UK General Election 2017 - 8 June

[niko_cee]

It's more all these attempts at "coming up with a better deal". You've got your deal so it's that or none, so what's the timewasting about?

No one (or at least no one in a majority) in positions of power on either side wants the UK to leave.

[Spikey M]

Another extension. We want 30th June, Tusk, probably aware he will be granting extensions every 10 minutes, is set to say 'fuck it, just have another year you useless cunts'

[Spikey M]

If I were running the EU, I would just show the lot of them up by saying 'you know what, take as long as you want, just let us know when you're leaving'.

[Lewis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB6-gU5y2Pg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTE6cTBrGcA

Absolute nutcase.

[Yevrah]

She must be at least partially mentally ill, it's the only explanation for her carrying on this long.

[Boydy]

Who the fuck was holding that camera? Could they not have used a tripod?

[Shindig]

She must be at least partially mentally ill, it's the only explanation for her carrying on this long.

Because she can't give the job away. She sounds absolutely knackered.

[Yevrah]

She doesn't have to give it to anyone, she could just quit and let one of the many spineless fucks in her party do it.

[Lewis]

It must have become a mania thing because of how the NARRATIVE has shifted from wanting to get is passed simply in order to get on with the rest of her time in office (so much stuff left to ban and tax) to being willing to resign once it has passed, and blow up the Conservative Party passing it. Why carry on with it other than because you can't accept losing?

[Yevrah]

In all seriousness, there is no rational explanation I can think of. It's maniacal and has been for months.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Bet she was a milk monitor and fucking loved it as a kid.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The way she differs from Brown is that unlike him, she is thick as shit and has no intellectual basis for anything she does. It's all the worst kind of humourless English reaction to imagined threats that do not exist. I know her type. Most of them become English teachers at low grade private schools.

[Lewis]

The bunker accounts are going to be belting once Admiral Doenitz is safely in place. That story about her trying to use 'Brexit means Brexit' on the European waxworks will be the tip of the shiteberg.

[mugbull]

It's pretty obvious why she's carrying on, her career is ruined whether she leaves or not, and that's been the case for a year. If she quits, though, she's a quitter on top of everything else.

[Yevrah]

Her career’s fine. She’ll earn more outside of politics now anyway.

[Boydy]

I doubt it's about money.

If she quits, she'll go down in history as a completely useless PM who gave up when things got too tough. If she can see it through, she probably thinks history might remember her kindly. She maybe even thinks if she can deliver Brexit, she'll get a decent enough bounce in the polls to stay on.

[Shindig]

Not that history will remember her kindly, more that she can point to a thing she did in office. Otherwise, it's just a succession of votes culminating in the thing people voted for not happening.

[niko_cee]

She must be close to the worst Prime Minister in history now, who are the contenders? Eden always gets chucked in. Neville? There are probably a slew of non-modern-era divots. The 19th Century was pretty solid, Wellington, Peel, Disraeli, Gladstone, dunno about Lord Palmerston. Maybe an early 20th century bod like Asquith or Bonar Law if he ever got the job, for name alone.

Considering she's also completely torpedoed her own party she must also be in the running for straight worst political leader in modern British history. A million points clear in the polls to a fractured party staring down the barrel of a decade out of power in just a couple of years. Just goes to show, never threaten to take old peoples' homes off them.

[Ian]

Lord Palmerston.

Pitt. The. Elder.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Lord North is generally mentioned as the worst, although not sure how fair that is.

[Yevrah]

May is getting an unfairly rough ride here. Sure, she should have quit by now and she is rubbish, but she literally has an impossible job.

Cameron, for getting us into this mess in the first place, for no other reason than to protect his own position, was far far worse.

[phonics]

Cameron, for getting us into this mess in the first place, for no other reason than to protect his own position, was far far worse.

Speaking of Dave. Libya appears to be going well. I hear the airports just been bombed.

[Lewis]

Impossible job or not (I am obviously inclined to say not), she is a massive failed disgrace on the election campaign and habitual dishonesty alone. Edward Heath is the Gold Standard as far as shit post-war Prime Ministers go, and the similarities in terms of their approaches are pretty striking. I think she is running him pretty close now. Tony Blair was obviously terrible in terms of what I like, but you could at least say he succeeded on his own terms, which has to rule him out on any 'objective' measure.

[Lewis]

Speaking of Dave. Libya appears to be going well. I hear the airports just been bombed.

It's probably the best it's been at the moment insofar as there is the possibility of one person/body finally exercising a reasonable degree of control over the place [and killing Islamists and migrant smugglers]. Naturally then, we're doing our best to prevent that happening.

[Yevrah]

How can somebody who by his own judgement thought Brexit would be a disaster, but somehow conspired to deliver it anyway (arf), not be seen as worse than May?

[niko_cee]

He got the Conservatives elected as leader.

He may have botched things fairly spectacularly thereafter, but that is at least, in itself, an achievement.

May might have been bequeathed a poisoned chalice, but she seized it herself, willingly (realising no party in their right mind would elect such a leader in normal circumstances), managed to squander the majority she took over against the least electable Labour Party for 30 years and has generally overseen the most feckless government in many a generation with the sort of dogged incompetence which appears to be the hallmark of all her efforts in office.

Her final gift will be the oblivion offered by a Corbyn government.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/63885041/worst-government-ever.jpg

[Lewis]

I think David Cameron was crap, and will look crapper as time goes on (especially if Labour undo his main 'achievements' within a week of taking over), but there was a smash-up coming over Europe at some point. I'm sure he wouldn't have offered a vote up if he thought he was going to lose, but if he had won everyone would be calling him a legend for putting it to bed.

[phonics]

"If completely the opposite thing happened, he would have been called a genius!" is some top level analysis of a politician.

[Lewis]

The point I'm trying to make is that it's all irrelevant to his standing, and largely happened in spite of him. Remain like to blame him as part of their NARRATIVE that nobody actually cared about Europe, and that we have all been hijacked by a Conservative Party drama, but that is a comfort blanket for idiots.

