UK General Election 2017 - 8 June

[phonics]

Watching PMQs and some MP has so little self respect, after Boris got made fun of by Corbyn, audibly shout "OWNED!" at him.

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[Magic]

Cheers twitterbot.

[Lewis]

I like the idea that, almost two years after the vote, someone somewhere is still utterly convinced by a media grid with things like 'JOHN MAJOR SPEECH' on it.

[niko_cee]

We should counter this new EU 'negotiation paper' by suggesting the Irish leave the EU single market/customs union and join our common market instead. You know, just 'til we sort the rest out.

It would probably make more sense, economically, than their idea.

[Lewis]

In honour of Leveson pt. II being kicked into the bin (quite rightly), let's lol at this:

http://i68.tinypic.com/281zeqo.jpg

[Lewis]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/01/parliament-sinn-fein-saviours-brexit-impasse

Brexit is the best thing ever. Don't try telling me otherwise.

[Henry]

There's zero chance of that happening, and those calling for it are delusional.

[phonics]

Wasn't she one of the ones on 'the left' calling Jezza a terrorist for chatting to them in the 80s?

[Giggles]

Delusional is what Britain does best.

[Lewis]

This (https://twitter.com/IsolatedBrit/status/970052071566336011) is good. Man asks his remainer Twitter mates 'what--on a personal, emotional level--have we lost?' Some of the answers:

'I cried for 3 days'
'From the moment it was announced I felt an existential threat'
'I keep waking up very confused and with a deep sense of existential dread, and then I realize why: the ridiculous and fraudulent referendum'
'I am lucky to have homes in Scotland and France and those are where I now call "Home"'
'We were on holiday in Spain and felt the same, and almost immediately felt like tresspassers - not that anyone there made us feel that way'
'We had Ode To Joy played at our wedding'
'It's as if the UK has a very serious life threatening condition - a cancer of its soul'

And so on.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It'll be great when we leave and nothing changes, but they have to spend the rest of their days pretending that it has.

[Boydy]

If nothing will change then what's the point of leaving?

[phonics]

350m a week for the NHS.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Principle.

[phonics]

The most pathetically British answer and the first honest one I've heard.

[Raoul Duke]

One sweet way to avoid incoming tax legislation

[Giggles]

If nothing will change then what's the point of leaving?

Something empire, something forrins, Britain, innit, something something.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The reason I voted Leave (and I did have to think long and hard about it) is that long term, the options are leave or enter a full political and economic union. The latter is as guaranteed to be a fascist disaster as anything I can think of, so we might as well leave before it's too late.

[Lewis]

I was duped by the bus.

[Jimmy Floyd]

For all I thought the referendum losing was the funniest thing ever to happen in British politics, a second referendum also losing would top it.

[phonics]

It appears that the Conservatives sacked whoever did the design for the party conference after it all fell down and replaced them with a guy who's a dab hand at Powerpoint.

https://i.imgur.com/4Q03dlx.jpg

Christ alive. At least make it red brick so the Prime Minister of the fucking country doesn't blend into the background rather than looking like she'd being bricked into a stately home, never to be seen again.

[Lewis]

It sounds like another great example of her and/or the idiots around her not understanding how markets work. Developers have an incentive to sit on land with planning permission attached. It's almost like the permissions are valued because they are so difficult to obtain, which, on a similar note, makes me wonder why people think council housing has a unique ability to just be whacked up wherever and whenever.

[phonics]

Look Lewis, if we subsidize them even more than we already are, maybe they'll think about possibly considering the idea of a small tweak in their ways.

[Disco]

Surely you aren't suggesting that the planning regs in this country are unnecessarily complex, arcane, and lorded over by a bunch of small-time arseholes?

I'm sure anyone who's had to deal with them for any length of time will be right in here to disavow this quick smart.

[phonics]

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lolllllllllllllllllllllll. Imagine trying to talk your way out of those quotes in an HR scenario :D

"Look, maybe I was slightly out of line, but in fairness, those were a fantastic, if slightly cancer-riddled, pair of tits."

[Lewis]

Everyone in East Hull Labour thinks he's a whopper and resent his family stitching the seat up for him (especially after their attempts to stitch it up for John Prescott's assistant), so lol at him and his gastric band.

[phonics]

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Mate.

[Lewis]

Dominic Cummings earning his money even now.

[John]

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/19/labour-confirms-music-festival-in-june-with-jeremy-corbyn-on-bill

There isn't a single detail in there which isn't hilarious and tragic and absolutely perfect.

[Shindig]

I can just barely remember The Magic Numbers. Jezza must be a fan.

[Kikó]

I've already got my tickets for Corbyn fest.

[Lewis]

Come for the Magic Numbers, stay for Paul Mason and that weirdo who rants into a dash cam.

'The Tories. The, the, the... THE, THE, THE, THE...'
*everyone going mental for it*

[phonics]

Some UKIP nutter is very angry about an interview with 9 year olds having 'childish answers' and that these children should have been GRILLED.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYvCdapX0AAbEcu.jpg:large

The Moggster has cancelled his boat trip after realising that following Nigel Farage's lead is probably not the way to go.

[Lewis]

lol at these MPs wanting Mark Zuckerberg to come and explain this data bullshit. They presumably don't have any powers over foreigners, but I looked this up a while ago and they can fine/imprison people for telling them to get fucked and refusing to take part. I would love to have seen Mike Ashley or somebody see how far he could push it and become a political prisoner.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They love getting famous people in, gets their faces on the TV looking important (85% of MPs are driven solely by this and that's no exaggeration).

[Lewis]

'That means it's gone from your account, doesn't it?'

[Yevrah]

As if Zuckerberg is going to rock up to that.

[phonics]

I'm bored of reading replies to Trump tweets as it's always the same bores.

I've moved onto the Guido Fawkes comment section. What a desolate waste land.

[Lewis]

It was mega in the years before and after the 2010 election, but then it just became a UKIP hangout and turned shit.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I still lol every few days at 'it took me 30 years to get that fat'. Just a few months until I can nick it as well.

[Lewis]

The classic Guido line-up is all big time now. I bet Tory Bear revels in it down Sun HQ, but Emily Nomates probably cringes whenever someone reminds her.

