U.S. Presidential Election 2016 (Sponsored by Betty Croker's Hamburger Helper)

[John Arne]

Genuine question to those who dislike Harris so much... Why? Like specifically what has she done, or what policies has she backed that makes you dislike her so much? I'm genuinely curious. Apart from coming across as a bit arrogant at times, she seems to be pretty smart and has a decent enough track record on voting issues.

[randomlegend]

They need to hate her justify to themselves that thinking Trump is electable is a reasonable position to take.

[Spikey M]

Genuine question to those who dislike Harris so much... Why? Like specifically what has she done, or what policies has she backed that makes you dislike her so much? I'm genuinely curious. Apart from coming across as a bit arrogant at times, she seems to be pretty smart and has a decent enough track record on voting issues.

She's not funny and there'll be no memes. With Trump you get idiots with plasters on their ears, binman jackets and 4 more years, 4 more years, 4 more years of RL crying his angry tears as if the outcome of the election will actually affect his life in any real way whatsoever.

Just enjoy the shitshow for what it is.

[randomlegend]

The only crying I've being doing is with laughter.

[niko_cee]

No one hates Harris, she's just deeply uninspiring, as reflected by both the polling, and the fact that she would never have been selected in a contested primary [cf last time].

[Jimmy Floyd]

Being electable or not isn't an opinion, it's a reality.

[Spikey M]

The only crying I've being doing is with laughter.

Then gon on board the Trump Train. Next stop; Lulz.

[Dquincy]

Why is E. Musk shilling so hard for Donald? Surely as a mega-businessman you want to hedge your bets in these situations, like Cuddly Jeff has (albeit clumsily) done.

I think Musk knows he is more influential and powerful than they are (to a certain extent) and, therefore, gives no fucks about pandering to both sides. He has enough wealth to do what he wants regardless of who's in charge.

[Bernanke]

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Apparently asparagus lady called it back in July.

[niko_cee]

Move over Paul the Octopus.

[Yevrah]

I'd assumed the Asparagus' talents would have been limited to a binary choice, but listening to that apparently not - it seemingly has the ability to introduce a choice from left field completely.

[Bernanke]

"I keep on getting this" as if she keeps chucking asparagus at the floor hoping it shows something else.

[Jimmy Floyd]

'Fucking hell, Rand Paul? No, no I don't think so, actually. I don't think so at all.'

*splat*

[Spikey M]

"I keep on getting this" as if she keeps chucking asparagus at the floor hoping it shows something else.

You turn if you want, but the vegetable is not for turning.

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[Foe]

I’ve £7 on Kamala. Purely to trigger my trump supporting friend, which worked beautifully.

[Kikó]

You'll trade out for Jill Stein before the night is out.

[Foe]

I’m off this week so likely will spend the day bankrupting myself in volatility trades.

That £7 could well be my net worth.

[niko_cee]

Is it possible to bet on when Trump declares himself the winner?

[niko_cee]

They've got John Bolton on Newsnight and have thankfully done the honourable thing and done a bit about all of Trump's frankly hilarious comments about him. Best bit being is he's probably right. I remember when he was appointed as Ambassador to the UN by Bush 2 and everyone was like what are they doing appointing this warmongering wacko to that role. 20 years later and apparently he's the grown up in the room.

[niko_cee]

Apparently the baby pygmy hippo disagrees with the asparagus. Probably a telling insight into the state of modern political discourse.

[Spikey M]

When dies this shitshow end? Is it results over night (unless super close)?

[-james-]

Some time around February if Kamala wins and the Don doesn't fancy conceding.

[-james-]

But tonight I think first results are around half 11, and might have an idea about what way the wind is blowing about an hour after that. Florida is always first I think.

[Pepe]

I want Tronald to win for the lols, but then that means four more years of everyone being performatively appalled at everything be says and does. If Harris wins maybe we will finally get some peace. Probably the best outcome. Unless he's mounts a real insurrection this time, like when Lopez Obrador lost and decided to camp in the zocalo for like two straight yards and called himself the legitimate president. I think something like that might be the best outcome.

[Pepe]

If Trump wins, I'll regret having left the university a little bit. Academic tears have a delicious taste.

[niko_cee]

Pennsylvania polls close at 1am [our time] but it's going to take them 24 hours to count apparently given how likely it is to be close. Doubt there'll be a winner by breakfast tomorrow, as might be the case in a clear cut situation.

Do/did you live in Pennsylvania Pepe, or am I imagining that?

[Pepe]

I used to live there, yes. Left a few months ago. It is basically all Trump except for the two cities, just like everywhere else in the country.

[niko_cee]

Does that mean you have lost the chance to be a crucial swing voter or do they not let you vote anyway?

[Pepe]

They don't let me vote, the bastards, despite me being here for over fifteen years.

[Kikó]

Good you criminal rapist pet eater.

[niko_cee]

So much for no taxation without representation.

[Pepe]

Next year though, that is when I become a full blown American. :cool: Will buy myself a shotgun to celebrate.

