Coronavirus Death Thread

[Magic]

Absolute lies.

[John Arne]

Absolute lies.

Why do you think that?

[Giggles]

The Gateway Pundit :D

[randomlegend]

Have anyone who tests positive killed then they didn't die of covid.

Galaxy brain China.

[Magic]

Why do you think that?

Why do you not?

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Why would you believe any stat like that coming out of China?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I don't believe China but I do believe this. Xi Jinping lagging behind.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FH71fxuWQB4qN-y?format=jpg&name=large

Happy New Year.

[Pepe]

Greta :D

[Shindig]

Captain Tom is basically Diana now.

[John Arne]

Why do you not?

I didn't say I did. I'm just curious as to why you don't.

[Yevrah]

Why is the dog man not in there?

[Magic]

I didn't say I did. I'm just curious as to why you don't.

And I'm curious as to why you do.

[Shindig]

Why is the dog man not in there?

Because the people (and our government) preferred the dogs over him.

[Queenslander]

Sat through Dune with the expectation that I wear my mask the whole time.

lol

[Shindig]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59848160

Can't wait for the first case on the International Space Station.

[Yevrah]

A Belgian scientific research station in Antarctica is dealing with an outbreak of Covid-19, despite workers being fully vaccinated and based in one of the world's remotest regions.

They need to stop being surprised at this. You don't get well over 180,000 cases a day if you can't pass it on having been vaxxed.

[Lewis]

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lmao at the freaks responding to this.

[Jimmy Floyd]

This new line the loons have of 'they're not restrictions, they're protections' is all the more lol for the fact that it took them two years to come up with it.

[Yevrah]

I know there's no reasoning with these people, but have they not considered that if they want restr...sorry..protections to continue it'd be much easier to implement if you just singled out the people who're vulnerable to it.

Or would that be an infringement of civil liberties?

[Kikó]

How do you single out people who are vulnerable?

[Spikey M]

The standard line is "you can't just isolate the vulnerable, because they still need to have some kind of access to society. Be it carers, food deliveries, etc. "

Which is probably true. However, I'm going to have to wheel out ye olde peanut example. People with allergies can't stay at home at all times, but they are expected to manage their own risk. We haven't made peanuts illegal, aside from restrictions in reasonable settings. With Covid, I think it would be reasonable to keep masks and distancing where possible, in places like doctors, pharmacies, etc. But closing the clubs to keep 60+ diabetics safe? Uwotm8.

[Don]

This is a very serious illness mate, it's not just the old and fat that it endangers.

[Yevrah]

How do you single out people who are vulnerable?

I'm not suggesting we do it, as it's clearly ludicrous, but then so is locking everyone down at this point and that's what these mentalists want.

[Magic]

Seeing how almost all transmission is in hospital why don't we just lock down healthcare workers seeing as how they seem to love it so much? We can have quarantine camps for them too.

[randomlegend]

Seeing how almost all transmission is in hospital

Just because you say things with confidence doesn't make them true.

[Yevrah]

No chance it's 'most', but I would like to know how many people are being included in the stats when they're either going in for something else and happen to have it or have picked it up there.

Well over half the deaths have come from this thing due to people picking it up in a care environment and that shit needs to be factored in by the loons who want to lock us down again.

[Magic]

Lock the healthcare workers down. Simple.

[Shindig]

Sturgeon's probably thought about it.

[Queenslander]

Florona (flu and covid) got a good lol out of me this morning.

[Giggles]

Borona.

[John Arne]

Vietnam may have been late to the vax party, but since actually having some of the stuff, the rates have been impressive.

Number of doses administered:

September: 22m
October: 40m
November: 41m
December: 29m

[Spoonsky]

Consumed already by 2021 nostalgia, Quebec is going into full lockdown with a curfew at 10pm. The beautiful province.

[Magic]

:harold:

[Manc]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/frightening-new-covid-data-shows-boris-johnsons-omicron-gamble/

[Jimmy Floyd]

A classic example there of the media being desperate for bad news and its resultant anxiety clicks, where none exists.

[Spikey M]

There's been a SUPERSPREADING EVENT at my wife's work. More than half of her team have gone off with Covid over the last 3 days. It's absolutely fucking everywhere at the moment and I don't think peaks get much peakier than this.

[randomlegend]

One of the girls friends went to a wedding the other week and almost literally everyone who was there now has it.

[randomlegend]

They aren't a healthcare worker and didn't get married in a hospital, magic.

[Shindig]

Starting to think that weird bout of fatigue earlier last month might've been Omicron. That's make 4 office cases I know of.

[Don]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/02/britain-got-it-wrong-on-covid-long-lockdown-did-more-harm-than-good-says-scientist

£250k per household :D

[Kikó]

Good that Jimmy and Yev helped him with the book title.

[CJay]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/02/britain-got-it-wrong-on-covid-long-lockdown-did-more-harm-than-good-says-scientist

£250k per household :D

Care homes, not households.

[Yevrah]

There's a man after my own heart and an expert as well.

To be fair to the government and other scientists, one can forgive the mistakes and lazy rhetoric early doors as we really didn't know any better, but those calling for the same shit now and pretending that EVERYONE is at risk from this thing, two years later, really need to give their head a wobble.

[Dquincy]

There's been a SUPERSPREADING EVENT at my wife's work. More than half of her team have gone off with Covid over the last 3 days. It's absolutely fucking everywhere at the moment and I don't think peaks get much peakier than this.

Let us know if any of them croak it. We can use it as a benchmark.

[Yevrah]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/frightening-new-covid-data-shows-boris-johnsons-omicron-gamble/


A classic example there of the media being desperate for bad news and its resultant anxiety clicks, where none exists.

Yep. I read that last night and the whole premise absolutely falls on its arse when you get past the bullshit and into the numbers. It wasn't even a gamble for fuck's sake, we had the data to support it.

[Dquincy]

Yep. I read that last night and the whole premise absolutely falls on its arse when you get past the bullshit and into the numbers. It wasn't even a gamble for fuck's sake, we had the data to support it.