[Lewis]

Deadly Dom is BACK (https://dominiccummings.com/2018/03/23/on-the-referendum-24-global-conspiracies-and-a-scooby-doo-ending/), slamming the Facebook bullshit:


Another problem with CC’s theory is it requires that you believe simultaneously that a) Mercer/Putin et al are so brilliant and powerful they could orchestrate this global conspiracy AND b) it fell apart because they’re so dumb they entrusted the Brexit arm of it to Banks and Wigmore who promptly blabbed the whole dastardly scheme on the record to CC by mistake.

lol also at references to 'Jolyon the lawyer'.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I was thinking we were due one, and sure enough some pithy journalist tweeted onto my timeline earlier: 'Funny how the man supposedly behind the brilliantly simple Brexit messaging can't communicate in less than 8,000 words'.

Yeah mate, your job as a journalist is very important and you are extremely talented.

[Jimmy Floyd]

And yes, all I have thought at any point in this Cambridge Analytica story is that it's only a story because they were doing it for Trump and whoever. Those who continue to do exactly the same thing for liberal-centrist concerns are praised and even going on the news as pundits regarding this.

People need to realise they cannot have both Facebook and privacy, once you put stuff in a public domain it's out there. If people want privacy then unfortunately the internet will have to be closed down.

[niko_cee]

I do love a good Dom bomb.

I wonder if at some point he'll chuck the towel in and create a reason to have another referendum.

[Jimmy Floyd]

At the end of that one he claims Leave would piss a second referendum, and who am I to doubt him, so let's call it on.

[niko_cee]

There is a definite undertone to that end (or perhaps something more overt than that) in a lot of what he writes.

I reckon you probably will end up with another one, which would launch the lols into the stratosphere almost regardless of result, but particularly if remain (they'd probably want a better team name next time) managed to lose again.

[Shindig]

The ship's sailed on a second one. The negotiations are in about as full swing as we'll get.

[niko_cee]

Yeah, but the negotiations are only an attempt to continue the status quo forever, and when that turns out to be impossible one or both sides is going to agitate for an actual resolution.

[Lewis]

I'm not a political strategist (I'm Yevrah), but how would you even wage another remain campaign?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I don't know how the optimum remain strategy would go, but what the mugs would actually do (I'm assuming they would assemble a crack team of Ian Dunt, Jolyon the Lawyer etc) is call everyone stupid again by urging them to reconsider now they have 'the facts'.

Leave would have a tough job initially as they would once again need to get Deadly Dom on board and sideline the various morons that make up the public face of Leaving, but the silent majority would see them through in the end.

[Lewis]

The FACTS only have weight when you also admit that the European Union is involved in much more of our lives/politics than has ever been officially conceded ('It's only about trade!'), so that would be risky.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They would also do loads of Trump/Putin messaging, which, like the Obama shite last time, would backfire.

[Lewis]

Let's have it, and then onto voting whether to bring back hanging.

Elsewhere, lol at that Owen Smith bloke (if anyone remembers him) getting sacked to deflect from yet more anti-Semitism. Jezza defending the mural is quite funny as well. I believe that free speech covers racism, but he and everyone he's ever met doesn't, so lol at him using that as a defence, and lol out loud at the loser 'moderates' taking it up the chuff.

[Lewis]

He's changed his story to the tried-and-tested defence of being too stupid to know what he was doing. Which he is (he really fucking is), but that isn't great either.

[Shindig]

I don't know what you'd do with Remain besides actually campaigning. I assume Theresa May would be heading it. Stronger Together. Strong and Stable Government.

Leave wins by a landslide. Plus some Remainians (Eurgh) might vote leave under the premise that we've started negotiations and we can't turn the car around.

[ItalAussie]

Leave wins easily at this point. People would be irritated about having to vote again after a decision was reached, and would vote accordingly.

[Shindig]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6-IQAdFU3w

[phonics]

There won't be another referendum but quite a few people should be going to jail. As well as the Election Comission updating it's laws to take into account technological progress that happen after 1970.

[Lewis]

They just donned the regulations as only British outfits can. :cool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

They were fine on the regulations, there is just a very small cabal of pro-EU die hards who WANT rules to have been broken.

[niko_cee]

Isn't the wider point that the electoral commission had to take the (fairly ridiculous) position it did otherwise Remain would have been absolute toast on the expenditure front, as the quite excellent Deadly Dom is frequently at pains to point out? It would be beyond brilliant if Leave got done over by this latest bout of nonsense and then it turned out, on reflection, that Remain had spent millions through the government and through business that they really ought to have accounted for. Although, I suppose, at this point, misfeasance by either side might suffice for a declaration of invalidity in certain quarters.

[Lewis]

I think it comes down to who paid for the bus.

[Jimmy Floyd]

This Cadwalladr person is an absolutely ridiculous parody. She's just put this graphic up, there are no 'links' shown whatsoever. It's just a list of various right wing types she doesn't like.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZEzuZXWAAE3zaF.jpg

[Lewis]

She forgot Vladimir Putin.

[phonics]

I'm perfectly fine for you swanning up and arresting Gideon et al as well.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Carol Cadwalladr now calling for the select committee to drag Deadly Dom in for questioning. Why, does she want them to get donned all over again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvRHlEjWRSE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1Hh2O5naFQ

[Lewis]

I saw a few people lolling at his blog the other day as if he isn't the bloke who donned their entire world with Andrea Leadsom and a bus.

[Shindig]

I can't take the guy seriously they dragged in yesterday with the pink hair. It's like the Simpsons episode with Bush.

[Lewis]

https://dominiccummings.com/2018/03/28/on-the-referendum-24d-walter-mitty-cambridge-analytica-facebook-and-the-guardian-observer/


It is total rubbish to suggest that this (gathering targeting data) is difficult for a political campaign, let alone impossible. It can be done, start to finish, in less than an hour by someone who knows what they are doing. When I go and give evidence to the DCMS, which sadly will have to await multiple legal actions, I could demo why they were lied to by getting someone to start from scratch on a laptop at the start of the session and shouting ‘finished’ when the DCMS is running its own targeted Facebook ad campaign with zero use of electoral data.

