winners there.

Although "I'M VULNERABLE SO I'M GOING TO SPEND AN UNNECESSARY AMOUNT OF TIME AROUND PEOPLE REFUSING TO WEAR MASKS!" is obviously running away with it.

[Giggles]

:drool: Society will never recover from the rift.

[Don]

Jesus, the context of it is set out in the comments which has me binning my partially filled BNP application form but what a mess all-round.

[Lewis]

Big Nose Party pmsl.

[Don]

https://media.tenor.com/images/41587ffcd90ae31f191475baf01dd8df/tenor.gif

[Lewis]

Yeah she better leave.

[Waffdon]

Tier 3 for you hun Magic x

[Ian]

BBC headline suggests I might be in nearly full lockdown again.

Great.

[Waffdon]

Yeah, tier four by sounds of things. No surprises, Lanarkshire is grim. Dirty bastards.

[Shindig]

Once again the North East is kinda saved by the student boom dying down.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'm not sure there's any winners there.

Although "I'M VULNERABLE SO I'M GOING TO SPEND AN UNNECESSARY AMOUNT OF TIME AROUND PEOPLE REFUSING TO WEAR MASKS!" is obviously running away with it.

I liked the vulnerable woman picking up her phone to video the argument whilst screaming "SOMEONE CALL THE POLICE, GET THE POLICE HERE NOW".

[Magic]

Tier 3 for you hun Magic x

She's a cunt.

[Waffdon]

My house house is tier 2 as is my missus’. Things you love to see.

[Spikey M]

1320653747836592128?s=09

:happycry:

[Shindig]

The state of that tweet. You can't use an emoji as punctuation.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Mark is a true genius.

[Spikey M]

People could write essays on that tweet. It might actually be art.

[Lewis]

That 'Hmm' is proper passive-aggressive soppy woman speak. CONFIRMED.

[Shindig]

I tried reading it again and it has the most fascinating effect of derailing sooner than you think.

[Smjffy]

I really worry about the future and it's not because of Covid.

It's as though the entire world is falling apart.

[Lewis]

Also, the iron law of Twitter credentialism could easily sweep that MBE up with the Dr/QC whoppers. Get out now son. Half of kids are meant to be overweight anyway.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Don't get me started on 'Prof Alice Roberts'.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Alice Roberts :wub:

[Lewis]

I'm not sure whether I came up with it (Betts' Law), or you would just have to name it after one of the worst offenders (Rutherford's Law/Cassidy's Law/Simor's Law), but it would be formalised as there being a constant ninety per cent chance (at least) that anyone with their academic/professional credentials in their social media handle is a solid gold nonce.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Surely Jolyon's Law.

[Lewis]

Maugham's Law could work. Sarah 'Dr Sarah Wollaston' Wollaston not doing it appears to be the exception that proves the rule.

[Shindig]

I'm putting this one forward: Randrew's Law. Assuming we can apply it to transfer rumours.

EDIT: Gillian McKeith. A 'doctor' who literally came to prominence complaining about shit.

[randomlegend]

I don't have a social media.

[Baz]

Re that video, why the fuck do people bother getting involved in stuff like that?

Just pay for your petrol and drive off.

[Shindig]

Some people can't help themselves.

[Don]

You gotta stir the shit by lolling at them and hoping one of them swings at you. It's your duty as a top WUM.

[Don]

I see they've started revolutionising A&E departments and their processes in a few London hospitals as a trial. Add this to the list of shit that needed to be done long ago. Every time I've been it's looked like a fucking shambles ran by freshie immigrants. Get it into an app format managed by Serco/Capita and let the good times roll.

[Spikey M]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54696873

Burn down the clubs.

[John Arne]

I've no idea how (or why) but Finland has successfully trained dogs to detect Covid



As part of a state-funded pilot scheme held at Helsinki airport, four dogs have been taught to detect the presence of coronavirus within 10 seconds. According to researchers, the entire screening process takes less than a minute to complete and has "nearly 100 percent accuracy."

https://www.greenmatters.com/p/finland-training-dogs-coronavirus

[Lofty]

The reason the world is locked into it's current trajectory of hell is quite sadly that despite noble intentions, giving everyone the same platform to air their views is a bad idea. I don't know what the answer to that is, but look at the US and they essentially made the biggest shit talker on the biggest social media platform President. Maybe career politicians were always completely inept but the culture of the 24/7 news cycle and ability to respond to it while curling out a shite at 2am is definitely exacerbating things.

[Magic]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54696873

Burn down the clubs.

