Coronavirus Death Thread

[Spikey M]

Elsewhere in Europe (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59524527)

:D

"The case borders on the ridiculous, if it were not for the fact we are talking about a gesture of enormous gravity,"

For fuck sake :D

[niko_cee]

"If I go with this, will they notice? Maybe beneath the silicone I'll even put on some extra clothes to avoid the needle reaching my real arm,"

He must have looked like the hulk.

[Giggles]

You're an odd sort.

Would you see this gone tomorrow given the choice? It doesn't strike me as you would, to be honest.

It's also fascinating how 'peoples' who are so intrinsically similar can so profoundly misunderstand each other, and I say that appreciating it fully cuts both ways.

Ah really? You can nearly hear most of you bristle with excitement every time a good few "Europeans" die. It's all mixed in with Brexit and all that guff, but as I said it's absolutely fascinating to an outsider to witness. Also oddly admirable with a bit of pity thrown in, but mostly the former. You're absolutely batshit as a country now and it's going to be class to see where you go.

[Spikey M]

Going from this:


I think a lot of the stiff upper lip backlash to any sort of restrictions is that they'd be happier if their own died so long as other countries do too. I'd actually reckon a lot of British would, given the option of this disappearing tomorrow or not, choose the latter in the hope more "Europeans" get it bad. A fascinating mindset really and probably the final remnants of the empire.

To this:


You're absolutely batshit as a country now and it's going to be class to see where you go.

:happycry:

I don't even know what's triggered you ffs.

[Magic]

We just hate unhealthy fat people. Regardless of nationality.

[Giggles]

We just hate unhealthy fat people. Regardless of nationality.

Yeah, looks like it.

[Spikey M]

I can only speak for myself, but I just found the 'elephant in the room" reply a savage (as the kids would say) gag. I'm not laughing at her for nearly dying. Christ, you must really hate Frankie Boyle.

[niko_cee]

I believe the correct Waffle-ism here is OBSESSED.

'Outsider'

:roflol:

[Don]

Giggles' wall-to-wall toxicity tonight has been a joy.

The state of that thing in that vid too :D

[Jimmy Floyd]

No one in England gives a shit about the empire. What peoples of the former empire (there is a huge amount of this on the subcontinent as well as Ireland) always forget when they put forward this idea that we're all lusting after the empire is that we never experienced the empire. That was you alone, and unfortunately that makes it entirely your problem how you want to deal with it now.

[Queenslander]

It wont happen here in my lifetime as it takes a lot of money to get the conversation going and almost nobody cares because the place is either on fire or under an oceans worth of water.

[Giggles]

No one in England gives a shit about the empire. What peoples of the former empire (there is a huge amount of this on the subcontinent as well as Ireland) always forget when they put forward this idea that we're all lusting after the empire is that we never experienced the empire. That was you alone, and unfortunately that makes it entirely your problem how you want to deal with it now.

Nah that old chestnut doesn’t wash any more but routinely trotting it out again shows one of the main cores of the problem; the complete inability to look inward. During all this you’ve become completely toxic as a people. And lets be honest you were never starting from a high bar to begin with.

[Spikey M]

You're branding an entire nation bloodthirsty psychopaths, but we're the toxic ones.

7:27 and that might be enough TTH for today already.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Nah that old chestnut doesn’t wash any more but routinely trotting it out again shows one of the main cores of the problem; the complete inability to look inward. During all this you’ve become completely toxic as a people. And lets be honest you were never starting from a high bar to begin with.

Your problem. Not ours.

[Shindig]

I used to think Henry was a bit extreme but Giggles has surpassed him.

[Magic]

That Arthur Hughes case man my god. Threatening to arrest concerned family members under breaking bovid rules...

[Boydy]

Good read on omicron here: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v43/n24/rupert-beale/on-omicron?s=09

[Lewis]

That Arthur Hughes case man my god. Threatening to arrest concerned family members under breaking bovid rules...

I nearly bumped Shameful Lustage but couldn't get a decent screenshot off the bodycam footage.

[Shindig]

That Arthur Hughes case man my god. Threatening to arrest concerned family members under breaking bovid rules...

To be fair, the kid's mother is a convicted murderer. :uhoh:

[Giggles]

Your problem. Not ours.

Stubborn or deluded, but mostly wrong.

You’re like the school bully who’s now 52, has nobody and is roundly disliked, yet still firmly believes the people he was robbing money off and beating up are to blame. And given the chance they’d still do it all again.

[Andrew]

Could this Omicron variant actually turn out to be the end of this bullshittery?

Coronavirus mutations usually tend to make it good at one thing and one thing only?

So if that's the case if it's really good at spreading around the globe but crap at killing us then we will all have a mild illness and herd immunity will finally be on the cards.

[-james-]

Stubborn or deluded, but mostly wrong.

You’re like the school bully who’s now 52, has nobody and is roundly disliked, yet still firmly believes the people he was robbing money off and beating up are to blame. And given the chance they’d still do it all again.

:console:

[Yevrah]

Could this Omicron variant actually turn out to be the end of this bullshittery?

Coronavirus mutations usually tend to make it good at one thing and one thing only?

So if that's the case if it's really good at spreading around the globe but crap at killing us then we will all have a mild illness and herd immunity will finally be on the cards.

Sound logic, but we've gone well past the point where logic is being applied. Delta should have seen the end of the nonsense really and let's not forget a fuckton of chancer scientists were warning of armageddon if we opened up five months ago. That didn't happen (which should have seen the end of most of the FEAR of this thing without a fucking good reason), yet here we are again.

[Don]

Omicron could put us back to square one, don't sleep on it.

