UK General Election 2017 - 8 June

[randomlegend]

They said it was a "younger male" he was inappropriate to on the radio this morning. Unless this was a different one, wouldn't be surprising. Although why would Mel B be at the Tory party conference?

[Spikey M]

Bit racist.

[Kikó]

It's admirable how much Lewis will defend the Tories.

[randomlegend]

It's admirable how much Lewis will defend the Tories.

Not sure "admirable" would be my choice of word.

[Spikey M]

Bit ableist.

[Yevrah]

No more than we were last month, for all of the instant screeching. We'll just continue the decline, shovel more and more of a dwindling GDP into the health service, and then wake up one day and realise we're a middle income country. The 'sensible' Labour Party won't do anything different by the way. They will just set the clock to the day before David Cameron called the referendum and get an easier ride off of Twitter.

With this and the previous posts you're effectively saying it doesn't actually matter what she does from your perspective as as far as you're concerned we won't be any worse off either way.

[SvN]

Can Best Poster awards be revoked?

[Lewis]

With this and the previous posts you're effectively saying it doesn't actually matter what she does from your perspective as as far as you're concerned we won't be any worse off either way.

How have you read that? I'm saying that we are in, and will remain in, terminal decline unless she does something. I just don't think that it was her tax cuts that has put us there ('killing the country' lol). I'm also not sure how I'm 'defend[ing] the Tories' when I'm blaming them in large part for this decline.

[Yevrah]

It's your stubborn refusal to accept that as things stand she's made the situation worse that causes the problem.

[Yevrah]

Now, if she was about to release a series of actual measures that would "get us moving", fine, but amongst all the tangibly bad things she's done, it's clear as day that her and her advisors are idiots (not understanding her tax cuts would spook the markets, thinking touring local radio would be a good idea, not understanding that she wouldn't get one of her tax cuts through the house of commons), so on all available evidence, I really don't hold out much hope and we're clearly not in a situation where we have the time to be waiting.

[Lewis]

I don't suppose the last week has helped (although the next ones might), but it isn't making or breaking thirty years of poor government either. It's a pretty hysterical mindset, and thinking that 1) it was this week is wot done it; and 2) that just putting somebody 'sensible' in office will sort everything, points to not having any long-term sense of anything or anything to come.

[Yevrah]

1) The last week has been a catastrophe, she's brought forward mortgage rate rises (that we were admittedly going to get) by about 9 months.

2) What are you seeing in Truss that suggests she'd be better than a sensible choice that literally no one else can see?

[7om]

I’m enjoying Lewis’ transformation into GS.

[Spikey M]

Her main idiocy is thinking that income tax is what stops growth. It isn't. America didn't get where they are by having low taxes, they did it by having basically no competition (thanks again WW2) and by basically letting big business do whatever they want. Removing / ignoring / not creating regulations that stop them from ruining the air, the water, the ground and the people around them, because $$$.

I think it's also a bit of a con to suggest that growth is the answer to what's going on. Growth makes the rich richer. It doesn't "trickle down". But, if you really want to shoot for growth, then wage reform would do far more than tax reform ever could. An economy cannot grow when 80% of the population have no disposable income and depend on ever increasing debt to fund essentials.

[Lewis]

1) The last week has been a catastrophe, she's brought forward mortgage rate rises (that we were admittedly going to get) by about 9 months.

2) What are you seeing in Truss that suggests she'd be better than a sensible choice that literally no one else can see?

I'll judge her based on the rest of her reforms package, which hopefully contain the sort of drastic changes that most 'sensible' politicians - the type bealing about her in the newspapers - can't even recognise (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58594953) that we need. If they don't then she is crap, but the country will still need massive changes.

Say what you will about the Corbyn people, but at least they recognise[d] that there are major issues with the way the country is run. The 'middle ground' is happy with the country rotting as long as they can go back to parading its skin suit at European summits.

[Boydy]

I see Suella Braverman wants to make cannabis a class A drug now.

[Yevrah]

If we really wanted to get the economy moving we could do far worse than legalising it.

[Yevrah]

And having read her take, Jesus fuck. Honestly, what are these people on?

[Shindig]

Coke.

[Lewis]

I would happily legalise every other drug but still ban cannabis on smell grounds.

[Magic]

Sturgeon is hilarious. :cool:

[Boydy]

If we really wanted to get the economy moving we could do far worse than legalising it.

Completelt agree, almost included the same sentiment in that post.

[Lofty]

I would happily legalise every other drug but still ban cannabis on smell grounds.

Just legalise edibles. It is quite mental that the government could corner the market on this properly and make a mint, solve a crime issue and address a health issue for people who want it for medicinal reasons but are instead leaning the other way. Even the mental yanks are softening on it.