Do it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've never seen Remainers as sheep-like, evidence-free and hypocritical as in the case of this non-story. They just really want it to work but there's nothing in it whatsoever. I don't know why an editor would even put it out there.

[Lewis]

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Imagine sitting and making that.

[Lewis]

Proper seething about Matthew d'Ancona having a round avatar and ruining the consistency as well.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Makes more sense than the Carole Cadwalladr chart, to be fair.

[Lewis]

Club Jezza really does make the 'Cybernats' and the UKIP wallies who used to lurk the Telegraph blogs section look like they weren't even bothered. The sheer amount of obsession that goes into it is astonishing, and that's before you even get to the brain injuries. It's like The Sorcerer's Apprentice but with a communist Harold instead of a brush.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The problem they have is he is old and useless, so when he has finally had enough, all they will have is a shitty left apparatus without the useless Christ figure to hold it all together.

It's also in the nature of left wing politics to tear itself apart through infighting (as when you start off trying to be ideologically pure there will then inevitably be fights about who is purest) so that will be fun to watch.

[Lewis]

The Conservative Party winning the post-Brexit election would at this point probably be funnier than Brexit itself.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Labour will win if they ditch Jeremy and his ilk and have a left-but-not-too-left uniting leader. People are fed up with public service cuts. If they keep the mentals, though, all bets are off.

[Lewis]

They mentals are the party now.

[Yevrah]

Corbyn could win the next election, no doubt about that.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Meanwhile, the worst mayor of all time Sadiq Khan continues to work his magic.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43610936

[Lewis]

Ed West (I think) said months ago that he would go down as one of those pre-Rudy 9/11iani New York mayors who just sat around overseeing a warzone, but fuck knows who anybody goes about displacing him or the next Labour pleb. It's probably them until the end of time now like in Detroit or wherever.

[Kikó]

How is this due to Sadiq?

[Jimmy Floyd]

How is this due to Sadiq?

Because it's happening on his watch.

[Kikó]

Is there anything he's done to cause it though? Unless he's encouraging moped and acid sales.

[Lewis]

I saw him in Hull last year and he is a proper manlet. When you think about it that probably explains a lot of what he's about.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Is there anything he's done to cause it though? Unless he's encouraging moped and acid sales.

Well no politician 'causes' their own situations unless they are in power for years. With him it's the fact he does fuck all except posture on Twitter and try to position himself for leader. Strangely he's basically Boris mkII.

[Boydy]

Does the mayor of London actually have any power?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Does the mayor of London actually have any power?

He has power (and budget) over things that are limited to London - so crime and police, most transport, housing and planning, development, and loads of other boring shit no doubt.

[Kikó]

I am genuinely interested though if he's done anything markedly different as he's getting stick on Twitter as well. He's letting the muslamics take over there.

I'm sure a statistician could blame today's changes on *counts back 18 years* Tony Blair.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Well his most high profile move so far has been to try and ban Uber, so you can see where his priorities are (internal Labour politicking to get unions behind him).

Faced with the acid attacks/moped attacks and sharp crime rise of the last two years, a strong mayor, so not him or Boris, would be out there every day barking about police cuts, increasing stop and search, and gripping the issue. He doesn't as there are too many special interest groups and community leaders to offend.

[phonics]

Didn't he get in a load of shit like a few months ago for saying that exact stuff?

It's almost like Jimmy is predisposed to dislike him and will use any stick to beat him with.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Or is it that with other people it is exactly the opposite?

[Lewis]

David Lammy was booting off at him when he said he wanted to increase stop 'n' search. You got any other ideas chief?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I would stop and search David Lammy.

[Lewis]

'One bottle of hot sauce. One decade old T4 ticket stub. One latex Chuka Umunna mask...'

[Jimmy Floyd]

Oh and here's Sadiq in 2015: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/sadiq-khan-i-d-do-everything-in-my-power-to-cut-stop-and-search-a2924706.html

Clearly a man who knows what he's talking about.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Bloody hell I just got that T4 reference. Incredible.

[phonics]

Oh and here's Sadiq in 2015: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/sadiq-khan-i-d-do-everything-in-my-power-to-cut-stop-and-search-a2924706.html

Clearly a man who knows what he's talking about.

And he called that a mistake and reversed his position. I'm anti-stop and search but I'm really not sure what you're criticising him for now. Just say you didn't know he'd changed his position which rendered your point moot. It's much easier than dragging up articles from 3 years ago. It's okay to be wrong on the internet occasionally.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He probably actually talked to black mothers in London who all want stop and search increased.

[Lewis]

"I'm seriously eclectic in my tastes!" booms David Lammy. The MP for Tottenham, one of the youngest and fastest-rising stars of New Labour, has laid out a series of CDs on the table before him by way of illustration. Sure enough, Marvin Gaye can be found next to David Gray, and Leonard Cohen - who Lammy's wife recently introduced him to - next to Bob Marley. "My record collection is like my life story. From the inner city to suburbia, it has many different influences."

It's like another world. Not least because 'booms' would be seen as a racist African strongman trope now.

[phonics]

I am genuinely interested though if he's done anything markedly different as he's getting stick on Twitter as well. He's letting the muslamics take over there.

I'm sure a statistician could blame today's changes on *counts back 18 years* Tony Blair.

Twitter loves Sadiq

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[Lewis]

That's who so-called strategic genius Vladimir Putin enlisted to deliver Brexit. What a wally.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Speaking of careerist Labour shitbags, I lolled earlier at these quotes/stories about David Miliband.

https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/status/981098069424070656

[Henry]

So it appears that the UK government were involved in trumping up intelligence again. Corbyn proven right again. Although he had dinner with the wrong Jews last week apparently.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It doesn't appear like that at all, unless you want it to.

[Lewis]

They seem to be latching onto Boris Johnson being a bumbling mess, which at this point most people have surely factored into the national life. He'll always be a hero for Brexit, but his stock has fallen dramatically hasn't it on first contact with an actually important job?

[phonics]

Imagine he'd won that leadership election. They'd have pulled down Nelsons Column and erected a statue of Lenin by now.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They seem to be latching onto Boris Johnson being a bumbling mess, which at this point most people have surely factored into the national life. He'll always be a hero for Brexit, but his stock has fallen dramatically hasn't it on first contact with an actually important job?