[Yevrah]

Just been chatting with my Sister and she told me that they're testing all secondary school kids (bar those that have had COVID) with LFT in January before there'll let them back in school, meaning school starts five days later to manage this shitshow.

You hear that and there really is no other explanation I can think of beyond people making an absolute killing from it.

[Manc]

Broken Britain.

[niko_cee]

I don't understand how that means school has to start 5 days later. It's literally a 10 minute self-administered thing. Do they have to individually supervise every kid doing it? All of my kids are testing daily with LFTs before school as they are repeatedly being pinged as contacts of other cases [in their classes] as they roll in, and the roll is considerable at the moment. I'm starting to think we must all have had it at some point [one has for certain].

[Yevrah]

I don't understand how that means school has to start 5 days later. It's literally a 10 minute self-administered thing. Do they have to individually supervise every kid doing it? All of my kids are testing daily with LFTs before school as they are repeatedly being pinged as contacts of other cases [in their classes] as they roll in, and the roll is considerable at the moment. I'm starting to think we must all have had it at some point [one has for certain].

Apparently the school is doing it, parents aren't allowed to. My nephew gets to go in only 3 days later without being tested as he's just had it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Asked if the UK was closer to the start of the pandemic than the end, Prof Paul Hunter tells BBC Breakfast he "wouldn't necessarily agree totally with that".

"I think this virus is around [and] going to be around forever," he says.

"The last time we had a big coronavirus outbreak we think was 130 years ago and that virus is still circulating, we get infected with it fairly regularly, every three to six years, and it basically just causes the common cold.

"That is likely the way that this pandemic is going, so we will be repeatedly infected with Covid, we will be repeatedly infected with new variants but by and large, they'll just be another cause of the common cold."

When asked about Christmas, he says there are actually fewer interactions between people over the festive break than during the working week, so he does not think family gatherings are "under threat".

And on stopping future variants, Hunter says we must make sure every vulnerable person around the world is vaccinated, but this “hasn’t happened to any great degree”.

Finally someone whose head hasn't gone.

[Don]

Geezer's part of the 'it's just the flu' camp. Cancel him, please.

[CJay]

My best mate has fully gone down the rabbit hole. Fully onboard with the idea that our government is trying to control us. :happycry: He was posting a link of some random undertaker saying the bodies he was seeing were looking unusual. The undertaker's name? John O'Looney. :lol:

Amazing to me that noted best buddies the UK, US, EU, Russia, China, etc. are all doing the same thing (lockdowns, vaccinations) but people really think this is planned or some sort of global effort.

[Yevrah]

Finally someone whose head hasn't gone.

That sounds very much like when the BBC book an arty type for Question Time only to find out they're massively right wing. I doubt he'll appear again.

[randomlegend]

If we get a variant which is much less virulent (my understanding is early signs look like omicron might be less virulent), I wonder if it would be better to let it spread and become the dominant strain. I have no idea but it's an interesting thought. I'll ask someone who knows about viruses when I'm next at work and report back.

Sorry to leave you all in such suspense.

[Yevrah]

I'd be willing to bet decent money that we'll never let a variant run wild, there are too many feeding from the trough now to do that.

[niko_cee]

*changes facebook status to boosted*

:cool:

[Kikó]

At the trough? Big farmer strikes again.

[Shindig]

I'd be willing to bet decent money that we'll never let a variant run wild, there are too many feeding from the trough now to do that.

Just to recap:

Kent variant - Found in September 2020. Spread like wildfire. Dominant strain. The wave it triggered lasted til December-ish 2020.
Delta variant - Hit whilst Kent was still doing it's thing. Wave lasted until February 2021. Dominant strain. Still dominant and pumping cases out at present.

We've done nothing but let variants run wild. If Omicron overhauls Delta, so be it. We've got vaccines and the majority of the populus is not starting from 0 with regards to immunity.

[Yevrah]

Just to recap:

Kent variant - Found in September 2020. Spread like wildfire. Dominant strain. The wave it triggered lasted til December-ish 2020.
Delta variant - Hit whilst Kent was still doing it's thing. Wave lasted until February 2021. Dominant strain. Still dominant and pumping cases out at present.

We've done nothing but let variants run wild. If Omicron overhauls Delta, so be it. We've got vaccines and the majority of the populus is not starting from 0 with regards to immunity.

I was assuming RL meant not bother testing and maybe not even bother boosting. I'm sure he'll correct me if I was wrong.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If there's a variant that is transmissible but not severe, then it might well be worth taking some short term pain for long term gain. Obviously no one in decision-making positions will ever see it that way, as they are short-term beasts.

[Yevrah]

At the trough? Big farmer strikes again.

If you can think of another and better reason why we still have utterly bonkers restrictions and pointless testing in place the World over, neither of which are showing any signs of stopping, after the most successful vaccine rollout in all of human history, then I'm all ears.

There has to be a reason for this continued nonsense, money is the go to answer for everything else, why wouldn't it be with this?

[Shindig]

If there's a variant that is transmissible but not severe, then it might well be worth taking some short term pain for long term gain. Obviously no one in decision-making positions will ever see it that way, as they are short-term beasts.

It's shame South Africa's a former Dutch colony rather than a British one. It's definitely taking off over there like Delta did with us.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Pretty sure South Africa's a former British colony.

[Yevrah]

It's definitely taking off over there like Delta did with us.

Well it will do, pandemic's gonna pandemic.

Maybe, just maybe, the SCIENCE that can never be questioned should consider vaccinating much more of the 2nd and 3rd World before boosting young people and 2nd jabbing actual children here. Money's not a driving force for this, so we can just give it to them, right?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Some first rate heads-have-gone in the reply here, from a blue tick healthcare professor:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF4cCkjXMA0DGP7?format=jpg&name=medium

[Lewis]

Pre-2020 these sorts of people were regularly pushing absolutely demented shit like treating vaping like smoking and degrading the food supply. It's just that nobody noticed until suddenly everywhere serves crappy Coke Zero to save on sugar taxes.