You can legally buy medicinal cannbis right now if you jump through enough hoops, delivered to your door by DPD. It is expensive though by all accounts.

[Queenslander]

Medical Cannabis is easily accessible in Brisbane they will even deliver it to my door.

It will be legalised within the next year or so down here.

[Offshore Toon]

It's legal here and half the island are on it.

[Boydy]

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Is that good?

[Spikey M]

Only if you don't money.

And retirement.

[Kikó]

I don't money IMO.

[Boydy]

I don't money IMO.

You are money.

[Spikey M]

I don't LIKE money right now either.

[Kikó]

You are money.

I can money.

[Spikey M]

I can money.

I've see your portfolio. You can't.

[Luke Emia]

This will be what takes her down if anything. If she can’t control this and rates push up to 7/8% bearing in mind the base rate is currently only 2.25% with more rate rises to come she is cooked.

She either needs to tell the BoE not to raise rates and live with the inflation or pull back on all the spending. But she won’t do either.

[Kikó]

I've see your portfolio. You can't.

Missed the word 'lose'.

[Boydy]

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[Ben]

Tories of old would be sharpening the knives by this point.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They've gone through so many iterations now that all the knife-sharpeners have themselves been knifed.

Boris comeback would be hilarious.

[phonics]

Speaking with some Americans and the BBC came up and I was thinking about it. Why exactly do the Tories fundamentally want to destroy the BBC? I don't quite get it. It's been around forever so it's traditional, it's famous around the world so gives prestige and cultural attache to Britain, it can be used to disseminate propaganda at home and abroad and it's 50 quid a year. Is it just the Tory media not wanting to compete against the Beeb and so it got culture warred?

[Kikó]

They want to destroy all soft power influence for reasons.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's because they see it as left wing and biased against them. In a certain sense, they are right, because it is. However, that they are wrong to believe that to be a bad thing.

You'll notice that when Tories complain about the BBC, it is always the news that they complain about, not the rest (vast majority) of its output.

[phonics]

If the BBC is left wing they're sitting like here at best.

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[Ben]

The left complain the BBC are too far right and the right complain the BBC are too far left and that is the best argument anyone can make for keeping it.

[Boydy]

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Cool.

[Kikó]

At least it's not people's lives at stake

[Jimmy Floyd]

Critics moan that parliament is full of children – and next week it certainly will be. For Mr S has learned of a new scheme to champion Westminster's outreach efforts across the country. The UK Youth Parliament for 11 to 18 year olds was one thing; now Tory MP Anna Firth is hosting the first in-person 'Children’s Parliament Select Committee' for those even younger.

For next Monday London and Southend school pupils between the ages of seven to eleven will descend on Portcullis House to ask the tough questions of various water companies. Anglian Water, Southern Water and other related businesses are expected to be there and can expect a grilling on sewage, sustainability and leakage reduction. Good luck to the Paxmans of primary school...

The event will also see the launch of a Children’s Parliament APPG. Firth is spearheading the scheme, partly to honour her predecessor, Sir David Amess, the MP for Southend West cruelly murdered last October. She told Mr S: 'I am determined to build upon his legacy' adding 'I think our youngsters debating the issues of the day in Westminster will resonate with everyone and give the children an experience they will never forget.'

That's it, I'm done. Fuck Southend and fuck off.

[Lofty]

The same left wing BBC that mocked up Corbyn in a Russian hat and asked him the morning after the Manchester bombing if that gave him an advantage in the election. Righto.

[Spikey M]

That's it, I'm done. Fuck Southend and fuck off.

Don't worry Jim, I'm sure the Children of Surrey will get the opportunity to grill Agricultural Commission or something.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The same left wing BBC that mocked up Corbyn in a Russian hat and asked him the morning after the Manchester bombing if that gave him an advantage in the election. Righto.

The bias is liberal rather than left, which irks Tories equally (because they are neither of those things), but also irks the barricade shouty crew.

Keir Starmer would be a dream PM for BBC heads. Tony Blair was one until he palled up with dubya. Gordon Brown they didn't like because he was too intellectual/introverted and not at home in cool circles like they imagine their own to be.

W1A a good filofax on this stuff.

[Yevrah]

She's gonna u-turn. Hahahahahaha.

Whatcha sayin' now Lewis?

[randomlegend]

It's actually Jeremy Corbyn/Ukraine's fault obviously.

[John Arne]

It's actually Jeremy Corbyn/Ukraine's fault obviously.

You joke, but I saw someone tweet recently that the disaster that is Truss shows us how bad it would have been under Corbyn. These people are obsessed.

[Boydy]

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Lol. They were all her policies though.

[Yevrah]

Corporation tax going up to 25% from 19% supposedly.

Seems she's joined the anti-growth coalition.

[Boydy]

You joke, but I saw someone tweet recently that the disaster that is Truss shows us how bad it would have been under Corbyn. These people are obsessed.

