UK General Election 2017 - 8 June

[Shindig]

I might be out of touch vis-a-vis the cost of living crisis (furniture division), and I am definitely not one of these performative northerners who complains as loudly as possible about the price of literally anything, but three grand for a mirror? lol.

Two sofas for £15k. He spends money like a genuine retard. Him and his genuinely retarded wife. And, inevitably, their genuinely retarded children.

[7om]

How many kids does he have again? 27, or something?

[Ben]

That he knows of. When you’re a serial liar and cheater I imagine it gets increasingly harder to keep track.

[Smjffy]

I long for the day proportional representation is realised.

[Lewis]

The Conservative Party would still win, it would just be in the form of a coalition between the Fair Deal for Pensioners Party (21%), Protect Our Greenspaces (18%), and the Nigel Farage Vehicle (14%). They would at least get immigration down, I suppose, so bring it on.

[Shindig]

Nigel Farage Vehicle?

https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/farageplanecrash.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=480%2C300

[Smjffy]

I'm not so sure the Conservatives would, Lewis. Not that any of the other parties are the solution of course.

[Spikey M]

They will win the next election. They are barely behind in the polls even with a hugely unpopular Boris Johnson in charge. Give them a different leader and they walk the next election.

Labour are completely impotent and the Lib Dems are a nothing party. The left is too divided, especially with the SNP taking pretty much every Scottish seat.

I don't think we'll be seeing another Labour Government for some time.

I'm not sure PR would change too much, other than more coalitions.

[Jimmy Floyd]

A lot depends on the new leader. I think Sunak is a phoney, tainted by the Boris administration, and people would see through him pretty quickly. The others would get about three months not to be totally shit.

[Ben]

Sunak surely not. He’s the one most relatable to money and they’re going to be persona non grata come October and January when the energy cap goes up twice.

Although he’ll probably just roll back the tax rise he did three months ago and the idiots will lap it up.

[Shindig]

Well, that's Wallace ruling himself out.


t appears Johnson is disappointed with the actions of his former right-hand man, with a No 10 source telling me Rishi Sunak has a "short memory".

I think he meant stature.

[Smjffy]

Grant Shapps or whatever he goes by these days throws his hat into the overcrowded ring.

Am I right in believing it'll go on and on until only two remain then its the Tory membership who decide from there?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They put them all in a HELL IN A CELL and whoever wins gets the job.

[Lofty]

Ben Wallace currently favourite to be next PM. Told ya.

Ruled himself out.

[Lofty]

Shapps and Zahawi throw their hats in the ring, how are they so deluded? Shapps will just be rinsed over his fradulent false identities and Zahawi torched his credibility by accepting Chancellor then turning on Boris immediately.

Edit: my phone somehow didn't load half the posts :moop: Smiff you are correct, apparently they are trying to get the field down to 2 by 20th July.

[Lewis]

I don't think that matters. He could just say he wanted the chance to implement a different vision, but then the next day it became clear that the party was set on doing itself in. Heating his stables on expenses seems like the better stick to beat him with, and Michael Crick seems to think he used to be a fraudster.

[Shindig]

Run for your lives. Liz Truss has thrown her oversized helmet in the ring. I hope Suella Braverman wins on the basis she has the coolest name. And the tabloids can really, really get their puns going.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think I'm becoming an anyone-but-Sunak backer.

[Don]

Hunt has a great swagger and fantastically well-proportioned features. The only one I could imagine standing a chance against Sir Keir.

[Smjffy]

I think I'm becoming an anyone-but-Sunak backer.

Me too and not just because of the campaign stuff. He's just bad news all over even without the experience I had.

All the leadership race is highlighting though is the lack of talent/competency within the Tory party and (not that we never knew), just how rogue they all are. Priti will of course announce herself tomorrow no doubt.

[Lewis]

I am #BackingBadenoch. I saw an African woman at London Zoo absolutely smack her roaring kid's face off his skull, and the country needs that sort of approach.

[Smjffy]

Michael Gove just came out and backed her too. I don't really care who it is, Conservatives won't change their spots. Hell, I'd vote for them if they were a competent government/party but they aren't. Boris being a classic example, I don't want charismatic, I want competence. I don't need to agree with all policies, I just need to see they serve a purpose for the wider majority. I hope a GE isn't called too soon because I'd still feel every bit as homeless politically as I did before the recent dramas/scandals. None of them really speak my language and the experience I had campaigning merely showed me how murky and shifty most of them are and dealing with the media as much as I did opened my eyes up big time.

In short: This country is fucked, it's just a question of how rough that fucking will be and how long until it says stop.

[Spikey M]

Which party is competent? They're all the same cut of Boarding School Cunt.

[Shindig]

I'd argue that's more because the working class barely gets into politics.

[Don]

https://metro.co.uk/2022/07/10/rishi-sunak-says-he-has-no-working-class-friends-in-unearthed-clip-16975591/

Poor daddy's smile ruining his son's dreams.

Would also add Tugendhat to my earliest post, him and Hunt have good aesthetics.

[Spikey M]

I'd argue that's more because the working class barely gets into politics.

They do, they just rarely make it beyond being plebby councillors and the few that manage to become MP's stay disgruntled back benchers.

[Spikey M]

https://metro.co.uk/2022/07/10/rishi-sunak-says-he-has-no-working-class-friends-in-unearthed-clip-16975591/

Poor daddy's smile ruining his son's dreams.

