The EU Referendum thread - sponsored by Harold's YouTube videos

[Lee]

Cameron is PUMPED UP!!!!

[Yevrah]

If it goes through the parliament, which it will, then the only way it won't hold up is if our own government doesn't enforce it.

Surely the whole thing goes against freedom of movement. And even if it doesn't, how long do you need to be out for before you can come back again? 6 months, or hop on a ferry to Calais and back again.

Not that I care about sending people home, I just can't recall that as being one of the things he had 'negotiated' and I can't see how he could have done.

[Lewis]

How hard is it to say you would veto it? Like you said, you won't even be Prime Minister.

[Lee]

Surely the whole thing goes against freedom of movement. And even if it doesn't, how long do you need to be out for before you can come back again? 6 months, or hop on a ferry to Calais and back again.

Not that I care about sending people home, I just can't recall that as being one of the things he had 'negotiated' and I can't see how he could have done.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36449974

I was wrong. It's a matter for UK law apparently.

Anyway, our opt out of Schengen is also against freedom of movement (though not labour). The EU, like any such institution, is made up of politicians who change the rules based on which way the wind is blowing. If it suits it to change a rule it will change a rule.

[Lee]

Fucker could have done his hair before going on the telly.

[Lee]

Did Dimbleby really open with "Our first question please from Jo Cox?" before correcting himself? Senile old twat. He'll probably soil himself on Thursday night. I like Dimbleby but Cameron wasn't the only one on that show tonight who's past his sell by date.

[Boydy]

He'll probably soil himself on Thursday night.
:D

[Shindig]

Peter Snow needs to be back on TV for the election night.

[Yevrah]

Dimbleby's still a legend and he'll be fine on Thursday. It should be Brillo when he does finally die, but last I heard we were braced for Huw Edwards.

[Lee]

I think Edwards is already agreed. Boring bastard.

Neill is better being allowed to call politicians cunts than having a chat with Peter Kellner and John Curtice.

[GS]

Save Brillo for making the politicians cry on TV. Watching him dissect that snivelling little cunt Matt "Matt Hancock" Hancock was a particular highlight recently.

[Yevrah]

I hadn't seen that, it's gold.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR-gewWitjc

He looked fucking terrified before it kicked off, which is little wonder if the other interviews that appeared when I searched for it were anything to go by.

[GS]

Just caught up with the second half of our glorious leader on TV - just standard, really. He takes a pummelling on immigration (because he can't give a straight answer knowing it won't go down well), Turkey (because diplomatic niceties dictate that he can't) and what his government did (on account of being the Prime Minister and thus responsible for every ill visited on the country). Hopefully it just reminds people that he's a cunt and they're voting for DAVID CAMERON'S BRITAIN.

Irrespective of all that, his invocation of Churchill was a) stupid and b) historically stupid.

It's a right shame when you see the Prime Minister, someone who used to be held in reasonable reverence in the country, basically being laughed at on television by half the audience.

[GS]

I hadn't seen that, it's gold.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR-gewWitjc

He looked fucking terrified before it kicked off, which is little wonder if the other interviews that appeared when I searched for it were anything to go by.

When snivelling little cunts like this are put up on television to defend government policy, it's hardly a surprise that people lose interest and respect for the institutions. You should look at the one with Ed Vaizey where the poor lad is literally laughing at some of the lines he's been sent out to defend.

I blame social media and Tony Blair for all of this. I can't wait until this fucking campaign is over and we can get back to just hurling abuse at everybody from the sidelines over some shit vote on trivial matters like benefit cuts and bombing Syria.

[Lewis]

The Times has a big story about Sayeeda Varsi 'defecting' to Remain, but Vote Leave have said 'We don't remember Warsi ever joining our campaign so we are puzzled by her claims to have defected'. What an attention-seeking twat.

[GS]

If I'd been running the Remain campaign, I'd have planted about eight to twelve "moles" in the Leave camp who would then periodically defect at convenient moments to provide a sense of momentum and to undermine the other side.

"Look, these people are changing sides because they've... [insert convenient excuse]"

[Shindig]

Given how much of it revolves around the NHS and immigration, you could just derail the Leave campaign with two points.

1. The immigrants you're mad at come from outside the EU
2. We could spend that £350m a week on an NHS hospital but we won't.

[GS]

Cameron isn't actually wrong about the state of Leave's main arguments. The Turkey issue especially is a clear case of "Muslims, mate".

This all started with that absurd £4,300 claim by Osborne and it's gone steadily downhill from there. Neither side has a monopoly on ludicrous statements that at best stretch the truth and at worst are outright lies. If anything, it's worse from Cameron and Osborne because they have the weight of their office behind them.

Immigration fires people up, but the sovereignty issue isn't getting the play it needs. That's a sensible, middle of the road argument that may persuade swing voters. Then again, these people have presumably done the necessary polling and decided that winning the Labour vote is based on winning the immigration versus economy argument.

Still, I can't help but feel we're in danger of pissing the one chance we'll have to get out of this crackpot institution up the wall. I'll blame Farage, if necessary. He can't fucking help himself.

[Lee]

That seems pretty nasty and calculated. No doubt there has been a plan in place recently to associate Leave with Farage and 'division' and the idiot hasn't helped himself with his stupid poster. But there will definitely be some on the Remain side thinking privately that getting a muslim woman to 'defect' and basically call out racism and extremism is quite helpful in light of Jo Cox being killed.

I'm sure Cameron and Osborne are clever enough not to have their fingerprints found all over it, mind. They're a pair of bastards. They're also a pair of winners.

[GS]

That seems pretty nasty and calculated. No doubt there has been a plan in place recently to associate Leave with Farage and 'division' and the idiot hasn't helped himself with his stupid poster. But there will definitely be some on the Remain side thinking privately that getting a muslim woman to 'defect' and basically call out racism and extremism is quite helpful in light of Jo Cox being killed.

I'm sure Cameron and Osborne are clever enough not to have their fingerprints found all over it, mind. They're a pair of bastards. They're also a pair of winners.

It was the same with that GP. None of the fundamentals of the argument are any different - so how on earth does the tone of a campaign alter those arguments? I can understand if you're some disengaged member of the public, but if you're a political figure of many years standing you'd expect you'd have formed a view on the matter long before now. It's political opportunism of the worst kind.

My Twitter feed is just littered with these Vote Leave characters expressing genuine surprise that she was apparently on their side to begin with. :D

[Browning]

Did Dimbleby really open with "Our first question please from Jo Cox?" before correcting himself?

Just seen that. Fucking hell it was awkward.

[Boydy]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/gillian-duffy-changed-course-election-8232751

Fucking Gillian Duffy. Why do people keep giving her a platform? She's just a thick old twat.

[Lee]

Brown was bang on about that old bitch. Twat shouldn't have gone back to apologise, as if the whole thing made any difference at all. He was already fucked.

"Everybody tells me they will be voting to leave."

Of course the fucking do, you daft old busybody. If some barrel-chested old bird accosted me in the street I'd tell them whatever took to fuck them off. I bet she's a right nosy old fucker. Proper curtain twitcher.

Anyway; Yev, GS, Floyd: Time to give in. Jake Humphrey has just announced that he's voting Remain on Twitter. It's done.