"The fall was greater in those over 65, compared with younger age groups, and in those without symptoms compared with those with full-blown Covid-19."

:yawn:

[Spikey M]

This virus is basically just a troll. It's worked out exactly the right way to be as annoying as possible. Maybe it was made in that fucking lab.

[Lofty]

I like the idea that it was made in a lab like Captain Trips in The Stand, except it was deliberately leaked by someone just trying to get the week off because their annual leave was declined and it's spiralled out of control.

[Magic]

In Tayside, check this standard of sensationalist reporting:


1,327 new coronavirus cases
25 people have died in the past 24 hours after testing positive for the virus in the past 28 days

[Yevrah]

Seems reasonable.

[Dark Soldier]

https://youtu.be/8DdAgnu67tk

Crushing defeat for Team Panic there.

Makes me proud to be Northern

https://i.imgur.com/tx9xcDX.gif

[Spikey M]

In Tayside, check this standard of sensationalist reporting:


1,327 new coronavirus cases
25 people have died in the past 24 hours after testing positive for the virus in the past 28 days




Sensationalist? :cab:

[Magic]

Yes, how is it not sensationalist? It makes it out like 25 people have died of Corona, when the reality is 25 people have died who happened to test positive for Corona in the past month.

Also my apologies it's Scotland not just Tayside. Tayside was 2.

[Disco]

Magic still determined to die on the dumbest hill available I see.

[Spikey M]

Yes, how is it not sensationalist? It makes it out like 25 people have died of Corona, when the reality is 25 people have died who happened to test positive for Corona in the past month.

Also my apologies it's Scotland not just Tayside. Tayside was 2.

It says "25 people have died in the past 24 hours after testing positive for the virus in the past 28 days"

Aside from 28 days being 4 weeks rather than a month, it says exactly the same as what you've just said you dizzy tart. :D

[Magic]

Alas twas founded on a quest for the truth, rather than secrets and lies.

[Yevrah]

Yes, how is it not sensationalist? It makes it out like 25 people have died of Corona, when the reality is 25 people have died who happened to test positive for Corona in the past month.

Also my apologies it's Scotland not just Tayside. Tayside was 2.

I know you're desperate to believe that all those people died from other things, but COVID kills people, a lot of people.

Does that mean we should be continuing on the path we're on until a vaccine turns up? I don't think so, but one doesn't need to deny the existence and dangers of the thing in the first place to believe that.

Honestly, it's utterly moronic doing so.

[Don]

Team #Opentheclubs have today come to a mutual agreement with Magic Johnson on the termination of his contract.

We'd like to thank Magic for his service to the cause and wish him well for the future.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They're trailing the Oxford vaccine as being imminent today, so who knows, maybe the clubs will not only be open but utterly dominating global economic activity by mid-November.

[Yevrah]

I've never wanted to be more wrong about something than how long a vaccine would take.

[Mazuuurk]

How are russia doing? Aren't they basically already vaccinating people?

[Ian]

If they say they are we can definitely take their word for it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The much vaunted Sputnik V vaccine (kudos for the name) is apparently a load of shite, so no.

There's a French vaccine running to a similar timeline as ours.

[Magic]

Having left Team 'New Labour', Team 'Genuinely open the clubs' has announced it's formation as of today.

[randomlegend]

I've never wanted to be more wrong about something than how long a vaccine would take.

My latest ITK is that NHS workers and other front-of-the-queue types will start being vaccinated before Christmas.

[phonics]

I've never wanted to be more wrong about something than how long a vaccine would take.

To put in perspective the amount of money they've put into a vaccine is equivalent to slightly under what they've put into an HIV vaccine total over the last 30 years. Science is very quick when it's paid to do so.

[randomlegend]

I hate 'clubbing', but I might go once I'm an invincible vaccine-receiver just so I can send Taz a picture.

[Don]

Fam, I didn't care much for ITKs in regards to hyped up wastemen like Sancho but you're playing with people's emotions here so please stop until you've had a needle jabbed in your arm [or jap's eye].

[Jimmy Floyd]

If we're doing 'front of the queue' properly, it should begin on the last 10 strokes before midnight on 31 December with Dr Boris Johnson with a giant syringe administering the first shots live on TV (in turn) to the waiting arms of Sunak, Hancock, the Queen, Prince Philip, three randomly selected Eton schoolboys, Hancock again (just to be safe), Marcus Rashford, and finally himself.

Cummings has been vaccinated since 2013, obviously.