Would also add Tugendhat to my earliest post, him and Hunt have good aesthetics.

We can't have a PM called Tug End Hat ffs.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Tugendhat is right up my alley but no way the membership could stomach him. Also loves war which is unlikely to be popular.

This trend for billions of candidates is a modern thing isn't it? Delusional fucks abound. In the good old days it was just Ken Clarke + 2 people who it was accepted could beat Ken Clarke.

[Boydy]

How long is this going to take to get down to two? They do rounds and eliminate the lowest one each time, don't they?

[Ben]

About two days after Boris’ Chequers bash I reckon.

[Spikey M]

I can live with whatever piece of shit they decide on as long as it isn't Liz Truss.

[randomlegend]

There's a slim chance Liz Truss is the reason the wife's passport arrived on time so Liz for PM.

[Ben]

Liz is quite a dangerous option so no doubt it’ll be her. Sunak seems risky from a Tory self-preservation perspective given the economic stink he’ll carry (which will only get worse in the short term) but I guess we’ll find out how much sway his rich pals carry. Also having a proper manlet as leader never ends well.

[Luke Emia]

I can see it being Truss if she gets in front of the membership. But, she is an absolute air-head with no substance whatsoever. To me the most sensible would be Javid or Hunt but I think both of them are unlikely.

[randomlegend]

I can't get my head around Hunt.

When he was health secretary he came across in every single interview like he was a complete moron. Not like "I disagree with youtherefore you're stupid" but genuinely just thick as fuck. Like he couldn't get his head around basic concepts or lines of questioning. I came to the conclusion he was just the only guy willing to be the face of/fall guy for the junior doctor contract and was just a puppet.

But since then, every time I've heard him interviewed on other issues he's come across really quite sensible and eloquent. I've found myself agreeing with him a lot of the time, but even where I don't I can still respect his arguments generally.

[Spikey M]

I can't get my head around Hunt.

When he was health secretary I he came across in every single interview like he was a complete moron. Not like "I disagree with your therefore you're stupid" but genuinely just thick as fuck. I came to the conclusion he was just the only guy willing to be the face of/fall guy for the junior doctor contract and was just a puppet.

But since then, every time I've heard him interviewed on other issues he's come across really quite sensible and eloquent. I've found myself agreeing with him a lot of the time.

A believer in Homeopathy as Health Secretary was propperly lol.

[randomlegend]

A believer in Homeopathy as Health Secretary was propperly lol.

I don't think he genuinely believes in it, I think he is just turbo-whipped by his wife.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He spends all his time going on about how we should be more like the Chinese (especially in terms of work ethic / productivity etc). Not going to happen, Jez.

[Spikey M]

I don't think he genuinely believes in it, I think he is just turbo-whipped by his wife.


He spends all his time going on about how we should be more like the Chinese

He's probably drinking tigers piss from an ivory cup as we speak.

[Lofty]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jul/12/mps-approve-controversial-plans-to-let-agency-workers-cover-for-striking-staff

Given the length of time it takes to train drivers I am watching this with interest, just another episode of 'politicians dont understand how the railway actually works'.

https://i.ibb.co/jg8WZ77/OOGndOM.jpg

[7om]

Why does his logo say tit

[Lofty]

The same reason they don't make The Thick of It anymore, we live it now.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Someone photoshopped the middle 'I' in. I'm more worried about 'a clean start', makes it sound like he's just finished washing the blood off his clothes.

[Lewis]

His 'clean start' is getting us nuked.

[Yevrah]

Won’t Truss be doing that?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Truss is cosplaying as Thatcher (and it sounds like Rees-Mogg is committing the necessary onanistic sins in response).

Mordaunt to win I think.

[Ben]

Is Mordaunt winning this purely because the money men are also pervs? She’s an absolute nobody politically.

[Lofty]

Is Mordaunt winning this purely because the money men are also pervs? She’s an absolute nobody politically.

Just like John Major. Small c Conservative who is a Brexiter fairly removed from all the scandal and failures of the current cabinet.

[Spikey M]

I don't think I've even heard of Mordaunt, which is probably a positive sign in the current climate.

[Ian]

Penny Phwoardaunt more like. Probably.

[Lofty]

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[Boydy]

Tweets have been disabled at the minute. Post the link.

[Lewis]

Badenoch or Bust (literally). :cool:

[Ben]

Have the Tories ever had such a weak and all-round uninspiring list of contenders?

[Lewis]

All of the other times?

[Ben]

I dunno. All the previous ones have had some sort of prodigy or new hope (eg. Dave, Boris) or at least a load of seasoned veterans.

This one has Hunt who probably has no hope and Sunak who has the stink of being in charge of a stagflating economy; the rest of them are either genuinely idiotic or nothingness.

I suppose this is better than the unopposed Michael Howard contest but that’s not a high bar. Labour calling a no confidence vote will be fun; the Tories aren’t going to go for it because they’ll get steamrollered in a GE so lets see how the Tory papers spin them propping up the guy they conspired to oust just a week ago.

[Shindig]

Boris isn't a prodigy. He's a savant.

[Ben]

That’s why I slid new hope in there, which he certainly was. He took them from floundering to smashing the “Red Wall” in no time at all. Obviously he’s a blustering charlatan but he made the right noises at the time, which I guess is what I’m getting at here in that the current contest doesn’t seem to be.

[Lewis]

1965 was the missed opportunity.