Hospital rates are rising. :dc:

[Yevrah]

Hospital rates are rising. :dc:

Well yes, they will when everyone is catching it, but what is hospital for if not a place to treat people. You also need to look past fear mongering headlines and actually read the content. In that article headed up by the apocalyptic premise of "Frightening new Covid data shows Boris Johnson’s omicron gamble may be about to implode", is this graph:

https://i.postimg.cc/vZsz2zdk/Graph.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Not only are we not anywhere near the same level as we were before, in London (which was hit first and hardest), it's not following the same gradient as last year and London has been dealing with this for over a month now so is presumably coming to the end of it as well.

And shitmunks like Giggles think I've run mad.

[Shindig]

Yeah, the numbers look better than the last Delta wave. London's peaked in cases so you'd expect hospital numbers to follow in the next, I dunno, week or two. The thing with the other regions is they seemed to pick up a month after London. They all look like they're following the same timescale but probably won't be as severe as the capital.

[randomlegend]

I know I've said it already, but one of the major issues for hospitals is how many staff are off because they are covid positive.

[Yevrah]

I know I've said it already, but one of the major issues for hospitals is how many staff are off because they are covid positive.

Given how many people are no doubt catching it in hospital anyway or are coming in for something else with it, we should probably be taking a hard look in the near future as to whether we want our hospital staff isolating when they have it in a very minor way, or at least reducing the time they need to isolate for.

[Kikó]

The reason they're isolating is to not pass on an infectious disease to vulnerable people. I don't know how you have Covid in a minor way when you are positive.

[Shindig]

Yeah, the 'come back to work when your symptoms resolved' approach that the yanks are doing can't really work in healthcare. All you can do is test until you're all clear. Catch 22, basically.

[Yevrah]

The reason they're isolating is to not pass on an infectious disease to vulnerable people. I don't know how you have Covid in a minor way when you are positive.

Really? I hadn't worked that one out. :cab:

And who do you think is more contagious? Someone coughing and spluttering all over the shop or someone who only knows they have it through a positive test? In any case, even if you don't let them in in a blanket fashion, you can look at the time they have to isolate for. We're already down to 7 days, the yanks 5.

These are all things we need to be thinking about as having 25%+ of a workforce off for as long as COVID is about is not sustainable.

[Yevrah]

Yeah, the 'come back to work when your symptoms resolved' approach that the yanks are doing can't really work in healthcare. All you can do is test until you're all clear. Catch 22, basically.

Nothing really works in healthcare, look at the number of deaths from it already.

[Spikey M]

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lmao at the freaks responding to this.

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The replies to this one are superb. :happycry:

[Manc]

Dquincy

[randomlegend]

Nothing really works in healthcare, look at the number of deaths from it already.

I'm not sure I'd be all that happy if my vulnerable relative came into hospital and caught covid from a healthcare worker who'd tested positive 5 days ago.

[Shindig]

He'll be PMing you in a minute asking if it's possible to set up a Yevrah only hospital where admissions are invite only. Where's your nearest Nightingale, Yev?

[Lewis]

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The replies to this one are superb. :happycry:

All remainer benders seething at young people exercising their freedom of movement rights. :o

[Yevrah]

I'm not sure I'd be all that happy if my vulnerable relative came into hospital and caught covid from a healthcare worker who'd tested positive 5 days ago.

Well of course not, no one has been happy with any of this situation.

And keep trying Shinners, you'll be funny again someday.

[Shindig]

Better to be funny once, mate.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I don't think there's a lot you can do about staff absences really. Just have to ride it out.

[randomlegend]

Well of course not, no one has been happy with any of this situation.

And keep trying Shinners, you'll be funny again someday.

It's easy to be flippant when it's not affecting you. Imagine your child with cancer on chemotherapy died of covid they caught off a staff member who was allowed to come back to work 5 days after testing positive. Because that's the reality.

Edit: sorry phone autocorrects covid to all caps, fixed.

[Yevrah]

It's easy to be flippant when it's not affecting you. Imagine your child with cancer on chemotherapy died of covid they caught off a staff member who was allowed to come back to work 5 days after testing positive. Because that's the reality.

Edit: sorry phone autocorrects covid to all caps, fixed.

My Gran slipped over last year and had to go into hospital, she caught COVID there and it killed her. So I'm not being flippant and it has affected me.

[Foe]

There’s going to be sob stories regardless of what happens.

With furlough gone, how many people are going to be actively testing or adhering to the guidelines if their income and/or future income is at risk? It’s going to be one of those don’t ask, don’t tell scenarios.

I’d imagine a good proportion of the 20-40 workforce will take their own choice.

[randomlegend]

No, you absolutely are being flippant. The fact your nan caught covid in hospital is shit, but it doesn't make it OK to massively increase that risk to patients by sending staff back to work so quickly.

[randomlegend]

There’s going to be sob stories regardless of what happens.

With furlough gone, how many people are going to be actively testing or adhering to the guidelines if their income and/or future income is at risk? It’s going to be one of those don’t ask, don’t tell scenarios.

I’d imagine a good proportion of the 20-40 workforce will take their own choice.

Furlough was for businesses which closed down right? Not really anything to do with people being off sick with covid? None of what you've said really relates to NHS staff in any way.

My mistake if you were just making a separate point.

[Yevrah]

There’s going to be sob stories regardless of what happens.

With furlough gone, how many people are going to be actively testing or adhering to the guidelines if their income and/or future income is at risk? It’s going to be one of those don’t ask, don’t tell scenarios.

I’d imagine a good proportion of the 20-40 workforce will take their own choice.

Exactly. In a pandemic there'll be individual examples of anything you could care to mention, but setting policy on those individual examples or possibilities is moronic, particularly if people are fucking the policies off anyway.

[Lewis]

I think what Randrew means is that she was statistically more likely to be misdiagnosed/neglected to death than she was to be infected in hospital, so it's a bit of a stretch to blame the NHS in this case.

