UK General Election 2017 - 8 June

[Boydy]

Count it again, Hastings.

[7om]

Holy shit, that is far too close for comfort for an MP that is basically number 2 in government. What a fuck up this is.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Chuka Umunna looking for a return here. Dickhead.

Him and his sort should wind it in.

What has happened in NI anyway, have the SDLP gone for a burton?

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

After 2 recounts, North East Fife has 1 vote in it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

We're coming back in October for another one of these.

[Boydy]

Fuck off Woodcock, you cunt.

[Lewis]

I'm off to bed. Shite, but lol at Scotland.

[Yevrah]

We're coming back in October for another one of these.

Which is ridiculous frankly.

[7om]

Which is ridiculous frankly.

Incorrect.

Buckethead and Elmo in Maidenhead and Fish Finger man in Cumbria ensure that a second election is very much what the country needs.

[GS]

Right lads, I've now caught up.

First thing's first, I was wrong on Corbyn. I still think he's mental, obviously, but if people buy what he's selling then fair play - they clearly had a strategy, knew what they wanted to, and executed it. That said, I think much of the Tory failure here is attributable to an absolute fuck-up in the Tory campaign. The Tories still got 43% of the vote, but there's no way they should have pushed over 40% (forty percent, for fuck sake) into the Labour column. May has been fucking dreadful, and she needs to resign. Ideally before lunch, but I'd take by the end of tomorrow.

[GS]

The one real positive from this is that it's a MEGA night for the Union. The SNP getting hammered, and Robertson and Salmond losing their seats to the Tories, is massive. The DUP have also taken about 40% of the vote in NI.

We'll be back for another election by the end of the year. There's no way the DUP are successfully propping up a fractured Tory party for any length of time. It's some effort from Team May, this. It really is.

[7om]

Right lads, I've now caught up.

First thing's first, I was wrong on Corbyn. I still think he's mental, obviously, but if people buy what he's selling then fair play - they clearly had a strategy, knew what they wanted to, and executed it. That said, I think much of the Tory failure here is attributable to an absolute fuck-up in the Tory campaign. The Tories still got 43% of the vote, but there's no way they should have pushed over 40% (forty percent, for fuck sake) into the Labour column. May has been fucking dreadful, and she needs to resign. Ideally before lunch, but I'd take by the end of tomorrow.

Highlights:

- Alex Salmond and Angus Robertson are gone.
- Nick Clegg gone.
- Anna Soubry meltdown interview on the BBC.
- Jacob Rees-Mogg knifed George Osbourne.
- Lord Buckethead.
- Chuka Umunna slobbering all over Corbyn.
- Fish Finger man.

[Byron]

That map of Scotland is amazing, the SNP pushed out to the rural areas by the looks of it.

[Byron]

Lib Dems have swung the vote by nearly 10,000 votes to take Oxford West and Abingdon.

[Byron]

BBC forecasting 319 seats for the Tories. With Sinn Fein not taking their expected 7 seats it means the STRONG AND STABLE May will be 3 seats short of an effective majority and therefore cannot LEAD IN THE NATIONAL INTEREST.

[GS]

You have to exclude the speaker and deputies, who don't vote. It's basically 650, less seven for the Shinners, and another four for the speakers - so 639. Working majority would be 320. Not that one matters either way here or there - they need the DUP.

They'll never sign up to a formal coalition deal, because they'll want to leverage as much bollocks out of them as possible, so it'll be confidence and supply until they're forced to call another election by the end of the year.

May won't be in charge, though. She's fucking useless. There's no point mucking about here - Gove or Fallon, who can at least argue a point well. But it needs to be all hands on deck.

A national government probably wouldn't be the worst idea in the world, but lol at the BETRAYAL shouts that would go up.

[Henry]

Okay, I'm up.

Campaigns don't matter, I thought. LOL.

I'm hearing that May might resign imminently. Still probably a shaky Tory minority government /coalition at the end of it all.

[Shindig]

They'll be looking to the DUP, given that the Lib Dems don't want that bullet a second time. May's done. Gove more likely to step up given he campaigned for Leave. I wonder what support he has in his own party, though. That's the thing about the impending leadership contest. They all threw their hat in last time and got chewed out. Boris campaigned for Leave but never looked like a believer.

[Henry]

If it's Gove then surely Boris is shitting himself...

[Spikey M]

:harold: well done Terry May.

[John Arne]

Pervert.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRfPrwnLyo0

[Jimmy Floyd]

Zac winning Richmond Park back is a bit of a glitch. Ponce central there.

Ideal for Corbyn really, he gets adulation but still doesn't have to govern or really even offer any sort of effective opposition.

[Kikó]

Corbyn mania. 100 SEAT majority. Mandate.

The brexit negotiations can now continue.

[Giggles]

This really is the new football to all of you isn't it?

I've no idea what's going on, but does anything ever really change no matter who wins?

[Waffdon]

How the fuck did Amber Rudd end up winning?

[Jimmy Floyd]

This really is the new football to all of you isn't it?

I've no idea what's going on, but does anything ever really change no matter who wins?

Not really.

[Shindig]

Checking our results to see how the Young People's Party did. John 'not a paedophile' Cummings's landed 45 votes. 250 less than a postman who also fancied a go. The North-East votes no other way than Labour. I mean, aside from the time Newcastle had a Lib Dem council.

[Jimmy Floyd]

May is having a laugh trying to stay on.

It's probably the moment for Boris.

[Kikó]

Europe lording it up over the election result on radio 4. Strong and stable.

[Mazuuurk]

So, trying to understand this Election a bit. Am I getting this right in that Tories are just short of majority in parliament meaning they need these DUP (I assume the Lib Dems and SNP are not working with Tories then on anything?) to get any votes through?

Meaning they will end up having a lot more influence than their 1.5% suggests (why do you even allow such small parties in Parliament!?).


When you're all saying there will be a new Election later this year, I assume that will be called by the Tories (again) then to try to get Majority, yeah?

Which begs the question: what is the actual cost of having an election? It must be absolutely immense, specially with recent terror threats added into the mix (dunno if that changes anything but it might). I mean, when would the costs of having multiple Elections in a year actually start making a real dent in the Budget?

[Magic]

Right lads, I've now caught up.

First thing's first, I was wrong on Corbyn. I still think he's mental, obviously, but if people buy what he's selling then fair play - they clearly had a strategy, knew what they wanted to, and executed it. That said, I think much of the Tory failure here is attributable to an absolute fuck-up in the Tory campaign. The Tories still got 43% of the vote, but there's no way they should have pushed over 40% (forty percent, for fuck sake) into the Labour column. May has been fucking dreadful, and she needs to resign. Ideally before lunch, but I'd take by the end of tomorrow.

