The EU Referendum thread - sponsored by Harold's YouTube videos

[Magic]

There's a thought. If you're educated/white/privlelidged etc you get 'voting points'.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The sales manager at work (at a guess, I'd say she earns treble my salary, I could be wildly out, it could be more) is currently ranting about how stupid everyone is and how they don't know what's good for them.

This is the divide - people who are doing well under the status quo ante bellum simply don't understand that it isn't like that for everyone.

[Magic]

I must have missed this but the Mail are reporting that Donald Tusk basically told Sturgeon to shut the fuck up about independence? :D

[phonics]

So Boris has had a nice sleep and he's back with this:

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[Lee]

He has only said that it's not appropriate for them to meet yet, I think.

The SNP are apparently going to ask to be considered the official opposition for PMQs today as their Westminster leader can command more support than Corbyn. :D

[Magic]

He has only said that it's not appropriate for them to meet yet, I think.

The SNP are apparently going to ask to be considered the official opposition for PMQs today as their Westminster leader can command more support than Corbyn. :D

Incredible.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If Corbyn makes it as far as PMQs, it'll be the best ever.

[Lee]

So Boris has had a nice sleep and he's back with this:

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All "immigration on our terms" means is that he'll accept freedom of movement in return for single market access, but that it will have been our decision to do so.

[Boydy]

The sales manager at work (at a guess, I'd say she earns treble my salary, I could be wildly out, it could be more) is currently ranting about how stupid everyone is and how they don't know what's good for them.

This is the divide - people who are doing well under the status quo ante bellum simply don't understand that it isn't like that for everyone.

Yeah this what my facebook feed is full of.

[Jimmy Floyd]

On a similar note, the best writer on this referendum before and after the vote - and somebody I'd previously thought was a total goon - has been the Guardian's John Harris. He's the only one who gets it.

[Magic]

Yeah this what my facebook feed is full of.

I bet you are completely torn because of lol intellect and lol but money.

[Boydy]

On a similar note, the best writer on this referendum before and after the vote - and somebody I'd previously thought was a total goon - has been the Guardian's John Harris. He's the only one who gets it.
He's great.

Him and Aditya Chakrabortty are about the only two Guardian writers worth reading.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Stephen Crabb currently launching his leadership bid. I would vote for him were I a Conservative member. Has the best credentials to unite the country. People are crying foul about his anti-gay voting record but what's he going to do, repeal gay marriage?

[Jimmy Floyd]

And the latest Labour resignation is their shadow education Pat Glass, who was appointed on Monday.

[Magic]

Glass has taken a prominent role in Labour’s campaign to remain in the EU in the June 2016 referendum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendu m,_2016) campaign. On 19 May 2016, she apologised after calling an elector "a horrible racist", which was caught at the end of a radio interview recording and reported by the media. She also added "I'm never coming back to wherever this is".[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Glass#cite_note-ph-20160519-7)[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Glass#cite_note-bbc-20160519-8)

Was that her? I remember that. :drool:

[Lewis]

I can do without Stephen Crabb reminding us about his background at every opportunity like some One Nation Andy Burnham.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I can do without Stephen Crabb reminding us about his background at every opportunity like some One Nation Andy Burnham.

Don't tell me you're going astronaut.

[Davgooner]

Corbyn should announce he's running for Tory leader.

[Lewis]

Don't tell me you're going astronaut.

I don't really have a preference between the two main ones, since it will be pretty irrelevant for a few years. I just don't want to listen to him for a decade.

[ItalAussie]

The sales manager at work (at a guess, I'd say she earns treble my salary, I could be wildly out, it could be more) is currently ranting about how stupid everyone is and how they don't know what's good for them.

This is the divide - people who are doing well under the status quo ante bellum simply don't understand that it isn't like that for everyone.

Let's not pretend that the reason they're not doing well was the EU though. Things aren't going to get better for them now.

I think there's a lot of anger at the political classes, and Europe was an effective place for politicians to redirect that anger towards. It's easiest to be angry at the faceless other. Still, fair democracy was done. Even if it ended up with you chopping off your hand to cure a headache - now you have no hand, and you still have a headache - it was entirely your choice.

EDIT: And I do believe that there was an element of xenophobia in play. Like, there are certainly plenty of people who voted leave for entirely non-xenophobic reasons. But without the xenophobe vote, remain definitely wins.

[Lewis]

It's funny to see some of the remain wankers (politicians and journalists) acting as if this was the first campaign ever fought on bullshit. 'We'll hold you to it!' Yeah, alright, mate. Have you found those weapons of mass destruction yet? No?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Let's not pretend that the reason they're not doing well was the EU though. Things aren't going to get better for them now.

I think there's a lot of anger at the political classes, and Europe was an effective place for politicians to redirect that anger towards. It's easiest to be angry at the faceless other. Still, fair democracy was done. Even if it ended up with you chopping off your hand to cure a headache - now you have no hand, and you still have a headache - it was entirely your choice.

EDIT: And I do believe that there was an element of xenophobia in play. Like, there are certainly plenty of people who voted leave for entirely non-xenophobic reasons. But without the xenophobe vote, remain definitely wins.

This is what the crayfish & rocket classes tell themselves in order not to accept any responsibility for the situation. Xenophobia doesn't exist in a vacuum. Nor does misdirected anger at faceless elites. It's a two-way street. Always.

[Lewis]

In fact, this whole 'post-truth politics' narrative is just the wanker class seething about losing their influence, isn't it? Lies and distortions are fine, but only in defence of the consensus.

[ItalAussie]

This is what the crayfish & rocket classes tell themselves in order not to accept any responsibility for the situation. Xenophobia doesn't exist in a vacuum. Nor does misdirected anger at faceless elites. It's a two-way street. Always.

Oh yeah. The political classes are terrible, for certain. Australia's aren't great, but British politicians are a special kind of awful.

Glad I'm well out of it.

[Magic]

'For heaven's sake man, go!' - Cameron to Corbyn.

Hope he stays for as long as he can. :drool:

[phonics]

Didn't Liam Fox have to resign in disgrace?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Yes. He's not running for this either.

A YouGov poll has support for a second referendum at 31%, with 58% opposing.

:harold:

[phonics]

Yes. He's not running for this either.

A YouGov poll has support for a second referendum at 31%, with 58% opposing.

:harold:

Errr...

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[Jimmy Floyd]

Do you want a tenner on that?

[Lewis]

Yes. He's not running for this either.

A YouGov poll has support for a second referendum at 31%, with 58% opposing.