[GS]

You haven't half turned around from being a mope over it. :moop:

We nearly had it too. I'll continue pinning my hopes on turnout.

[Lee]

You haven't half turned around from being a mope over it. :moop:

We nearly had it too. I'll continue pinning my hopes on turnout.

I don't actually think Jake Humphrey has turned the referendum, you div. :D

I still expect a Leave win. No way those big leads of less than a week ago have just evaporated. It took ages for me to accept there was a trend to Leave and I'm the same the other way around now. You need far more than three decent polls, especially given the circumstances of late last week. Emotional responses are to be expected, but they'll also probably be very short term.

EDIT: I need to confess something. I've seen both Laura Kuenssberg and Sayeesa Warsi on the telly tonight and my first thought was that I'd like to fuck both of them. I reckon I'll be in prison one day.

[GS]

I don't actually think Jake Humphrey has turned the referendum, you div. :D

I still expect a Leave win. No way those big leads of less than a week ago have just evaporated. It took ages for me to accept there was a trend to Leave and I'm the same the other way around now. You need far more than three decent polls, especially given the circumstances of late last week. Emotional responses are to be expected, but they'll also probably be very short term.

I know you don't, for fuck sake. :D You were moping last week and now you have the temerity to jest on the matter.

The Remain swing is a reversion to the status quo - it's expected as people start shitting themselves that it 'might actually happen'. It's different when you're faced with actual consequence (perceived or otherwise). There's quite an interesting table here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Scottish_independence_refe rendum,_2014) on the Scottish referendum, where they consistently underestimate the "No" size of the vote towards the end. Then again, they only had two poll leads for Yes in the entire run-up so it's maybe not wholly comparable.

Fuck knows, really.

I don't buy into any argument regarding the "word on the street" either. Anyone keeping quiet about it will be quietly going down to vote for Remain. If randomers are accosting you on the street (Gillian Duffy, Andrew Marr or Boydy) to tell you what they think, they're not going to be people telling you the EU is great.

[Lee]

I know you don't, for fuck sake. :D You were moping last week and now you have the temerity to jest on the matter.

The Remain swing is a reversion to the status quo - it's expected as people start shitting themselves that it 'might actually happen'. It's different when you're faced with actual consequence (perceived or otherwise). There's quite an interesting table here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Scottish_independence_refe rendum,_2014) on the Scottish referendum, where they consistently underestimate the "No" size of the vote towards the end. Then again, they only had two poll leads for Yes in the entire run-up so it's maybe not wholly comparable.

Fuck knows, really.

I don't buy into any argument regarding the "word on the street" either. Anyone keeping quiet about it will be quietly going down to vote for Remain. If randomers are accosting you on the street (Gillian Duffy, Andrew Marr or Boydy) to tell you what they think, they're not going to be people telling you the EU is great.

What can you do? You go and cast your vote and that's that.

I'm strongly for one side, you're strongly for the other. We are lucky enough to live in a country in which any relative hardship as a result of either outcome is just that; relative. I'd hope we each have the humility to accept that we could be totally wrong about what we believe. Leaving could be brilliant for all I know.

It's quite easy for me, really. As you know one of my main reasons for wanting to stay in is because I feel European. There are other reasons but I've long lost the desire to debate politics on the internet. The UK leaving the EU isn't going to change the irrational emotional bollocks though.

[GS]

I wasn't being serious, Lee.

Apologies if that didn't come across. :moop:

[Lee]

I wasn't being serious, Lee.

Apologies if that didn't come across. :moop:

You were right though, I was mardy last week. I just accepted that my lot are going to lose. If I get a pleasant surprise then so be it.

More than anything this is a test of Yev's clairvoyance. If he gets this one right having declared his hand months ago then I'll reluctantly accept his role as the TTH oracle. He's Mondeo Man.

[Lofty]

What has Yev predicted?

[Jimmy Floyd]

There's still a very real chance that I'll bottle it.

[Byron]

I'm swaying back and forth as well.

Do I vote on the sovereignty argument, or just be selfish and vote on the basis that I'd rather not be in negative equity as soon as I've bought a house.

[leedsrevolution]

I voted leave on here but will be voting remain now. Working in banking I'm seeing so many people transfer money into holding accounts (USD) in fear of the exit. It will hurt our economy pretty hard I think if we leave and fuck that.

[phonics]

If I was actually making a decent wage, my spending power in the UK would have gone up 30% over the course of this campaign. The French will be taking daytrips to England for cheap booze soon enough.

[Lee]

Fuck me this isn't a thread for GS today.

[Lofty]

That professor from the University of Liverpool has been spitting some truths on social media, if anyone caught it.

[Boydy]

From The Economist:


Divided we fall

A vote to leave the European Union would diminish both Britain and Europe
Jun 18th 2016 | From the print edition


The peevishness of the campaigning has obscured the importance of what is at stake. A vote to quit the European Union on June 23rd, which polls say is a growing possibility, would do grave and lasting harm to the politics and economy of Britain. The loss of one of the EU’s biggest members would gouge a deep wound in the rest of Europe. And, with the likes of Donald Trump and Marine Le Pen fuelling economic nationalism and xenophobia, it would mark a defeat for the liberal order that has underpinned the West’s prosperity.

That, clearly, is not the argument of the voices calling to leave. As with Eurosceptics across the EU, their story is about liberation and history. Quitting the sclerotic, undemocratic EU, the Brexiteers say, would set Britain free to reclaim its sovereign destiny as an outward-looking power. Many of these people claim the mantle of liberalism—the creed that this newspaper has long championed. They sign up to the argument that free trade leads to prosperity. They make the right noises about small government and red tape. They say that their rejection of unlimited EU migration stems not from xenophobia so much as a desire to pick people with the most to offer.

The liberal Leavers are peddling an illusion. On contact with the reality of Brexit, their plans will fall apart. If Britain leaves the EU, it is likely to end up poorer, less open and less innovative. Far from reclaiming its global outlook, it will become less influential and more parochial. And without Britain, all of Europe would be worse off.

Start with the economy. Even those voting Leave accept that there will be short-term damage (see article). More important, Britain is unlikely to thrive in the longer run either. Almost half of its exports go to Europe. Access to the single market is vital for the City and to attract foreign direct investment. Yet to maintain that access, Britain will have to observe EU regulations, contribute to the budget and accept the free movement of people—the very things that Leave says it must avoid. To pretend otherwise is to mislead.

Those who advocate leaving make much of the chance to trade more easily with the rest of the world. That, too, is uncertain. Europe has dozens of trade pacts that Britain would need to replace. It would be a smaller, weaker negotiating partner. The timetable would not be under its control, and the slow, grinding history of trade liberalisation shows that mercantilists tend to have the upper hand.

Nor is unshackling Britain from the EU likely to release a spate of liberal reforms at home. As the campaign has run its course, the Brexit side has stoked voters’ prejudices and pandered to a Little England mentality (see article). Despite Leave’s free-market rhetoric, when a loss-making steelworks at Port Talbot in Wales was in danger of closing, Brexiteers clamoured for state aid and tariff protection that even the supposedly protectionist EU would never allow.