[Spikey M]

Her final gift will be the oblivion offered by a Corbyn government.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/63885041/worst-government-ever.jpg

I honestly think a reanimated Zombie-Clegg would have a better chance of being elected than J-Corbz. He will never win an election.

[Boydy]

Can't wait till Niko's in the gulag. :drool:

[Shindig]

May might have been bequeathed a poisoned chalice, but she seized it herself, willingly (realising no party in their right mind would elect such a leader in normal circumstances), managed to squander the majority she took over against the least electable Labour Party for 30 years and has generally overseen the most feckless government in many a generation with the sort of dogged incompetence which appears to be the hallmark of all her efforts in office.


The alternative was Angela Leadsom. Boris and Gove backed right the fuck out. It was the equivalent of picking sides at footy and everyone taking a step back.

[Waffdon]

Happy Margaret Thatcher is broon bread Day troops x

[phonics]

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These lot will do anything to be on TV.

On that note, why do I have to keep hearing from Mark France talking about fighting them on the beaches etc. all the time? He doesn't seem to be a particularly powerful or influential character but gets on TV all day because he'll talk about the Germans like he wants to call them Bosch.

[Ian]

Mark Francois won WW2 by himself, mate.

Show some fucking respect.

[Jimmy Floyd]

TV will put anyone on who gets them eyeballs, it's a bit embarrassing. I've heard from the inside that when you get booked onto things like Newsnight, they are looking for people to take a predefined adversarial stance and if you say 'Well, actually...' then they bin you and book a rent-a-gob.

The hardline Brexiteers are now blaming the Queen for not blocking Cooper-Letwin, they have gone insane.

[Spikey M]

How would having Oliver Cromwell dig himself up help?

[Disco]

He'd have a solution for the Irish backstop at least.

[Bernanke]

What's the general opinion on Bercow? I fell into the Youtube-rabbithole of "highlights" of him donning it, but being involved in British politics I'm sure he's a complete twat in reality right?

[Jimmy Floyd]

He's a complete twat of almost remarkable proportions. If we did a draft of all 650 MPs to have a drink with, he would be right in the last 20 on my list along with the likes of Caroline Lucas, Bill Cash and Keith Vaz.

[Disco]

Even Keith Vaz is on the 'I hate Keith Vaz' bandwagon.

[Yevrah]

Bercow is a self-publicising arse.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47874367

Another year of this will they wont they bullshit?

[Magic]

So smug. They know it'll never happen. Elitist wankers.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

What's the general opinion on Bercow? I fell into the Youtube-rabbithole of "highlights" of him donning it, but being involved in British politics I'm sure he's a complete twat in reality right?

It is fairly evident he loves hearing himself, not great when he's meant to be speaker.

[niko_cee]

Extension until Halloween.

All sorts of subtext there. Shame they managed to talk M. Biscuit out of his tree.

[Lewis]

She had previously ruled out anything beyond the end of June, so presumably she will be telling them to fuck off or resigning.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

She'll be fine with it due to the whole 'review at end of June'.

Just cancel it you cunt.

[Shindig]

If she drags it out long enough, does she think the remainers and saboteurs will tire enough to pass a vote?

[niko_cee]

I think the idea is for the opposite, ie 'exhausting' all options and so having to have another vote. Which hopefully goes the right way this time. I think at this point there is one form of potential disaster that has to be faced up to and accepted, the economic one from leaving, or the political one from not. I tend to think the latter is actually the more dangerous in the long term, but there isn't much traction for that line of thinking so it'll be stay and hope that Nigel Farage hasn't turned into the bad guy from V for Vendetta in 10 years.

[Lewis]

If it is actually worth reading anything into her tragic witterings today (citing getting them down from a hundred billion to thirty-nine as an achievement cheers love), a remain vs not leaving referendum sounds like the end of it.

[Yevrah]

It’s not her fault. The only way to leave the EU is to leave without a deal and MP’s don’t even want to leave, let alone do that.

[Giggles]

I just got this from Revolut. Christ.



You're probably Reesly sick of hearing about Brexit by now. We understand. It's all very Merkely and confusing.

We're sorry to Boris you with more Brexit stuff, but please don't send this email to your Juncker folder. We have an important message you May want to hear.

For now, all our politicians have stopped having a Barnier about what deal to sign. This is good news. It means that you'll stay as part of our UK entity for the foreseeable future, and that you don’t need to do anything on your side for now. There's a Chancellor this will change in the future, but we will keep you up to date as developments continue.

We suggest that you celebrate by using your Revolut card to go out and buy a sweet treat. Maybe a strawberry Macron.

[phonics]

I’ve never heard of them or know what they do/sell but if I ever do have the bad fortune to encounter whatever they are. I will boycott it/throw a brick through their window.

[Disco]

The entire process will struggle to produce anything more hateful than that paragraph.

[Giggles]

I’ve never heard of them or know what they do/sell but if I ever do have the bad fortune to encounter whatever they are. I will boycott it/throw a brick through their window.

They do a better bank card than my bank, or the vast majority of banks, do. Luckily the service is infinitely better than their abilities at humour.

[phonics]

They do a better bank card than my bank, or the vast majority of banks, do. Luckily the service is infinitely better than their abilities at humour.

I’m sure innocent drinks are very nice but I refuse to endorse their ‘witty’ brand with my purchase.

[Giggles]

I’m sure innocent drinks are very nice but I refuse to endorse their ‘witty’ brand with my purchase.

Innocent are a very 2010 example. Are they still a thing?

Anyway, if it works it works and I'm not paying them for humour. Actually I'm not paying them anything.

[phonics]

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These lot will do anything to be on TV.

On that note, why do I have to keep hearing from Mark France talking about fighting them on the beaches etc. all the time? He doesn't seem to be a particularly powerful or influential character but gets on TV all day because he'll talk about the Germans like he wants to call them Bosch.

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lol

[Giggles]

I'd got bored of all this and stopped following but knew it's been delayed again. Is it June or Halloween? I thought the former but the Mrs reckons October.