:harold:

Seeing as both of the main parties bottom out at that, there is probably a case for 'about thirty per cent' being the absolute base for anything to be considered a mainstream political concern. You could name the rule after Michael Foot.

[GS]

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Just shut the party down.

[GS]

I must have missed this but the Mail are reporting that Donald Tusk basically told Sturgeon to shut the fuck up about independence? :D

The Spanish and French have come out and said they're not having it either. The Spanish especially will make things fucking difficult, because any greasing of the wheels for Catalonia isn't on. Sturgeon's problem is that she sees herself as the leader of a nation, not a region within a sovereign state.


Let's not pretend that the reason they're not doing well was the EU though. Things aren't going to get better for them now.

I think there's a lot of anger at the political classes, and Europe was an effective place for politicians to redirect that anger towards. It's easiest to be angry at the faceless other. Still, fair democracy was done. Even if it ended up with you chopping off your hand to cure a headache - now you have no hand, and you still have a headache - it was entirely your choice.

EDIT: And I do believe that there was an element of xenophobia in play. Like, there are certainly plenty of people who voted leave for entirely non-xenophobic reasons. But without the xenophobe vote, remain definitely wins.

How would you feel about writing a column for the Guardian? This sort of holier-than-thou schtick has been their bread and butter for the last two or three weeks.

[phonics]

GS calling someone else's posting style holier than thou :D

Fuck off, mate.

[GS]

Got over the recession yet, phonics, mate?

[GS]

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They're finished, lads.

[Kikó]

They've finished again? Great.

I look forward to hearing it again in 4 pages.

[GS]

It's just a case of waiting for the MPs in the party to get a collective spine.

[phonics]

Got over the recession yet, phonics, mate?

Not really as I'm earning 1/2 of minimum wage due to massive budget cuts across my entire industry. I should be earning around par In a couple of years, a decade after the initial crash, which'll be nice.

If you could state why your opinion is the only correct one in seven paragraphs or more that'd help me through it.

You're at somehow about Liverpool levels of your posting peak at this point.

[Jimmy Floyd]

All my mates in financial services are in floods of tears about this. Chaps, you were on 35k straight out of uni. Cry me a fucking river.

The good news is electronics are massively tanking just in and of themselves, so I'll be out of a job regardless of external factors.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Seeing as both of the main parties bottom out at that, there is probably a case for 'about thirty per cent' being the absolute base for anything to be considered a mainstream political concern. You could name the rule after Michael Foot.

In a binary choice, we'll call it 32%: 'AV's Law'.

[GS]

All my mates in financial services are in floods of tears about this. Chaps, you were on 35k straight out of uni. Cry me a fucking river.

The good news is electronics are massively tanking just in and of themselves, so I'll be out of a job regardless of external factors.

My mates, in financial services and deals, reported that there were some very, very angry / upset people in their offices on Friday.

There were apparently several views expressed where the end game would effectively be to disenfranchise the poorer classes because "they just don't understand". They also parroted Ital's view that "it's racism - that's all it is".

[GS]

Excellent.

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[Shindig]

Did MartinSAFC write that tweet in her absence?

[Lewis]

Given that Angela Eagle is atrocious, is the idea that she is more likely to win than somebody less terrible, after which they can 'depose' her and stitch it up to get one of the dreaded BLAIRITEs in? There is no way that she would win an election, so they can't actually be banking on her.

[Lee]

Labour might be finished. Even before the referendum my old man, who has only ever voted Labour and spent much of the 1980s involved in union work, told me that he could never vote for the current lot and would happily support Cameron's Tories over them.

Even if they get a decent leader (not fucking Eagle) it's going to take years to get rid of this Momentum scum. Maybe Eagle is Kinnock, I dunno. Some twat on the live BBC feed is already calling her "our Merkel".

[Boydy]

Chilcot is due to be published a week today.

Let's be having you, Blairites.

'Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer...'

[Jimmy Floyd]

Time for a musical interlude.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi5j7jjhm4M

[Lewis]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/lewis-betts/

:huhu:

[Lee]

Good lad. :D

EDIT: "seething Europhiles" is wonderful stuff. I enjoyed that.

[John]

Fucking hell. :D

How did you talk them round?

[Boydy]

A nation once again, you say?

[Lewis]

This (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/29/new-zealand-offers-uk-its-top-trade-negotiators-for-post-brexit/) brings a tear to the eye. Proper friends, and top, top allies.

[Lewis]

Fucking hell. :D

How did you talk them round?

It asks you for information when you create the profile, and it was rejected at that stage, so I put a 'serious' one and then changed it once the profile was passed.


A nation once again, you say?

If only that was deliberate.

[Luke Emia]

This (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/29/new-zealand-offers-uk-its-top-trade-negotiators-for-post-brexit/) brings a tear to the eye. Proper friends, and top, top allies.

This brings up an excellent point which I hadn't really thought of... I know it takes years to sort this kind of stuff but surely the best move would be to reach out to Canada, Austrailia, New Zealand, India, Russia(just for the Banter)and the like and get that side of things sorted before fucking about invoking article 50. Surely that's the way to fuck Juncker and his mob off. Get other stuff in place first and it would surely put us in a stronger position with the EU. Unless the rest of the world won't play ball.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I saw somebody from one of the three suggest that Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the UK should start their own freedom of movement area. I'd be up for that. Maybe add South Africa for shits and giggles.

[phonics]

Just as an FYI if you click any of the social media buttons at the top, and post it unedited, you'll pump this higher up the sites algorithms. If Lewis gets over 300 (or 500 I can't remember) k views (he'd have to hit the top 10 most shared section of the website he's on to get that far) then HuffPo will have to pay him

[phonics]

I saw somebody from one of the three suggest that Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the UK should start their own freedom of movement area. I'd be up for that. Maybe add South Africa for shits and giggles.

Already exists, it's called the Commonwealth, we can live in any of those countries with no job for 6 months. Except Canada where you have to pass a very minor points system like a broken RPG that gives you +50 to strength at Level 1.

[Byron]

quite excellent Gisela Stuart

Brilliant :D

[phonics]

Piss poor thumbnail mate

http://imgur.com/KMgN68Q.png

[John]

Lol at that comment qualifying the link.

[Luke Emia]

Already exists, it's called the Commonwealth, we can live in any of those countries with no job for 6 months. Except Canada where you have to pass a very minor points system like a broken RPG that gives you +50 to strength at Level 1.

Yeah but proper freedom of movement I'm assuming. Mostly based on the fact that none of us are brown or Eastern European what could go wrong.

[phonics]

Lol at that comment qualifying the link.