The pandering has been still more shameless over immigration. Leave has warned that millions of Turks are about to invade Britain, which is blatantly false. It has blamed strains on public services like health care and education on immigration, when immigrants, who are net contributors to the exchequer, help Britain foot the bill. It suggests that Britain cannot keep out murderers, rapists and terrorists when, in fact, it can.

Britons like to think of themselves as bracingly free-market. They are quick to blame their woes on red tape from Brussels. In reality, though, they are as addicted to regulation as anyone else. Many of the biggest obstacles to growth—too few new houses, poor infrastructure and a skills gap—stem from British-made regulations. In six years of government, the Tories have failed to dismantle them. Leaving the EU would not make it any easier.

How to make friends and irritate people
All this should lead to victory for Remain. Indeed, economists, businesspeople and statesmen from around the world have queued up to warn Britain that leaving would be a mistake (though Mr Trump is a fan). Yet in the post-truth politics that is rocking Western democracies, illusions are more alluring than authority.

Thus the Leave campaign scorns the almost universally gloomy economic forecasts of Britain’s prospects outside the EU as the work of “experts” (as if knowledge was a hindrance to understanding). And it dismisses the Remain camp for representing the elite (as if Boris Johnson, its figurehead and an Oxford-educated old Etonian, personified the common man).

The most corrosive of these illusions is that the EU is run by unaccountable bureaucrats who trample on Britain’s sovereignty as they plot a superstate. As our essay explains, the EU is too often seen through the prism of a short period of intense integration in the 1980s—which laid down plans for, among other things, the single market and the euro. In reality, Brussels is dominated by governments who guard their power jealously. Making them more accountable is an argument about democracy, not sovereignty. The answer is not to storm out but to stay and work to create the Europe that Britain wants.

Some Britons despair of their country’s ability to affect what happens in Brussels. Yet Britain has played a decisive role in Europe—ask the French, who spent the 1960s keeping it out of the club. Competition policy, the single market and enlargement to the east were all championed by Britain, and are profoundly in its interests. So long as Britain does not run away and hide, it has every reason to think that it will continue to have a powerful influence, even over the vexed subject of immigration.

True, David Cameron, the prime minister, failed to win deep reform of Britain’s relations with the EU before the referendum. But he put himself in a weak position by asking for help at the last minute, when governments were at loggerheads over the single currency and refugees.

Some Britons see this as a reason to get out, before the doomed edifice comes tumbling down. Yet the idea that quitting would spare Britain is the greatest illusion of all. Even if Britain can leave the EU it cannot leave Europe. The lesson going back centuries is that, because Britain is affected by what happens in Europe, it needs influence there. If Germany is too powerful, Britain should work with France to counterbalance it. If France wants the EU to be less liberal, Britain should work with the Dutch and the Nordics to stop it. If the EU is prospering, Britain needs to share in the good times. If the EU is failing, it has an interest in seeing the pieces land in the right place.

Over the years this newspaper has found much to criticise in the EU. It is an imperfect, at times maddening club. But it is far better than the alternative. We believe that leaving would be a terrible error. It would weaken Europe and it would impoverish and diminish Britain. Our vote goes to Remain.

[Davgooner]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAgKHSNqxa8

Top bombing.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He got a good 10 minutes out of UKIP being wankers, top satire.

Seen some truly vile stuff on Twitter today from the remain side.

[Boydy]

What like?

[Disco]

The closer it gets the less sure I am of which way I'm going to vote, I wonder how many others are in the same boat.

[Yevrah]

I'm bottling it as well lads.

Remain will win anyway, so it probably doesn't matter, but it's a poor state of affairs nonetheless.

[Yevrah]

When and how will the results be announced?
In answer to a question from John, from Lewes, counts will get under way when polls close at 22:00 GMT Thursday, 23 June at 382 local centres around the UK. These local results will be declared as the counts are completed before being collated at 12 regional centres, which will also declare the totals for each side. There will be a rolling total so the time at which one side reaches the point of being mathematically unbeatable depends on how quickly the vote are counted and how close the results are running. It is a safe bet that from 4am onwards there should be pretty clear picture of which way the vote is going. A chief counting officer will announce the overall result at Manchester Town Hall.

If that means what I think it does then :drool:

[Lee]

I'm going to be so fucked at work on Friday.

[Disco]

I've taken Friday off so I can stay up for the results, which will probably be Remain as people get all 'better the devil you know' as the week goes on.

[Lee]

A quick check of the diaries tells me both my immediate bosses are off on Friday. That's a late start/early finish then.

[GS]

Fuck me this isn't a thread for GS today.

If you put the ballot paper in front of me right now, I can't say with 100% certainty that I'd vote Leave.

:moop:

[Boydy]

:D

[GS]

This is what the Scots felt like, no doubt.

[Lee]

Fucking hell, even GS is having a wobble. Why?

Bloke from Ipsos-Mori is saying there are at least two Remain leads coming in the next 24 hours. Citing "media gossip".

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Don't be such a wet blanket.

[Byron]

What I'd give for Harold to be allowed back for a day.

[Lee]

What I'd give for Harold to be allowed back for a day.

Only the day after, and only if Remain win. I want to hear the conspiracy theories. I still don't think this is in the bag, though. Let's see who turns out.

Is Harold permabanned?

[Byron]

Yeah, fuckwit clause.

[Disco]

Fuck Harold, let's bottle one thing at a time.

[Yevrah]

GS has a good life, as do I. I hadn't countenanced that that would play a factor in my choice, but watching Michael Gove on Question Time really hammered home how much of an unknown a leave vote will be and personally, at two weeks away from 36, I'd rather have as little disruption to my life as possible.

I'm reminded of part of a Ben Elton stand up show (before he went full shit) where he talks about people saying 'well at least you know where you are', citing that we (the British) like things a little bit crap. Not massively you understand, just a little bit, because at least we know where we are.

[Byron]

I guess the fear for Remain now is simply people not turning out, either because people think Remain will win comfortably or because young people are useless.

[Lee]

I guess the fear for Remain now is simply people not turning out, either because people think Remain will win comfortably or because young people are useless.

Both risks, but the the white working class, who are vociferously out, are terrible at turning up too.

[GS]

Fucking hell, even GS is having a wobble. Why?


GS has a good life, as do I. I hadn't countenanced that that would play a factor in my choice, but watching Michael Gove on Question Time really hammered home how much of an unknown a leave vote will be and personally, at two weeks away from 36, I'd rather have as little disruption to my life as possible.

Yev has summarised it very well. It's for entirely selfish reasons. I got promoted again last week, and it's focused my mind on my 'medium-term' plan - I obviously want to keep kicking on, but you're only going to do that if you have a steady flow of solid project work that builds your CV up and gives you the type of exposure you need.

There are already quite adverse market conditions in the type of thing I do on the back of even holding the bloody vote - investors etc. holding off on deals until they know the lay of the land - and if we leave, that could well continue for years. My job would never be in danger, but I don't want to be pissing about with shite work or having to work nationally because the local market has collapsed until 2020 - and then find that what I thought I was voting for isn't going to happen anyway because Prime Minister Johnson has negotiated a better deal and has decided to hold another referendum.

I'm very, very attached to the sovereignty argument, and it's why I've been utterly steadfast on a leave vote. But if one is honest, it has no impact whatsoever on day to day life. I'm in a very comfortable position now, and it's a question of whether it's really worth potentially pissing that up the wall on principle.