Jimmy was saying that here the other day.

[Yevrah]

What a tweet Boyd. Fuck me. Uber shambles ahoy.

[Ben]

Oh my God. :lol:

[Ben]

Tom Newton Dunn (quite well connected) reckons Jeremy Hunt for Chancellor. He's arguably the most stable person they've got currently, which is fucking saying something.

[Boydy]

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:lol:

[Giggles]

Will this mean my Amazon shopping spree will have to end?

[Lofty]

It's official, Kwarteng gone. What a legacy :D

[Magic]

A lot of people will have gotten very rich over the past few weeks because of this pissing around. Total fraud

[Yevrah]

Kwarteng becomes the shortest serving chancellor who didn't die from a heart attack.

[Boydy]

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Come on Kwasi.

[Yevrah]

Given the utterly transparent nature of why she did it, she has yet again done something completely inexplicable.

Prince Charles needs to step in, this woman is clearly very dangerous through her sheer incompetence.

[Yevrah]

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[-james-]

What a cuck.

[Yevrah]

Indeed. I'm hoping these things need to be that way and he'll set about her in interviews over the next few days.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Come on Kwasi.

Faisal lied to us.

[Boydy]

BBC reporting a group of senior tories are to call publicly for her to go. But apparently won't speak out until next week. Do it now, you fannies.

[Ben]

These fucks need to go to jail.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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:drool:

He's back.

[Yevrah]

Outstanding work from all concerned. Do we get another mini-budget now? I'll need to get the popcorn in.

[Don]

Listen to her attempt to talk. Pure death :D

Someone count how many times she said 'growth' in amongst that shit.

[Yevrah]

Even if you accept the contents of her speech do make sense (rofl), it makes no sense that she's sacked Kwarteng.

[Gray Fox]

Even the Tory rags are piling on her here.

EDIT: Did she just run away? :D

[Lewis]

She's gonna u-turn. Hahahahahaha.

Whatcha sayin' now Lewis?

This is all very pathetic, and shoots her credibility to bits, but the other reforms were and are more important than the tax changes. If she can get them through, which this doesn't help, and then the Conservative Party will deserve to die (as it did over Brexit) if she can't.

[Yevrah]

"aren't you going to say sorry" :D

It's quite staggering that this is all somehow worse than Boris.

[Boydy]

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Lol

[Boydy]

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Just superb stuff, Liz

[Ben]

They need to fucking grow up and oust her, then.

[-james-]

Betfair markets reckon she's a goner.

[7om]

A general election can’t come soon enough. God fucking help us.

[Ben]

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[niko_cee]

We're so close to my long term vision of Prime Minister Jeremy Hunt. This has to be his absolute last chance [they're gone for 10 years after this] so 'mon Jezza. Get it done!

[7om]

Interesting post on the conservative subreddit on why anyone would still vote Tory.

https://old.reddit.com/r/tories/comments/y3te4s/why_support_tory/isaiach/

[Lewis]

The reasons for voting Conservative were:

2010: Why not?
2015: I wasn't going to for ages because they were rubbish on all fronts, but then Cameron offered us a referendum.
2017: Theresa May was talking a good game on Brexit, although, again, the rest of her programme was terrible (except ironically for the 'Dementia Tax').
2019: Get Brexit Done.

In other words, the alternative has always been even more shit. That will more than likely continue be the case in the next election, but I will just write something racist on the ballot paper rather than vote for them again if they're going to lose anyway.

[Ben]

Nothing is more shit than Brexit.

[Manc]

Oven ready.

[Spikey M]

Nothing is more shit than Brexit.

I don't think we've actually experienced what Brexit is like. Covid and Ukraine have fucked everything up.

Boydy couldn't order his filthy vape liquid from Britain once. That's about the extent of it for now.

[Yevrah]

I have a mate who's rabidly anti-brexit and he works for a medical supplies company. His contention was that since Brexit his company have to pay a shit load more on imports. I asked whether they actually had to or was that just profiteering from the suppliers and he couldn't answer. So there's possibly that too, but the shitstorm we're in now is not of Brexit's doing.

Most countries are fucked and while we're a bit more fucked than most it's because the Tories a) spent billions following the SCIENCE/trying to deal with COVID in the way an Asian country would/feathering the nests of their mates and b) put a lunatic in charge at the arse end of it all who doesn't understand what impact the decisions she makes will have on the markets.

[Yevrah]

Hunt's now talking about some taxes not going down by as much as he thought and some having to go up. He's clearly not just talking about Truss' corporation tax announcement yesterday so that's more u-turns ahoy.

He also talks with the look of a man who is gunning to be PM, this isn't his first rodeo and Truss is going to have a nightmare controlling him and she surely can't sack another chancellor.