[Yevrah]

Disappointed in Burkeman there. No one needs to eat on a short haul flight or in a pub for that matter, therefore all forms of eating and drinking on shorter flights and all of hospitality should be banned.

[Yevrah]

Pre-2020 these sorts of people were regularly pushing absolutely demented shit like treating vaping like smoking and degrading the food supply. It's just that nobody noticed until suddenly everywhere serves crappy Coke Zero to save on sugar taxes.

This whole debacle has given SCIENCE a much louder voice than it should sadly ever have. Can you imagine what life would be like if these utter nutters were in actual power?

[Shindig]

Pretty sure South Africa's a former British colony.

So it is. How come we didn't get an Ajax feeder team out of that? :D

[Spikey M]

Some first rate heads-have-gone in the reply here, from a blue tick healthcare professor:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FF4cCkjXMA0DGP7?format=jpg&name=medium

Sarcasm? It is sarcasm, right?

[Yevrah]

Sarcasm? It is sarcasm, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trisha_Greenhalgh Doesn't look like the CV of someone who deals in sarcasm.

It's funny how I'm supposedly the mad one for saying these people are dangerous, but there it is, someone with nearly forty years of professional experience in science, suggesting we need behavioural change to not talk while we eat in public.

[Yevrah]

She also seems to think this will help stop the pandemic, or reduce its life:

https://i.postimg.cc/8zTrtfZd/Trisha.png (https://postimages.org/)

Where's Caprice when you need her?

[Magic]

Yes look where we are...

[Yevrah]

Yes look where we are...

That part wasn't lost on me either, these people are the worst vaccine efficacy deniers going.

[Shindig]

I'm going to guess all of Trisha's meals are sucked up through a straw.

[Spikey M]

There's been alot of dangerous people on both sides getting attention during all this but she might be the worst. That is genuine insanity.

[wullie]

While in need of refining, Trisha's plan for everyone to shut the fuck up isn't a bad one.

[Pepe]

Profile picture with mask on tells you everything that you need to know. This is their identity. The pandemic is the only thing that gives meaning to their shitty lives.

[Yevrah]

There's been alot of dangerous people on both sides getting attention during all this

While that's very true, the nutters on the other side (and let's be clear, they're fucking nutters) aren't terrifying people into not doing normal things in their daily lives or influencing government policy, which are the two key things keeping this shitshow going. Well, bar the money side, but I'll forget that for now.

[Shindig]

Yeah, nothing dangerous about dragging people off ventilators and hospital wards ...

[Don]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/06/new-york-city-vaccine-mandate-private-employers

:rotate:

[Pepe]

One shot will be required for children aged five to 11, who are not covered by the current mandate, De Blasio said.

That can fuck right off.


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:harold:

[Yevrah]

Yeah, nothing dangerous about dragging people off ventilators and hospital wards ...

Not what I said, but you carry on being happy with where we are.

Essentially when this started the FREEDOM and DENIAL nutters were massively in the lead, but the media has actually done pretty well to shut them out of legitimate conversation. Moving forward 18 months and the SCIENCE nutters are running riot and being given airtime to do it.

[Lewis]

You think people are mental here and then you read about abroad, and it turns out we're currently the least spastic of the [comparable country] bunch. Europe has gone all fascist again, and America have just turned it into yet another mong issue. Well done us at last.

[Yevrah]

That can fuck right off.

You wouldn't be vaccinating kids?

[Yevrah]

You think people are mental here and then you read about abroad, and it turns out we're currently the least spastic of the [comparable country] bunch. Europe has gone all fascist again, and America have just turned it into yet another mong issue. Well done us at last.

Yep. I posted a link a few days ago of regulations around Europe and there's some absolute gold there.

[Spikey M]

I don't know enough about what most countries are up to but I find it very hard to believe we're the least spasticated by any metric at the moment. We've been at peak spasticity for a fair while now.

[Jimmy Floyd]

We are very 'liberal' on most covid issues when compared to Europe. They're all balls deep in things like compulsory vaccination, curfews, the works. Yesterday's snooker final with a packed audience couldn't have happened in any other European country, I don't think.

[Spikey M]

We're also very Liberal on being run by an actual criminal that governs on the basis of which contracts his mates want. We may not be in lockdown, but I don't think we're winning any leadership contests here.

[niko_cee]

Giggles is going to be getting all sorts of notifications off this last page.

[Yevrah]

I don't know enough about what most countries are up to but I find it very hard to believe we're the least spasticated by any metric at the moment. We've been at peak spasticity for a fair while now.

This was from two weeks ago and it's only getting worse.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/why-countries-europe-lockdown-coronavirus-22237786

[Spikey M]

Giggles is going to be getting all sorts of notifications off this last page.

I'm on his side on this one, you Empire shagging flag nonces.

[Yevrah]

You know the restrictions in Ireland are ludicrous when a man who routinely wears two masks is laughing at them.

[Jimmy Floyd]

We're also very Liberal on being run by an actual criminal that governs on the basis of which contracts his mates want. We may not be in lockdown, but I don't think we're winning any leadership contests here.

Half of Europe will be the same or worse, we just don't know about them as our media has no interest in non-English speaking countries.

[Pepe]

You wouldn't be vaccinating kids?

Since Covid represents basically zero risk to five to eleven year olds, no I would not be vaccinating kids.

[Yevrah]

Since Covid represents basically zero risk to five to eleven year olds, no I would not be vaccinating kids.