[niko_cee]

How has Trump voted? I didn't think they let felons vote, or is that just black/poor felons?

[randomlegend]

They've delayed his sentencing until after the election because reasons.

[niko_cee]

Yeah, but you're still convicted pending sentence, surely. Seems an odd loophole, but their whole voting system is a bit mental.

[Giggles]

When do we expect this will be done and dusted either way?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Around about the time you take your morning ginseng tomorrow.

I have no idea on this one. The Donaldinho lot are giving it a lot of gas, but then that's all they ever do. Instinct says Harris wins.

[Manc]

Moo Deng has Trump winning. :cool:

[Bam]

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[Manc]

Boris on the Channel 4 coverage. Phenomenal.

[Yevrah]

It would really help if all of the broadcasters could explain the electoral college system (which isn't remotely complicated) like they weren't talking to retards.

[niko_cee]

What's with the teaser exit polling? State of Democracy beating THE ECONOMY and abortion then following up ahead of immigration = Harris landslide.

[Manc]

Stormy Daniels waiting in the wings.

[Yevrah]

Whereas the BBC have a Woman with a massive head.

[Lewis]

'The state of democracy' is presumably the American retard equivalent of thinking the Conservative Party are only ever a day away from privatising the NHS.

[Manc]

Emily Maitlis is unbearable.

[phonics]

'The state of democracy' is presumably the American retard equivalent of thinking the Conservative Party are only ever a day away from privatising the NHS.

You remember the last time this guy lost a bunch of people tried to murder his vice president right?

[Lewis]

No?

[Spikey M]

You remember the last time this guy lost a bunch of people tried to murder his vice president right?

2 people have tried to kill Trump in the last, what, 6 months?

[niko_cee]

Think I'm going to have to tap out on this. It's too fucking dull, and their version of exit polling appears to be asking people what their favourite colour is, or perhaps even that's too revelatory in and of itself.

[niko_cee]

Trump's on the voter fraud bandwagon already. He's obviously toast.

[Pleb]

Early votes suggest this might be close.

[Spikey M]

Keep us updated Pleb lad.

[Pleb]

19-3 to Trump.

[Spikey M]

@Mahow how many for Ronaldo?

[Spikey M]

Nah. This absolute bantagious banter isn't going to cut it. Night all.

[Pepe]

One more victim of the Plebroll.

[Pleb]

:cool:

[Yevrah]

Yeah, this has all been very dull. Haven't even got the snacks out yet.

[Yevrah]

We're warming up. Very similar to 4 years at this time of night Trump has gone reasonably large favourite, with Harris out to 3/1. The vote rigging bollocks appears to be getting louder as well.

[John Arne]

I'm here for the thrills. Just got into the office, cup of tea and told everybody to leave me alone.

[Yevrah]

North Carolina to Trump, supposedly.

[Gray Fox]

Looking a lot like The Donald is going to take Georgia back as well as hold North Carolina. If so she needs the Northern trio of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania or she's likely toast.

If those things do happen it's on to the Nevada and Arizona showdown to see who wins. 4 years ago Sleepy Joe just about got over the line in about 3 of those and only by a few thousand in each. I'm not sure she's got enough for the same.

[Yevrah]

Yeah, 5 point lead with 70% of the votes counted for the orange one. Smashing it in Florida too.

Mehdi Hasan was on C4 just now and I was shocked to see myself agreeing with every word he said.

[-james-]

He's going to win the popular vote. :cab:

[Pepe]

:harold:

[Gray Fox]

I find mad about this is that you get a running count of the vote and even declarations in some states, while polls are still open on the other side of the country.

Democrats I've seen on Twitter are all clinging to this being a "red mirage." But the blue votes do need to come back in at some point.

As I type that, Arizona and Nevada have closed and NY Times immediately suggest the former is leaning red. She's properly fucked this by the look of it.

[-james-]

It's Joever. Turns out a bit of rizz and going on Joe Rogan is all you need.

[Pepe]

It's almost as if running someone who was in sixth place during the primary in 2020 before bailing out is a bad idea.

[Bernanke]

It's Joever. Turns out a bit of rizz and going on Joe Rogan is all you need.

It's the economy apparently, always.

[Yevrah]

It's almost as if running someone who was in sixth place during the primary in 2020 before bailing out is a bad idea.

Absolutely no problem with sticking with a dementia candidate for so long. The left are so shit at WINNING it's untrue.

[Yevrah]

It's Joever. Turns out a bit of rizz and going on Joe Rogan is all you need.

It plays a massive and undervalued part. I don't know enough about his views (Rogan's) to comment on him from that perspective, but from what I've seen he's a bang average interviewer but none of that matters when his reach is as huge as it is.

The problem Harris had is appearing on it and not sounding like a political robot, which I suspect she's incapable of doing, which just doesn't wash anymore.

[Yevrah]

Oh and special mention to the pollsters if this goes the way it now looks (with Trump 1/10). Top job once again chaps.