[Shindig]

Most countries are fucked and while we're a bit more fucked than most it's because the Tories a) spent billions following the SCIENCE/trying to deal with COVID in the way an Asian country would/feathering the nests of their mates and b) put a lunatic in charge at the arse end of it all who doesn't understand what impact the decisions she makes will have on the markets.

I'll give you the other two but Boris was very reluctant to put us into lockdown. China still pursues a zero-covid approach, Vietnam were quick to lockdown neighbourhoods. Japan didn't even bother with a lockdown. Which Asian country are we trying to follow?

[Yevrah]

I was referring to the test and trace aspect, which cost a fortune, would have been impossible to implement even if the tech worked, which was irrelevant anyway as the tech turned out to be dogshit.

[Kikó]

Somehow about the #SCIENCE 🤩

[Yevrah]

It was, very few of the decisions we took, if any, were in the interests of anything else.

[Yevrah]

Am I'm not after eventing here as I definitely wasn't saying that enough at the time, when I should have been. Battling nonsensical scientific policies left me blindsided on that front.

[Lewis]

The 'direct' costs of the virus like test and trace (99% of which was on testing) are the smaller side of things compared to paying people to stay at home and lost tax revenues. I just tell myself my bills are going up to pay for the months off work I had, which softens the blow a bit.

[Dave.]

The 'direct' costs of the virus like test and trace (99% of which was on testing) are the smaller side of things compared to paying people to stay at home and lost tax revenues. I just tell myself my bills are going up to pay for the months off work I had, which softens the blow a bit.

But you can afford for your bills to go up (given the tone of your post) whereas other people can't.

[Lewis]

A dramatic tax-cutting budget might do the trick.

[Dave.]

A dramatic tax-cutting budget might do the trick.

It could do. The country finds itself in an extremely difficult especially with the mortgage crisis still to come. I don't envy anyone who is put in charge of decision making or (especially) anyone who struggles during this time.

[Ben]

A dramatic tax-cutting budget might do the trick.

Time and place. When even the free market is shitting the bed over it, you’ve got to admit it’s neither the time nor the place.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Margolyes on Hunt :D

[Yevrah]

:D She's as mad as a box of frogs, but so entertaining.

[niko_cee]

:D

Claimed she 'thought she was off air'. lol

I rather assumed she might have gone down the well traveled Jeremy Cunt path when I first saw the headline.

[Don]

Lot of time for her after watching her Imagine episode with Alan Yentob. Great watch if it's still on iPlayer, proper character.

Edit: yep, still on iPlayer.

[Spikey M]

She was top quality on Graham Norton too. A proper sex pest by all accounts, but I'll let her off.

[Yevrah]

The story about her coming across a flasher and giving him a hand job was something else for a mainstream chat shows.

[Ian]

The story about her coming across a flasher and giving him a hand job was something else for a mainstream chat shows.

I'd never seen this one before. :D I love that she's telling this story while Will.i.am is sitting with her arm round her.

I've heard a couple of podcasts where she's been on as the guest and she's always great value.

[randomlegend]

She's very funny but I read her autobiography recently and I have to say it makes her come across as a bit of a twat.

Same to be said of Daisy May Cooper.

[Spikey M]

She's a complete and utter twat, there's no denying that. She's just a twat in a very entertaining and refreshing manner.

[Lofty]

Supposed to be the Harvey Weinstein of lesbians.

[Lofty]

Apparently 100 letters sent to Graham Brady over the weekend :D

[Ben]

Obviously it's tremendous scenes but another resignation or no-confidence vote has got to result in a General Election, and the way it's going for these fucks, they'll do well to be the Opposition. I can't see them chancing it, they're all about self-preservation.

[Yevrah]

A general election now, as Ben rightly says, is out of the question, but then so is another 3 month leadership contest charade. The only option they have is to maneuver someone competent into the chair and go from there. How they do that is the million-dollar question.

[Spikey M]

They would have to find someone competent first, so it can't be an internal promotion.

[niko_cee]

Jeremy! Jeremy! Jeremy!

:joy:

[Jimmy Floyd]

A general election now, as Ben rightly says, is out of the question, but then so is another 3 month leadership contest charade. The only option they have is to maneuver someone competent into the chair and go from there. How they do that is the million-dollar question.

If the entire party abandons Liz in a landslide movement, they can do it. If there are still 100 or so right wing headbanger holdouts, then it will be more difficult.

They are a dead government walking either way. Crack out the New Labour playlist. M People, Toploader, D:Ream, fill the dancefloor.

[randomlegend]

If Hunt becomes PM I'm moving in with Magic.

[Boydy]

So Hunt basically scrapped all her plans this morning and now she's sending out Mordaunt to answer questions in the Commons instead of doing it herself?