[Yevrah]

October, but May is hoping to get it sorted sooner.

It won't be. We're not leaving.

[Shindig]

It'll be all over by Christmas.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I reckon end of August/start of September we'll have another referendum.

[Giggles]

I don't need to chase up on the green card at this stage at least.

[Lewis]

Everyone accusing Nigel Farage of incitement to murder suggests that lessons have been learned, and I look forward to voting for his tinpot publicity vehicle.

[Spikey M]

https://i.postimg.cc/Y960db4H/20190413-193522.jpg

Looks like the bastard offspring of John Lydon and a bailiff wants my vote. Why not? :cool:

[ItalAussie]

So I've only been glancing at this thread since it all started happening, because the story is just dragging too much now. Do you all basically feel how you did at the brexit election? Or has the debacle caused anyone here to change their mind?

[Giggles]

The mentality of a person who voted for this in the first place would never be swayed by anything.

[Spikey M]

If we repeated it I think leave would win by a bigger margin, purely as a middle finger to Parliament.

Personally, I'd still vote remain, but to be honest I'll take No Deal Brexit if it makes this shit fuck off pronto.

[Lewis]

Everything that has happened since the vote proves why it was the correct decision.

[niko_cee]

I think the result would go the other way if they ran it again, bur for various reasons they won't so it's hard to tell. I don't think it would be a massive swing, maybe the reverse or a bit more for remain but you'd still get around 45% for leave I reckon.

It's definitely more than a little odd that the membership of a supranational trading bloc has proven to be such a divisive and emotive issue.

[Disco]

I don't think opinion has changed greatly, the swing would be from people realising the sheer incompetence of our MP's and their inability to do anything vaguely complicated. That should have been the primary position taken by the Remain campaign, they'd have won a landslide.

[Shindig]

Yep. Instead they campaigned on 'Stronger together'. People can't latch on to that.

[Magic]

If we'd win the independence referendum BREXIT would have never even materialised.

[Disco]

We'd have been too busy lolling at your economy and offering Alec Salmond asylum.

[ItalAussie]

Everything that has happened since the vote proves why it was the correct decision.

I'm curious how this conclusion comes about? It seems like the people trying to get brexit to work couldn't run a bath.

[Lewis]

It's revealed the true nature of both the European Union and the wankers who run the country. For decades, effectively from Day One, Eurosceptics (which until recently didn't necessarily mean leaving) have for the most part been painted as cranks obsessed with a non-existent threat to our sovereignty and institutions. The line was that the European Union barely had any influence over the country, and that it was basically just going along with a couple of laws to facilitate trade. And how could anyone really oppose that? I wouldn't, insofar as you expect some degree of harmonisation and/or standard recognition in any free trade arrangement (you then get the implicit notion that any opposition must actually be about something else, but whatever).

The minute we vote to leave it turns out that it is a bit more complicated than that, because politicians have nodded through forty years worth of integrationist legislation without bothering to a) think about it; and b) explain it honestly or properly. The Eurosceptics - simply as a matter of fact, regardless of whether you are for or against it - were right all along. And now these same dickheads have the balls to say that leave campaigners never set out the difficulties of leaving. Which they didn't, to be fair, because why would you; but really lads (see also: 'Remain and Reform').

This needs to happen. The fact the state has fucked it up is irrelevant. The British government fucks everything up. You price that in. Especially when you're dealing with a bunch of intransigent tossers on the other side treating it all (not unfairly) as an existential threat to the 'Project'. It's what it's done below that. Everything the political class thought they knew about their profession has been blown up, and what little reputation any of them had for competence has gone with it. It's why they're going to the lengths they're going to to avoid implementing the result. It's like the Suez Crisis. There's no going back. Even if, as then, we bumble along for another decade acting like it never happened, at some point it will hit them.

[Spikey M]

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:D

[Lewis]

I hope she gets fined or whatever the sanction is.

[mugbull]

It's definitely more than a little odd that the membership of a supranational trading bloc has proven to be such a divisive and emotive issue.

I don’t think it’s odd at all. Why do you think it’s odd?

[Spoonsky]

It's definitely more than a little odd that the membership of a supranational trading bloc has proven to be such a divisive and emotive issue.

Because it's not about trade, it's about IDENTITY. Are you British, European, citizen-of-the-world? It was always going to be decided by that question. Hence all the #IAmEuropean shit since.

[mugbull]

Yaaaaasssss kween, the American gets it

[Magic]

Who is this Julia Hartley bitch or whatever the fuck her name is. What a self important, odious cunt she is.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The people 'feeling European' stuff didn't come out until after they lost, before that it was all about economics and fingers-in-ears complacency.

[Lewis]

This (https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/man-voting-to-stay-in-eu-because-he-thinks-hes-sophisticated-20160422108212) was the best analysis of it.

[Shindig]

Man is capitalised like it's an insult.

[Baz]

This (https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/man-voting-to-stay-in-eu-because-he-thinks-hes-sophisticated-20160422108212) was the best analysis of it.Jeez that website is like an article jammed into a page full of ads, rather than the other way around.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The European elections are looking fun. I'm thinking of voting for Change UK, just so I know how it feels to be the most vapid piece of shit in the world.

[Shindig]

Wow, Corbyn's response to the Ilkley Moor fire has been excellent.


Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn tweeted that the "awful scenes" on the moor were a reminder "of why we urgently need to tackle climate change".

24 hours later, the police make some arson arrests.

[Magic]

Ok but that's because the grass is extremely dry and thus very vulnerable to fire, regardless of cause.

[Pepe]

They were turned to arson due to the unseasonably mild temperatures last winter.

[Magic]

Or because of a toxic Tory policy of needles austerity destroying communities.

[Boydy]

Comrade Magic. :drool:

[Lewis]

Everyone within five miles of that fire is minted and/or ninety.

[Magic]

Comrade Magic. :drool:

Zeig Heil brother.

[Shindig]

Everyone within five miles of that fire is minted and/or ninety.

Or an arsonist.

