UK General Election 2017 - 8 June

[randomlegend]

I want whoever is currently being interviewed on radio 4 as PM.

Edit: Kenneth Clarke apparently. On Boris "he's entertaining company but quite frankly he couldn't run a whelk stall" :D I know nothing about him but that's got my vote.

[Shindig]

Kenneth Clarke might as well put his name down. I can't see any other Tory with as much clout.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Nicholas Soames is the money shot as far as legendary pro-European Tories go. His twitter is amazing.

[phonics]

His twitter was amazing before any of this. Just the ultimate old man using twitter like an old man.

[Disco]

Ken Clarke for PM, I think I had homework the last time I heard anyone say that.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I have a very clear memory of Andrew Marr on the 10 o'clock news declaring his front line career to be over in 2001, when he lost the leadership election to IDS.

If he makes it another two years that will be 50 years in parliament.

[Lewis]

Ken Clarke is a twat, albeit not as big a twat as Nicholas Soames.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

That woman in Maidenhead is mental.

[Kikó]

So, if May wins this vote of no confidence, but then loses one in the House of Commons, triggering a general election, do the Conservative Party's rules mandate she be the leader for that election (as she can't be challenged again for a year)? I know, realistically, you'd think she'd throw the towel in before it came to that, but that really doesn't seem to be her M.O. at all. That would probably be a suitably farcical next step.

The woman is Terminator. There's zero chance Maybot stops.

[Spikey M]

I want her to go purely for the drama. Let's turn this shambles full Christmas Special.

[Spikey M]

Bollocks.

[Spikey M]

What the fuck is that nightmare on the right?

[Giggles]

So is it back to square one then?

Also, why the fuck do they shout and bang tables so much? They're grown men and women in supposedly respectable jobs.

[Lewis]

117 against. :cool:

[Spikey M]

The Demon Headmaster is back to flog his dead horse.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Well that's a bit shit.

It would have descended into even more madness.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

So is it back to square one then?

Also, why the fuck do they shout and bang tables so much? They're grown men and women in supposedly respectable jobs.

Because they're all inbred cunts.

[Kikó]

I still find it staggering that May would win another election if it was called tomorrow.

[Lewis]

I hear the other bloke is a massive mong.

[Spikey M]

I still find it staggering that May would win another election if it was called tomorrow.

And, even if Corbyn fucked off, there's nobody within Labour that would stand a chance.

[Disco]

Tony Blair saves us again.

[Gray Fox]

So do we get Corbyn with the Money in the Bank briefcase now or what?

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Watching people spin thus like some great success is quite something. She got more votes than when she ran for leader you know...

[Jimmy Floyd]

Having seen off the shitmunchers for 12 months, the correct strategic call if you are May (well on her way to being one of the great survivors in political history) is now to go absolutely full on heel turn and call a second referendum, options: Deal or Revoke A50.

That would put on the table the two options that she (privately) probably finds palatable, and send all her opponents into a complete tail spin. The loony mongs would be frothing at the mouth, and the other loony mongs on the opposite benches wouldn't know what to do (not that they ever do).

I reckon it would get through Parliament and then she challenges the electorate to face reality and that she is willing to revoke A50 if they don't want her deal. The electorate then chooses, and everyone's a winner - except Labour and the fruitcakes.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

I thought you were a hardcore leaver Jim, when did that change?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've always been a soft leaver. Lewis is the hardcore leaver. I'm associated with his brand though as we've formed the Conservative wing of TTH for a decade.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Is that conservative or Conservative though?

[Lewis]

In what must be the first time anyone has ever said this, I would genuinely be interested to know what GS thinks now.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Both, probably. Lewis sticks to his guns, I sway a bit in the wind. My main political belief is I think the left are in practice almost always guilty of pernicious social engineering that ends up being destructive, so I'd rather keep them out. My ideal government would be full of dry administrators with no driving ideology, and a couple of people at the top with charisma to lead the others, and good judgement.

[Lewis]

I've sat here trying to explain where I see myself and I just come to Powellism. It could arguably do with a re-brand to 'national libertarianism' or something, lest Doreen Lawrence kick my front door in, but it's got everything you need.

[Byron]

In what must be the first time anyone has ever said this, I would genuinely be interested to know what GS thinks now.

GS is a no deal leaver, primarily because he hates the backstop.

[Giggles]

That horrible fucking cunt hating it is about the only good thing about the backstop.

[Spikey M]

Put the nails and drill bits away lad.

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw0dfe0F-5c

Old Cumbers has got the voice chillingly spot on. If it's well made and not a Remainer whinefest, it could be brilliant - the true story of how Cummins single handedly won the referendum, by mashing all the ERG cunts and Farage/Banks to the sidelines and imposing his own genius upon it, is pretty amazing.

[Yevrah]

Farage wasn't "mashed to the sidelines", he was everywhere.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He was completely sidelined by the official campaign (as were many other useless bores) and so had to resort to doing his own shite 'Leave.EU' thing to get himself on telly, which, lacking any sort of intellect or substance, is the only way in which he exists.