Why do you think Empress May put him there? Although he'd probably be a better PM than FS as the PM doesn't have any specific portfolio to bork.

Gove is the don out of the pair.

[Lewis]

You have to wonder how much actual work a Foreign Secretary does these days. I think it's probably like having the Ministry of Defence, where all of the actual content has either become a Prime Ministerial brief or stuck within certain parameters (handled by civil servants/the DEEP STATE [delete as appropriate]), leaving you with little more than a plush office and a bunch of tedious occasions to have your picture taken at. For example I can't imagine that he got all of these other countries on board with kicking Russian diplomats out.

Michael Gove is the man, so hopefully whoever takes over post-Brexit recognises that fact and makes him Chancellor.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Exactly, so it's the perfect job for opponents of Boris to put him in - he can't do much/any actual damage, but he will say something stupid on the telly once a month.

The kicking Russian diplomats out was apparently achieved with a bit of timely intelligence sharing.

[Henry]

It doesn't appear like that at all, unless you want it to.

They said they were certain that it came from the Russians. They were not.
What part of that do you quibble with?

[Spikey M]

They said words to the effect of ‘based on past instances of murdering geezers all over the shop, we’re not having that this wasn’t them’.

What part of that do you quibble with?

[Henry]

They said words to the effect of ‘based on past instances of murdering geezers all over the shop, we’re not having that this wasn’t them’.

What part of that do you quibble with?

That's not what they said in the first place.

[Spikey M]

What did they say then? Because all I’ve heard any of the leaders (of the countries that kicked Russian diplomats out) say is that Russia have done this shit too many times and that you can bet your arse that this was them too. That’s why Jezza and his Jew hating band of men in Red have been demanding evidence (as if any would be left) and whinging about assumptions from day one.

Edit: That’s not to say I’m not all for getting evidence before declaring guilt, but let’s not make out that this is anything like what Blair got up too.

[Henry]

What did they say then?

This is the deleted tweet, which is in line with their narrative to date.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/FO-tweet.jpg

[Spikey M]

Novichok was developed by Russia. It’s pretty easy to see how someone has got that confused.

[randomlegend]

"Confused" :D

Edit: Boris Johnson on whether it was produced in Russia: "“I asked the guy myself. I said “are you sure?” and he said “there’s no doubt”"

[Spikey M]

Well, it doesn’t get more confused than that, does it?

[phonics]

Anything Boris does is confused. "Sorry wife, didn't realise that bird I was shoving my knob in repeatedly wasn't you."

[Lewis]

Porton Down just says what it is and who could (and who could not) have made it, at which point other sources of intelligence - and basic common sense - fill in the gaps. Boris Johnson being a tit and getting ahead of himself doesn't sink any narratives or stop Jeremy Corbyn being a cretin.

[Henry]

Have they claimed that they have other sources of intelligence?

[Lewis]

Yeah, and they were defending not letting Jezza see it all earlier.

[Henry]

Yeah, and they were defending not letting Jezza see it all earlier.

"Earlier" as in after their shite about what the lab found was shown to be false? Terribly convenient that they had that but didn't mention it before.

Probably some dodgy bloke from Uzbekistan that they've paid to tell them what they want.

[Lewis]

They refused to share it ages ago. The 'Security Minister' (whatever that is) just happened to be defending it today.

[Boydy]

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[randomlegend]

Given the government have made Boris Johnson Foreign Secretary, they don't get to just disown everything he says with a "oh lol Boris said that? Yeah but he's got funny hair XD".

[niko_cee]

Wasn't the 'deleted tweet' actually a live tweeting thing of a speech which was mistyped?

And the stuff about Johnson, I've not seen the bit where he actually says the things he's being accused of, there's the "I checked with the guy, 100% bit" but what it is he checked or what was being confirmed doesn't seem to make it into the news soundbite.

I don't get the Labour position on this. I sort of get that they want to have a go at Boris at all times, but isn't there (quite a lot of) strategic risk in having Comrade Jez in his beret standing shoulder to shoulder with the Ruskis?

[Lewis]

I follow four people who follow that Mark Curtis. Three of them are Arab cranks, and the other is Peter Oborne, whose post-Telegraph breakdown gets weirder by the month. Nah mate.

[phonics]

Wasn't the 'deleted tweet' actually a live tweeting thing of a speech which was mistyped?

And the stuff about Johnson, I've not seen the bit where he actually says the things he's being accused of, there's the "I checked with the guy, 100% bit" but what it is he checked or what was being confirmed doesn't seem to make it into the news soundbite.

I don't get the Labour position on this. I sort of get that they want to have a go at Boris at all times, but isn't there (quite a lot of) strategic risk in having Comrade Jez in his beret standing shoulder to shoulder with the Ruskis?

As resident lefty with Boyd/Kiko. It's fucking embarassing. The last few weeks have convinced me that he's not principled, he's thick.

[Lewis]

I saw a blinding Hansard (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DY9_CufWsAE_Vi4.jpg) excerpt of his the other day. The sort of thickness to think that in 1986, when Hong Kong was a first world country and dirt poor China was into its fourth decade of stagnation after collectivism had killed sixty million of them, is mind-boggling. It must be amazing going through life being that dense but somehow not starving to death as a result.

[Henry]

Nothing like ignoring context, is there? The rest of the exchange is available if you search for it. Corbyn was not claiming that conditions in China were better in Hong Kong but refuting a claim made about urban versus rural living conditions in the industrial revolution made by his Tory opponent and making an observation about how unbridled capitalism had more recently also created slum conditions in Hong Kong. To the extent that he's making a comparison at all its in the relative trajectories that the countries were on. China was indeed growing rapidly by that point.