[randomlegend]

Based on what I see through the fiance, the education system in this country is even more fucked than the NHS. The sheer volume of work they have to contend with due to all the bureaucratic bullshit is insane. She's now special educational needs co-ordinator as an additional role and the paperwork just to get these kids the funding they need is bonkers. There are forms shell have to do for one individual kid that are 100+ pages long. I bet half the kids who need stuff don't get it just because nobody has time to fill the forms in.

Budgets are being cut left right and centre. Teachers dropping out like flies. My auntie (who is a legend) has been teaching for like 35+ years and last time I saw her just said she feels that for the first time ever she's defeated by it all.

I honestly think it's going to fall apart. It's completely unsustainable. I don't think people realise how bad it's got.

Edit: idk if secondary is as bad, this is all primary.

[Boydy]

https://i1.wp.com/uncensoredopinion.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/DVx8KsRX4AA_FwB.jpg

[Lewis]

You wonder how we were ever educated with per pupil spending less than half what it is now.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'd be interested to see a Corbyn government purely to see where they would find all this money to make up these funding shortfalls. They would have to borrow every penny of it, I would guess (as all the 'tax the rich' stuff people would go on about would raise about 10p), and then the results would inevitably be patchy at best, because people are bad at running things.

The only long term solutions are either selling it all off into some kind of Toby Young dystopia, or engineering a society where everyone (lower and middle incomes included) accepts that punitively high taxation is worth it and that their personal disposable income - ability to buy flashy consumer goods, go on holiday etc - has to take the hit. That latter option is a long, long, long way away at the moment.

[randomlegend]

You wonder how we were ever educated with per pupil spending less than half what it is now.

I'm sure it's not as straightforward as that, and I'm sure you know that too. Neither of us know enough about all the factors involved to pretend to be able to properly analyse something as crude as per pupil spending.

What I see is the front line experience of both a new teacher and someone in it for many many years.

One I see working 65+ hour weeks just to feel like they are barely doing a decent job. Her school are REALLY well off compared to most, and they've just had a budget cut for next year and are having to lay off teaching assistants. Schools in poorer situations already are just not going to cope. Schools are having to send home letters asking parents to donate basic supplies like books and stationary; a huge percentage of teachers are having to buy similar stuff out of their own money just to keep their classes afloat.

My auntie I hear saying this is the worst it's ever been in her career by far, that she's considering jacking it in for the first time. My uncle who was a teacher for 35 years also has already left.

You like to make flippant comments and pretend everyone is just whining, but my experience is that that couldn't be further from the truth; these people love teaching and want it to work but it's becoming unsustainable to fill in the gaps with their good will. They just want to be able to do a good job for their kids.

It's the same in the NHS. You talk to consultants in their 50s and 60s and they unanimously say the service is in the worst place it's ever been; they are ashamed of what we are able to provide our patients compared to the past. The acute departments at the hospital I work at are hanging by a thread.

It's just sad.

[Lewis]

It will all be borrowed. Sorry, invested. At least until all the investments fall to pieces like they did last time.

[Kikó]

Labour could start using the magic money tree like the Tory government does.

[Kikó]

Sorry it's laughable to question Labour's ability to manage the economy when you've got the shitshow that the tories have been for the past 9 years.

[Lewis]

That's a bit like shooting yourself to cure dandruff.

[randomlegend]

It's not all about MORE MONEY. So much of what goes on is just insanely wasteful.

There are so many patients you see who just need a little bit of social support to prevent HUGE amounts of NHS money being spent caring for them.

Overall you could spend so much less on these people. But the social care budget doesn't have the money so they don't get looked after and then they come to hospital and then the NHS have no choice but to look after them and then that's the NHS budget instead so it's all good. It's insane.

We had a patient in ITU for like a month recently who never would've ended up there if they had a safe place to live. You could probably house them for their entire life for the cost of that ITU stay.

[Kikó]

That's a bit like shooting yourself to cure dandruff.


So there is some belief that the Tories are economically competent? That is absolutely laughable.

[Lewis]

Not really, but I'll pick insipid declinism over literal retardation ten times out of ten.

[Lewis]

It's not all about MORE MONEY. So much of what goes on is just insanely wasteful.

There are so many patients you see who just need a little bit of social support to prevent HUGE amounts of NHS money being spent caring for them.

Overall you could spend so much less on these people. But the social care budget doesn't have the money so they don't get looked after and then they come to hospital and then the NHS have no choice but to look after them and then that's the NHS budget instead so it's all good. It's insane.

We had a patient in ITU for like a month recently who never would've ended up there if they had a safe place to live. You could probably house them for their entire life for the cost of that ITU stay.

See also: British Leyland; National Coal Board; British Rail...

[Pepe]

You wonder how we were ever educated with per pupil spending less than half what it is now.

Cost disease is a bitch, isn't it?

[Lewis]

I don't know what that is because my school couldn't afford walls.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Sorry it's laughable to question Labour's ability to manage the economy when you've got the shitshow that the tories have been for the past 9 years.

You can (and probably should) argue that they've managed public services poorly, but 'the economy' is doing just fine compared to any comparable European state.

[Magic]

See also: British Leyland; National Coal Board; British Rail...

Different now given we're a global society.

[Magic]

You can (and probably should) argue that they've managed public services poorly, but 'the economy' is doing just fine compared to any comparable European state.

Correct, and our institutions and communities are massively suffering as a result. Go and ask 99% of the country if their finances reflect the 5th biggest economy in the world.

[Shindig]

You could ask 99% of Americans a similar question and get a similar set of answers.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Or anyone in any developed country.

[Spikey M]

As if Dan from Scunthorpe has any idea about the financial situation of people in G8 countries anyway.

[Lewis]

We're the twenty-somethingth in the measure what counts in this sense, which I imagine feels about right. That 'fifth richest economy' meme probably gives some insight into how those idiots would manage things.

[Pepe]

I don't know what that is because my school couldn't afford walls.

https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/02/09/considerations-on-cost-disease/

TL;DR: Everything is fucked.