Completely agree. Also makes me lol how I vividly remember us (adults) all being told that one dose wasn't very good and you needed your second one.

[Pepe]

Indeed. If you think that children are in danger and therefore should be vaccinated, then why not give them two doses like everyone else? If you think that they are not in danger (they are not), then why force them to vaccinate?

[phonics]

Half of Europe will be the same or worse, we just don't know about them as our media has no interest in non-English speaking countries.

Eg: President of Switzerland went to jail for 5 years a few weeks ago. Sarkozy is under house arrest for blowing up Gaddafi to cover up all the bribes he was taking off him. The Spanish royal family are deep in it.

At least they prosecute them. This lot over here think actually charging anyone with a posh accent for their crimes as a bit gauche.

[Boydy]

Britain is currently trying to criminalise protest, have ministers throw out legal rulings they don't like and the home secretary wants to let people drown migrants in the channels but we're not requiring people to get a vaccine so lol at the fascists in Europe.

[Yevrah]

Indeed. If you think that children are in danger and therefore should be vaccinated, then why not give them two doses like everyone else? If you think that they are not in danger (they are not), then why force them to vaccinate?

Probably best I don't answer that question.

[Yevrah]

Britain is currently trying to criminalise protest, have ministers throw out legal rulings they don't like and the home secretary wants to let people drown migrants in the channels but we're not requiring people to get a vaccine so lol at the fascists in Europe.

We are far from perfect, but since the vaccine rolled along we've been miles ahead of Europe at dealing with this.

[Spikey M]

Fond memories of nearly getting run off the board for wondering whether vaccinating my kids against this was worth while.

[Spikey M]

We are far from perfect, but since the vaccine rolled along we've been miles ahead of Europe at dealing with this.

That's a bit like being the Portsmouth Team that won the Community Sheild then got Relegated.

[Yevrah]

Fond memories of nearly getting run off the board for wondering whether vaccinating my kids against this was worth while.

Yep, it's what happens with SCIENCE. Any dissent is punished by accusations of you being an idiot or a denier. Until the science agrees with you, then it's fine.

[Yevrah]

That's a bit like being the Portsmouth Team that won the Community Sheild then got Relegated.

Surely the other way around.

[Spikey M]

https://assets.change.org/photos/2/wv/pd/yQwVPdSJDxLIvyV-800x450-noPad.jpg?1530296039

"Least restrictions in Europe!"

*Child poverty on the rise
*homelessness on the rise
*foodbanks struggling to provide
*working people having to use them
*growing wealth divide

[Yevrah]

Oh I see. I was going for shit start and then much better. All through the sphere of COVID only.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Think that's the whole western world. There are many things we are shit at (most of them to do with under-investment in infrastructure), but usually it's not the things that people think we are shit at.

Housing. We're shit at that.

[phonics]

It's way way worse and the steady increase has been way more visible here for nigh on a decade. No need to lie to yourself.

[Magic]

I overheard a bunch of old wankers discussing vaccination and passports. It was the older women that were all for it where as the blokes were against.

They were all at least 65 possibly older, had just polished off a brutal pub grub 3 courser and were necking brandy.

[phonics]

Can we make the vaccine passports blue and get everyone to shut the fuck up?

[mikem]

That can fuck right off.



:harold:

Lol, the only “heads are not gone” response to the outgoing mayor of New York is to ignore it. This is an actual zero risk of changing your life situation. Covid and kids is non-zero but minuscule.

[Spikey M]

"Javid to give update as Omicron cases top 300".

Right, so it's spreading in the general population then. Stop fucking about with flights and adding on special rules for Omicron cases. The horse is in the field, stop pissing about with the stable door.

[Magic]

Christmas lockdown ahoy.

[Lewis]

He'll be smacking his Muslim lips at the thought of cancelling Christmas.

[Spikey M]

Is there anyone that would actually comply at this point? I mean there's Professor SILENCE and her kin, but she's presumably spending it alone anyway (not for the first time).

[7om]

I certainly wouldn’t comply with a Christmas lockdown. They can shove that idea.

[Yevrah]

Mr Javid said he could not guarantee the variant would not "knock us off our road to recovery", and the window between infection and infectiousness may be shorter for Omicron.

Two things about that.

While we should be on the road to recovery, we're manifestly not, choosing instead to stay another night at the same hotel after getting viciously pissed the night before and even if we were on said road, of course he can't guarantee this will knock us off it.

The reporting on this. FFS.

[Adramelch]

In other news, following a question regarding serious covid patients being treated/intubated in hospital hallways in Greece (because there's nowhere near enough ICU beds), the prime minister stated that "there's no evidence that patients treated outside of ICU are more likely to die than those treated in ICU".

#science

[niko_cee]

Presumably most covid deaths [in hospital at least] come in ICU.

#ventilateanddie

[Spikey M]

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https://i.ibb.co/mNgLR5n/Screenshot-20211206-220959-Brave.jpg

[Yevrah]

That tweet led me to this - seemingly another medical professional with a perfectly sane take on how things should be.

https://i.postimg.cc/52hhjTSt/MD.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Queenslander]

The hard border with NSW comes down on the 13th with vaccine passports etc coming into play on the 17th.

I look forward to the anti vax fallout when they find themselves locked out of all the fun places.

[7om]

I’d get off Twitter altogether, Yev. Nothing good can come from going down the rabbit hole with them lunatics.

[Yevrah]

Thankfully (bar FIFA screenies) I only ever use it when I see it linked here.

[John Arne]

Parity.

https://gyazo.com/b97d737407bdd2b19ac517c7fdcace12.jpeg

[Kikó]

Adam Brooks is another boring bastard.