[Foe]

What’s your view of the end game instead?

Vaccines, variants etc causing a perpetual vaccination every 3-6 months and isolating until when?

Genuine query. I have no idea what the planned end game is anymore, because it feels as though we should be there already.

[Foe]

Original point wasn’t about the NHS, RL, was more generic. I was more thinking about the gen pop of plumbers, trademsen, shop workers, delivery people etc.

[Yevrah]

No, you absolutely are being flippant. The fact your nan caught covid in hospital is shit, but it doesn't make it OK to massively increase that risk to patients by sending staff back to work so quickly.

If it increases the risk. We've been conditioned to see 10 days as this benchmark, but as I say that's now 7 here and 5 in the US. Albeit the US seem to clarifying that slightly.

And if I'm being flippant, you're being ludicrously emotive by rolling out kids with cancer. You should be looking at the increased risk of reducing the isolation time vs. the benefit that brings by having more staff on hand - instead you've gone straight for the emotional response.

[Shindig]

One thing I've wondered is if Omicron opens the door for this to become a proper seasonal illness. Assuming it has picked up a common cold bit that allowed it to spread faster.

[Yevrah]

I think what Randrew means is that she was statistically more likely to be misdiagnosed/neglected to death than she was to be infected in hospital, so it's a bit of a stretch to blame the NHS in this case.

:D

Claxon to alert serious point incoming - I don't blame the NHS, shit happens and she was obviously vulnerable to it at 92, but we need to move away from trying to save everyone from this (or claiming that we do) and work out what is best for society as a whole and follow that path. It's fucking shit and there will obviously be people that affects badly, but there are already - it's a shit situation.

[Yevrah]

One thing I've wondered is if Omicron opens the door for this to become a proper seasonal illness. Assuming it has picked up a common cold bit that allowed it to spread faster.

That should definitely be the endgame in terms of treating it like one. We've got vaccines, we've got boosters, if people are still dying from it after that then there has to come a point when there's realistically no more that can be done. As shit as that is.

[Foe]

:D

Claxon to alert serious point incoming - I don't blame the NHS, shit happens and she was obviously vulnerable to it at 92, but we need to move away from trying to save everyone from this (or claiming that we do) and work out what is best for society as a whole and follow that path. It's fucking shit and there will obviously be people that affects badly, but there are already - it's a shit situation.

This is my big concern in Scotland. It feels as though sturgeon takes every death personally and feels it’s her duty to save everyone.

Nah, it’s a shitty disease. People are going to die unfortunately. At some point you realise that and live with it. The provision and offering of a vaccine should really have been the end point of government taking any ownership of people’s health.

[randomlegend]

Exactly. In a pandemic there'll be individual examples of anything you could care to mention, but setting policy on those individual examples or possibilities is moronic, particularly if people are fucking the policies off anyway.

It won't be a few individual cases if you start sending back staff at 5 days.

[randomlegend]

If it increases the risk. We've been conditioned to see 10 days as this benchmark, but as I say that's now 7 here and 5 in the US. Albeit the US seem to clarifying that slightly.

And if I'm being flippant, you're being ludicrously emotive by rolling out kids with cancer. You should be looking at the increased risk of reducing the isolation time vs. the benefit that brings by having more staff on hand - instead you've gone straight for the emotional response.

No, I've gone for the reality. That is what will happen and it won't be the odd isolated case. Until there's VERY robust evidence people aren't infective at 5 days post diagnosis it would be a mental step to take.

[Yevrah]

It won't be a few individual cases if you start sending back staff at 5 days.

Well if it isn't it shouldn't be done - I assumed you were looking for some form of solution or at least a discussion about one when you reiterated the issue with staff absences, maybe wrongly.

[randomlegend]

I was merely pointing out that all the whittering about how it's all fine and we don't need any restrictions because admissions/deaths aren't going up doesn't necessarily tell the whole story.

Whether restrictions are the answer or not, I don't know, I expect people are at a point where they won't follow them anyway. I strongly suspect sending healthcare staff back at 5 days would be disastrous but it's not something I'm mega-informed about and if there's evidence I'm wrong then I'd be glad to see it.

[Yevrah]

I was merely pointing out that all the whittering about how it's all fine and we don't need any restrictions because admissions/deaths aren't going up doesn't necessarily tell the whole story.

Well, if we start using restrictions to manage the capability of NHS to cope in a post vaccine and booster World we're going to be stuck with this shit for longer than even I expected.

[randomlegend]

Well, if we start using restrictions to manage the capability of NHS to cope in a post vaccine and booster World we're going to be stuck with this shit for longer than even I expected.

It's just a very difficult situation and I don't think there are any straightforward answers or necessarily a "right" thing to do.

[Yevrah]

It's just a very difficult situation and I don't think there are any straightforward answers or necessarily a "right" thing to do.

True, but I think if there is a staff shortage in the NHS, which there obviously is, surely some money could be diverted from obsessively and (largely) pointlessly testing the general public to recruiting more doctors and nurses. Again, not easy either, but presumably very doable if you're ok with stealing them from abroad.

[randomlegend]

My own personal feeling is that with this latest variant perhaps we are reaching the point where we should start treating it more like every other nasty viral illness, but I'm not clever, informed or educated enough in the ways that matter to be takig such decisions.

[randomlegend]

True, but I think if there is a staff shortage in the NHS, which there obviously is, surely some money could be diverted from obsessively and pointlessly testing the general public to recruiting more doctors and nurses. Again, not easy either, but presumably very doable if you're ok with stealing them from abroad.

I'm not sure there is a bountiful well of untapped staff in other countries ready to fill the gaps. Given how much we already draw on that resource, I suspect there isn't.

[Shindig]

And post-vaccine is not that great when the vaccine we've all taken is tuned to Covid classic. It'll help curb hospital admissions but it won't stop people catching it and getting ill.