[Spikey M]

Atleast the damage is already done, so we get to suffer all the consequences of the tax cuts without any of the incredibly mild benefits. Yay.

[niko_cee]

:D

[Jimmy Floyd]

She's 'detained on urgent business' this afternoon, probably having a nervous breakdown. Really needs to resign for her own good. The most out of their depth PM/equivalent in any major nation for at least 100 years.

[Boydy]

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She's locked herself in the bog, hasn't she?

[Dave.]

She's locked herself in the bog, hasn't she?

No, as a tribute to the previous Prime Minister, she has locked herself in the fridge.:lol:

[-james-]

I've just seen the Q & A segment of Truss' press conference yesterday. I know politicians do this all the time, but the way she answered the questions (wtf r u doing, shouldn't you resign?) with completely unrelated pre-rehearsed bits (I've acted DECISIVELY) was fucking hilarious.

[Magic]

Suicide.

[SvN]

Who is giving her advice? Whoever it is must be intentionally sabotaging her.

[Don]

Very strange goings on, every question was "where tf is she?" and then she entered just after the questions, sat with her usual comical expression for Hunt's statement then left as if it was the most normal behaviour.

[Spikey M]

When is the next election? 2024?

[Yevrah]

What in the fuck has been going on today? I've been in back to back meetings at work all day and my phone was going insane with news updates.

[Spikey M]

The stable doors have been closed. But the horses are in the field. And the field is on fire.

[phonics]

And the horses are actually people in a horse panto costume.

[Spikey M]

And they're coming to the end of their mortgage fixed terms.

[Waffdon]

She looks like she’s been sedated.

[Lewis]

In the olden days they didn't have leadership contests, because somebody just naturally 'emerged' as the next leader, so they could easily all just agree to make Sunak or Michael Heseltine leader and have it done in an afternoon. I'm not sure what she is hanging around for. Maybe she thinks she can still deliver the rest of her pro-growth reforms and claim the credit for those, but the wankers behind her would have been reluctant enough before, let alone now, so she might as well let the party look 'decisive'.

[Lewis]

I think Boris Johnson would fare better under general election conditions than people currently think, particularly when the alternatives liable to be provided by the Conservative Party are zombie Thatcherism or a more contemptuous reversion back to 2018 (the Jesse Norman letter that people are getting excited over being its manifesto). With that in mind, a leadership scare getting him to sort himself out a bit might be the best outcome.

:happycry:

[Ben]

I’ve never seen someone at this level so out of their depth. She clearly thinks nothing, never mind knows.

[Spikey M]

Boris had his faults and they were many and varied, but he atleast took the experts advice (much to Yevs chagrin). This cunt had financial experts screaming on every media outlet before the "mini-budget" telling her what would happen if she pressed ahead and here we are.

[niko_cee]

And the horses are actually people in a horse panto costume.


https://youtu.be/KbkNul4wQH0

[Yevrah]

Boris had his faults and they were many and varied, but he atleast took the experts advice (much to Yevs chagrin). This cunt had financial experts screaming on every media outlet before the "mini-budget" telling her what would happen if she pressed ahead and here we are.

I think there's a happy medium of listening to advice and making your own decisions, which the Tories seem incapable of finding.

[Boydy]

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This is all very odd.

[phonics]

It's not odd, she turned up 2 minutes later.

She was scared of looking thick and sent someone else.

[Ben]

Mordaunt: the PM has a very valid reason that she is not here answering questions.

questions finish

Truss arrives...

[Shindig]

"I don't have an answer." might be a valid reason.

[7om]

What are the odds that after the next election the Conservatives don’t even have enough seats to be the official opposition?

[Ben]

Zero, but it would be hilarious.

I suppose if SNP had a stormer or there was some tactical voting in the South for the Lib Dems, then it's a miniscule possibility.

[Boydy]

What are the odds that after the next election the Conservatives don’t even have enough seats to be the official opposition?

Funny you should ask...

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I'd expect polls to tighten a lot if an election actually was called though.

[Boydy]

The actual poll in question:

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[Yevrah]

I'm sure it'll all be fine when she announces what her regulation busting policies are.

[Ben]

I imagine they'll lose even more after Hunt's announcement today. I mean, to most people it's a lot more sane than Kwarteng's but those people aren't voting Tory anyway now. Taking away tax breaks might be the straw that breaks the camel's back with the remaining nutters.

[7om]

Fucking mental stuff. Everybody knew that Truss was thick at best and utterly incompetent at worst and yet they voted for her in every ballot and the final vote. Why?

[Yevrah]

She only 'won' IIRC when it came to the final ballot, which was member driven and I think can be explained by her being the whitest remaining candidate.

[phonics]

She only 'won' IIRC when it came to the final ballot, which was member driven and I think can be explained by her being the whitest remaining candidate.

