UK General Election 2017 - 8 June

[Lewis]

Telling that Lewis ignored my post. On the ropes.

Because it was stupid even by your usual high standards of not understanding things.

[Boydy]

Seemed more like a journalist being pissed off after a shitty interview than being partisan about something.

[phonics]

Because it was stupid even by your usual high standards of not understanding things.

Whats the difference?

[Lewis]

What's the difference between a broadcaster with an obligation to be impartial and a politician not being good at their job, or what's the difference between being able to vote a politician out and counting on the Channel 4 management to make a decision that they obviously won't because there is no penalty for not doing it? If there is no difference between the two then you don't even have a point, because how can you criticise politicians when you don't even expect broadcasters to do their jobs properly?

[Giggles]

You should always stick with your team through thick and thin. It’s what makes a good fan a great fan.

[Spikey M]

Poor Lewis. :(

[phonics]

What's the difference between a broadcaster with an obligation to be impartial and a politician not being good at their job, or what's the difference between being able to vote a politician out and counting on the Channel 4 management to make a decision that they obviously won't because there is no penalty for not doing it? If there is no difference between the two then you don't even have a point, because how can you criticise politicians when you don't even expect broadcasters to do their jobs properly?

Imagine holding people in power to higher standards than a bloke that reads the news. Free speech indeed.

[John Arne]

And made the comment when he thought he was off air, chuckling to himself.

[Ben]

A "very senior Tory MP" has told BBC's Chris Mason that there'll be a general election soon. :drool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

There is only one 'very senior Tory MP' left, which is Jeremy Hunt MP, Thane of Glamis.

I lolled at Boris Johnson now being a backbench rebel.

[Boydy]

A "very senior Tory MP" has told BBC's Chris Mason that there'll be a general election soon. :drool:
I hope so but I don't see how we get there.

[Ben]

Same. Self-preservation will take over pretty quickly.

[Spikey M]

Yet we still pretend we live in a democracy.

[Ben]

The Chief Whip has un-resigned. Scenes if she resigns again. :D

[Jimmy Floyd]

I hope so but I don't see how we get there.

Yeah I've been trying to work this out - weirdly I think she would win a confidence motion right now, purely to protect Tory MPs' jobs/incomes, even though they clearly have no confidence in her.

The only other route would be someone like Gove taking over as caretaker PM and then calling an election in the national interest, taking the ship down with him, though even that would need a two-thirds Commons majority.

[Dave.]

Honestly Lewis mate I say this as someone who mostly enjoys your posts but perhaps it is time to consider ending your own life

As much as I have enjoyed Lewis desperately trying to defend the Conservative party, I think you should retract this. It's bizarre and definitely out of order.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Yet we still pretend we live in a democracy.

We live in a representative democracy, which mostly works pretty well. Move to direct democracy and we'll be hanging the blacks and bombing St Petersburg.

[Spikey M]

As much as I have enjoyed Lewis desperately trying to defend the Conservative party, I think you should retract this. It's bizarre and definitely out of order.

Welcome to TTH.

[Henry]

Hello. How are we all?

This is hilarious. The scum and vermin are on the way out, hopefully permanently.

Who's been defending them on here? Own up.

[Boydy]

Aye but the scum and vermin in the Labour party control it now so they're on their way in.

But Lewis has, as you'd expect.

[Yevrah]

Henners!

At this point (and for quite some time) it's only been Lewis defending them, although people on the left (as Boydy demonstrates) still aren't happy at the prospect of a party far more aligned with them being in power.

[Ben]

Is Lewis actually being Top Tory or is he just being contrary like he tends to? Sure, he's usually that way inclined but even he can't defend some of the recent guff in good faith.

[Magic]

Is Lewis actually being Top Tory or is he just being contrary like he tends to? Sure, he's usually that way inclined but even he can't defend some of the recent guff in good faith.

No he's trying to come across as professional because he works in THE INDUSTRY and the career path he's chosen is an absolute laughing stock.

[Boydy]

Henners!

At this point (and for quite some time) it's only been Lewis defending them, although people on the left (as Boydy demonstrates) still aren't happy at the prospect of a party far more aligned with them being in power.

Because nothing will fundamentally change. They'll make some tweaks around the edges and that'll be it.

And I'll also never forgive them for actively wrecking when they weren't in control of the party. That's all they care about, them being in charge.

[Henry]

I think that New New Labour will bring minimal competence and will stop some of the more dodgy right-wing stuff that the Tories are pushing (freeports etc.) but yeah, they won't be great either and aren't going to address the structural issues.

Still, best enjoy this implosion while we can. It's only 11 o'clock. Hoping for another day like yesterday. Twitter is great for getting the inside story, I find. Looking like they were going to give her until the end of the month, but that's now in some doubt.

[Boydy]

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm still loving the tories being in such disarray even if Starmer and co don't excite me much.

[-james-]

I know a couple of Tories/follow them on Twitter, and they've been doing the same squirming desperately trying to find the positives in anything the party has been doing as Lewis. It's glorious.