[Yevrah]

My own personal feeling is that with this latest variant perhaps we are reaching the point where we should start treating it more like every other nasty viral illness, but I'm not clever, informed or educated enough in the ways that matter to be takig such decisions.

I wouldn't worry about that, it's a sound feeling and neither are a lot of the people actually making them anyway. Whallance's "The data from South Africa has been over-analysed" springs immediately to mind.

[Yevrah]

And post-vaccine is not that great when the vaccine we've all taken is tuned to Covid classic. It'll help curb hospital admissions but it won't stop people catching it and getting ill.

Very little stops people getting ill, we, as humans, get ill all the time. We seem to have forgotten that with COVID and if we're waiting for the perfect vaccine, well, good luck with that.

[Dquincy]

Dquincy

Wouldn't mind stuffing her haggis.

( the one on the right )

[Dquincy]

It's easy to be flippant when it's not affecting you. Imagine your child with cancer on chemotherapy died of covid they caught off a staff member who was allowed to come back to work 5 days after testing positive. Because that's the reality.

Edit: sorry phone autocorrects covid to all caps, fixed.
What would you choose if mass isolation of NHS staff meant there was a choice of having a staff member post 5 days covid or having not enough staff member there for the kid with cancer?

[Shindig]

Very little stops people getting ill, we, as humans, get ill all the time. We seem to have forgotten that with COVID and if we're waiting for the perfect vaccine, well, good luck with that.

Covid was England's third biggest cause of death last month. Would it not be worth tackling that?

[Yevrah]

Covid was England's third biggest cause of death last month. Would it not be worth tackling that?

We have tackled it. Would you phrase the first two in terms of not having been tackled or are we just used to them so we're more accepting and realistic about it?

[ScousePig]

Given how many people are no doubt catching it in hospital anyway or are coming in for something else with it, we should probably be taking a hard look in the near future as to whether we want our hospital staff isolating when they have it in a very minor way, or at least reducing the time they need to isolate for.

Reducing it too much risks going too far the other way and making it even worse, and they obviously feel seven days is the right balance with the current variant.

USA have five days, but their parameters are slightly different and I think our seven day is more or less in line with theirs.

[Yevrah]

More or less, by two days?

[ScousePig]

In more personal news, I've developed a sore throat today and feel quite run down, two days before going back into school. After only having Covid less than a month ago, I'm not quite sure what to do.

[ScousePig]

More or less, by two days?

No, because their five days is from when you test positive, whereas ours is from when you developed symptoms.

I think.

[Shindig]

Lateral flow it and let the line decide.

[ScousePig]

It would seem the obvious thing to do Shindig, but you're not supposed to test for 90 days unless you get symptoms. Is a sore throat a symptom?

[niko_cee]

Covid was England's third biggest cause of death last month. Would it not be worth tackling that?

Is there a breakdown of statistics on the number of people who die with high blood pressure, because, at this point it sort of feels a bit unfair comparing 'death stats'.

I guess we're very much two years in now and the initial, utilitarian, 'herd immunity' was still probably the right call, until the stats wankers were allowed to run amok with their modelling. Even had we hit the alleged levels of death, other than the massive tragedy that might have been at a personal level for people, it probably would have had a rejuvenating effect on society. Imagine culling off all of the over 75s in one fell swoop? Pension crisis over. Property crisis over. Like a forest fire.

As it is, we've got hundreds of thousands of dead anyway and an entirely broken society/economy. Good times.

[Manc]

How on earth has somone (Spikey) posted more in this thread than Yev?

[Shindig]

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/november2021

There's the breakdowns. Granted, there's not much between them. Dementia does 12%, Ischaemic heart disease does 10%, Covid does 7% ish.

[Shindig]

It would seem the obvious thing to do Shindig, but you're not supposed to test for 90 days unless you get symptoms. Is a sore throat a symptom?

With it presenting more as a cold these days, maybe? I dunno. I'd probably just leave it.

[Yevrah]

No, because their five days is from when you test positive, whereas ours is from when you developed symptoms.

I think.

Are they the same thing if you have no symptoms?

[randomlegend]

What would you choose if mass isolation of NHS staff meant there was a choice of having a staff member post 5 days covid or having not enough staff member there for the kid with cancer?

It's a matter of degrees isn't it. If there's literally 0 available staff and you're deciding between a person who's 5 days post and one who's 3 days post, then obviously 5 days. If you're talking (as the scenario realistically usually is) choosing between being short-staffed or having someone 5 days post, then I'd choose to be short-staffed.

[Yevrah]

Is there a breakdown of statistics on the number of people who die with high blood pressure, because, at this point it sort of feels a bit unfair comparing 'death stats'.

I guess we're very much two years in now and the initial, utilitarian, 'herd immunity' was still probably the right call, until the stats wankers were allowed to run amok with their modelling. Even had we hit the alleged levels of death, other than the massive tragedy that might have been at a personal level for people, it probably would have had a rejuvenating effect on society. Imagine culling off all of the over 75s in one fell swoop? Pension crisis over. Property crisis over. Like a forest fire.

As it is, we've got hundreds of thousands of dead anyway and an entirely broken society/economy. Good times.

The herd immunity plan was always complete nonsense (and would have genuinely led to bodies piling up), but we've gone so far the other way now that I almost sympathise with the argument.

[Dquincy]

It's a matter of degrees isn't it. If there's literally 0 available staff and you're deciding between a person who's 5 days post and one who's 3 days post, then obviously 5 days. If you're talking (as the scenario realistically usually is) choosing between being short-staffed or having someone 5 days post, then I'd choose to be short-staffed.

Fair enough. I guess it depends on how seriously they are short-staffed and overstretched. This is always difficult for us general public to comprehend as the media will portray this every winter (with or without rona).

[Yevrah]

There is nothing in the current Covid data to suggest new curbs are needed in England at this stage, ministers say.

Brings a tear to the eye.