[Don]

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201009-could-social-distancing-make-the-flu-extinct

2 weeks old but a good read. Wasn't aware of how it was wiping out the flu in the southern hemisphere #otc

[Don]

367. Tally Tuesdays never disappoint :drool:

[Lewis]

Wales has now moved to customers being able to ask for non-essential items in exceptional circumstances, which, in throwing the burden of disappointing people onto supermarket staff, strikes me as the only way they could possibly have made it worse.

[Don]

221 in Italy, 523 in France. We're back, baby :happycry:

[Lewis]

I'm not locking down here over Christmas. What are the fines now?

[Yevrah]

It'll be before Christmas at this rate anyway.

[Queenslander]

Conservative media are still talking up Sweden down here. They are in some autistic loop about it.

https://i.ibb.co/vLTpV01/chart-2-data.jpg (https://ibb.co/L9cmYVS)

[Jimmy Floyd]

876, those chumps want to have 25,000 a day like proper countries.

[Queenslander]

Australia would be so fucked at 25,000 a day.

[Magic]

Don't get how they are twice the size of Scotland, have done nothing really, yet we've done loads of shit and are miles worse.

[Don]

Sweden's move to leave it to people to social distance and keep control of the virus is the model now adopted by much of the rest of Europe but I heard they were proposing to go under stricter measures as this second wave hit them. Not sure if they've done anything on that or not yet. Their awareness that they shouldn't just go to DEFCON 1 and that peoole would grow tired of the measures was the sort of thinking they deserve credit for.

[Queenslander]

Lots of people dieing is a bit shit.

[Spikey M]

Sweden is bigger than Britain and has the same population as London. We might as well try to adopt Papua New Guineas approach.

[Magic]

I didn't mean Britain I meant Scotland that is pretty similar in terms of population spread no?

At least they've moved from Muslim rape capital of the world to forward thinking Wonderland.

[Spikey M]

They don't appear to have a load of conspiracy theory numpties going out of their way to avoid social distancing/masks/not licking door handles, so I reckon the comparisons remain ill fitting.

[mugbull]

I’d say about 5% of Swedes wear masks on public transport

[Magic]

What you saying pinhead. :harold:

[Spikey M]

Show me where I mentioned public transport.

[Magic]

Well if it's 5% on public transport it's hardly going to be 100% everywhere else is it. Game, set, match.

[Spikey M]

Didn't say that either. What I'm trying to get across, is that by asking people to take their own precautions they are expecting people to actually do that. You are not doing that, so how would it work? What you actually want is just to go back to normal because you live in a conspiracy bubble that doesn't actually believe Covid exists / is killing people.

[Don]

Rumours team #opentheclubs are about to offer a contract to Magic Johnson in what would be a sensational return for the mercurial attacker.

[Spikey M]

https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/

It sounds like it's going great over there.

[Magic]

Didn't say that either. What I'm trying to get across, is that by asking people to take their own precautions they are expecting people to actually do that. You are not doing that, so how would it work? What you actually want is just to go back to normal because you live in a conspiracy bubble that doesn't actually believe Covid exists / is killing people.

Who's not doing that like? I follow the rules like most other people, does that mean I have to 100% agree with them?

I want things to go back to normal because I'm a human being, anyone that doesn't want this probably needs to talk to someone.

[Magic]

https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/

It sounds like it's going great over there.

As good as it is over in Scotland, in fact their total cases and deaths is almost exactly double, and they've got double the population.

So please explain to me how, despite our extreme restrictions and their non-restrictions, this is the case?

I'll wait.

[Spikey M]

Who's not doing that like? I follow the rules like most other people, does that mean I have to 100% agree with them?

I want things to go back to normal because I'm a human being, anyone that doesn't want this probably needs to talk to someone.

You have posted regularly in here about refusing to follow the rules and not believing in the Covid deaths.

[Spikey M]

As good as it is over in Scotland, in fact their total cases and deaths is almost exactly double, and they've got double the population.

So please explain to me how, despite our extreme restrictions and their non-restrictions, this is the case?

I'll wait.

Because 90% of them came during the first wave, then we locked down and the deaths fucked off. What do you think would have happened if we hadn't locked down? Would the deaths have stopped of their own accord?

[Magic]

You have posted regularly in here about refusing to follow the rules and not believing in the Covid deaths.

I follow the rules that I need to follow but other than that I just live my life and see who I want to see, sensibly.

Lol so questioning the authenticity of 'facts' from the proven clueless authorities and science community is not believing it's real? Jesus is it that black and white for you.