Then again, I don't really want to give Dave and Gideon the satisfaction.

Talk to me, lads.

[Lewis]

You're being a cunt.

[Jimmy Floyd]

New YouGov shows a 2% lead for Leave.

It's not over yet.

[Yevrah]

I'm in exactly the same boat as you GS I think.

I'm not one to talk much about work, but I've seen the same signs you have over the last few months and (after last year's election as well) I'd rather things just calmed the fuck down and there weren't these outside influences fucking with our economy.

[Shindig]

You're being a cunt.

You're unemployed regardless. Unless you think there's 18 Poles for every vacancy you plumb for.

[Lee]

YouGov:

Remain 42 (-1)
Leave 44 (+2)

ORB (all adults)

Remain 49 (-)
Leave 47 (+3)

(Certain to vote)

Remain 53 (+5)
Leave 46 (-3)

ORB treat the all adults figure as their headline. Still all to play for.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm holding firm on Leave for now, but I can definitely see the pencil going wobbly in the actual polling booth.

[leedsrevolution]

You're being a cunt.

That's a bit harsh. He makes a valid point - I'm watching money get shipped into holding accounts everyday in case there's an exit. It's not really a big deal for you though is it? Your mum charges you an extra tenner board and the price of dog food goes up 50p. GS is lucky saying his job is safe, cos mine fucking wouldn't be.

[GS]

YouGov:

Remain 42 (-1)
Leave 44 (+2)

ORB (all adults)

Remain 49 (-)
Leave 47 (+3)

(Certain to vote)

Remain 53 (+5)
Leave 46 (-3)

ORB treat the all adults figure as their headline. Still all to play for.

The latter is a phone poll, confirming the reversion to the status quo as even staunch leave advocates reconsider as the day for actually ticking the fucking box heaves into view.

[Lewis]

That's a bit harsh. He makes a valid point - I'm watching money get shipped into holding accounts everyday in case there's an exit. It's not really a big deal for you though is it? Your mum charges you an extra tenner board and the price of dog food goes up 50p. GS is lucky saying his job is safe, cos mine fucking wouldn't be.

I don't pay board, and my brother pays for the dog's food, so stay out of our banter you wank.

[Lee]

The latter is a phone poll, confirming the reversion to the status quo as even staunch leave advocates reconsider as the day for actually ticking the fucking box heaves into view.

YouGov aren't Mickey Mouse. This isn't done yet.

And the trend is towards Leave in ORB's headline figures.

[Boydy]

I'm holding firm on Leave for now, but I can definitely see the pencil going wobbly in the actual polling booth.
Take a pen, they can't rub it out.


I don't pay board, and my brother pays for the dog's food, so stay out of our banter you wank.

:D

[Magic]

Just fixed my mortgage for the next three years so fuck it. Bring it on. It's with bank of Ireland as well. What could go wrong?

[GS]

We should reset the poll so we can speculate needlessly on the final margin of victory (or defeat) for Remain.

I'm still going with Remain 54-46.

[Lee]

55-45 Remain. People are going to bottle it on the day.

[Lofty]

Actual Soveriegnty or what is being loosely defined as Soveriegnty by the Leave campaign, GS?

[url=https://youtu.be/USTypBKEd8Y]This[\url] is the guy I was on about, covers that particular issue too. He did a written follow up regarding immigration.

[Lofty]

I'm on a phone and I'm pissed so not gonna work out what's gone wrong there :moop:

[Lee]

Don't turn him back to Leave, for fuck's sake.

GS, if we leave you're being made redundant, okay mate?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Remain arguing with 'facts' or 'evidence' as they see it is pointless, and they still haven't realised this, which has caused all the recent seething on their part. It simply does not matter what facts and numbers you bring to the table, they do not matter at all and they need to stop using them if they want to win. What matters is what people feel based on their own experiences.

People bringing up three kids on fuck all wage don't give a flying fuck about macroeconomics, and nor should they.

[niko_cee]

Leave is probably going to win and the seethe will be all the more hilarious for this little blip of sentimentalism etc. Nothing will change either way. You may as well vote out to get a slightly better deal than nothing out of the ensuing fudge.

[Spoonsky]

It will definitely go Remain. TTH has got to be more coldly rational and unemotional than the average voter, and even you're all wobbling on it.

[Magic]

60-40 remain.

[Kikó]

I didn't realise Jimmy was Michael Gove.

I've decided. I'm voting remain.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It will definitely go Remain. TTH has got to be more coldly rational and unemotional than the average voter, and even you're all wobbling on it.

We're also all in the Remain demographic.

[Lee]

I listened to Gove on the way into work this morning and he was really good. Intelligent, open, funny. Impressed with him as a personality.

Political Betting is leading this morning with Nuneaton and Bedworth being a bellwether authority in Thursday night. If that's the case, lump on leave now whilst the odds are nice. I'll be doing so at some point today. Probably after the Survation poll at 1330 which, being a telephone poll, is likely to have Remain ahead and hopefully push the odds further.

I just don't see the area not going Leave comfortably unless all the white working class voters - who are numerous - stay at home. If Nuneaton and Bedworth is a bellwether borough then Leave has won.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm considering a Leave bet (I haven't bet at all yet, wisely) on the basis that all the recent referenda/elections - 2010, AV referendum, Scotland, 2015 - have seen Twitter take a heavy beating on election day, having wanked itself into a position of smug superiority.

[phonics]

Saw an interesting map that put 'Amount of money received by EU' and 'Supports the EU' on top of each other and it's practically bang on opposite, with places that get the most EU money being the most anti-EU and the ones that get the least being pro-EU.

Funny that.

[niko_cee]

Presumably that's direct money, rather than benefits of being in the common market etc. Presumably London doesn't get that much, but its services sector benefits massively, whereas the places that get a road built have had their communities/industries destroyed (which mechanism of the elite/Illuminati/NWO has done this is arguable) and so are a bit less chipper about the whole thing.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Direct money is bollocks. It's like your gran giving you £20 for Christmas: nice to have, but not the principle benefit of having a gran.

[Mazuuurk]

Wow, I just saw the poll. I understand someone like Harold wanting to leave, maybe even Lewis based on some dated idea of Imperial glory or whatever (but not really being serious about it), but I really thought that 90% of the people on here would want to stay. It seems absolutely mental to want to leave to be honest.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Cameron's twitter says: 'David Beckham is clear: we should be facing the problems of the world together and not alone.'

Mate, you're the Prime Minister.

[Byron]

Is there a word for 'so shameless you'd sell your own mother for a vote'?

[Lee]

Survation have it 45-44 to Remain, with Leave gaining a couple of points. Definitely not done.

[Lee]

Cameron has just made a statement outside No. 10 pleading with people to vote remain? Older people especially?

He thinks he has lost.

[Bartholomert]

Remain is maybe the better short-term option but absolutely suicide in the long-run.

Anyways I predicted 54-46 because people will BOTTLE IT at the last minute and I'm sticking with it. What are the betting markets saying?

[Lee]

Remain is maybe the better short-term option but absolutely suicide in the long-run.

Anyways I predicted 54-46 because people will BOTTLE IT at the last minute and I'm sticking with it. What are the betting markets saying?