[Dquincy]

Paging Don.

http://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-couple-with-four-children-die-on-same-day-after-contracting-coronavirus-and-family-encourages-others-to-get-vaccinated-12507593

[Shindig]

It's one of the problems I've had to deal with on the phones at work. We cancelled on some bloke because the HP was unavailable to the assessment and during the phone call he says, "Well, this has been going on for two years. Surely you have a contingency plan?" I wasn't going to tell him that a four month wait for an assessment was two months ahead of most or that we always have problems retaining HPs. Turns out assessing claimants will always burn people out. And it's not like you can pick someone off the street to do that.

[randomlegend]

Fair enough. I guess it depends on how seriously they are short-staffed and overstretched. This is always difficult for us general public to comprehend as the media will portray this every winter (with or without rona).

I mean, every winter IS bad. It really is. I think if anything the general public would be shocked if they saw what it's really like behind the scenes sometimes.

Whatever you have in your head, I guarantee it's worse.

[Giggles]

2 new pages?

I’ve only skimmed so not paid much attention but did Yev really say he thinks you have to be coughing and spluttering to be contagious?

[Yevrah]

2 new pages?

I’ve only skimmed so not paid much attention but did Yev really say he thinks you have to be coughing and spluttering to be contagious?

No, I didn't. Once again you demonstrate your complete inability to read or bother engaging properly. Sigh.

[Dquincy]

2 new pages?

I’ve only skimmed so not paid much attention but did Yev really say he thinks you have to be coughing and spluttering to be contagious?

But did you see the two blondes?

[Giggles]

No, I didn't. Once again you demonstrate your complete inability to read or bother engaging properly. Sigh.

What’s having it “in a minor way” then?

Sigh.
Chortle.
Guffaw.

[Giggles]

But did you see the two blondes?

I seen they were from Glasgow so didn’t press play to save my ears bleeding.

[Yevrah]

What’s having it “in a minor way” then?

Sigh.
Chortle.
Guffaw.

Read the thread properly and actually quote some posts you utter yeast infection. Oh, I forgot, you can't do it, can you? You're incapable.

[Giggles]

It’s more a case of not wanting to at this stage because you get so uptight about it. Utter yeast infection is definitely getting robbed though :D

[ScousePig]

Are they the same thing if you have no symptoms?

BBC News - Covid: Workplaces told to plan for absences of up to 25%
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59848109

[Dquincy]

BBC News - Covid: Workplaces told to plan for absences of up to 25%
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-59848109

Can you please do a test for us and report back? I'm sure it'll be fine.

[ScousePig]

Can you please do a test for us and report back? I'm sure it'll be fine.

It's negative.

[Dquincy]

https://c.tenor.com/x8eBbUiF4RYAAAAC/yes-sweet.gif

[Shindig]

"Well, unfortunately, you're cleared to go into the office." The testers at work crack this classic every time I come in.

[ScousePig]

I'm relieved partly as I'd have felt a right dick having to let my SLT know that I was positive again just a month after my last one. From an academic point of view, the start of December was a pretty good time to be off; the start of January would have been a bit of a nightmare.

[Magic]

Our economy and public services are falling apart because of the 10 day isolation thing. :harold:

[Foe]

Had my booster today and it was another moderna.

Fuck off.

Was reliably informed by my pals they got Pfizer.

RIP tomorrow.

[Giggles]

They’re pretty much the same thing aren’t they?

[randomlegend]

Anecdotally the moderna and pfizer side effects seem to be much of a muchness.

[Pepe]

I got my booster and had zero effect. Not even a sore arm.

[Don]

Give it a few weeks to see how the heart reacts but hopefully literally zero effect.

[Pepe]

Hopefully. Will keep you posted.

[randomlegend]

I got my booster and had zero effect. Not even a sore arm.

No immune system RIP.

[Pepe]

Shit. :(

[Magic]

Had my booster today and it was another moderna.

Fuck off.

Was reliably informed by my pals they got Pfizer.

RIP tomorrow.

Vaccine snobbery. Losers.

[Queenslander]

Got the Pfizer booster this morning and it was packed with only a skeleton crew on I was in and out in 4 hours. :moop:

[Bernanke]

https://i.postimg.cc/hGyc716h/download-4.jpg

1478169324728639490

:baz:

[Lofty]

But did you see the two blondes?

Those two girls were willing to break the rules in order to bring in the new year getting rattled in a Carlisle hotel room, they are the real heroes in this situation not some old codger pushing a zimmer frame round his garden.

[Giggles]

Telling us to avoid shopping if possible yet opening schools tomorrow :face:

[niko_cee]

Aye, who needs education?

[Spikey M]

Can't have all those low risk kids posing a threat to pensioners. Only fair they sacrifice their futures so Doris can reach 90.

[Yevrah]

Quite. 2 years of disruption for the little vectors is clearly not enough.

[Shindig]

Aren't grandparents usually the first stop when you ask for childcare at short notice?

Oh. Wonder if they made much from that? (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59853848)

[Magic]

Have kids earlier then.

[Giggles]

Aye, who needs education?

None of them for the next few weeks if it's as "dire" as they're portraying.

[Spikey M]

Have kids earlier then.

The Scottish Model.

[Waffdon]

I never understood why folk have kids after like 35 ish. Imagine going for your pint at 18 with your old man and he’s nearly got a bus pass.

[Spikey M]

My Brother in Law was 40 when they had their last one. Mental.

[Waffdon]

A few of my mates at school had parents well into their 60s when they were half way through high school. Had older brothers/sisters double their age too. Fook that so much

[Dquincy]

For those cleverer than me (not many of you I'm sure we'd all agree), why is it that I've not caught covid but my wife and child have?

I ask as I've not yet had the 'all important' booster and I seem to be avoiding it at every turn despite not isolating, etc.

[Giggles]

I drew the line once I passed 30. Even that would have probably been too old for me.

[Waffdon]

My missus seems to be the only teacher in her schools not to have caught it even though she’s doing supply and hopping from one class to the other. I put it down to her having to proper Covid last year (jabs too etc) and thus having too good of an immune system for this fake one going around atm

[Spikey M]

For those cleverer than me (not many of you I'm sure we'd all agree), why is it that I've not caught covid but my wife and child have?