[Pepe]

Lol if he wins all of PA, MI, and WI.

[Gray Fox]

He's now favourite to win every single one of those swing states. If this goes as currently projected, then he's absolutely wiped the floor with her.

[Pepe]

Come on Tronny, give me a tax cut.

[Pepe]

Anyone knows what the house/senate situation? Triple lols if they win both.

[phonics]

2 people have tried to kill Trump in the last, what, 6 months?

Both Republican voters iirc.

[phonics]

Harris has lost. I got one welcome our new Chinese overlords.

[Kikó]

Always thought Trump was the man.

[AJ23]

8 years on from Brexit and Trump's first Presidential victory, so many people in politics still don't seem to realise how enormously influential 'I'm a proud native like you' and 'Foreign policy and illegal immigration is a huge problem' talk is, other than brutally mocking and then subsequently losing.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Harris 7% ahead with those on six-figure salaries, which I'd say is the real quiz.

Hopefully this marks the end of the woke era and those with western civilisation's interests at heart will return to the fore in response.

[Spikey M]

Both Republican voters iirc.

Of course.:happycry:

[Spikey M]

8 years on from Brexit and Trump's first Presidential victory, so many people in politics still don't seem to realise how enormously influential 'I'm a proud native like you' and 'Foreign policy and illegal immigration is a huge problem' talk is, other than brutally mocking and then subsequently losing.

It's so obvious too. The algorithms and echo chambers have completely broken society.

[Jimmy Floyd]

My first thought is that in the three elections vs Trump, the only candidate to perform well against him was the 77 year old man who could barely string a sentence together. Is America going to vote for a woman as president? I would say if it does it will either be a Thatcher-like hawk figure, or a blonde with large breasts. It doesn't seem that America at large sees coastal liberal women as viable options for commander-in-chief.

[Spikey M]

Harris 7% ahead with those on six-figure salaries, which I'd say is the real quiz.

Hopefully this marks the end of the woke era and those with western civilisation's interests at heart will return to the fore in response.

They will double down if anything.

[Lofty]

Farage at his victory speech :D

[Spikey M]

Farage at his victory speech :D

He's been there for a few days. This

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made me cringe so hard that I nearly puked up my own arsehole.

The big winner indeed. Go and have a little trot 'round Clacton, Tronald lad.

[Jimmy Floyd]

We need a US-UK summit immediately, I want to see Starmer's face.

[Magic]

Shit news because Musk will be over the fucking moon.

[Spikey M]

I want to see David Lammy sit down with Vance.

[Gray Fox]

I see this either ending with him getting shot, properly this time, or he'll grant himself the power for more than two terms and he stays until he dies of something else.

[Spikey M]

He might get shot, but there's no chance at all of anything like the later. He will make wild claims and promises. Blue haired people will scream dramatically in the street (as usual) and nothing of consequence will happen.

[AJ23]

Why does Donald Trump sound like Paul Merson? Repeating words from the last sentence?

"It was a terrific victory. Terrific. They worked very hard. Very hard. It was an incredible performance. Incredible. Doing a great job. A great job"

[Ben]

He actually sounds old this time around. He didn't in 2016 and 2020, but now everything is a lot more monotone and repetitive, kind of like the way my grandma went when she got the dementia diagnosis.

I wonder if he'll do a Biden at some point in this term.

[Lofty]

The crowd shouted Elon at him and he's been derailed talking about rockets for about 5 minutes now :D

[Giggles]

Is it actually done or is everyone just going on polls and all that stuff?

[Spikey M]

Is it actually done or is everyone just going on polls and all that stuff?

He only needs 5 more "seats" (I don't know what the Yank terminology is) to get over the line. Kamala needs 75.

[Ben]

Not officially done but he only needs 3 more, whereas Harris needs about 90.

[Giggles]

Hopefully he does pull it off but there's serious potential for egg on face here then.

[Gray Fox]

Is it actually done or is everyone just going on polls and all that stuff?

For some reason they announce how votes are going as they're still being counted. It's done, just a matter of formalising how much he's won by.

[Spikey M]

Sentencing in 3 weeks :D

Can he pardon himself now?

[Gray Fox]

Presidency, House and Senate. He can do whatever he wants.

[Shindig]

Trump 2 - 0 Women candidates.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The reactions from self-regarding types on our side of the drink are amazing. 'Otto English' on twitter is always a go-to for this sort of thing.

[Yevrah]

Hopefully this marks the end of the woke era and those with western civilisation's interests at heart will return to the fore in response.

I somehow doubt it will, the usual suspects will once again be completely bemused as to how anyone could vote for him let alone him win an election. This came up time and time again in the coverage I saw last night and people just don't get it.

[Dquincy]

The better candidate has won. Well done Trump.

If I was American, I would have voted for him over Harris.

[Spikey M]

Harris is catching up.

[Shindig]

There's too much money in outrage for the woke/unwoke stuff to stop. You'd need social media to collapse.