[-james-]

It's just a little functionally collapsed, it's still good, it's still good.

[Boydy]

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[Luke Emia]

Surely as we have seen with this current debacle going to far one way or the other is a massive problem.

With Starmer if he can steady the ship for a couple of years then start to increase spending on infrastructure and services then people will see the benefits(as they did under Blair/Brown). Labour didn’t lose in 2010 because of the financial crisis they lost because Brown was foisted on the country without a GE and then the financial crisis happened. If he had taken the GE when he should have done he would have won, the Tories will find out shortly you put someone in who hasn’t been voted in without good reason you are fucked(especially if they turn out to be as incompetent as Truss).

[Yevrah]

Keep em coming Boyd.

My best guess is we're heading into Jeremy Hunt as PM territory.

[randomlegend]

Henners!

At this point (and for quite some time) it's only been Lewis defending them, although people on the left (as Boydy demonstrates) still aren't happy at the prospect of a party far more aligned with them being in power.

Jimmy doesn't defend them but will still vote for them, which is honestly worse.

[-james-]

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This is going to be fun.

[-james-]

Truss 2022 exit odds into 1.15 on the Exchange now.

[Boydy]

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:drool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Truss 2022 exit odds into 1.15 on the Exchange now.

Should be that for Truss exit by 10pm tonight.

[Don]

The Bojo return really does seem the only way out for Tories which begs the question, just how much of this shambles was planned with it in mind.

[Boydy]

It really is quite bad that there's no way to trigger an election when the government is this much of a fucking shambles though.

[Boydy]

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The plot thickens.

[Jimmy Floyd]

There is, two thirds commons majority for one. Take out the shinners/speaker and the number you need is 321. Opposition MPs minus the shinners total 231, excluding the 13 'independents' which is a genuinely hilarious lineup of sex pests and miscreants. So you need about 90 of the 357 Tories to vote for it.

[Boydy]

I meant more outside of requiring MPs voting to probably lose their own seats which isn't going to happen.

[Boydy]

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[igor_balis]

As much as I have enjoyed Lewis desperately trying to defend the Conservative party, I think you should retract this. It's bizarre and definitely out of order.

Someone has been watching too much PMQs, you're not the speaker of the TTH House mate. But to clarify my most unparliamentary language, I don't actually want Lewis to kill himself, or even to consider it really. Maybe stub his toe or something.

[Lofty]

She's making a statement.

[-james-]

Here we, here we, here we fucking go.

[Don]

I recall Theresa May's being quite poignant but this one is just gonna be a lol-a-second :D

[7om]

If she resigns now, will we have to go through another two months of ballots and crap debates or can we just shoehorn someone in and crack on?

[igor_balis]

Lol see ya

[Jimmy Floyd]

44 days. Proper Brian Clough at Leeds effort. Though I doubt a film will be made about this.

[-james-]

If she resigns now, will we have to go through another two months of ballots and crap debates or can we just shoehorn someone in and crack on?

Leadership election to be completed in a week apparently. Presuming they have someone lined up?

[7om]

Leadership election to be completed in a week apparently. Presuming they have someone lined up?

Sunak, surely?

[igor_balis]

Howard Wilkinson

[Yevrah]

So surreal.

[Ben]

Big Sam until the end of the season.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Gove please. I just want content at this point.

[Ben]

The lettuce won. :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm-RE95lKJ0

[Boydy]

Big Dog comeback?

[Ben]

I think so.

[Don]

Hunt is out the running.

[niko_cee]

Say it ain't so.

Sunak back in No.11 and Jeremy for the top job! He'll actually have to change his name so people stop calling him Prime Minister Cunt all the time.

[niko_cee]

BBC running with it on their live text.

:cry:

This was it, his one chance.

[-james-]

Sunak, Mordaunt or Wallace by the sounds of it.

[niko_cee]

Surely Sunak is the only one who can stand on the mandate of the last election [assuming he was the Chancellor when that happened] and whilst none of them are probably 'serious figures' you can't be having the later two as they are genuinely 'who the fuck?' candidates.

[Luke Emia]

General Election now please. These cunts need rid of.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Got to be Sunak, which unfortunately makes us the 29th state of Modi's India, but so be it.

[-james-]

Surely Sunak is the only one who can stand on the mandate of the last election [assuming he was the Chancellor when that happened] and whilst none of them are probably 'serious figures' you can't be having the later two as they are genuinely 'who the fuck?' candidates.

If it's a members poll then Penny should run him pretty close if last time is anything to go by.

Word is they want to conduct it online and in the space of a week. Good luck with that.

[Manc]

I'll happily lay Sunak.

[-james-]

Boris is running :lol:

[Spikey M]

:D

[igor_balis]

I'll happily lay Sunak.

shameful lustage is thataway, man

[Boydy]

Someone check on Lewis.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Absolutely no chance Boris gets in.

