The little things in life that fuck you off

[igor_balis]

Bruh really knows his onions.

[-james-]

Bike's been nicked. Fuck. Off.

[Spikey M]

That's a right kick in the onion bag.

[SincereTheRebel]

Bike's been nicked. Fuck. Off.

Where you on it while it was stolen?

[Giggles]

Where does one stash a penny farthing?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Bike theft is a farce in England and I presume in Scotland too. You basically can't own one.

[Disco]

I never leave mine anywhere other than inside the house, if someone pinches it the police treat you as if you're wasting their time.

[-james-]

It was in the garage under our building. It's fairly secure so I do wonder if it's an inside job.

It definitely wasn't the wisest choice keeping it there but it had been there untouched for four or five years. We live up six flights of stairs so any convenience a bike offers is evaporated if you've got to carry it up and down that every time.

I think whoever did it got away with 5-10 of them, fair play m8.

[Shindig]

So you kept it where the cars live? Smart.

[mugbull]

Did you have a U-lock? That’s the only one that really works, though i guess an experienced welder could still probably steal it

[Giggles]

It was in the garage under our building. It's fairly secure so I do wonder if it's an inside job.

It definitely wasn't the wisest choice keeping it there but it had been there untouched for four or five years. We live up six flights of stairs so any convenience a bike offers is evaporated if you've got to carry it up and down that every time.

I think whoever did it got away with 5-10 of them, fair play m8.

With cordless 4” grinders so cheap these days there’s nothing you can put on to stop anyone anyway. I keep one in the van at all times in case I’m ever clamped.

[igor_balis]

Calling it a thing that "fucks me off" is over-egging it a bit, but we don't have a "The little things in life that weird you out a bit, and make you a bit confused" thread, so it's going here.

I'm still following one of my mate's ex girlfriends on instagram, cus I can never be arsed to cull people (and because I'm the kind of weirdo who does sometimes think "hmm, wonder what FRIEND OF A FRIEND I MET TWICE IN 2014 is up to at the moment?"). She always seemed pretty nice, but quite boring. At the end of last year she spent fucking weeks posting about how excited she was to be going to Disneyland, Florida, and then spent the whole fortnight posting selfies with Mickey Mouse and shit. I mean, I find that a bit off as it is, especially as she's like 34, but FAIR ENOUGH, I'm probably just bitter that people can earnestly enjoy stuff which hasn't been put through the ironization machine first.

Then the last week or so I vaguely noticed she'd been drip feeding loads more photos from the trip, which I thought was a bit much considering it was like 3 months ago, but today I actually looked a bit closer and they weren't photos from her previous trip, she's just gone on another two week trip to Disneyland, Paris. THREE MONTHS LATER. Isn't that fucking weird? She's recently got married, and in loads of photos the husband had that tired, cold smile of someone trying desperately to appear like they're enjoying themselves.

[Boydy]

I fucking hate adults who are too into Disney.

Also Harry Potter.

Grow up, smoke a fucking cigarette.

[SincereTheRebel]

Add Star Wars to that list the fucking dickheads.

[igor_balis]

100%

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Yeah, what losers :uhoh:

[phonics]

Looked into sending myself off to rehab. 50k a week lol.

What are you supposed to actually do to kick the shit.

[Spikey M]

Add any Superhero film ever made.

I used to work with a Disney fanatic. She had Disney stationary, clothes, hair stuff, shoes. The works. She even got married at Disneyland. Their marriage lasted about 18 months and I bet their divorce certificate is stamped with a fucking Mickey Mouse head. Hated the cunt. I hope she's still miserable.

[Lewis]

Smiff, describing me as 'nice guy, shit life' is exactly the opposite.


Nah, I reckon you exaggerate both. Act a bigger cunt than you probably are, claim your life is greater than it is. I mean, if it was such a nice life would you spend so much time on a message board instead of actually living life to your full potential?

I don't know. I sense you wear something of a mask. Hence the Rocky.

*nine hours later*


Looked into sending myself off to rehab. 50k a week lol.

What are you supposed to actually do to kick the shit.

Honestly never witnessed such a donning.

[Spikey M]

:D

[Lewis]

A throwaway exchange involving Smiffy results in a mental breakdown. BUT YOU'LL NEVER BELIEVE THE TWIST.

[Shindig]

Can it be counted as a breakdown when he's been an addict for years? I still remember when he went off it claiming, "I HAVE MULTIPLE PERSONALITY ISSUES!" like a proud Pavel.

[phonics]

Lol nah I'm fucked boys. I need out of this country ASAP or to meet some bird that means I'll never have to exist within the city centre. Any time I walk home I run into 2-3 seperate groups where it all goes a bit Pete Tong.

Worked out I spent around 3.5k on Coke,Weed and Booze this month. If I removed rent/tax/insurance that's nearly 85% of my salary.

edit: @Shindig (https://www.thethirdhalf.co.uk/member.php?u=68), fuck off you bellend. Recognising you're a flawed human being isn't a bad thing. You should try it. Might sort out your issue with trans people you've never met.

[Lewis]

Move back to Guildford and we'll be mates.

[phonics]

Thought you were in Portsmouth? Can I walk the dog?

I'm looking at basically wangling a way to get paid Swiss Wage but live in England 4 days a week and buy a flat in Bristol. That's the dream.

[Lewis]

It's only like forty minutes away. I went there for a mooch about a couple of weeks ago.

[phonics]

Godalming is actually my home. I barely recognize Guildford anymore as I moved out of it before I was a big boy. Went back a few years ago and it was like an episode of Booze Britain on the streets.

[Lewis]

That's even closer. Spot on.

[phonics]

It's wild thinking back at how different the UK is from when I left it. The year or so before I moved to Geneva, the first Pizza Express opened in town and it was treated like high end foreign cuisine had arrived. They served garlic bread without you even ordering it! Like being on the continent.

[phonics]

I think I could get to Brendan O'Neill levels of culture war fame if I just built an entire political theory about the end point of Stiff Upper Lip Britain being when we started calling them paninis rather than a ham and cheese toasty.

[Kikó]

This is the coke talking.

[phonics]

Nah, this is pure lack of sleep now. Think I've slept 4 hours in 4 days and now I'm so tired I'm blisteringly awake.

[Kikó]

Whisky and some ket. Bosh.