:D

BOTTLED IT you cunt.

[niko_cee]

Jesus, so many pages. Has Big Ruth won a seat? Can she be the next PM?

[ItalAussie]

Lib Dems have swung the vote by nearly 10,000 votes to take Oxford West and Abingdon.

This is the news I was hoping to hear.

[Jimmy Floyd]

So, trying to understand this Election a bit. Am I getting this right in that Tories are just short of majority in parliament meaning they need these DUP (I assume the Lib Dems and SNP are not working with Tories then on anything?) to get any votes through?

Meaning they will end up having a lot more influence than their 1.5% suggests (why do you even allow such small parties in Parliament!?).


When you're all saying there will be a new Election later this year, I assume that will be called by the Tories (again) then to try to get Majority, yeah?

Which begs the question: what is the actual cost of having an election? It must be absolutely immense, specially with recent terror threats added into the mix (dunno if that changes anything but it might). I mean, when would the costs of having multiple Elections in a year actually start making a real dent in the Budget?

We have first past the post, either you win your seat or you don't, so anyone can get in. None of that coffee-drinking European PR nonsense.

Slightly lolling at the twitter glee claiming Corbyn has defied predictions of being unelectable by, er, not being elected.

[John Arne]

Checking our results to see how the Young People's Party did. John 'not a paedophile' Cummings's landed 45 votes. 250 less than a postman who also fancied a go. The North-East votes no other way than Labour. I mean, aside from the time Newcastle had a Lib Dem council.

Is Middlesbrough technically the north east?

[Magic]

I said a few weeks ago Ruth Davidson should be Tory leader. She's a God.

[Byron]

Whichever way you cut it, it's a phyrric victory for May.

[John]

Lord Buckethead's manifesto is every bit as good as his outfit, by the way.

It's all stuff like nationalising Adele and bringing back Ceefax, then suddenly point fourteen is a genuine and sensible piece of policy.


14. Prospective MPs to live in the seat they wish to represent for at least five years before election, to improve local representation in Parliament.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Is it the same Lord Buckethead who ran against Thatcher in 1987?

[Mazuuurk]

We have first past the post, either you win your seat or you don't, so anyone can get in. None of that coffee-drinking European PR nonsense.

Slightly lolling at the twitter glee claiming Corbyn has defied predictions of being unelectable by, er, not being elected.

Of course anyone should be able to get in. But what we do is require your party to have at least 4% of Votes to be eligible to hold a seat in parliament, thus minimizing one-policy (or non-policy) parties that only really ends up holding a bit of a void seat in Parliament anyway.

I suppose it's not quite as Greek.

[Jimmy Floyd]

That's probably the most Swedish thing I've ever heard.

We don't have any list seats (at all) so it's literally just 650 people representing 650 local areas, organised into parties as and how they see fit. If Lord Buckethead won his seat then Lord Buckethead is in.

[John Arne]

Is it the same Lord Buckethead who ran against Thatcher in 1987?

Major, too. When asked the question, he replied "It's complicated" :D

[Magic]

Statement from May at 10am.

Resigning with BoJo as PM?

[phonics]

72% turnout among the 18-25s.

[Magic]

My Facebook is full of SCOTLAND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE and THE CUTS SHOULD ONLY AFFECT THOSE WHO VOTED TORY lollolololpl

[Jimmy Floyd]

Statement from May at 10am.

Resigning with BoJo as PM?

It's not that simple. He'd have to win a leadership election which would take however long.

The Coalition of Chaos isn't going to have the numbers, or particularly close to it, so it looks like we're all back next month.

[Jimmy Floyd]

72% turnout among the 18-25s.

That's doing the rounds but there's no actual source for it. Can see it being true though as the Tory numbers I had beforehand have pretty much been bang on, it's a 10pt Labour surge out of nowhere which basically means them lot.

[phonics]

Oh and while I'm here:

https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/may-lol.gif

[Magic]

What would be the point in another GE? Exactly the same result wouldn't it?

[Jimmy Floyd]

What would be the point in another GE? Exactly the same result wouldn't it?

If the Tories got a new leader for an October GE they'd probably win a majority.

[phonics]

That's what they said about this one.

[Magic]

If the Tories got a new leader for an October GE they'd probably win a majority.

Unless Corbyn utterly rules out IndyRef2 and wins back all those protest Tory votes in Scotland.

[Jimmy Floyd]

My biggest mistake in this thread was not taking heed of the TTH bellwether, Yevrah saying how much he admired Corbyn's campaign.

[John]

Has anyone photoshopped that gif to show her swallowing a rodent? The movement is almost exactly what birds do in place of peristalsis.

I'd assume someone had, but then I also assume that if someone had you would have posted it, so I'm torn.

[Magic]

TTH Bellend.

[Magic]

Has anyone photoshopped that gif to show her swallowing a rodent? The movement is almost exactly what birds do in place of peristalsis.

I'd assume someone had, but then I also assume that if someone had you would have posted it, so I'm town.

There's one of a fish.

[Byron]

May: I have no intention of resigning.

Lololololol.

[phonics]

Just imagined Nick Cohen crying into his tea this morning. :drool:

If there's anything I've learnt about the last 40 minutes. I'm not getting any work done today.

[GS]

I said a few weeks ago Ruth Davidson should be Tory leader. She's a God.

Maintaining the Union is far more important, frankly. She needs to stay where she is, because she's doing a fucking brilliant job. I've given up working out what happens any more, but assuming there's another election by the end of the year does the SNP seat share not decline further as the unionist voters now know which way to go in their constituency to maximise the "fuck you, SNP" vote?


Whichever way you cut it, it's a phyrric victory for May.

It can only be a pyrrhic victory by being an actual victory. Going from a 15+ point lead to three, and losing your majority in an election you didn't need to call, is not a victory. It's an absolute fuck up of unheard of levels. Calling the election was the right thing to do, by the way. Running the worst campaign in living memory with a manifesto that seemed specifically designed to alienate everybody was not. Hubris to think they could stick literally any old shit into it and run away with it.


72% turnout among the 18-25s.

If it's true, then fair play.

[Jimmy Floyd]

May: I have no intention of resigning.

Lololololol.

She'll have to resign. Even if she can form a government, which I imagine she can, the opposition will laugh at her and her own MPs will all hate her.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If it's true, then fair play.

It's not true, it's fake news. Figure won't be known until next week.

[phonics]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB3Sg_1UAAAmeuM.jpg:large

Page lacks Buckethead.

[Lewis]

If this ends up with a shite, watered down Brexit (which in theory it shouldn't, but what use is that?) then I will actually be SEETHING. At the moment I'm just a bit 'You wot mate?'