[Waffdon]

Lewis doesn’t come across as the type to vote for a party with a hobbit as their leader. I’m expecting a change of allegiance soon.

[Lofty]

Noticed pensioners moaning Sunak robbed their pensions so he's doomed in a GE if that is their groupthink.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think Sunak will lose the run-off, whether it's Mordaunt or Truss.

He might beat Tugendhat or might not.

[Smjffy]

From what I gather the MP's will vote Sunak but if/when it goes to the Tory membership, he has little chance hence trying to fix it so he's up against someone like Hunt.

[Yevrah]

Did I hear correctly that Zahawi was recommending Boris for a role in the cabinet?

Is he trying to lose?

[Manc]

TTH meet on September 6th.

[7om]

If i was there I think I’d vote Mordaunt. She’s the only one who isn’t either mental or robotic. The likes of Truss and Sunak are dead behind the eyes, like they’re reading from a script. Mordaunt at least sounds human.

[Lewis]

Theresa May 2.0.

[Lofty]

Did I hear correctly that Zahawi was recommending Boris for a role in the cabinet?

Is he trying to lose?

Has anyone ever appointed an ex-PM in their cabinet?

[Disco]

Hague was Foreign Sec. for Cameron was he not?

[Lewis]

The last one was Alex Douglas-Home, who was Foreign Secretary under Ted Heath, and Arthur Balfour came back as Foreign Secretary in the First World War coalition. It was presumably a bit more common before that but no idea without looking.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'd make him Health Secretary, then sit back and lol at my twitter feed for the next six months.

[Boydy]

Make him SoS for NI so he has to deal with all the NI Protocol fallout.

[Yevrah]

Having seen the result at 5 I guess Zahawi knew he was going out this morning and torched his bid to keep favour with Johnson. He’s such a snake.

[7om]

Shocked that Hunt only got 18 votes when you’ve got complete morons like Braverman through to the next round.

[niko_cee]

The wait goes on for Prime Minister Hunt.

:(

Considering how much of a barrel scraping exercise this is I have my doubts that I'll ever see the day.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He's a bit Olympiakos. Always in the hat but rarely a serious factor.

[Smjffy]

He’s such a snake.

A shifty snake with a dodgy background.

It speaks volumes that you'd have to highlight that you're referring to Zahawai given the statement above could be attached to pretty much every single one of them.

I'm no Tory and they are a huge problem but Labour and the like aren't the solution either so we're all pretty much fucked I reckon.

[Lewis]

Kemi 'Nigerian Badass' Badenoch will be the leader of the Conservative Party in 2025. It's just whether they want to lose an election first.

[Smjffy]

If/when they lose the next election, I'm pretty sure they'll not be winning one for a fair while no matter who the leader is.

[Shindig]

Nah. That requires Labour to get their shit together AND keep it together for a term of government.

[Smjffy]

I'm not so sure. I won't pretend to know or have a clue but I suspect that a huge amount of voters whether left/right/whatever just won't forget about the things this current government and by default Conservative party has done. I spoke with a number of lifelong Tories back when I did the campaigning stuff who'd never go back to them, people who lost loved ones won't forget the scandals, people who are on the breadline won't forget the cost of living currently, a situation that's going to explode massively in the near future too. I don't think enough people actually realise that the shit hasn't hit the fan yet in that respect.

[Lewis]

Forty thousand '[Bad]Enoch was Right' badges on their way for when the country collapses.

[Shindig]

"I was gonna vote Labour but then I remembered he made Jimmy Saville happen."

[Spikey M]

I'm not so sure. I won't pretend to know or have a clue but I suspect that a huge amount of voters whether left/right/whatever just won't forget about the things this current government and by default Conservative party has done. I spoke with a number of lifelong Tories back when I did the campaigning stuff who'd never go back to them, people who lost loved ones won't forget the scandals, people who are on the breadline won't forget the cost of living currently, a situation that's going to explode massively in the near future too. I don't think enough people actually realise that the shit hasn't hit the fan yet in that respect.

It doesn't really matter how bad the Tories are. The SNP are taking up pretty much all of Labour's traditional seats north of the border and that will continue until they get given a referendum, which the Tories are double-insentivised to deny them.

Then there's the left being divided amongst Labour and the Greens, and the Centre left Labour voters rushing to the Lib Dems.

Unless Labour get their shit together and find a new - and un-war crime blemished - Tony Blair type down the back of the Sofa, they aren't getting anywhere near government.

Even in Boris Johnsons dying days Starmer was only something like 5% ahead of him in the approval ratings.

[Lofty]

Corbyn forced May into bed with the DUP despite the SNP problem but he was the shittest leader Labour ever had apparently :moop:

[Lewis]

Then what happened?

[7om]

Brexit Britain happened.

[Ben]

Everything is Corbyn’s fault.

[Shindig]

"Marty, we have to go back in time and hire the other Miliband."

[Ben]

Or just take the bacon sandwich off Ed.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Corbyn/left wing fans have such selective memories. Not only is he the worst leader they have ever had, he is also the worst leader they could ever conceivably have. He managed to plunge below Michael Foot's seat total even with a Brexit divide magically opening up all the university towns for him.

[Shindig]

Half of students don't vote.

[Spikey M]

Half of students don't vote.

They managed to get Nicky Cleggers into a Coalition government. Students vote en masse when you get them going.