[Luca]

Looked into sending myself off to rehab. 50k a week lol.

What are you supposed to actually do to kick the shit.

I thought this was an exaggeration, and then (in a fit of ennui) found a place charging CHF 93k per week.

Does the Swiss state not have alternatives?

[phonics]

I thought this was an exaggeration, and then (in a fit of ennui) found a place charging CHF 93k per week.

Does the Swiss state not have alternatives?

Having checked, yes, however they all appear to just be insane asylums with a drug addict wing.

TTH Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest could be top stuff though.

edit: I did find one dedicated place, you can only check yourself in on every 3rd Monday of the month though. Good stuff.

[Luca]

Having checked, yes, however they all appear to just be insane asylums with a drug addict wing.

TTH Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest could be top stuff though.

edit: I did find one dedicated place, you can only check yourself in on every 3rd Monday of the month though. Good stuff.

Nice one. At that point, it's just an AA meeting.

[phonics]

Nah you stay for the month but thats the only time they accept new patients. Like, are you supposed to time your rock bottom?

[phonics]

Lol and they only accept peoiple between 12-2pm on that day. Like how autistic are you expecting your drug addicts to be?

[Luca]

AA meeting in the sense that it's some regularly-scheduled thing, instead of coinciding with when you actually need the help.

That's so Swiss. :D

[Jimmy Floyd]

Guildford is a bizarre place. The section of posh people who live there reckon it is the absolute bee's knees and as classy as it gets, but it's actually a dive full of low lifes and druggies.

One of my mates lives there in a pokey flat up on the hill above the river and as if I can be arsed trying to park there and walking twenty minutes to some overpriced tip, so he always comes to me.

[phonics]

Guildford is a bizarre place. The section of posh people who live there reckon it is the absolute bee's knees and as classy as it gets, but it's actually a dive full of low lifes and druggies.

Funnily enough, my other home town Tonbridge-Wells is exactly the same. I have as much hometown pride as the next man but I have to say Guildford is just a shit York.

[Lewis]

Haslemere meet this summer boys.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Even more so with Tunbridge Wells. I was amazed when I went there, even though I had built in the knowledge that everywhere in Kent is a hole. It's more or less an actual tip, and yet is the national by-word for pampered Tory utopia.

You have to go small to find all the good places in the home counties. You can drive across and have all these beautiful little villages and roads in dappled sunlight, and then suddenly someone slaps Reading, or Crawley, or fucking Basingstoke in the way and you wonder what the hell was the need.

[phonics]

Haslemere's shit. Come down to Farncombe, I've got a connection at the Working Mans Club that can get us 50% off on the pool table. They'll probably throw in a milk for free if there's enough of us having drinks.

[phonics]

Even more so with Tunbridge Wells.

lol did I actually spell the town I was born in wrong?

[phonics]

lol did I actually spell the town I was born in wrong?

Don't worry lads, checked my passport and I'm technically listened under Pembrury so it's only half embarassing.

[Jimmy Floyd]

You did, although Tonbridge with an o and no Wells is just up the road so it's easily done.

[Shindig]

Yeah, that confused me once when I had to book assessments there.

[bruhnaldo]

I fucking hate adults who are too into Disney.

Also Harry Potter.

Grow up, smoke a fucking cigarette.


Add Star Wars to that list the fucking dickheads.

Fellas, as someone who lives in Florida and lived in Orlando can I just tell you that I fucking despise all of these cunts. They have annual passes so they go basically every day and take the same exact fucking pictures every single time. This one chick I know has "home!" at Harry Potter land on her IG story 3 times a fuckin week.

How in the fuck can someone enjoy some shit like that? And don't get me started on these fucking Epcot fucks. OmG you're drinking overpriced bullshit next to a gigantic golf ball fuck me please send more shots of this

[bruhnaldo]

Half of these dumb assholes I go to Orlando City games with are like this. You're grown ass adults. You don't need to wait 2 1/2 hours in line to buy a fuckin lightsaber.

[bruhnaldo]

Calling it a thing that "fucks me off" is over-egging it a bit, but we don't have a "The little things in life that weird you out a bit, and make you a bit confused" thread, so it's going here.

I'm still following one of my mate's ex girlfriends on instagram, cus I can never be arsed to cull people (and because I'm the kind of weirdo who does sometimes think "hmm, wonder what FRIEND OF A FRIEND I MET TWICE IN 2014 is up to at the moment?"). She always seemed pretty nice, but quite boring. At the end of last year she spent fucking weeks posting about how excited she was to be going to Disneyland, Florida, and then spent the whole fortnight posting selfies with Mickey Mouse and shit. I mean, I find that a bit off as it is, especially as she's like 34, but FAIR ENOUGH, I'm probably just bitter that people can earnestly enjoy stuff which hasn't been put through the ironization machine first.

Then the last week or so I vaguely noticed she'd been drip feeding loads more photos from the trip, which I thought was a bit much considering it was like 3 months ago, but today I actually looked a bit closer and they weren't photos from her previous trip, she's just gone on another two week trip to Disneyland, Paris. THREE MONTHS LATER. Isn't that fucking weird? She's recently got married, and in loads of photos the husband had that tired, cold smile of someone trying desperately to appear like they're enjoying themselves.

I'll be honest I skipped this wall of text at first but imagine this scenario except it's the same cunts going to the same park taking the same pictures every single week.

Mind you, having such friends means I could get into Disney for free at any time, the problem is they've ruined it for me I never want to go.

Lived in Orlando 7 years didn't go once.

[Luca]

The annual pass is $1,300. :D

It’s absolute noncery. I went as an adult as we have some friends who have one of the on-prem apartments (they’ve got 7 grandkids under the age of 10) and it was...fine? Certainly not somewhere I’d be clamouring to go back to.

[bruhnaldo]

It's somewhat cheaper I think by a couple hundred if you're a Florida resident but still.

[Pepe]

When I was working as a waiter the bosses took us all to Disney once. It was fun, I smoked pot with the crazy Puerto Rican woman and we lolled at the Guatemalans who were about to faint after getting on a rollercoaster for the first time.

[bruhnaldo]

For those who are unawares, nearly all Hispanic folks in Florida carry some type of flag insignia (especially on vacation), so Pepe assuming their country of origin wasn't a stereotype based on anything personal, they were very likely very easily identifiable.