About 75-25 in favour of Remain.

[SvN]

Betfair expects the decision to be 54/46 looking at the odds.

[7om]

I've got my proxy vote set up and I've been Leave the whole way but I'm having a wobble at the last minute.

Whatever the fuck happens, Thursday night is going to be spectacular and being 5 hours behind I'll be able to watch Dimbleby die on set.

[Lee]

Why are you wobbling?

I'm surprised at the number of late switchers on here. I know we're not a representative group but if the mentality here is representative then Leave need to be doing better than neck and neck going into Thursday.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's just classic fear of change, nothing more. Maybe to some extent the huge moral assault being launched against all Leave voters very aggressively by the media/London elite types, which you probably won't have experienced in the same way as a certified Remainer.

We're basically being told from all quarters that all Leave voters are vile racists and we are responsible for Jo Cox's murder. Not everybody is going to withstand that.

[7om]

The stigma of being wrongly called a racist for wanting to leave doesn't affect me at all. Just because it's not accurate.

The part that worries me is the short-term impact on the economy. It's a worrying thing to imagine just because we all knew how fucking shit 2008-2011 was and nobody wants a repeat of that. Cameron getting all the foreign leaders in to scare us hasn't helped either. Whether or not we would be 'back of the queue' on new trade deals, I don't know, but just the idea is enough to sway people, I imagine.

I'll probably still vote Leave but I imagine a lot of people in the same boat will jump ship to keep the status quo. I'd be surprised if Remain don't win, to be honest.

[Baz]

People over 60 shouldn't be allowed to vote.

[Kikó]

The good news is we're probably going to go into a recession either way so don't worry too much.

[niko_cee]

:D

The scenes when the vote is to remain and the markets tank anyway.

[phonics]

In today's performance of The Worst Campaign Ever by Satire Is Dead Productions, Michael Gove and John Barnes.

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[GS]

"Becks" choosing Remain surely seals it.

[Lee]

I listened to Gove this morning and he was clearly taking the piss. The Barnes thing was a mistake (he mentioned Sol Campbell first so was peobably just listing black footballer he's heard of) but he wasn't making a serious point. He came across very well so I've decided he's a nice bloke.

[GS]

Gove would be the best man to be the next Prime Minister, I reckon.

[Lee]

I don't think he's electable. Well he is against Corbyn, but not against anybody competent.

I reckon it's May's to lose.

[GS]

God help us all.

He may not be electable, but he's the best man rather than the best bet. If that makes sense.

[Lewis]

Two hours of this shit.

[Spikey M]

Was the idea of all this campaigning designed to make me not give a fuck whether we go or stay? I just want it fucking done now. Everyone has made their mind up and if they haven't they're a cunt and probably wont vote anyway.

[Lewis]

Magda Goebbels is the best thing on this by miles.

[Lewis]

Sadiq Khan is rubbish, he believes his own hype, and he has a fly buzzing around him because he smells.

[Lofty]

Boris is the bookie's favourite to be next PM.

[Lee]

I've watched about 3 minutes of this and it's shit. Can't be doing with them trying to shout over one another and the acoustics are crap.

[Yevrah]

How either side has the right to accuse the other of scaremongering without contracting terminal hypocrisy is utterly beyond me.

[Lee]

Has Johnson just said "I'm a Turk"?

I'm done.

EDIT: And now this stupid bint re-running Ed Miliband's 2015 election campaign, for fuck's sake.

[Yevrah]

Yeah, this is enough.

Let's bring on the Dimbleby-athon on Thursday and put this shit to bed.

[Lee]

Yeah, this is enough.

Let's bring on the Dimbleby-athon on Thursday and put this shit to bed.

Will you ever watch election night again once Edwards takes his turn?

[Spikey M]

At what time are we expecting the result Thursday night/Friday morning? I want to watch it but I have the baby alone and will have to sleep while I can.

[Lee]

At what time are we expecting the result Thursday night/Friday morning? I want to watch it but I have the baby alone and will have to sleep while I can.

Depends how close it is. We might have a decent idea at 2am, we might still be guessing at 5am. There is a spreadsheet I've seen knocking about which tells you what you'd expect the score to be by borough if things were 50/50, which should give a decent indication. But it was on Twitter so I'm fucked if I can find it now. Google Chris Hanretty; it was his, I think.

[Spikey M]

To be honest, midnight was about my limit. Although I can check at the 3am feed. :cool:

[Lewis]

How easy/hard do you think it would be to just avoid politics without becoming completely ignorant? It annoys me, so Friday would be a good starting point.

[Spikey M]

I was asked by a co-worker last week if we'd be allowed to carry on at Euro 2016 if we 'left europe'. It's not worth the risk, Lew.

[Boydy]

:D

Fucking hell.

[Lewis]

I'm pretty set on not voting anymore, but I want to still know what's going on in Syria without having to listen to this sort of crap.

[Boydy]

Just read certain parts of the paper then.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

I had no idea Sadiq Khan was this much of an insufferable twat.

[Magic]

Are there any brown people in Monifieth?

[Lewis]

Toby has carried remain, but she's also torched her leadership prospects forever, so well in mate.

[Spikey M]

I thought you lived for this shit, Lewis?

[Yevrah]

Will you ever watch election night again once Edwards takes his turn?

It's hard to know for definite, but I suspect it'll be time to move on to something else at that stage.

Picking up on events after the post I'm quoting I do wonder what the point of being reasonably interested in it is. I guess it's just an adult soap opera type fix for me and I used to like Eastenders but got bored of that.

[Lewis]

I thought you lived for this shit, Lewis?

It just makes me seethe now, as if I'm following a crap football team, so what's the point?

[Lee]

I guess it's just an adult soap opera type fix for me and I used to like Eastenders but got bored of that.

That's exactly how I see it. This referendum has been a particularly shit episode though.

[Lewis]

How is this BNP donation relevant when they're backed by Martin McGuinness?

[Magic]

It just so happens I'll be in Peterhead when the result is announced so I'll be giving it large to those fishing wankers when we vote to remain. :drool:

[GS]

I'm catching up and I'm about a quarter of the way through.

Frances O'Grady is deeply unimpressive thus far. Just fucking WHINGE.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The only decent people in it were Gisela Stuart (lol at Alan Sugar, stupid tit) and Super Ruth.

[GS]

Gisela Stewart, on account of being both left wing and an immigrant, must destroy Remain's tactics engine when they're trying to work out how to slander the other side.

[GS]

Sadiq Khan is fucking useless here.

Why can no-one make the point that "we'd still bring doctors and nurses in because we'd have a list of professions or skills shortages where people get visas"?

For fuck sake.

[Spikey M]

I'm pretty sure that's what they mean when they shout 'Like Australia'.

[Shindig]

Had a look at the AV referendum results just now. Now there was a bollocks campaign to rival this one.

[GS]

Yes to AV was a disgracefully run campaign. I'm glad it lost in hindsight, given how shite it was.

[Lewis]

The yes campaign was useless (predictably, seeing as it was run by and for wankers), but the no campaign was a lot more dishonest with its shit about cost and 'Ooh the BNP might get in'.

[GS]

Both were shit. I think there might be a pattern, there.

I've got over my wobble, by the way. The state of the remain arguments in this 'debate'.