[SvN]

If we end up back with Boris I'm moving to a safer, more prosperous country, like Ukraine.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Boris tonight:

https://media.tenor.com/tsS6mvps7AwAAAAd/me-and-the-boys-happy.gif

[-james-]

Absolutely no chance Boris gets in.

You think he wouldn't get the nominations?

[Ben]

I've got on Boris at 16/1.

[igor_balis]

Someone check on Lewis.

cunt better not have topped himself, "Dave." wouldn't let me hear the end of it, whoever he is.

[Yevrah]

Boris is running :lol:

That's all the evidence one could ever need to prove beyond doubt that the man is genuinely ill.

[Jimmy Floyd]

You think he wouldn't get the nominations?

If more than say 70 of the 340 odd Tory MPs aren't complete morons, he won't get into the final two, because a Boris win would collapse the party (and its majority) pretty much immediately.

[Magic]

Boris tonight:

https://media.tenor.com/tsS6mvps7AwAAAAd/me-and-the-boys-happy.gif

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[Boydy]

I've got on Boris at 16/1.

Where'd you get those odds? Betfair Exchange is only 6.4 at the minute :(

[Boydy]

Kemi Badenoch is apparently considering running too. Lol.

[Kikó]

This is insane. If Boris comes back then the party is completely broken.

[Yevrah]

cunt better not have topped himself, "Dave." wouldn't let me hear the end of it, whoever he is.

Good point that, who is Dave? Was he on the old board?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Boris' odds are tumbling. Currently sitting @6 on the Betfair exchange, he was 27 according to this (https://betting.betfair.com/politics/uk-politics/next-tory-leader-betting-latest-odds-news-from-the-battle-for-no10-080722-204.html) a little over an hour ago.

[Magic]

Good God this is better than anything ever. What an absolute fucking DON. DONNNNNNN.

[Dave.]

Someone has been watching too much PMQs, you're not the speaker of the TTH House mate. But to clarify my most unparliamentary language, I don't actually want Lewis to kill himself, or even to consider it really. Maybe stub his toe or something.

Oh, I don't speak for the board in any way. I never pretended otherwise.

I just felt your advice for Lewis was bizarre and unnecessary.

Anyway, enough of that. I'm here to enjoy this memorable day in politics. Have a nice day.🙂

[Boydy]

Good point that, who is Dave? Was he on the old board?
MartinSAFC

[Ben]

Where'd you get those odds? Betfair Exchange is only 6.4 at the minute :(

About an hour ago. Bet365 boost from 12/1.

[Spikey M]

If more than say 70 of the 340 odd Tory MPs aren't complete morons, he won't get into the final two, because a Boris win would collapse the party (and its majority) pretty much immediately.

That's a big "if".

[Yevrah]

This is insane. If Boris comes back then the party is completely broken.

It's completely broken already, the only thing that's going to fix it is a stint in opposition.

[Yevrah]

That's a big "if".

Indeed. Let's not forget enough Tory MP's backed Truss to the point when the membership could vote her in.

[-james-]

If more than say 70 of the 340 odd Tory MPs aren't complete morons, he won't get into the final two, because a Boris win would collapse the party (and its majority) pretty much immediately.

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Start the count.

[Boydy]

BBC News - Channel 4's Krishnan Guru-Murthy suspended for insulting minister
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-63331322

[Dave.]

MartinSAFC

On the money.:thbup:

[Magic]

Why are you posting like a 'normal forum' user then you little bitch.

[Kikó]

It's completely broken already, the only thing that's going to fix it is a stint in opposition.

True dat.

[Dave.]

Why are you posting like a 'normal forum' user then you little bitch.

I'll do as I please.

[Ben]

Boris now 13/5 after I snagged him at 16/1 a couple of hours ago. Shame I can't cash out.

[7om]

Why are Boris’ odds tumbling? He won’t actually be PM, will he?

[Jimmy Floyd]

13/5 is a lay. Not even these morons are stupid enough to let back in a man who is still pending investigation by parliamentary standards and generally has zero legitimacy. The poll numbers would remain like they are now if not get worse.

[Lewis]

Imagine holding people in power to higher standards than a bloke that reads the news. Free speech indeed.

You don't hold him to any standards because lol he swore about people you don't like. He's either meant to be impartial or he isn't.

'This takeaway doesn't meet hygiene requirements and should be closed.'
'Haha when did Manchester United last win the league?'

[Lewis]

As for the idea that I'm some sort of diehard Conservative Party loyalist, I feel like criticise them more than anybody else here. I'm just not hysterical about it and/or getting my opinions off Twitter.

[randomlegend]

You don't hold him to any standards because lol he swore about people you don't like. He's either meant to be impartial or he isn't.

'This takeaway doesn't meet hygiene requirements and should be closed.'
'Haha when did Manchester United last win the league?'

Yeah, nah.