This isn't a symptom...no it is. Actually it's a more prominent symptom than the other ones we told you were.
Rates...rates...types of graphs, in the last X days, ever, per 100,000, per population, per X Y Z
Deaths...as above
Recovered? Doesn't matter
Control the virus? Stop the virus? Eliminate the virus?
5 tiers? Bubbles? Mental health?
More cases than ever despite all the restrictions and mask wearing?
Political agendas?

Sorry for being sceptical...! It's obviously a real thing but we've been lied to and lied to and fearmongered in to oblivion. It's nothing less than we deserve especially when you look at Indyref 2, Brexit etc. We've ended up exactly where we should be.

[Magic]

Because 90% of them came during the first wave, then we locked down and the deaths fucked off. What do you think would have happened if we hadn't locked down? Would the deaths have stopped of their own accord?

Lol are you arguing for my point now? That's what I'm saying. Sweden didn't do that, or anything, and yet they still have exactly the same deaths as Scotland.

[Spikey M]

Lol are you arguing for my point now? That's what I'm saying. Sweden didn't do that, or anything, and yet they still have exactly the same deaths as Scotland.

Yeah, I'm not. If we hadn't locked down the deaths would have carried on. That much is obvious. If lockdowns don't work then why is Asia living it up after a hard lockdown then careful management?

I imagine, Sweden unofficially did what we did to an extent. When shit got bad, people shat themselves and stayed at home. The problem is people are no longer sitting themselves, so who's to say the 2nd wave will follow suit?

[Magic]

Yeah, I'm not. If we hadn't locked down the deaths would have carried on. That much is obvious. If lockdowns don't work then why is Asia living it up after a hard lockdown then careful management?

I imagine, Sweden unofficially did what we did to an extent. When shit got bad, people shat themselves and stayed at home. The problem is people are no longer sitting themselves, so who's to say the 2nd wave will follow suit?

Right, so can you stop avoiding my question and answer it please? Why did Sweden's deaths not 'carry on' as per ours if we hadn't? Is it not as deadly in Sweden?

Lockdowns work in Asia because that's the way they live over there. It's no problem for them, collectively.

Can you provide evidence please where despite having no restrictions Sweden's population 'unofficially' locked themselves down exactly the same we did 'officially'?

[Spikey M]

Right, so can you stop avoiding my question and answer it please? Why did Sweden's deaths not 'carry on' as per ours if we hadn't? Is it not as deadly in Sweden?

Lockdowns work in Asia because that's the way they live over there. It's no problem for them, collectively.

Can you provide evidence please where despite having no restrictions Sweden's population 'unofficially' locked themselves down exactly the same we did 'officially'?

I really can't be arsed. Have the win bigman.

[Magic]

Taz can your team afford to not have this type of firepower in your ranks?

[mugbull]

The thing is with Sweden, it's already the most introverted, lonely country in Europe. Everybody lives alone and the status quo is to see mates once a week. Lockdown wouldn't have changed all that much over here.

[Spikey M]

Muggers with the heel turn.

[Magic]

The thing is with Sweden, it's already the most introverted, lonely country in Europe. Everybody lives alone and the status quo is to see mates once a week. Lockdown wouldn't have changed all that much over here.

It's things like work, socialising, etc rather than having mates round to your house. Surely the household transmissions would be non-existent if we hadn't locked down? I never really had people round at all, or go to other people's houses it was all work, out and about, socialising, social events, pubs etc.

EDIT: Scotland is like this too; a dark, dreary, poor, lonely place where a lot of people live alone or in family groups that don't fluctuate much.

[mugbull]

I mean, most office work has been remote since March and I also meant that in comparison to most countries, Swedes don't socialize at all. Pubs have been open this whole time, true, but the pub culture is very different from the UK.

The living alone thing is also a big part of it. Over half of Swedish households are single-person households: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/DDN-20170905-1?inheritRedirect=true

[Jimmy Floyd]

That will be it. A massive percentage of the transmission here (and presumably everywhere) is in large/extended households and families. You can see it just in my workplace at the moment whereby those with kids/families are having huge Covid problems of one sort or another constantly (school bubbles isolating, contacts testing positive etc) whereas I really think I'm unlikely to contract the virus, even from coming into the office as I am.

[Lewis]

Another planning reform argument there.

[Boydy]

Rates...rates...types of graphs, in the last X days, ever, per 100,000, per population, per X Y Z
Deaths...as above
Recovered? Doesn't matter
Control the virus? Stop the virus? Eliminate the virus?
5 tiers? Bubbles? Mental health?
More cases than ever despite all the restrictions and mask wearing?
Political agendas?


"We didn't start the virus..."

[Ian]

:D