[Spikey M]

I'm sure this happened last time I posted something by a blue tick I've never heard of. Theresa May was trending, I clicked it and that was the first tweet. No matter who tweeted it and no matter how big a twat he may or may not be, Old Terry May sprechen die wahrheit.

[Kikó]

I enjoyed the Teresa May stuff. Still a babe.

[Yevrah]

It is too soon to assume Omicron is milder than Delta, the variant currently dominant in the UK, a scientist says.

Dr Jeffrey Barrett, director of the Covid-19 genomics initiative at the Wellcome Sanger Institute, says he believes Omicron is now spreading faster than Delta and will take over as the UK's dominant variant "within a matter of weeks".

Some experts have suggested Omicron may be less likely to cause serious disease than previous variants - but Dr Barret tells BBC Radio 4's Today programme it is too early to make this assumption.

He adds that even if only a small proportion of people get seriously ill with Omicron, "a small faction of a really big number can still cause problems".

It's quite staggering how glass half empty these people are. Potentially causes less severe disease you say? Even if it does, LOOK AT THE NUMBERS!!!!

[Jimmy Floyd]

I mean, it's a legitimate concern in a sense. Let's say 5% of Delta infected go to hospital, and it's down to 2% with Omicron - you only need Omicron to be 3x as transmissible for that to mean a 20% increase in absolute admissions.

[Yevrah]

And we'd still have less than 10,000 people in hospital compared to the near 40,000 in Jan or the 15,000 this time last year.

[Baz]

And we'd still have less than 10,000 people in hospital compared to the near 40,000 in Jan or the 15,000 this time last year.Which was a disaster.

Just because it’s lower it doesn’t mean it’s positive.

[Spikey M]

Ours is booked for next week (it's lunch at a Toby Carvery :happycry:). Hoping for some late in the day policy changes to save me.

https://i.ibb.co/7rBR5jv/20211207-105023.jpg

https://c.tenor.com/Mjkg_7TwXaQAAAAC/arsenal-manchester-city.gif

[Yevrah]

Which was a disaster.

Just because it’s lower it doesn’t mean it’s positive.

It'd be less than 25% lower, or in other words, absolutely manageable.

[Pepe]

Very nice of Toby.

[Shindig]

It'd be less than 25% lower, or in other words, absolutely manageable.

Manageable. (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/27/nhs-backlog-disproportionately-affecting-england-most-deprived)

We're still deferring treatments.

[Yevrah]

Manageable. (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/sep/27/nhs-backlog-disproportionately-affecting-england-most-deprived)

We're still deferring treatments.

And we're also now deferring routine check ups of the over 75s because of the resources being put into COVID. It works both ways.

[Shindig]

Isn't that technically the same way?

[Yevrah]

https://www.cityam.com/pfizer-accused-of-funding-anti-astrazeneca-information/


US drugmaker Pfizer, the world’s dominant Covid vaccine maker, has been accused of funding educational presentations that said its UK rival AstraZeneca was ineffective and even dangerous for some members of the population.

A Channel 4 Dispatches investigation due to be broadcast this week says it has “uncovered evidence” that Pfizer funded a number of educational presentations that were delivered to health professionals across Canada about its mRNA vaccine.


DEFINITELY not about money.

[Magic]

The Spanish healthcare workers party story. :D

[Spikey M]

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[Jimmy Floyd]

Rib tickler after rib tickler.

They are in bother over this party. That and the Pen Farthing revelations should probably kill Boris (but won't).

[Lewis]

The piss poor coverup annoys me more than the party itself. I was expecting things to be useless post-Cummings, but fucking hell not this useless.

[Yevrah]

What are the Pen Farthing revelations?

[Spikey M]

I'm wondering if they're just seeing how far they can push it at this point. They'll have Gove on stage injecting heroin at the next briefing.

[Spikey M]

What are the Pen Farthing revelations?

That BoJo personally ordered the army to prioritise getting the dogs out rather than people.

[Shindig]

Nah, he's a coke fiend.

EDIT: And a dog lover?

[Lewis]

That 'Afghanistan whistleblower' is a little melt though. The building full of people who have got every big decision wrong for about a century, but which I still wanted a career in... You can stop reading there.

[Yevrah]

That BoJo personally ordered the army to prioritise getting the dogs out rather than people.

His dippy fucking wife was behind that, wasn't she? Sweet Jesus.

[Lofty]

Pen Farthing is a twat, once again TTH is right.

[Boydy]

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-12-07/no-10-staff-joke-in-leaked-recording-about-christmas-party-they-later-denied?s=09

[Spikey M]

Can't wait for the general public to shrug and move immediately.

[Yevrah]

I think this one will do a fair bit more damage. Different time and there must be, what, 50% of the public waning with this shit now and I think they'll rightly use that as a "why the fuck should I bother now when these cunts weren't a year ago". In fact, what are the numbers? Jim hasn't posted the opinion polls for a while.

[7om]

This all reminds me of that time when Gove went on tv and said he’d also done test drives to test his eyesight. All while desperately trying to stop himself from bursting out laughing. They’re taking the piss out of us at this stage.

Edit: https://youtu.be/8ICDyGBpA2M

Fuck me.

[Spikey M]

I think this one will do a fair bit more damage. Different time and there must be, what, 50% of the public waning with this shit now and I think they'll rightly use that as a "why the fuck should I bother now when these cunts weren't a year ago". In fact, what are the numbers? Jim hasn't posted the opinion polls for a while.

We are deep into "I'd love to see ol' Borry J wriggle his way out of this one" territory.

He'll "consider the matter closed" and after a few days of :mad: and :harold: everyone will move on.

Ah, well, none the less.

[Yevrah]

Oh it won't be enough to harm him politically as the opposition are thoroughly useless, but it's not good for the pointless Covid efforts.