[Ben]

I think the situation has a lot to do with it. Obviously his reaction to Salisbury tanked his popularity (he was polling absolutely fine until then) but reverse roles where Corbyn is the pro-Brexit guy and the Tories are peddling Remain (like their ideologies would have dictated) then we’d have had a different outcome in 2017. The media were absolutely shitting it at the prospect; who can forget this gem of a smear attempt:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/02/tie-mark-ambition-jeremy-corbyn-alarmed-wearing-one-showed-craved/

Corbyn only became “the worst ever” after he doubled down in the later stages of his leadership but the alternative (and most logical) timeline would have avoided that entirely.

[Lofty]

Corbyn/left wing fans have such selective memories. Not only is he the worst leader they have ever had, he is also the worst leader they could ever conceivably have. He managed to plunge below Michael Foot's seat total even with a Brexit divide magically opening up all the university towns for him.

Wait til you see what Starmer returns with the SNP sweeping Scotland and a presumably none moron Tory PM.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Starmer will do much better than Corbyn, he doesn't actively scare away anyone who isn't a true believer. That's what Jez did. He also boosted the Tory vote in places like where I live as people who might otherwise have voted Lib Dem were scared that they would do a deal with Corbyn's Labour. LDs doing a deal with Starmer's Labour is a much more benign prospect.

I have no idea what drives votes in Scotland and I'm not sure they do either.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Half of students don't vote.

They've held Canterbury since 2017 which is mental. Even Blair in '97 didn't win that, though he did win in hundreds of other seats where Labour are now dead for various reasons.

[Lewis]

Ed Miliband was a worse leader than Corbyn, who was ultimately just killed by Brexit and having to keep his unique coalition of cathedral city millionaires and retards together. Miliband did nothing for five years.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He came up with the energy price cap, a truly visionary idea.

[Lofty]

He offered Austerity Lite which was pointless, if you are in favour of Austerity why would you vote for a half measure.

[Lewis]

Didn't he coin (or at least popularise) 'cost of living crisis'? That and the 'squeezed middle'. Fortunately Nick Clegg came along with 'alarm clock Britain' and then we could all just lol and ignore stagnation again.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Alarm Clock Britain might be in the all time worst soundbites, along with D-Cam's 'Hug a Hoodie'.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Sunak 101
Mordaunt 83
Truss 64
Badenoch 49
Tugendhat 32
Braverman 27 (eliminated)

I see the knobheads are trying to swing behind Truss. Got to expect blood sport as they desperately try and get her through to the run off above Penny, today has been a sea of wall to wall Penny bashing.

[Ben]

Well at least Braverman is out early doors, the fucking nutter.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Tug all the way.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Not much more of the way, he's going out next. Penny will need his backers to see off the right wing surge.

[Ben]

So who’s left and who’s right here?

Which is weird anyway, because they’re all right, but whatever.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The ERG (right of the right) are trying to push Truss; Badenoch is also seen on that ground, as was Braverman. Sunak and Mordaunt supposedly more towards the big government centre, Tugendhat very much of the liberal centre.

[Ben]

Cool. Seems I’m one of those thirsty men on Team Penny then, because fuck having a manlet or one of Boris’ side acts as PM.

[Lewis]

The Bravemaniacs should declare for her fella woman of colour and hope to pinch more momentum in the debates (which will be terrible). In the event that we end up with the shitheads going to the final three, I would take the awful Liz Truss and Taz a distant second. Mordaunt nowhere.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I don't see why Jacob et al wouldn't back Badenoch over Truss. The latter is demonstrably useless and a continuation of the previous regime, whereas Badenoch should at least get a honeymoon period (while Labour work out how to talk trash to a black woman) to get her through to inflation slowing down next year.

[Lewis]

The appeal of Truss is that, just as she has misinterpreted Thatcherism, she will feel the need to be as right-wing as possible on everything so people forget that she used to be anything but. 'Rishi' would merely preside over the fantasy George Osborne ministry we never got in 2016, and Mordaunt is a Liberal Democrat.

[Shindig]

She was named after HMS Penelope – the first cruiser to be able to perform a complete about turn in her own length – a manoeuvre she once joked she hoped she'd never have to deploy in her political life.

Never name your kids after a boat.

[Spikey M]

Primeminister Boaty McBoat Face.

[Magic]

The appeal of Truss is that, just as she has misinterpreted Thatcherism, she will feel the need to be as right-wing as possible on everything so people forget that she used to be anything but. 'Rishi' would merely preside over the fantasy George Osborne ministry we never got in 2016, and Mordaunt is a Liberal Democrat.

Apparently she's a trojan horse? Mordy, that is.

[Shindig]

Trojan boat.

[Lofty]

Apparently she's a trojan horse? Mordy, that is.

She wrote a book with a foreword by Bill Gates that Toby Young and his cueball paedo commentariat were slating on twitter as being a Lib Dem manifesto.

[Magic]

Ah gotcha. So she's still a super right wing psychopath.

[Jimmy Floyd]

That lot (the Toby Young crew) have diseased brains. I'm not even sure what's brought it on, as they're all doing quite well in life.

[Lofty]

https://twitter.com/ronanburtenshaw/status/1547625321398013957?t=-8BTzJdRMoqbgPp2WxtX8A&s=19

[Ben]

Ready for the “Yeah buts…”

[Yevrah]

He seems strong, although loses points for using "cost of living crisis".