[GS]

Frances O'Grady invoking the Good Friday Agreement has just sent my bullshit radar into overdrive. What an utterly ill-informed wanker.

EDIT: Sadiq Khan has just started shouting "WE CAN DO IT" at Gisela Stewart. He's so shit. This man is Mayor of London.

[niko_cee]

Sterling work from Lord Dickhead, sorry, Sugar.

[Davgooner]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulkh10sSmVE

Absolutely fucking mental, that lot.

[phonics]

Enjoyed the Ben Goldacre thing here

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YdtUabICi-C1RMMJGOJQH2omv1sJ53zUlJLH1Ets8BM/preview

[Shindig]

And those chickens went on to become food. Take that, EU.

[phonics]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CliYoy1UYAAKSy1.jpg:large

How things change.

We'll see how using the Queen again works out.

[Bartholomert]

http://www.electomatic.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/brexit-satire.jpg

[Disco]

If we get giant dinosaurs attacking London then I'm definitely voting Leave.

[phonics]

http://www.electomatic.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/brexit-satire.jpg

They're far more reasonable on the Leave side

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[Jimmy Floyd]

If one more person equates all Leave voters with Ukip nutbags, Remain should be disqualified as a voting option.

It's like saying that because you vote Remain, you agree with George Osborne about everything.

[phonics]

If one more person equates all Leave voters with Ukip nutbags, Remain should be disqualified as a voting option.

It's like saying that because you vote Remain, you agree with George Osborne about everything.

Where have I done that?

edit: Merts picture just reminded me of my favourite political photoshop of all time

https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12036419_10156113989240381_3517923424508633605_n.j pg?oh=9c38e060be535ce35d9593746af65828&oe=580C0519

[Disco]

Corbyn is the Gillberg of politics, possibly Hornswaggle.

[phonics]

https://i.imgur.com/YttGLEi.png

This has been my view on immigration since the beginning, one I haven't heard throughout the whole campaign and it's bloody John Barnes who comes out with it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The thing is, 'immigration' isn't even really about immigration these days, even when people say it is. It's about globalisation.

I personally have no problem with immigration.

[Pepe]

It's about browns. Nobody cares for white immigrants.

[phonics]

It's about browns. Nobody cares for white immigrants.

They definitely do here. Poles are our Mexicans. The rest were just scum who we didn't want as part of the workforce because they were lazy/put your racial stereotype here.

[Pepe]

Oh yes, forgot about Eastern Europe for a second there. Still, Muslims have definitely sent the whole think into overdrive.

[phonics]

The thing is, 'immigration' isn't even really about immigration these days, even when people say it is. It's about globalisation.

I personally have no problem with immigration.

Globalisation will end the day we leave the EU and are forced to make bigger trade deals with China and the US to make up for it. I can see the logic.

[7om]

I'd love to see Cameron get an RKO during PMQs.

[phonics]

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[Lee]

Whatever move there was to Remain seems to be over. Opinium have Leave 45-44 up, having previously been dead level.

[Lewis]

It really needed to have a clear lead didn't it, assuming the normal late break back to the status quo (unless the polling dickheads factor that in)?

[Lee]

Who knows? The consensus seems to be that Leave need a bigger lead than that, and the Scottish referendum would suggest that's true, but it's just guessing now.

[Lewis]

It will be interesting to see the papers tomorrow. Jean Claude Juncker all but shat on the 'stay and reform' mongoloids earlier, which could be good as headlines go, but they probably all have their front pages ready to go.

[phonics]

Can I say right now that polls are a load of wank and I struggle to understand why you're still trusting the predictions of groups who cocked up the last general election. (far easier to gauge on then this situation)

[Jimmy Floyd]

Globalisation will end the day we leave the EU and are forced to make bigger trade deals with China and the US to make up for it. I can see the logic.

No but there are many, many people in this country who globalisation works squarely against - particularly in the old industrial areas which have been made redundant by cheaper foreign goods - and an EU vote is as close as they will ever have to speaking out against what's happened to them.

You're looking at it too holistically.

[Lee]

Leave 43-41 up with TNS, down from a 7 point lead but apparently Leave 7 ahead when filtered for voting likelihood.

Not convinced that 16% are undecided at this stage.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They probably just won't vote.

This is tight as a gnat's. Or isn't. Who can say.

[Lee]

I'm left hoping the polls are wrong. They'd better be fucking wrong.

[Jimmy Floyd]

65% Leave. God imagine the scenes.

[GS]

https://i.imgur.com/YttGLEi.png

This has been my view on immigration since the beginning, one I haven't heard throughout the whole campaign and it's bloody John Barnes who comes out with it.

That's not a solution. Constantly raising the minimum wage puts continued pressure on business to keep up. They'll just end up cutting jobs to save the cost, or pushing the increased cost onto the consumer and thus making things more expensive. Irrespective, it wouldn't solve the fundamental problem which is that the minimum wage becomes the maximum wage in certain sectors and at certain grades of work, creating entire industries where jobs are completely dead-end.

Companies know there's no point in investing in you as an individual. Why would they? They can get another worker in for rock bottom cost because there's a huge demand/supply imbalance. One of the ways to try and solve this issue is to restrict the unskilled labour market - not in a post-Black Death manner, but preventing a constant flow of new immigrants who are prepared to work for minimum wage and depressing wages in a given sector or area. This effect is acknowledged by the Bank of England, so it's not as if it's something which leave campaigners have fabricated.

It's perfectly valid for remain campaigners to say that this happens, but the country as a whole benefits from it and thus that's just tough shit on the people who lose out. It's also perfectly valid for those who lose out to be angry that this 'experiment' in globalisation has been forced on them. As Jimmy says, that disillusionment seems to be particularly profound in the post-industrial towns around the UK. They're not racist or xenophobic - they want some recognition that 'the single market' has completely shafted them. They want change, basically, and if a leave vote is the only thing on offer then they're going to take it.

It would help if people didn't dismiss everybody voting leave as the equivalent of a UKIP nutter or a fascist, because that's only going to make the sense that literally nobody gives a fuck even worse. Labour have made a fairly serious contribution to this, mind. They're basically a left intellectual liberal elite party full of champagne socialist types who spend half their time patronising their traditional heartlands and the other half campaigning on issues that those in the traditional heartlands don't give a fuck about.

[GS]

65% Leave. God imagine the scenes.

I've got over my wobble and am resolved on a leave vote.

It's the only chance we're going to get to have a say, and the EU isn't reformable.

[Lee]

You're going to win, lads.

At least I'm going to Greece within a week of the vote so I can have a look around and just think "yeah, fair enough".

[GS]

It's clearly tight. I remain convinced there's a huge "well, things aren't that bad" vote sitting behind the polls, and the tightness of the race should motivate previously uninterested soft remainers to turn up. There would need to be a low turnout, which I don't think we'll see. I'd expect 75%+.

I still think we're looking at a high single digit win for Remain - I don't think Leave have sufficiently made the other side look like an equally risky option.

[Yevrah]

You're going to win, lads.

At least I'm going to Greece within a week of the vote so I can have a look around and just think "yeah, fair enough".

Out of interest, how do you reconcile your remain vote with what the EU did to Greece?

[Boydy]

You're going to win, lads.