Farage/Banks were a major drag on the leave vote, they would have won by more without them.

[Lewis]

On the other hand, Nigel Farage is almost wholly responsible for getting us the referendum, so what you gonna do.

[Jimmy Floyd]

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How do they manage it, every fucking time? Do they just have tin ears?

[Henry]

Great to see Varadkar sticking the boot in last night and removing all of the substance from the agreed text.

[niko_cee]

A British Prime Minister seeking assurances from Europe, and getting nothing, with the spectre of a referendum on the horizon?

I feel we may have been here before.

[Giggles]

Will page 102 on this thread not load for anyone else?

[Disco]

Will page 102 on this thread not load for anyone else?

I'm getting the same thing.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Probably means someone is going through deleting posts.

[Baz]

:gs:

[Giggles]

No, everything just adds to 101 but 102 is there.

[Giggles]

Leedsrev's (RIP) thread is doing the same with page 2/3.

[Disco]

102 has been created but there's nothing on it, the deleted posts have brought us back onto 101.

[Giggles]

102 has been created but there's nothing on it, the deleted posts have brought us back onto 101.

Never seen that before, I thought a deleted post would wipe out the page too. Tough presumably it'll go on once we hit post 5051 anyway.

[Giggles]

Or is this some coventry bullshit?

[phonics]

John caved and deleted LR's account which is what's causing the issue. Your cache will update in a day or so.

[Giggles]

It's back to normal now.

[Disco]

We fixed it.

[Giggles]

Another job well done.

[Lewis]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/19/people-prevent-no-deal-brexit-general-strike-eu

Wahey, two weeks off. Can you even strike from bilking people with crowd-funded legal cases?

[Shindig]

Corbyn said 'stupid people'.

[niko_cee]

Like those dubbed nfl things I reckon it's impossible to tell once you have been prejudiced one way or the other (ie you see what you think you want to see). I reckon it probably was 'woman' though (makes more sense), but is not the bigger problem that something muttered under ones breath in obvious exasperation is somehow fair game for widespread critique and condemnation? Ok denial makes it more of a story but is woman now another of those words you can't say (or are we back at calm down love-gate again)?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've been a bit baffled by it (what is he meant to say? 'Stupid person'?) but that doesn't seem to be a discussion that's on the table nowadays.

[John]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Unofficial-Jeremy-Corbyn-Annual-Annuals/dp/1911622099

The perfect gift.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Anyone got GS's address?

[Shindig]

That's actually a great use of time and effort.

[phonics]

My mum is forcing me to go to a meeting with the UK ambassador to Switzerland so he can inform me of my rights post Brexit. I pointed out that I have a work permit strong enough that I’m allowed to vote in local elections and that Switzerland isn’t in the EU but I still have to go apparently.

I’d got over being annoyed about Brexit but now I have to go to the most boring three hour long function I can think of, I’m putting hashtag fbpe (or whatever still don’t know what it stands for) in my twitter handle and retweeting peter mandelson and lord Adonis.

[Ian]

I assume we're using "forcing" in about it's poorest possible sense?

[phonics]

The arguments over me not going would be longer and more boring than the event so I think it’s a fair assessment of the situation.

[Kikó]

For Britain Pro Europe I think

[Spikey M]

For Boring Paedofilic Eejits.

[ItalAussie]

Didn't the Brexit lot say they wanted closer ties with Australia at some stage? And other Commonwealth members, I suppose. I can't even fathom how that was supposed to be a positive argument.

Remain should have made it the focus of an advertising campaign.

*Camera pans over desolate wasteland*
This is the set of Mad Max. It was filmed in Australia. The cast didn't even know they were acting. Australians are a barely civilised rabble, and the Brexiteers want to give them unfettered access to our shores. Prevent the Australian Invasion. Vote to remain.

[Giggles]

All our wasters must have well infested Australia at this stage anyway.

[Spikey M]

If we were going to take that approach we'd use the dark skinned colonials.

[Lewis]

Having a closer, even a 'special' relationship with Australia makes a lot of sense on various grounds, but, speaking as a Brexit maniac, I find the general Commonwealth-based arguments shit. The majority of it has nothing to offer us, and it should really just be abolished (it should never have existed really). Somebody really ought to be making the argument that having a 'reduced role on the world stage', if that is indeed to be the result of the process (I remain to be wholly convinced), is actually not a bad thing.

[Jimmy Floyd]

This Cumberbatch portrayal of Deadly Dom is great. Very even handed writing as well.

[Giggles]

This Cumberbatch portrayal of Deadly Dom is great. Very even handed writing as well.

I was only wondering if it was a real person he was playing or if it was a symbolic type character.

[Lewis]

This Cumberbatch portrayal of Deadly Dom is great. Very even handed writing as well.

Carole the Madwoman on Twitter dot com FACT CHECKING an imaginary scene set in the future.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They still don't get it, bless their little hearts.