[Pepe]

Or they all worked with me and we talked frequently, so I knew exactly where everyone involved was from.

[bruhnaldo]

I can't imagine any of you are fun at parties

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Or they all worked with me and we talked frequently, so I knew exactly where everyone involved was from.

Clearly a racist cunt.

[Pepe]

I can't be racist.

[Disco]

Pepe is too brown to be racist, he can only be a criminal or maybe a baseball player.

[Shindig]

Having recently watched videos of someone at Disneyland, the thing that puts me off the most is the unstoppable loud and unbearable music.

[Mike]

I like the Marvel and Star Wars films, and I've seen Harry Potter, but I still believe you should only be allowed to Disneyland if there is a child in your group.

[niko_cee]

Yeah, there are probably some extenuating circumstances where it's ok, but fuck the childless at Disney. The ones who queue up to meet the characters need immediate loading into a large mincing machine.

[igor_balis]

I've not touched the thermostat in my house for about 3 months since the girls had an eppy and one posted passive aggressively into the group chat "the heating bill is getting REALLY expensive so can we not just keep putting the temperature up :)".

This was for the fact that the first properly cold month of the year led to us having to pay FOUR QUID MORE EACH!!! Ye gads. But when I replaced the coffee with the fairtrade one from the co-op i was chastised for not getting the fairtrade AND organic one. Cus that IS a necessity. Daft bitch. "oooh I'm a bit of a snob!! :)" , no you're a bit of a fucking idiot.

Anyway, this morning I felt uncharacteristically cold, so pumped up the thermostat from 17 to TWENTY DEGREES! Like I said, first time I've even touched the stupid thing for 3 months or so. Just fancied getting out of the shower into a warm room for once. 30 minutes later she knocks on the door, "Ummmm, Igor, couldn't help but notice the thermostat was on 20, we have to be reaaally careful with the boiler, cus it is getting really expensive"...

I was too bleary to just say to fuck off, so I just sighed audibly, and said "look if it's that much of an issue I'll pay a bit extra...", and she had the gall to be like "yeah okay i'll hit you up with the details to pay".

For once I actually hope she does communicate this sort code and account number passive aggressively in the group chat so I can inform her that I've paid 17p for the half hour I turned up the heat. with a :) xx at the end, of course.

[igor_balis]

I really showed her with my audible sigh, I know. But I was tired alright.

[Lewis]

This isn't the 'I got donned' thread. :confused:

[igor_balis]

This isn't the 'I got donned' thread. :confused:

:D I fucking KNEW i'd get that exact response from you, dickhead. Can I redeem myself by doing something outrageous in response? Maybe write a jaunty ironic rap about her?

[Spikey M]

You're making 3 errors:

1) You're in a group chat. Leave it.

2) You're part of a communal coffee club? Get your own shit. Leave it.

3) You're living with other people. Leave it.

Actually,

4) You're the cold one in the house? Leave it (out you tart).

[phonics]

You made the right choice but did it the wrong way. You should have called her a tight-arse, said you'll pay the extra because it's no bother to you because you're making that baller money but considering you're doing x she can do y.

[igor_balis]

You're making 3 errors:

1) You're in a group chat. Leave it.

2) You're part of a communal coffee club? Get your own shit. Leave it.

3) You're living with other people. Leave it.

Actually,

4) You're the cold one in the house? Leave it (out you tart).

1) yeah I would do but there's only 3 of us, and it would just make things unnecessarily awkward, but...

3), 4) yeah I am, contract runs out end of June, so fuck it.

2) I extricated myself from that ages ago.

[Disco]

Disappointed that they didn't talk more about the scam that Rich Energy is. Would have been far more interesting.

So you end up paying and sound like a twat, sounds like a winner.

You should go the other way and keep turning it down.

[Lewis]

In the second year of my Norwich house share I got the electric/gas bills in my name and simply removed myself from the gas bill. My radiator was bust, and all the foreigners wanted the heating on all day and night, so fuck them they could pay for it. I still used to turn it off every now and again to annoy the Pakistani lass though, to the point where she refused to acknowledge my existence for the last year of me being there.

[Giggles]

Why do people who live in the same house need a group chat? Just to have one?

[Spikey M]

So that they can snipe at each other from the comfort of their own rooms.

[igor_balis]

In the second year of my Norwich house share I got the electric/gas bills in my name and simply removed myself from the gas bill. My radiator was bust, and all the foreigners wanted the heating on all day and night, so fuck them they could pay for it. I still used to turn it off every now and again to annoy the Pakistani lass though, to the point where she refused to acknowledge my existence for the last year of me being there.

where did you live? i just googled your name and norwich and it brings up a 192 record that shows you living in a house with a bunch of people with the surname "manning" which is just perfect :lol:

[Lewis]

I lived on Primula Drive, which is right near the university. I used to write how much was owed and stick it on the front door like a passive-aggressive freak.

[Offshore Toon]

Why do people who live in the same house need a group chat? Just to have one?
It's mostly just for passive-aggressive nonsense, but it's also good for useful information and jovial banter.

[phonics]

Forgot my credit card expired this month. Wondered why I wasn't getting Second Captains.
Giggles send me todays football show pls.

[Giggles]

Already swiped it.

[phonics]

Turns out they sent me a new card but my aversion to opening bills made me ignore it.

[Giggles]

You’re minted anyway, you could subscribe for us all. I only listed to about 5 a month anyway and I can imagine they’re ones you skip.

[phonics]

Paying wasnt the problem. Form of payment was.

[Shindig]

Everyone can relate to this one: Local place names being mispronounced.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRlZ_Wo6nuc

I was watching this (because I was like, man, I haven't been on the Metro in ages) and this fella's video whilst, insightful for all the station and line trivia, pissed me off no end with his handling of station names.

- Monkwearmouth. He pronounces it Monkswearmouth. Consistently, without fail. He also goes on about how the old station building has been a museum for football since 1978. It hasn't. It was a transport museum until it ran out of funding a couple of years back. You'd think a train nut would know this.
- Fawdon. Say that one to yourself. Does it sound like Fowden? It fucking shouldn't.
- Stanhope. One word. Not Stan Hope.
- Consett. Pronounced Consitt. Not Con Sett.
- Ponteland. Pon Te Land. Not Ponty Land.