At least I'm going to Greece within a week of the vote so I can have a look around and just think "yeah, fair enough".

I reckon being unemployed during a recession somewhere like that wouldn't even be that bad. Oh no, I don't have any work to go to, I'll just sit on the beach all day in the glorious weather. How awful. Whereas here, it's just grey and depressing all the time.

[Spoonsky]

So move to Greece.

[Boydy]

I'm not unemployed here.

Nor do I speak Greek.

[Dquincy]

Just saw a kid offer David Cameron a £1 coin on bbc news. :D

Dave turned it down.

[Lee]

Out of interest, how do you reconcile your remain vote with what the EU did to Greece?

I don't. I think it was wholly wrong. But I also don't think it was fundamentally undemocratic. The Finance Minister of Germany has as much of a democratic mandate to reject the notion that German tax money should prop up the Greek economy as the Finance Minister of Greece does to protect the interests of his or her own electorate. Indeed in raw numbers terms, the government of Germany has more votes.

The involvement of the ECB is certainly questionable although it can be argued that it should be involved in something which might destabilise the currency and impact the entire Eurozone. I find the involvement of the IMF far less palatable. The Greeks themselves have questions to answer given their pointless tax collection regime and chronic indolence. They should never have been allowed to join the Euro in the first place, really. For me the person who emerged from the whole mess with any credit was Yanis Varoufakis. Who, oddly enough, still favours an integrated Europe. I agree with many of his pronouncements as to how it should look.

I want to live in a Europe with a directly elected president and/or electorate. I think we should pool resources in the trade, economic and military spheres. It just makes sense to me. I like the idea of a federal European entity with significant powers devolved to nation states and at even more local levels than that.

I am in favour, for example, of a truly federal UK including devolution of powers to major cities and regions where that's appropriate. Pool resources at a supranational level where size matters (under the correct, democratic governance arrangements) and devolve other stuff more locally where responsiveness to specific needs is more beneficial. There is room for both.

The EU has a history of becoming more democratic over time, not less. The notion that it is some external body doing stuff to nation states is a myth. All the governments of all the nation states combine to drive the direction of the EU. The problem I have with the EU is with how slowly it moves in the direction I want it to but that's just me being selfish. The reason it moves so slowly is because that's the collective will of the elected governments of its member states.

I doubt what I want to see for Europe will ever come to pass, and I'm even more doubtful that the UK will be a part of such progress even if it does. But we definitely won't if we leave, so in political terms that's my basis for my Remain vote, and why this campaign has been pointless in the context of my own vote.

The stuff I've spoken about before about identifying as European before anything else also stands, of course, but that doesn't change whatever happens tomorrow. Britain will still be in Europe and I will still be European. I'll nevertheless feel very sad about a leave vote, which I feel now is the most likely outcome.

[Dquincy]

Stupid question alert:

Are the votes counted per constituency or a total number of individual votes? I think it's the latter but not sure.

[Lee]

Stupid question alert:

Are the votes counted per constituency or a total number of individual votes? I think it's the latter but not sure.

I think they're counted at local authority (rather than parliamentary constituency) to give us a running total before a final national result is annouced in Manchester when everything is in.

[Lewis]

Yeah. Fuck the Greeks.

[Lee]

Yeah. Fuck the Greeks.

I think that the Germans were instransigent and that they behaved appallingly. But they're hardly going to fuck over their own economy are they? I'm not a fan of the current German government at all but they were elected to safeguard the interests of Germany so they had a mandate to behave like cunts.

[Shindig]

Tomorrow will be the first time I've voted. Awesome that I've made it into my thirties before managing that.

[Lee]

Which way are you going?

[Shindig]

Remain. Whilst I don't think a Leave win is a disaster, it'll be fraught with compromise. The kind of compromise that says, "Why leave in the first place?" Remain doesn't need a plan because we're already living in it (and our problems stem from Westminster, not Brussels) whilst Leave haven't presented a plan because that's Dave's job once the vote is over.

[Lewis]

'Barring a massive and unique loss of nerve', this (http://reaction.life/brexit-will-win/) nerd (who got the turnout and result in Scotland right) reckons we'll leave on a shitty turnout. That would be ideal as far as the seethe goes, since people would question its legitimacy and turn on each other for not voting. :drool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

'Only 24% of the electorate voted to take us out.'

:drool:

[GS]

I think that the Germans were instransigent and that they behaved appallingly. But they're hardly going to fuck over their own economy are they? I'm not a fan of the current German government at all but they were elected to safeguard the interests of Germany so they had a mandate to behave like cunts.

The Greeks should never have been allowed into the single currency. It's just a complete waste of time for the smaller countries. They should be negotiating a 'soft landing' exit from the euro, but then that would necessitate accepting that it doesn't work and nobody's prepared to do that.

[GS]

'Only 24% of the electorate voted to take us out.'

:drool:

There's no way the turnout would be that low, surely. This has got massive coverage in the media - it's not something that's a complete waste of time like the AV referendum.

[Jimmy Floyd]

No but that's what lefties always whinge about the legitimacy of Tory governments.

[Lee]

ComRes (phone) have it Remain 54 Leave 46 excluding don't knows (48-42 with them) and YouGov (online) have it 51:49 to Remain. Add those to the two polls showing narrow Leave leads earlier and the ComRes looks a bit out of kilter. Tight as.

[GS]

No but that's what lefties always whinge about the legitimacy of Tory governments.

Absolutely - but there's no way we're seeing turnout below 60% for this, surely.

[GS]

ComRes (phone) have it Remain 54 Leave 46 excluding don't knows (48-42 with them) and YouGov (online) have it 51:49 to Remain. Add those to the two polls showing narrow Leave leads earlier and the ComRes looks a bit out of kilter. Tight as.

Two phone polls have you with a healthy lead. I think you'll win - London alone will probably save the day.

[Spoonsky]

Speaking of nerds ( GS Lee):

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/british-referendum-polls-are-a-mess/

[Lee]

Two phone polls have you with a healthy lead. I think you'll win - London alone will probably save the day.

There are pros and cons to both modes. The only thing I can think is in favour if Remain is that BMG's research showed that Remain voters may be more difficult to get hold of and thus poll. We'll see. Nervy night incoming.

[Lewis]

BOTTLE JOB.

In an intelligent world Suzanne Evans would be installed as UKIP leader by Saturday, so expect the idiots to slip another attempted purge under the radar.

[GS]

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[Lee]

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ICM phone poll had Leave 6 ahead.

Survation phone poll had Remain 1 ahead.

Smithson is being a bit selective there.

Are we just on PB and Twitter at the same time and quoting stuff to one another? :D

[phonics]

Absolutely - but there's no way we're seeing turnout below 60% for this, surely.

Not a chance.

[Cord]

I know you can't really go off anecdotal evidence, but even being within London I'm not sure I've heard any remain support coming from anyone outside the young graduate demographic, which you'd imagine won't win when put up against both the old and the working class and a healthy percentage of the assorted other conservative voters.

Leave by about 3-5% would be my guess.

[GS]

ICM phone poll had Leave 6 ahead.

Survation phone poll had Remain 1 ahead.

Smithson is being a bit selective there.