[Lewis]

I'm all for giving them abuse over this, but I can do without the 'I DIDN'T SEE MY FAMILY...' people. Why not lol?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Donny T got got in the end, and so will these.

[Lewis]

I can't see our Deep State pulling that one off. Nobody will work nights for a start.

[Yevrah]

Donny T got got in the end, and so will these.

As a Tory, how do you feel how they're going about this and other stuff they've been embroiled in?

[Jimmy Floyd]

As a Tory, how do you feel how they're going about this and other stuff they've been embroiled in?

Without Cummings, they are just a lazy bunch of thick twats with no attention span who get away with things due to being posh. Eventually something will be one shambles too many and they'll stop getting away with it.

Most of it is the fault of the absurd Corbyn opposition period, which created an atmosphere of total impunity for the sitting govt due to the non-serious nature of the alternative. Starmer is too much of a roundhead to capitalise but the one after him will be PM.

[Boydy]

#somehowaboutcorbyn

[Lofty]

I'm all for giving them abuse over this, but I can do without the 'I DIDN'T SEE MY FAMILY...' people. Why not lol?

To be fair some people decided to see their family at the same time as the government in the same manner and were fined £10k.

[Kikó]

I'm all for giving them abuse over this, but I can do without the 'I DIDN'T SEE MY FAMILY...' people. Why not lol?

This is a particularly lazy argument

[Spikey M]

It's Lewis on the Tories.

[Lewis]

Now that is a lazy argument.

[Magic]

I'm all for giving them abuse over this, but I can do without the 'I DIDN'T SEE MY FAMILY...' people. Why not lol?

These weirdos (a few on here) are exactly the ones that need their heads checked and this will check it for them. Back to work please, fuck the rules. 4D chess from Boris.

[Jimmy Floyd]

As the government, you can't ask people to follow (in this case highly punitive) rules and then not follow them yourselves. That's basically the end of it.

[Manc]

That's basically the end of it.

Not a chance. Have you met the GREAT BRITISH PUBLIC? Spineless.

[Spikey M]

There's been some shit takes in this thread, but "People that sacrificed a family Christmas to help prevent the spread of a new strain of a virus that was already killing 1000 people a day are weirdo's" is a cracking effort.

I'm all for fucking it off now we have the vaccine, but we shouldn't lose sight of how bad it was back then.

[Spikey M]

Still, on the downside, a day to unite us all:

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[Magic]

Yes empower them to die from bovid. :harold:

[Magic]

There's been some shit takes in this thread, but "People that sacrificed a family Christmas to help prevent the spread of a new strain of a virus that was already killing 1000 people a day are weirdo's" is a cracking effort.

I'm all for fucking it off now we have the vaccine, but we shouldn't lose sight of how bad it was back then.

I see it really helped...:harold:

[Spikey M]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/2048/cpsprodpb/7DA5/production/_121856123_microsoftteams-image-2.png

Indeed.

[Magic]

When did Christmas move to March.

[Spikey M]

When did Christmas move to March.

M8. :face:

https://images.theconversation.com/files/428351/original/file-20211025-15-u2orex.png?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&q=45&auto=format&w=1000&fit=clip

[Boydy]

What is "bovid" meant to mean?

[Boydy]

Still, on the downside, a day to unite us all:

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Oh great, she's back.

[Lofty]

Remember when the government was encouraging everyone to grass on their neighbours and teenagers were hiding in airing cupboarda when the rozzers raided their house parties? People are going to make careers out of documenting the insanity of this period of history.

[Shindig]

These weirdos (a few on here) are exactly the ones that need their heads checked and this will check it for them. Back to work please, fuck the rules. 4D chess from Boris.

Last time you saw you're family, you all fucking caught it. :D

[Magic]

Remember when we were told not to pet cats etc as they can load it on? And when the scandi countries killed every mink they could find? :harold:

[Magic]

Last time you saw you're family, you all fucking caught it. :D

And we were fine.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I have written a special commemorative poem. It's called 'The Power of the Older Generation'.

The Power of the Older Generation

Captain Sir Tom
Strode out at the Somme,
On his Zimmer frame,
To public acclaim.
The Germans, on top,
Had killed quite a lot.
The Brits, under fire,
Had the man they required.

Captain Sir Tom
With a certain aplomb,
Spoke magic words thus:
'Summon the bus!'
Up then it drew,
The red number two.
With a new army corps,
To win the Great War.

Captain Sir Tom
Waved his newest troops on.
There was Ant, there was Dec,
That guy from Star Trek,
Fifty thousand key workers,
Zero immigrant shirkers.
Rashford, Sterling and all,
And, of course, Heather Small.

Captain Sir Tom
Had one more shock bomb:
From out of the clouds
Came thousands more lads,
For Tom had deployed
Our dead World War One boys.
Understandable angst
Broke out in the ranks.

'Captain Sir Tom!
We're not dead! We're not gone!'
The Captain ducked well,
Dodging a shell,
Avoiding a mortar,
To point at his daughter.
'Lads, don't be miffed,
She'll keep up the grift.'

[Yevrah]

Oh great, she's back.

I'm smelling proper chancing and snout in the trough with this one.

[Yevrah]

Remember when the government was encouraging everyone to grass on their neighbours and teenagers were hiding in airing cupboarda when the rozzers raided their house parties? People are going to make careers out of documenting the insanity of this period of history.

Making people die on their own while at best handing them an iPad to see loved ones, banning people seeing the bodies of their loved and then ruining the subsequent funeral, will be hard to top.

[Lewis]

As the government, you can't ask people to follow (in this case highly punitive) rules and then not follow them yourselves. That's basically the end of it.

At the same time, people like me (and everybody I know) who didn't follow them anyway can't get all pissy about it.