[Jimmy Floyd]

The appeal of Truss is that, just as she has misinterpreted Thatcherism, she will feel the need to be as right-wing as possible on everything so people forget that she used to be anything but. 'Rishi' would merely preside over the fantasy George Osborne ministry we never got in 2016, and Mordaunt is a Liberal Democrat.

She's been tripped up on that today. Claims to have been brought up 'a traditional conservative' when she also claimed in previous interviews to have had lefty parents.

Should be the end of her challenge but who knows in this day and age.

[Luke Emia]

Everytime I hear her speak I think more and more that she has a touch of the May about her. This is beside the fact that I think she is massively incompetent, I checked the other day and even if everyone who voted Lib/Lab in my area tactically voted she'd still comfortably win so I think unless she wins this and then tanks I'm stuck with her as my MP for a very long time.

[Boydy]

She looks like she has foetal alcohol syndrome.

https://i.imgur.com/suHLotG.png
I can't stop thinking of this every time I see her now.

[randomlegend]

I can't stop thinking of this every time I see her now.

You're welcome.

[Lewis]

Truss is crap at this, but she only really has to beat Mordaunt who is even worse.

[Lewis]

Sunak is doing better than I expected, standing in the middle like the big man as well.

[Spikey M]

https://www.ikea.com/gb/en/images/products/trogen-childrens-step-stool-yellow__0977392_pe813560_s5.jpg?f=s

[Boydy]

Tugendhat actually seems like someone I could respect. Disagree with obviously, but respect.

[Lewis]

Why wouldn't Badenoch just pay for private dental work if she needs it? Freeloading immigrant.

[Ben]

A manlet standing tall amongst the rest of them. A perfect metaphor for the Conservative Party.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If Truss wins they will get wiped out even by Starmer. I hope they know that (they don't).

[Luke Emia]

If Truss wins they will get wiped out even by Starmer. I hope they know that (they don't).

Hopefully so. 14/15 years of one party is too long and the last 6 years post Brexit have been fucking disastrous for them as a party.

I keep seeing t suggested that their are big benefits to not being in the EU. Fine show me what they fucking are because at the minute it’s been 2.5 years and I don’t see any and all that’s been achieved is pissing off top Ireland.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Vaccine procurement was an obvious one. It's a good example of how, if you have smart people making the decisions, you can be more nimble outside bloated institutions than inside them.

[Luke Emia]

Vaccine procurement was an obvious one. It's a good example of how, if you have smart people making the decisions, you can be more nimble outside bloated institutions than inside them.

Problem is we haven’t had anyone remotely competent in charge. I will always say although I didn’t vote for it handled well Brexit could be a good thing. But at the minute it’s being handled by fucking idiots.

[Lewis]

We could still have done our own vaccine procurement within the European Union, but obviously we wouldn't have.

'Look, what we're saying is that, yes, of course we could have devised our own vaccination policies and potentially saved more lives; but with our European friends and allies we stand a much better...'
*doing that weird thumb on the index finger gesture*

[Spikey M]

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:lol:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Everything about her and the way key 'figures of the right' (including the laughable Frost) are pushing her is a bit sinister.

[Lofty]

If Truss wins we'll all be dead or reenacting Threads by Christmas.

[Ben]

Boris giving it the “lefties” and “deep state” nonsense in the Commons tonight. British politics takes another lurch into the gutters. :facepalm:

[Don]

The only respectable 2 candidates gone (both of a certain demographic) to leave Rishi, Kemi and 2 power sisters. It's like the John Lewis xmas adverts, shoving it in our faces :sick:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Tug has been toppled :(

[-james-]

Looks like it's a toss-up between Truss and Sunak.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm gutted I didn't pile into Liz yesterday, she will win easily with the Marks & Spencer cardigan crowd.

[Spikey M]

The economy destroying Manlet or the war hawk Thatcher Cosplay. What a sad state of affairs.

[Lewis]

I saw a picture of Starmer the other day wearing a polo shirt, and he didn't even fill the sleeves. What a parade of weaklings.

[Lewis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUzUbtIptqQ

[Spikey M]

Who's topbod in the Army these days (below Royalty)? A Coup would come in handy right now.

[Shindig]

Looks like it's a toss-up between Truss and Sunak.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmR8fzQjuD8

Bugger.

[Boydy]

Sunak v Truss then.

It's gonna be fucking Liz Truss, isn't it?

[Spikey M]

Would actually rather we stuck with Johnson.

[Ben]

How can they get rid of Boris Johnson and the country will be worse off for it? Only the fucking Conservative Party.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Can confirm I am now no longer 'anyone but Rishi'.

[Yevrah]

Liz Truss is a terrifying prospect.

I'm all for bringing it to Russia to cut short this shambles, but at least I understand the very real risk in doing that. That our potential future PM didn't seem to is more than worrying.

[Lofty]

We can have a game of werewolf ready to go so we have something to pass the time when we're sitting in the trenches.

[7om]

Can someone try to explain what the tories are thinking here? They’ve been given a golden opportunity to turn the party away from the negative connotations generated over the last three years and they end up with the final two candidates who were closely aligned to Johnson.

Are they mental, or are we missing something? If Labour don’t win in 2024, they need putting in the bin forever.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's because (as they showed many times) they didn't really want to get rid of Boris, but were left with no option.

Truss absolutely can't win an election, she's too thick. Sunak... dunno.

[Ian]

How can they get rid of Boris Johnson and the country will be worse off for it? Only the fucking Conservative Party.

