UK General Election 2017 - 8 June

[Disco]

Perhaps he just likes clogs.

[Boydy]

What does #FBPE stand for?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Follow back pro EU.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Is that with the usual EU style heart too?

[Lewis]

'European Citizen with British passport.'

[Jimmy Floyd]

Didn't see them doing this before we voted out. It was all 'stop banging on about Europe' then.

[Lewis]

Dom Was Right.

[Jimmy Floyd]

lol at Damian Green. Sacked not for having the porn, but for lying three times about the fact that he knew the porn was there. 2-0 to the boys in blue.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

https://s13.postimg.org/lioj9x7w7/image.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[John]

I still can't fathom why it even mattered that he had some porn in the first place. Pick up any device used for more than a week by anyone over the age of about ten and there will be porn on it somewhere. Unless he's watching child porn or some farmyard scat Magic sent him it's a complete non issue and he shouldn't have had to answer questions about it, never mind been binned for his answers.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It mattered in the context of him already being investigated for touching up a woman under the dinner table. If someone is accused of that, then the same person having a load of rape porn on a work computer is probably going to be relevant (unless we're going into complete moral relativism territory).

[Boydy]

It's his fucking work computer, of course it matters if there's porn on it.

[Giggles]

Exactly. I know I'd be shown the door if I had gowl on my work laptop.

[phonics]

He also didn't get done for the porn itself. He got done for lying about it 3 separate times.

[Lewis]

Start putting money aside for your #bluepassport lads. I only renewed mine two months ago, but so wot I only voted to leave for one of these.

[Spikey M]

My passport has a blue passport case. :cool:

[Giggles]

Are they really pushing that as the victory to cover everything else? A fucking blue cover on a passport? :D

The funniest/worst/scariest part that the Sun worshipping average man on the street will absolutely lap it up.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If I were the EU, I'd do the obvious trolling act of changing all their passports to blue as well.

[Giggles]

Turns out it's all bullshit now anyway and the change from blue was voluntary. Though that won't matter.

[Boydy]

If I were the EU, I'd do the obvious trolling act of changing all their passports to blue as well.

:D

That would be fucking hilarious.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'd love to believe that the Remain lot really don't care what colour the passports are, but the fact that they're still moaning about them being blue suggests that they probably do.

They're also believing this fake £500 million number which is EXACTLY the same fault they accuse Leave people of in believing the £350 million NHS number.

[Giggles]

In fairness, it's not the remain lot making a show of themselves about passports. If we wanted a green one we could have one whenever we liked. The burgundy one is only a guideline and some EU countries don't use it.

But still, BLUE PASSPORTS, FORRINS OUT, INGURLUND, OI OI OI, etc etc.

[Shindig]

Is there any scenario where we can bar U2 from touring? The brexit waffle's been annoying. We're leaving. We're not going to get what we want and we'll be looking for any scraps we can take. All I care about passports is whether I can use my old one until it runs out or if they all become void as soon as March hits.

[Lewis]

I'd love to believe that the Remain lot really don't care what colour the passports are, but the fact that they're still moaning about them being blue suggests that they probably do.

They're also believing this fake £500 million number which is EXACTLY the same fault they accuse Leave people of in believing the £350 million NHS number.

God knows what they're going to be like when we bring back the cane and start herding foreigners over the White Cliffs.

[Magic]

Isn't it a cumulitive thing? So it's not literally £500 million to change the colour, but that's the total we've lost or will lose since we voted for BREXIT and the blue passport is the only VICTORY.

[Lewis]

That and not being in the European Union anymore.

[Giggles]

I think he meant actual victory rather than a symbolic chest-beating one.

[Lewis]

Absolutely blinding dummy spit (https://order-order.com/2017/12/29/adonis-shouty-crackers-resignation-letter-in-full/) from Andrew 'Lord Adonis' Adonis. :harold:

[randomlegend]

I've met him.

[Jimmy Floyd]

This Toby Young twitter lynch mob is probably the most egregious example of the genre yet (and also illustrates how the extreme left has seized control of almost all public bodies).

[Lewis]

He seems to have seen off people actually doubting his credentials (donned that actual idiot Paul Mason good and proper), so hopefully nobody BOTTLES IT.

[phonics]

Toby Young is a horrible person and deserves everything he gets.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They're seething about that, so have properly closed ranks on OMG HE SAID SOMEONE HAD BIG TITS EIGHT YEARS AGO.

The worst thing I've done on twitter is call Andy Murray a traitor, so I should be safe when my time comes.

[Lewis]

Toby Young is a complete tit (fair play on the schools), but you would think he had supported the IRA the way people are going on.

[phonics]

They're seething about that, so have properly closed ranks on OMG HE SAID SOMEONE HAD BIG TITS EIGHT YEARS AGO.

The worst thing I've done on twitter is call Andy Murray a traitor, so I should be safe when my time comes.

I've routinely said Tony Blair should be in the Hague so I'm set for a knighthood when Corbs gets in.

[phonics]

Toby Young is a complete tit (fair play on the schools), but you would think he had supported the IRA the way people are going on.

Seems to me a lot more like people have had to deal with the absolute whopper for years and have found the ideal path of attack to hopefully get him to fuck off.

He's Toby Young though so like all these upper-class wankers, the only way he can fall is up.

[Jimmy Floyd]

His dad wrote the Attlee manifesto, and invented the word 'meritocracy' (a crap word, but still).

[phonics]

His dad wrote the Attlee manifesto, and invented the word 'meritocracy' (a crap word, but still).

Which is how he got into Oxford (or Cambridge, whatever wankersville) on a B and a C then has spent the years since telling black kids they just don't try hard enough to get in.

[Lewis]

Just a guess this - possibly quite a wild one - but you haven't actually read what you're referring to there, have you?