I live in Switzerland. I'm not owning Lewis' opinions to get him some cash.

[Shindig]

This is the most long-winded crowdfunding scheme I've ever seen.

[GS]

I'd quite happily have a free movement area for Canada, Australia and New Zealand. We're culturally linked to the old dominions in a way we never will be with Europe. I'd let Ireland in too, but only if they bin off the leprechaun and acknowledge Her Majesty as Head of State.

[Boydy]

Australians. :sick:


Sorry Ital, you're alright but pretty much all of them I've ever met in person have been gobshites.

[Magic]

We really are a bunch of inward cunts, aren't we? I too also smile whenever I hear or read 'quite excellent'. :(

[Lewis]

Daniel Hannan has been pushing the Anglosphere (complete with free movement) for years. It would be great, but I reckon it would need some pretty tight benefit restrictions to be sustainable and not have the Australians moaning about all our twats going over there for dole and sunshine.

Some sort of Commonwealth free trade agreement would be glorious, but lol at having free movement within that.

[Magic]

Lol at that comment qualifying the link.

:D

"Please don't think I would ever consider sharing a reasonable and considered argument that we're not completely fucked because of BREXIT. Still love the ghetto lesbian trainers guys amirite!"

[GS]

Australians. :sick:

Sorry Ital, you're alright but pretty much all of them I've ever met in person have been gobshites.

They play the same quite excellent British sports like rugby union and cricket. Go to Europe - "do you play handball, mate?".

We definitely need to reengage with the Commonwealth properly. Getting proper arrangements in place with the old dominions, other Commonwealth countries and growing markets would do well. We still need to strike some sort of sound deal with Europe, but my preference is very much for some sort Canada Plus option. We clearly cannot accept any deal which includes free movement across Europe, as this principle has been rejected by the electorate.

[GS]

Daniel Hannan has been pushing the Anglosphere (complete with free movement) for years. It would be great, but I reckon it would need some pretty tight benefit restrictions to be sustainable and not have the Australians moaning about all our twats going over their for dole and sunshine.

That would work. The Australians have plenty of space, so they probably wouldn't care.

[Magic]

I did post a nice comment but it revealed almost everything about my Facebook profile so had to delete it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Have you not met Australians?

'Aww, look, mate, this isn't fair dinkum.'

[Magic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuwprXAaSv0

[GS]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmH1W89WIAASIYa.jpg

More 65+ voted for remain (in absolute terms) than 18-24 years. :harold:

[Boydy]

They play the same quite excellent British sports like rugby union and cricket. Go to Europe - "do you play handball, mate?".

You like cricket?

[phonics]

:D

"Please don't think I would ever consider sharing a reasonable and considered argument that we're not completely fucked because of BREXIT. Still love the ghetto lesbian trainers guys amirite!"

I don't do anything politcal on Facebook. I hate it. In fact my last post is

http://imgur.com/bfTEdEj.png

[niko_cee]

Have you not met Australians?

'Aww, look, mate, this isn't fair dinkum.'

As long as you don't turn up on a boat they are usually much more accommodating.

[Magic]

I don't do anything politcal on Facebook. I hate it. In fact my last post is

http://imgur.com/bfTEdEj.png

Cool. I might add you as a friend and follow you.

http://i.imgur.com/9v68YaU.gif?noredirect

[Pepe]

:D

[GS]

You like cricket?

I'm not a superfan, but I take an interest.

The Anglosphere would be great.

Honestly, the idea we're culturally aligned with the Europeans in any way is just daft.

[Magic]

I'm not a superfan, but I take an interest.

The Anglosphere would be great.

Honestly, the idea we're culturally aligned with the Europeans in any way is just daft.

Lol @ the evident Ulster desperation to be English.

[phonics]

Cool. I might add you as a friend and follow you.

http://i.imgur.com/9v68YaU.gif?noredirect

I'm fine, thanks. Facebooks just for people I've met multiple times.

[GS]

Lol @ the evident Ulster desperation to be English.

British.*

I'd be all for a united Ireland, providing it was under British rule.

[Lewis]

Doesn't the leave/remain map (unsurprisingly) line up almost perfectly with the religious divide there?

[Magic]

I'm fine, thanks. Facebooks just for people I've met multiple times.

Understood, you probably get enough likes alrea...

https://s31.postimg.org/knaweyyrv/bf_TEd_Ej.png

http://i.imgur.com/BH4ne.gif

[GS]

Doesn't the leave/remain map (unsurprisingly) line up almost perfectly with the religious divide there?

Unionists voted in the main for leave, but the nationalists voted overwhelming for remain. Where they turned out that is - there was shocking turnout in Belfast West, but you'd expect that given they didn't have a former prisoner to vote for.

The border areas, which are overwhelmingly nationalist e.g. Tyrone, Fermanagh and bandit country, voted for remain too - which is fair enough, really, as some of these lads border hop when they're smuggling petrol or avoiding the RUC.

[phonics]

Understood, you probably get enough likes alrea...

https://s31.postimg.org/knaweyyrv/bf_TEd_Ej.png

http://i.imgur.com/BH4ne.gif

Didn't realise you were so lonely you had reached the point of liking your own statuses. Y'okay babe?

[Magic]

http://33.media.tumblr.com/bff532d18228142d6f68e7f09f711d51/tumblr_nf5wb0V5ul1rd8w8ao1_400.gif

Aw man I thought it told you how many people liked it there. Oh well.

[John]

Magic gave himself a ':D' the other day, so he probably does like his own statuses.

[GS]

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Providing Gove is at the FCO to handle the negotiations, I'm fairly relaxed about which of Johnson or May gets it. They'd both be "for fuck sake", but there you are.

[Shindig]

Stephen Crabb's only claim to fame is that he's the first Tory minister to have a beard.

[Dquincy]

Not really as I'm earning 1/2 of minimum wage due to massive budget cuts across my entire industry. I should be earning around par In a couple of years, a decade after the initial crash, which'll be nice.

If you could state why your opinion is the only correct one in seven paragraphs or more that'd help me through it.

You're at somehow about Liverpool levels of your posting peak at this point.

Totally agree. The GS fella is a bit of a bellend. Loves the sound of his own voice...he who shouts loudest.

Never known someone to get such a hard-on for politics gong tits up.

[phonics]

Stephen Crabb's only claim to fame is that he's the first Tory minister to have a beard.

He looks like a pre-In The Name of the Father IRA member.

[phonics]

Totally agree. The GS fella is a bit of a bellend. Loves the sound of his own voice...he who shouts loudest.