It's literally the only thing they're good at.

[Lewis]

It's because (as they showed many times) they didn't really want to get rid of Boris, but were left with no option.

Truss absolutely can't win an election, she's too thick. Sunak... dunno.

I'm trying to convince myself that Sunak, being a clever man, could be quite a good Prime Minister with the right people around him. What I think I mean is we need a Dominic Cummings comeback.

[Jimmy Floyd]

With hardly any time to govern, it's about the way they will pitch against Starmer. Sunak, against Starmer, could well look like the cannier/less naive of two serious and awkward men. Truss against Starmer will just look like a complete clown and lose 150 seats.

[Lewis]

I think if they sort the migrants and the protocol (in such a way that it constantly has to be 'saved') then they can win again, since the adverts write themselves. If they can't mobilise the Brexit vote then no chance, although a 2017 scenario still seems more likely than an outright Labour victory.

[Cord]

Day one of any Sunak premiership Labour should be sending Ed Miliband out to peanut Rishi's tie in the Commons corridor. He'd be finished instantly.

Sunak would win the next election. Too much of England defaults to voting Tory and really, really needs to be pushed away to consider going anywhere else. Truss might be enough of a braindead headbanger to carry on doing that. Sunak just needs to come up with a good line to deflect remarks about his wife's taxes and to avoid standing next to any particularly hench little girls and he'll be vanilla enough to get the result.

[Don]

Brexit Britain ain't voting for a "Rishi" ffs, can you imagine the onion bhaji jokes everyone is unleashing as they sip on their San Miguels? No one wants to be associated with that midget.

[Spikey M]

With hardly any time to govern, it's about the way they will pitch against Starmer. Sunak, against Starmer, could well look like the cannier/less naive of two serious and awkward men. Truss against Starmer will just look like a complete clown and lose 150 seats.

We'd be drowning in Russian Warheads long before it got to that.

Or enjoying 3 day weeks with rolling blackouts in which every Labour voter starves to death.

Or she'd be too busy trying to reopen all the mines so she can shut them down again.

I'm convinced it will be Cosplay Thatcher. My bastardised and misused version of Maximum Pain Theory dictates that it has to be her.

[Shindig]

"It'll be just like the Falklands."

[Lewis]

Truss shitting on the Treasury is good as long as it leads her to conclude that the problem is nobody being allowed to build anything anymore. If it's just reeeeee tax cuts then maybe not.

[Spikey M]

I have enjoyed every economist in the country saying "it would just make inflation worse" and her just giving it the big "nah mate".

The woman is a retard.

[Ben]

Truss is making the same economic noises as Corbyn, but as she’s being endorsed by the Times and Telegraph, they’ll just gloss over that one.

[Lewis]

1549844261235036160

Taz in the mirror when he rattles Randrew again.

[randomlegend]

When he thinks he's rattled me.

[7om]

On the ropes.

[Boydy]

Truss is making the same economic noises as Corbyn, but as she’s being endorsed by the Times and Telegraph, they’ll just gloss over that one.

She what now.

[Don]

https://youtu.be/pLOEwXHP8HI

Very odd looking girl.

[Lewis]

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Also seems to have been a committed Blairite at one stage.

[Lofty]

She is almost as much of a shagger as Boris, too.

[Shindig]

Oh, she's one of those, "If you don't vote ..." types.

[Spikey M]

If we had PR - or any other actual democratic
voting system - she might have a point, but under the current system the Tories win in my area no matter what, so it's a complete waste of time. I still turn up and vote though. Just for shits and giggles.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'd have said the same all my life, but now the Lib Dems are poised to take it. Be the change you want to see in the world (preferably not a change to the Lib Dems, mind).

[Ben]

Even the Lib Dems are an improvement on these chancers.

[Spikey M]

They managed to get into government once and immediately shat on their main support base (wanky students). The Lib Dems can fuck off.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The ponce part of me always wants to think that, but then you see them actually campaigning on the ground when they get a sniff in your local area and they are the fucking worst people. At least the Tories and Labour stand for something. The Lib Dems are horrible self-righteous snakes who will just shapeshift in order to get elected in the given seat. Their sudden transformation into the biggest NIMBY anti-housebuilding cunts going, when they got a sniff of winning in some well-to-do Tory seats, was utterly shameless.

[Ben]

And yet they’re still better. We’re not talking about traditional Conservatives, the country is being held to ransom by a gaggle of bottom feeders backed up by the 2019 Brexit Red Wallers who will sell their mothers to get themselves a second term. The half decent ones have long since been purged.

[Lewis]

I'm sure you have the 'traditional Conservatives' and 'half decent ones' a fair shake when they were in office.

[Spikey M]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/9467/production/_126019973_oddsbbc.png

Welp.

[Don]

I missed the others (as I'm guessing they were on ITV/C4) so looking forward to tonight'a cringefest on BBC.

[Shindig]

If only there was some way they could both lose.

[Lofty]

If only there was some way they could both lose.

There is. (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/25/boris-johnson-tells-friend-dont-want-resign-will-stay-tory-members/)

[Lewis]

I've just realised that he sounds like Ed Miliband.

[Lewis]

He is killing her here, but she said 'declinist' and 'lol Gordon Brown', so actually she's winning.

[Lewis]

It's just this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAUcyfKESts) on every answer. He'll be wobbling his head in her face in a minute.