[Giggles]

Is this trying to plant a seed that Farage and this tubby donor guy are 'seeing' each other?

[Lewis]

Can't believe they got Daniel Hannan to play himself.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I can't wait for the second referendum.

[Spikey M]

That Brexit: Uncivil War has got Twitters remain contingent being even smugger than normal. I'm not sure I can bring myself to watch it

[Jimmy Floyd]

It was probably slightly on the boring side in the end. A better film would have cut out all the peripheral stuff, and the Craig Oliver sympathy-wanking, and just been about Deadly Dom vs the bastards (i.e. everyone on the Leave side who wasn't him).

Carole and friends are not actually campaigning about cheating either, they're campaigning about the fact that their side lost and are clinging to literally anything they can find to keep up with that. If Remain had won with the same cheating they wouldn't have given a single shit and it would have been Guido Fawkes doing the forlorn investigation.

I don't remember seeing a single Vote Leave ad online in the course of May/June 2016, but then they probably thought I was a nailed on remainer. Silly Dom.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Carole does come across as particularly frenetic, Andrew Neil was spot on.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

So should we be stocking up on food and preparing bunkers now?

[Lewis]

Stock up on cold drinks and factor fifty for the sunlit uplands of No Deal Brexit.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Corbyn really does come across poorly the louder he gets. Just a shouty lout.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Couldn't you say that about any of the dickheads?

[Giggles]

I seen a bit on the news and the lad reading out the result looked like he could be down the local drinking the slops and hitting lads up for fags.

[Spikey M]

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_medium/public/indy100/WJm7AzVT_x/18137-1eppoff.jpg

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I seen a bit on the news and the lad reading out the result looked like he could be down the local drinking the slops and hitting lads up for fags.

When he said 'Order' it made me laugh.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46885027

My local MP (Bim) voted YES to the deal. Clearly scared of crossing May.

It has not gone down well though according to Twitter.

[Spikey M]

Ours votes against, and he's in a safe seat. Brave.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Couldn't you say that about any of the dickheads?

More so with him than most, he was on the verge of popping a blood vessel.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Ours votes against, and he's in a safe seat. Brave.

Ours was a safe seat (it's been conservative since 1974), I don't think it's all that safe now.

[Lewis]

He is thick and has never spoken to anybody who disagrees with him for more than ten minutes.

[Jimmy Floyd]

My local MP is Dominic Raab and I have voted for him THREE times, so I get very much what I deserve.

[bruhnaldo]

So, are you guys just going to say fuck that initial vote we're not leaving Wolf of Wall Street style?

[Spikey M]

So, are you guys just going to say fuck that initial vote we're not leaving Wolf of Wall Street style?

Or crash out it a ball of flames/glory.

[bruhnaldo]

Jesus. Our media doesn't cover it very much beyond the times Theresa May has a "confidence" vote or whatever so I can't really get a good grasp on the situation (and are entirely too lazy to do my own research, of course.)

I do hope it turns out for you lads, at least, whatever "turning out" may be.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I think, with my incredibly limited political knowledge, that another referendum will be held and the vast majority will vote remain.

[Spikey M]

It should be, but it won't. It would cost them too much pride.

[bruhnaldo]

Well can I ask a question though.

Is Theresa May just this largely incompetent person, as I'm gathering from all of the times everyone has voted no against her proposals, or.... is she just kinda stuck in her position having to try and fulfill the "will of the people" but there really are no realistic exit strategies that make sense and she's being made the scapegoat? Or is it kinda both?

[bruhnaldo]

Jesus

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/A973/production/_105197334_biggest_gov_defeats_test-nc.png

That's some graphic.

[Spikey M]

Well can I ask a question though.

Is Theresa May just this largely incompetent person, as I'm gathering from all of the times everyone has voted no against her proposals, or.... is she just kinda stuck in her position having to try and fulfill the "will of the people" but there really are no realistic exit strategies that make sense and she's being made the scapegoat? Or is it kinda both?

Both.

She is absolutely useless, but Churchill in his pomp couldn't have got this done.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They really should have held initial negotiations with the EU before the vote for the referendum.

So much bullshit was being peddled and got found out pretty quickly after the vote.

[Lewis]

They did, and they got fuck all out of them.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Oh right, so they knew all along it wasn't going to be a piece of piss then.

[niko_cee]

No serious political party wants to really put its name to a second vote as they know it is likely (or at least potentially) electoral suicide, but they all actually want it, so it's a question of how you get there. With difficulty.

The labour bod they had on tv saying they'd likely stand on a similar platform if they do somehow win their no confidence vote (they won't) summed it up.

As with everything, there will be a price to pay in the end. The divs (and by divs I mean your esteemed elected representatives) don't really appreciate it, but it will come. In what form, who knows, but can you really have a political system where a government loses a major vote by 200 votes one day, and then wins a majority in the house in a confidence vote the next? Maybe the first-past-the-post model will be the price, which will be extra lol. It's probably that or the Son of Bojo/Farage as supreme leader in 15 years when the great unwashed finally burn everything to the ground. Enjoy.