[Ian]

Scottish people get more arsey about this than people I've encountered anywhere else. Heaven forfend that to you, an English person who's never heard them said before, do not immediately appreciate that the pronunciation of Chatelherault or Milngavie isn't exactly as it looks.

A guy I went to uni (i.e. when I was in Scotland for the first time) used to be a particular dick about it so I took to showing him English ones and then lolling at him for being a thick cunt when he didn't magically know how to pronounce those. He soon gave it a rest.

[Shindig]

I'd have forgiven him for some of them if it wasn't for the fact one of the other routes he does mentions how Chichester is pronounced Chy Chester up here. So he did the research on that but decides Monkwearmouth needs a phantom s and Faw is Fow.

[bruhnaldo]

- Monkwearmouth.

MON-kwhere-muhth


- Fawdon.

FAW-dunn

- Stanhope.

STAN-hup

- Consett.

KAHN-sit

- Ponteland.

POINT-lun

[Giggles]

There’s piles here that you need to be local to pronounce.
A few of the larger ones.
Dun Laoghaire - Done Leery
Drogheda - Draw-head-a
Portlaoise - Port-Leash

[Smjffy]

Caergwrle
Ffynnongroyw
Gwernymynydd
Rhydymwyn
Yr Wyddgrug

Top five in Flintshire. :D

[randomlegend]

There's some proper nonsense ones in Norfolk. Costessey is cossy, wymondham is wind(rhymes with tinned)-um, Garboldisham is gar-ve-shum, etc.

[Disco]

I remember Towcester and Bicester (Toaster and Bisster) catching me out back in the day.

[Shindig]

Towcester caught me out as well. I also got double-bluffed by Rayleigh once because I thought was pronounced Rawleigh.

[Raoul Duke]

There's a place I visited in Cornwall called, I shit you not, Mousehole. Pronounced Mau-zull

[Luca]

Etobicoke (a suburb of Toronto) is a good one. Eh-tobe-ih-coe

[Jimmy Floyd]

There are local natives who get Holborn in London wrong. If you pronounce the L you should be exiled.

[Disco]

Have I been pronouncing the tobacco wrong all these years?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Old Hoban.

[niko_cee]

Jimmy's wrong, 'hobun' only works if in High Holborn, otherwise I reckon you go with the 'l', fuck consistency.

[Shindig]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZXMch9Fi7Y

He's a timely example. They are skirting very close to calling him Joe Ellington.

[Spikey M]

I remember Towcester and Bicester (Toaster and Bisster) catching me out back in the day.

War-wick did me in when I first went to Coventry.

[Ian]

Stivichall and Cheylesmore are good ones in Coventry for nonsense spelling / pronunciation.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Jimmy's wrong, 'hobun' only works if in High Holborn, otherwise I reckon you go with the 'l', fuck consistency.

Wiki agrees with me. We can start a feud over this if you're game.

[Giggles]

The scrotes have obtained some bangers and fireworks to amuse themselves. Wonderful.

[Giggles]

TikTok needs to be put to death.

[bruhnaldo]

I tohught The 1975 were releasing a new album this Friday but apparently it's been push backed to late May and I just now realized this and I'm fucking UPSET !

[Boydy]

Ordered some stuff on Amazon and forgot to change the delivery address so it's going to my parents' house.

I'm an idiot. :moop:

[Jimmy Floyd]

I have the opposite problem that I can't get anyone to deliver out of hours, which fucks me over as I am, remarkably, not here during hours.

Got a sun lounger arriving (come at me, boys) I know not when, how, or by what means. It's just in Britain, in a van, somewhere, some time, not moving.

[Spikey M]

You live too close to London to be allowed a garden?

[Giggles]

Get everything delivered to work.

[Lewis]

Ordered some stuff on Amazon and forgot to change the delivery address so it's going to my parents' house.

I'm an idiot. :moop:

Lofty, how should he approach this?

[bruhnaldo]

Can't you just edit the shipping details or has it already shipped etc?

[Boydy]

Can't you just edit the shipping details or has it already shipped etc?

Already shipped. I only realised when I got the email telling me it had dispatched.

[niko_cee]

Get your cousin to pick it up for you.

[Shindig]

We need some good lockdown moans

- Families walking / cycling side by side so they block the pavement ahead of you. You never did this shit when life was normal. Fuck off.
- The six foot rule leading to people really, really trying to avoid each other when passing.
- The checkout lad whose sole small talk is "Are you doing anything nice this weekend/today/tonight?"

[Baz]

Is there a way to set up a keyword email alert for crowdfunded stuff I might be interested in backing, on sites like indiegogo and Kickstarter? I’ve only just learned about a book I definitely would have backed.

Incidentally, does anyone in the US wanna buy and send me this book (https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=30410151561&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-tile1&searchurl=kn%3DBrandon%2BNovak%2Bchronicles%26sort by%3D17) and not charge me ridiculous amounts (double the price of the item) for shipping, please? :rosebud:

Isn’t shipping from US->UK like $15? They’re trying to charge closer to $75. :sick: Gimme a number, total.

[Jimmy Floyd]

At the moment US to UK air freight is around 4 times as much as usual, no one will find it cheaper than that.

[Danny]

Checking in USPS Jim is right. The basic flat rate stuff is between $37 and $65.

It’s likely they are having to select the specific flat rate type that’s on the higher end to get the book in there.

[Boydy]

My upstairs neighbours seem to be doing some sort of workout that includes a lot of jumping about.

[Baz]

Checking in USPS Jim is right. The basic flat rate stuff is between $37 and $65.

It’s likely they are having to select the specific flat rate type that’s on the higher end to get the book in there.
Doh! Thanks for checking, I guess. Let’s reconvene when the world isn’t ending.

[Danny]

Doh! Thanks for checking, I guess. Let’s reconvene when the world isn’t ending.

:thbup:

Depending on when that is I might be able to get it over there for free since my mam is trying to visit. Tickets booked with Virgin for June :face:

[Spikey M]

Would shipping be cheaper? It'd take about 7 years, but might be worth a look.

[Kikó]

My upstairs neighbours seem to be doing some sort of workout that includes a lot of jumping about.

Giggidy.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Would shipping be cheaper? It'd take about 7 years, but might be worth a look.

As in putting it on a ship? No one would put a book on a ship.

[Spikey M]

As in putting it on a ship? No one would put a book on a ship.

I thought Ye Olde method of shipping involved 'renting' x% of a container, waiting until you have enough orders to fill it, and sending it? If it's a company selling more than just books I don't see why they couldn't sent it that way.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Probably quicker to get a squadron of monkeys with typewriters and wait for them to happen upon the full text.

[Disco]

Just read it to him over Zoom or something.

[Spikey M]

Granted. That's why I said it'd take 7 years.

I'd get Bruh to buy it and read it to me via skype, personally.

[bruhnaldo]

I'm actually a very engaging reader of words.

[Baz]

It’s a comic so you’d have to keep patronisingly twizzling it to show me the pictures.

[Disco]

If you downloaded a copy then you could look at the pictures while he reads out the words. Sorted.

[bruhnaldo]

Omg genius.

[Shindig]

I've come to really hate those filler shots of interviewers where they have to nod manically as the interviewee is talking.

[Baz]

Panic over, lads. Joe Frantz replied to my comment on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx2Tmb_nDDE/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link) to say they're reprinting more and to keep checking their website.

Don't order that copy yet, Danny.

Unless you have done, for some reason, and I'll reimburse you completely.

I wonder how much shipping will be. :rolleyes:

[Spikey M]

Your kid must really want this comic.

[bruhnaldo]

I hate when my friends send me random fuckin internet videos.

"(so and so) shared a video."

Bitch i do not care about this shit man leave me the fuck alone.

[Don]

The ceremony of having to throw [crying laughter emoji]s about like confetti at the incessant memes and shit being flung around is tiresome but you gotta still value it given the circumstances. The thought they put into ticking your name when they mass-forwarded the shite soothes the soul.

[Boydy]

That emoji isn't showing for me but it is the crying laughing one?

If it is, you can fuck away off again, Taz.

Edit: so it is.

[Don]

Listen yeah, you do what you gotta to oil the wheels, be it work senior colleagues or random birds from apps. This ain't no time to take a stance. Feel the love, baby.

[Danny]

Panic over, lads. Joe Frantz replied to my comment on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx2Tmb_nDDE/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link) to say they're reprinting more and to keep checking their website.

Don't order that copy yet, Danny.

Unless you have done, for some reason, and I'll reimburse you completely.

I wonder how much shipping will be. :rolleyes:

:D I have not.

[Lewis]

Some of the shit-tier middle aged memes being put into our work WhatsApp group make me wonder about otherwise sound colleagues.

[Jimmy Floyd]

You've got to remember that on TTH we are the absolute elite among cynics. Most people find any old shite funny.

[Boydy]

There's one guy in my work whatsapp who shares far too much shite. The rest aren't too bad though.

[Giggles]

Most of the stuff I get in groups is funny but this evening I was presented with some yoke to the elbow in her hole. It will take a while to unsee.

[Luca]

Can’t believe you haven’t forwarded that to us in The Group, Gigz.

[Offshore Toon]

You've got to remember that on TTH we are the absolute elite among cynics. Most people find any old shite funny.
It really is a bit of an issue at times. It's either pretend laughter or awkwardness (or possibly both).

The correct answer is awkwardness FYI.

[Giggles]

Can’t believe you haven’t forwarded that to us in The Group, Gigz.

The follow up video has scarred me for life.

[Spikey M]

I'm in a 'group' chat with 2 of the lads at work. I love the pair of them, they're the only decent thing about the place, but one of them is a 50 year old Irishman who is the definition of 'yer da' and the other is a 25 year old that hasn't posted anything but crying laughing emojis at the lads Memes for about a month.

Sometimes I wish I could just enjoy things.

[bruhnaldo]

Sometimes I wish I could just enjoy things.

i felt this post.

[phonics]

Did I ever share all the 'Praise Jesus' memes I got from my (long time, presumably jailed sometime after he tried to set me up in a sting) coke dealer.

I got some formulation of one of these, twice a week for the entire time I interacted with him.

https://i.imgur.com/56BKBlU.png

[phonics]

Decided to order from my local Italian place. Fancied some pasta, they don't serve meatballs.

[-james-]

House of Games. Fuck off.

[Boydy]

It's good.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I like to think of Richard Osman spending his days in a very long bathtub shouting out facile teatime TV quiz ideas to his very own Lynne in the next room.

'Richard Osman's Chocolate Jenga!'
'Richard Osman's Trivia Sandpit!'
'Favourite Colour Dartboard with Richard Osman!'

[Boydy]

He's annoying but House of Games is quite a good quiz show.

[Shindig]

So I went to work today knowing my phone was coming at some point. Even though it was a couple mile away from my house, I figured I'd rather not sit around in case I got a 4pm delivery slot.

I get to work at 10am and immediately have to get a lift back to mine because it's being delivered at 10:30. :moop: The phone is pink (peach, if we're generous). :moop:

[bruhnaldo]

Pink is cool tho

[Giggles]

I like House of Games. It always feels very awkward but I like the questions.

[John]

So I went to work today knowing my phone was coming at some point. Even though it was a couple mile away from my house, I figured I'd rather not sit around in case I got a 4pm delivery slot.

I get to work at 10am and immediately have to get a lift back to mine because it's being delivered at 10:30. :moop: The phone is pink (peach, if we're generous). :moop:

I used to work with someone like you, someone completely without anecdotes. He'd turn up in the morning and say shit like "I went into the shop this morning to get some orange Lucozade, but they didn't have any so I've had to get original Lucozade, what's that all about?" before producing a bottle of Lucozade from his pocket and sitting down.

[Spikey M]

:D

[Boydy]

:lol:

[Giggles]

:lol:

[Shindig]

Mint. :D

[Disco]

VE Day is not 'the end of the war'.

Get a brain morans.

[Spikey M]

It's better than people that think D-Day was. Atleast it was an end to a bit of the war.

[Lewis]

Hopefully we can roll VJ Day into a more general anti-Asian occasion this year.

[phonics]

Absolutely convinced myself I'd accidentally chucked a full pack of cigarettes away when I was taking the bins out. To the point I walked to the only shop that's open and found out there's been a 9PM curvew this whole lockdown and I just haven't left my house.

So I'm out of fags for the night and start writing this post, and just below the monitor is an unwrapped pack of Lucky Strikes.

[Kikó]

WHAT A DRAMATIC POST.

x

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I used to work with someone like you, someone completely without anecdotes. He'd turn up in the morning and say shit like "I went into the shop this morning to get some orange Lucozade, but they didn't have any so I've had to get original Lucozade, what's that all about?" before producing a bottle of Lucozade from his pocket and sitting down.


Absolutely convinced myself I'd accidentally chucked a full pack of cigarettes away when I was taking the bins out. To the point I walked to the only shop that's open and found out there's been a 9PM curvew this whole lockdown and I just haven't left my house.

So I'm out of fags for the night and start writing this post, and just below the monitor is an unwrapped pack of Lucky Strikes.
Hmm.

[SvN]

Hmm.

:D

That exact post was the first thing I thought of.

[Shindig]

Fireworks for anything other than Bonfire Night does my nut in. Do it for every VE day or not at all, dickheads.

[Spikey M]

Hmm.

:lol:

[Lofty]

the same twats banging pots and pans on my street are currently pissed out of their tree having abandoned social distancing that was adhered to for their street party initially, giggling like school kids after their first Lambrini. They'll be non plussed when the new case rate sky rockets next week.

[Spikey M]

We'll meet again.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

the same twats banging pots and pans on my street are currently pissed out of their tree having abandoned social distancing that was adhered to for their street party initially, giggling like school kids after their first Lambrini. They'll be non plussed when the new case rate sky rockets next week.

Lob a pumpkin at them.

[phonics]

Hmm.

https://i.imgur.com/WHUvhiH.gif

Fucking brutal. Ruined my night that has.

[Lofty]

Lob a pumpkin at them.

I should have, were still making a racket at 3am.

[igor_balis]

I made a video for my quiz round today, I've gone to upload it onto youtube and it's taken about an hour to do 50%, and it's only about 30 minutes long. Plusnet can blow me.

Good round tho, shall share with you lot when it finally finishes.xx

[igor_balis]

Same housemate who laughs and says shit like "ahah, that's so random :D" when I use a timer to know when to plunge my cafetiere, and use kitchen scales to weigh the amount of coffee just said "ahh I'm so bad at things like judging when coffee is ready :( thing it's ready yet, Igor?" after barely brewing it a minute. I said "REAP WHAT YOU FUCKING SOW, and poured it over her head ahh probably give it another couple of minutes".

[Luca]

Absolutely convinced myself I'd accidentally chucked a full pack of cigarettes away when I was taking the bins out. To the point I walked to the only shop that's open and found out there's been a 9PM curvew this whole lockdown and I just haven't left my house.

So I'm out of fags for the night and start writing this post, and just below the monitor is an unwrapped pack of Lucky Strikes.


I used to work with someone like you, someone completely without anecdotes. He'd turn up in the morning and say shit like "I went into the shop this morning to get some orange Lucozade, but they didn't have any so I've had to get original Lucozade, what's that all about?" before producing a bottle of Lucozade from his pocket and sitting down.


Same housemate who laughs and says shit like "ahah, that's so random :D" when I use a timer to know when to plunge my cafetiere, and use kitchen scales to weigh the amount of coffee just said "ahh I'm so bad at things like judging when coffee is ready :( thing it's ready yet, Igor?" after barely brewing it a minute. I said "REAP WHAT YOU FUCKING SOW, and poured it over her head ahh probably give it another couple of minutes".

Hmm...

[igor_balis]

okay i have a slightly better anecdote now, my housemate's pal has just driven up from London, and taken my housemate to stay there for a week. good work.

[Don]

Nah delivery was well worth my time.

[Spikey M]

That post from John is his greatest ever gift to this forum, however, we must all respect it's power and fear we ever find ourselves on the receiving end of it.

[Luca]

RIP Igor.

[Lewis]

igor's post was a perfect example of what this thread is about.

[Boydy]

I enjoyed Igor's post.

I also didn't mind Phonics' but then I don't think I'd find anything as dull and pointless as Shindig's posts.

[John]

I enjoyed Igor's post.

I also didn't mind Phonics' but then I don't think I'd find anything as dull and pointless as Shindig's posts.

It's funny when applied to Phonics because the reason he posted that non story is that it's definitely the most interesting thing that happened to him that day. It's the same reason Shinners posts those inane tracts about the dieting bird moving two seats closer to the vegan so oh my God what recipes must he listen to now.

[Boydy]

I know you and Phonics are always beefing but is anything interesting happening to any of us at the minute?

[Offshore Toon]

I've got heartburn from drinking too much lemon and lime diet sprite.

[Lofty]

No-one liked my B&Q farting anecdote the other day but it won't deter me from regaling you all with more shit anecdotes.

[John]

I know you and Phonics are always beefing but is anything interesting happening to any of us at the minute?

Not particularly, although at least ten more interesting things happened to me yesterday than thinking I didn't have any cigarettes then realising I actually did have some cigarettes.

The main reason I found it funny is that even under normal circumstances Phonics would have made that same post, only the twist ending would have been that he found the unopened pack after having bought a fresh pack.

[Don]

Listen, lads, let's not get overly meta now and scare people from posting, I'll glaze over a thousand Shindig posts if I have to to protect this gaff under current circumstances. Just keep calm and call Giggles a cunt.

[Shindig]

If history of this place has taught me anything, my posts don't get glazed over. The place just breaks and my post-count gets culled.

[John]

Listen, lads, let's not get overly meta now and scare people from posting, I'll glaze over a thousand Shindig posts if I have to to protect this gaff under current circumstances. Just keep calm and call Giggles a cunt.

Fuck off you swarthy Channel Tunnel nostrilled turbowhopper.

[Spikey M]

I know you and Phonics are always beefing but is anything interesting happening to any of us at the minute?

I have a skin tag on my thigh, so I bought one of those wart freezing kits earlier. It didn't have directions for how long to hold it on your thigh, so I went with the full 40 seconds of action that a hand based wart would get. Anyway, it got stuck to my thigh, I had to have a hot shower to get it off and now I have frost bite.

You're welcome.

[Foe]

I’ve tried and failed to put a signed NFL jersey into a DIY frame today. How the fuck they get the fucking tableclothed sized shirt tight and stuck using any variety of tape is beyond me. Second attempt too.