[Yevrah]

The reactions from self-regarding types on our side of the drink are amazing. 'Otto English' on twitter is always a go-to for this sort of thing.

Had a quick look and nearly vomited. This rose tinted view of Europe, when it's actually awash with racists and rising (far) right movements is hilarious and I'm assuming stems from an inability to accept the Brexit referendum result, even after more than 8 years have passed.

[Spikey M]

There's too much money in outrage for the woke/unwoke stuff to stop. You'd need social media to collapse.

How do I vote in favour of this?

[Yevrah]

There's too much money in outrage for the woke/unwoke stuff to stop. You'd need social media to collapse.

Social media is what's causing all this change, but for some reason the only part of it is that the mainstream listens to are Spikey's screaming blue haired lot and there aren't anywhere near enough of them to accomplish much beyond cancelling individuals, irrespective of how loudly they scream.

[Ben]

The bookies have already paid out on Trump, so there's no chance of it being overhauled.

[Waffdon]

Need Don to remove the term limit out and have it out with Obama in 2028 for the self acclaimed GOAT

[Yevrah]

Emily Thornberry crying a river here, moaning about Trump's intention to withdraw from the Paris climate accord, an accord which last time I checked was nowhere near to achieving its stated goals.

Fair play to Starmer for not attempting to 'win the argument' and good luck to him keeping his lot in check.

[Ben]

List of countries about to be fucked:

1. Ukraine
2. Iran
3. UK

[Kikó]

At least Kennedy can sort out THE SCIENCE and Musk can remove 3 trillion of waste from the 3 trillion government spend.

[Giggles]

List of countries about to be fucked:

1. Ukraine
2. Iran
3. UK

Throw us into the mix too. Though this place deserves everything it gets and in the long run this is the best thing for the world as a whole.

[niko_cee]

Turns out the state of democracy wasn't that important.

How is this going to fuck the UK? Nigel will see us right.

Although extra lol if Harris somehow comes back now after Sir Toolmaker has congratulated Donald.

[Lofty]

Pretty sure Trump last time round wanted to impose any trade deals on us based on allowing sub standard yank meat to be sold in the UK amongst other things.

Also if he says 'bye' to Ukraine and pulls out of NATO we are a lot closer to the fallout of that than he is, it wasn't that long ago Russia were routinely flying fighter jets along the edge of our airspace.

[Yevrah]

Also if he says 'bye' to Ukraine and pulls out of NATO we are a lot closer to the fallout of that than he is, it wasn't that long ago Russia were routinely flying fighter jets along the edge of our airspace.

What fallout would there be? Putin's not suddenly going to invade Poland. And shovelling billions upon billions into this in perpetuity makes little sense when the West is (relatively) on its arse.

[niko_cee]

Isn't sub standard yank meat essentially a massive protectionist lie in itself? The whole chlorinated chicken thing is - an EU policy specifically created to exclude those products not for the benefit of the consumer. I don't know about the growth hormone beef or whatever, but their USDA steaks and whatnot seem to attract a premium.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Trump is much better for the UK than Harris, the Dems fucking hate us. Trump by contrast has lots of business interests here. Starmer will no doubt piss this up the wall by taking a stupid moral stance.

[Lofty]

What fallout would there be? Putin's not suddenly going to invade Poland. And shovelling billions upon billions into this in perpetuity makes little sense when the West is (relatively) on its arse.

The guy bags his shite to make sure no-one can test it, he wants to be buried in a soviet flag having restored the union to it's former glory. A toothless Europe and disinterested America is exactly what he wants, why did he take Donny for a private chat away from his handlers on that visit if not?

[niko_cee]

Biden would have done better than Harris by the looks of it.

[Yevrah]

The guy bags his shite to make sure no-one can test it, he wants to be buried in a soviet flag having restored the union to it's former glory. A toothless Europe and disinterested America is exactly what he wants, why did he take Donny for a private chat away from his handlers on that visit if not?

He can want these things all he likes, if he starts a full scale invasion of Eastern Europe he'd be blown off the map.

[Lofty]

By whom?

[Yevrah]

By whom?

The rest of Europe and ultimately the US. Trump might not want to (I'm not sure he wouldn't), but the pressure on him to get involved if Putin was to try would be overwhelming.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The office debate this morning is unlistenable trash (as most office debates are I suppose). The smug woke bloke is APPALLED and thinks that instead of electing Trump, they should ban guns. The Arab think it's all about Palestine and Arab Americans voting for Trump in their droves (which may well have happened but they are tiny in number). The black guy thinks that 'Make America Great Again' is a racist slogan.

Everyone just makes everything about themselves. Try going in other people's shoes for a bit.

[Jimmy Floyd]

By whom?

He's lost a quarter of a million men and shit tons of hardware getting a few hundred kms into Ukraine, he doesn't remotely have the resources to do anything else.

[AJ23]

Trump is 78 years of age. Driving licence expires at 70.....