[Lewis]

Not easy, what with the European Union having infected every aspect of our national life and hollowed out all of our institutions over the preceding forty years, but doable with actual preparation and willingness to take the short-term hit. I was right with my Ian Smith suggestion. It would all be sorted by now.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's a choice of whether MPs want to alienate all the remain voters or alienate all the leave voters. My reading is that it's a battleground in the global culture war and they will stick with their own tribe, so second referendum it is and then they have to a) win it, which will be 'really, really tough' as Tiger Woods would say, and b) deal with the generation of backlash that fucking the white working class will unleash.

Milne (Corbyn himself is not relevant) is trying to get away with not picking a side, hence why they want an election in which they can continue not to pick a side (because who votes on policy now anyway? It's all tribal) and then hope that they can win it on the back of the Tories being a shambles. Then they can have a five year term to get us all eating dry grain from our socks and, you know, nationalising wine, and whatever else they have planned, and probably you would have to have a No Deal in order to do most of this because EU regulations are all deliberately centrist.

The people who are in a real pickle over this are the group that you see a lot of on twitter, but are actually quite small - the people who are big time remainers but also don't buy the S*n and want to #GTTO and quote tweet sanctimonious David Lammy tweets with something even more sanctimonious. Those people are the ones who hold the key because they need to force Labour onto the remain side of the fence to make a second referendum happen, but in so doing they will also turn millions of voters off Labour and certainly off the Corbyn-Milne-McDonnell socialist project.

[Lewis]

I will take No Deal communism. A Third Way, if you will.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Might_makes_right

This sounds fun.

Put everyone who fancies ruling the country into a massive fight, whoever wins rules.

Proper animal kingdom shit.

[Henry]

You shambolic cunts.

[Yevrah]

I don’t know why May is still bothering. I really don’t.

[phonics]

I don’t know why May is still bothering. I really don’t.

Because the only type of people who get involved in this shite are only involved because they are obsessed with power and they're not going to let it go.

If you'd become a feckless husk with no morals or ethics to guide you, just doing what polls told you to for 30 years, what else are you supposed to do?

I'm starting to understand how she lasted so long at the Home Office though.

[Yevrah]

Hang on, everyone else bailed the moment it looked like it might get tricky. This isn’t a type of people thing, there’s something very different about her.

[phonics]

Hang on, everyone else bailed the moment it looked like it might get tricky. This isn’t a type of people thing, there’s something very different about her.

Who bailed apart from Bojo who is a massive bottler.

[Disco]

Most of the previous government for a start.

[phonics]

Most of the previous government for a start.

George Osborne left to be the head of about 18 different places including being editor-in-chief of one of the most read papers in the capital. Power doesn't just lay in government and when you've run the gaff for 8 years or so you've got the contacts to do so.

[Spikey M]

You shambolic cunts.

Enjoy your wall Henners.

[Disco]

George Osborne left to be the head of about 18 different places including being editor-in-chief of one of the most read papers in the capital. Power doesn't just lay in government and when you've run the gaff for 8 years or so you've got the contacts to do so.

So he wouldn't have continued in politics had the referendum gone differently? Get a grip.

[Spikey M]

He was a remainer though, wasn't he? What Bozza did is far worse. The little weasel.

[phonics]

So he wouldn't have continued in politics had the referendum gone differently? Get a grip.

Yes but Theresa May won't have the opportunities at outside power that the previous lot do.

[Disco]

I'm not sure I agree with that but it's beside the point, plenty of people 'bailed' who otherwise would not have done. That some of them then found new jobs is immaterial.

[Lewis]

Because the only type of people who get involved in this shite are only involved because they are obsessed with power and they're not going to let it go.

If you'd become a feckless husk with no morals or ethics to guide you, just doing what polls told you to for 30 years, what else are you supposed to do?

I'm starting to understand how she lasted so long at the Home Office though.

Yeah. There is also loads of other shit about her being an outsider and all that, but I think she is just a mentalist like Gordon Brown was.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Love or hate Gove, the fucker can make a speech.

[Boom-Boom-18]

Love or hate Gove, the fucker can make a speech.

Fantastic speech, the atmosphere in the commons was electric. I love watching a big debate.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I wouldn't say I 'love' Gove but he is streets ahead of anyone else in politics in terms of capability. If his social skills were better than 1/100 he'd be fine.

[Lewis]

Unfortunately, everything he has done since the day after the vote counts against him.

[phonics]

What a load of nonsense. Maybe it's just having grown up around them but Gove is absolutely see through. Classic private school/old money arrogance, using achievements made by those made of better stuff to justify themselves.

[randomlegend]

Gove is a cunt.

[Jimmy Floyd]

No, you just disagree with his policies.