Are we just on PB and Twitter at the same time and quoting stuff to one another? :D

My suspicion is we might well be. :D

I'm just going through the various TWEETS from earlier. I've purged my 'feed' of most of the shit, so it's actually proving a very useful news source indeed nowadays.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Dear old Mike has been barely containing his pro-Remain sentiments throughout the whole thing. Feel a bit sorry for him really. He must win thousands upon thousands, but his favourite politicians/parties always lose.

[Lee]

My suspicion is we might well be. :D

I'm just going through the various TWEETS from earlier. I've purged my 'feed' of most of the shit, so it's actually proving a very useful news source indeed nowadays.

Twitter, used properly, is fantastic.

[Bartholomert]

Really hope Leave pulls through if only for the lulz / chaos

[Lewis]

http://i64.tinypic.com/10durt4.jpg

I might go and get a copy.

[Lee]

The Sun know how to pull off a front page. Unfortunately the film is meant to be shit.

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/745742071558963201

If those are at all aligned with voter feelings, then Remain are in trouble. The Leave papers are yelling their soliders onwards, whilst from the Remain side it's all hmm, well, let's hope for the best eh.

[Lewis]

That bumhole Mirror page is about right.

[Disco]

'Clutches' :D

In other news I prepared a price rise for our biggest customer today, all ready to go for Friday incase Leave wins the exchange rate tanks.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The Koreans, fucking world experts in political and economic union as they are, are split between Remain (something to do with VAT) and Leave (they won't need to adhere to EU laws about truck drivers only doing 8 hour shifts, so they'll be able to force them to drive through the night to deliver chips to the Czech slave pits a day earlier, or so they imagine).

Hopefully the sky falls in and I get a nice redundancy offer.

[Pepe]

Polls :sick:

[7om]

I'm staying strong and going with Leave.

Can't wait for tomorrow night's meltdown.

[Spoonsky]

Good luck lads. Don't bottle it, however you're voting.

[Mike]

I'm going voting after work. I hardly voted before I lived where I am now. Now my voting station is in a pub I'm there every time.

[Shindig]

Mine's switched to a leisure center. Going to pop in before work. Err... how long do I need?

[-james-]

My postal vote never arrived. And people think this country could run itself.

[Lee]

Are you entitled to a vote in this? I thought only Bruts, Irish, Cypriots and commonwealth mates got a vote.

[Dquincy]

Postal vote for me, so I did mine ages ago.

Voted Remain due to the short term gain (or should i say, to avoid any short term downturn). Probably short sighted of me.

[-james-]

Are you entitled to a vote in this? I thought only Bruts, Irish, Cypriots and commonwealth mates got a vote.

I have a British passport.

[Shindig]

Well, I'm done. There was me thinking a misspelt name on a polling card would mean something.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I voted to Leave. I also voted to Remain by proxy for my brother, so whatever happens, you can't blame me.

In the polling station I saw a man with hipster glasses, a man in a business suit, and a teenage girl wearing so little that you could see the creases of her buttocks. Based on this demographic, Remain should win easily, but hopefully this post will cause Magic to stay in wanking all day and not vote.

[niko_cee]

You need to have been eligible to vote in a general election in the last 15 years, I think, to be eligible to vote in this. I could have had one if I could have been bothered, although I thought voting as an outlander on the issue of national sovereignty was probably a bit hypocritical, so the wife's remain went unopposed.

[Shindig]

I voted to Leave. I also voted to Remain by proxy for my brother, so whatever happens, you can't blame me.

In the polling station I saw a man with hipster glasses, a man in a business suit, and a teenage girl wearing so little that you could see the creases of her buttocks. Based on this demographic, Remain should win easily, but hopefully this post will cause Magic to stay in wanking all day and not vote.

A couple of older women and a third came in with a proxy vote. I couldn't quite read that room. Durham's studenty enough that Remain could win but it's middle class enough to fuck itself over.

[Dquincy]

I voted to Leave. I also voted to Remain by proxy for my brother, so whatever happens, you can't blame me.

In the polling station I saw a man with hipster glasses, a man in a business suit, and a teenage girl wearing so little that you could see the creases of her buttocks. Based on this demographic, Remain should win easily, but hopefully this post will cause Magic to stay in wanking all day and not vote.
1. What's the point of voting if you've just cancelled out your own vote?
2. How nice were the teenager's buttocks? 1 to 10?

[Shindig]

Jimmy believes in democracy.

[Jimmy Floyd]

1. What's the point of voting if you've just cancelled out your own vote?
2. How nice were the teenager's buttocks? 1 to 10?

1. I didn't, my brother did.
2. I couldn't say.

[Davgooner]

Going to walk up tonight and vote, assuming I can find our new polling station. I wonder how many of the hordes in France at the minute thought about sorting a proxy vote?

We need a TTH exit poll.

[Bartholomert]

Please don't bottle it. Have a fucking spine once for the first time in 60 years and do something in your selfish self-interest.

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[Dquincy]

Word on the street is that D Cam will need to offer his resignation if the Remain campaign loses.

Boris to swoop in like a mofo.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Boris would be a detestably bad PM.

Don't think any current Tory is shit enough to lose to Corbyn though.

[Disco]

Going to walk up tonight and vote, assuming I can find our new polling station. I wonder how many of the hordes in France at the minute thought about sorting a proxy vote?

We need a TTH exit poll.

This.

I'm not home until later, someone get a thread up for the coverage and stick a new poll on it.

[Magic]

I postal voted Remain. So did the wife. I reckon she only voted remain because she knows she'll be financially better off, if not worse off in every other area. That's why she voted to remain with me, also.

[SvN]

I was on the fence, but Mert has convinced me to vote Remain.

[Magic]

So we can get 12 MILLION TURKS immediately arriving on Britain's shores on Saturday?

[Bartholomert]

I was on the fence, but Mert has convinced me to vote Remain.

Pussy. Your ancestors would spit on you in disgust.

Also what is this shit about proxy voting?

[phonics]

It's pretty self-explanatory. You register someone to vote in your name if you won't be able to attend a polling station. In a democracy you make it as easy as possible for people to vote instead of trying to bring in laws to disenfranchise them.

[Bartholomert]

It's pretty self-explanatory. You register someone to vote in your name if you won't be able to attend a polling station. In a democracy you make it as easy as possible for people to vote instead of trying to bring in laws to disenfranchise them.

That seems retarded and very open to voter fraud.

[Gray Fox]

Voted to leave. No wobble from me. The fallout from either result will be interesting to watch.

[Lee]

Ipsos Mori's final poll (telephone):

Remain 52 (+5)
Leave 48 (-5)

Populus (online, I think) due at 12.

[SvN]

Odds on Betfair for Remain have shortened from 1.35 to 1.16 since yesterday.

[Gray Fox]

I think Remain has this in the bag. Probably more 53-47.

My question is what happens in the case of a narrow Remain win?

[Lee]

The Tories kill Dave.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They are overreacting to a MORI poll, most people haven't voted yet.

A narrow Remain win is almost as interesting as a Leave result, because Dave will have to try and stick the country and his party back together, and will probably fail.

[Dquincy]

A narrow Remain win is almost as interesting as a Leave result, because Dave will have to try and stick the country and his party back together, and will probably fail.

Isn't that what they said about the scottish referendum and that turned out relatively ok after a close margin win.