[niko_cee]

Just when he's poised to get the vote Pepe is set to be thwarted by the abolition of elections in the US.

[niko_cee]

Wait, Maitlis was taken off air on C4 for getting all sweary?

:lol:

[Manc]

Anyone heard from sausage fingers?

[Boydy]

Wait, Maitlis was taken off air on C4 for getting all sweary?

:lol:

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:lol:

[Spikey M]

It's done. Trump on 279.

BRING ON THE MEME'S.

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[Dark Soldier]

Are y'all actually using the term woke in here unironically? If so holy shit, absolute melts.

[Yevrah]

Are y'all actually using the term woke in here unironically? If so holy shit, absolute melts.

It's an awful term, but what other word is there that encapsulates the intolerance of the left and general associated nonsense we've seen over the last few years?

[Kikó]

I'm surprised that Jimmy actually uses the word woke. It's gimpy.

[Dark Soldier]

Just have a discussion, not a label. Genuinely makes y'all seem as precious as the ones you're desperate to mock. Kinda weird all round.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's a useful metonym for the 2010s onwards obsession with identity politics on the academic left. Make a better word for it if you want.

[Yevrah]

It's done. Trump on 279.

BRING ON THE MEME'S.

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Really is a tragic performance from the Democrats. Still, just blame the outcome on America getting a fair few million people more racist and everyone involved can sleep easy rather than being thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

[Yevrah]

I'm surprised that Jimmy actually uses the word woke. It's gimpy.

It is and I feel a little bit sick every time I see it, but we are where we are.

[Boydy]

Pretty funny that Kamala was doing well in the polls and her campaign seemed to have momentum until a group of advisors from the Labour party went over to advise the Democrats how to win and it all seemed to fall to shit from that point onwards.

I imagine the Democrats didn't really take all their advice or anything too seriously. But still. Funny.

[Jimmy Floyd]

It's no different to everyone calling Trump a fascist or whatever. In fact it's a lot better than that because 'woke' is era-specific and accurate in its implications. It will be used heavily by historians looking back on this period.

People who object to it are normally those who feel attacked by its usage, in the same way that I might react if one of them called me white privileged or whatever.

[Yevrah]

Just have a discussion, not a label. Genuinely makes y'all seem as precious as the ones you're desperate to mock. Kinda weird all round.

You can't have discussions though can you, at least not in a public forum for fear of being set upon and your life getting exponentially harder as a result. And if you want proof of that look at these election results, from Brexit to last night, people just don't want to share how they feel because the potential fallout just isn't worth it - Last night was supposed to be neck and neck according to the polls, yet Trump had clearly won by 3am and it's going to end up in a landslide for him.

[Spikey M]

Are y'all actually using the term woke in here unironically? If so holy shit, absolute melts.

Y'all? Mate.

[Dark Soldier]

Not just the mumsnet of sport, the mumsnet of politics too. Facebook for former FMers. Glorious stuff lads.

[niko_cee]

Last night was supposed to be neck and neck according to the polls, yet Trump had clearly won by 3am and it's going to end up in a landslide for him.

All within the margin of error baby.

Didn't the polls have Trump ahead in 5 of the 7 swing states immediately prior to the election?

[Yevrah]

Pretty funny that Kamala was doing well in the polls and her campaign seemed to have momentum until a group of advisors from the Labour party went over to advise the Democrats how to win and it all seemed to fall to shit from that point onwards.

I imagine the Democrats didn't really take all their advice or anything too seriously. But still. Funny.

:D What did they advise?

In any case, polls are dead. Either the pollsters are in an echo-chamber of their own and aren't asking the right people or they are and the people they're asking just don't want to tell them the truth, as as above, it just isn't worth it.

[niko_cee]

I did see something interesting about polls, and how one type of polling was done exclusively through landlines. Hmmm.

[Dark Soldier]

Y'all? Mate.

Seemed apt considering the thread.

[Yevrah]

I did see something interesting about polls, and how one type of polling was done exclusively through landlines. Hmmm.

I mean, for fuck's sake.

[Spikey M]

Seemed apt considering the thread.

You trippin'.

[niko_cee]

On the polling, looking on 538 AtlasIntel appear to have nailed the result with their last round of reported polls, for example.

[Spikey M]

I did see something interesting about polls, and how one type of polling was done exclusively through landlines. Hmmm.

I know nothing about how the polls are conducted, but if it's anything but 100% anonymous (and I include being overheard by people on phone calls in that) then it will massively skew the results.

It's the same as here. You get the odd absolute GEEZER who will say loud and proud that they're voting Reform, but most will lie in that environment.

I suspect that's why the polls were wrong on Brexit too.

[Yevrah]

I suspect that's why the polls were wrong on Brexit too.

It absolutely is. If you're in that position you have two choices, say nothing and no one can ever find out about your voting intentions or tell someone and risk it getting out and being branded a racist, nazi or whatever, which are utterly horrible things to be accused of and probably only trumped by the obvious.