[Lewis]

What a load of nonsense. Maybe it's just having grown up around them but Gove is absolutely see through. Classic private school/old money arrogance, using achievements made by those made of better stuff to justify themselves.

Mate he is less 'private school/old money' than you.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Unfortunately, everything he has done since the day after the vote counts against him.

Suicide bombing the hitherto unstoppable Boris Johnson 4 PM campaign was the greatest service any active politician has done this country.

[randomlegend]

No, you just disagree with his policies.

Because they are the policies of a cunt.

[Lewis]

I have never liked Boris Johnson, but wasn't Deadly Dominic Cummings going to be let loose on Whitehall had he won? That seems like a missed opportunity.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Corbyn now refusing to meet the PM for talks unless she takes no deal off the table.

[Giggles]

Corbyn now refusing to meet the PM for talks unless she takes no deal off the table.

What exactly do they want? No deal but no No deal?

It's very British to think you were just going to rock up, dictate all the terms, and lol off into the sunset though.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

A better deal or no Brexit.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I have never liked Boris Johnson, but wasn't Deadly Dominic Cummings going to be let loose on Whitehall had he won? That seems like a missed opportunity.

I think that would just have been a frustrating thrash, May's dullness has kept them in check since 2016. Sir Humphrey wouldn't be letting any kind of revolution happen.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

He probably wants no deal but can't be seen to be wanting it.

[Spikey M]

Does the country “Overwhelmingly want Brexit”? Do the polls still show that?

[niko_cee]

Whilst it's not the intention, I like the idea of having to consult 'the polls' whenever a piece of government legislation needs to be passed.

[phonics]

Has anyone on this board ever been called/contacted to answer a poll? I've never met anyone who has.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They all have samples of about 1,100 or so, so statistically there would have to be around 41,000 phone polls before all voting age people had been contacted once each (this assumes no repeats).

UK Polling Report shows that there have been about ten phone polls in the last three months, so extrapolating this it would take just over a thousand years before everyone had been consulted for a poll.

You can of course be polled online at any time by joining the YouGov panel or Opinium or the other one the name of which escapes me. In practice though you have to answer a lot of questions about bird feed brands and not many about voting intention.

[Yevrah]

Has Dimbleby died?

[Boydy]

Has Dimbleby died?
Assuming you're referring to Question Time, no, he just doesn't do it any more.

[Lewis]

I don't think I've sat through a full episode since the one immediately after the vote. And it's not like it has got worse, so fuck knows what was I doing watching it all those years.

[Yevrah]

Assuming you're referring to Question Time, no, he just doesn't do it any more.

Yeah, I've not watched it for ages and like Lewis, I'm finding it really bad.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think it has got a lot worse. Politicians are much more cynically soundbitey than in the YOU SOLD THEM WEAPONS era, and audiences are just full of party stooges and unfocused rage.

Speaking of weapons, I see Tony Blair has been doing the rounds AGAIN. When will they learn?

[Yevrah]

When they get better people?

[Spikey M]

Even Corbyn, a man who regularly sits down with War Criminals, must be able to see how damaging having Tony on your side must be.

[Disco]

What's one more?

[Giggles]

Even Corbyn, a man who regularly sits down with War Criminals, must be able to see how damaging having Tony on your side must be.

In fairness, Theresa May formed a government with a crew of them.

[Boydy]

Even Corbyn, a man who regularly sits down with War Criminals, must be able to see how damaging having Tony on your side must be.

No.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He would if they were on the right side of the Cold War divide. Once you understand that about him and the old left you understand everything about them. The Israel hate/anti-Semitism comes from them having been on the side of FREEDOM in those years.

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxTgOFPWoAEYLiM.jpg

Public opinion on various Brexit options. That's that cleared up then.

[Lewis]

Extend Article 50 for what?

[Shindig]

Time, as if Theresa May is Chris Hughton. We might as well cut the bullshit and just say a consensus can't be reached so we have to stay put. People will moan but nobody's going to oppose her.

[Spikey M]

Extend Article 50 for what?

????
Profit

[Spikey M]

Is Salmond getting Yewtreed?

[Lewis]

lol if so.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Mr Salmond was accused of two charges of attempted rape, nine of sexual assault, two of indecent assault and one breach of the peace.

He's fucked.

[Spikey M]

Yes, but who?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

No one, he failed as it was only an attempt.

Keep up mate.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Can't win a referendum and can't even rape properly, what a knob!

[Spikey M]

He'll keep whinging and attempting until he gets the result he wants.

[Kikó]

At least let the guy go to court FFS.

[Giggles]

At least let the guy go to court FFS.

He's a white man. Guilty.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Keeks advocating rape.

SCUM.

[Lewis]

He's a white man. Guilty.

And not known for taking no for an answer.

[Lewis]

lol at these various Brexit amendments. You would like to think that the 'ERG' are playing along for time, since the agreement is still atrocious even with the border issue removed, but that would be unusually savvy.