Not to defend tories but I think that's harsh. The people who drive the Conservative agenda wanted the tax cuts she promised and had spent the month prior using Mail/Express front pages to shit on Sunak every day it was between him and her. I mean look at this, they're even blaming him for the fallout from Truss

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[Ben]

Put them in the same bin as those holding Corbyn responsible for the last three years.

[Don]

'Economic stability' is the new 'growth'. 'Lowest unemployment since 1974' is the new 'we brought in the energy cap'. Such a fucking trainwreck.

[Yevrah]

Caught up with today's absolutely bizarre scenes and what I'd love to know is what was the catalyst for all this? How has she gone from being adamant this was the right thing to do a matter of days ago to ripping the whole thing up, giving the keys to no.10 to Jeremy Hunt and going into hiding, before finally coming out tonight to apologise?

One could say she realised it was a mistake, but if you're able to realise that, how in the fuck did it take (relatively) so long to do so?

[Spikey M]

Presumably, she thought it would all blow over. Then the BoE had to throw another wedge of cash at Government Bonds to stop us becoming Greece in 2008 and everyone else realised it wouldn't blow over, so the knives came out.

Since then they've been trying to undo all the shit she's been up to, whilst trying to make it look like it's all her doing. Working hard behind the scenes to fix all of Kwasi's mistakes. That idiot.

The plan is probably to leave her as PM, because they can't stomach any more shambles, but for her to basically be the Queen. In charge, but not actually in charge at all. "Sit down, shut up. If you have to speak just smile, nod and say "I was decisive" without crying"".

[Ben]

The problem is not that Truss is useless but that evidently her advisors are also useless. Historically they've always been the most switched on but yesterday's damage limitation shambles (not to mention the entire last seven weeks) shows that even the unelected faceless people that actually devise policy have also jumped the shark now.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Caught up with today's absolutely bizarre scenes and what I'd love to know is what was the catalyst for all this? How has she gone from being adamant this was the right thing to do a matter of days ago to ripping the whole thing up, giving the keys to no.10 to Jeremy Hunt and going into hiding, before finally coming out tonight to apologise?

One could say she realised it was a mistake, but if you're able to realise that, how in the fuck did it take (relatively) so long to do so?

Because she has absolutely zero political acumen (an underrated trait to have) and has basically fallen into the gig by accident after 3 previous Tory administrations have drained all the talent and serious people from this generation of the party's ranks.

You cannot (ever) start a ministry by blowing up the national revenue with no corresponding reforms already in place.

[niko_cee]

Jeremy Hunt looks like he's struggling to contain a giggle in many of these interviews he's been giving.

Be well funny if he puts all junior doctors on the minimum wage or something when he does his mini-mini-budget-statement thing at the end of the month. "I've solved the NHS funding problem!".

[Spikey M]

Homeopathy to replace Chemotherapy, Antidepressants and pain killers.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Your boy's heading for the very top. King by 2024.

[Luke Emia]

That election map up the page even makes it look like she might lose her own seat. If ever there was something to make me vote Labour that is it.

If she manages to lose one of the safest Tory seats in the whole of the country that really would be her greatest political achievement.

[Yevrah]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY79cDI-miA

I missed that this happened yesterday. What on earth does she think she's doing?

[Jimmy Floyd]

She fancies a crack at the leadership from the right of the right. Completely insane, as not even the Tory membership are pig-headed enough to do that again.

As we've seen with other parties over the years, insulting sections of the population not a great way to gather votes.

[Ben]

Dear me.

[Yevrah]

It appears to have broken James O' Brien, he can't stop playing it. :D

[Kikó]

It's genuinely one of the cringest things I've read (outside of Taz's posts). And someone actually wrote it down.

[Boydy]

Yvette Cooper's response was quite funny.

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[Yevrah]

They need to all be dragged out of power immediately and banned from being involved in top level (rofl) politics for a long long time.

[Spikey M]

We need to be more French (a sentence I never thought I would say) and take to the streets. Ideally, Guy Fawkes the cunts.

[-james-]

Tofu rules.

[randomlegend]

Tofu rules.

Tofu is fine as a vegetarian vehicle for other flavours, but there's no world in which it "rules".

[SvN]

Is anyone watching this? She's just giving the same answer to every question.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Which is what every embattled PM does under the gun. They get away with it / PMQs is irrelevant.

[SvN]

To be fair, last time I bothered to watch, Boris was repeating that he had an oven ready Brexit deal to every question.

[Boydy]

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[Ben]

PMQs is always a joke. Occasionally under Boris it was good to watch because Starmer would get him all riled up and he would blurt out something off piste.

[Alex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY79cDI-miA

I missed that this happened yesterday. What on earth does she think she's doing?

Oh dear. :D

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Cracking intro for the Millennial Ric Flair.