Unless you're so rich or so moronic that you don't care, it's an absolute no brainer in the current and (previous 8 years) climate.

[Yevrah]

Is Harris doing a (Hillary) Clinton and hiding in a toilet?

[Pepe]

Y'all? Mate.

:lol:

[AJ23]

https://www.tiktok.com/@scheifferbates/video/7433879850735160608

[Giggles]

It's a pity it had to be Trump but any large scale fuck-off to things like climate change, identifying as a screwdriver, and mass immigration has to be regarded as a good day. Things like these eventually trickle down to us all from countries like the US and will hopefully see the push back to center we're seeing in Europe only get stronger.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I spent some years lying about what I voted in Brexit to left-wing friends. Maintaining good relations is more important than STANDING UP FOR WHAT I BELIEVE IN.

[Kikó]

If we say fuck off to climate change that would solve it. Go team Trump.

[Pepe]

Solar is doing great without the need of DOING SOMETHING. Nuclear is also making a comeback. Let the markets do their thing and we'll be fine. Governments trying to fix things just make them worse.

[Giggles]

Solar is doing great without the need of DOING SOMETHING. Nuclear is also making a comeback. Let the markets do their thing and we'll be fine. Governments trying to fix things just make them worse.

Governments are trying to 'fix' climate change to rake in whatever new tax they can dream up this week. There's no problem to solve.

[niko_cee]

Has Harris not conceded yet?

[AJ23]

When those minions come to my door, I don’t tell them who I’m voting for.

If they press me, I tell them about the trouble my immigrant parents / grandparents had coming to and living in the UK after WW2 which is far greater than the problem anyone has now coming to this country. Having a local policeman on their tail and visiting their house weekly to make sure they weren’t hiding anyone. Racial slurs where you couldn’t complain to anyone. Checking they were working otherwise they’d be threatened with being sent back.

Those poor work experience kids can’t quite get their heads around it, going ‘Oh oh, I didn’t realise that’, backing away and eventually they’re behind the gate and then make excuses to leave.

[Kikó]

Has Harris not conceded yet?

They're preparing to storm the capital.

[niko_cee]

Shame she can't refuse to certify the results.

Wonder if Joe will do the old handover that Donald shunned. Can he still executive order the assassination of Trump under Presidential Immunity?

[Kikó]

Solar is doing great without the need of DOING SOMETHING. Nuclear is also making a comeback. Let the markets do their thing and we'll be fine. Governments trying to fix things just make them worse.

What does "solar doing great" look like?

[Magic]

If this forces us to get back with the EU because of tariffs how does it benefit Ruzzia?

[Magic]

What does "solar doing great" look like?

R/sales lol.

[niko_cee]

It won't force that, although I see that appears to be deep state remain doctrine now. We must rejoin!

Just give us the chicken.

[Gray Fox]

The power of Hulkamania going over is incredible.

They gave Come-Oh-Lah the "this doesn't work for me, brother."

[Lofty]

Not just the mumsnet of sport, the mumsnet of politics too. Facebook for former FMers. Glorious stuff lads.

A second penis beaker has hit the forums.

[Pepe]

What does "solar doing great" look like?

Like this:

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcf9745d 3-26ec-4db3-b1b0-eddd95f6162a_1600x1130.png

[Kikó]

Like this:

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcf9745d 3-26ec-4db3-b1b0-eddd95f6162a_1600x1130.png

Ah understood. I thought you were referring to the sun sorting out the climate in a different way.

[Lewis]

I think we can basically put all of this down to Harris being a thoroughly unlikeable person who ran a pathetic campaign, rather than reading anything particularly new into America being what it is. Haven't a load of the local candidates out-performed her massively? The fact she has just slunked off tells you everything about her.

[Yevrah]

She seemed fine from what I saw of her, but had it been a properly contested nomination she wouldn't have been running against Trump in the first place so the blame for it all is squarely at the door of defending a president with dementia (which was clear as day two years ago and only got worse) until it was too late to go with anyone else.

[niko_cee]

Not sure anyone on the Democratic ticket has particularly out-performed anything. Seems horrid across the board for them.

Lots of 'democratic issues' seem to have done well on the ballots though, so maybe abortion and 'labor' laws are a state thing after all?

[niko_cee]

At least Ruben Gallego appears to be keeping Kari Lake at bay, although still a lot of votes to count.

Less good new for good old Lance Kunce. It's not Koontz mate.

[Pepe]

Someone should check on RL.

[randomlegend]

Someone should check on RL.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFgcqB8-AxE

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think we can basically put all of this down to Harris being a thoroughly unlikeable person who ran a pathetic campaign, rather than reading anything particularly new into America being what it is. Haven't a load of the local candidates out-performed her massively? The fact she has just slunked off tells you everything about her.

I think this. Trump has a hard ceiling. You have to be crap to lose to him. Clinton and Harris both managed it.

[Pepe]

Again, she ran in a primary and was extremely unpopular. Then Biden drops out way too late and she bowls in with a campaign that offered nothing apart from 'if you vote Trump you're evil/stupid/weird/deplorable/racist'. Turns out that inspired no one.