[Lewis]

Yeah and he's talking shit. If urban conditions during the Industrial Revolution were worse than the rural ones ('To claim that the movement of people from the land to urban centres resulted in an improvement in their living standards is to turn history on its head'), why did it coincide with an unprecedented rise in general life expectancies and consumption of everything and whatever else you want to associate with not being an illiterate subsistence-farming twat? It's almost as if technological developments in agriculture and industry ('People were forced off the land by mechanisation and an increased grab for profits by landowners') represent a progress of sorts for humanity. Poor communist countries tend to recognise that, so it's weird how socialists in rich Western countries are inclined to romanticise pre-Industrial misery that they themselves never have to experience. It's worth bearing in mind as well how people like Jezza tend to see all of this urban squalor and ignorance continuing until 1945, so you could probably include all of the early twentieth century improvements as well if you felt the need to labour the point (which I don't, because his beliefs are baseless enough). Anyway:


Michael Forsyth: I do not dispute the fact that in Hong Kong and in 19th century urban Britain conditions were squalid. I was simply saying that conditions in Britain at that time were much better than they had been previously in rural areas. I ask the hon. Gentleman to address his attention to the conditions which exist in the squalid flats of Hong Kong, which I have seen, compared to conditions which exist in Communist China. The conditions in Hong Kong are much better by far than they are in the sort of society that the hon. Gentleman supports.

Jeremy Corbyn: He should realise that the appalling social conditions in Hong Kong are the result of deregulated unbridled capitalism. The conditions enjoyed by people in China now, compared to 1948, are immeasurably better. The country has pulled itself up without the assistance of anybody else, but by collectivising its economy, its efforts and its energy. Starvation and poverty are not common in China as they were in 1948. Before the hon. Gentleman lectures the world on the way in which capitalism can improve living standards he should look at some of the countries which had to develop their own economies without the assistance of anybody else. I know that Conservative Members are now going on a "love China" spree. They should remember that the present prosperity in China is based upon a collective economy and not on an individual and market oriented economy.

I mean... The last lines are the key bit (and what my original post was lolling at). His implication is that Chinese-style collectivism would eventually (inevitably?) prove itself to be a superior system, as it was already leading to the 'present prosperity in China'; but not only had it definitely not done so over the preceding decades, but by this point China - which was indeed growing rapidly - had started to embrace the 'market orientated economy' he thinks they rejected, and had done so with reforms predicated on undoing the disastrous collectivisation of agriculture. So not only was his history bollocks, but he didn't even know what was happening at the time, presumably because - and this is relevant today insofar as everything he fucks up can be boiled down to this - his only sources of information about anything is other idiots he meets at idiot meetings.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Someone needs to create a new form of leftism that isn't either woolly new age shite, or based on the absolute garbage Marx wrote 150 years ago. Some sort of John Lewis stakeholder society sounds alright.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I don't know why anyone bothers arguing about Corbyn personally. He is an irrelevant front man buffoon in a crap suit, the real Labour leader is Seumas Milne.

[Lewis]

Phillip Blond and Maurice Glasman walk into a bar...

[Lewis]

Speaking of communism and malnourishment anyway, the Soft Drink Industry Levy ('Sugar Tax') comes into effect in a few minutes. Everyone who supports that is a cunt.

[Byron]

I don't see the point, an extra 25p is not going to make The Fatsons suddenly drop the full fat coke for spinach.

[Spikey M]

They’ve been inventing taxes for no reason beyond wanting more money since before Henners the 8th was lopping off heads.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Is it just on fizzy drinks, or are my Sainsbury's own brand fruit jellies for the car under threat as well?

[Henry]

Yeah and he's talking shit.

Perhaps, but the point he's making is a lot more subtle than "lol China is better than Hong Kong".

A fuller version of the exchange is here (https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/8554mv/corbyn_in_1986_praised_chinese_collectivism/).


If urban conditions during the Industrial Revolution were worse than the rural ones ('To claim that the movement of people from the land to urban centres resulted in an improvement in their living standards is to turn history on its head'), why did it coincide with an unprecedented rise in general life expectancies and consumption of everything and whatever else you want to associate with not being an illiterate subsistence-farming twat?

It didn't "coincide" with such things. Those eventually happened, and not merely because of the wonders of the free market. Life expectancy for example remained horribly low until the latter half of the 19th century, which just happens to be when agitation for reform and regulation begun to bear fruit.

So yeah, in the long term industrialisation was good for people but not so much for those initially caught up in it - who needed to be driven from the land using much violence (the great enclosures and so forth), just one of the things that makes a lie out of the entire framing of the narrative as something to do with free markets. "Communist" countries faced the same problem when trying to get people to industrialse. They just won't do it if left to their own devices.

[Lewis]

Public health (and Public Health Acts) in them days was largely concentrated around sewerage and clean water supplies, which were obviously going to lag behind in rapid urban developments, rather than people being squashed by machines and killed by shitty air quality (both of which were problems into the mid-twentieth century, but never such huge problems as to keep life expectancy static); but that is only part of the general rise in life expectancy and 'quality of life' (not all that much clean water in the sticks either) brought about by the wonderful market-driven progress we experienced here.

[Henry]

Of course Public Health Acts were only part of it. The point remains that it took some time, things were terrible in the interim (mortality rates increased for people moving to the cities) and when it did improve it wasn't just because of the market.

[Lewis]

Nothing is just because of anything, but there is a basic reason why all of this stuff happened here under certain political and economic conditions rather than under different ones (like those in China, for example, which as you know once led the world in most things). The political and Political improvements were slow-going in response to unprecedented conditions, but they happened, and 'organic' (for lack of a better word), market-driven industrialisation was infinitely more successful on all conceivable measures here and in America and elsewhere than twentieth century attempts by the likes of China and the Soviet Union - who didn't even have to invent all of the stuff in order to do it. Jezza making favourable comparisons ('Before the hon. Gentleman lectures the world on the way in which capitalism can improve living standards he should look at...') between what he thinks is the success of Chinese collectivism and his ideas about the Industrial Revolution (which I bet was based entirely on The Condition of the Working Class in England and The Age of Capital) is therefore mental.

[Spikey M]

At this point the only thing more ridiculous than standing up for Boris is standing up for Jezza.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They really need shot of him, generic Labour would do far better.

[Henry]

I'll return to Lewis later, but even if it was true that generic Labour would do better, who gives a fuck? Power is not its own end.

[Lewis]

In the unlikely event that the 'moderates' managed to take back control (arf) Owen Jones would probably have to get a sex change or something to stay relevant.

[Giggles]

Have any of you ever changed one of the others minds on anything yet?

Though, I've just pretty much described politics in general there.