[Manc]

Chris Mason should be pulled off air permanently for that question.

[Ben]

Mini Ed Miliband vs. Wish Maggie Thatcher

This will be a shocker, no doubt with a Boris run-in at some point.

[Lewis]

They need to stop saying 'beat Keir Starmer' like he's a serious person.

[Shindig]

Is Vince McMahon eligible?

[Lewis]

I can't believe there isn't a 'Boris Johnson titantron' out there. Stone Cold's theme, him laying that kid/German out, waving that packet of kippers around... It writes itself.

[Lewis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31S_rHBMv10

Hold the phone. 'Jack Swagger' would be a good alias for him.

[Shindig]

Union Jack Swagger. :dc:

[Boydy]

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Looooool

[Shindig]

How bad does it need to get for you to leave the Party, dear?

[Spikey M]

Everything is about Hillsborough to these twats.

[Manc]

It's the culture. Hopefully there's a generation coming through who couldn't give two shits.

[Lewis]

Performative Scouseness is even worse than its Scottish equivalent, and the sooner those two UFC fighters get flattened the better.

'You alright mate?'
'Yeah sound me lad Scouser aren't I werkin' class boss me lad Liverpool gotta make you laugh we don't like Tories Liverpool aren't we son...'

[Boydy]

Should've guessed the response here.

[Shindig]

I missed the debate. Did anything good happen?

Oh. :D

[Jimmy Floyd]

We're into silly season and although I'm still waiting for my August animal-related extravaganza (a worthy successor to Geronimo and Dog Man), here is the apex version of my favourite genre of Guardian bollocks that is 2012 Olympics nostalgia: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/27/culture-war-2012-olympic-opening-ceremony


It is often said (and I suppose I used to say it myself) that what Britain needs now is a post-imperial narrative as confident as that of the 2012 Olympics opening ceremony. But it’s too easy to look back on that time as somehow antediluvian: as a gilded moment before the traumas of the Scottish and Brexit referendums; before JK Rowling (who read that night from Peter Pan) became divisive; before the lurch to the right of the Conservatives.

Before you lot got found out as a load of having-your-cake-and-eating-it bourgeois pricks, you mean.

[Lofty]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62325842.amp

Counterproductive.

[Shindig]

I just want a good Labour leader to come along. :( We used to have them, I swear.

[Ben]

He's so desperate to prove he's not Corbyn but is looking a right mess doing it.

[igor_balis]

Should've guessed the response here.

:D I mean yeah, this is why you need a painfully lefty forum to post on as well, like I do with cookdandbombd (hi Dark Soldier), go there when people lol at your Scouse socialist shit, come back on here when the comedy nerds cancel you for getting annoyed with BBC sport when they post headlines like "man city sign person you've never heard of" and you have to click onto the article to see it's the women's side

[igor_balis]

He's so desperate to prove he's not Corbyn but is looking a right mess doing it.

Exactly, I think it might have been JIM who made this point, but it's like they're trying to replicate new labours third way centrist shit, but forgetting Blair had a lot of charisma and shit. This lot think just choosing to basically have no stance on anything is the way to win over middle England, forgetting that New Labour actually had policies and stances. I guess it could still work if the Tories nuke their own popularity enough, but it's a risky strategy, especially for getting more than one term.

It was a while ago now, but I remember some dumbass shadow junior minister going on the telly during the debate about whether to send the kids back to school and she just refused to give an answer either way. "Would Labour send the kids back to school or not?" ".......well, the dangerous Tory policies of..." Fffffs

[Lewis]

We're into silly season and although I'm still waiting for my August animal-related extravaganza (a worthy successor to Geronimo and Dog Man), here is the apex version of my favourite genre of Guardian bollocks that is 2012 Olympics nostalgia: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jul/27/culture-war-2012-olympic-opening-ceremony

Before you lot got found out as a load of having-your-cake-and-eating-it bourgeois pricks, you mean.

That last line tells you all you need to know. These people moaned like shit about austerity ('austerity') at the time, but they would take decades of it in a heartbeat to reverse the referendum.

[Lofty]

Truss's coached voice is so irritating.

[Luke Emia]

Truss's coached voice is so irritating.

When she speaks it’s almost as if she needs to think before every word she says.

[Waffdon]

G’wan, Lizzie. Give it your all.

[Ben]

The first iteration of Thatcher was bad enough.

But she'll claim the energy cap freeze as her own and ride on that for a while.

[Ian]

To be fair she's got it easy now Boris has fixed the energy cost crisis with his "buy a £20 kettle" solution.

[Ben]

It fooled my mother-in-law, who despite not being too bright, surely won't be the only person to have fallen for that. Thankfully we nipped it in the bud before she made it down to Argos.

[Yevrah]

I'd missed that. :D

He's got to be doing it deliberately now, the absolute shambles.

[Kikó]

The quote seemed pretty ok in the full context.

"and yes nuclear always looks - when you begin, it always looks relatively expensive to build and to run but look at what is happening today, look at the results of Putin's war it is certainly cheap by comparison with hydrocarbons today in fact if Hinkley Point C were already running already this year it's been delayed for ages and ages of course it would be cutting fuel bills by £3 bn say that again -if Hinkley Point C were running now, it would be cutting fuel bills by £3 bn
So you have to look ahead And you have to beware of the false economy If you have an old kettle that takes ages to boil, it may cost you £20 to replace it But if you get a new one you will save ten pounds a year every year on your electricity bill"

[Lewis]

He was making a crap analogy about investing in nuclear power to save money in the long run, which all of the internet people who get very angry about him being dishonest dishonestly clipped out of context and memed into his apparent solution to increased household bills.