It's more like:

"Why have you been buying rat meat off your mate and passing it off as chicken in your takeaway? No answer? What a bunch of cunts."
"OMG you can't say that you should be sacked. The takeaway should be closed? Don't be ridiculous, people can just choose not to eat there. And the other takeaways are worse anyway".

[Lewis]

You don't expect (or want) him to be impartial. That's fine. But Channel 4 does. Is this really that difficult?

[randomlegend]

Or maybe he just called him a cunt for being a cunt, not for being a conservative.

The fact that the two are interchangeable is hardly his fault.

[Giggles]

You don't expect (or want) him to be impartial. That's fine. But Channel 4 does. Is this really that difficult?

It only took me one listen to know he didn’t say it anything like that.

[Spikey M]

2022 has not been kind to Lewis. What a fall from grace. :(

[Manc]

Steve Baker was on Peston last night very much being a cunt.

[Ben]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-63309400?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=6351761e34a915418162db2d%26Johnson%20a lly%3A%20Former%20PM%20deserves%20a%20holiday%2620 22-10-20T17%3A26%3A32.916Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:61362dfc-048c-47fa-831b-9a3659a93d16&pinned_post_asset_id=6351761e34a915418162db2d&pinned_post_type=share

These fuckers are just tone deaf. Saying Boris deserves a holiday just two months after his last known holiday, all whilst his potential voters are beginning to really feel the squeeze with food and energy prices.

[Jimmy Floyd]

You'd be amazed how many holidays rich boomers go on. Half of them are barely ever in the country.

[Boydy]

https://order-order.com/2022/10/20/whos-backing-who-the-spreadsheet-returns/

Boris in the lead at the minute.

[Shindig]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/xT5LMvHY0SBY1vKxvq/giphy.gif

Fuck.

[Yevrah]

https://order-order.com/2022/10/20/whos-backing-who-the-spreadsheet-returns/

Boris in the lead at the minute.

Sadly I'm nowhere near as confident as Jim that it won't happen. If it isn't Sunak by this point then King Charles really does need to get involved.

[Lewis]

We normally end up with the funniest result of any given political situation, so maybe it's fated to happen.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://order-order.com/2022/10/20/whos-backing-who-the-spreadsheet-returns/

Boris in the lead at the minute.

He's now at 4.3 on Betfair Exchange. Rishi still odds on favourite.

[Lewis]

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Never thought of it like that. :drool:

[Spikey M]

Maybe this was Deadly Dom's plan all alone. 1237D chess.

[Boydy]

We normally end up with the funniest result of any given political situation, so maybe it's fated to happen.
This. We're on the banter timeline.

[-james-]

All in on the Boris Trump re-election double bonanza.

[Yevrah]

This. We're on the banter timeline.

We'd be getting Suella if that were really true.

[Magic]

That isn't funny though.

[Yevrah]

It kickstarts a contest to find the next Tory leader and PM - hopefuls need to get the backing of 100 MPs by Monday afternoon

With 357 MP's I'd imagine Boris and Sunak will get 100 each and if they're the only two that go to the membership, it's Boris.

[Boydy]

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The most possible banter?

[Lewis]

The dummy spit when ten/fifteen per cent of the party resign the whip would be the more pressing issue.

[Lofty]

With 357 MP's I'd imagine Boris and Sunak will get 100 each and if they're the only two that go to the membership, it's Boris.

No membership, just the MPs. They dont have time to put it to the wider party if they want a new PM within a week.

[Kikó]

They're doing online voting aren't they?

[Yevrah]

No membership, just the MPs. They dont have time to put it to the wider party if they want a new PM within a week.

It's going to the members online.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62068930

[Magic]

That's Boris then. :drool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Boris isn't getting to 100 (which is why they set it at 100).

[Lofty]

Online voting for the over 80s, good luck with that.

[Boydy]

Boris isn't getting to 100 (which is why they set it at 100).

He's on 47 already according to that Guido spreadsheet. 32 for Sunak, 15 for Mordaunt.

[Yevrah]

Boris isn't getting to 100 (which is why they set it at 100).

He's on 48 already according to that spreadsheet link above.

[Yevrah]

Another 1 added in between the time Boydy clicked on it and I did. :D

[Jimmy Floyd]

He's only attracting the same deranged people who got Truss in. People deranged enough to believe that Boris Johnson was a popular PM despite the vast amount of evidence showing the contrary.

[Yevrah]

He's only attracting the same deranged people who got Truss in. People deranged enough to believe that Boris Johnson was a popular PM despite the vast amount of evidence showing the contrary.

Which is as maybe, but unless you're saying there aren't 100 of these people in the parliamentary party then it's not a reason why he won't get on the member's ballot.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Truss didn't get 100 votes until the fifth ballot last time. She had 50 votes in the first round. We'll see if Guido's list stretches out to a Max Verstappen style lead tomorrow, but I doubt it.

[Lewis]

My mother reckons Mordaunt is a lesbian, which would be some treble seeing as her brothers are a gay and a paedophile. There must be something in the water round here.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Incredible.