[Lewis]

A new political party with access to up to £50m in funding has been secretly under development for more than a year by a network of entrepreneurs, philanthropists and donors keen to “break the Westminster mould”, the Observer can reveal. The movement, spearheaded by a former Labour benefactor, is understood to have been drawn up by a group frustrated by the tribal nature of politics, the polarisation caused by Brexit and the standard of political leadership on all sides. It appears to have a centrist policy platform that borrows ideas from both left and right.

lmao (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/07/new-political-party-break-mould-westminster-uk-brexit) lads just give up.

[Boydy]

God, I hate 'centrists'.

[Lewis]

Who was it the other day who said that, rather than more of the detached bollocks that bottled up all of the current issues, actual 'centrism' would be more NHS and no immigrants?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Actual centrism is pretty much what Vote Leave were going for (and got). London types remain utterly clueless as to what's going on in the outside world. They are just nostalgic for the pre-crash days when people like them got to decide everything and pay themselves loads.

[Lewis]

Someone should write an article rehabilitating Oswald Mosley as the original centrist. It's literally all there.

[Boydy]

Didn't Skidelsky pretty much do a book on that?

[Lewis]

Yeah, but I mean directly relating all of his main proposals to what contemporary 'centrists' advocate. Alternatively you could bash up a 'Centrist Manifesto' comprised entirely of Mosley quotes and then shop it around Remain Twitter hoping for a few plugs before anyone catches on.

[phonics]

It turns out that I did not cause Brexit.

https://i.imgur.com/5EZ1tnO.png

Shame.

[phonics]

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Get in the bin.

[Henry]

The UK should take military action against Tony Blair.

[Lewis]

I was too young to care about Iraq, and by the time I did care we were very much past the point of no return, but what is wrong with people on Syria? Whether or not they did this latest gassing (and I don't believe they did), how much more evidence do you need that nobbling the government was never a good idea? Leave it.

[Kikó]

So what's the solution? The man is committing atrocities on a frequent basis and the world is watching as it does.

[Lewis]

He's already won. Let him get it over with as quickly as possible.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

So what's the solution? The man is committing atrocities on a frequent basis and the world is watching as it does.

Well we've seen what happens with Iraq if you try and follow something through.

So many of these places seem to be tyrants or chaos, pick one and nothing else. Leave them to it.

[Shindig]

We leave Africa for the same reason. The 'best' solution is one from within.

[Henry]

"Leaving them to it" would constitute withdrawing support for other regional actors, such as Israel, Saudia Arabia and Turkey, and abandoning the belligerent stance against Iran. Let's not kid ourselves that not dropping bombs is staying out of it.

[Lewis]

We should do all of that as well.

[Pepe]

Agreed.

[Shindig]

Aye, although those nations are a bit closer to the fire.

[phonics]

Not a great look:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake/uk-refused-to-raid-lycamobile-citing-its-tory-donations?utm_term=.ji58GBmkB#.lcyYvrkxr



Confidential correspondence between British government officials and their French counterparts, shown to BuzzFeed News by a source in the UK, reveals that the French wanted British authorities to raid Lycamobile’s London headquarters last year and seize evidence as part of their investigation into money laundering and tax fraud by the company.


In an official response dated 30 March 2017, a government official noted that Lycamobile is “a large multinational company” with “vast assets at their disposal” and would be “extremely unlikely to agree to having their premises searched”.


The letter, from the team at HMRC that handles law enforcement requests from foreign governments, continued: “It is of note that they are the biggest corporate donor to the Conservative party led by Prime Minister Theresa May and donated 1.25m Euros to the Prince Charles Trust in 2012.”


The HMRC response went on to say that Lycamobile would be likely to challenge any raids on its properties in court and may succeed because the French request did not contain enough “solid information”. The request stalled, and Lycamobile’s UK offices were never searched.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbILKmiXcAAdnas.jpg

[phonics]

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lol

[Henry]

Saudi-led coalition strike kills at least 20 at wedding in Yemen (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/23/at-least-20-killed-as-airstrike-hits-yemen-wedding-officials-say)

Also "committing atrocities on a frequent basis", @Kiko.

Strangely, no harried calls for action or even much discussion of this. And remember who supplies the weapons.

[Magic]

Great reason to not go through with it.

[Lewis]

The Saudi Arabian 'intervention' there has got to be one of the shittest of its kind ever, which probably means they're stuck in it forever at the risk of losing serious face. They will probably end up doing some shithouse trade over Syria for it with Iran.

[Kikó]

Saudi-led coalition strike kills at least 20 at wedding in Yemen (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/23/at-least-20-killed-as-airstrike-hits-yemen-wedding-officials-say)

Also "committing atrocities on a frequent basis", @Kiko.

Strangely, no harried calls for action or even much discussion of this. And remember who supplies the weapons.

You don't bomb customers.

[Henry]

You don't bomb customers.

If commercial relationship is the deciding factor in who gets bombed, then maybe we should stop moralising about it?

[Raoul Duke]

Amber Rudd has resigned. Lol

[Magic]

Amber Fudd.

[Raoul Duke]

This is still one of the greatest images in political history (https://i.redd.it/hs473ec7fvu01.jpg)

[Shindig]

I'm glad I'm seeing that for the first time.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Top bombing from Theresa. Vacancy open. SEND FOR THE GOVE

[Lewis]

Give it to Philip Hammond, and then give Michael Gove his job. This all seems like a load of shit. The stuff with the colonials is merely a classic case of institutional incompetence, so conflating it with the more than worthwhile 'hostile environment' stuff is daft.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The last time a PM changed their own chancellor was (I think) John Major about 25 years ago. You can't touch the Treasury nowadays.

[phonics]

I'm amazed that blaming people below you who have access to all the details and just as many media contacts, didn't work as a political survival strategy.

[phonics]

Just when you start to have a bit of respect for ol' Lammy he goes and does this sort of stuff:

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Although some of the responses are top quality stuff:

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[John]

Are those the best ones? They're both crap and obviously written by arseholes.

[Disco]

What message is he actually trying to convey there? That he's about to rob parliament?

[Disco]

Are those the best ones? They're both crap and obviously written by arseholes.

The very definition of Twitter.

[Magic]

What message is he actually trying to convey there? That he's about to rob parliament?