Never known someone to get such a hard-on for politics gong tits up.

Just to predict, GS will call out this post and mock it to try prove that he's the enlightened one that sees everything before it's happening without realising that he's literally running on Harolds platform these days.

[ItalAussie]

How would you feel about writing a column for the Guardian? This sort of holier-than-thou schtick has been their bread and butter for the last two or three weeks.
Tone-policing is never a path that you of all people want to be going down. :D




There were apparently several views expressed where the end game would effectively be to disenfranchise the poorer classes because "they just don't understand". They also parroted Ital's view that "it's racism - that's all it is".That's practically the opposite of what I said. I said there are plenty of non-xenophobic people who voted leave for non-xenophobe reasons.

[ItalAussie]

I'd quite happily have a free movement area for Canada, Australia and New Zealand. We're culturally linked to the old dominions in a way we never will be with Europe. I'd let Ireland in too, but only if they bin off the leprechaun and acknowledge Her Majesty as Head of State.
Crying for empire.

Australia and New Zealand have both spent the last three decades building closer ties with Asian nations. They're not going to throw that away for one of their minor trading partners. The UK is just not that relevant to life on this side of the world anymore, and hasn't got that much to offer us. What ties we have are purely historical and ceremonial, but of very little practical import.

The biggest thing we get from those archaic links is the Commonwealth Games, and we'll drop that within the next couple of decades.

[elth]

Yeah, freedom of movement to Australia is a non stater. Most Australians don't even like the Kiwis being here for free, and at least they're polite. We'll happily take your Barmy Army money every four years and toast a generation of backpackers in the fruitpicking sun, don't get me wrong, but that's about it. You already get a free ride in the points system because you speak English anyway.

To me Brexit is mostly a way of people stating that the status quo isn't working. As much fun as it is to snicker at your chaos, that's probably no less true in the US and, to a lesser extent, Australia as well. I don't think just tinkering at the edges of capitalist neoliberalism is going to fix anything either, but I have no idea what comes next.

[ItalAussie]

Just for the record, I love the Kiwis being here for free. I'd be very sad about a New Zexit.

[John]

Kexit, surely.

[Lewis]

We are your seventh largest trading partner (just behind New Zealand). Having a free trade agreement doesn't mean bringing back the Manila Pact.

[ItalAussie]

Kexit, surely.

Kixit, cuz.

[ItalAussie]

We are your seventh largest trading partner (just behind New Zealand). Having a free trade agreement doesn't mean bringing back the Manila Pact.
You accounted for ~3% of our current trade. Before last week, anyway. Given that the pound is barely worth sticker price anymore...

You're one of two of our top ten trade partners whose share is shrinking rather than growing (the other is Thailand by about a half percent). China, Japan (our two top trading partners) and Indonesia (our nearest neighbour) all have market shares that are likely to grow significantly in the next decade, and Australia's primary export is mineral resources - something the UK has little use for, and no reason to ship from halfway across the world. I don't see us being eager to uproot our system for that, although I doubt we'd turn down generous terms if you decided to offer them for some reason.

There is something appealing about having a bunch of Australians freely wandering around the UK reminding Empire Nostalgics that you're not the boss of us anymore. So that's some incentive, I guess.

[elth]

A trade agreement is possible, but it wouldn't be linked to any form of genuinely free movement, although of course fiddling with immigration requirements isn't unusual in such deals.

[igor_balis]

GS you're Percy Weasley mate wind your neck in

[niko_cee]

Look at all the picky Aussies carping on about some fanciful non-thing. Fear not, we aren't going to flood Christmas Island or the Pacific Solution with all our unwanted EU wastrels.

Maybe we should reclassify non-Britsih EU citizens a fauna?

I know, I know, it's a myth, you did right by the 'dark fellas' cobbers.

We should definitely do a deal on wine. Fuck the French right in the ear. Make them sell their watery piss to their single market buddies. No skin off my nose anyway seeing as I've barely touched it since the Mururoa atoll nuclear tests.

[Magic]

We don't sell goods we sell engineering expertise, financial stuff and intellectual stuff. Why would we want to partner up with a country who's biggest export is kangaroo burgers? Fuck right off you wallaby touchers.

[Jimmy Floyd]

We should definitely do a deal on wine. Fuck the French right in the ear. Make them sell their watery piss to their single market buddies. No skin off my nose anyway seeing as I've barely touched it since the Mururoa atoll nuclear tests.

My plan for if Brexit triggers the apocalypse and I need a vocation is to start baking croissants, call them 'bread crescents' and sell them cheap as chips to the poor of Hampstead and Islington.

Would collapse the French economy in a heartbeat. If that worked well I'd have a go at tarte tatin, too.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Gove running for leader.

Oops Boris.

[Lee]

Hasn't Gove always insisted he isn't capable of it? And why is he having a dig at Johnson? Does he not trust him to follow through on Brexit?

[niko_cee]

Yeah, I thought Gove had gone to great pains to emphasise how much he didn't want the leadership and how shit he'd be at it. Presumably it's the lack of trust as to following through, or perhaps a bit of good old opportunism right back in Boris' face.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I would infer from the Gove statement that Boris is backtracking on leaving (shock).

[Magic]

He's such a dislikeable cunt.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'm a big Gove fan. Most intelligent and decent man in top level politics, but whether he's a leader I'm not sure. We're about to find out, I suppose.

[Magic]

Didn't he have a shambles with the whole academy thing?

[phonics]

Didn't he have a shambles with the whole academy thing?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmIcQXPWIAAcN-C.jpg:large

[Jimmy Floyd]

He's certainly shat on Boris's chips. Maybe he's just realised Boris is a shambles and is suicide vesting him.

[phonics]

Is "Brexit Means Brexit" the worst campaign slogan of all time?

[phonics]

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and now they're saying they're not going to bother with the whole balance the budget by 2020 thing.

Well done lads. Well done. Eight years worth of shite for nowt.

P.S. This is wonderful

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[Lee]

Doesn't Boris already have the support of over 100 MPs? Given how many candidates there are you'd think that would do it. If he gets on the membership run off ballot he's won.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Doesn't Boris already have the support of over 100 MPs? Given how many candidates there are you'd think that would do it. If he gets on the membership run off ballot he's won.

They're now deserting him for Gove faster than you can say 'Um, er, um, er... cripes'.

[Magic]

May has just launched her campaign.

[phonics]

The idea of Theresa May uniting the country is hilarious. I can't think of a more divisive Home Sec. in my political lifetime.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Police view her as teachers view Gove, if not worse. And you can moan about police but ultimately 99% of them are just doing their job like everyone else does, so it's an important sector.