[phonics]

So the government is going to back an amendment to reopen the deal that they took 2 years to negotitate and they'll come back with a bumper deal that everyone will love in 2 weeks?

[Lewis]

Even the NO DEAL amendments are stupid. Right, you've ruled it out. In favour of what? And why would they extend the negotiating period indefinitely? You do wonder whether they even understand what is going on. As somebody said on the Twitter, you can't take NO DEAL off the table when it is the table.

[Disco]

Parliament vote in favour of Parliament remaining relevant.

I believe the forum vernacular is On the ropes.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I don't understand why no one has twigged that Corbyn/Milne are playing for No Deal. Why else would you come up with crap about 'taking No Deal off the table', a nonsensical concept, except that doing so allows you, in the case of No Deal, to be able to point out that you 'wanted to take No Deal off the table' when it all goes to shit, thus becoming an electable government able to use No Deal conditions to sculpt utopian socialism at last.

It's the most obvious thing in political history yet STILL people are convinced that Labour are working for Remain/softest possible Brexit. They aren't.

[Jimmy Floyd]

This Brady amendment is fucking retarded. She could bring home 'free cheese for life and sex slaves legal for all ERG members' and they would still call it shit and vote it down in two weeks.

[Giggles]

Nothing will be agreed until the EU chucks us under the bus so I don't even know why they're bothering with anything until that happens.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Have they all been voted down thus far?

[Jimmy Floyd]

In the good old days we'd have marched into Dublin by now. Flutes at the ready, everyone.

[Lewis]

How does sterling go down during things like this? I know why does it goes down, but what I mean is who was speculating on all of these things going through? Why doesn't it all get priced in during the day or the week?

[Giggles]

In the good old days we'd have marched into Dublin by now. Flutes at the ready, everyone.

Caved and scurried out of it once already, wouldn't be much point again. Though that's apt as what they teach you about the "good old days" in your school's instead of your real truth is probably the root of your whole mess in the first place.

[niko_cee]

I'm surprised it took you as long as three minutes to be triggered by that.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The speaker is such a twat.

[Giggles]

I'm surprised it took you as long as three minutes to be triggered by that.

Sorry for making you wait so long Combat 18.

[Lewis]

It's a shame my idea to re-issue the Ulster Covenant for Brexit never went beyond here. I could have signed it in blood like that gun-running mad bloke.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Why do they seem to think that she can negotiate something better than the backstop? She was so successful in the lengthy negotiations before.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

That massive grown when Blackford stood up just about sums the man up.

[niko_cee]

It's a red herring in that both (a) it won't ever be needed (neither side is actually going to do anything to create the dreaded hard border) and (b) it's only a bone of contention for so many because they know it is something that is very unlikely to be ceded thus pushing the UK closer to not leaving, or at least having another go at voting.

As Jimmy said, she could come back with Ireland, the port of Calais and that Belgian Abbey that makes the best beer in the world and it still wouldn't be enough.

Not being enough probably applies equally to the extremes at both ends.

The second vote is going to be genuinely catastrophic.

[Spikey M]

What is the actual plan here? Because if it's actually 'try to negotiate a better deal' then they may as well shut the doors and turn the lights off.

[niko_cee]

The plan is "this is how they always do things" (knowing nod/wink) "just wait and see".

And as that bbc documentary last night pointed out, late capitulation isn't actually the EU m.o. at all.

So the brinksmanship will continue until someone calls the whole thing off/the UK accidentally leaves.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The key in the whole jigsaw is Corbyn, if he was a remainer we'd have remained or had another referendum by now.

[Spikey M]

If May wasn't stuck in 'the lady is not for turning' mode, we'd have, you know, actually done something at some point.

[Henry]

Parliament voted against a no-deal Brexit and against giving itself the powers to stop a no-deal Brexit.
They also voted to renegotiate the backstop in favour of an unspecified something, which they've been told endlessly by the EU isn't going to happen.

Have I got that right? Shambles. The UK is becoming a joke.

[phonics]

becoming? The country is a literal punchline.

[Lewis]

Escaping the European Union and wrecking our own political system is like the best two-for-one ever.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've noticed a shift on twitter in the last week from sanctimony to resignation, so the Final Victory must be getting closer.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47061650

The EU's chief negotiator Michel Barnier says the Irish backstop is "part and parcel" of the UK's Brexit deal and will not be renegotiated.

So what happens now?

[Spikey M]

We're renegotiating Monghow. Keep up.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

She'll fail in renegotiating to reopen negotiations.

[Spikey M]

Then she'll renotiate that.

Renegotiception.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

She'll become the renegotiminator.

[niko_cee]

What happens next is we either see what happens if the bus goes below 50 (unlikely) or we just keep going through some sort of 'extension' (more likely).

Although, being the real world, the bomb is going to go off at some point.

[Lewis]

They need to get spinning CRASHING OUT as something better. Swaggering out. Bowling in [to the world]. They could do an advertising campaign with Liam Gallagher kicking a leprechaun under an Audi.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They need to get spinning CRASHING OUT as something better. Swaggering out. Bowling in [to the world]. They could do an advertising campaign with Liam Gallagher kicking a leprechaun under an Audi.