[Jimmy Floyd]

If this ends up with a shite, watered down Brexit (which in theory it shouldn't, but what use is that?) then I will actually be SEETHING. At the moment I'm just a bit 'You wot mate?'

Ken Clarke PM by Christmas, we'll be using the Euro by next June.

[GS]

It's not true, it's fake news. Figure won't be known until next week.

Standard. There must be massive increase in the youth turnout though, otherwise where the fuck has the vote come from.


If this ends up with a shite, watered down Brexit (which in theory it shouldn't, but what use is that?) then I will actually be SEETHING. At the moment I'm just a bit 'You wot mate?'

She doesn't have a MANDATE for her VISION for Brexit, in my view. This is basically a rejection of her. We've managed to have a Brexit election where Brexit was barely mentioned.

[Gray Fox]

Can confirm the Lord dabbed:

https://i.gyazo.com/d073ca6a6c7baa8b1072df8ac072e2ba.png

[John]

Well that's him ruined.

[phonics]

That's not a dab but it would probably be quite hard to put your head in your elbow crease with a foot and a half long head.

[GS]

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It could come to this. Christ.

[phonics]

Heres that Buckethead interview John mentioned previously btw

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/a-person-called-lord-buckethead-is-standing-against-theresa?utm_term=.gmpzBR8Y4#.wlmRjX21m

[Jimmy Floyd]

Nigel Dodds at the Foreign Office, please.

[phonics]

873086999271358464

It could come to this. Christ.

Politically, I'm not sure the Conservatives should really be running round with an anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-climate change party for a couple of years while their voters die off and younger voters grow.

[Byron]

It can only be a pyrrhic victory by being an actual victory. Going from a 15+ point lead to three, and losing your majority in an election you didn't need to call, is not a victory. It's an absolute fuck up of unheard of levels. Calling the election was the right thing to do, by the way. Running the worst campaign in living memory with a manifesto that seemed specifically designed to alienate everybody was not. Hubris to think they could stick literally any old shit into it and run away with it.


It's pyrrhic in the sense that ultimately, the only realistic government is a Tory minority. There is no chance of a progressive alliance so the Tories have 'won'

But I agree that the campaign was such a monumental car crash that you have to wonder what the fuck May was playing at hiding away and parroting 'STRONG AND STABLE, STRONG AND STABLE, STRONG AND STABLE' while Corbyn is out talking to people and engaging with people, which is by far his strongest area. To think, if Labour had gained an extra 10 seats on the Tories and the SNP held onto 5 more, then you'd be looking at the Tories out of power, it was that close.

Just saw the Tories ended up 2% of the vote ahead of Labour. How the fuck?

[John]

This post has been updated to remove all references to Lord Buckethead being a man. Any person of any gender is capable of sticking a bucket on their head and standing for election under the name Lord Buckethead, despite what the title implies.

Fuck off, Buzzfeed.

[phonics]

IIRC that's a correction from Lord Buckethead themself.

[Lewis]

She doesn't have a MANDATE for her VISION for Brexit, in my view. This is basically a rejection of her. We've managed to have a Brexit election where Brexit was barely mentioned.

Insofar as the Labour manifesto made any sense on the issue, they appeared to want to leave the single market. Throw in all of the Conservatives voting much more explicitly for doing so, and how do you justify botching it? Toby Young (of all fucking people) made the point as well that why would Europe actually want to give us some cushy single market arrangement?

[GS]

It's pyrrhic in the sense that ultimately, the only realistic government is a Tory minority. There is no chance of a progressive alliance so the Tories have 'won'

But I agree that the campaign was such a monumental car crash that you have to wonder what the fuck May was playing at hiding away and parroting 'STRONG AND STABLE, STRONG AND STABLE, STRONG AND STABLE' while Corbyn is out talking to people and engaging with people, which is by far his strongest area. To think, if Labour had gained an extra 10 seats on the Tories and the SNP held onto 5 more, then you'd be looking at the Tories out of power, it was that close.

Just saw the Tories ended up 2% of the vote ahead of Labour. How the fuck?

She's just not very good, and the campaign exposed it. It's all very Hillary Clinton here, isn't it. Up against a chancer, hubris in targeting areas you won't win whilst neglecting your 'safe' areas, being terrible when put under proper scrutiny and thus trying to avoid it.

The Tories are ruthless - she'll be out on her ear as soon as it's convenient.

[phonics]

Toby Young is the worst high-level journalist in the country. Even his mates agree.

http://i.imgur.com/Ox74FaG.png

[niko_cee]

Just saw the Tories ended up 2% of the vote ahead of Labour. How the fuck?

Shares of vote make no sense (or no practical sense). Cons up 6 on last time and lose seats. Virtually all of the swing predictions go against them as well (they should have lost fewer seats in England and won more in Scotland had the swing been uniform). They've never really won an election sufficiently for them to do all the redrawing they want, have they?

The best bit about Buckethead are his cricket pads.

[GS]

Insofar as the Labour manifesto made any sense on the issue, they appeared to want to leave the single market. Throw in all of the Conservatives voting much more explicitly for doing so, and how do you justify botching it? Toby Young (of all fucking people) made the point as well that why would Europe actually want to give us some cushy single market arrangement?

I don't disagree, but Labour barely articulated a view on Brexit throughout the campaign so they're not especially tied down to any particular form of it - they can basically coalesce around an anti-May position, which will presumably focus on issues such as "job killing Brexit" and so forth. Immigration would obviously be a big factor, but these lads who've moved from UKIP to Corbyn's Labour appear not to be especially exercised by that. If they were, May wouldn't have lost them.

[Henry]

Do, does Brexit still mean Brexit? :harold:

[niko_cee]

Presumably.

[Henry]

Also, I agree that this is a pretty good result for Corbyn, arguably better than if he'd won outright.

If that had happened, the Blairites probably wouldn't have played ball with him as PM, at least not for very long. And given that Brexit is going to be a monumental fuckup whatever happens, he'd have taken the blame.

This way, Tory scum get the blame and hopefully will have lost all credibility in a couple of years. Then we get Prime Minister Corbyn. :drool:

[Byron]

Well May asked for the electorate to give her the Brexit MANDATE.

So err......

[Jimmy Floyd]

Also, I agree that this is a pretty good result for Corbyn, arguably better than if he'd won outright.

If that had happened, the Blairites probably wouldn't have played ball with him as PM, at least not for very long. And given that Brexit is going to be a monumental fuckup whatever happens, he'd have taken the blame.

This way, Tory scum get the blame and hopefully will have lost all credibility in a couple of years. Then we get Prime Minister Corbyn. :drool:

There's a serious risk of your sort overestimating Jeremy after this. He remains an absolute moron. If there's a left PM in the offing it won't be him or McDonnell.