[phonics]

My non-autist memory doesn't allow me to remember Toby Youngs grades but I've read it. He tries to frame it as an administrative error because he got two letters etc.

Bollocks.

[Lewis]

I meant 'telling black kids they just don't try hard enough to get in', which I took to be referring to what turbomong David Lammy was moaning about.

[Magic]

Just a guess this - possibly quite a wild one - but you haven't actually read what you're referring to there, have you?

:harold:

[Magic]

My non-autist memory doesn't allow me to remember Toby Youngs grades but I've read it. He tries to frame it as an administrative error because he got two letters etc.

Bollocks.

:harold:

Nice quick synopsis there from Wiki. Turbomong Joe.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I meant 'telling black kids they just don't try hard enough to get in', which I took to be referring to what turbomong David Lammy was moaning about.

I think you mean Father of the Nation.

[phonics]

If you're going to rip off other posters insults, try not to use one from a post directly above yours.

[Magic]

If you're going to rip off other posters insults, try not to use one from a post directly above yours.

That's why I used it. Deary me, do keep up.

[phonics]

Why's my real name snuck back into your stuff as well. It's really odd. Are you back on the day drinking?

[Lewis]

I think you mean Father of the Nation.

The Black Chuka Umunna.

[Boydy]

Just a guess this - possibly quite a wild one - but you haven't actually read what you're referring to there, have you?
Honestly thought this post was referring to this:

His dad wrote the Attlee manifesto, and invented the word 'meritocracy' (a crap word, but still).

[phonics]

He's referring to the article I referred to because the overall message of the piece was supposed to be 'Black kids don't get into Oxford because they don't apply' which is bollocks.

[Magic]

Why's my real name snuck back into your stuff as well. It's really odd. Are you back on the day drinking?

Lol at this when you repeatedly post your boring Twitter account which is literally your full name.

[phonics]

Wouldn't come up in a Google search because the username appears through a javascript. Thanks.

[Magic]

And it wouldn't come up in a Google search because this is a tiny basically closed forum about a game nobody plays.

[Boydy]

He's referring to the article I referred to because the overall message of the piece was supposed to be 'Black kids don't get into Oxford because they don't apply' which is bollocks.

I know.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Reshuffle about to happen. Seems I may have to wait longer for the dream of Gove suicide bombing the NHS though.

[phonics]

You honestly have no idea how good you've got it with the NHS. 8 hour wait for 3 stitches in a country that regularly tops the 'best private healthcare' lists sucking at minimum 500 quid out of your paycheck every month for the lowest form of coverage.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The amount of money needed to fund it properly is not something that's available to us though. I'd advocate selling Wales to pay for it, but apparently that's not an option.

[phonics]

It'll never be funded properly because they spend every year giving it just enough to survive this year instead of giving it a wad of cash to invest in preventing those issues. How much of your monthly wedge goes to the NHS currently?

[Jimmy Floyd]

That's because they don't have a wad of cash (nor do they have one for schools, police, defence, roads, etc etc etc).

[Lewis]

British Leyland suffered from similar government neglect.

[phonics]

That's because they don't have a wad of cash (nor do they have one for schools, police, defence, roads, etc etc etc).

I can think of some ways of making some cash. Even have some left over for a gulag or two.

If you think the NHS has too many middle managers nicking all your money, wait till VirginHealth moves in with more salary going to marketing and lawyers than healthcare.

[phonics]

British Leyland suffered from similar government neglect.

What were the statistics this year, 30% of the trains ran on time? 1 in 6 of those being an outright cancellation? They all stink of piss and are late/cancelled just as they were previously.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I can think of some ways of making some cash. Even have some left over for a gulag or two.

If you think the NHS has too many middle managers nicking all your money, wait till VirginHealth moves in with more salary going to marketing and lawyers than healthcare.

I know all about private healthcare, used to do customer satisfaction surveys for BUPA in a previous job. NHS is a better model but only if you can actually provide it, rather than pretending to do so.

There's also no way of raising the money - wealth taxes and things may feel virtuous, but raise fuck all. The only way to sustainably fund it is to both do that, and also aggressively tax lower and middle incomes - you just won't raise enough otherwise.

[phonics]

Or force companies to pay better wages lifting huge swathes of non-tax payers into the bottom bracket by raising them above the deduction limit. etc. etc.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Companies will fire everyone if you force them to do anything. You've met accountants and CEOs, right? They're all wankers.

[phonics]

Sounds like a certain section of the population needs to be put into the labour force.

[phonics]

I have to Google Image 98% of MPs so this reshuffle is confusing.

Did Karl Pilkington get a hair transplant?

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[Henry]

The Tory scum are deliberately driving the NHS into the ground, let's no have any mistake about that. And there is plenty of money around.

[Magic]

I know all about private healthcare, used to do customer satisfaction surveys for BUPA in a previous job. NHS is a better model but only if you can actually provide it, rather than pretending to do so.

There's also no way of raising the money - wealth taxes and things may feel virtuous, but raise fuck all. The only way to sustainably fund it is to both do that, and also aggressively tax lower and middle incomes - you just won't raise enough otherwise.

Don't low and middle incomes contribute hardly anything via tax though?

[phonics]

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Whoops

[Henry]

Don't low and middle incomes contribute hardly anything via tax though?

They contribute quite a lot.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I have to Google Image 98% of MPs so this reshuffle is confusing.

Did Karl Pilkington get a hair transplant?

https://i.imgur.com/JuofaEs.png

I can't remember his name, but I'm almost certain he lost his seat at the last election.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Don't low and middle incomes contribute hardly anything via tax though?

No, politicians just pretend so because raising taxes on them is the easiest method in the book to lose an election.