[Yevrah]

Congrats to those that did that then. What a bunch of tools.

Good to see Ian and Ben were lapping it up too.

As for nuclear, it seems like the solution to everything. It's madness we're not all over it.

[Kikó]

It's hugely expensive and takes a very long time to build with a difficulty in getting rid of the nuclear waste.

[Ben]

But it pays back in the long run because the cost of the fuel is minimal, as opposed to, you know, gas.

[Yevrah]

Can we not just fire the waste into space?

[Kikó]

Not great if the rocket blows up.

[Yevrah]

Fair point. :D

[Jimmy Floyd]

He was making a crap analogy about investing in nuclear power to save money in the long run, which all of the internet people who get very angry about him being dishonest dishonestly clipped out of context and memed into his apparent solution to increased household bills.

I've concluded that they're not actually angry about his many faults, they're just angry that he doesn't agree with them.

Missing him already tbh.

[Lewis]

Nuclear is expensive because we've never scaled it, like having to buy everything in (including the tin at this point) just to make one cake. As for the waste, the vast majority of it just gets landfilled (https://www.google.com/maps/@54.3798676,-3.4577631,1737m/data=!3m1!1e3), and the small amount of dangerous filth is easily secured and stored. The issue is having to do so over the very, very, very, very long-term, which is where burying it comes in. That is the solution, and would be perfectly fine; but people even moan about that because what if humanity regresses to the point where we forget what it is and start digging it up seven thousand years from now? We are therefore bookended by not wanting to build Sizewell C because it won't work for ten years, but also fretting about health and safety on the Planet of the Apes.

[Lewis]

I've concluded that they're not actually angry about his many faults, they're just angry that he doesn't agree with them.

Missing him already tbh.

The 'Boris Johnson had his faults but...' pieces are being drafted as we speak.

[Spikey M]

Well fair play to them for somehow picking a bigger cunt than the outgoing one. Outstanding work. Liz fucking Truss. Jesus.

[Ian]

To be fair given I only reference it to shitpost on here I'm happy to take "Boris Johnson is a cretin" at face value rather than spend more time reading things he's said only for it to 99% of the time turn out he was in fact being a cretin.

If he was actually making a salient point about something then congratulations to him, he got at least one chalked up before he left for the after dinner circuit.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I don't think it was a salient point, it just wasn't the laughable dreck that people were saying it was.

Much like the Michael Gove 'had enough of experts' quote.

[Ian]

I don't think it was a salient point, it just wasn't the laughable dreck that people were saying it was.

Well I'm happy to extend him my congratulations for that as well. Rare ground for him either way.

On Truss, was the vote expected to be as close as that?

[Ben]

I only just checked now you said it. I guessed it was going to be about 70-30. Voters probably started to get cold feet when they realised she would have to do something important straight off the bat. Luckily, all these plans that she will announce imminently have been drawn up for a couple of months now.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Quite a lot of the Tory membership aren't unbelievable morons (despite what you may read) so Sunak will have attracted a fair bit of support. However, I think he comes across a bit corporate America which is massively off-putting for certain demographics (see also Barack Obama tanking Remain's chances).

A Tory leader should never say things like 'Yeah, guys'. Even David Cameron wouldn't have said that at his fakest.

[Shindig]

The BBC mentioning valid votes implies there's possibly a sizeable amount of ballot spoiling. Then again, that could just be the BBC being shithouses.

EDIT: Patel resigns. Probably off to work with Rwanda's tourist board.

[Lofty]

Truss banging on about Putin, should we have a TTH Death Pool when we are conscripted?

[Disco]

Nuclear has been the best option for the last thirty years, it's cheaper, cleaner, and less impactful than any of the viable alternatives. Shame the uranium mining lobby was less effective than it's oil/gas counterparts.

[Shindig]

If only the yanks dropped a big petrol bomb on Nagasaki.

[Disco]

They spent most of 1945 doing exactly that.

[Shindig]

TNT is not petrol.

[Disco]

Neither is thermite or magnesium if were going to get technical. They'd already burnt most of the country to the ground is the point.

[Giggles]

As well they should have.

[Shindig]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ9pOIaeufQ

[Spikey M]

If only the yanks dropped a big petrol bomb on Nagasaki.

It's Chernobyl (and to a lesser extent Fukushima) that cause everyone to shit their pants, which is annoying, because modern Nuclear power is world's away from Chernobyl and we are pretty safe from tsunamis and monster earthquakes.

[Shindig]

True. There's a lot less room for some gimp in the control room to go solo. Still room for a cover-up, though. :uhoh: Storage is still a problem but the Earth is deep. Then you've just got to worry about dickheads digging it up.

[Lofty]

It's Chernobyl (and to a lesser extent Fukushima) that cause everyone to shit their pants, which is annoying, because modern Nuclear power is world's away from Chernobyl and we are pretty safe from tsunamis and monster earthquakes.

Windscale fire though :sorry:

[Lewis]

We successfully covered that up for decades - :cool: - so that can't have had any effect. Anyway, good to see we're off to a fine start with the shittest possible intervention in the energy market.

[Kikó]

Aren't a few of these nuclear power plants near eroding coastline?