He's also 68 so it's going to have to be pretty soon.

[Henry]

Oh, and a good point from Dimbleby this morning that this marks a return to a 2 party system, after decades of drifting away from that. Both major parties got a large increase in their vote.

[phonics]

I saw one poll where the UKIP candidate didn't even vote for himself. Got 0.

[phonics]

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Phillip May hasn't taken the result well.

[GS]

It also has to be remembered that Labour didn't "win" the election either. They did well relative to expectations, but this is after seven years of a Tory government and they've managed to recover their seats to the same level as Gordon Brown won in 2010. The only viable outcome here is Tory minority with DUP confidence and supply or outright coalition between the two. There are no circumstances in which Jez becomes Prime Minister, and I don't think he wins the same number of seats if there's another election before the end of the year (although what the fuck do any of us know at this point).

[GS]

I saw one poll where the UKIP candidate didn't even vote for himself. Got 0.

They probably didn't even live in the constituency, to be fair.

[Jimmy Floyd]

By the way I am amazed ISIS didn't ramraid a polling station. Such an easy target with zero security and would have resulted in an absolute clusterfuck, probably cancelling the election.

They should hire me as their new head of strategy.

[ItalAussie]

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It could come to this. Christ.

Wouldn't it make sense to have the Northern Ireland Secretary come from Northern Ireland?

[GS]

They need to be impartial. You can't have the DUP doing it, the nationalists will go apeshit.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Wouldn't it make sense to have the Northern Ireland Secretary come from Northern Ireland?

It's such a polarised basket case over there you need a neutral for that job.

[phonics]

Just need to wait until May calls another election. Jezza stands up in the House of Commons and says 'I will send Tony Blair to the Hague'

He'd get 80% of the vote.

[Lewis]

By the way I am amazed ISIS didn't ramraid a polling station. Such an easy target with zero security and would have resulted in an absolute clusterfuck, probably cancelling the election.

They should hire me as their new head of strategy.

They must have trusted the YouGov polls.

[Henry]

Wouldn't it make sense to have the Northern Ireland Secretary come from Northern Ireland?

:D

That's the most crazy idea I've ever heard you put forth.

[phonics]

John mentioned Bucketheads manifesto so I thought I'd take a look.

My favourites:

7. Nuclear weapons: A firm public commitment to build the £100bn renewal of the Trident weapons system, followed by an equally firm private commitment not to build it. They’re secret submarines, no one will ever know. It’s a win win.

13. Stop selling arms to Saudi Arabia. Start buying lasers from Lord Buckethead.

[rush]

John mentioned Bucketheads manifesto so I thought I'd take a look.

My favourites:

7. Nuclear weapons: A firm public commitment to build the £100bn renewal of the Trident weapons system, followed by an equally firm private commitment not to build it. They’re secret submarines, no one will ever know. It’s a win win.

13. Stop selling arms to Saudi Arabia. Start buying lasers from Lord Buckethead.

I came here to mention Buckethead dabbin on 'em; seems he's already a cult hero.

Point 7 is brilliant and had me properly lolling.

[John]

I came here to mention Buckethead dabbin on 'em; seems he's already a cult hero.

Point 7 is brilliant and had me properly lolling.

He was a hero immediately. Page thirty nine is dedicated to him.

[Yeldoow]

So how do people expect the next few days to play out?

May must be finished but does she need to stay on to make a deal with the DUP to keep the Conservatives in power? If she does go today what happens then as far as anyone forming a government?

[Henry]

So how do people expect the next few days to play out?

May must be finished but does she need to stay on to make a deal with the DUP to keep the Conservatives in power? If she does go today what happens then as far as anyone forming a government?

She can't "go" as PM until another one is appointed. She can quit as Tory party leader and then she'd be caretaker for a bit.
That's my understanding anyway.

She's also not going to quit, at least not today.

[niko_cee]

Resign (or be biffed), 2 months of leadership contest, another election to follow, if there is anyone capable of leading. Rinse and repeat, forever.

Maybe this is the true face of Orwell's permanent war.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Resign (or be biffed), 2 months of leadership contest, another election to follow, if there is anyone capable of leading. Rinse and repeat, forever.

Maybe this is the true face of Orwell's permanent war.

How can you have a government (and Queen's Speech) in that interim though? She'd have to get something voted through or it's back to the country. Is there some sort of fallback whereby Sir Humphrey can keep things ticking over?

[GS]

She'd get them through in the interim, because the Tories will fall into line for fear another immediate election without a new leader would be worse. The DUP will vote it through having extracted the modern equivalent of the French roasting the Germans over the Versailles reparations.

I can't imagine she stays longer than six months, however. The only viable alternative I see right now is David Davis. Not because he's great, but because as Brexit Secretary he can move reasonably seamlessly into the PM's job and lead the negotiations without it basically representing the country ripping the script up. But her authority is absolutely shot, and it's inconceivable she can keep it going for too much longer.

[Jimmy Floyd]

David Davis is a pillock, as would be discovered under scrutiny. It's Boris (also a pillock, but a teflon one) or bust.

[phonics]

David Davis would get absolutely annihilated in a GE. May comes off as cold and doesn't know what she's doing. Davis comes across as an arsehole who doesn't know what he's doing.

[Lewis]

I'm now inclined to think that, whilst they should still replace her by whenever the next conference is, they should just stagger on with the Orangemen as long as possible. That mob surely won't actually require as much bribing as is traditionally assumed, given the alternative, so just break the back of the Brexit negotiations and then you're on completely different territory if you do require another election.

[Henry]

I can't imagine what the DUP will try to extract. A ban on gays, or dancing maybe.

[GS]

The FTPA is going to be useful here too. How times change.


Well you clearly know nothing.

He can't be PM. The numbers simply don't work.

[GS]

I can't imagine what the DUP will try to extract. A ban on gays, or dancing maybe.

It'll be corporation tax cuts to match ROI and torpedoing any watering down of the union through special status in Brexit etc.

[Jimmy Floyd]

How much would the IRA have to seethe before they took their seats?

[Lewis]

It'll be corporation tax cuts to match ROI and torpedoing any watering down of the union through special status in Brexit etc.

Other than the border, aren't they as HARD BREXIT as anyone? It's all good. Working majority. Don't do anything daft. Just get Brexit through.

[GS]

Never. They won't recognise the parliament, and they'd have to swear an oath of allegiance. They won't even call it Northern Ireland, for fuck sake.

[GS]

Other than the border, aren't they as HARD BREXIT as anyone? It's all good. Working majority. Don't do anything daft. Just get Brexit through.