[Waffdon]

And we were fine.

You weren’t x

[Yevrah]

At the same time, people like me (and everybody I know) who didn't follow them anyway can't get all pissy about it.

Surely it's the people who did follow them, millions of them, that are getting pissy about it. If you and/or your friends and family are then, well...

[Yevrah]

Lovely poem btw Jim. You should post it on social media and see how long it takes for the police to get involved.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Sounds like WFH is coming back among other restrictions.

[Spikey M]

This PMQ is beautiful. :drool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

He's in real trouble here, for the first time in his reign.

[Lewis]

Surely it's the people who did follow them, millions of them, that are getting pissy about it. If you and/or your friends and family are then, well...

Yeah, the people who followed them to the letter throughout can moan. Do you know any of those?

[Andy]

Distraction tactics coming this evening. No doubt some Omicron data that will cause some new restrictions with Boris talking about saving Christmas etc.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He might be gone by tonight, or as good as gone. Feels like critical mass.

[Waffdon]

Big Gazza Neville called it in his rant at 4am. (What kind of weirdo wakes up at that time on their own accord?)

[Yevrah]

Yeah, the people who followed them to the letter throughout can moan. Do you know any of those?

Not quite sure it works in as black and white way as that and surely you appreciate that those setting the rules should be setting the example?

[Spikey M]

Trying to put restrictions in place now would just turn the heat up, surely?

[Shindig]

This all ends with Priti Patel as PM. :uhoh:

[Yevrah]

No way Johnson goes from this. Why would he?

[Spikey M]

Border Force is SS uniforms by Monday.

[Spikey M]

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[Jimmy Floyd]

No way Johnson goes from this. Why would he?

Because he's now lying in the open and on an ongoing basis, while also (bizarrely) trying to introduce more restrictions as a distraction tactic - his party will kill him.

[Yevrah]

Because he's now lying in the open and on an ongoing basis, while also (bizarrely) trying to introduce more restrictions as a distraction tactic - his party will kill him.

He's been lying in the open since day 1, no?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Not quite as brazenly as this. Sometimes it takes small and relatable things (like a Christmas party) to show the wider public how a man operates.

[Spikey M]

No way Johnson goes from this. Why would he?

If he does try to bring PLAN B in and nobody listens, what else are they supposed to do?

[Lewis]

Not quite sure it works in as black and white way as that and surely you appreciate that those setting the rules should be setting the example?

If it's that serious why do you need their example? This has been a mystery to me since day one of people moaning about breaches.

[Don]

Just finishined wanking to PMQs. All I want for Xmas is plan B and WFH for a few months but if I'm getting a civil uprising too :drool:

[Lewis]

They can't can Johnson until all of this is officially over (if it ever will be). If the replacement is going to win another election, Johnson needs to soak up any remaining pandemic criticism.

[Shindig]

That's a good point, actually. Nobody wants the pandemic on their plate. It'll be Boris' sword to fall on as much as the Brexit vote was Cameron's.

[Kikó]

If it's that serious why do you need their example? This has been a mystery to me since day one of people moaning about breaches.

Really?

The government should role model or they're absolute hypocrites (and law breakers probably). I don't know where this defence is coming from.

[Spikey M]

It's Lewis on the Tories.


Now that is a lazy argument.

:henn0rz:

[Jimmy Floyd]

They can't can Johnson until all of this is officially over (if it ever will be). If the replacement is going to win another election, Johnson needs to soak up any remaining pandemic criticism.

Any one of them will snap at the chance to be PM, just like he did. In fact he was in a far more perilous position than this, where he could have been out within weeks.

[niko_cee]

My Jeremy Hunt for PM prediction lives to fight another day, even if he ends up with it 'by default'. :drool:

[Yevrah]

If it's that serious why do you need their example?

That's literally the way society functions in almost any area you could care to mention.

[Waffdon]

Just finishined wanking to PMQs. All I want for Xmas is plan B and WFH for a few months but if I'm getting a civil uprising too :drool:

Agreed. WFH has to be a priority.

[Shindig]

I would also be up for this. A small sacrifice for the greater good.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I won't be working from home even if giant crabs invade, so you can all get fucked.

[Spikey M]

My house is nearer the coast than the office is, so our new crab overlords could see me back in the office too. Bastards.

[Boydy]

We'll all be conscripted into World War 3 come the end of January anyway.

[Spikey M]

World War Sea.

[Shindig]

Look, if the crabs come, we'll just eat the bastards.

[Don]

God bless SAGE and their fearmongering.

[Magic]

Here come the million deaths a day brigade.

[Pepe]

Supposed to fly to France tomorrow. They require a negative PCR test within 48 hours. My wife booked us to get tested this morning, but the woman just said we should get the result in 2-3 business days, so now my wife is chimping out. There is a place that gives you results within an hour in the airport, for $250. :happycry:

[Lofty]

I never stopped WFH :cool:

Even managed to swerve going in for a phone upgrade: they're posting me out a new one. Now if I could just get back to not having to smash 40 hours a month overtime to meet deadlines it would be all gravy.

[Spikey M]

it would be all gravy.

Have I brought this back in fashion? Trend setter. :cool:

[Yevrah]

God bless SAGE and their fearmongering.

Funny that they've now moved the metric to hospital admissions.

[Don]

Shut the fuck up, this is serious. Get me Sajid or that other dirty ethnic infront of a lectern within 2 hours before shit gets real.

[Waffdon]

I never stopped WFH :cool:

Even managed to swerve going in for a phone upgrade: they're posting me out a new one. Now if I could just get back to not having to smash 40 hours a month overtime to meet deadlines it would be all gravy.

Same. Left the office in March 2020 and have never been back.