[Lewis]

And I can't read because it never had a floor.

[Pepe]

At least there was an outdoors club.

[Lewis]

The outdoors had been run down for privatisation.

[Magic]

You could ask 99% of Americans a similar question and get a similar set of answers.

Correct, now do you see the problem of the world being run by elites for elites? Time for a revolution.

[Shindig]

Nah, we just need to get better at holding what we've got.

[Boydy]

Nah, we just need to get better at holding what we've got.

What does this even mean?

[Kikó]

Shindig offers complete bollocks often on these matters.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Revolution just changes who the elites are, it doesn't change the facts of life.

[Magic]

Shindig offers complete bollocks often on these matters.

He's a perfect painting of a subservient.

[Shindig]

What does this even mean?

Learn to fucking save. Most people are model consumers but shit savers.

[phonics]

The problem with the current system is that it’s inhabited with the idiot children of the people who created it so you have stuff like a CEO Rich guy running for President saying ‘The majority of Americans aren’t Democrats. The majority of Americans aren’t Republicans. The majority of Americans are Americans’ (direct quote) and “Socialism inevitably produces stagnation, corruption and often worse.” (Different CEO) Without a hint of irony.

It’s a bit like that head of the PFA, Graham Taylor claiming his 2 million a year salary is a fair reflection in the increase in player salaries under his tenure as if he had anything to do with it. Most heads of anything are complete frauds.

[phonics]

Learn to fucking save. Most people are model consumers but shit savers.

That you think anything about the current system globally has anything to do with individual savings accounts shows you should probably keep quiet.

[Magic]

That you think anything about the current system globally has anything to do with individual savings accounts shows you should probably keep quiet.

He probably thinks investing in energy saving lightbulbs saves the planet too despite like 99.9% of emissions being generated by about 100 corps.

[phonics]

That stat about China using more concrete in 3 years than the US did in the last century is always the one that gets me. Shindig could have not spent a single penny on rent/food/living and his total earnings wouldn't get him a meeting with 99.9% of the people who matter.

Wages haven't gone up since the 70s but production/efficiency and GDP have nearly tripled and because he only interacts with others on his level, assumes they must be the problem.

It's an easy mistake to make, (look at all the people blaming all their woes on Poles and Muslims) but it's still a mistake.

[Lewis]

The field of retards the opposition has assembled to potentially challenge President Donald J. Trump is really impressive. Everyone appears to know it as well, since coffin-dodging white men 'Sleepy Joe' and 'Crazy Bernie' seem to be the only credible ones. Hasn't anyone ever sat 'Beto' down and told him what an absolute whopper he is?

[phonics]

The field of retards the opposition has assembled to potentially challenge President Donald J. Trump is really impressive. Everyone appears to know it as well, since coffin-dodging white men 'Sleepy Joe' and 'Crazy Bernie' seem to be the only credible ones. Hasn't anyone ever sat 'Beto' down and told him what an absolute whopper he is?

Warren till I die and she's going to get 4% of the vote in New Hampshire and bow out because she pussied out of challenging Clinton in the first place so Bernie gets all the name recognition.

[Lewis]

I liked her idea of using a wealth tax to subsidise comparatively wealthy college graduates.

[phonics]

Yeah, it's called supporting an increasingly burdened by debt middle class, I thought you were a Conservative?

You can't point to the stock-market doing well as the middle class doing well anymore when 50% of the country doesn't have a single asset in it.

[Lewis]

It does nothing about the actual problem of pointlessly expensive (unnecessary) education, presumably because that particular racket is the most vested of vested interests, and why do anything about that when you can just shuffle money about between groups still doing better than average and look like you are? It's like 'Help to Buy' for degrees.

[mugbull]

A wealth tax would be the greatest single policy proposal in decades if only they could find a way for everyone to stop stashing their shit in Bermuda and Monte Carlo

[Boydy]

What changes would you like to see being made by (any) government, Lewis? You always seem to be defending the status quo.

[phonics]

A wealth tax would be the greatest single policy proposal in decades if only they could find a way for everyone to stop stashing their shit in Bermuda and Monte Carlo

The same way they stopped it US citizens doing it in Switzerland. They don't do it because they don't want to because they're using them.

[Spikey M]

What changes would you like to see being made by (any) government, Lewis? You always seem to be defending the status quo.

Forcing walls and floors on his old School.

[mugbull]

The same way they stopped it US citizens doing it in Switzerland. They don't do it because they don't want to because they're using them.

What happened there?

[Lewis]

What changes would you like to see being made by (any) government, Lewis? You always seem to be defending the status quo.

It probably appears that way because I work on the assumption that they can only make things worse.

[Giggles]

It probably appears that way because I work on the assumption that they can only make things worse.

That's one of the main reasons I give when people get up in arms that I'm not on the voting register.

[mikem]

What happened there?

Delaware?

[phonics]

What happened there?

UBS was going over to Americans telling them to hide their money in Switzerland. The thing that specifically annoyed them was that the US is the only country on the planet that demands income tax on money earned by US citizens overseas and UBS was helping them hide it.

They made Switzerland sign a 'trade agreement' that is literally just 'If we find an American hiding money and you haven't previously informed you about it, there'll be trouble' https://www.bj.admin.ch/dam/data/bj/wirtschaft/fallubs/abkommen-e.pdf

This was the same administration that said it couldn't charge anyone in HSBC America with a crime for laundering Mexican Drug Cartel money despite it having all the evidence because it would 'have affected the economic recovery'.

It's all fraud based on whos money is where at any one point.

[mugbull]

Didn’t know about that. Thanks

[phonics]

Didn’t know about that. Thanks

It was big news here, they said it would be the end of private banking as they knew it but forgot that the US, much like any Mafia, was pissed about not getting it's vig rather than any moral issue.

My friends get around it by sending $9,999 at a time as anything below 10,000 doesn't get flagged.

[mugbull]

It was big news here, they said it would be the end of private banking as they knew it but forgot that the US, much like any Mafia, was pissed about not getting it's vig rather than any moral issue.