Strutting out?

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[Lewis]

'Jet flyin', limousine ridin', kiss stealin', NO DEALIN'... In that big house. On the big side of the border.'

[Spikey M]

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[Kikó]

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[Spikey M]

I figured it, but cheers. And at least now we have it twice.

[niko_cee]

Special place in hell for heretics.

Definitely not a religious empire.

[Giggles]

This is quality :D These people, even the mainland Brits have no idea how insane they are.

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[Henry]

I think he was trying to be funny...

[Giggles]

I think he was trying to be funny...

Sammy Wilson? It would have been said without the slightest hint of humour. Definitely passed Campbell as the craziest of the lot by now, he'll be holed up with Willie Frazer before long.

[Lewis]

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All the seething wallies in the replies. :happycry:

[Boydy]

I think he was trying to be funny...
I doubt it. Paisley Senior used to rail against it being a continuation of the Holy Roman Empire.

[niko_cee]

You do have to wonder about the person who thought such a comment was in any way a good idea.

[phonics]

You do have to wonder about the person who thought such a comment was in any way a good idea.

Tusk? What does he have to lose? The British spent 2 years stepping on a rake like Sideshow Bob and now he's trolling them for lols.

[Lewis]

Donald Tusk resigned as the Prime Minister of Poland to take his current job, which, to say the European Union is just a trading arrangement with no real power, has always struck me as odd.

[Lewis]

The spurious Brexit legal challenges coming out of the woodwork now are good as well. Run that clock down lads.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Donald Tusk resigned as the Prime Minister of Poland to take his current job, which, to say the European Union is just a trading arrangement with no real power, has always struck me as odd.

It (and the UN) are a massive deal for the likes of Belgium, Luxembourg, the Scandi countries and indeed Poland. It's their golden ticket to relevance.

[Spikey M]

If it didn't mean joining forces with France and Germany, we should get them to leave too, then join forces with France and Germany.

[Lewis]

It (and the UN) are a massive deal for the likes of Belgium, Luxembourg, the Scandi countries and indeed Poland. It's their golden ticket to relevance.

There are so many stereotypes you could call upon to explain it all, like that Irish bloke does with his weird seethes about the English which Remain Twitter laps up without any sense of irony.

[Shindig]

"The League of Proper Countries." Let's write one up.

[Jimmy Floyd]

There are so many stereotypes you could call upon to explain it all, like that Irish bloke does with his weird seethes about the English which Remain Twitter laps up without any sense of irony.

Remain Twitter is very weird in this regard (the self hating). They were never like this before the referendum. What do they think it's like over there, some kind of social democratic utopia? Most of Europe is either empty, arid brushland, or a massive industrial estate full of career racists. We have the second bit but also have a diverse, functioning economy, which we are one of about three countries in the region to have.

[Lewis]

And we're back to Deadly Dom's focus groups.

[niko_cee]

I should probably know more about how all this functions, but when people are constantly whomping on about having or being part of a (the) customs union, do they have any idea what that entails?

What does the customs union do? Is it (simply) an outward facing tariff wall to protect the internal European/EU market, or does it also provide for the removal of tariffs between countries within the bloc? I assumed it was the former, with the latter being achieved via the single/internal market (which is built on the various fundamental freedoms). So, my question is, if the UK were in the customs union, does it, either logically or factually, also have to be in the single market - or is it possible to be just in the customs bit? And then, if that is the case, does that mean the UK applies the common tariff to non-eu arriving goods etc (we can decide who gets to keep the tariff later) but wouldn't, itself, have unfettered access to the EU market?

Because if you do get market access, and the price is just being part of the EU tariff bloc, and not the single market rules, then it would seem a bit of a no-brainer to try and go with that (which is why I assume it can't be the case) - it would effectively make the UK an offshore route into the EU. Access to the European market, but not bound by the rules of the single market itself. A double English if you will.

And, in the alternative, which I assume is the case (customs union is effectively tied to single market membership, which is effectively [tied to] being in the EU), is this position just a weasel-words political way of trying to stay within the theory of giving credence to the referendum result but not really leaving, or do its proponents actually believe it is a workable and achievable way of leaving?

As regards Tusks comments, all they do is make the case for remaining in the next referendum all the more difficult to make (they galvanise anti-EU sentiment), and whilst he acknowledged that wasn't really a well supported or realistic thing at the moment, it is surely the intended end game for the EU (and large swathes of the UK government/populace), so why say it?

[Spikey M]

Because the leaders of the EU are smug little cunts.

[phonics]

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[Lewis]

Hasnt anyone close to that naked remain academic even attempted to have a word?

[phonics]

A load of old shite

Nice to know that Harold's out of prison but nah mate, CY@

[Spikey M]

Hasnt anyone close to that naked remain academic even attempted to have a word?