[-james-]

My mother reckons Mordaunt is a lesbian, which would be some treble seeing as her brothers are a gay and a paedophile. There must be something in the water round here.

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[igor_balis]

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The most possible banter?

Lol that's my old politics lecturer.

[Boydy]

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:lol:

[Yevrah]

It is so happening. This is going to end James O'Brien between 10-1 tomorrow.

[Lewis]

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Better do what they say.

[Don]

That is magnificent. As is Medvedev's tweet. Laughing stock of the world.

[Boydy]

Some quality editing and music-pairing on the news tonight.

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[Giggles]

Is tofu woman in the running?

[Spikey M]

He's only attracting the same deranged people who got Truss in.

Torys. Yeah.

[Ben]

What if nobody gets 100?

[Spikey M]

They dig up Thatcher.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Just read the full Guido list, 16 of the 52 names are just made up entities.

He's not getting 100.

[niko_cee]

What if nobody gets 100?

Steve Bruce.

[Shindig]

Lewis finally gets a go. He gets the boot as soon as he calls Kier a slur at his first PMQs.

[Yevrah]

Just read the full Guido list, 16 of the 52 names are just made up entities.

He's not getting 100.

There are made up entities in Sunak's list too, I just assumed they were people who hadn't formally announced but the site had the inside scoop that they were going to.

If they are going to he's got half of what he needs already, if they're not then he's on a third and either way, he's not even in the sodding country yet.

[Boydy]

https://order-order.com/2022/10/20/whos-backing-who-the-spreadsheet-returns/

Boris in the lead at the minute.

Big Dog on 52 now. Dishi Rishi catching up on 47.

[7om]

In all seriousness, they cannot possibly re-appoint Boris, can they? They can’t be *that* idiotic.

[Yevrah]

In all seriousness, they cannot possibly re-appoint Boris, can they? They can’t be *that* idiotic.

I don't know why people are saying this, we've literally just seen the shortest serving Prime Minister of all time and the assumption is that they can't make another bad decision?

[Jimmy Floyd]

The people who made a bad decision were the members, among MPs Sunak would have pissed it last time and they have now seen what happens when the 'Tory right' get their way, so other than the hardcore (most of whom are already in the declared list) the MPs will know that Sunak must prevail and the members must not be balloted. They'll find a way to fix it by Monday.

People like Peter Bone have been wrong about everything for 40 years, they can't just admit that their working lives have been an incompetent sham, so they'll push on to the bitter end, but the mass of the party will have an instinct for some form of self-preservation now if they didn't in the summer.

[7om]

I don't know why people are saying this, we've literally just seen the shortest serving Prime Minister of all time and the assumption is that they can't make another bad decision?

I think there’s a difference between giving someone a go for the first time and going back to someone who has already failed.

[Yevrah]

The people who made a bad decision were the members, among MPs Sunak would have pissed it last time and they have now seen what happens when the 'Tory right' get their way, so other than the hardcore (most of whom are already in the declared list) the MPs will know that Sunak must prevail and the members must not be balloted. They'll find a way to fix it by Monday.

People like Peter Bone have been wrong about everything for 40 years, they can't just admit that their working lives have been an incompetent sham, so they'll push on to the bitter end, but the mass of the party will have an instinct for some form of self-preservation now if they didn't in the summer.

I truly hope you're right, but 100 doesn't seem a high enough bar to guarantee keeping Boris away from the members, particularly given he's got 72 hours+ to press the flesh. Lovely image that.

[Boydy]

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[Kikó]

I think there’s a difference between giving someone a go for the first time and going back to someone who has already failed.

Dunno, America might try.

[Yevrah]

I think there’s a difference between giving someone a go for the first time and going back to someone who has already failed.

There is, but Boris had already succeeded too, with a thumping majority. Now there are obviously more reasons for that than just Boris, but there must be dozens of MPs who are occupying a red wall seat that see him as the only possible way for them to stay in it. "He's done it before" etc.

[Yevrah]

I mean, just look at that poll. After all of this he's still somewhat popular.

[Dquincy]

Deep.
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[Boydy]

Big Dog on 52 now. Dishi Rishi catching up on 47.

Sunak's taken the lead! 53-52.

[randomlegend]

This shit is no better than my transfer tracking.

[Yevrah]

Boris has 59 now according to that spreadsheet, which if it's in any way close to being accurate suggests it's a done deal that he'll get the 100.

I mean:


Defence Secretary Ben Wallace rules himself out of the Tory leadership race but says he is currently leaning towards backing Boris Johnson

[Yevrah]

This is the logic they'll be going with:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-63338261

You couldn't make it up.

[Waffdon]

Can’t have an Asian man in charge of your right wing party.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The shipping manager at my company (a 60 year old woman) is a good example of the support that Boris Johnson has.