[niko_cee]

Having never put myself through the full horror of the Biden debate performance I've only just seen that "I've no idea what he just said and I don't think he does either" line.

:D

Hard ceiling might be a bit harsh on Trump, seeing as everyone was going on about this being a record turnout election [is it?] and he appears to have lolled his way to winning the popular vote.

[-james-]

I saw someone saying that JD Vance is basically Trump but intelligent and competent. Is that the democrats fucked for the next decade then?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I saw someone saying that JD Vance is basically Trump but intelligent and competent. Is that the democrats fucked for the next decade then?

That might be a bit much.

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[niko_cee]

I saw someone saying that JD Vance is basically Trump but intelligent and competent. Is that the democrats fucked for the next decade then?

You'd have to be concerned. Trump is obviously extremely self-serving, so perhaps not pre-disposed to campaigning for other people, but at the same time, it will suit him to have someone compliant as POTUS if he can't be, as he's seen what can happen when it goes the other way. Unless they completely tank everything in the next 4 years you'd have to think he'd essentially be running as an incumbent and be nigh on unstoppable.

But as with the last Trump Presidency things can change rapidly. He was a shoe-in for re-election on March 1st 2020.

[Shindig]

None of this will matter when a third Retardy Oswald gets the shot right. Or, y'know, his age gets the better of him.

Or those alleged photos of a 13 year old Ivanka get verified and it transpires Donald chucked her into porn as a child.

[Spikey M]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFgcqB8-AxE

:D

[Lewis]

Again, she ran in a primary and was extremely unpopular. Then Biden drops out way too late and she bowls in with a campaign that offered nothing apart from 'if you vote Trump you're evil/stupid/weird/deplorable/racist'. Turns out that inspired no one.

Did you see that video where somebody had replaced 'our democracy' with 'our bureaucracy' in a load of Democrat freak-out clips? Warning people that he might undermine The Rule of Law and whatever else was like threatening people with a good time when all of your 'normal' structures are failing across the board.

[Magic]

https://www.latintimes.com/did-joe-biden-drop-out-google-trends-presidential-election-trump-harris-564875

:D

[Pepe]

Did you see that video where somebody had replaced 'our democracy' with 'our bureaucracy' in a load of Democrat freak-out clips? Warning people that he might undermine The Rule of Law and whatever else was like threatening people with a good time when all of your 'normal' structures are failing across the board.

I have not but that's pretty good. Trump is still somehow the anti-establishment choice and that has a ton of appeal over here. That's what made Vance a great VP choice: a famous person among the right demographic that also has the 'not a politician' vibe. Meanwhile the Democrats, lovers of democracy, kept telling us Biden was just fine and then after that lol debate, instead of running a primary, they just said 'it will be Harris and you will like it'. Establishment Republicans obviously hate Trump, but at least they realize that if he is the popular choice then so be it.

At least the Democrats got the first trans woman in Congress, so they should be celebrating that.

[Ben]

I saw someone saying that JD Vance is basically Trump but intelligent and competent. Is that the democrats fucked for the next decade then?

Vance seems like a class clown. Maybe now he's actually got the job he'll portray some intelligence and competence, but I'm not putting any money on it.

[Kikó]

There's a nice sync that this thread is still being used with trump being re elected

[niko_cee]

It's an invaluable record, like the shameful lustage thread, and neatly cyclical, also like the shameful lustage thread.

[Boydy]

The Democrats just need to run a white guy from the Midwest as their next candidate. Stop trying to get the first X president who's from the coastal liberal elite and just pick some guy that isn't going to turn middle America off. And have some decent economic policies. But then that's not what their politics is about any more, is it? Identity over class. Minority this, minority that. Intersectionality. Oppression olympics. Woke. People fucking hate that shit.

Just improve people's lives economically and you make things better for all those minorities you claim to care about as well.

[Boydy]

Does local news elsewhere in the UK send correspondents to the US to cover this as well? Why the fuck do BBC NI need to send someone there to report on "what this means for Northern Ireland"? Probably not that much and even if it does mean any thing, you can report it from fucking Belfast. Stop wasting my licence fee money, you cunts.

All the local news here this evening is about this. Comments from the First and Deputy First Ministers. Voxpops from dickheads in the street. I know it's big news but the national news just covered it for half an hour. I don't need a shite NI angle on things, report some actual local news in your ten minutes slot.

[Boydy]

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[Jimmy Floyd]

The Democrats just need to run a white guy from the Midwest as their next candidate. Stop trying to get the first X president who's from the coastal liberal elite and just pick some guy that isn't going to turn middle America off. And have some decent economic policies. But then that's not what their politics is about any more, is it? Identity over class. Minority this, minority that. Intersectionality. Oppression olympics. Woke. People fucking hate that shit.

Just improve people's lives economically and you make things better for all those minorities you claim to care about as well.