[Magic]

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I can't remember his name, but I'm almost certain he lost his seat at the last election.

Correct.

[phonics]

Should have shaved the hair off and pretended to be Pilkington.

[Magic]

Cool, it wasn't funny the first time so...

[Lewis]

What were the statistics this year, 30% of the trains ran on time? 1 in 6 of those being an outright cancellation? They all stink of piss and are late/cancelled just as they were previously.

Any sympathy I have with people moaning about trains (which is not a lot, since they moan about the wrong things) vanishes as soon as I see the token whopper on the news moaning about the cost of his season ticket from Brighton to London.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I never understand the arguments for nationalising the railways. A shit monopoly is a shit monopoly whether it's private or public.

[phonics]

I never understand the arguments for nationalising the railways. A shit monopoly is a shit monopoly whether it's private or public.

Well the public is already subsidizing the shit private monopoly so why not take the 3.5 billion the shit private monopoly made in profit last year and put it in the public purse instead of Richard fucking Bransons.

Same with the internet, tax payers pay through the arse to pay Virgin to lay fiber that they do incredibly slowly and then provide you a shit service to boot.

What I'm saying is Richard Branson, put a pair of fucking shoes on you hippy and get in the gulag, you tax skimming beardy prick.

[Boydy]

Branson in a gulag. :drool:

Also that fella with the tiny neck and stupidly over-large head is Gavin Barwell. Pretty sure he'd written some book about how to win a marginal seat then lost his seat at the last election. :D

[randomlegend]

There's also no way of raising the money - wealth taxes and things may feel virtuous, but raise fuck all. The only way to sustainably fund it is to both do that, and also aggressively tax lower and middle incomes - you just won't raise enough otherwise.

There are lots of ways you could reduce cost in the NHS if there was a willingness to invest in the long-term rather than whatever is cheapest today, but there isn't.

Things like preventative measures to stop old people falling over, breaking their hips and lying on the floor for two days so they can come and have a long and very expensive hospital stay where they get pneumonia. Or better funding for gastric bypass surgery - expensive up front, saves huge amounts of money in obesity-related complications long-term. Or making working conditions liveable so everyone doesn't leave to Australia and you have to spend a billion quid an hour on locums.

Etc.

On two moderately related notes, lol at Jeremy Hunt getting promoted and This is Going to Hurt by Adam Kay is a great read.

[randomlegend]

Also, all the stuff Lee used to spout about first and second year doctors not being in positions where they have to make life or death decisions is utter bollocks. It happens in every hospital every single day - mostly on night shifts, where there is less senior help around. It's all well and good saying "you'll never be on the ward without a registrar", but when the registrar is tied up with one dying person and another one decides to have a go you're on your own.

[Lewis]

The Australians spend pretty much the same as us on health, so why would you move there when their system must also be a catastrophe?

[randomlegend]

They must be spending it better than we are.

[phonics]

No, they're just more localised. You're spending the majority of your healthcare on 3 cities across a population of 25 million. Not 70 million people across the whole lot. If Australia is spending a similar amount as us they're spending at minimum 20% more per person.

[Lewis]

It is obviously per person, otherwise it would be a pretty pointless comparison.

[randomlegend]

He's not saying any different, just that the vast majority of their population are in a few concentrated spaces so you don't have to spread the money across such a large area.

Providing for 25 million people mostly in three large cities is much cheaper (per person) than 70 million across the whole of the UK.

Makes sense to me.

[phonics]

A mix of both if we're fair. Which is why I went from 33% to 20.

[Lewis]

They aren't really 'concentrated spaces'. Their residential areas are huge and - compared to our population centres - barely populated.

[McAvennie]

Also, all the stuff Lee used to spout about first and second year doctors not being in positions where they have to make life or death decisions is utter bollocks. It happens in every hospital every single day - mostly on night shifts, where there is less senior help around. It's all well and good saying "you'll never be on the ward without a registrar", but when the registrar is tied up with one dying person and another one decides to have a go you're on your own.

Right, so the registrar is incapable of managing more than one patient at a time? Or getting a history from a junior and giving management advice? Nonsense.

[McAvennie]

There are lots of ways you could reduce cost in the NHS if there was a willingness to invest in the long-term rather than whatever is cheapest today, but there isn't.

Things like preventative measures to stop old people falling over, breaking their hips and lying on the floor for two days so they can come and have a long and very expensive hospital stay where they get pneumonia. Or better funding for gastric bypass surgery - expensive up front, saves huge amounts of money in obesity-related complications long-term. Or making working conditions liveable so everyone doesn't leave to Australia and you have to spend a billion quid an hour on locums.

And it's easy to say this stuff but the reality is much more muddled - research into cost effectiveness of bariatric surgery shows very mixed outcomes depending on your cost benefit rationale, and is even more muddled when you try to extrapolate the benefits beyond the current surgery inclusion criteria in the uk. It looks very cost effective for young male diabetics with bmi over 35, but as soon as your inclusion criteria adds older patients or those without diabetes then it all gets a bit messy.

You are of course right that the NHS tends to think short term, but the beneficial long term health economic strategies aren't always as easy to identify and implement as you'd think.

[Yevrah]

One thing that staggered me was that each trust is decentralised when it comes to buying. Is that really the case and if so, what's the rationale?

[McAvennie]

One thing that staggered me was that each trust is decentralised when it comes to buying. Is that really the case and if so, what's the rationale?

They are to a degree - there's still some central NHS supply, and large pools of collective purchasing for expensive devices like pacemakers and defibrillators if Trusts want to join them.

The rationale was that each Trust is a seperate business entity and that they should have commercial freedom to buy what and where they like.