He fathers children out of wedlock: 'I still like Boris'. He has parties during lockdown: 'I know, but I still like Boris'. He enables sex pests: 'I know, but I still like Boris'. He lies to parliament on multiple occasions: 'I know, but I still like Boris'. Truss resigns: 'I think they should bring Boris back. I like Boris.'

He has some kind of magical hex on people.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Can’t have an Asian man in charge of your right wing party.

Get with the programme, that's 2000s talk. Indians are right wing as fuck these days.

[Yevrah]

His odds are tumbling by the hour. He's now 2.32 on Betfair, with Rishi at 2.1

[Don]

It's very hard to avoid conspiracy talk and think the disastrous Truss reign was not part of the plans to reinstall the bovine which is pretty frightening stuff.

There's enough gammon support out there for it, the news channels were full of their fucking rotund, red and blotchy faces and their brainless dialogue.

[Ben]

I agree with Taz. I was always of the opinion that the whole leadership fiasco through the summer would lead straight back to Boris carrying on. So bar a Cloughie at Leeds cameo from Truss, it’s what I expected.

[-james-]

I'm not joking when I say there should be rioting if Boris is the next PM.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm not joking when I say there should be rioting if Boris is the next PM.

I know we're in a polarised, balkanised society now where there isn't a mainstream and everyone only hears from their own echo chambers, but there seems to be a lot of myopia in some quarters about how much of a laughing stock the country will be if about 50,000 people (and that's all it will be) manage to force through such a thing.

[Yevrah]

The problem I have with suggesting that Boris to Truss to Boris was some sort of Machiavellian style masterplan is that it gives all involved far too much credit. If they were capable of pulling that off, it would have been far easier just to run the country properly.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They also aren't capable of pulling it off.

[Boydy]

Yeah, not a chance it was some grand masterplan.

[Manc]

I'm not joking when I say there should be rioting if Boris is the next PM.

We're a country of mugs. Covid proved that.

[Magic]

The problem I have with suggesting that Boris to Truss to Boris was some sort of Machiavellian style masterplan is that it gives all involved far too much credit. If they were capable of pulling that off, it would have been far easier just to run the country properly.

Pulling what off? All they did was give the worst candidate enough rope. Even before he resigned there was enough people saying he'll be back soon enough for it not to be planned (if not specifically planned, an obvious outcome).

[Boydy]

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Both the quoted tweet and the actual tweet.

[Magic]

WhatsApp restores anyway (unless you don't back up). It's device dependant more than anything else.

[randomlegend]

The shipping manager at my company (a 60 year old woman) is a good example of the support that Boris Johnson has.

He fathers children out of wedlock: 'I still like Boris'. He has parties during lockdown: 'I know, but I still like Boris'. He enables sex pests: 'I know, but I still like Boris'. He lies to parliament on multiple occasions: 'I know, but I still like Boris'. Truss resigns: 'I think they should bring Boris back. I like Boris.'

He has some kind of magical hex on people.

You are describing your relationship with the Tory party perfectly here.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Find a time when I've said I like the Tory party.

[SvN]

His odds are tumbling by the hour. He's now 2.32 on Betfair, with Rishi at 2.1

He was briefly odds on earlier, but has now drifted back to 2.5. I'm gutted I didn't get on at 16 yesterday.

[randomlegend]

Find a time when I've said I like the Tory party.

Every time you've voted.

[Yevrah]

He was briefly odds on earlier, but has now drifted back to 2.5. I'm gutted I didn't get on at 16 yesterday.

Indeed. It's Brexit and Trump all over again.

[Giggles]

If they stay in power and vote him back in as leader then you lot really do need to go French.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Every time you've voted.

I wrote X next to them, not 'I like you'. Though I have voted LD in the past and will probably do so again.

[niko_cee]

Every time you've voted.

Is choosing what you deem to be the least worse option the same as liking something?

[Giggles]

Is choosing what you deem to be the least worse option the same as liking something?

That’s when you don’t bother.

[niko_cee]

Yeah, but some people see it as a form of duty [I guess you can spoil your ballot, I always thought that was a bit pointless]. Jimmy seems like a strong voter.

[Boydy]

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Come on, do it, you mad fucks.

[niko_cee]

Is this about partygate or different/more mundane corruption? If it's covid rule breaking then does anyone really give a fuck anymore?

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's about him lying to parliament, which I think triggers some sort of mechanism whereby he has to go back and fight a by-election (which I think he would probably lose).

[7om]

Boris in for November and out by Christmas. Truss in for New Year :drool:

[randomlegend]

Is choosing what you deem to be the least worse option the same as liking something?


That's not what he does though. He posted the other day that he agrees a Labour government would be best for the country but he still won't vote for it.

At that point, yeah it's just a case of "yeah but I still like conservatives".

[randomlegend]

Is this about partygate or different/more mundane corruption? If it's covid rule breaking then does anyone really give a fuck anymore?

Anyone who doesn't give a fuck any more has literally zero self respect.

[Boydy]

Anyone who doesn't give a fuck any more has literally zero self respect.