I ask as I've not yet had the 'all important' booster and I seem to be avoiding it at every turn despite not isolating, etc.

You will still have some protection from your jabs. Also, some people just don't catch it. It's basically the same as when one of you has a cold. The other person doesn't always catch it.

[Giggles]

I had the butcher again the other day having his little rant (he forgot that he had already told me all this) that the vaccines were only a cod because if they worked nobody would have caught it. He's friendly enough with the wifes family so I just agreed with him and waited for my steak.

[Yevrah]

He sounds mental, but they sure as shit don't necessarily stop you catching it.

[Kikó]

I never understood why folk have kids after like 35 ish. Imagine going for your pint at 18 with your old man and he’s nearly got a bus pass.

What's with the passive aggression

[Giggles]

He sounds mental, but they sure as shit don't necessarily stop you catching it.

There's an alarming number of people I've found that believe that's exactly what they're supposed to do.

[Giggles]

What's with the passive aggression

I don't think he's talking about you specifically, though that's very on-brand.

[Dquincy]

You will still have some protection from your jabs. Also, some people just don't catch it. It's basically the same as when one of you has a cold. The other person doesn't always catch it.

Yeah you're probably right on the vax as normally I'd catch a cold if someone sneezed a mile away.

Either that or I've already had it without knowing that I've had it.

[Dquincy]

What's with the passive aggression

Sleep deprivation has kicked in I see.

[Spikey M]

"Careful with Daddy, his back will go again"

[Waffdon]

What's with the passive aggression

Exception to the rule etc etc

[Kikó]

I was only joking as well..

[Don]

Anyone having kids before 35 is quite clearly proper trashy takeaway dinners infront of the tele type scum.

[Dquincy]

It should be fine for a man of 40+ to have children, providing the mother is below 21 years of age.

[Giggles]

You'd be like some rapey old cunt down the school sports day.

[Dquincy]

:lol:

[niko_cee]

Australia waiving in Djokovic under some sort of medical exemption from having been vaccinated is pretty lol even by their standards. I know a few full to the eyeballs with vaccine people who were denied travel when the borders were supposed to have opened [to visit family not seen for years] due to their incompetent visa admin system. I know they have form for it with famous people, but it's a total outrage.

[niko_cee]

Also, obligatory lol at some 'Europeans' (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59867046).


Family friend Pierre-Jean Chalençon said they had left it too late to seek hospital treatment, deciding it was similar to flu. "People have said they were anti-vaxxers but they absolutely weren't," he told BFMTV. "Several friends told them to get themselves vaccinated but they felt because of their lifestyle and their [lack of] comorbidity, they weren't at risk of Covid."

:face:

[phonics]

Also, obligatory lol at some 'Europeans' (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59867046).



:face:

https://i.imgur.com/EVojgFI.png

[Shindig]

I bet the lads at the passport office are thrilled at the prospect of daily testing.

[Lofty]

My dad is knocking on for 60 with a 4 year old son.

[Lewis]

The local BBC news has been on for fifteen minutes, and every second of it has been calling for new restrictions, asking a doctor why he thinks the Prime Minister wants to 'gamble' with not doing so, moaning teachers... I'm sure the first BBC question when Johnson was on earlier was along the same lines. Imagine if this sort of shit was your only news content. No wonder people are mental.

[Pepe]

Mocking dead people is always a classy move.

[Giggles]

Mocking dead people is always a classy move.

Her demise celebrated twice in the one day and all. Classy.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The local BBC news has been on for fifteen minutes, and every second of it has been calling for new restrictions, asking a doctor why he thinks the Prime Minister wants to 'gamble' with not doing so, moaning teachers... I'm sure the first BBC question when Johnson was on earlier was along the same lines. Imagine if this sort of shit was your only news content. No wonder people are mental.

The ship has long since sailed even if you thought restrictions were a good idea, so at this point it's literally just wanting to interfere with people's lives for the sake of it, which, in fairness, since you-know-who has been sold as the main purpose of government.

[Kikó]

Mocking dead people is always a classy move.

As a fan of schadenfreude, that's class 👏👏👏

[Lewis]

The ship has long since sailed even if you thought restrictions were a good idea, so at this point it's literally just wanting to interfere with people's lives for the sake of it, which, in fairness, since you-know-who has been sold as the main purpose of government.

Let him have his knighthood, but then hang him. The Third Way.

[Yevrah]

Foe summed it up well on the previous page when he said that government interference should have stopped when the vaccine was deployed (and enough people had had it) - that it's still intervening and a significant proportion of people want even more interference is a complete joke.

As for the BBC, they've been a disgrace for well over a year on this.

[ScousePig]

The local BBC news has been on for fifteen minutes, and every second of it has been calling for new restrictions, asking a doctor why he thinks the Prime Minister wants to 'gamble' with not doing so, moaning teachers... I'm sure the first BBC question when Johnson was on earlier was along the same lines. Imagine if this sort of shit was your only news content. No wonder people are mental.

There's definitely a different feel from reading this message board and the other one I frequent to what it's like when you're in school.

It's kind of understandable, as when you're stuck inside a small classroom with 30+ kids and a few adults for 30 hours a week (not to mention 200+ assemblies and mixing with the rest of the staff in the staff room who have been with their own classes all day) it does put a slightly different perspective on it, even though I am in the 'let's just crack on with things' camp.

I'd say at the moment the feeling is more along the lines of an inevitable outbreak, but we'll see.

[Shindig]

The inevitability of catching this is the reason I held back on getting my booster.

[Jimmy Floyd]

There's definitely a different feel from reading this message board and the other one I frequent to what it's like when you're in school.

It's kind of understandable, as when you're stuck inside a small classroom with 30+ kids and a few adults for 30 hours a week (not to mention 200+ assemblies and mixing with the rest of the staff in the staff room who have been with their own classes all day) it does put a slightly different perspective on it, even though I am in the 'let's just crack on with things' camp.