Omar ain't no thief.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Lammy is a fucking tool, always has been and always will be. Attaching himself to various causes celebres does not affect this.

He's more Clay Davis than Omar.

[John]

Lammy is a fucking tool, always has been and always will be. Attaching himself to various causes celebres does not affect this.

He's more Clay Davis than Omar.

I was just thinking that he's opened himself up to some fairly heavy ridicule with the Wire reference. There are lots of cunty politicians in that show.

[Lewis]

Is that David Lammy taking the credit for this? Take your victories where you can find them I suppose.

[phonics]

Where are you supposed to go to see votes? The Windrush thing just happened and I'd like to see the numbers/who voted what but I have no idea where to find that stuff outside of waiting for journos to present a selective list.

edit: All I can find is a 'What's On' on parliament.gov and it doesn't even list the vote as happening and a link to this news piece on an app of how to see the votes (http://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-37826078/house-of-commons-app-to-show-how-mps-have-voted) AND THEY DONT TELL YOU THE FUCKING NAME OF IT

[Mike]

Just voted in the local elections. As always having a polling station in the pub is the only reason I’ve bothered

Cheers
https://i.imgur.com/agQk5It.jpg

[Spikey M]

Where are you supposed to go to see votes? The Windrush thing just happened and I'd like to see the numbers/who voted what but I have no idea where to find that stuff outside of waiting for journos to present a selective list.

edit: All I can find is a 'What's On' on parliament.gov and it doesn't even list the vote as happening and a link to this news piece on an app of how to see the votes (http://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-37826078/house-of-commons-app-to-show-how-mps-have-voted) AND THEY DONT TELL YOU THE FUCKING NAME OF IT

Yes it does.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I voted for the incumbent Residents again. The local Tory knocked on the door the other day and I said I vote for them nationally, but will never vote for them locally because they're a bunch of small time weasels. She responded to this by saying 'Well haven't you seen the changes the Residents have brought in?', I said 'What changes?' and she bottled it and went to the next door.

The Tories here are running on reversing the so-called 'Tennis Tax' whereby you have to pay two quid an hour or something to use the local courts. I genuinely couldn't give less of a shit about any conceivable issue, I don't think.

[Kikó]

Voting for the liberals tonight. I'm some how on their mailing lists which makes me think I've been Cambridge analytica'd or it's probably bought from Twitter.

[Kikó]

Vince thinks I live in Twickenham as well. Cheers Vince.

[Raoul Duke]

Voted Labour for ALL THE THINGS. Basically local politics around here (Tower Hamlets) are bananas as the Bengali crew all stick together and vote in local councillors to embezzle funds and sort their mates out with planning permission.

[Jimmy Floyd]

My local Labour candidate lives in a house on a posh road they bought for £1.3 million. Politics around here is a bit like Tower Hamlets, just with ciabatta instead of paratha.

[Lewis]

The biggest/flashest house round here always has Labour signs on its gates round election time. The man who owns it has a massive dog which bit somebody my mother knows, and his response was to pay somebody stronger to walk it for him. Isn't that basically how Stalin came to power?

[Henry]

So, all very boring then. Apart from UKIP. LOL at them.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Both main parties utter shite seems to be the public mood.

[Lewis]

The Conservative Party not exploding is pretty amazing. Obviously the actual party has to keep itself together, and obviously Labour being the mong party helps, but by what right is it winning councils and remaining 'there or thereabouts' in every opinion poll?

[Lewis]

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lmao

[Spikey M]

I didn’t even know he was still alive.

[Lewis]

He inhabits such a weird void of high-profile irrelevance. Too big a name to lower himself to one of those bullshit mayor jobs, like what Dan Jarvis has just got, but also lacking the constituency or connections to be in for one of the bigger ones, like what Dan Jarvis hopes to eventually get. He could probably have won a few admirers leading this anti-Semitism stuff, but he hasn't got the coconuts (or inclination) to stand up to the Jezza freaks, which is also why he won't ever be a prominent critic of the party. I bet he wishes he had had a bit more notice before the last election to line up a worthless university fellowship somewhere and call it a day.

[John]

Ed Miliband spends his time doing a podcast with some whopper who used to be on the radio. He isn't above anything, but he definitely has the name and connections to get a proper position if he wants it.

[phonics]

"I just got a Twitter account, I've heard it's a good way to stay informed about the issues of the day. Let's see what my local MP is up to."

https://i.imgur.com/OCc9SkS.png

Not following any of the Corbyn-nutters, I have no clue what's going on here. What is a Gammon?

[John]

A particular sort of right winger whose face looks like gammon when he gets angry.

[Lewis]

I suppose it is 'racist' insofar as it belittles people (partly) on account of their complexion, but imagine caring about something like that.

[Kikó]

Since when have the right wing been such snow flakes.

[niko_cee]

I assumed it was a derogatory term for one of the non-gammon eating peoples.

[Raoul Duke]

Dave Cameron loves a bit of gammon

[Magic]

I assumed it was a derogatory term for one of the non-gammon eating peoples.

Veggies?

[John]

Veggies?

There are a hundred other wank terms these days that would preclude gammon. My aunt, a standard issue vegetarian, has a mate who describes herself as a 'pescopollotarian', which is a vegetarian who also eats chicken and fish. I don't know why that needs a title, but apparently it does.

[Magic]

There are a hundred other wank terms these days that would preclude gammon. My aunt, a standard issue vegetarian, has a mate who describes herself as a 'pescopollotarian', which is a vegetarian who also eats chicken and fish. I don't know why that needs a title, but apparently it does.

Is that one of those gimps that won't touch RED MEAT as if it's some sort of radioactive, immediate cancer inducing cocktail of novichock laced food stuff?

[Lewis]

The chief strategist of the Vote Leave campaign has refused to appear in front of MPs, risking possible censure from the House of Commons but also raising questions about what more can be done when a witness ignores the will of parliament. Dominic Cummings, who has been credited as the brains behind the successful Brexit campaign, told the select committee investigating fake news that he would not be willing to answer questions in public before the Electoral Commission finishes its ongoing investigation into his campaign. The digital, culture, media and sport committee said this was not a valid excuse and issued a formal summons through parliament’s serjeant-at-arms, demanding that Cummings appear before it by the end of May. Cummings rejected this summons, angering MPs on the committee who wanted to ask questions about the use of Facebook data during the EU referendum campaign.