But niko still likes Boris/the tories.

[niko_cee]

Not really, we have our own shithouse politicians here.

I just don't really care about that stuff and I don't think I ever have. There were so many massive mistakes made during the whole covid shitshow that focusing on a few twats getting pissed in a garden always struck me as diversionary at best, even if you worry about lying/honesty/being seen to follow the rules etc.

I don't really know enough about UK politics [having been out of it for over 10 years] but it is quite amusing to think what 'The Tories' have to show for their decade in power or whatever it has been. Everytime they get a mandate of some sort they seem to manage to blow it up in spectacular style so, aside from Brexit, which most of them didn't want anyway, what have they done other than feather the nests of people like that Australian/Cameron mate banking bastard?

Depending on when the next GE is I may well have a vote and I doubt I'll be casting it for them [even out of spite to cancel out my wife's vote, which was the only reason I ever voted for them anyway].

[Ben]

Thank God for Russia because we'd be easily the worst country in the world at the moment otherwise.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Boris in for November and out by Christmas. Truss in for New Year :drool:

Yes please.

[7om]

Thank God for Russia because we'd be easily the worst country in the world at the moment otherwise.

That’s not even close to being true.

https://twitter.com/jenniferzeng97/status/1583092520187465729?s=61&t=Eg8V4_rA5rMvcZV1FT1k9A

[Jimmy Floyd]

Voting Labour is other people's job. The country currently needs a fresh approach, which Labour will be the ones to provide. Doesn't mean I'm going to put my X against socialism. I'll vote Tory most times because we're a super country and most things about it should stay the same. Doesn't mean I dream about penetrating Jacob Rees-Mogg's unyielding Catholic sphincter while I queue at the polling station.

If you don't like that approach to life, then fuck you, have your own approach and enjoy it.

[niko_cee]

Thinking about voting I had a horrible sinking feeling that I might have once voted for Damien Green, but it turns out it was Greg Hands in 2005 when what was Hammersmith and Fulham switched to Conservative [before being abolished]. Think that was the only election I was ever in a marginal for. Couldn't bring myself to vote for Frank Dobson in 2001 [I see that is now Sir Keir's seat] and Emily Thornberry was just too smug to ever countenance voting for in 2010 [assume she is still the MP there]. In fairness, in recent years she seems less of a dick.

[Boydy]

Stop making excuses and just own it, lads.

[niko_cee]

Really, this is all Jeremy Corbyn's fault. If he wasn't so shit half of these idiots wouldn't have got in in the first place.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've gone back through all the elections I've voted in. Voted Labour once in a local election when I was young. Voted LD in the 2009 European elections and felt physically sick afterwards, like, pain shooting up my entire torso. No to AV, Leave in the referendum because I know Europe, we just don't think like them (impact of WW2 will go on for centuries, like it or not), and in the long run we are better off out of their silly federal institutions. 4 general elections I've voted for Dominic Raab four times in a row. Lots of shame involved there, especially in 2019, but had to be done to keep corbz out.

[randomlegend]

Voting Labour is other people's job. The country currently needs a fresh approach, which Labour will be the ones to provide. Doesn't mean I'm going to put my X against socialism. I'll vote Tory most times because we're a super country and most things about it should stay the same. Doesn't mean I dream about penetrating Jacob Rees-Mogg's unyielding Catholic sphincter while I queue at the polling station.

If you don't like that approach to life, then fuck you, have your own approach and enjoy it.

You sound like those Americans who deliberately fuck themselves over just to make sure black people's lives don't get any better.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Couldn't bring myself to vote for Frank Dobson in 2001 [I see that is now Sir Keir's seat]

I was in this seat in 2010 actually and voted for useless Chinese policeman George Lee. So only three times for Raab.

[niko_cee]

On the broad subject of the downfall of conservative politics in the UK can someone not do something about 'Lord Frost'? He was bad enough when he was confined to annoying whatever the French EU Negotiator guy was called [imagine forgetting that] but now he seems to be some sort of right-wing rentagob without portfolio he's beyond insufferable.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Someone did a gallery of his progression from 'Truss is best for Britain' (July) to 'Truss must resign for the country's sake' (October). He should be jailed without charge.

[mikem]

This is what it must be like for everyone else watching the silly politics here in the US.

I would much rather have a Tory party willing to blow up their own government twice in a year. That’s admittedly much healthier than what we’ve got.

[Lewis]

People like Peter Bone have been wrong about everything for 40 years, they can't just admit that their working lives have been an incompetent sham, so they'll push on to the bitter end, but the mass of the party will have an instinct for some form of self-preservation now if they didn't in the summer.

Right about everything for forty years.

[Boydy]

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Can't see Boris' ego going for that.

[Yevrah]

Indeed. It’s an utterly stupid idea from all concerned.

[niko_cee]

Morduant Home Sectretary under Richy Rich, Boris into No.11 for lolz [obviously not] or back to the Foreign Office [more likely but still no].