I'd say at the moment the feeling is more along the lines of an inevitable outbreak, but we'll see.

Isn't that what a school is like every winter? A cold-ridden plague pit. It's just that this time the cold in question has the PM behind his lectern because pre-vaccinations it was a more dangerous disease for many.

[Dquincy]

Isn't that what a school is like every winter? A cold-ridden plague pit. It's just that this time the cold in question has the PM behind his lectern because pre-vaccinations it was a more dangerous disease for many.

It's also fair to say that a common cold would not put this many people in hospital.

However, the death rates seem down. Shall be interesting to see if that continues.

[Spikey M]

It would be interesting to see the child hospitalisation rates pre and post Covid. I can't imagine there's much in it.

[Don]

The inevitability of catching this is the reason I held back on getting my booster.

https://media.tenor.com/images/a00b9f1eb6610c39aa610758635efb76/tenor.gif

[Spikey M]

I missed that. U wot shinners.

[Magic]

Macron really is a turd, isn't he.

[Don]

Sounds like testing (no need for PCR after positive LFT for asymptomatic) and restrictions (testing for international travellers) are about to be eased. Allahukbar, we almost there, baby.

[Yevrah]

The SCIENCE wankers, aided by the media, are going to be intolerable over the next few days, but it does look like Boris is holding firm. :drool:

[Yevrah]

With shit like this:


Dr Mike Tildesley, from the University of Warwick and a member of the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Modelling group (Spi-M), told BBC Breakfast the next few days were key - although there was some cause for optimism.

"It does look like we may be in a situation where - we're getting cases very, very high - but there's early evidence that things might be turning around in London," he said.

"The problem, of course, is that if you're thinking about introducing controls, once you're beyond the peak of the infection, then that has much less effect."

:cab:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Had some quality heads-have-gone discourse with the bloke sitting next to me earlier. He's in a right tizzy about testing requirements for travellers being dropped. 'They could bring anything here!'

Imagine if these people talked about immigrants in this way.

[Lewis]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-59874561

:cab:

[Magic]

She said: "Why would I not give protection to the most precious thing in the world to me, my daughter, rather than run the risk of her turning round to me in five, 10, 15 years' time, saying 'Mum, I've got heart problems, I've got brain problems, I've got lung problems, why didn't you do all you could at the time to protect me'?"

Wait till she hears about the vaxxine side effects...:harold:

[Lewis]

I want to know what sort of VENTILATION people who are going mental think ought to be installed in schools. Short of massively intrusive industrial units, which might make teaching difficult, what would actually be better than opening windows? Are people just obsessing over it because it sounds like a clever technological solution?

[Magic]

Because its freezing.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I want to know what sort of VENTILATION people who are going mental think ought to be installed in schools. Short of massively intrusive industrial units, which might make teaching difficult, what would actually be better than opening windows? Are people just obsessing over it because it sounds like a clever technological solution?

They're obsessing over it because it's their only way in to bleating about schools (and the OUR CHILDREN emotive hook and consequent RTs/likes it provides) without demanding they be closed.

People like Deepti, 'Dr Zoe Hyde' etc have a market that needs content churned out.

[Lewis]

Yeah, but has anybody asked them what sort of systems they want in place? I don't have all these people on my Twitter feed. I only see them through people lolling at them, so I never follow the actual arguments.

[Yevrah]

Deepti only replies to people that agree with her so I doubt it.

[Dave.]

The Lateral Flow Tests are a steaming pile of wank. My wife took a test 7 days ago because she was going to visit an elderly relative and tested positive. On day 6, she tested negative. It's now day 7 and she has tested positive again. WTF?

[Yevrah]

The Lateral Flow Tests are a steaming pile of wank. My wife took a test 7 days ago because she was going to visit an elderly relative and tested positive. On day 6, she tested negative. It's now day 7 and she has tested positive again. WTF?

Bloke in my team had exactly the same thing, yet we've seen a resurgence lately in claims over their accuracy.

[Baz]

My dad is knocking on for 60 with a 4 year old son.Top shagger.

[Kikó]

The Lateral Flow Tests are a steaming pile of wank. My wife took a test 7 days ago because she was going to visit an elderly relative and tested positive. On day 6, she tested negative. It's now day 7 and she has tested positive again. WTF?

They're more likely to give you a false negative. That's partly been one of the issues with them.

Ventilation in schools (no I don't know what that looks like) should be improved if only for the reduction of co2 concentration leading to poorer cognitive function. See taz and magic to see the long term impacts.

[Don]

Poor guy crying into his Frankfurter at soon not having a mild excuse to link to research papers from medical journals he hasn't a clue about. Magic and I will pray for you tonight.

[Magic]

Ventilation in schools (no I don't know what that looks like) should be improved if only for the reduction of co2 concentration leading to poorer cognitive function.

This is what down the rabbit hole really looks like. :harold:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Yeah, but has anybody asked them what sort of systems they want in place? I don't have all these people on my Twitter feed. I only see them through people lolling at them, so I never follow the actual arguments.

No. It's not about having coherent threads of thought/developing actual policy. It's about getting likes/RTs.

I'd be well up for ventilation in all indoor spaces just to reduce the tyrannical power of small women/people wanting the heating turned up to volcanic.

[Lewis]

I saw Dr Julia Grace Patterson referred to as 'Waitrose Rachael Swindon' the other day and lolled out loud.

[Yevrah]

Macron really is a turd, isn't he.

Only just caught this.


French President Emmanuel Macron has been accused of using divisive, vulgar language after he used a slang term to say he wanted to make life difficult for unvaccinated people.

"I really want to piss them off, and we'll carry on doing this - to the end," he told Le Parisien newspaper.

He does realise what happens when you piss French people off, right?

If Europe are hell bent on going down this road it could well lead to disastrous consequences from right wing FREEDOM nutjob groups gaining ground.