Yes, they are. They're the most Eurosceptic party in the UK (excluding UKIP). There's a manifesto majority for hard Brexit, based on the Tory/DUP manifestos. The working majority here is, what, thirteen? That's enough if the Tories can hold it together for five years without shitting themselves.

[phonics]

Never. They won't recognise the parliament, and they'd have to swear an oath of allegiance. They won't even call it Northern Ireland, for fuck sake.

Going off your political predictions the last few years I've just put money on the Stone Cold music playing and Gerry Adams walking out wearing a shirt with Jeremy Corbyn dabbing on the front.

edit: I'm not sure Gerry Adams is even the correct reference there but you get the plot.

[Lewis]

Yes, they are. They're the most Eurosceptic party in the UK (excluding UKIP). There's a manifesto majority for hard Brexit, based on the Tory/DUP manifestos. The working majority here is, what, thirteen? That's enough if the Tories can hold it together for five years without shitting themselves.

So let's all calm down. :gs:

[Henry]

Yes, they are. They're the most Eurosceptic party in the UK (excluding UKIP). There's a manifesto majority for hard Brexit, based on the Tory/DUP manifestos. The working majority here is, what, thirteen? That's enough if the Tories can hold it together for five years without shitting themselves.

Weren't they already starting to have problem ensuring party unity before they lost their majority? There's no way they're keeping it together through all of the contentious shit that they have to get through for Brexit.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Sounds like the Orange Order are doing their bit for Queen and country. Puts a tear in your eye. If only the Reverend were around to lead the way.

[GS]

Weren't they already starting to have problem ensuring party unity before they lost their majority? There's no way they're keeping it together through all of the contentious shit that they have to get through for Brexit.

Tories are, if nothing else, pragmatic and like having power. They've stood on a manifesto for hard Brexit and can force it through with the DUP. The alternative will be the government collapsing, and they won't let that happen.

The issue will be attrition in the Tory seats through by-elections etc. which will ultimately shaft them below the working majority by 2022.

[phonics]

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He's so much better at this stuff than he was a year or two ago. An actual defined message helps but there's carrot for every voter and stick for the opposition behind every point he makes.

If they're stupid enough to call another GE, he'll womp it. Although Theresa May was the next Thatcher 2 months ago so meh.

[Lewis]

She still got a million more votes than him, and they can't all be billionaires. He is an actual idiot.

[GS]

Going off your political predictions the last few years I've just put money on the Stone Cold music playing and Gerry Adams walking out wearing a shirt with Jeremy Corbyn dabbing on the front.

edit: I'm not sure Gerry Adams is even the correct reference there but you get the plot.

Well, this is it. I don't have unique insight, I just read a lot of the polling, focus groups, on the ground feedback etc. Some of the former had the Labour SURGE, but there was really very little indication that this was going to happen in terms of the sheer size of the vote percentage and translating into seats.

It's also a huge blow to Crosby plc.

[phonics]

She still got a million more votes than him, and they can't all be billionaires. He is an actual idiot.

"Bernie would have won"

[GS]

She still got a million more votes than him, and they can't all be billionaires. He is an actual idiot.

He remains thick as shit. The Tory tragedy here is that they've managed to convince 40% of people to vote for him, which really takes some doing.

[Jimmy Floyd]

She still got a million more votes than him, and they can't all be billionaires. He is an actual idiot.

The rest of us were duped by the Murdoch press.

Rupe then left us to die on a hillside, battered by the advancing red army. No supplies, no leadership, all hope lost. But wait - is that the wind whistling its final lament, or is that the sound of distant flutes?

[GS]

As expected:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB3pIE-UIAE95PL.jpg

I'm all for this. Just get through the next five years, for fuck sake.

[phonics]

Wait a second, did the Lib Dems end up with the same amount of seats they had before but none of them are the seats they held yesterday?

What?

[GS]

Wait a second, did the Lib Dems end up with the same amount of seats they had before but none of them are the seats they held yesterday?

What?

No, they have 12 but they've lost a handful they held and won them elsewhere.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Wait a second, did the Lib Dems end up with the same amount of seats they had before but none of them are the seats they held yesterday?

What?

They lost 5 of the 9 they had, and gained a few others.

[Lewis]

Paul Nuttall is going out on a wobbler here.

[phonics]

They have no MPs, Brexit is happening. Will they even stand in an election in 5 years? What's Arron Banks going to do with his life? That reminds me, I have a Twitter feed to check.

[Lewis]

The rest of us were duped by the Murdoch press.

Rupe then left us to die on a hillside, battered by the advancing red army. No supplies, no leadership, all hope lost. But wait - is that the wind whistling its final lament, or is that the sound of distant flutes?

What a lovely image. I'm going to listen to sectarian songs all day.

[Henry]

Paul Nuttall is going out on a wobbler here.

Has he quit or what? With retrospect you have to say that Farage got out at the right time.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Farage, if you take his mission as being to conduct the ultimate chancer lolfest rather than to be elected or do anything serious, has played a blinder.

[Lewis]

If we assume that the government intended to have trade agreements ready to go for Independence Day, will the other countries be more likely to want to rush those through to have free trading terms in place before any potential communist takeover?

This might all work out. Top trolling.

[Yevrah]

My biggest mistake in this thread was not taking heed of the TTH bellwether, Yevrah saying how much he admired Corbyn's campaign.

He was very good. Ok, slightly weak on the IRA stuff, but if it's a mobilisation of the youth vote he's managed then fair play to him and 18-25 year olds are less likely to understand/worry about the significance of that anyway.

Ultimately it's not good enough to run on a campaign of fear and after Brexit you'd think the Tories would have learnt their lesson, but here we are again. On one hand it's staggering May is trying to hang on, but on the other, who else is there and if we have to have another election this year then it's peak shambles as a nation politically.

That said, I still didn't believe that exit poll last night and was wholly wrong about that, totally miscalculating where the UKIP votes were going/that the youth would finally get off their arse.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think the UKIP votes did largely go to the Tories (or 50%+, as was trailed). I have a spreadsheet and my Tory numbers were within 1% of being right. It was the youth uprising wot won it (or wot got 260 seats, at least).

Sadly we've finally reached the point where a majority of the population are not old enough to remember what happened the last time we had a socialist government.

[Lewis]

Andrew Neil looks to have re-painted his hair.

[Yevrah]

John mentioned Bucketheads manifesto so I thought I'd take a look.

My favourites:

7. Nuclear weapons: A firm public commitment to build the £100bn renewal of the Trident weapons system, followed by an equally firm private commitment not to build it. They’re secret submarines, no one will ever know. It’s a win win.