[Magic]

The idea of Theresa May uniting the country is hilarious. I can't think of a more divisive Home Sec. in my political lifetime.

Only for a few tinhat merchants, mate. Most people aren't really bothered about the snooper's charter.

[phonics]

Only for a few tinhat merchants, mate. Most people aren't really bothered about the snooper's charter.

As Jim mentioned above, it's not just mini Snowdens like myself. She's cocked up the immigration services, the police, she's in deep with G4S (never a good sign) etc. etc. etc.

[Magic]

Maybe it's because the SNP have fucked up so much with our Police we don't notice.

[phonics]

I just went on her Wikipedia, lot's of editing history on it the past couple of days :sherlock:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Somebody pointed out how Angela Eagle had been sprucing up her Facebook during yesterday, although there's only so much sprucing you can do when you have that to work with.

[Magic]

At least May isn't one of the Eton boys.

[Jimmy Floyd]

My MP in this morning's Sun:


With the challenges we face ahead, I am backing Boris Johnson to be our next leader because he has the vision, the optimism and the raw fire to take Britain forward.

He's just defected to Gove and trashed Boris on Sky News. Well done, mate.

[phonics]

It's almost like they don't believe anything they say ever.

[Byron]

Morgan isn't running for Leader, presumably because she has no chance of making the ballot.

Reportedly the reason Gove is running is that Boris wouldn't give him a cabinet role and Boris never expected Gove to run given his previous thoughts on him being PM.

Lol at Boris, his empire is crashing down before it's even begun.

[Lewis]

Surveillance bollocks (which they are all into) aside, Theresa May has been good. If you think she has ballsed up immigration then you don't remember the complete lack of control Labour had over it, and she has overseen significant budget cuts without the sky falling in.

Michael Gove. :cool:

[Lewis]

You accounted for ~3% of our current trade. Before last week, anyway. Given that the pound is barely worth sticker price anymore...

You're one of two of our top ten trade partners whose share is shrinking rather than growing (the other is Thailand by about a half percent). China, Japan (our two top trading partners) and Indonesia (our nearest neighbour) all have market shares that are likely to grow significantly in the next decade, and Australia's primary export is mineral resources - something the UK has little use for, and no reason to ship from halfway across the world. I don't see us being eager to uproot our system for that, although I doubt we'd turn down generous terms if you decided to offer them for some reason.

There is something appealing about having a bunch of Australians freely wandering around the UK reminding Empire Nostalgics that you're not the boss of us anymore. So that's some incentive, I guess.

Three per cent is still a lot of money, and a free trade agreement would provide opportunities for that to increase. Why would you have to 'uproot your system'? We're not talking about Imperial Preference. You seem to be the one viewing this as an imperial throwback.

[Byron]

Boris has confirmed he will not run for Conservative Leader.

Lol. His career is finished.

[Magic]

What? Hahahaha. :D

[Jimmy Floyd]

Gove :drool:

What a knifing that was.

[Magic]

So if the Tories elect a new leader under what circumstances would a GE be called?

[Byron]

So Gove vs May it is then.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Leadsom could get involved if she gets enough Boris supporters.

Meanwhile, Corbyn has compared Israel to ISIS - at an anti-Semitism event.

[phonics]

No he didn't. It's an absolutely pathetic attempt to make a scandal.

Here's the video for context (where he was applauded for what he said btw)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-antisemitism-labour-row-report-compares-israel-government-isis-islamic-states-a7110931.html

[phonics]

Remember me posting @parliawint earlier?

Well we've peaked

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmMPDgRXEAAKPWq.jpg:large

[Boydy]

:D

[Jimmy Floyd]

So if the Tories elect a new leader under what circumstances would a GE be called?

No, because Tory MPs are all shit scared for reasons that elude me. it definitely should be though. They need a fresh mandate.

[Magic]

No, because Tory MPs are all shit scared for reasons that elude me. it definitely should be though. They need a fresh mandate.

So the party in power needs to call the GE? It can't be forced?

[Jimmy Floyd]

They would have to either repeal the Fixed Term Parliaments Act, or trigger the condition within it whereby a general election can be called early by a two-thirds majority vote of MPs.

[Lee]

Imagine the size of the Tory majority if they go to the country in October? Labour battered by UKIP in the north, bummed by the Lib Dems in the south. They need to get on it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Apparently MPs just don't want it, so all the leadership candidates are saying no early election.

[Lee]

They would have to either repeal the Fixed Term Parliaments Act, or trigger the condition within it whereby a general election can be called early by a two-thirds majority vote of MPs.

Could they not just trigger a vote of no confidence in their own government? Only needs a simple majority and nobody else has the numbers to form an alternative government in the two weeks allowed.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They could do that, I suppose, but fucking hell.

[Byron]

I'm told 4 shadow cabinet members (Clive Lewis, Cat Smith, Rachel Maskell, Andy McDonald) want Corbyn to go and have been trying to see him.

But Diane Abbott is said to be "blocking the door".

Everytime I think this couldn't get any crazier, it somehow manages to do so.

[Lee]

They could do that, I suppose, but fucking hell.

I'd have to assume they'd frame it differently than saying "we think we're shit".

I think I'm past the point of surprise at anything. We're through the looking glass.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Andy Burnham's continuing refusal to resign is probably the most spineless single act in the history of British politics.

[Spoonsky]

Shame, I was perversely looking forward to Boris as PM.

Why has he dropped out? What was the point of this whole thing, for him, if he wasn't going to end up as the Prime Minister of Britain?

[Byron]

Because if I'm reading correctly;

Boris has appeal, but needs Gove's endorsement to secure the spot because he is toxic to certain elements of the party.
Gove is either refused a cabinet spot by Boris, or his best mate Cameron asks him to torpedo Boris
Gove announces he's running, which take a large portion of support away from Boris
Boris then realises he can't win and chooses to withdraw rather than suffer defeat.

[Yevrah]

I think he's just taken the only sensible course of action that a man who didn't want to leave the EU could.

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

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and now they're saying they're not going to bother with the whole balance the budget by 2020 thing.

Well done lads. Well done. Eight years worth of shite for nowt.

P.S. This is wonderful

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Could you imagine that as the next PM?

[GS]

Gove with a world class political assassination.

I reckon he didn't trust Boris to follow through with it.

[Shindig]

Bollocks to endorsement. Boris was never up for this as soon as the vote came in.

[Spoonsky]

Just read the last two pages, I understand now. That's some Game of Thrones shit isn't it? Nothing like that in American politics.

[GS]

He's done an interview with the BBC, and it seems quite obvious that he doesn't buy into the idea that Boris was "heart and soul" behind leaving. Presumably he thought that if Boris won, he'd find some way of fudging it before calling another referendum.

Whatever you want to say about Gove, he's a true believer at least. You know where you stand.

I still reckon Theresa May will be very, very difficult to beat.

[Gray Fox]

I feel Boris was expected to be the guy who tried for the working class to get the leave vote, with the hope of a narrow loss and being the gracious loser. Setting him up for 2020 as PM.

Since leave actually won he's been put in a massive hole and hasn't come across as a guy that expected or even wanted to win. Gove has either sensed a chance to become PM here and taken Boris out for it, or he's just taken Boris out as Camerons final request.

[GS]

Crying for empire.

I wasn't seriously suggesting an Anglosphere 'freedom of movement' as an actual goer.

I do, however, maintain and always have done that we have no cultural links with Europe beyond a common societal rooting within the Latin Christian church. You can't sell entering political and fiscal union on a European level because there's no underlying cultural identity that is going to make people instinctively happy about it, or sufficiently ambivalent that most won't be uncomfortable about it. When you can't argue European integration on an emotional level, and struggle to articulate why the positives outweigh the negatives on a non-emotional level, you're fucked.

This does not mean we should send what's left of our navy into Sydney Harbour.

[Lewis]

The relevant cultural aspects, other than everybody speaking English and making things easier, are that the colonies have similar legal and political systems that are better for not regulating everything out of existence like the absolutist Europeans.

[GS]

Indeed. Without geographic proximity, nobody would advocate a relationship with the EU beyond a mutually beneficial trade agreement.

The key now is to deliver that without finding some way to bottle it.

[Kikó]

Everytime I think this couldn't get any crazier, it somehow manages to do so.

Someone do a Hordor with Diane as him Photoshop.

[Gray Fox]

Woof.

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[Magic]

To ensure Corbs stays in power?

[Shindig]

Are you sure it's not just a petition signed by Vatican residents?

[Gray Fox]

What you're seeing there is the reason Corbyn thinks he's right to stay. They're going to landslide vote him as leader again.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The MPs will have to split and form the Dinner Party, which will win about 35 seats, while the Labour party wins about 8, and none of them will ever go near power again.

We're all Tories now.

[Gray Fox]

Don't put anything past the people. There is always the nuclear option.

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/multimedia/dynamic/00346/STN2616PIC1_346586k.jpg

[Jimmy Floyd]

Let's imagine a UKIP government. The economic reaction the morning after would make the current stuff seem like dropping a 10p piece. There would be mass protests in all major cities, and probably violence against UKIP types. Farage himself would probably get assassinated, and failing that his government would collapse in about three weeks because he just wouldn't have more than about five competent people at his disposal (and nor would he himself be competent).

What you can't knock with UKIP is that they have, in their own special way, represented those without a voice when all the other parties have been aggressively unwilling to do so.

[phonics]

I'd never heard this story :D Amazing

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmOjaRLWQAEPAEK.jpg:large

[GS]

The MPs will have to split and form the Dinner Party, which will win about 35 seats, while the Labour party wins about 8, and none of them will ever go near power again.

We're all Tories now.

They'd be better splitting, aligning with the Lib Dems and renaming themselves "the Liberal Party" ala 1916. The Labour Party, such as it was, has really achieved everything it realistically needed to.

[phonics]

I genuinely can't work out how to edit that image to make it smaller as the code has disappeared and been replaced with the image.

The boards beaten me, I quit.

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmOnuyNWUAEI4ia.jpg

Matt literally doesn't miss a trick.

[Lewis]

The Liberal Democrats are a big enough disgrace to their history as it is without letting two-hundred authoritarian pinkos into the fold.

[GS]

The problem with a breakaway is that there are too many nutters who are overly invested in the "Labour" label. They'll be damned if Jez We Can is going to bring it down, so too many would never actually go through with it.

He'll give in soon, you'd hope. I read an article the other day which summed it up quite well. He's not a robot, and the psychological pressure of being a national joke whilst single-handedly destroying the party you've given your life to would surely be too much to bear.

They could probably carve out a solid vote in remain areas if they formed a 'progressive alliance'. The Greens might as well cease to exist, so you subsume their votes too. So they'd win well in London, basically. Possibly Brighton.

[Lewis]

The only communist with any self-awareness was Joseph Stalin, so I wouldn't bet on it.

[elth]

Unless Corbyn resigns and doesn't recontest, he's not going anywhere. The socialists think he's their ticket to relevance, and if 80% of the population don't agree, tough. The vast majority of those 60k new members will vote for him.

It's Corbyn and the members against the pollies and the voters, with the party desperately trying to figure out how it can actually survive somewhere in the middle.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Here's a theory I've come up with. Gove was a long term mole for Osborne in the Leave campaign after Boris went Leave. Think about it, it's strategic brilliance.

Gove is seen as a prominent Leave campaigner and appears all chummy with Boris at all the campaign events. The vote happens. If Remain wins, then Gove then comes straight back into the fold as a 'uniting' figure and brings Tory leavers with him. If Leave wins... yeah. Bye bye Boris.

[Lewis]

lol at some of these (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jul/01/rejected-remain-campaign-posters-revealed-by-ad-agencies) rejected remain adverts. I bet each one cost more than the entire leave campaign.

[phonics]

God I'd love a job at Saatchi. I was only there for a few weeks, you just throw ideas at a wall, they collect them all and then filter it themselves. It was brilliant. No back and forth with clients, it's the dream.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I just came back into the office after a little walk outside at lunchtime to find the sales manager (English) ranting about the referendum again. She's now advocating that people who 'didn't know enough' shouldn't have voted.

The Koreans have a hard on for the incoming FTA with Britain. The Koreans know.

[Jimmy Floyd]

'People don't understand that Brussels protects their own jobs!'

Just shut up, will you.

[Jimmy Floyd]

She's actually just said without a trace of irony: 'And also, on a personal level, the cost of European wine - which is my preference, I don't enjoy new world wine - and champagne - it's going to go up.'

[Lee]

Fucking hell what a thick bitch.

[Pepe]

Time to switch to ol' fashioned British wine.

[Magic]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41OamjKKMQL.jpg

[Jimmy Floyd]

Anzac wine is far superior to watery French shite (no homo Ital).

[ItalAussie]

It's one thing we do weirdly well. Although I do think the Kiwis do it slightly better.

[niko_cee]

Time to switch to ol' fashioned British wine.

Britain actually has a very good climate to support a wine industry, it's just that various aspects of government regulation and, perhaps, the inability to stem an overwhelming oversupply from more established wine producing countries *ahem* has stymied the industry.

[Lewis]

lol at some of these (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jul/01/rejected-remain-campaign-posters-revealed-by-ad-agencies) rejected remain adverts. I bet each one cost more than the entire leave campaign.

I never bothered to actually read the links (http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/article/remain-campaign-ads-away/1400625) in this. The ones there are the good ones.

http://offlinehbpl.hbpl.co.uk/news/OMC/richedit/Unapproved9MCSaatchi.jpg
http://offlinehbpl.hbpl.co.uk/news/OMC/richedit/CHI3.jpg

What the fuck are they?

[Shindig]

That last one looks like a reddit meme.

[Disco]

Nice to see Roy Walker still getting some work though.

[Magic]

They are the most American old blokes I've ever seen.

[Shindig]

Its amazing, really. Attacking the demographic most likely to vote rather than trying to win them round.

[GS]

Both campaigns were appalling in terms of content and tone, but at least the leave side were actually a campaign. Remain were hopeless across the board.

[igor_balis]

Both campaigns were appalling in terms of content and tone, but at least the leave side were actually a campaign. Remain were hopeless across the board.

You're right of course. Though I can understand the difficulty of presenting a unified, passionate defence of remain. I was gutted we voted leave, but I was very much of a 'least bad option' perspective. Same reason I'd have found it hard to campaign for people to vote Labour in recent elections, despite desperately hoping they'd win, when I was very a much a hold-your-nose-and-vote-Labour kinda guy.

[John]

At least they weren't hobbled by the question, so whatever howling arse was made of the campaigning it was their own fault. In the independence referendum the phrasing of the question skewed things from day one. Big Ruth still saw the twats off though. :cool:

[Shindig]

Remain's easy.

1. Want to go on holiday without queuing for something else?
2. Want to drive a British car? Of course not. They all failed.
3. Sentimental about the mining industry? Why? That nearly killed you.
4. Look how much money we make. As a country. Don't get personal. Britain makes bank out of this.
5. We can remain pissy whilst reaping said benefits.
6. Students can fuck off to France whenever they fancy. Or go over to Spain and fall off balconies.

Remain: Because Leaving sounds like a lot of work.

[igor_balis]

I'm just a lazy, nihilistic twat who wants to at least have the option to dick around in the continent indefinitely without having to worry about visas and shit you bastards. Fuck the economy man I wanna be a bohemian. Thankfully I can claim Polish citizenship. Jus Sanguinis :cool:

[elth]

Britain actually has a very good climate to support a wine industry, it's just that various aspects of government regulation and, perhaps, the inability to stem an overwhelming oversupply from more established wine producing countries *ahem* has stymied the industry.

It's not oversupply, it's just established nations are vastly more efficient.

You could start a cold climate, boutique hipster industry like Tasmania or New Zealand if you wanted.

[ItalAussie]

Remain's easy.

1. Want to go on holiday without queuing for something else?
2. Want to drive a British car? Of course not. They all failed.
3. Sentimental about the mining industry? Why? That nearly killed you.
4. Look how much money we make. As a country. Don't get personal. Britain makes bank out of this.
5. We can remain pissy whilst reaping said benefits.
6. Students can fuck off to France whenever they fancy. Or go over to Spain and fall off balconies.

Remain: Because Leaving sounds like a lot of work.

That would have basically been the perfect 30-second campaign ad. Five seconds on each item. Remain wins the vote by five points.

[Shindig]

The only thing you'd have to worry about is the 'fuck you' factor which might've actually been Leave's strongest asset. People who see a leave vote as a message to send to the establishing elite. Which is dumb because they're then going on about taking their country back into the hands of the elite Westminster gimps that are already, and forever will be, in power.

As for people coming into the country, we're 300,000 a year up courtesy of the birthrate. Counter immigration with that. Britain's always going to get more densely populated. Everywhere will. Our species is unstoppable. Heck, throw in us living longer as a sign of the NHS being fantastic.

[niko_cee]

Ironically Shinner's first point is massively wrong, so I suppose it would have fitted the campaign narrative quite well. Actually, working down the list, they all fit that for the most part.

Nice little tag line at the end though.

[GS]

There will surely have been an element of "it's the only chance we're going to get" as well. Maastricht and Lisbon both got rammed through without any referenda in this country, and I suspect there's quite a number of people who knew that it really was a "once in a generation" vote. Euroscepticism in this country has largely been a problem of the political class' - both here and in Europe's - own making. They hold the voter in contempt if it impedes the 'project'. People recognise that, and it fuels resentment.

In related fall-out:

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And it's not just the terrifying level of opposition, either. The state of this:

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He's in the cabinet, for fuck sake. :face:

[Lewis]

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Can their reputation recover from thousands of unexpected supporters turning up and ruining everything?

[Byron]

:D Fucking hell.

[igor_balis]

justice for the 48

[GS]

There's a march against the referendum result in London at the minute, apparently.

Organised on social media, inevitably.

[John]

Marching against the result of a referendum, fucking hell. What's the aim? That the government abandon democracy and listen to them instead? Mustard gas the cunts and be done with it.

[Byron]

Again, I'd love to be there with a megaphone shouting 'how many of you fuckers didn't vote?'

[GS]

There's still a fairly heavy move amongst certain groups to try and delegitimise the result. 52-48 sounds close, but it's a gap of 1.3m votes.

[Byron]

Also lol at one dickhead saying the Leave campaign was based on lies.

I think we can accept that both campaigns were as shady and dishonest as one another.

[GS]

Again, I'd love to be there with a megaphone shouting 'how many of you fuckers didn't vote?'

In absolute terms, more 65+ voted to remain than 18-24 year olds.

Tim Farron, inevitably, was speaking with said megaphone to the crowd to try and whip them up. I imagine he's still in the anger stage of it all.

[Lewis]

Between David Lammy raging that he 'will not be forced out of this country for being black', and all the twats who seem to think that they will never see the continent again, it all serves to confirm that it is an identity thing for these people. The George Orwell quote was obviously spot on, but this (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/man-voting-to-stay-in-eu-because-he-thinks-hes-sophisticated-20160422108212) covers it as well. Wankers.

[John]

Also lol at one dickhead saying the Leave campaign was based on lies.

I think we can accept that both campaigns were as shady and dishonest as one another.

That plays into what GS was saying before, about one group thinking the only reason anyone voted the other way is that they were tricked into it.