I mean, that's one and the same. It's a moral issue because the state isn't getting the tax revenues

[phonics]

That's very naive. They miss out on loads of revenues because they're paid/'influenced' accordingly.

Here's a story of the IRS having a guy who skipped out on 1.2billion in tax revenue bang to rights and they settled for a few million.

https://www.propublica.org/article/ultrawealthy-taxes-irs-internal-revenue-service-global-high-wealth-audits

[Lewis]

lol out loud at these blockbuster 'TIG' candidates. Still time for James Purnell to burst out dressed as Austin Powers too.

[Boydy]

lol out loud at these blockbuster 'TIG' candidates. Still time for James Purnell to burst out dressed as Austin Powers too.

Frances Weetman. :D

[Lewis]

As if they turned Richard Dawkins down just because he's no good at Twitter anymore.

[Boydy]

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:lol:

[Lewis]

I was going to say that seems a bit harsh assuming he said it about ten years ago, so lol at that.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Change UK is fucking fascinating. They will be a second year politics undergrad essay topic for decades to come. I might join them just so I can say I was there.

[Lewis]

Join for the irony, stay for the actually it turns out I agree with a lot of what...

[Jimmy Floyd]

They are more in my philosophical slot than, say, the Brext Party, but at the same time they have Gavin Esler running as a number one list candidate so they are beyond the jokiest of jokes.

[phonics]

My favourite pundit thing is when people invent a completely absurd hypothetical and then get really mad about it coming to pass. This one from probably the thickest member of the online twitter pundit class is amazing:

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[phonics]

Oh also see Toby Young getting FUCKING MAD at the exsitence of that 16 year old climate change activist.

[Boydy]

So was Brendan O'Neill.

[Boydy]

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:D

Seething.

[phonics]

So was Brendan O'Neill.

Yeah I saw that the way she spoke sounded 'weird' which probably isn't the best thing to say about someone with aspergers.

[Lewis]

Good for them. Someone needs to tell that mong to fuck off.

[phonics]

I seriously don't understand how you can have a strong opinion either way. It's like having it out for that Malala girl from Afghanistan or whatever. It just marks you out as a fucking weirdo.

[Spikey M]

Climate activists are like Harcore Remainers. I'm on their side, but they piss me off more than their opposition. Anytime I encounter them it makes me want to chuck every bit of plastic I own in the fucking sea.

[phonics]

Activists of any sort are annoying but nothing happens without them so you learn to live with it.

edit: Another Change UK candidates tweets have surfaced. This time 'Black women scare me' and another one saying that MPs should vote for Theresa Mays plan. lol

[Lewis]

I seriously don't understand how you can have a strong opinion either way. It's like having it out for that Malala girl from Afghanistan or whatever. It just marks you out as a fucking weirdo.

It's not so much her as everyone fawning over her, despite the fact that 1) she is just repeating pretty conventional environmentalist talking points; and 2) has clearly been put up to it by her parents. If it was some smelly twat talking about a general strike for the climate Michael Gove and co. would quite rightly lol them out of the room, but because some spoon-faced retard has been groomed into it people are treating it as great wisdom. She has more in common with that ISIS bride than Malala Shotintheface.

[phonics]

So your issue is with other people not her.

[Lewis]

All of it, which could be dealt with in accordance with my original post.

[Pepe]

The whole 'children for climate change' or whatever movement can fuck right off. Nobody should give a shit what kids think, they know nothing. The people putting them up for that should be ashamed.

[Shindig]

A new human life does more damage to the environment than a plane in the air ever could.

[Giggles]

The whole 'children for climate change' or whatever movement can fuck right off. Nobody should give a shit what kids think, they know nothing. The people putting them up for that should be ashamed.

Did someone hack Pepes account?

[phonics]

A new human life does more damage to the environment than a plane in the air ever could.

May as well just give up then.

[Shindig]

Suicide would certainly help.

[randomlegend]

http://www.vhemt.org/

Get on-board.

[Shindig]

Oh, wow. Committed. :D

[niko_cee]

Is it just me or has there been a massive overreaction to this woman being shot in whichever part of Ireland she was in at the time (Northern?)?

Or is it a perfect storm type thing?

[phonics]

Saudi murdered what 40 people the other day and there’s barely been a noise in comparison to Khasoggi. The media cares more when it’s one of their own.

[niko_cee]

When it happened I did wonder how many times you have the profession of a victim quite so front and centre of a thing.

I'm largely ignorant of the facts, but assumed it was more of an accidental killing than a deliberate act - is that not the case?

Female LBGTQIA journalist shot in the heart of brexitland, I suppose it could only have been more of a story if it had been some far-right nutbar who'd done it.

[Magic]

I'd probably fuck Greta Thornburg.

When she's of age, of course.

[Lewis]

Andrew Adonis being nobbled by the Labour leadership is lol beyond belief.

[igor_balis]

crusty climate change activists with their dreadlocks and shit might be more annoying than the semi-imminent destruction of our planet, but some of you cunts would still be rolling your eyes and lolling at vegans or something even if you were literally drowning to death in toxic co2 icecap water or whatever it is, i don't really know how climate science works tbf but go with it.

[Boydy]

When it happened I did wonder how many times you have the profession of a victim quite so front and centre of a thing.

I'm largely ignorant of the facts, but assumed it was more of an accidental killing than a deliberate act - is that not the case?

Female LBGTQIA journalist shot in the heart of brexitland, I suppose it could only have been more of a story if it had been some far-right nutbar who'd done it.

It was accidental in the sense that they fired at the police but there was a whole crowd gathered watching what was going on so they basically just fired into a crowd.

It's pretty symbolic of the state of Northern Ireland at the minute though which is probably why it's such a big story. We haven't had a government for over two years and all the while paramiltary activity has been bubbling away under the surface and erupts from time to time. That this person of the 'ceasefire babies' generation (check out her article (https://mosaicscience.com/story/conflict-suicide-northern-ireland/) on such - it's good) and seemingly had a bright future ahead of her (had a two book deal signed with Faber & Faber) was killed by these morons who cling on to bitter old shite just seems to sum up all that's wrong with this place. The majority of the most promising people from here leave - either when they go to uni or if the stay here for uni, often afterwards to find decent work. And when you see this sort of crap, is it any wonder.