[Pepe]

Ventilation in schools (no I don't know what that looks like) should be improved if only for the reduction of co2 concentration leading to poorer cognitive function.

You really should avoid talking about shit you don't know about.

[Kikó]

Oooh feisty. :rolleyes:

[Dave.]

They're more likely to give you a false negative. That's partly been one of the issues with them.

I have spoken to a few people and apparently results like these (negative on day 6 and positive on day 7) are not actually false results but an indication of less Covid/the Covid becoming less infectious. No idea how true this is but first time I've heard about it.

[Magic]

You know what else impairs cognitive function? Lack of sleep.

:henn0rz:

[Magic]

Only just caught this.



He does realise what happens when you piss French people off, right?

If Europe are hell bent on going down this road it could well lead to disastrous consequences from right wing FREEDOM nutjob groups gaining ground.

On this evidence Farage and the Brexit mob have pulled off a bit of a coup.

[Pepe]

You know what else impairs cognitive function? Lack of sleep.

:henn0rz:

Did you know that some studies suggest that sleep quality decreases with increased CO2 levels?

[Kikó]

You know what else impairs cognitive function? Lack of sleep.

:henn0rz:

She slept solidly last night. WE'RE BACK.

[Lewis]

You really should avoid talking about shit you don't know about.

*138 missed calls and 72 voice messages from The Group*

[Spikey M]

1478737205610827776?t=qNMneFjPKXmmQYCILDQ85g&s=19

Lol

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Glorious.

[Giggles]

Now that’s lovely.

[Magic]

It is indeed. I think any side can take lols from that.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think they realised it was better that way than to have a full fortnight of him being booed on and off court.

[Dquincy]

Some of you lot talking about adding ventilation into buildings like it's a straightforward and quick process. Not to mention the funding requirement.

It is all complete bollocks.

[Magic]

"I've got an HNC in architecture"

[Lofty]

Tattoo vaccine lad update:


https://i.ibb.co/Gxmqzb1/received-938678857086781.jpg

Going full Pistorius.

[Pepe]

Shit, those vaccines are no joke!

[Spikey M]

Jesus. :|

Has he seen a Dr yet?

[Foe]

RIP that leg.

Has he been to the doctor yet, or still adamant it’s covid related?

[Lofty]

He has a phone appointment tomorrow. I wanted to ask what his tattooist thinks now but decided against it.

[Boydy]

A phone appointment? I'd be at A&E if my leg looked like that.

[Spikey M]

Phone appointment. :D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

:lol:

RIP in pieces to his leg.

[Raoul Duke]

It's that IT Crowd gif of the guy emailing about a fire, but on some deviant's leg

[Manc]

:sick:

[Kikó]

That's fucking septic. Get to a&e you daft cunt.

Unless that's the tattoo and it looks cool. Is it a crator?

[Yevrah]

Yeah, he's gonna lose that and the tattooist his business likewise.

[-james-]

Yeah, he's gonna lose that and the tattooist his business likewise.

Reasonable chance that the tattooist did nothing wrong. If you're a retard and don't keep a fresh tattoo clean/covered you can easily end up with the above.

[Don]

Judging from his leg acne, I reckon he's got your average gammon hygiene standards, walking round with shit-smeared crusty arseholes and whatnot. Poor tattooist.

[Lofty]

Reasonable chance that the tattooist did nothing wrong. If you're a retard and don't keep a fresh tattoo clean/covered you can easily end up with the above.

True but he asked the tattooist a week after it had started turning funny and was advised it was the vaccine innit.

Laddo has rang 111 and been told to attend A&E immediately. No word if they have primed the bonesaw yet.

[Giggles]

Reasonable chance that the tattooist did nothing wrong. If you're a retard and don't keep a fresh tattoo clean/covered you can easily end up with the above.

If he has a leg like that and is waiting on a phone appointment with a doctor tomorrow then you’re doing retards a disservice.

[Giggles]

Judging from his leg acne, I reckon he's got your average gammon hygiene standards, walking round with shit-smeared crusty arseholes and whatnot. Poor tattooist.

One of your lot calling out hygiene. I’ve heard it all now :D

[7om]

That needs a vascular surgeon immediately. Go to A&E.

[Shindig]

I missed that. U wot shinners.

I literally caught it so I can't have the booster for another week.

[ScousePig]

Isn't that what a school is like every winter? A cold-ridden plague pit. It's just that this time the cold in question has the PM behind his lectern because pre-vaccinations it was a more dangerous disease for many.

The difference being that usually people aren't worried about going home to granny and killing her off.

Whether that's justified or not is another matter.

[ScousePig]

They're more likely to give you a false negative. That's partly been one of the issues with them.

Ventilation in schools (no I don't know what that looks like) should be improved if only for the reduction of co2 concentration leading to poorer cognitive function. See taz and magic to see the long term impacts.

We've been given co2 monitors for each classroom recently.

[Spikey M]

I literally caught it so I can't have the booster for another week.

Ah, OK. I thought you were saying you weren't getting it because you would catch it. :D

[Pepe]

We've been given co2 monitors for each classroom recently.

To do what with them?

[Giggles]

To do what with them?

Monitor CO2.

[Pepe]

Monitor CO2.

To do what with the data?

[Giggles]

To do what with the data?

Like most things, absolutely fuck all I’d think.

[Lewis]

Big Fossil Fuel shilling in real time here. It grows plants and makes your drinks fizzy oh does it lad what about the kids?

[Spikey M]

"There's alot of Co2 in here, gents. A little less breathing up back please. The methane has just spiked. Who laid one? Wearing your mask is like keeping a fart in your trousers, if I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times!"

[Jimmy Floyd]

One of my bigger worries (well, if I'm being a citizen; really my biggest worry is whether or not there's milk in the fridge) would be how many heads-have-gone teachers, of various denominations, are currently infecting kids up and down the country with their absolute bullshit.

[Pepe]

Big Fossil Fuel shilling in real time here. It grows plants and makes your drinks fizzy oh does it lad what about the kids?

:D

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