13. Stop selling arms to Saudi Arabia. Start buying lasers from Lord Buckethead.

Number 7 is absolutely brilliant and worded perfectly. :D

[Henry]

So you're going to have the following people in a position of power.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9smqWDXoAEdCLb.jpg

[phonics]

I've seen that going around. What's the issue with trusting Muslims to go to the shop for you?

[GS]

So you're going to have the following people in a position of power.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9smqWDXoAEdCLb.jpg

Do you not think it's slightly hypocritical to cite this sort of thing when you froth at the mouth when Jezza's words are brought out?

[Jimmy Floyd]

How can you do that and not mention Sammy Wilson.

[Henry]

Do you not think it's slightly hypocritical to cite this sort of thing when you froth at the mouth when Jezza's words are brought out?

You're the only one frothing at the mouth about that.

[Henry]

I've seen that going around. What's the issue with trusting Muslims to go to the shop for you?

Probably needed a bit of context, that one. He was defending a minister/hate-preacher at the time who'd said that Islam was satanic and "spawned in hell".

[Lewis]

Where can I get a bowler hat and sash at short notice?

[GS]

Where can I get a bowler hat and sash at short notice?

I'll have some sent round.

[Lewis]

Oh, and not to forget a Rangers shirt. What year was that lol 'tangerine' away one?

[John]

2002.

[Lewis]

This black lad on BBC was going to vote, but then he got high.

[Magic]

I love the Celtic fans hating the prospect of DUP in government. :harold:

[GS]

The Union is safe, if nothing else.

[Lewis]

https://s16.postimg.org/q3dwn2w1x/154548488.jpg

[GS]

This Labour nutter suggesting that they could get a Queen's Speech through the Commons. :harold:

[Henry]

This Labour nutter suggesting that they could get a Queen's Speech through the Commons. :harold:

That sort of talk is clearly just optics, and to increase the pressure on May. They're not going to come straight out and tell her to have at it.

[GS]

There's no other constitutional way forward here. May gets first crack, and she can command the confidence of the house through DUP confidence and supply. It's stupid to suggest otherwise. You can attack whether she should stay on after a transition period, of course.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If everyone falls into line and votes along the expected lines, then you'd get this:

Strong and Stable Government: 328
Coalition of Chaos: 314
Speaker: 1
IRA: 7

So you'd need 7-8 Tories/DUP to vote through the Corbyn Queen's Speech.

[Lewis]

The right did set the precedent for this soiling itself over Gordon Brown attempting to do likewise, so whatever.

[GS]

If everyone falls into line and votes along the expected lines, then you'd get this:

Strong and Stable Government: 328
Coalition of Chaos: 314
Speaker: 1
IRA: 7

So you'd need 7-8 Tories/DUP to vote through the Corbyn Queen's Speech.

Exactly.

The DUP, under no circumstances, are going to vote for anything Jez wants.

[Magic]

All the parties could form a working agreement for BREXIT?

OH WAIT, that's for the good of the country, not the self interest politics we find ourselves with today. #CORB-IN

[Jimmy Floyd]

The collapsing Nats really have saved the country. Oh the irony.

[Pepe]

Sadly we've finally reached the point where a majority of the population are not old enough to remember what happened the last time we had a socialist government.

When was that?

[Jimmy Floyd]

When was that?

1974-79.

[Pepe]

And you remember?

[Magic]

All I really remember from government is fucking austerity, credit crunch, cuts, privatisation.

So FUCK OFF TORIES.

[Jimmy Floyd]

And you remember?

Yes.

[Henry]

Never mind the SNP. The real danger is if the DUP are in government. (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/24/snp-dup-democratic-unionist-party-government-tories-anti-scottish-coalition-homophobic?CMP=fb_gu)

From the last election, and it still holds.

[Magic]

Never mind the SNP. The real danger is if the DUP are in government. (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/24/snp-dup-democratic-unionist-party-government-tories-anti-scottish-coalition-homophobic?CMP=fb_gu)

From the last election, and it still holds.

He's biased though, isn't he a jobbee jabber? Of course he doesn't like the DUP.

[Reg]

Do you not think it's slightly hypocritical to cite this sort of thing when you froth at the mouth when Jezza's words are brought out?
This is a joke right? After all your huffing and puffing on Corbyn, you couldn't be more hypocritical stating that you're "all for" the Tories getting into bed with the DUP.

[Magic]

Haha the Pound against the Euro has lost like 2 cents! Got my Euros last week, who's laughing now!!!

[Henry]

He's biased though, isn't he a jobbee jabber? Of course he doesn't like the DUP.

What the hell is a jobbee jabber, and isn't it okay to be biased against theocrats?

[John]

All I really remember from government is fucking austerity, credit crunch, cuts, privatisation.

So FUCK OFF TORIES.

Yet you were going to vote for them 'until the campaigns started' this time around.


This is a joke right? After all your huffing and puffing on Corbyn, you couldn't be more hypocritical stating that you're "all for" the Tories getting into bed with the DUP.

The problem with Corbyn is that he was essentially rooting for Britain to lose what was at that point an armed conflict. There isn't that issue with the DUP, as much as they're still problematic arseholes in many ways.

[Mazuuurk]

Why do literally all English politicians just sort of look like librarians who abuse children?

[Magic]

Yet you were going to vote for them 'until the campaigns started' this time around.

So it's taken a complete bumbling on one side and a very good bit of PR campaigning on the other side. Am I not allowed to be convinced? For shame you need to be a 'died in the wool' to not take criticism.

[phonics]

What the hell is a jobbee jabber, and isn't it okay to be biased against theocrats?

It's a derogatory term for gays. 'Shit stabber' would be the English version.

[John]

What the hell is a jobbee jabber, and isn't it okay to be biased against theocrats?

A pejorative term for a gay person.


So it's taken a complete bumbling on one side and a very good bit of PR campaigning on the other side. Am I not allowed to be convinced? For shame you need to be a 'died in the wool' to not take criticism.

So wholly convinced that your entire memory of the government has been fundamentally changed? Noone more zealous than a convert, I suppose.

[Magic]

It's not derogatory, it's complimentary, literal and wholly accurate.

[phonics]

It's not derogatory, it's complimentary, literal and wholly accurate.

Try just using 'gay' next time.

[Boydy]

Lord Buckethead's manifesto is every bit as good as his outfit, by the way.

It's all stuff like nationalising Adele and bringing back Ceefax, then suddenly point fourteen is a genuine and sensible piece of policy.

I've been saying that for years!

EDIT: The bit you put in quote tags that isn't showing up when I quote you about candidates having to live in constituencies before they can run.

[John]

I've been saying that for years!

Ceefax was shit hot.