This has of course resulted in lost opportunities for massive scale NHS wide purchasing, and also resulted in huge expansions in each Trusts purchasing departments.

Not that the system was perfect before decentralisation - there was very little freedom to operate outside of the nationally set frameworks and the needs of local populations and services weren't always met.

I saw a patient yesterday who had a chest pain, went to his GP and had an ECG, the tabs were left on, he got in an ambulance, new ECG was applied as they use different tabs, then he got to a local hospital who applied a third different set of tabs, before moving him to the local cardiac centre who put on a 4th different set. A simple example of the lack of joined up approach and inefficiency that RL was talking about, and a fixable one, but right now none of these organisations plan together

[randomlegend]

Right, so the registrar is incapable of managing more than one patient at a time? Or getting a history from a junior and giving management advice? Nonsense.

It's not nonsense. Every junior I've come across has been in a situation at one time or another where they've ended up managing something way beyond their level of expertise without support, especially in the smaller district hospitals.

You - like Lee - appear to be or have been an NHS manager who is very aware of how it's all meant to work but is either ignorant or wilfully blind to the things which actually go on.

If a registrar is dealing with a patient who is exsanguinating from their eosopogeal varices which have exploded, they sure as shit don't have a minute to spare to help you with someone else who's trying to die.

It happens all the time.

[McAvennie]

It's not nonsense. Every junior I've come across has been in a situation at one time or another where they've ended up managing something way beyond their level of expertise without support, especially in the smaller district hospitals.

You - like Lee - appear to be or have been an NHS manager who is very aware of how it's all meant to work but is either ignorant or wilfully blind to the things which actually go on.

If a registrar is dealing with a patient who is exsanguinating from their eosopogeal varices which have exploded, they sure as shit don't have a minute to spare to help you with someone else who's trying to die.

It happens all the time.

I have the joy to be both clinical and a manager in the NHS, working on the coal face with junior doctors every day of the week in A and E, coronary care and acute admissions wards, so I'm neither ignorant or blind to how it actually works or how it's supposed to work, I just think you are being dramatic

It's tough in the NHS at the mo, and it's going to get worse, but I certainly don't think a junior doctors lot is any worse today than it was 10 years ago, and it's certainly better than it was in the 90s.

Having said all that junior doctors do have a very tough job, and I understand that the responsibility is daunting

[phonics]

Has Lee been pretending to have been gone for two years?

Not sure 'it's better than it was nearly 30 years ago' is a convincing argument mind.

[Henry]

I had my appendix removed by someone who was a junior doctor at the time and who was previously in my class at school. He'd been a little shit back then. Wasn't sure I wanted him messing with my insides.

[randomlegend]

I have the joy to be both clinical and a manager in the NHS, working on the coal face with junior doctors every day of the week in A and E, coronary care and acute admissions wards, so I'm neither ignorant or blind to how it actually works or how it's supposed to work, I just think you are being dramatic

It's tough in the NHS at the mo, and it's going to get worse, but I certainly don't think a junior doctors lot is any worse today than it was 10 years ago, and it's certainly better than it was in the 90s.

Having said all that junior doctors do have a very tough job, and I understand that the responsibility is daunting

I absolutely don't think it's worse than it was 30 years ago and I never said it was.

I'm just going by what I hear and see from the juniors on the wards and from friends who have qualified before me and work as F1s and 2s. Maybe they are all making it up.

I'm not suggesting every F2 spends all day making life and death decisions, but they all have a story of a time they've been stuck managing something way out of their depth with nobody to help.

The settings you have said you work in also have much better senior support than most places in the hospital.

I have no reason to ham it up, it's not a situation I ever want to find myself in but I find the hard to believe it doesn't happen (quite a lot) based on my experience.

[Henry]

Virgin Trains have stopped carrying the Daily Mail because it's racist and homophobic and all of the rest.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Do they have the same policy with passengers?

[Magic]

I had my appendix removed by someone who was a junior doctor at the time and who was previously in my class at school. He'd been a little shit back then. Wasn't sure I wanted him messing with my insides.

Did he remove your temporal lobe as well?

[Kikó]

Do they have the same policy with passengers?

No blacks and gays are still allowed.

[Henry]

Tom Farron, former leader of the LIBERAL Democrats has clarified that oh yeah, gay sex is a sin, that he regrets saying otherwise, and that people in his party didn't understand the issue. Clown.

[phonics]

A chinese proverb for you. If the ex-leader of the Lib Dems tells a radio station that he thinks gay sex is a sin, is anyone actually listening?

Meanwhile:
https://i.imgur.com/aMQlrQM.png
https://i.imgur.com/FhTQ7hL.png

#LoveMyMayor

[Magic]

He only needs to cut it on Asians, it's unfair on them.

[Lewis]

Wasn't binning stop and search originally a Conservative wheeze to get certain 'communities' on side? I suppose it works insofar as you end up with less of them to vote against you, but it seems like a rather necessary evil (mild inconvenience) as long as stabbings are commonplace.

[niko_cee]

2 and a bit years in between those headlines. Now, it's a fairly dramatic 'policy' shift, and far be it from me to defend The Sadiq Leader, but things can change (I have no idea if they have). Stop and search is an absolute bullshit 'power' the police routinely abuse though.

[Jimmy Floyd]

More stop and search = good, so I'm with the terrorist lover on this one.

[phonics]

UKIP leader forced to dump his young fit girlfriend for being a big ol' racist.

Politics is such a harsh life.

[Magic]

Chris Grayling. :harold:

Fucking hate this shit government.

[Lewis]

Why is having a racist girlfriend a big deal? It's not like he was with her for policy advice.

[phonics]

Why is having a racist girlfriend a big deal? It's not like he was with her for policy advice.

Don't know but the UKIP Spokesman for Sport has resigned in disgust over it so you know it's BIG NEWS.