[-james-]

Tofu is fine as a vegetarian vehicle for other flavours, but there's no world in which it "rules".

It's a complete protein that can be piss easy to prepare and eat with basically any meal or just as a lil #snack. I see no reason to have beef/pork/chicken over it as a "vehicle" in a lot of cases. I'm not even veggie any more and I eat about a block a day.

A place near me that does this life changing deep fried Szechuan tofu dish. Kenji does some good stuff on it if you're curious.

[-james-]

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Fucking lol at this. Sit down love.

[Ben]

:lol:

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's like watching someone drown in a bathtub of their own bodily fluids.

[niko_cee]

Personally the random musings of this Suella Braverman character have been the main highlight of this shambolic shitshow. I mean, who would want to have lived in a world without her [version of the] I Have a Dream speech?

[Magic]

She is a cunt but I'd absolutely smash her back doors in all the way to Rwanda.

[Boydy]

Why are so many of the top Asian tories of African-Asian descent?

[Boydy]

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:lol:

[Manc]

Hand the keys over and call the whole thing off.

[7om]

She is a cunt but I'd absolutely smash her back doors in all the way to Rwanda.

This is borderline shameful lustage.

[Ben]

Now Truss' special adviser has been suspended. :lol:

[Ben]

Also apparently Brady has told Truss she's already breached the traditional threshold of number of letters required for a no confidence vote (15%, which is 54 MPs, but there's reports that number is over 100). However, it's not a written rule that the vote must be called immediately, so he's waiting until they reach 50%. :lol:

[Yeldoow]

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It's just one big clown fiesta

[Ben]

I've just noticed they're holding a vote tonight on an opposition motion to lifting the ban on fracking. Guaranteed anyone who goes against or even abstains will have the whip removed so it'll be interesting to see who actually has the balls to do so as a protest against Truss. It'll only take about 20-30 to go against the whip for the motion to pass and essentially result in Labour being Government for the day, so it's highly likely they'll all fall in line and brand it a "confidence vote in Truss" so abstentions could be in the offing and really test the Chief Whip, who so far looks as useless as Truss herself.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Why the party right are so unbelievably keen on fracking (I remember hearing 'Lord Frost' incongruously tubthumping for it on the radio last year when energy wasn't even a topic) is a mystery to me, especially because it hands the Nimby Party (LDs) easy ammunition in a lot of Tory seats.

Onshore wind now ffs.

[Boydy]

Why the party right are so unbelievably keen on fracking (I remember hearing 'Lord Frost' incongruously tubthumping for it on the radio last year when energy wasn't even a topic) is a mystery to me, especially because it hands the Nimby Party (LDs) easy ammunition in a lot of Tory seats.

Onshore wind now ffs.

Presumably they're being funded by people keen on being allowed to frack.

Isn't onshore wind likely to lose them the support of NIMBYs too?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Onshore wind is hugely popular: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/apr/10/three-quarters-of-britons-back-expansion-of-wind-power-poll-reveals

I presume it's some kind of lobbying and/or corruption that makes them want to frack.

[Manc]

For frack sake.

[niko_cee]

The BBC has seen a message sent to Tory MPs - telling them: "This is a confidence motion in the government."

A number of Conservative MPs oppose fracking, but they have been told they must support the government or face being expelled from the parliamentary party.

Ms Truss's press secretary has said the prime minister would not resign even if the government loses Wednesday's vote on fracking.

That is because Labour's motion does not amount to a formal vote of no confidence in the government.

Well, which is it? [I know it can be both but come on].

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think it's just so they could remove the whip from any rebels and therefore their confidence letters wouldn't count (a pointless tactic also used in his death throes by B.Johnson).

[Pepe]

Why the party right are so unbelievably keen on fracking

Could it be so that people stop moaning about the rise in energy prices?

[Magic]

Could it be so that people stop moaning about the rise in energy prices?

It won't affect prices as it'll be sold to the private global conglomerates to sell back to us. :harold:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Braverman SACKED. niko_cee eagerly waiting by his phone for Jeremy's call.

[Boydy]

Came in here to post that.

:lol:

[Ben]

This is magic. Chalk one up for the wokerati.

[Boydy]

https://media.tenor.com/6oe8RXKHNhkAAAAd/its-all-the-drama-mick.gif

[Ian]

"Resigned" is it?

[Giggles]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY79cDI-miA

I missed that this happened yesterday. What on earth does she think she's doing?

I like her style.

[Lewis]

At least we'll have even more immigrants to go with boosting pensioner incomes now. I was worried there.

[7om]

Grant Schapps in as Home Secretary. I give him 2 weeks.

[niko_cee]

Seems a bit odd to resign over some technical error and then launch a scathing broadside resignation letter, almost as if it was all somehow contrived.

I hope Grant Shapps delivers all of his press briefings in front of a hedge.