[phonics]

Well done Boydy, after doing a degree in political science at some of the most reputational schools in the land, you've reached the same level as a guy wearing cricket pads doing dabs with a bucket on his head.

edit: That's mean and I'm not sure entirely accurate. Sorry Boyd. I recant.

[GS]

This is a joke right? After all your huffing and puffing on Corbyn, you couldn't be more hypocritical stating that you're "all for" the Tories getting into bed with the DUP.

My view has always been that the preservation of the Union trumps all. Corbyn wanted it broken apart through coercion. The DUP want to preserve it.

[Dark Soldier]

Fucking GS Jesus Christ :harold:

Its a glorious day, Labour making a dent in the blue cunts.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I bet Lord Buckethead hasn't lived in Maidenhead for the last five years.

[phonics]

Going by his syntax on Twitter I'm betting it's a student of some sort.

Think I might put 'running as a farcical MP' on my Bucket list. Seems fun.

[phonics]

Bloody hell, nearly got through a whole election without reposting this

http://i.imgur.com/Wl8bmH8.png

[John]

Does your involvement in graphic design give you a blind spot for really shitty, unfunny, wit free pictures? Like how 'proper football men' take three years longer than the rest of us to spot when a player is finished.

[Dark Soldier]

The seethe on this forum when someone views a pic they don't find funny. You all read MJ's posts ffs.

[Boydy]

John's seething.

[Jimmy Floyd]

That picture would be quite funny if it wasn't for the treason of including the probably Labour supporting Queen.

[Boydy]

I bet Jez and Liz would get on pretty well. He'd show up for afternoon tea with a pot of his homemade jam and they'd have it on scones and it'd be lovely.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Her favourite PM was said to be Wilson, and she properly hated the blessed Margaret, so based on that I reckon she wants May dead.

[phonics]

Does your involvement in graphic design give you a blind spot for really shitty, unfunny, wit free pictures? Like how 'proper football men' take three years longer than the rest of us to spot when a player is finished.

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[Magic]

This:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2lXI2wUAAEvOBN.jpg

Remains the best political satire image I've ever seen. Ever. I still laugh out loud. :drool:

[phonics]

I do like the Jez McMahon gif. It's the hat.

[Magic]

Aside from the real pictures of a man dressed as a Darth Vader bucket and a man dressed as a Fish Finger. But that's real stuff, rather than photoshopped by some prick with a degree in Twitter.

[Jimmy Floyd]

This is absolute horseshit from May. You can't do Brexit on this bollocks 'majority'.

Boris needs to issue a leadership challenge now, they all need to fall in behind him and then he needs to come up with some sort of genuinely unifying Brexit settlement that will get through Parliament. And probably stump up all that NHS money. Then he needs to call and win his own election, and only THEN can we start the negotiations.

He might be an absolute wanker, but only he has the charisma to pull it off.

[Lewis]

I would rather ram a HARD BREXIT through and spend fifteen years under communist Labour than settle for a ponce-friendly Brexit.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Hard Brexit needed a bigger result. She basically won the election 52-48.

[Lewis]

I can't see even the biggest remain Conservatives caving the government in over this. Not that it matters. We won't get anything out of them regardless.

[Kikó]

The negotiations with Europe will be crap no matter what. Just send them with a cross party mandate and start negotiating.

[Henry]

Juncker et al must be loving this. They're determined to punish whoever doesn't kowtow to them.

[GS]

The pro-remain Tories won't risk collapsing the government, surely. If they turn it into a confidence vote, they'd have to vote for it.

I don't disagree that this is bollocks from May, but there's literally no alternative at this point. I'm not convinced Boris is feasible, unless the Leave lot all run on a combined 'clean slates' ticket to force it through whilst shoving an extra £350m into the NHS from a tax on yoga classes and fruit smoothies.

[Lewis]

https://s8.postimg.org/ijgkwtco5/article-2097311-007f9d5000000578-552_468x286.jpg

Let's 'ave it, Europe.

[Lewis]

Norman Lamont looks like he died a month ago.

[Jimmy Floyd]

At this point they have to ditch austerity and shoot Jeremy's fox with Boris charisma and £350 million a year for the NHS (which they were going to do if Boris won last year).

May is toast.

[GS]

She's definitely done, but I reckon they won't knife her for a month or two. Who are the options, realistically? Rudd and Boris is as far as I get before writing them off, and you can't have Rudd because her majority is too small. For fuck sake.

Ditching austerity is all great isn't it, but we're still borrowing a ton to fund it so it's a non-starter. Unless people are prepared to pay more tax, but then everyone complains at that unless it's other people paying it.

[Henry]

Ditching austerity is all great isn't it, but we're still borrowing a ton to fund it so it's a non-starter.

*sigh*

That's not how economics works. It isn't accountancy.
You'd think that at a time like this you might be a little open to fresh ideas.

[phonics]

I need a super cut of all the anti-Corbyn labour types having to admit they were wrong. Now.

[GS]

*sigh*

That's not how economics works. It isn't accountancy.
You'd think that at a time like this you might be a little open to fresh ideas.

This is basically the 2010 result, except with the Tories doing better. "A time like this" indeed.

[7om]

So when should we expect Corbyn's resignation? You know, since Labour are 60-odd seats off May and her disastrous campaign.

[niko_cee]

Isn't there a slight danger for Labour that this is potentially 'peak Corbyn' and by keeping him on (which they obviously sort of have to do) they probably risk if not losing, then not winning against a less than totally incompetent Conservative effort in however many years (months/weeks/days)? Although whether that materialises is perhaps debatable.

For all the talk of the Conservatives being a ruthless electoral machine they haven't half been shit since coming back into government in its various guises. They were a bit bollocksed by having to deal with the aftermath of no more boom and bust in the coalition, but having weathered that and won an unlikely majority in 2015 their hubris has monumentally fucked them, twice. Is it because they're all a bunch of sub-civil service quality numpties?

[Spammer]

I'd imagine Labour would do better in another election now that people recognise that's a bit more than a cat in hell's chance of them actually getting somewhere.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'd imagine Labour would do better in another election now that people recognise that's a bit more than a cat in hell's chance of them actually getting somewhere.

There is that, but there is also a fucklot of anti-Corbyn sentiment out there (as in proper poisonous hatred of the type that some lefties have about Thatcher) so he'd never get past a certain high water mark.

[GS]

Just looking at the numbers here, you have:

Tories 317 (excluding Bercow)
Labour 262
SNP 35
LD 12
DUP 10
SF 7
Plaid 4
Green 1
Speaker 1
Independent unionist 1

The effective majority required is 321, as if it's a tie the speaker votes with the government. So they have a working majority of 12. They can lose six Tories per vote on any EU issue and it doesn't matter. A rainbow coalition would reach 314 with Labour, SNP, LD, Plaid and Green all voting the same way. You'd assume that Labour would lose a handful of Leave supporting MPs like Frank Field on a straight up-and-down on European issues, and I can't imagine Lady Hermon voting with Labour giving the IRA spent years trying to assassinate her husband. So they can probably lose about a dozen Tory MPs in the ultra-important votes, but that could vary vote by vote.