[Lewis]

He should have said something along the lines of 'We don't have much time to talk about politics' and WAAAAAAAYed his way out of it. Or UKIP could just give up. Either one really.

[phonics]

Another day, another stupid campaign. Apparently we need Brexit stamps now...

[phonics]

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Tough job isn't it?

The mans Twitter header :D

https://i.imgur.com/4NMxskV.png

[randomlegend]

That Thatcher sex-doll in the car :D

[Raoul Duke]

GS has the same

[Shindig]

Why is having a racist girlfriend a big deal? It's not like he was with her for policy advice.

UKIP don't want anyone near them who might possibly entertain the though of racism. Personally, they've won their one fight. They might as well go full racist.

[niko_cee]

There's nothing about that whole UKIP bloke story that makes any sense.

Archetypal boorish looking 54 year old ex-police/TA dweeb defects from the fucking Liberal Democrats to take over a political party with almost diametrically opposed views and somehow snaffles a 25 year old model girlfriend on the way. Between her, and that Britain First one Boydy has a thing for, there appears to be some mileage in racism as an aphrodisiac.

[Byron]

Don't say that, you'll bring Mert and Harold back from the dead.

[phonics]

Tough job isn't it?

The mans Twitter header :D



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lol

[Lewis]

https://s10.postimg.org/4pi34jozd/DTxv1_Sl_Xk_AIx61_T.jpg

:lol:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Juncker :D

I really hope that winds up twitter.

[Lewis]

Top story this (https://www.ft.com/content/abc14c66-fb78-11e7-a492-2c9be7f3120a):


Britain’s statistical agency has made mistakes in its measurement of the telecoms sector, failing to spot huge cost-efficiencies of up to 90 per cent over a five-year period, it admitted this week. The error, which covers the period from 2010-2015, means that inflation statistics may have been significantly too high and economic growth figures too low, calling into question the consumer price index and retail price index, which help determine pay and pension increases.

In short, years worth of economic figures (and with them the NARRATIVE) might be bollocks.

[Jimmy Floyd]

How has that not got beyond the FT?

[Pepe]

Because THE NARRATIVE is more important.

[Pepe]

I wonder how often things like that happen. Measuring growth and gdp and whatnot sounds like a nightmare to me. It is probably all made up bollocks.

[Lewis]

How has that not got beyond the FT?

It sounds like a fantastic First Rule test case if the option to go back and revise years of data is there.

[Henry]

I wonder how often things like that happen. Measuring growth and gdp and whatnot sounds like a nightmare to me. It is probably all made up bollocks.

Most mainstream economics is.

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT2yJAOW0AI_1SF.jpg

Come out of your cave and rescue us again, Dom.

[Lewis]

He actually has a bunker as well. Legend.

[Lewis]

If you Twitter search his name, as I have just done, it turns out a lot of people are still mad at that bus.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If the bus was so crucial, why didn't Remain make their own bus and put a bigger number on it?

[Lewis]

Didn't they just lol at the bus being made in Germany or something? I think that sums them up.

[phonics]

Ah yes, a bridge four times longer than that Sweden/Denmark bridge. That sounds like a good way to spend a few hundred billion.

[Jimmy Floyd]

People are saying it'd be in the middle of a shipping lane. Easy - just build it a mile high.

I'd dig a road tunnel though (not literally, I don't even have a spade).

[phonics]

I'd completely forgotten about the boats. Make it one of those raising bridges like the tower of london. Should only add on a couple of trillion and a completely new form of engineering to do.

I can't zoom in enough to know why it's being suggested. Is there an issue with the Channel Tunnel?

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's because Blairmanuel Macron is over for a visit and we're in the mood for cross-Channel fraternité, apparently.

[Kikó]

We're trying to keep THEM OUT so fuck this bridge RIGHT OFF.

[Kikó]

Or let Carillion build it.

[Henry]

Carillion. Yay for the free market!

[Jimmy Floyd]

Carillion is a great example of the market not being free.

[Henry]

Carillion is a great example of the market not being free.

It's a great example of the Tories being lower than vermin, as Nye Bevan eloquently put it. Stuffing money into the pockets of their mates while the NHS isn't getting the investment it needs.

And the market is never in fact, free.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Especially not when Nye Bevan is around.

[Boydy]

Shoot the Carillion execs.

[phonics]

How are you supposed to pronounce Nye? Fucking Welsh and their stupid names.

While we're eating the rich.

954307438060232709

31k per renter.


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It also warned that the longer they resist the charges and works are delayed “the more it will cost you in other charges such as fire wardens or scaffold costs”.

It's like the upper tiers of society are trying to actively cause an uprising against them.

[Boydy]

You pronounce it how it looks. How many ways can you even think of to pronounce 'Nye'?

[phonics]

You pronounce it how it looks. How many ways can you even think of to pronounce 'Nye'?

Took me a year to find out I wasn't Facebook friends with someone called Sio-Ban. So I make no assumptions.

[SvN]

My wife has a friend called "Saoirse". The pronunciation of that fucker makes no sense at all.

[phonics]

My wife has a friend called "Saoirse". The pronunciation of that fucker makes no sense at all.

Going out on a limb, is that Sarah?

[SvN]

Sir-Shah. It's Irish.

[Byron]

I work with someone called Siobhan and it took me two years to figure out it was pronounced Sher-vaun.

[Lewis]

Henners is about six months away from not even posting words anymore. It will all just be MS Paint memes about Iain Duncan Smith and his breakfast.

[Jimmy Floyd]

How are you supposed to pronounce Nye? Fucking Welsh and their stupid names.

While we're eating the rich.

954307438060232709

31k per renter.