[7om]

Seems a bit odd to resign over some technical error and then launch a scathing broadside resignation letter, almost as if it was all somehow contrived.

I hope Grant Shapps delivers all of his press briefings in front of a hedge.

https://youtu.be/WrUOELAwToo

[Lofty]

Just seen a clip of the Fylde MP saying he won't vote against fracking becauee Labour are playing politics, 'they should win a GE if they want to do that' :D

[Ben]

It's amazing how "playing politics" has become a derogatory term amongst Tories.

[Boydy]

The chief whip has resigned. :lol:

[Boydy]

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[Giggles]

Is that the Order Order lad?

[Boydy]

Is that the Order Order lad?

No, that's the speaker.

The chief whip is responsible for getting their MPs to vote along party lines.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Time for a GE. Can't wait to get the spreadsheet out.

[Ben]

Today’s events would have been an annual highlight reel back in the day.

[7om]

The Conservative party must know they’re fucked, right? The Tory MPs must be aware that their jobs are about to be lost and we may not be seeing them in power for a good while.

I don’t like the constant hyperbole we hear but this is absolutely shambolic.

[niko_cee]

2 more years on the payroll though, so it's hard to see them ever actually voting the government down. Plenty of time for Jeremy to sort everything out once they figure out how to get rid of the incumbent maniac.

[Spikey M]

Isn't this sort of thing what the House of Lords is for? Atleast in part, anyway. Why aren't they stepping in to stop the madness?

[Shindig]

Has there been a precedent for this kind of shit a minute government? I'm not used to seeing leadership contests and cabinet reshuffles three times in six months.

[Boydy]

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Deputy Chief Whip gone too. :drool:

[Lofty]

The Conservative party must know they’re fucked, right? The Tory MPs must be aware that their jobs are about to be lost and we may not be seeing them in power for a good while.

I don’t like the constant hyperbole we hear but this is absolutely shambolic.

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[Ben]

That last statement is pretty damning. Clearly he's not settling in for two more years.

[Magic]

KGM just called Steve Baker a cunt. :D

[Ben]

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Here it is. Found a nice Twitter account for Jimmy.

[niko_cee]

:D

Who's KGM?

[-james-]

Krishnan Guru Murthy? Surely he'd know better lol

[Lewis]

He should be sacked for that.

[Yevrah]

I'm sure he's got a raft of C4 red tape cutting measures to announce in a couple of weeks that'll keep him safe.

[phonics]

Imagine the free speech warrior Lewis calling for someone to be sacked for calling a spade a spade.

[Lewis]

Imagine the free speech warrior Lewis calling for someone to be sacked for calling a spade a spade.

He's meant to be an impartial broadcaster working for a publicly-owned network, the existence of which relies on at least pretending it isn't full of pinkos. If he wants to have free speech at work he can go and work for Sky or the Guardian.

[Spikey M]

Yeah, go eat Tofu, Krishnan. Anti-Growth Coalition scum

[randomlegend]

He's meant to be an impartial broadcaster working for a publicly-owned network, the existence of which relies on at least pretending it isn't full of pinkos. If he wants to have free speech at work he can go and work for Sky or the Guardian.

Imagine saying this with a straight face whilst supporting this government :D

[Jimmy Floyd]

Is calling Steve Baker a cunt biased? Maybe he just thinks he's a cunt.

[randomlegend]

If anything, anyone not calling them cunts should be getting fact checked.

[Lewis]

Imagine saying this with a straight face whilst supporting this government :D

What's that got to do with anything?

[randomlegend]

If the bar for sacking people is them doing something outside of what they are "meant to be", then every one of your heroes should've been down the dole office months ago.

[phonics]

Years.

[Lewis]

Politicians can be voted out if they don't do their jobs properly, so it's a pretty stupid comparison.

[phonics]

His employer could also choose not to have his contract renewed so that’s a stupid comparison.

[randomlegend]

Politicians can be voted out if they don't do their jobs properly, so it's a pretty stupid comparison.

Everyone could vote out the BBC by not watching it and not paying their license fee.

[Lewis]

The state reserves the right to find you up to a thousand pounds for not paying the licence fee, search your home proving their case, and potentially imprison you for not paying the thousand pound fine. Does that happen if you vote a shit government out?

[randomlegend]

Sounds like what a Tory government does to you for voting them in.

[niko_cee]

Peston just dropped the Jeremy C-Bomb.

:D

It is now the third great certainty.

[phonics]

Telling that Lewis ignored my post. On the ropes.

Also the police could do all that and more if you had a party during lockdown and then Downing Street had 12 of them and faced no actual repercussions from it. Probably labours fault.

[igor_balis]

Honestly Lewis mate I say this as someone who mostly enjoys your posts but perhaps it is time to consider ending your own life