I'm not sure if her voice or her muff is more annoying.

And by mouth, I mean actual mouth, it's weirder than the shite coming out of it.

[Boydy]

#shamefullustage

[Spikey M]

Shameful muffage.

[Shindig]

Well, that's .... not appealing to anyone. Not even perverts.

[Giggles]

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[niko_cee]

I love how the boat appears to be attempting to flee the scene.

[phonics]

Always nice to know what local idiot, Gavin Williamson is up to.



Last summer, senior figures in the defence department were reported to be exasperated by some of Williamson’s eccentric suggestions for stretching the defence budget. According to the Sun, he put forward the idea of mounting guns on tractors as makeshift mobile missile launchers, and buying secondhand ferries to convert them to beach assault craft. A source told the Sun: “The man is out of his mind. No one knows what to do.”


He even tried to launch his own set of medals for gallantry, apparently oblivious to the fact that only the Queen can approve such honours.

To the incredulity of his staff, Williamson was at it again before Christmas when he proposed firing paintballs to deter Spanish ships from trespassing in Gibraltar’s waters. During a regular Ministry of Defence meeting with senior armed forces staff, he suggested that Gibraltarians could be armed with paintball guns to fire at passing Spanish ships to scare them off. In response the chief of defence staff, Gen Sir Nick Carter, simply rolled his eyes,

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/11/gavin-williamson-enhances-reputation-for-haplessness?CMP=twt_gu (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8185701/gavin-williamson-spanish-gibraltar-paintballs/)

[Henry]

Several MP's launching themselves into the dustbin of history today, I see. Good riddance.

[Henry]

Also, I have an idea to put little Englanders in their place on Brexit. The main issue appears to be the Irish border and the fact that it's going to need checkpoints and so forth. So - instead of having Irish police and troops do so, since it's a European border I suggest that we invite Europeans to man it. Specifically, German troops. Possibly even in some nice retro uniforms.

[Spikey M]

I love how Hennerz is like a Belieber for J-Corbz.

[Spikey M]

Also, I have an idea to put little Englanders in their place on Brexit. The main issue appears to be the Irish border and the fact that it's going to need checkpoints and so forth. So - instead of having Irish police and troops do so, since it's a European border I suggest that we invite Europeans to man it. Specifically, German troops. Possibly even in some nice retro uniforms.

If it were up to me, I would just leave the EU and leave the border as it is. If the EU wants to put border controls in place then they can have that hot potato to themselves

[Henry]

I love how Hennerz is like a Belieber for J-Corbz.

What the fuck is "a belieber"?

[Spikey M]

I reckon Google will know.

[Henry]

If it were up to me, I would just leave the EU and leave the border as it is.

Er, yeah. But that makes no sense. Especially if you listen to Tories talking about "our borders, our laws and our money".

[Spikey M]

Er, yeah. But that makes no sense. Especially if you listen to Tories talking about "our borders, our laws and our money".

But I don't. And I don't particularly care if Johnny Euro has a back door in. I just want this Brexit shite to go away.

[niko_cee]

Also, I have an idea to put little Englanders in their place on Brexit. The main issue appears to be the Irish border and the fact that it's going to need checkpoints and so forth. So - instead of having Irish police and troops do so, since it's a European border I suggest that we invite Europeans to man it. Specifically, German troops. Possibly even in some nice retro uniforms.

:cab:

That'll show 'em!

[Boydy]

What the fuck is "a belieber"?

https://media1.tenor.com/images/b1020601702471ef6d92522a85607a3b/tenor.gif

[Spikey M]

:cab:

That'll show 'em!

Interesting that - on a day where 7 Labour MP's have left the party, with Anti-semitism being given as a core reason - Henry wants Nazis guarding his country.

[John]

Also, I have an idea to put little Englanders in their place on Brexit. The main issue appears to be the Irish border and the fact that it's going to need checkpoints and so forth. So - instead of having Irish police and troops do so, since it's a European border I suggest that we invite Europeans to man it. Specifically, German troops. Possibly even in some nice retro uniforms.

You fucking clown. :D

[Disco]

Aren't there any communists in your own country you can wank over?

[Henry]

Interesting that - on a day where 7 Labour MP's have left the party, with Anti-semitism being given as a core reason - Henry wants Nazis guarding his country.

Oh noes! My cover is blown!

[Dave.]

Several MP's launching themselves into the dustbin of history today, I see. Good riddance.

Chuka opting to leave political entity that can't be reformed from within is somewhat ironic.

[phonics]

It says something about where I am with politics that there are more 'sides' to take than ever before yet I'm still on none of them.

I don't want Chuka's fucking 'everything was fine before 2015' position. Corbyn's 'I hate Europe but I'm going to pretend I both do/don't depending on who's asking' is just fucking idiotic and on the other side of the idiot ship, Chris Graylings still got a job in the cabinet despite having less synapses firing off in his brain than a particularly malnourished root vegetable.

[Boydy]

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