It's like the upper tiers of society are trying to actively cause an uprising against them.

At some point people are going to overthrow management accountants from their position of utter supremacy. Unfortunately the only way of getting things done these days appears to be via a media SCANDAL bandwagon.

Tories need to actually sort their lives out on this or the IRA lovers will get in and you couldn't blame the public for it.

[phonics]

At some point people are going to overthrow management accountants from their position of utter supremacy. Unfortunately the only way of getting things done these days appears to be via a media SCANDAL bandwagon.

Tories need to actually sort their lives out on this or the IRA lovers will get in and you couldn't blame the public for it.

I'm starting to see why GS turned Tory. Only way to escape the Gulag.

[Henry]

It's like the upper tiers of society are trying to actively cause an uprising against them.

It's class warfare, and they're winning.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm starting to see why GS turned Tory. Only way to escape the Gulag.

There are certain circumstances in which I'd vote Labour against these current Tories, although anything involving reds or Blairites in the leadership rules that out.

I like Angela Rayner.

[phonics]

You just like her rack Jimmy '@floydmeister' Floyd.

She looks too much like the thick one off Charlie Brookers screenwipe for me to take her seriously.

[Lewis]

Yvette Cooper was the closest thing the Labour Party had to a competent woman, and she might as well be dead. The ones Jezza has surrounded himself with are uniformly awful.

[Jimmy Floyd]

You just like her rack Jimmy '@floydmeister' Floyd.

She looks too much like the thick one off Charlie Brookers screenwipe for me to take her seriously.

Racks aren't really my thing when it comes to politicians, but I think she's positioned herself well in the party (ooooh matron).

[phonics]

Yvette Cooper was the closest thing the Labour Party had to a competent woman, and she might as well be dead. The ones Jezza has surrounded himself with are uniformly awful.

Yvette Cooper is Ed Miliband in a blouse.

[Magic]

I'd completely forgotten about the boats. Make it one of those raising bridges like the tower of london. Should only add on a couple of trillion and a completely new form of engineering to do.

I can't zoom in enough to know why it's being suggested. Is there an issue with the Channel Tunnel?

You can't chuck yourself off a tunnel.

[phonics]

It's going well for the guy May put in charge of growing the youth vote.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT6THkVWkAEsQe8.jpg

Problem being it sounds like he's mainly just growing the Labour one.

[Yevrah]

At some point people are going to overthrow management accountants from their position of utter supremacy. Unfortunately the only way of getting things done these days appears to be via a media SCANDAL bandwagon.

Tories need to actually sort their lives out on this or the IRA lovers will get in and you couldn't blame the public for it.

Management Accountants? I can assure you they're not the ones making those sort of scandalous (and surely wholly unenforceable) decisions.

[Lewis]

That vasectomies bloke sounds like a pleb, but I bet a large majority of people would agree with the general point about not having kids you can't afford.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Call them what you want. Bean counters. CEOs. Price of everything, value of nothing. The Illuminati. Harvey Yevrah.

[phonics]

That vasectomies bloke sounds like a pleb, but I bet a large majority of people would agree with the general point about not having kids you can't afford.

Yes but I'm not sure forcibly sterilising them would be a large majority of people solution.

The large majority of people agree on Climate Change existing but they have wildly different ways of dealing with it.

[Yevrah]

A technical and boring point if you will, but Management Accountants are so far down that chain of arseholery decision making as to not even be able to influence it.

Sure they might model the cost of the job, but someone paid far more than them will have posed the question "do we really need to pay for this?" presumably surrounded by other yes men wankers on the board, none of which had the moral fibre to say "well, no (if that indeed is the case), but we'll all rot in hell if we get the residents to".

[phonics]

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lollllllll

[Jimmy Floyd]

Did I mean management consultants? I might have done. People who earn 40k+ are all the same to me.

Lawyers! That's the one.

[phonics]

Did I mean management consultants? I might have done. People who earn 40k+ are all the same to me.

Hey now, don't put me in with that lot. #humblebrag

[Lewis]

Yes but I'm not sure forcibly sterilising them would be a large majority of people solution.

The large majority of people agree on Climate Change existing but they have wildly different ways of dealing with it.

Well yeah, but my point is that most people won't be as APPALLED by it as the Twitter idiots, so it seems like a waste of time going for him.

[randomlegend]

My wife has a friend called "Saoirse". The pronunciation of that fucker makes no sense at all.

I was at Uni with someone called Aoibhinn, which is pronounced "Ay-veen".

[John]

Niamh being pronounce Neev fucks me up on an annual basis.

[randomlegend]

Aye we had a Niamh as well. All Irish. UEA med seems to get loads of Irish for some reason.

[Lewis]

From what I remember you pronounce 'Andrew' like a pained, deflating noise.

[niko_cee]

How are you supposed to pronounce Nye? Fucking Welsh and their stupid names.

31k per renter.



31k per owner.

And how fucking hard is it to pronounce Nye?

[John]

Aye we had a Niamh as well. All Irish. UEA med seems to get loads of Irish for some reason.

It should be pronounced like a Formula One car going past, so the actual pronunciation is annoying and boring.

[randomlegend]

:D

[Disco]

It should be pronounced like a Formula One car going past, so the actual pronunciation is annoying and boring.

Normally aspirated or turbo hybrid?

[phonics]

I wasn't sure which thread this should go on. But last night, I saw a tweet of people making fun of the kind of people that go to Mar-a-Lago and that all the women look the same total weirdo and then I noticed I recognised someone in the photo.

Is that... Ed Balls?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUF4Z6MWsAU5bXN.jpg

[Disco]

What have they done with the rest of him?

[Raoul Duke]

#EdBalls

[randomlegend]

Some Uni friends met Ed Balls when he was out for lunch the other day (there's a bit more to what he was doing than that but I think it'd be a bit mean to post it) and apparently he was really nice.