[Yevrah]

News conference at 6 from the PM. It's happening. :nono:

[Shindig]

I can't help but think Allegra Stratton is Alan Partridge's PA.

[Yevrah]

Looking at the numbers as well, they're going to have to do a hell of a lot more than send people home to work if they want to keep hospitalisations under 1,000 a day.

[Yevrah]

COV£D pass has landed.

[Kikó]

Wake up sheeple

[Jimmy Floyd]

Probably the most costly thing they could do, with the least benefit.

It sounds like they think Omicron is fine-ish in a highly vaccinated country but going caution for caution's sake again.

[Yevrah]

Wake up sheeple

It's quite lazy that you bracket me with those loons, yet don't offer a better explanation for what I'm actually saying.

[Pepe]

Probably the most costly thing they could do, with the least benefit.

What are they doing?

[Jimmy Floyd]

What are they doing?

Two-dose vaccine passports to enter large events (>500 people indoors).

[Kikó]

It's quite lazy that you bracket me with those loons, yet don't offer a better explanation for what I'm actually saying.

Tell me more about the profitable covid pass then?

[Yevrah]

Two-dose vaccine passports to enter large events (>500 people indoors).

Which wouldn't be so ridiculous if being vaccinated stopped it spreading, but...oh.

[Giggles]

Us real working cunts can’t do a thing from home.

[Yevrah]

Tell me more about the profitable covid pass then?

:face:

And there we go again. Just laziness.

[Kikó]

What else can the £ mean you knob head?

[Yevrah]

What else can the £ mean you knob head?

You can't be this thick, surely. It's not the COVID pass that generates the £ it's the vaccine that you need to have to get one that does.

[Kikó]

Wake up sheeple.

[Yevrah]

Oh, you were that thick.

Boris is now even broaching the subject of mandatory vaccines.

[Lewis]

That's literally the way society functions in almost any area you could care to mention.

Is it? Boris Johnson cheats on his partners and lies about everything. Having seen him do it (and, what's more, constantly get away with it and win things) are you more or less likely to do so? It's a bit like saying you only haven't raped anybody because you couldn't hack prison.

[Yevrah]

Couple that with booster vaccines now and then another one when we've reformulated it. You couldn't make this up. :D

[Giggles]

Go back to writing the book for your own sanity.

[Shindig]

"Erm, it's a sitcom, actually." :dc:

[Kikó]

Which wouldn't be so ridiculous if being vaccinated stopped it spreading, but...oh.

It reduces transmission.

[Manc]

The state of these journalists.

[Spikey M]

"erm, it's a sitcom, actually." :dc:

*akchooalleee

[niko_cee]

It reduces transmission.

Is there any evidence of this? I thought they'd just gone with reduces severe illness (ie the main point), but by focusing on cases and transmission the waters are somewhat muddied allowing for [endless] restrictions.

Thought Moyes' comments were strange to that end today. Wanting to know the person next to you is vaccinated only really works if that is of any benefit to you (which the fear-mongering would suggest not seeing as the general population is vaccinated to the eyeballs) unless you're some sort of super altruist and are worried about maybe killing them if they aren't. It's not a great conspiracy though, it's just weak leaders doing stuff for the sake of it and worst case scenarios being allowed to be the de facto starting point for policy.

[Yevrah]

It reduces transmission.

The rampant case numbers would suggest otherwise, or at least that it doesn't that much.

[Yevrah]

It's not a great conspiracy though, it's just weak leaders doing stuff for the sake of it and worst case scenarios being allowed to be the de facto starting point for policy.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's a grand conscious conspiracy, but I'm in increasingly less doubt that money is the underlying motivating factor that keeps driving this shitshow forward.

[Shindig]

The virus is driving this primarily.

[Yevrah]

The virus is driving this primarily.

It was a year ago, but not now.

[Shindig]

That's an incredible take.

[Yevrah]

That's an incredible take.

Not really. Everything is in place for us to move on with our lives.

[Magic]

Lol at the compliant losers being stuck between compliance and hating bojo.

[7om]

You can't be this thick, surely. It's not the COVID pass that generates the £ it's the vaccine that you need to have to get one that does.

I’m not convinced. The likes of Pfizer and AstraZeneca are multi-billion dollar, multi-national powerhouses in the vaccine / pharmaceutical world. They’d still be those things with or without a covid pandemic.

[Yevrah]

I’m not convinced. The likes of Pfizer and AstraZeneca are multi-billion dollar, multi-national powerhouses in the vaccine / pharmaceutical world. They’d still be those things with or without a covid pandemic.

That's the same as saying "there's no way that MP could have done anything against the public interest to feather his own nest as he's already a millionaire".

It would also make Pfizer and AstraZeneca the first multi-billion dollar, multi-national powerhouses to say "yeah, we've earned enough money now, let's stop driving that revenue stream".

[7om]

Correlation doesn’t equal causation. They might be profiting off this pandemic (and thank god they are), but it doesn’t automatically mean they are driving the fear train and forcing governments to give boosters.

[Manc]

What impact did WFH have on the numbers last year?

[Magic]

What impact did WFH have on the numbers last year?

Lots of lost business.

[Yevrah]

Correlation doesn’t equal causation. They might be profiting off this pandemic (and thank god they are), but it doesn’t automatically mean they are driving the fear train and forcing governments to give boosters.

No, but they're a business and businesses ultimately exist to maximise profit, even ones that are science based. Their execs will be earning or on for an absolute fortune from this too.

[Don]

Kiko's desperately putting together a collection of medical research papers he has no clue about to try and keep the iT rEdUcEs TrAnSmIsSiOn motto alive. Just replace it with 'Baaaaaaa' lad.

[Magic]

Everyone doubling down. :drool: