The EU Referendum thread - sponsored by Harold's YouTube videos

[Lewis]

I've just been outside, and I reckon the air is cleaner and easier to breathe.

[Disco]

Woodland animals are hanging out my washing as I type.

[Smiffy]

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[Davgooner]

Gutted.

Are there really Labour bods calling for a general election? They're absolutely fucking mental.

[Gray Fox]

The results of an election now would be very interesting. Labour are dead. They lost the support of majority of their voters during this referendum. If they switch stances now they alienate the other section who stuck with them. But where do their voters go?

[Yevrah]

That Ashdown quote. :D

Today is going to be remarkable.

[7om]

Ashdown's tweet :D

[Disco]

Neil Hamilton, fucking hell they're scraping the barrell, Chinny must be on after the news.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It was pissing with rain at last light, and now the sun is shining and Keith Vaz's tears are forming a pretty condensation on the window.

[Yevrah]

Ashdown's tweet :D

I know he's pissed, but it's stuff like that...

[Spikey M]

It's more the idea that the streets are empty while behind everyone's window the fate of the country is being decided on their laptop.

99% of people care much, much less than you seem to think. Half the Plebs don't even understand the difference between the EU and Europe.

[Smiffy]

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[Yevrah]

Caroline Lucas can be added to the pile of not having a clue. There's simply no way this was a protest vote.

[Magic]

Oh fuck. Should have got those Euros.

[7om]

Bore off, Lucas. The game's up so stop making your shit excuses.

[Yevrah]

She looked as though she'd been crying as well. For the love of God.

[Bartholomert]

Holy shit.

[7om]

i just called James Corden a cunt on Twitter.

[Davgooner]

:D

It's all going off.

I've got to go to work in a bit.:face:

[Byron]

This is going to be brilliant to watch from a political perspective.

Looks like all of Norfolk voted Leave, with the exception of Norwich itself. Let's just go and declare independence :drool:

[Lewis]

**Pops head out of window**

**Sniff sniff**

Glorious.

Massive respect to Wales, by the way. It appears to have outdone [the rest of] England.

[Disco]

Rita Chakraparty!

I think I;ve seven of these tonight.

[Magic]

Another Scottish referendum now which will win. What a fucking mess.

[7om]

Rita's eyes look bloodshot.

[Lee]

She looked as though she'd been crying as well. For the love of God.

Plenty feel very strongly that we should leave (evidently) and would have been emotional had it been the other way around. Why is it so unreasonable in this scenario?

I'm absolutely gutted.

[Davgooner]

Sinn Fein have called for the removal of the Irish border.

:roflol:

[Lewis]

This is going to be brilliant to watch from a political perspective.

Looks like all of Norfolk voted Leave, with the exception of Norwich itself. Let's just go and declare independence :drool:

Unthank Road will be seething.

[Spikey M]

Massive respect to Wales, by the way. It appears to have outdone [the rest of] England.

Wales gets much more out oc the EU than it pays in, too. It's basically Poland.

[Yevrah]

Plenty feel very strongly that we should leave (evidently) and would have been emotional had it been the other way around. Why is it so unreasonable in this scenario?

I'm absolutely gutted.

It's a bit daft in both scenarios as nobody can be sure that leaving or staying is the end, a brilliant decision or somewhere in the middle. As a result it strikes me that anyone being that emotional about it, whatever the result isn't really thinking rationally and are instead sobbing over a missed ideal that isn't reality.

[Smiffy]

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[Smiffy]

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[Yevrah]

Wales gets much more out oc the EU than it pays in, too. It's basically Poland.

And still thought it was worth leaving. :sherlock:

[Disco]

Do we think Cameron will say something soon? I'm flagging badly but I wouldn't want to miss it.

[Yevrah]

Has that chap on BBC1 now blacked up?

[Disco]

:D

[Magic]

Lol Sturgeon is already giving it large about a referendum.

[leedsrevolution]

Bloody shitting hell. Weren't expecting to wake up to this!

[Yevrah]

Do we think Cameron will say something soon? I'm flagging badly but I wouldn't want to miss it.

Today will eclipse the excitement of last night by a country mile.

The FTSE opens at 8, when all manner of hell will break loose and then there's all the people who've campaigned for months/years on this who'll have their say, plus those in the EU and Mr Cameron himself.

You'll get your sleeping pattern back if you fight through and hit the sack at 10pm tonight as well.

[Magic]

On the plus side Peterhead will be fucking BOUNCING today. :drool:

[Smiffy]

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[Yevrah]

Brillo. :hail:

Is he on later as well? I'm normally at work over weekday lunchtimes.

[Magic]

I love how this has brought out the ultra right wing European parties saying they want an exit too.

[7om]

It's going to be a right laugh watching Cameron backtrack to try and restore confidence.

[Byron]

Leave just needs 40,000 votes to officially win.

[Byron]

It's mathematically done. Britain is leaving the EU unless Cameron decides he wants to ruin whatever legacy he has.

[Disco]

Where do I get my pound of bent bananas?

[Lewis]

http://i63.tinypic.com/2w3wzur.png

:lewis:

[7om]

:cool:

[Byron]

Maybe we shouldn't let Harold back.

[Lee]

Presumably Cameron will be resigning. General election please. :drool:

[Byron]

I can't believe he won't resign. He's staked everything on this.

That said, Corbyn would be just as shit.

Sinn Fein calling for a vote on a United Ireland as well. Fuck off lads.

[MrUmbongo]

Fair play to the English and Welsh working class for staging a revolt of sorts against the backdrop of two shite campaigns and a hail mary of nonsense. Labour are going to be as irrelevant in England as they are here pretty sharpish, we should move southwards..

The bankers went heavy into the betting markets it seemed on the result of their private polling on the day ... got all over leave at 14/1. Yes was at 5/1. Dumb money.

[elth]

Cameron should start the two year out clock today, and resign from Parliament immediately after.

"Fuck y'all, you deal with it."

The tantrum to end all tantrums.

He won't, though.

[Byron]

Great Yarmouth voted 72% to Leave. They were expected to leave mind you, but we're talking 60-65%. Fucking hell.

[Byron]

Oh fuck off Diane, please don't try to make this about Jezza for once.

[Lewis]

Great Yarmouth is like England if Tony Blair had never been born. It's stunning.

[Byron]

You mean every corner having a chippy and the 2p gambling machines?

[Lewis]

I mean I saw a shop selling cassette tapes.

[Dquincy]

When do we start kicking out all the immigrants? Assume they'll all be rounded up accordingly and shown off the premises.

[Dquincy]

The pound is fucked. Wonder if they'll let us jump onto the Euro. :baz:

[Lewis]

lol (https://twitter.com/hashtag/notinmyname?f=tweets&vertical=default&src=tren)

[Byron]

Oh dear. I was wondering how long it would take for #the48 to start up.

[Byron]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Clsa_cRUgAULVLx.jpg:large

[Lewis]

Tim Farron is SEETHING.

[Baz]

Really should have bought some Euros before this happened. :facepalm: They're gonna cost more than ever now, right? Am I better off just taking my card and using Belgium cash machines?

[Spoonsky]

Lads.

Who would replace Cameron as PM?

[Kikó]

We are the 48.

[Byron]

Boris has enough enemies in the party and I can see the Tories wanting a clean break from this campaign.

May has been quite quiet on the vote hasn't she? She's probably thinking she can position herself as a uniting candidate.

[Lewis]

http://i67.tinypic.com/2wd292g.png

'Fuck off Europe, we're England and Wales!'

[Kikó]

Scotland London breakaway.

[Spoonsky]

My trip to the UK just got a lot cheaper.

[Shindig]

Enjoy your 60 hour weeks, Jimmy.
RIP, Magic's mortgage.
Sterling at a 14 year low. (correction, it's now 31 year low)

Great Britain.

[Spoonsky]

Full credit to Farage. Whether you love him or hate him, he's done this.

[Lewis]

Agent Jezza doesn't look/sound particularly bothered. Heroic effort from him.

[Lee]

Corbyn probably voted Leave.

[Shindig]

Durham went 57% in favour of Remain. Never liked this shithole. Might have to shift anyway if the rent gets boosted.

[Jimmy Floyd]

What sums this up is some goon I know saying on twitter 'I am scared to go into work, terrible day to work in financial services'.

Try Sports Direct then, you bell.

[Byron]

Our company is probably celebrating. The lower exchange rate actually means higher profits for the beancounters in New York.

[Cord]

Predicted 3-5% leave win, so I"m available next time if the beeb see sense and fuck off these polling timewasters.

I'm well up for an independent city state of London. Referendum please.

[Shindig]

I'll just throw this EU referendum vote to appease my back-benchers

Causes destabilised Europe and break up of Britain. I'm voting for Corbyn at Christmas.

[five time]

Why are the Scots going on about another referendum given that they lost one five minutes ago?

By that note we should have another referendum after christmas to see if people have changed their minds.

[Sam]

Christ didn't think leave would win, amazing scenes.

[Kikó]

Why are the Scots going on about another referendum given that they lost one five minutes ago?

By that note we should have another referendum after christmas to see if people have changed their minds.

Considering they largely voted in and their referendum was based on union inside the EU, you can see why. If you try.

[Spoonsky]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5JX4-zZbiY

All together now.

[Shindig]

Why are the Scots going on about another referendum given that they lost one five minutes ago?


They can use this result as a thing to campaign on. They were going to plan for EU membership as part of a Yes vote last time but now it'd be an actual necessity.

[igor_balis]

oh jeez

[Jimmy Floyd]

Causes destabilised Europe and break up of Britain. I'm voting for Corbyn at Christmas.

Corbyn is the main reason Remain lost.

[Shindig]

Don't care. He's not winning anyway. I wonder if this vote with have an effect on EU internally. I.e. they think, "Well, we do a lot of business with them and, to be honest, our unanimous approach to things is dumb, when you consider everyone's economy is different."

I dunno, man. I'm in bits. This is the single most earth-shattering thing I've been through.

[Sam]

Cheltenham/Stroud going for leave is a huge surprise. In fact most of the south-west is leave? Jeez. I mean post-industrial areas was a nailed on leave vote considering the state of those areas I'd argue the Leave vote has been more in protest than anything else.

[Lewis]

Twitter seems to think that Cameron is going to resign.

[Byron]

Which means he won't.

[Byron]

Announcement from Dave now.

[Lewis]

This sounds like he's off.

[Spoonsky]

It sounds like he is.

[Byron]

Yeah, sounds absolutely like a resignation.

[Shindig]

Wow. Who would've thought in the space of 18 months, all major parties would have a leadership change.

[Lee]

Fucking hell.

[Spoonsky]

New PM by October.

[Byron]

But not invoking Article 50 until then either.

[Spoonsky]

This is the most monumental day in British politics since ____. Fill me in.

It seems like everything has completely changed in an instant.

[Lewis]

This is the most monumental day in British politics since ____. Fill me in.

The Suez Crisis.

[Byron]

Certainly the biggest event in my lifetime.

[Spoonsky]

The Suez Crisis.

Honestly?

[Lewis]

I reckon Cameron would go reasonably quietly if he loses. It's Osborne that won't. He's spent the best part of a decade building his base, he doesn't have any sort of legacy (Cameron at least saw the Jocks off and won a majority), and he will get most of the blame.

That was actually rather classy and dignified. Meanwhile, Osborne is piling up furniture behind his office door.

[elth]

He had to go. His platform just got massively rejected by voters.

PM BozJo. I hope you're happy, Brexiters.

[Raoul Duke]

Osborne will get turned over without Dave to back him up. Boris in by Xmas, I guess.

[Kikó]

Curbishley has taken over on a temporary basis

[Spoonsky]

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He could be making it up, of course. Still, you have to laugh.

Awkward.

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm baffled by the number of people who seem to think we've left Europe as a continent.


loz ‏@lozthelez 1m1 minute ago

now americans can't say 'I'm visiting europe' when they're actually visiting the UK #EURefResults


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[Lewis]

Honestly?

It's MASSIVE mate. Seventeen and a half million people just shat on everything the political class holds most dear.

[Jimmy Floyd]

One Korean is explaining this to another in Korean. Obviously I don't understand it all, but Kim Jong-Il has just been mentioned.

[Lewis]

Fucking Norman Tebbit is on(!). What is happening?

[Shindig]

"I'm fed up with this undemocratic system!", says democratically elected MEP.

[Spoonsky]

It's MASSIVE mate. Seventeen and a half million people just shat on everything the political class holds most dear.

I believe you, that was just further back than I expected. Now it's my turn to be watching the BBC at 2AM.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Fucking Norman Tebbit is on(!). What is happening?

Enoch's in the green room.

[Serj]

It's MASSIVE mate. Seventeen and a half million people just shat on everything the political class holds most dear.

That sounds like a protest vote, but skimming through the thread many people have argued against that being the case.

I just got up to this, and I'm a bit confused. Who's going to profit off of this in the UK's political system? UKIP don't really have a platform anymore, Labour seems to have done the thing that continental Social Democrats have done and lost touch with their electorate, and the Tories seem split. Anyone awake and motivated enough to give a short rundown?

[Spoonsky]

The governor of the Bank of England is American?

[Lewis]

Enoch's in the green room.

I bet he was on his way to chin Michael Heseltine.

[Vim]

This is hilarious, all the students on my facebook are convinced the world has just ended. :D

[Sam]

The amount of fucks complaining about a leave vote yet didn't vote at all is astounding.

[leedsrevolution]

The governor of the Bank of England is American?

I thought he was Canadian?

[Jimmy Floyd]

That sounds like a protest vote, but skimming through the thread many people have argued against that being the case.

I just got up to this, and I'm a bit confused. Who's going to profit off of this in the UK's political system? UKIP don't really have a platform anymore, Labour seems to have done the thing that continental Social Democrats have done and lost touch with their electorate, and the Tories seem split. Anyone awake and motivated enough to give a short rundown?

The Lib Dems will probably surge now. The Lord works in mysterious ways.

[Spoonsky]

He's definitely not English.

[Lewis]

I'm off to bed. Hopefully the electricity is still on when I get up.

[phonics]

I like how a revolt against the undemocratic EU will result in an unelected PM. Think about it this way, you only shaved a few hundred billion off the economy in a few hours so that 350m should come in handy.

Ah well

https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p100x100/13516698_10157136185810381_7292777480056255795_n.j pg?oh=be39c509fe33407c424779e3eb94cdfd&oe=580281AF

[Serj]

The Lib Dems will probably surge now. The Lord works in mysterious ways.

That would be a hilarious outcome.

I just hope you guys haven't fucked the Euro as much as the pound so that I can add the UK as a cheap(ish) holiday destination.

[Spoonsky]

Wembley's hosting the next Euro finals you know.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I've just dreamed up a scenario in which Labour replace Corbyn with Umunna/Jarvis, win the autumn election, and then hold a second EU referendum in which we vote to stay in.

[Dquincy]

Some predictions:

1. England will win Euro 2016. And it will be really awkward.
2. The Euro currency will collapse (slightly arrogant, but possible).
3. The people who voted leave will soon come to realise that it was a poor choice. I do wonder if the working class chose to leave because they are unhappy with their life/career and think the EU exit route will shake things up for them. Foolish if this is the case.

Whilst 51% of people aren't all morons (same for 49%), i do think something this monumental should not be decided by people who do not have the expertise.

[Disco]

Bugger, I fell asleep in the chair. When's Rita on again?

[Lee]

I've just dreamed up a scenario in which Labour replace Corbyn with Umunna/Jarvis, win the autumn election, and then hold a second EU referendum in which we vote to stay in.

I think there might be dodginess afoot. Juncker has been talking about some sort of wider EU reform, which will presumably will mean something on freedom of movement. I'd not be shocked to see PM Johnson get on board with that and still claim to be acting in line with the spirit of the referendum.

Interestingly a colleague mentioned to me just the other day that Corbyn was deliberately keeping a low profile through the campaign as he was more interested in preparing for an anticipated snap election. That sounds plausible. Him thinking he's electable is a laugh though.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Bugger, I fell asleep in the chair. When's Rita on again?

What I'm struggling to believe about all this is the sheer gall of planning it just days before Remembrance Sunday. Have some respect.

[Bartholomert]

"I'm fed up with this undemocratic system!", says democratically elected MEP.

Yeah and the British people elect all the other MEPs who's decisions are binding on them, right?

Anyways fuck the political class, this is what democracy looks like.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think there might by dodginess afoot. Juncker has been talking about some sort of wider EU reform, which will presumably will mean something on freedom of movement. I'd not be shocked to see PM Johnson get on board with that and still claim to be acting in line with the spirit of the referendum.

Interestingly a colleague mentioned to me just the other day that Corbyn was deliberately keeping a low profile through the campaign as he was more interested in preparing for an anticipated snap election. That sounds plausible. Him thinking he's electable is a laugh though.

This is Juncker's fault - if he'd given Cameron anything on freedom of movement, this wouldn't be happening. In fact there are any number of people who could have stopped this from happening, most of them centre-left politicians.

[Lee]

This is Juncker's fault - if he'd given Cameron anything on freedom of movement, this wouldn't be happening. In fact there are any number of people who could have stopped this from happening, most of them centre-left politicians.

He probably didn't think an out vote was possible. I didn't until very recently.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He probably didn't think an out vote was possible. I didn't until very recently.

Which sums up why people voted Leave, as does 95% of Twitter reaction.

[niko_cee]

Cameron is probably most to blame, but in reality this is a long term issue which has been brewing for 20+ years. It will be interesting to see how the EU react. Hostility and intransigence, or perhaps try to salvage something through actual reform? History says the former, and everyone will be poorer for it.

[phonics]

Haha

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edit: lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClsnL_BVEAEVq3v.jpg:large

[Bartholomert]

He probably didn't think an out vote was possible. I didn't until very recently.

Welcome to the silent majority buddy.

[Bartholomert]

Cameron is probably most to blame, but in reality this is a long term issue which has been brewing for 20+ years. It will be interesting to see how the EU react. Hostility and intransigence, or perhaps try to salvage something through actual reform? History says the former, and everyone will be poorer for it.

They would have to take a strong stance you would think, as a necessary deterrence to other countries who might be considering the same.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think there might be dodginess afoot. Juncker has been talking about some sort of wider EU reform, which will presumably will mean something on freedom of movement. I'd not be shocked to see PM Johnson get on board with that and still claim to be acting in line with the spirit of the referendum.

On this point, I wouldn't be surprised to see something similar. He's got a 52-48 divide which is a huge polarisation and he's got to have the 48 on board. Also, Boris doesn't really want out. The only problem with that is it reactivates UKIP, who in the case of full Brexit are dead in the water.

[Yevrah]

Why is the £ still worth 1.2 Euros?

[Disco]

The Euro has been falling too I suspect.

[Yevrah]

At least Kiko's wedding in safe then.

[Dquincy]

Boris just got savaged as he walked to his cab. Lots of boos. Some shouted 'SCUM' and 'TWAT'.

This all really is a massive fuck up. The aftershock is going to be massive on the uk economy in the short term. Small businesses are going to suffer massively.

[Luke Emia]

Why is the £ still worth 1.2 Euros?

I thinks it's the dollar where the movements will be. There will be massive implications regarding the Euro as well.

[Disco]

I would suggest the Greeks are going to get a massive bumming over the summer.

[Dquincy]

Why is the £ still worth 1.2 Euros?
The Euro € is going to collapse. You heard it here first.

[niko_cee]

Exactly. A flight to the global reserve currency in a time of apparent uncertainty? Who would have thunk it?

The Euro will only collapse if (when) they hardball the trade negotiations and Greece, and then Italy, and then the rest of the pigs go tits up (in semi-unrelated circumstances).

[Jimmy Floyd]

The best news so far is that the Koreans might make us all redundant.

[Serj]

So far, the pound has fallen by slightly more than 0.1 compared to the dollar, the Euro about 0.025. Seems like both are going to fall further for now. Will be interesting to see when the initial fallout will stop and what is going to happen then. I don't think anybody has got a clue.

EDIT: getting that from here (http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/currency).

[Davgooner]

I dunno, man. I'm in bits. This is the single most earth-shattering thing I've been through.

Hold it together for fuck sake.

[Dquincy]

We should start a new European union...with Turkey.

[Henry]

My thoughts:

I was, on balance, against Brexit.
Good to see Cameron is going. Unfortunate that he'll be replaced by Boris, whose clownish persona masks some fairly odious politics.
Lots of uncertainty ahead, it will be particularly challenging for Ireland.
The postwar European project is in serious danger, brought to this point by neoliberal politics and xenophobia. Who will be next to leave?
The UK itself is in serious danger, with Scottish independence a serious possibility now.

[Davgooner]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHNfvJc99YY

[Boydy]

We should start a new European union...with Turkey.

The kebabs. :drool:

[Dquincy]

And to all the Leave voters; shit all will happen with immigration, in terms of wholesale changes.

[Jimmy Floyd]

And to all the Leave voters; shit all will happen with immigration, in terms of wholesale changes.

I'm fine with that, and built it into my Leave vote. I like immigration.

[Luke Emia]

I voted remain. But, the state of a lot of the remain politicians amazes me. They never learn, things like its a protest vote are massively wrong. Labour need to have a good look at themselves if you can't win it in your heartlands how are they ever going to win an election?

[Dquincy]

Rumour has it Nicky Morgan wants a run at the leadership.

Ha...the woman is a bellend.

[Shindig]

My thoughts:

I was, on balance, against Brexit.
Good to see Cameron is going. Unfortunate that he'll be replaced by Boris, whose clownish persona masks some fairly odious politics.
Lots of uncertainty ahead, it will be particularly challenging for Ireland.
The postwar European project is in serious danger, brought to this point by neoliberal politics and xenophobia. Who will be next to leave?
The UK itself is in serious danger, with Scottish independence a serious possibility now.

Nobody. They're all in debt to the Germans and it brings in too much money, The FTSE is heading arse over tit at the minute. Bleak.

[Bartholomert]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zc_q9p9iYg#t=257

[Dquincy]

I'm fine with that, and built it into my Leave vote. I like immigration.
Why did you vote leave? Unhappy with your life?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Rumour has it Nicky Morgan wants a run at the leadership.

Ha...the woman is a bellend.

And Chris Grayling. Fucking hell.

My tip (I'm anti-Boris) is Stephen Crabb.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Why did you vote leave? Unhappy with your life?

The EU is going to collapse in on itself at some point, so we might as well be out before that happens. I'm not really bothered about what happens to me.

[Boydy]

Some Muslim guy on BBC just said a lot of young Muslims voted leave because they thought immigrstion would then be opened up to South Asia. Yeah, that'll happen.

[Disco]

I'm fine with that, and built it into my Leave vote. I like immigration.

Me too, never really entered into my thinking.

I'm disappointed to have woken up at the point where the general public are being interviewed.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Some Muslim guy on BBC just said a lot of young Muslims voted leave because they thought immigrstion would then be opened up to South Asia. Yeah, that'll happen.

I reckon they could be right. Lots of tech talent in India wanting a less batshit home but currently unable to come here. Let's open the floodgates.

[Dquincy]

The EU is going to collapse in on itself at some point, so we might as well be out before that happens. I'm not really bothered about what happens to me.
I jest. A million more people opted for leaving, so it certainly is a wake up call for EU and UK politics.

The short term downturn in the market was inevitable, but I just hope it will stabilise in the long term.

I wonder if Merkel and the EU goons will take a look at themselves, or just say "eff off Uk".

[Sam]

Some EU markets are nose diving, we are bouncing back. Perhaps we have a stronger hand than we think?

[Yevrah]

We do have a strong hand. Our own markets exacerbated the fall by wrongly concluding we were staying anyway.

[Boydy]

I reckon they could be right. Lots of tech talent in India wanting a less batshit home but currently unable to come here. Let's open the floodgates.
More Muslims? Yeah, that'll please your average Leave voter.

[niko_cee]

The FTSE is heading arse over tit at the minute. Bleak.

Whereas the mighty DAX . . .

These are just returns on the anticipated remain surge earlier in the week.

[phonics]

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Fucking hell. Some people.

[Dquincy]

:D Democracy.

[Yevrah]

This is why we're rubbish at penalties. No bottle whatsoever.

[Bartholomert]

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Fucking hell. Some people.

Lol at you still believing anything the BBC has to say as if they're not deliberately furthering an agenda.

[niko_cee]

Surely this is a massive non-bottlejob?

[Yevrah]

Surely this is a massive non-bottlejob?

Not if the polls were wrong and leave was always the favourite anyway.

[Boydy]

Lol at you still believing anything the BBC has to say as if they're not deliberately furthering an agenda.
That was an actual voter speaking on the BBC. The words came out of their own mouth.

[Bartholomert]

Surely this is a massive non-bottlejob?

I reckon people lied to the polls because they didn't want to be perceived as 'racist' while secretly wanting leave.

[Dquincy]

Lol at you still believing anything the BBC has to say as if they're not deliberately furthering an agenda.

Look at this, Bert.

https://twitter.com/GoldCaro/status/746262842903498752?s=09

[Bartholomert]

That was an actual voter speaking on the BBC. The words came out of their own mouth.

You could find someone swearing that David Cameron is a lizard person and they've seen him morph when he thought no one was looking. It is a meaningless and pathetic attempt to further discredit the 'leave' vote and its voters.

[niko_cee]

It'll be quite funny if there's a surge in EU-migrants trying to get in whilst the freedom to move still exists.

By the way Mert, I really don't think there was much agenda in that BBC interview. The guy just said it. I don't think it's a particularly surprising reaction. Everyone has pause when something momentous happens.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Remain would have won this but for postal votes, which Tony Blair opened up. Literally every seed of this was sown by Tony Blair.

Oh and the Euro is going to tank more than the pound.

[Bartholomert]

It'll be quite funny if there's a surge in EU-migrants trying to get in whilst the freedom to move still exists.

By the way Mert, I really don't think there was much agenda in that BBC interview. The guy just said it. I don't think it's a particularly surprising reaction. Everyone has pause when something momentous happens.

Yeah and who put that guy in front of a television camera?

[niko_cee]

There were a bunch of them (voters). It wasn't planned or scripted. I don't think anyone really believed yesterday, when they voted to leave, that it was going to happen. Things always seem much more remote until they happen. I've been opposed to (aspects of the) EU for most of my adult life, but chose not to vote as I don't really think leaving right now was the right thing to do. It is perhaps right if it is the only chance Britain will ever get (perhaps) but the timing of the vote was foolish opportunism that has gone spectacularly wrong for the political elite of both Britain and Europe.

[phonics]

I've forgotten, why did Cameron have to give his backbenchers the referendum again? What was he trying to win?

[Byron]

Yeah and who put that guy in front of a television camera?

Conspirusee!!!

Liberul ahgenduh!!!

[Jimmy Floyd]

This whingeing everyone is doing about the old screwing the young is bullshit. The same young will be voting conservative when they are old in 40 years, 'screwing over' a fresh set of young, and so it continues.

[Yevrah]

This whingeing everyone is doing about the old screwing the young is bullshit. The same young will be voting conservative when they are old in 40 years, 'screwing over' a fresh set of young, and so it continues.

It also completely disregards the fact that a lot of these old people will have families themselves and obviously wouldn't choose something they thought was going to fuck over their offspring.

[Yevrah]

"There must be consequences"

Fucking hell.

[Bartholomert]

Conspirusee!!!

Liberul ahgenduh!!!

Personally I was SHOCKED, SHOCKED I tell you that after openly propagandizing against the Leave campaign for months, that the BBC would randomly interview a man who perfectly embodied the 'irrational and ignorant' attitudes allegedly informing the Leave voter.

Wake up.

[niko_cee]

I've forgotten, why did Cameron have to give his backbenchers the referendum again? What was he trying to win?

He (they) feared UKIP going into the last election. So headed them off with a promise, which has ended up costing him the job the bribe was originally intended to garner. He did it now (in such a hurry) because the logic was remain would win. Oops.

[phonics]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CltNYyKWAAANWMj.jpg:large

[niko_cee]

Also, perhaps as a last word on THAT LEAVE VOTER, he, in no way, embodied the less palatable face of the leave campaign. Maybe a bit of a div, but that's been far more prevalent on the other side in the run up (usually they're the ones seen worrying about visas and other menaningless shit, whilst the 'skin head northern racists' were the electoral face of leave).

[niko_cee]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CltNYyKWAAANWMj.jpg:large

Cornwall got 60m a year on it's own. How are we planning on replacing that?

Net contributor.

Unless the assumption is that trade completely ceases, then all bets are off for everyone.

I see some EU bigwig is trotting out the 'no special treatment' line. It might be soon time to start worrying properly.

[John]

Farage apparently said 'not a single shot being fired' last night. :harold:

Sad I missed that.

[phonics]

Boris is late to his speech because a bunch of cyclists blockaded his car so he's having to walk

746262480649854976

[Yevrah]

Oh the lols.

[niko_cee]

The regional breakdown is mental.

[leedsrevolution]

The real question here is how many accounts has Harold tried creating in the last 24 hours.

[Magic]

Scotland as a whole (apart from some fisherman) is absolutely SEETHING and according the radio phone in today England is full of racists.

Scottish independence if Sturg calls it now will win. If she cares about the country she'll give it 5-10 years. Holy shit.

HOLY SHIT.

[Henry]

The Scots have a point. There's a strong xenophobic element to this - both directed at Europeans and more far-flung immigrants.

[Luke Emia]

Did someone say the other day that Spain now becomes a net contributor? The fallout for the EU could be just as massive as anything over here. I don't think there will quite be the Armageddon that has been forecast by the remain side but I reckon there will be a lot of belt tightening in the next few years. Medium term I think all will be ok but short term it's going to be tough.

[phonics]

The real question here is how many accounts has Harold tried creating in the last 24 hours.

Not his style, he pre-registers accounts. Here's the last months registrations where I've crossed out people that aren't him.

https://i.imgur.com/t7MOsIF.png

edit: Actually I think flaviooooo might be real. Sorry for slandering you bro.

[Yevrah]

The Scots have a point. There's a strong xenophobic element to this - both directed at Europeans and more far-flung immigrants.

Ironic then that a lot of Scots didn't want to be a part of the UK because they hate the English.

[niko_cee]

Whilst that is probably true of the direction the leave campaign ended up going (at least as it seemed with actual voters) it misses a bigger point to simply dismiss this as petty prejudice. This was entirely avoidable. Arrogance (the sort which dismisses any criticism of the four freedoms as idle racism) on the part of the political establishment is what has brought this about. Good luck being allowed to join whatever is left of the EU by the time you vote to leave Scotland.

[Henry]

Whilst that is probably true of the direction the leave campaign ended up going (at least as it seemed with actual voters) it misses a bigger point to simply dismiss this as petty prejudice. This was entirely avoidable. Arrogance (the sort which dismisses any criticism of the four freedoms as idle racism) on the part of the political establishment is what has brought this about. Good luck being allowed to join whatever is left of the EU by the time you vote to leave Scotland.

Oh, I agree. It's yet another anti-politics vote. And the EU has fucked itself in particular.

[Magic]

The Scots have a point. There's a strong xenophobic element to this - both directed at Europeans and more far-flung immigrants.

Maybe but not to the tune of 17 million or whatever it was.

[Luke Emia]

What do we think the chances of the EU coming back with concessions to enable us to stay? I think that is what Boris wants deep down.

[Magic]

Ironic then that a lot of Scots didn't want to be a part of the UK because they hate the English.

Exactly. Lol at Sinn Feinn as well.

This is mental. Hadn't taken this at all seriously. This could be the end of GBR and the EU. Wow.

[niko_cee]

Incidentally, is this article 50 process irreversible? Once it kicks in, is the UK bound to leave, or can it simply call it off if things look a bit shit?

Juncker's fired a few shots, I see.

The most sensible outcome of all this would be to actually create a sensible version of the 2 speed Europe which has sort of brought itself into existence with the Eurozone. It won't happen, as that would be seen as sacrificing the project, but, in the long term, it would probably be the best way to preserve it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

What do we think the chances of the EU coming back with concessions to enable us to stay? I think that is what Boris wants deep down.

Zero because Marine Le Pen will then run riot.

[Magic]

FUCK I told you. She's just announced legal proceedings for another independence referendum!

[niko_cee]

What do we think the chances of the EU coming back with concessions to enable us to stay? I think that is what Boris wants deep down.

Claude has said 'non' although I had always thought this the most likely outcome. A hardline to stop contagion seems a massively misplaced strategy. They won't have to worry about contagion if they collapse the wider European economy (including the UK) by refusing to trade on sensible terms with the UK.

[Disco]

When you're relying on Spain to be a net contributor to, well, anything other than doping and inappropriate blacking up then you have a real problem.

[Henry]

What's Juncker said? Most likely we'll see the anti-democratic nature of that prick, and the other pricks over the next while. They'll see no reason why the result has to be honoured and will think in terms of punishing the UK for voting the wrong way.

[Dquincy]

Very good speech by Nicola Sturgeon. And i don't blame her one bit for wanting another referendum for independence.

The fallout of this is going to be huge. Big decision to be put on the shoulders of the UK public. Most of whom don't fully understand the reverberation of leaving the EU.

[Magic]

Can't wait to go crawling back to the failed EU project! Hooray! :)

[Jimmy Floyd]

Very good speech by Nicola Sturgeon. And i don't blame her one bit for wanting another referendum for independence.

The fallout of this is going to be huge. Big decision to be put on the shoulders of the UK public. Most of whom don't fully understand the reverberation of leaving the EU.

The UK public have been getting it right for thousands of years, that's why we live in such a great country.

[niko_cee]

What's Juncker said? Most likely we'll see the anti-democratic nature of that prick, and the other pricks over the next while. They'll see no reason why the result has to be honoured and will think in terms of punishing the UK for voting the wrong way.

No renegotiation, you're still in until you're not, start the process asap.

ie an ostensibly hardline position which hopefully won't, but inevitably will, carry over into these 'negotiations'.

[Dquincy]

Donald Trump's speech...he just babbles on and says the first thing that enters his head. Gawd bless him.

[Magic]

Can Ruth Davidson become prime minister? :drool:

[Bartholomert]

If you think this vote was about racism, you don't get it.

[Yeldoow]

I think that is the first time I've ever agreed with anything I've heard Nicola Sturgeon say.

[phonics]

Tony Blair is at Leave HQ. All yours Jim.

[Dquincy]

If you think this vote was about racism, you don't get it.
It was about blacks, wasn't it.

[Yevrah]

What's Juncker said? Most likely we'll see the anti-democratic nature of that prick, and the other pricks over the next while. They'll see no reason why the result has to be honoured and will think in terms of punishing the UK for voting the wrong way.

When Jacob Reece Mogg compared it to a mafia style organisation that knee cap you as soon as you tell them you want out he had it pretty bang on.

[Bartholomert]

Donald Trump's speech...he just babbles on and says the first thing that enters his head. Gawd bless him.

Better or worse than focus group tested prepared speeches written by professionals? At least you know that what he says actually represents what he believes and what he will try to do; he's genuine. Now contrast that with Clinton.

[phonics]

No confidence vote in Corbyn has been launched.

[Yevrah]

Just saw that. :D

Who launched it and how does it work?

[Yevrah]

Are people seriously calling for an independent London?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Tony Blair is at Leave HQ. All yours Jim.

Cheers. I'll try and arrange Farage to be delivered your way in return.

[Bartholomert]

It was about blacks, wasn't it.

I'm not British but based off what I'm reading it was about national sovereignty and the need to be able to implement sustainable policies for Britains long term interest / stability. The EU is going to implode sooner or later, Britain doesn't need them and doesn't need to go down with that ship.

Y'all forget, Britain was the OG big swinging dick superpower of the world, and that was back when peoples weren't pussies. On the whole you hate an elite tier culture, infrastructure, human capital and shared history, what the hell were you doing allowing yourselves to be cucked by the EU? Forget about dilution from continental European sensibilities, go be unapologetically British.

[niko_cee]

That's what it should have been about, but I think, in reality, immigration, and the abject failure of the remain campaign to address the issue, was the deal breaker for a significant percentage of the electorate.

[Sam]

Scaremongering by the Remain actually pushed more into the Leave side I reckon.

[niko_cee]

Yeah, it was a truly disastrous campaign. Historically bad, to match the level of misjudgment which led to calling the damn thing in the first place.

[Yevrah]

Scaremongering by the Remain actually pushed more into the Leave side I reckon.

I think that was true for a lot of people, it nearly did for me as well.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Someone needs to preserve all Gideon's tweets from the last three months and put them in a museum.

[Lee]

No confidence vote in Corbyn has been launched.

For all that I'm gutted about this the last 24 hours has been :drool:

[Vim]

https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/13515311_1205109199521795_1887242810_n.jpg?oh=9f70 f9a1c8b1beb28a4841acf3a786a0&oe=576FBDFD

[niko_cee]

The jock turnout is quite funny in all this seethe. Wasn't the outcome in England always going to decide this, seeing as that's where all the people live?

What's the case for independence with the oil price as it is at the moment? Hope to throw themselves on the mercy of the EU? Just imagine them losing again.

[Bob Sacamano]

Phillipe Auclair appears to have had an absolute meltdown.

[niko_cee]

Donald Trump's reaction is probably more sensible than what appears to be the official US Government position. Not sure if that's a good thing or not.

[Disco]

Wasn't what Juncker said already known? It's an advisory referendum, there wasn't a guillotine hovering over the channel. At the risk of stating the obvious we're still in until the process of leaving takes place, and the renegotiation package obviously won't come into play because what would be the point.

[Gray Fox]

I find it apt that the only party that actually campaigned for what their voters wanted, has won this. And quite comfortably too, compared to how results were expected.

The Tories were always going to be split, but Corbyn seriously fucked Labour over in this.

[elth]

Quite amused by panicked Brexiters suddenly realising that leaving a trade bloc with all of your major trading partners is actually going to have consequences.

[elth]

Labor voters voted to remain about 65-35 from memory.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Phillipe Auclair appears to have had an absolute meltdown.

A great number of people from the world of cosy London creativity that I follow on twitter have had massive spazmaloid seizures. Come on, guys. It's only politics.