Going to have to take it to a framing shop and provide the frame, shirt and ask them to do it. :moop:

Texans traded the fucking guy last month too, which makes it all the more annoying. :(

[igor_balis]

I prefer boring anecdote Shindig to following me around and calling me a cunt Shindig, ftr. Whisper it, but I even quite liked the anecdote.

My fave cigarette story was when my dad in a rushed pitstop from delivering parcels came out the shop, popped his stamped letter into his jacket pocket and posted his 20 L&B silver into the letterbox. Plus he didn't post it online, cus it was 1999.

[phonics]

I know you and Phonics are always beefing but is anything interesting happening to any of us at the minute?

He would find something to demean a person no matter the situation or subject. It's the only joy he gets from here, pretending he's better.


Not particularly, although at least ten more interesting things happened to me yesterday than thinking I didn't have any cigarettes then realising I actually did have some cigarettes.

Care to share these 10 'minor things that annoyed you but aren't actually that big a deal' that are far more interesting?

[igor_balis]

he called some bloke on a rangers forum an absolute fucking CUNT of the highest order for saying some house track was shit or something, for one

[Giggles]

I just got in a row with a lad (vernal) because he asked why I was wearing a mask while I was picking up my shopping. That’s the sum total of my excitement to tell for the day.

[Giggles]

Listen, lads, let's not get overly meta now and scare people from posting, I'll glaze over a thousand Shindig posts if I have to to protect this gaff under current circumstances. Just keep calm and call Giggles a cunt.

A cunt is useful, unlike me, you rag head paedo.

[phonics]

he called some bloke on a rangers forum an absolute fucking CUNT of the highest order for saying some house track was shit or something, for one


He's had a hard life so gets a little levity from it all by demeaning people and positing himself as superior in an unprovable way with zero reprecussion.

I get it, I came to terms with it a while back and just call him a cunt when he's being one. Feels easier.

[phonics]

I really don't like giving out warnings/points etc. when we're about 20 people but Giggles, call Taz a rag head one more time and I'm banning you for a week.

[Kikó]

A cunt is useful, unlike me, you rag head paedo.

Er what.

[Giggles]

I really don't like giving out warnings/points etc. when we're about 20 people but Giggles, call Taz a rag head one more time and I'm banning you for a week.

It’s probably going to happen when he keeps asking for it so you might as well get it over with.

[igor_balis]

https://generate.gifglobe.com/?s=fatherted&e=S03E01&i=S03E01-WcUyOupQ&t1=I%20HEAR%20YOU%27RE%20A%20RACIST%20NOW%2C%20GIG GLES&t2&fbclid=IwAR2vjxfHcJ6jMbFesJc3hKDbPLIeg_sPQhJ1S2z70 b_MC5jjjoSE8d0lEc4

[Gray Fox]

I’ve tried and failed to put a signed NFL jersey into a DIY frame today. How the fuck they get the fucking tableclothed sized shirt tight and stuck using any variety of tape is beyond me. Second attempt too.

Going to have to take it to a framing shop and provide the frame, shirt and ask them to do it. :moop:

Texans traded the fucking guy last month too, which makes it all the more annoying. :(

Did you at least get the Hopkins shirt cheap because of the trade?

[phonics]

Giggles...Stop pretending you’re a victim. You’re nearly twice the average age of this place, stop acting like a 6 year old. This is a place for everyone no matter the disagreements.

[Giggles]

Giggles...Stop pretending you’re a victim. You’re nearly twice the average age of this place, stop acting like a 6 year old. This is a place for everyone no matter the disagreements.

I’m no victim, sure it’s all just the bants. I do forget how selective you are here though.

But anyway, drop them balls and go ahead if you’re going to.

[mugbull]

More more i need more

[phonics]

I’m no victim, sure it’s all just the bants. I do forget how selective you are here though.

But anyway, drop them balls and go ahead if you’re going to.

?

All I asked you was to be considerate of others and not call people racial slurs next time.

[Spikey M]

A rag would be better than that fucking bun.

[Don]

A cunt is useful, unlike me, you rag head paedo.

:D

Fuck off, Phonics. If he goes I'll go for my ethnics gassing post too. We're basically brothers.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/L9r0h9WBGjmXxArRwlr3AWJwycFG-ML7LS_932Kgx6Eas21ao_wpBUCsBvp0joAyLM8ptRO3B6kujSA mnYFTxP0qv8zExm4

[Boydy]

https://generate.gifglobe.com/?s=fatherted&e=S03E01&i=S03E01-WcUyOupQ&t1=I%20HEAR%20YOU%27RE%20A%20RACIST%20NOW%2C%20GIG GLES&t2&fbclid=IwAR2vjxfHcJ6jMbFesJc3hKDbPLIeg_sPQhJ1S2z70 b_MC5jjjoSE8d0lEc4

:lol:

[Giggles]

:lol:

That was nicely done in fairness.

[Giggles]

:D

Fuck off, Phonics. If he goes I'll go for my ethnics gassing post too. We're basically brothers.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/L9r0h9WBGjmXxArRwlr3AWJwycFG-ML7LS_932Kgx6Eas21ao_wpBUCsBvp0joAyLM8ptRO3B6kujSA mnYFTxP0qv8zExm4

They’re so obsessed with their old enemies they protect their newest ones.

[Lewis]

Is that Milton Keynes?

[Giggles]

Birmingham.

[Foe]

Did you at least get the Hopkins shirt cheap because of the trade?

My pals got me it for my 30th almost a year ago :moop:

[Shindig]

Okay, it appears Northumbrian Water decided to boot me off their bills because some whopper started using my address. Looking at my statements, said whopper was also paying my water bill for the last year. :D

[Don]

Kicked off by this:

https://www.theguardian.com/games/2020/may/13/animal-crossing-new-horizons-nintendo-game-coronavirus

What the sweet fuck is it with the prevalence of, and I've only just learned this term, non-games (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-game)?

You'll know it's not like me to fly off the handle based purely off my own personal preconceptions but I say this without having tried any of them afaik (someone may well remind me of a popular one I was balls deep in back in the day though). A part of me reckons I will easily understand it if I was to get involved in them, LR said he's into this and I trust his taste but I just have so little interest. Sim City, Minecraft and now this are the big three that come to mind but I read about more and more of them recently.