Not sure what you mean by 'the heart of brexitland'.

[Baz]

This is a genuine leaflet posted out in one area of St. Helens:

https://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/resources/images/9787379.jpg

Link if image doesn't work: https://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/resources/images/9787379.jpg

Source: https://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/news/17608366.labour-campaign-leaflets-thought-to-be-malicious-hoax-confirmed-as-genuine/

:cab:

[Ian]

He's got my vote.

[Lewis]

Every leaflet I'm getting seems very keen to stress that THIS IS ABOUT LOCAL ISSUES. Unfortunately, they all seem to be boasting about all the houses they have killed off, so fuck them.

[Jimmy Floyd]

People would like house building more if it wasn't all a massively corrupt bung to developers with no commensurate increase in parking, infrastructure and services.

[Spikey M]

This is a genuine leaflet posted out in one area of St. Helens:

https://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/resources/images/9787379.jpg

Link if image doesn't work: https://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/resources/images/9787379.jpg

Source: https://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/news/17608366.labour-campaign-leaflets-thought-to-be-malicious-hoax-confirmed-as-genuine/

:cab:

Even as TTH's Chief of Typo's I'm offended by this shit.

[phonics]

Lol that Gavin Williamson twat has been sacked for leaking the Huawei stuff. Couldn't happen to a nicer bloke.

[Lewis]

He was right to leak it. We shouldn't be going anywhere near Chinese technology.

[Yevrah]

Care to elaborate?

[phonics]

Care to elaborate?

We are literally giving the number one surveillance state in the world internal access to our defense systems and ultimately infrastructure because they'll do it on the cheap.

[Lewis]

I think there is also some weird 'influence' dimension in that we think it will help us secure a trade agreement with the Chinese, which is lol because 1) why would a few quid on 'non-core' components make a difference; 2) why would that be worth our intelligence co-operation with the Anglosphere (which is the actual best international agreement we have); and 3) it was always going to be US vs China in trade agreements so what?

I'm a low-level Ministry of Defence pleb (albeit one with security clearances), and I was told never to buy a Huawei phone. My friend in the Navy was told likewise about three years ago. They suck everything up as a matter of course and then decide what to do with it. How the absolute fuck the government can think this is a good idea is absolutely deranged, and the way they have gone after the leaker is proper Berlin bunker stuff.

[Spikey M]

When Giggles see's this anti-Huawei sentiment he's going to lose his shit.

[phonics]

Cybersecurity and tech is exactly what this country should be investing in not outsourcing it to the most untrustworthy country on the planet when it comes to this sort of stuff.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Huawei phones are great.

[Yevrah]

Cheers Lewis, always an interesting read. Agree with the Berlin bunker stuff, will be interesting what he says now the shackles are off.

[Magic]

Huawei phones are great.

Exactly god the Useless Kingdom actually builds a fucking network that is fast and reliable.

[Magic]

I think there is also some weird 'influence' dimension in that we think it will help us secure a trade agreement with the Chinese, which is lol because 1) why would a few quid on 'non-core' components make a difference; 2) why would that be worth our intelligence co-operation with the Anglosphere (which is the actual best international agreement we have); and 3) it was always going to be US vs China in trade agreements so what?

I'm a low-level Ministry of Defence pleb (albeit one with security clearances), and I was told never to buy a Huawei phone. My friend in the Navy was told likewise about three years ago. They suck everything up as a matter of course and then decide what to do with it. How the absolute fuck the government can think this is a good idea is absolutely deranged, and the way they have gone after the leaker is proper Berlin bunker stuff.

Lol what were you told to buy then? And what OS/apps? Fact of the matter is we're all fucked.

[Giggles]

They're grand til you actually have to use one for an extended period. If they could just get the 'Samsung circa 2013' out of the software then they'd be class though.

[Boydy]

Care to elaborate?

Haven't you played Homefront: The Revolution?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They're grand til you actually have to use one for an extended period. If they could just get the 'Samsung circa 2013' out of the software then they'd be class though.

I love my P20 Pro.

[Giggles]

I love my P20 Pro.

I've the 30 Pro that I use as a camera and it's seriously good but I couldn't live with that software every day.

[Lewis]

He is protesting this to the point where he is either insane or actually not responsible.

[Spikey M]

I'm just glad Apple and Samsung aren't monitoring our every movement.

[bruhnaldo]

They really do and it's fucking sick.

I can log onto my work computer, which is supposed to go through some random server in Tennessee, but if I go to google maps it'll show my actual location per my phone.

I don't recall saying "Ya google mate that's fine track my life please".

Whole thing is fucked.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They really do and it's fucking sick.

I can log onto my work computer, which is supposed to go through some random server in Tennessee, but if I go to google maps it'll show my actual location per my phone.

I don't recall saying "Ya google mate that's fine track my life please".

Whole thing is fucked.

Go to your Timeline...

Although it's pretty cool when you go on holiday so you can track exactly where you've been. Forever.

[bruhnaldo]

omg i'm fucking sick to my stomach

https://i.imgur.com/yuGuoM5.png

what the fuck.

[bruhnaldo]

omg that's not even the worst bit.

it shows how long i was at certain places.... shows what time i was there, when i left.

i'm fucking ill.

[Boydy]

At least they actually show you they're collecting that data. Just think of all the stuff they collect and don't tell you about.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

At least they actually show you they're collecting that data. Just think of all the stuff they collect and don't tell you about.

You're going to break his little mind.

[bruhnaldo]

Well that's honestly the thing that makes me sick if I'm honest. That they're so blatant about it.

I knew they could do all of this stuff and considering they'll tell me "parked car update" or "51 minutes to work, traffic is light" without me inputting anything so I was hardly completely oblivious.