The Tories could end up having to turn every EU vote into a confidence measure, whereby the government basically collapses if it doesn't get through. What a time it's going to be.

[GS]

Isn't there a slight danger for Labour that this is potentially 'peak Corbyn' and by keeping him on (which they obviously sort of have to do) they probably risk if not losing, then not winning against a less than totally incompetent Conservative effort in however many years (months/weeks/days)? Although whether that materialises is perhaps debatable.

For all the talk of the Conservatives being a ruthless electoral machine they haven't half been shit since coming back into government in its various guises. They were a bit bollocksed by having to deal with the aftermath of no more boom and bust in the coalition, but having weathered that and won an unlikely majority in 2015 their hubris has monumentally fucked them, twice. Is it because they're all a bunch of sub-civil service quality numpties?

The Tories have thrown it away through a series of hubristic own goals, unfortunately. Cameron would have walked to a majority against him.

We should give him a peerage and bring him back as Prime Minister. Fuck it.

[GS]

There's some proper seething over the DUP, now that people from outside the province have remembered that we actually exist. :drool:

[phonics]

Yeah, everyone loved Cameron.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I have to say it's a bit dodgy propping up a government with people who have their gay views.

Boris and back to the country please. If that means Jeremy 200 majority then so be it, this result is crap.

[Lewis]

There's some proper seething over the DUP, now that people from outside the province have remembered that we actually exist. :drool:

'I never voted for this!' I didn't see 'Progressive Alliance' on the ballot either lads, and yet...

[GS]

I have to say it's a bit dodgy propping up a government with people who have their gay views.

Boris and back to the country please. If that means Jeremy 200 majority then so be it, this result is crap.

It's a devolved issue, so it's just tough shit isn't it.

[phonics]

In other THINGS THAT DEFINITELY HAPPENED news

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It's not just luvvie lefties that pull this sort of shit.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I can well imagine that happening if it's in London. It's not enough in that city to believe you are right; you also have to demonstrate to everyone that you believe you are right.

[7om]

Could you imagine an election campaign of Boris vs Corbyn?

[phonics]

I can well imagine that happening if it's in London. It's not enough in that city to believe you are right; you also have to demonstrate to everyone that you believe you are right.

At 6 in the morning? Who's hanging out at a cafe at that time for one?

edit: Ah shit my time settings are wrong on this laptop. Okay, it's slightly more believable but still didn't happen.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It says 2.52pm on my display.

[GS]

Could you imagine an election campaign of Boris vs Corbyn?

I'd rather not.

They should let her do the Brexit negotiations, then when she fucks them up they can torpedo her and blame her for it.

[phonics]

People are going a bit mad on both sides but I don't think there's anyone enjoying today more than old Gideon.

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[GS]

You can hardly blame him, to be fair.

Reshuffle Klaxon. Timothy is on his way out too, which is entirely right given he's responsible for the social care fuck up.

[Byron]

Sinn Fein holding a conference.

Imagine.......

[Dark Soldier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrpJ4N0ffgk

[Yeldoow]

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:harold:

[phonics]

Slightly disappointed he's not using a voice modulator.

[elth]

Gotta give Corbyn credit, didn't think in a million years he had this in him.

[GS]

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:harold:

Is correct. The only question is working out which of them should have their metaphorical backs against the wall first.

[Jimmy Floyd]

There is something they can do, which is install Boris now in a highly co-ordinated coup.

[Dark Soldier]

That fake DUP terrorist link image going round :harold:

[Henry]

That fake DUP terrorist link image going round :harold:

What's that?

They did in fact support Ulster Resistance, among other dodginess.

[GS]

There is something they can do, which is install Boris now in a highly co-ordinated coup.

They'll take her team apart as a prelude, but I really can't imagine Graham Brady won't be knocking on the door very, very soon to tell her to start packing.

The state of this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB43LeVW0AAiTFY.jpg

[phonics]

Looks Strong and Stable to me.

[Dark Soldier]

What's that?

They did in fact support Ulster Resistance, among other dodginess.

https://s16.postimg.org/596p1g8v9/IMG_5174.jpg

When its this:

http://i.imgur.com/NSBKX7k.jpg

Not denying the ties but the hysteria of today leads to gullible fecks.

[Magic]

Is that her real face? :D

[Jimmy Floyd]

They'll take her team apart as a prelude, but I really can't imagine Graham Brady won't be knocking on the door very, very soon to tell her to start packing.

The state of this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB43LeVW0AAiTFY.jpg

Let's go again on Monday. Polling stations all rigged up and ready.

[GS]

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Bang on time. You can always trust the Tories.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I would absolutely love to be in the '22 Whatsapp group. They're probably by now in the final stages of how to dispose of the body.

[GS]

The reshuffle has been postponed to tomorrow as well. It might happen. Boris by Monday.

[Yeldoow]

Any validity to this from Jonathan Powell?


I do think it’s a mistake to go into government with the “support of our friends” in the DUP. Even John Major avoided doing that and the reason he avoided that is the peace process is based on a balance that the British government has made it clear it is neutral in Northern Ireland, it doesn’t take sides. Once you have their support you are no longer neutral.

It matters for two big reasons. First, we haven’t managed to get the executive back up and running in Northern Ireland because of divisions between the two sides. The British government were trying to mediate between the two sides to get an administration up and running again and of course now it can’t possibly have that role of mediating.

And secondly I think it’s a mistake because one of the big issues in the Brexit negotiations is the border between north and south. Now the DUP is a minority in its view about Brexit, it’s in favour of Brexit. This is going to be a very real problem.

Whatever you put on a piece of paper, you’re living there with a minority government, that’s dependant on the DUP, you get to a crucial issue and then they say, ‘Remember what we want in terms of talks in Northern Ireland’, and the government has a choice: do they say, ‘We’re not giving you let, we’ll let the government collapse’, or do they just bend a little on that issue, it’s just one small issue it doesn’t matter. But beyond that the government can’t possibly be seen as neutral on Northern Ireland now if it puts itself at the mercy of the DUP.

[Henry]

You're talking shit, Powell. John Major did do that, if "that" means trading favours to the UUP in exchange for votes, which is presumably exactly what is being countenanced with the DUP.

[Magic]

God this is mental isn't it? Apparently they were saying 'if it mattered' Sinn Fein would have taken their seats and sucked the Queen's cunt.