I'm a mathematical [rain]man and have always been preoccupied with clearly defined goals and solutions. I turn human relationships into transactional challenges ffs so I'm well aware it's probably that which prevents me from embracing this but my main gripe with them is I don't understand why you'd seek (borrowing this from wiki above) "greater self-expression through freeform play" from a computer game designed by some randomer who has in-built restrictions and controls of his own. It seems like turning away from reality for a straight swap for an inferior reality. *You wanna farm and talk to like-minded farmers, brother get an allotment.

*I realise this last bit opens my point up to a host of no doubt strong logical arguments so I'd like to withhold the right to retract that bit if I do indeed realise upon further reflection that I've gone too far and need to reevaluate and focus my stance a bit better.

Thank you for listening.

[mugbull]

Sounds like a shit Minecraft

[Spikey M]

I'm assuming /b/ have raided that at some point?

[Baz]

If people enjoy it, what’s up?

[Don]

If people enjoy it, what’s up?

I ain't requesting us to reopen Auschwitz, I'm just prying.

[Boydy]

Do you mean the sims rather than sim city?

[Don]

Ya.

ll

[Disco]

Sandbox is a better term than non-game, and they're far more understandable than those weird clicker/idle games that you don't even really have to play.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Sounds like a shit Minecraft

Minecraft is shit.

[mugbull]

Minecraft is shit.

Get some mods, build a working power grid, quarries, automate everything, construct a nuclear reactor and then come tell me it’s shit

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Get some mods, build a working power grid, quarries, automate everything, construct a nuclear reactor and then come tell me it’s shit

It's shit.

[Disco]

You're shit. Minecraft is as much fun as you make it.

[John]

The people downstairs from me are currently having a barbecue in the back garden which includes at least six households worth of children running around the garden.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

You're shit. Minecraft is as much fun as you make it.

I've played it, I've watched nephews play it and I've had to watch videos of Youtubers playing it (Stampylongnose's laugh will haunt me forever) and it offers nothing for me.

[Don]

I'm more concerned by the weather conditions they've decided to have a BBQ in. I'm in the house with the fucking heater on. And I don't want to alarm the community but I've suddenly had a feeling of nausea come over me too. Will keep you updated but appreciate your concerns.

[Yevrah]

The people downstairs from me are currently having a barbecue in the back garden which includes at least six households worth of children running around the garden.

My neighbours on both sides have been up to that sort of shit for the best part of a fortnight now. One of their guests always looks at me sheepishly every time I clock him violating lockdown.

[Disco]

Sunny but cold sounds like a winner but is actually shit. I must be getting old.

[mugbull]

I've played it, I've watched nephews play it and I've had to watch videos of Youtubers playing it (Stampylongnose's laugh will haunt me forever) and it offers nothing for me.

Don't watch 8 year olds or Youtube videos aimed at 8 year olds would be my suggestion

[Disco]

I assumed Mahow had found his level.

Muggers, what's the tech mod of choice these days? It used to be Tekkit but I would imagine most of that is wildly outdated by now.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Don't watch 8 year olds or Youtube videos aimed at 8 year olds would be my suggestion

I didn't have much choice when I was looking after them.

Although I did ban Stampy quite quickly.

[mugbull]

I assumed Mahow had found his level.

Muggers, what's the tech mod of choice these days? It used to be Tekkit but I would imagine most of that is wildly outdated by now.

I use Buildcraft and IC2, and then Forestry mainly to allow me to convert IC2 energy into a format that you can power BuildCraft machines with. Oh and RedPower. I think there's a Tekkit Classic but i don't really care enough about any of the other mods tbh so i just have them custom installed

[mugbull]

And RailCraft but i don't use it. Should get around to that though

[Baz]

I always wanted to get way into Minecraft but never did.

[Disco]

I use Buildcraft and IC2, and then Forestry mainly to allow me to convert IC2 energy into a format that you can power BuildCraft machines with. Oh and RedPower. I think there's a Tekkit Classic but i don't really care enough about any of the other mods tbh so i just have them custom installed

Ah, so still the same sort of stuff then, I spent ages trying to get the BC quarry to work with sensible power sources back in the day. Railcraft I've had a bit of a go at but it's one f those mods where I spend ages setting it up (ie building a completely impractical place for it all to go and getting distracted because the paths aren't quite right) but never really know what to do with it. Thaumcraft too, I only ever really scratched the surface.

[Giggles]

I always wanted to get way into Minecraft but never did.

That’s because you’re an adult.

[Spikey M]

I wouldn't go that far.

[mugbull]

Ah, so still the same sort of stuff then, I spent ages trying to get the BC quarry to work with sensible power sources back in the day. Railcraft I've had a bit of a go at but it's one f those mods where I spend ages setting it up (ie building a completely impractical place for it all to go and getting distracted because the paths aren't quite right) but never really know what to do with it. Thaumcraft too, I only ever really scratched the surface.

I'm the same way about getting distracted, I got high a couple weeks ago and binned off this world I'd spent like 10 hours on because I couldn't get my solar panels symmetrical above my house.

Thaumcraft never really interested me, afaik it doesn't give you many projects to work towards, just makes you feel like you're in Hogwarts

[Jimmy Floyd]

There is a low flying helicopter that comes every night at around this time (since about 10 days ago) and flies ROUND and ROUND and ROUND, fucking incessantly, and fucking loudly. A tiny circle, each 'lap' lasting no more than 30 seconds before it buzzes by again.

What the fuck is it doing? Colours are black with a hint of blue so I assume it's police, but what the fuck are they doing other than keeping children awake? There's no way anyone would be able to sleep through this, and it's EVERY night.

[Shindig]

One of my smoke alarms is giving it the beeps like it's low on battery. I can't replace the battery so I've given it a clean. It's been fine for 8 hours but now decides to start up again. Bollocks.

[Manc]

I used to work with someone like you, someone completely without anecdotes. He'd turn up in the morning and say shit like "I went into the shop this morning to get some orange Lucozade, but they didn't have any so I've had to get original Lucozade, what's that all about?" before producing a bottle of Lucozade from his pocket and sitting down.

dots

[Shindig]

This is the thread for it. I think it's shit the battery's not removable.

[Spoonsky]

Yeah that John post could theoretically invalidate all 150 (:|) pages of this thread, so it's probably time to retire it.