Go on (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/17/vote-leave-strategist-dominic-cummings-refuses-to-appear-before-mps) lad. Turns out he wrote a blog (https://dominiccummings.com/2018/05/10/on-the-referendum-24g-grandstanding-mps-and-the-zoolander-inquiry/) on it last week as well:


I said that if they issued a Summons instead of discussing possible dates like reasonable people, then it would be obvious they are not interested in friendly cooperation to uncover the truth. So I will not give evidence to this Committee under any circumstances.

What a legend. I would love to give it the large'un like that.

[phonics]

They've been giving Mark Zuckerberg summons for months now, he's said he's far too busy. They said how about this date, and once again said no. 2 days later they announce that he'll be at the EU version of the inquiry instead.

[Lewis]

Did they threaten to arrest him like we did? He must have a holiday booked.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Those committees are nothing to do with discovering truth and everything to do with MPs getting on telly. They act like small time local councillors.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Dominic Cummings has told friends he *will* turn up to watch the Commons debate on his failure to attend a Commons select committee —— from the public gallery in the Commons.

We are not worthy.

[Lewis]

Legend. His blogs on it have all been top drawer as well. Meanwhile, Theresa May needs booting out sooner rather than later.

[phonics]

This has got confusing. Davis is mad at May over something called 'a backstop' which doesn't seem to be either or the two plans they already presented that I didn't understand either. And theyre voting on it all next week?

[Raoul Duke]

Legend. His blogs on it have all been top drawer as well. Meanwhile, Theresa May needs booting out sooner rather than later.

Who do you replace her with? Gove?

[Jimmy Floyd]

If ever there was a situation for Gove to become PM, this is probably it. Whatever people think about him, he is clever and bright and bold (TM 0/3).

He is fucking bad at politics but utterly brilliant at government.

[Raoul Duke]

Is he Strong and Stable though?

(also he's a total fucking shitcunt, but anyhoo)

[phonics]

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/seriouslytheworst/images/8/8f/Nf-pob.jpg

[Lewis]

Yes, Michael Gove. He should have had David Davis' job in the first place, and the fact he never probably revealed how they intended to fuck everything up.

[Lewis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqwxVNJrPFg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBXj5l6ShpA

Who did it better?

[Shindig]

Those committees are nothing to do with discovering truth and everything to do with MPs getting on telly. They act like small time local councillors.

I dunno. I found out how shit my bosses were when they appeared in front of one.

[Boydy]

Want to see the most cringeworthy thing that has ever existed?

Of course you do.

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[Lewis]

This latest Brexit capitulation sounds ominous. There is always the hope that Europe rejects it, or that somebody gets rid of Theresa May, but if we end up leaving ('leaving') on anything like these terms then everyone behind it - planning and supporting - wants blowing up.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm cool with it, except that it might bring Corbyn back into play as a Brexit Means Brexit champion.

[Lewis]

I'm not, and I won't be voting for the Conservative Party again until they promise to leave properly.

[Boydy]

What have they come up with?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Not going to happen. Too much remain cultural power and too close a result. I'll take any sort of de jure Brexit as it'll get what I wanted when I voted Leave in the first place, which is not having to go along with their imperial bollocks a few years down the line.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Me and Carswell are the true believers. Getting fisted up the arse together.

[Shindig]

What we need is for a joint Political Ad from both parties admitting they can't manage this.

[phonics]

Not going to happen. Too much remain cultural power and too close a result. I'll take any sort of de jure Brexit as it'll get what I wanted when I voted Leave in the first place, which is not having to go along with their imperial bollocks a few years down the line.

Is a shit Brexit really better than the status quo?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I personally don't mind the 'status quo' (i.e. 1995-2015), but really there is no status quo. The 1995-2015 situation won't just roll along forever. Long term the options are going into the Euro and accepting political union, or out. And because the nations of Europe (especially the retarded one with 28 state) ultimately just don't have much in common and the first option will not work, I choose out.

[Lewis]

'Out of Europe, but still run by Europe.'

[Giggles]

The bulldog won't be happy :D

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[Lewis]

I'm still yet to find out which part of the Good Friday Agreement commits us to being in a customs union with Ireland for the rest of time. Was that on the ballot paper (to coin a phrase) at the time?

[Spikey M]

With ISIS winding down at least we have someone waiting in the wings.

[Giggles]

I'm still yet to find out which part of the Good Friday Agreement commits us to being in a customs union with Ireland for the rest of time. Was that on the ballot paper (to coin a phrase) at the time?

The whole agreement should be scrapped and a proper border threw up.

[Lewis]

Definitely. It was always a disgrace, but I don't think it was that much of a sell-out that it made Northern Ireland a European protectorate, which people seem to think it did. What a twat Michael Gove was earlier BOTTLING IT all over the telly. If they can't even deliver a proper Brexit then the Conservative Party in its current form serves no purpose whatsoever, and the spectre of Jeremy Corbyn means nothing.

[Henry]

If I have it right, the British Cabinet have agreed between themselves what their negotiating position should be. At this stage.

Shambles.

[Jimmy Floyd]

David Davis is a twat.

[mugbull]

On the topic of popular referendums and how shit they are, there’s a proposition on the ballot in California that asks to partition the state into 3 different ones. It’s funded by a Silicon Valley cryptocurrency magnate, lol

It’s polling 17-72 right now, thankfully, but at some point I wonder if “the people” choosing the outcome of an important geopolitical decision, like in Brexit, should be utterly disregarded. It’s a stupid, stupid way to get anything done, people will vote a certain way just for the “drama”, so why fucking listen to anything they have to say

[phonics]

I have several friends who are still on the Pro Remain, Pro Jezza Camp. I've tried to tell them a million times that Corbyn hates the EU more than most of the Conservative Party but they don't seem to believe me. They keep saying that he'll put out a second referendum. From Right to Left, from Conservative to Labour, I don't think so many people have lied to themselves for so long about what's happening.

I'm absolutely loving this though

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"We thought he was incompetent and not up to the challenge intellectually so we kept him in that position for 2 years"