This comment sponsored by the colour beige.

[Lewis]

He is a lot more likeable now he isn't threatening to ruin the country, and seemingly everybody who has ever worked with him says he is a legend, so you have to wonder why he went to such lengths to portray himself as a Gordon Brown regen (particularly when he was always too mouthy to really pull it off) instead of going down the chilled out entertainer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K21OmIO7WA#t=5m10s) road.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He probably recognised the Blairites had had their day and was trying to position himself. Poor Ed(s).

[phonics]

I must say, the reaction to this charity gala is weird. This is literally every weekend down Canary Wharf so I'm not sure why the FT went big on this one.

Lots of calls for people to resign but I'm not sure why, of course everyone involved is a mahoosive twat but if we're making people resign for that then I don't think there'll be enough people left to run the government.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I only saw Nadhim Zahawi on the guest list, if we're talking politicians? He's just Alan Mak with money.

Nice to see that Philip Green is still able to enjoy himself though.

[Lewis]

lol at the kids' hospital turning the money down. I can't even be bothered to look, but I bet they have loads of corporate partnerships with dodgy banks and London-based Russian criminals.

[phonics]

I only saw Nadhim Zahawi on the guest list, if we're talking politicians? He's just Alan Mak with money.

Nice to see that Philip Green is still able to enjoy himself though.

They're trying to hound out advertising agency execs like that event is even close to 1/50th of the worst thing they've done in a public setting.

[Raoul Duke]

if we're making people resign for that then I don't think there'll be enough people left to run the government.

Not sure I see a downside to this?

[niko_cee]

The President's Club scandal is very much a scandal of our times.

Bunch of drunken wankers with too much money get herded into a room and 'served' by attractive young 'hostesses' who are being paid £200-odd for a night's work. Loads of charities get money. Loads of young women earn more in a few hours than a standard waitress probably would in days. Outrage ensues and neither the charities nor the (young) women are permitted to benefit in such a way again. Take that bum-pinchers! Now, I don't doubt that room was packed full of absolutely first rate arseholes, and no sane individual would condone (or, at the same time, be overly surprised) by such behaviour, and maybe not being able to take a job where you are at risk of being harrassed is good, but isn't there a very large part of this that is about going into it with your eyes open? The real scandal is probably that the agency providing the victims got paid £1000 a head and only passed on 20% (I made this up).

There's also the fact that you put 1000 twats in a room and are then surprised they behave like twats?

[Jimmy Floyd]

The charity giving back the money aspect is the oddest part. Will a child now die because the hospital PR doesn't like the idea of old men leering at young women?

[Disco]

I think it's the presumption that the waitresses were part of the menu that I find a little disgusting.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's a bit of a cultural crisis for men (not one I personally mind as I'm not a pervert), from now on they simply aren't going to be able to talk about women in the way they always have done.

[Shindig]

I like the idea David Walliams protected any potential future gigs with these people by saying he didn't see any groping.

[Disco]

It's a bit of a cultural crisis for men (not one I personally mind as I'm not a pervert), from now on they simply aren't going to be able to talk about women in the way they always have done.

Is it a generational thing? The idea that you see a woman in any context and think 'hey ho, she's clearly here for my personal gratification' and bung a hand up her skirt is completely alien to me.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think it is a generational shift, 40 years ago men still had almost all the power in society. Now they have a lot less (but still more than women).

I still know people who are completely unable to control themselves or act normally when they see a woman, in fact I'm sure there are a couple on this board.

[niko_cee]

Is it a generational thing? The idea that you see a woman in any context and think 'hey ho, she's clearly here for my personal gratification' and bung a hand up her skirt is completely alien to me.

I think it's part generational, but also partly a product of being in a mono-sex environment (for want of a better term). When you put groups of people into single sex groups their behaviour always seems to tend towards extremes (particularly when booze is thrown into the mix), be that at the men only presidents club dinner, or many of the largely (or at least historically) men only workplaces (save for the secretarial 'totty') these chumps come from.

[Lewis]

My Navy friend was telling me about the Saudi Arabian cadets they have had over who, as well as having to be repeatedly told how to use the toilets, keep getting into trouble for following women around off the base and taking pictures of them in shops.

[phonics]

I've just seen a picture of Gove without glasses and I can barely recognise him

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Michael_Gove_Minister.jpg/170px-Michael_Gove_Minister.jpg

[Raoul Duke]

Still looks like a total cunt?

[phonics]

Less like Pob though.

http://www.theworldthroughwoodeneyes.co.uk/wpimages/Pob03.jpg

[Lewis]

He's the only one doing anything in the government these days. He should be the Chancellor.

[Raoul Duke]

He should be sealed inside an iron ball and fired into the Sun

[Jimmy Floyd]

He's the only one doing anything in the government these days. He should be the Chancellor.

He just goes around donning whatever department he is given. Should be given health.

[Byron]

I'm seconding the 'obliteration by sun' option.

[Lewis]

My mate Duncan Sandys used to be deployed to difficult briefs because he was an arsehole and loved pissing all the civil servants off. Gove should have that role. Give him eighteen months to sort planning laws out; then have him in the Treasury in time for Brexit; and then give him five years to reform the civil service before peering him off to kick that lot in.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I still have no idea how he got free schools through. I think Cummings might know actual magic.

[Henry]

The fuck is up with "Lord" Bates resigning in shame because he was late? Clown.

[Henry]

Why am I reading about Jacob Rees-Mogg potentially being the next Prime Minister? Fucking hell.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He won't be. I doubt he'll even stand.

[Lewis]

I saw a clip of him admitting he buys things from Greggs, which George Osborne famously doesn't, so he's cleared that hurdle.