[Lofty]

Voting Labour is other people's job. The country currently needs a fresh approach, which Labour will be the ones to provide. Doesn't mean I'm going to put my X against socialism. I'll vote Tory most times because we're a super country and most things about it should stay the same. Doesn't mean I dream about penetrating Jacob Rees-Mogg's unyielding Catholic sphincter while I queue at the polling station.

If you don't like that approach to life, then fuck you, have your own approach and enjoy it.

Starmer's Labour is closer to David Cameron's offering in 2010 than 'socialism'.

[Ben]

I was going to comment similar but there was too much gubbins posted since so I left it.

[niko_cee]

I like the fact that Ben Elton's promo for his Friday Night Live Revival thing became dated before the show managed to get out.

[Boydy]

https://order-order.com/2022/10/20/whos-backing-who-the-spreadsheet-returns/

Boris in the lead at the minute.

Sunak's hit 100.

Boris on 68.

[Manc]

Notable that all the big hitters are backing Boris.

[Ben]

The odds reflect it as well. Sunak big odds on favourite again.

[Ben]

Notable that all the big hitters are backing Boris.

More fucking nutters than big hitters. And people see them as big hitters because Boris gave them jobs last time, so obviously they'll back him. Jimmy had a point that he probably has 80 diehard fans and not much beyond it.

[Ian]

If Boris got in a second time then it'd probably be worth provoking Vlad into nuking us and putting us out of our misery.

[Dave.]

What do the cells highlighted in green mean on that spreadsheet (such as cells 52-68 for Boris)? Are these people that have voted anonymously?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It tells you at the top...


Anonymous MPs: Whips, party board members,
Tory vice chairs and 1922 chairmen who have to
remain publicly neutral though have a vote.
Guido has verified all these names to be true.

[Dave.]

It tells you at the top...


Anonymous MPs: Whips, party board members,
Tory vice chairs and 1922 chairmen who have to
remain publicly neutral though have a vote.
Guido has verified all these names to be true.

Ah yes, I see it now. I'm on my phone so had to scroll across to see that writing.:thbup:

[Shindig]

If Boris got in a second time then it'd probably be worth provoking Vlad into nuking us and putting us out of our misery.

He doesn't need to do that. Just get Boris to celebrate at Zizi's.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Pizza Express a no go?

[Boydy]

Boris now on 69 (nice).

[Shindig]

Pizza Express a no go?

We want him dead, not in prison.

[John Arne]

Voting Labour is other people's job. The country currently needs a fresh approach, which Labour will be the ones to provide. Doesn't mean I'm going to put my X against socialism. I'll vote Tory most times because we're a super country and most things about it should stay the same.

What do you think Labour will do that will stop the UK from being a "super country"?

Which socialist policies are you so worried about?

[Spikey M]

More to the point, what exactly have the Conservatives conserved? They've been in charge for all but 17 years since 1951.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Now isn't really the best time to be arguing in favour of the Tories and against Labour, but on average, I don't believe it's a good thing for people to be perpetually dependent on the state, which is usually what happens on a wider scale when Labour are in power.

[niko_cee]

Disappointed RL isn't tracking Boris' plane here.

Against all reason it increasingly feels like this is going to happen.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It isn't.

[niko_cee]

How are they going to stitch him up? Just have Rishi get to 100 and no one else? I know it's electoral suicide no matter what they do, but doing that, and thus pissing off the only people who might countenance voting for you in the next GE seems another level of self-immolation. If Boris gets in front of the members [oi oi etc] they're clearly going to vote for him.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I don't think he has as much support as others think, and even if he does, if Rishi is say 220-130 ahead then he would have a serious problem of actually being able to govern. There would be a huge number of rebellions and maybe even defections from those who have a grasp of reality.

His mate Charles Moore has done a column this morning advising him not to run. My best guess is he will eventually drop out and maybe be given a Ukraine role by Sunak.

[Yevrah]

For the good of the country he has to drop out, if he runs, he wins. 100 is too low a bar to block him via the MP nomination part of the process and the membership are clearly batshit enough to vote for him - 36% still favoured Truss to Sunak a day or two before she went, according to one survey.

[Lofty]

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[Boydy]

BBC's Chris Mason reporting Big Dog has 100 backers.

[Yevrah]

We're gonna need something like this now to stop the inevitable:

1. Boris gets 100 backers
2. Boris announces he's running
3. ?????
4. Win for Sunak

[Shindig]

I feel like the campaign to get Boris out the first time took months. To welcome him back this quickly would be ridiculous.

I know we're in ridiculous times but still ...

[Ben]

Our problem is Conservative party members live in a completely different world so just like Truss, they’ll vote Boris and not have a clue why it blows up in their face.

[Lofty]

Supoosedly Sunak said he will bow out if Boris officially declares.

[Manc]

Source?

[7om]

So Boris as PM and Rishi in as Chancellor? What they gonna do next, bring in Nick Clegg as deputy?

This can’t be happening.