[phonics]

What's wrong against a peaceful march against a vote that they don't agree with exactly?

It's a perfectly democratic way of showing disagreement with a policy.

[Disco]

But we know they disagree, we counted the exact number of them.

[GS]

That plays into what GS was saying before, about one group thinking the only reason anyone voted the other way is that they were tricked into it.

YouGov - who were the best polling company over the course of the campaign, gave Leave a nine point lead at the beginning of February. If anything, the campaigns - particularly the government's weaponising of the civil service before purdah - brought the two sides much closer together.

There would be a good argument to say that the Remain campaign was actually quite effective too - but that would necessitate recognising that there may well have been plenty of people who ended up voting to remain because they were scared into it by the fear of impending economic disaster and the prospect of a new world war.

[GS]

What's wrong against a peaceful march against a vote that they don't agree with exactly?

It's a perfectly democratic way of showing disagreement with a policy.

It was a policy over which the electorate had a direct say and have provided a clear instruction for government. I have little problem with a peaceful march against government policies that weren't in manifestos (e.g. Iraq), but this is all just a little bit pathetic. I wouldn't ban it, of course, because they've every right to do it. However, you'd think they'd be able to direct their efforts towards something that is less obviously a complete waste of time.

[Shindig]

I just have huge problems with marches in general in this country. None of them have worked. Just some day-tripper show of force bullshit.

[Yevrah]

Marching against the result of a referendum, fucking hell. What's the aim? That the government abandon democracy and listen to them instead? Mustard gas the cunts and be done with it.

Democracy is only democracy it seems when it leads to the 'right' result.

[Lewis]

THEY VOTED FOR LIES. Weren't we meant to be at war by now?

[Gray Fox]

Yeah but the world will end if we vote leave. It'll be the worst thing to happen in our history. Oh wait...

[GS]

Both campaigns were appalling in content and tone, as mentioned. But it's very difficult to maintain the narrative that leave only won because people were 'conned' or because they banked the xenophobe vote. How many people ultimately ending up voting for remain because they'd been scared into it by the prospect of impending economic disaster as repeatedly forecast by the government, the BOE, the IMF, the OECD etc., because they feared a punishment budget or the ending of the triple lock on pensions? What about people here who had John Major and Tony Blair turn up in Derry and say, in grave tones, that it would threaten peace in Northern Ireland? These are claims which are now being rowed back at a tremendous speed.

Both sides were shit, but there was a high turnout and Leave won by 1.3m votes. There should be no attempt by anybody to delegitimise the result itself. Rather than having the media and various political personalities touring the TV studios in a state of seethe, discussion should have moved on. Instead you have the Guardian continuing to publish total shit about 'deception' and Tim Farron, the leader of a once-significant political party no less, turning up at a protest march armed with a megaphone to stir people up.

They all need to get a grip.

[Shindig]

Maybe they are getting a grip. On opportunity.

There's 15m votes in the remain camp which the Lib Dems would love to capitalise on. Politics is a free-for-all at the minute.

[Lewis]

I don't think anybody is pro-Europe enough to want Tim Farron leading the country.

[Davgooner]

Farron/Corbyn-led coalition mate.

iPads for everyone.

[Shindig]

Just heard back from someone who went to the demo today. "Really positive atmosphere. I bet if the vote was the other way round, this would've been chaos."

What kind of smugness is that shit? We all went there, had a good time and got home before 8pm. Nothing was resolved.

[niko_cee]

If the vote was the other way round there wouldn't have been demonstrations.

[Shindig]

I suspect there might've been one token wobbler by the EDL. If the weather was nice.

[GS]

Farage would have agitated for a second referendum - 52-48 sounds close, but it's actually 1.3m votes so I suspect most would just have got on with it. You'd have a small nutter group who would never let it go, but you wouldn't have have had the level of seething you're seeing now.

There would definitely have been some fallout, but the coverage would very much have portrayed any demonstrators (inevitably in much smaller numbers) as racists and anti-democrats compared to the quite favourable coverage they're getting at the minute.

[GS]

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Look at this. For fuck sake, like.

[Gray Fox]

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Look at this. For fuck sake, like.

The fucking replies below. There aren't enough facepalms about.

[Lewis]

If you want to know what the SDP is about, look at its morning star, Roy Jenkins, the greatest Euro-bureaucrat of them all, a man who would never put up with anything British if he could find something foreign to embrace instead. The SDP is the extreme pro-European party, whose one common characteristic and undisputed stance is devotion to the destruction of Britain's parliamentary independence.

It's still true.

[Magic]

#brexit? #notinmyname

[Bartholomert]

Not sure if propaganda but Britain seems to be doing alright:

http://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/685216/FTSE-100-leaps-to-HIGHEST-level-since-2015-just-a-week-after-Brexit

[Shindig]

We haven't done anything yet, mert.

[Spoonsky]

Couldn't they have organized a March for Europe a week before the referendum?

[Spoonsky]

Let's imagine a UKIP government. The economic reaction the morning after would make the current stuff seem like dropping a 10p piece. There would be mass protests in all major cities, and probably violence against UKIP types. Farage himself would probably get assassinated, and failing that his government would collapse in about three weeks because he just wouldn't have more than about five competent people at his disposal (and nor would he himself be competent).

What you can't knock with UKIP is that they have, in their own special way, represented those without a voice when all the other parties have been aggressively unwilling to do so.

Donald Trump. To the word (except for the government failing).

[GS]

May surely has the leadership sewn up.

I'd like Gove, but he's not going to recover from shafting Boris.

[Magic]

A lot of RACISTS on my Twitter are getting behind Andrea Leadsom. Why is this?

[GS]

Leave.EU are backing her.

[Byron]

The Daily Mail have SLAMMED Andrea Leadsom and branded her a HYPOCRITE because she BACKED REMAINING in the EU three years ago.

Someone needs to remind newspaper editors that people are allowed to change opinions.

They've also got a piece doing a right hatchet job on Gove, written by the sister of a certain B. Johnson.

[GS]

The Mail on Sunday were much on the remain train, so they're presumably still fighting the same battle as it's only the second chance they've had to put the boot in since the result.

That said, she was interviewed on Marr this morning and she didn't do hugely well. I saw it described earlier as the first time she's had to face 'fast balls' and she didn't do very well. If anything, May's consolidated her position further this morning following the candidates doing the rounds on the Sunday shows.

[Kikó]

The mail on Sunday will do the most it can to piss off anyone Paul Dacre supports.

[GS]

It's hard to blame them, really.