[Henry]

He won't be. I doubt he'll even stand.

Who do you think, then?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Who do you think, then?

I think Theresa May will continue because of risk aversion/sheer inertia (she is useless), but in the event they force her out for someone who is going to lead with intellectual substance and a clear idea of what they're doing, they might as well follow that logic through and elect Gove.

Boris would have been alright in 2016 but now, useless.

[phonics]

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lol

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm starting to come round to the idea of a second referendum, you know. It's win/win. If Remain wins this time, I don't have to have hear about Brexit ever again. If Leave wins again, then all the Remain wankers will bugger off and form a death cult around the spot where A.C. Grayling self-immolated, so I don't have to hear from them ever again.

[Dave.]

I'm starting to come round to the idea of a second referendum, you know. It's win/win. If Remain wins this time, I don't have to have hear about Brexit ever again. If Leave wins again, then all the Remain wankers will bugger off and form a death cult around the spot where A.C. Grayling self-immolated, so I don't have to hear from them ever again.

I'm a leave voter and I'm in favour of a second referendum also.

[phonics]

Might get GS back from THE GROUP as well. So two sides to everything.

[Pepe]

Imagine the fitness advantage he'll have over us.

[Kikó]

Bravo Pepe.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Stephen Kinnock is going on a 24 hour hunger strike for electoral reform. It's that sort of courage in the face of adversity which inspires real change.

[phonics]

That clip of his Mum having to tell him how to do politics when all he wants to do is give the big I am to the cameras was the only good part of any political documentary I've seen in a good 5 years.

[Jimmy Floyd]

His wife, who was Prime Minister of Denmark.

[phonics]

Everyone in that family looks so old.

[Boydy]

Stephen Kinnock is going on a 24 hour hunger strike for electoral reform. It's that sort of courage in the face of adversity which inspires real change.

:lol:

[Jimmy Floyd]

24 hour hunger strike. It's not that hard. At 8pm the previous day, enjoy an Indian meal - chicken dupiaza, let's say, with a keema nan, bombay aloo, saag paneer and an onion bhaji, washed down with three pints of Kingfisher. That takes you through to 10pm, and the hunger strike starts. Stay up for ages watching box sets, then sleep in until 2pm and you've only got eight hours to see out before the single transferable vote is yours.

[phonics]

He's basically doing Ramadan for a day. *insert EDL talking point here*

[Disco]

Not quite, isn't Ramadan just dawn to dusk fasting?

[phonics]

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[Spikey M]

Wot?

[Disco]

The guy likes horses I suppose, is it really worthy of much comment?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'd consider supporting PR if it got the requisite 6% share of blazer-wearing cranks into Parliament.

[Spikey M]

The guy likes horses I suppose, is it really worthy of much comment?

Likes horses like a gay donkey does, amirite?

[Disco]

I bow to your experience on the subject.

[Lewis]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-42909466/the-activists-who-are-still-fighting-brexit

It barely has any influence lads why are you so bothered?

[phonics]

I see that the George Soros meme has managed to make it's way over to your fine isle. Pushed by Theresa May's former second-in-command no less. lol.

[phonics]

Meanwhile, and I know it's been coming but it's just ridiculous these days. Robert Peston looks like he's a homeless drunk that's got to go to court.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVhHvFPXcAAlT3P.jpg

[Lewis]

George Soros-related things are usually shite, but he has donated a load of money to the remain tools, so let's just enjoy his defence being made up of people who normally see Rupert Murdoch lurking in every shadow.

[phonics]

I was paid by George Soros to astroturf this place during the referendum. Kiko was given 5k to create 'THE GROUP' to distract GS from the art of posting.

[Lewis]

Keith Vaz having his suspicious wealth looked into; Brendan Cox finally nobbled as a sexcase; fifteen Labour MPs being accused of meeting enemy agents during the Cold War (unfortunately there will be nothing in this); and that dead homeless bloke everyone was bealing over as a damning indictment of our society turning out to be a twice-deported Angolan paedophile. What a weekend. #ConservativeFightback #BrexitMeansBrexit

[Jimmy Floyd]

The Brendan Cox thing is a fascinating case. Everyone falling over themselves to say what a wonderful person he is in spite of his 'past mistakes', because his wife got stabbed. If no stabbed wife, he would just be another perve.

Kevin Spacey must be gutted he hasn't had any family members murdered.

[Lewis]

His dead wife gave him cover until now, but the shite we've heard today is solely down to him being mates/on the 'same side' as the arseholes who would normally be out for his blood. It was the same with Oxfam last week when the official Labour Party statement said the government and the regulator had questions to answer, but never even mentioned their favourite charity by name.

[Magic]

Hasn't it all been hugely exaggerated? It wouldn't have come out had he not nailed his flag to the remain post.

[Lewis]

The thing about setting yourself up as some sort of national moral conscience is that it doesn't take a lot to ruin the act.

[Yevrah]

I didn't comment on the Oxfam case at the time, but the best thing about it was when they said they didn't release more details because they didn't want to ruin the great work they were doing, for charidee.

[Kikó]

The thing about setting yourself up as some sort of national moral conscience is that it doesn't take a lot to ruin the act.

I think that's it. If you're going to put yourself on a pedal stool you better not be a deviant.

Labour are a spineless organisation.

[phonics]

Sounds like this UKIP event was a roaring success as ever.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWT795LWkAAWkEh.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWT8RWiW4AANebM.jpg

[Jimmy Floyd]

Ukip are a Brexiteer's dream at the moment, making Remain bores waste tweets and column inches lolling at them.

[phonics]

Finally found how they're going to get GS/Lewis to vote Labour

https://i.imgur.com/p5favLG.png