But the fact that this has been sitting on google for almost a solid year has me shook as fuck.

But trust me I'm under no illusion they have absolutely everything about me in a tidy, easily accessible database.

I don't reckon they'll ever be able to weaponize any of my rather tame fetishes, for example, so in the long run it's okay... but for fuck sake.

[phonics]

I'm just glad Apple and Samsung aren't monitoring our every movement.

Literally the only good thing about Apple is that they don't collect any of that stuff. It's Peer-to-Phone hence why the FBI can subpeona Amazon for Amazon Echo recordings but not Apple for Facetime conversations.

[igor_balis]

People would like house building more if it wasn't all a massively corrupt bung to developers with no commensurate increase in parking, infrastructure and services.

Aye, 100%.

My town is a perfect example. Ruggerz went from a population of 59000 in 1971 to 62000 in 2001, to 70000 in 2011. Since 2011 we've had shit loads of new estates built, and I'd imagine the population is 80k+. Problem is, the new estates have generally been built at the arse end of previously existing housing.

No new amenities like parks and shit, no new schools and absolutely no new relief roads. Just acres of suburban hell with no consideration of logistics because why would you bother? I know I'm a pathetic lefty loser, but for what little it's worth, i'd say this kind of shit is exactly why Ayn Randian small state TRUST THE MARKET bollocks doesn't work; property developers will make millions building and selling housing without doing shit for the long-term effects of said housing.

My mate and work colleague bought some new build house with her boyfriend about 2 miles from where we work. It generally takes her about HALF AN HOUR to drive in, because of the gridlock. Otherwise she can walk down a shit badly maintained pavement in roughly the same amount of time while inhaling the exhaust fumes of hundreds of cars. Hideous.

[Giggles]

They really do and it's fucking sick.

I can log onto my work computer, which is supposed to go through some random server in Tennessee, but if I go to google maps it'll show my actual location per my phone.

I don't recall saying "Ya google mate that's fine track my life please".
Whole thing is fucked.

Turn off the setting you mong.

[Spikey M]

Lol what a merking for the tozzers. Labour though :lol:

[Shindig]

Lib Dems should ... really try to capitalise on this.

[Spikey M]

Is this down to them being THE ANTI BREXIT PARTY or just standard protest vote stuff? Probably both, but I wonder how many votes the Anti-Brexit stuff bought them.

[Baz]

Green Party won in my “ward,” which is a turnup for the books. Usually every ward in St. Helens bar two is landslide labour and then one Lib Dem, one Tory (the two nicest parts, ironically.)

The comments section of the local papers website is a joy to behold in terms of entertainment value, where every article ends up with people slagging off the council[lors] and the labour representatives. I always thought it was the minority, as in the only people who actually wouldn’t vote labour anymore are those who bother to comment, but it seems it’s the majority now.

Honestly can’t see anything changing in the slightest though.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Tories seem to be doing better in grim places like Cleethorpes and Walsall. By that logic there should be a glorious Ind Gain in my manor this afternoon.

[Lewis]

The Conservatives gained where I live, but I think that's because all the cashed-up old people turned out. Everywhere else in Portsmouth got properly pathetic turn-outs.

[Lewis]

The spoilt ballot numbers are impressive. Eight-hundred in Basildon alone lol at politics.

[Spikey M]

Brexit means Brexit mate.

[Lewis]

Nice to finally see some FACTS in the debate.

[Kikó]

WHY HAVEN'T WE LEFT YET. mate.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The Tories got ravaged by indies and Lib Dems around here, with better funding/infrastructure for the others they would have lost everywhere. Labour seem to be doing the same in shitholes, and are becoming the middle class party of choice (for reasons I do not understand).

[Shindig]

North East remained firmly red. That's hold will never break.

[Spikey M]

If the Torries can lose Basildon anything is possible.

[Spikey M]

How was prison Bob?

[Boydy]

Can't wait to shoot some fascists.

[Pepe]

Formal list of people who are quite excellent:

Tim Pool
Carl Benjamin
Jordan Peterson
Candace Owens
Donald Trump
Paul Joseph Watson
Sam Harris
Joe Rogan
Thomas Sowell
Larry Elder
Gérard Batten
Nigel Farage

Official.

Forgot Contrapoints.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Tommy Robinson removed after getting a face full of milkshake.

[Baz]

Ohhhhh that’s what all Spikey’s Bob posts are about.

[Spikey M]

It's not, I'm just having a mental breakdown.

[Pepe]

Bob. :cool:

[phonics]

Must say I enjoyed Ben Shapiro calling Andrew Neil a radical leftist and storming off. A true intellectual titan.

[Disco]

You could see Brillo smirking as he said it, great stuff.

[Lewis]

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:gs:

[Spikey M]

I bet Dela has a mohawk and a chest full of jizz as we speak

[Shindig]

As soon as I heard Farage's lot were advocating a deal, I realised Brexit was completely, 100% dead.

[Lewis]

Fortunately the politics wankers are ready for him this ti... Oh wait, they're calling him a Nazi and saying the BBC shouldn't have him on. As you were.

[Lewis]

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lmao

[Jimmy Floyd]

If the Brexit party ran a full slate of candidates and the vote went even remotely towards that, then I could see Jerry C having a Blair style landslide but on 30% of the vote. FPTP :cool:

There still isn't a Progressive Majority, either.

[Shindig]

Sooner or later we'll need a cross party apology on how nobody in any part of UK politics can deliver any form of Brexit. Like, every major and minor party on the spectrum.

[Spikey M]

Anyone (acting as PM) could deliver it. Just don't ask for an extension and you leave automatically.

[Shindig]

Okay, nobody wants to deliver it without caveats.

[Spikey M]

They don't want it full stop. I think it was about 30% of MP's that voted leave. They'd reject the deal of the century.

[phonics]

Ah yes, Politicians, famous for letting the things they've said and the decisions they've made in the past define their ongoing decision making, would 'reject the deal of the century'.

An overwhelming minority of them voted for one that literally all sides said was dogshit.