I've not followed this overly closely but from everything I've seen, Tim Walz would probably have won.

[Lewis]

Old and bald identity politics at last.

[Boydy]

I've not followed this overly closely but from everything I've seen, Tim Walz would probably have won.

Tim Walz with policies of a similar bent to what he signed in as governor of Minnesota, probably.

[Boydy]

Pretty funny that Kamala was doing well in the polls and her campaign seemed to have momentum until a group of advisors from the Labour party went over to advise the Democrats how to win and it all seemed to fall to shit from that point onwards.

I imagine the Democrats didn't really take all their advice or anything too seriously. But still. Funny.

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Is it any wonder they lost

[Kikó]

The Democrats just need to run a white guy from the Midwest as their next candidate. Stop trying to get the first X president who's from the coastal liberal elite and just pick some guy that isn't going to turn middle America off. And have some decent economic policies. But then that's not what their politics is about any more, is it? Identity over class. Minority this, minority that. Intersectionality. Oppression olympics. Woke. People fucking hate that shit.

Just improve people's lives economically and you make things better for all those minorities you claim to care about as well.

On the final point, there are strong arguments Biden did. Strong union defence and huge investment in infrastructure creating jobs for the working class. Shame he's 80.

[Lofty]

Why did Labour share campaign tips anyway?

'what we found really helped was running against incumbents who had been in for 14 years and had been in such decline they were cartoonishly corrupt and incompetent'

'we are the incumbents'

'oh yeah'

Is there anyone in the current Labour government who would be considered a 'senior figure' with experience of winning an election as the party in power? Mandelson?

[Kikó]

They just fancied a jolly mate.

[Shindig]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzO8SKEC-no

"The ties will be played the week commencing the 6th January ..."

[Jimmy Floyd]

One of the big diseases in UK politics - particularly the sort of UK soft left which Boydy rails against - is a massive over-exposure and obsession with the US. Partly it's just the general glamour and money of the States - which is the same phenomenon that attracts Farage - but partly it's a specific nostalgia for Bill Clinton and frankly for Jed Bartlet that the Ashworths of the world all share, these were the big soft-left heroes in their formative years.

We really need to break away from that kind of thinking, on all sides of politics. America is a very different country and almost nothing there is applicable to us, and vice versa.

[niko_cee]

What is the deal with some states being so slow at counting? I mean, what the fuck are they playing at in Maine? In 'The Forks Plt.' they've managed to count 89.7% of the vote since since the polls closed. Another way of putting that is they have counted 35 votes in that time. 3 votes still to count . . .

Upton, Maine. 86.2% counted. That's 66 votes to you and me.

:cab:

[niko_cee]

Also, is Trump's son Barron absolutely massive? He looks about 7 foot tall.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

6 foot 9 so not far off.

[Boydy]

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This is a big part of the problem as well. The professional managerial class. They're not believable as your comrade on the factory floor or in the office. They're your cunt boss and everyone hates their cunt boss.

They offer nothing in terms of policies and they hate you that you're not grateful to them for it.

[niko_cee]

Rightly or wrongly people believe that Trump will try to improve their lives on a basic level. I'm not sure many people really think that about most 'normal' politicians.

That is obviously a problem.

Also, obviously after-the-facting, but virtually everyone has to buy 'gas' and 'groceries'. A vanishingly small number of voters ever access 'women's health services', even if that is, in principle, not something that people should be denied.

It was the economy after all, and not the largely made up numbers economy of governments and the markets. But, you see, your lives are better . . .

[niko_cee]

I see Rory Stewart, who's input I had missed, elucidates the point well, whilst obviously being generally catastrophically wrong about everything on that dreadful podcast:


Stewart remained confused by the outcome as he said, “The economy was doing reasonably okay in terms of GDP per capita. There were no major foreign policy catastrophes.”

All the celebrity/talking head tears are most amusing.

[Yevrah]

Have to say Boydy, you’re nailing the shit out of this.

[Pepe]

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This is a big part of the problem as well. The professional managerial class. They're not believable as your comrade on the factory floor or in the office. They're your cunt boss and everyone hates their cunt boss.

They offer nothing in terms of policies and they hate you that you're not grateful to them for it.


Once I might have said that Harris would have won if she’d adopted all of my preferred policies. Socialise everything; denounce Khrushchevite revisionism. These days I’m not so sure that’d work, but it couldn’t have hurt for her to have adopted literally any policies whatsoever. Stupid thought. That sort of thing isn’t available to politicians like Kamala Harris. It’s not how the system works. The candidate doesn’t owe anything to the public, the public owes something to the candidate. You have to give them your love and respect and admiration and, crucially, your vote. Otherwise the monster wins

https://samkriss.substack.com/p/i-told-you-so

[Kikó]

I did think there wasn't enough Khrushchevite revisionism.

[Pepe]

Heard that she had a hard time pronouncing it, which is why it was left off the ticket.

[phonics]

While it would be nice to believe all the Bernie Sanders support the working class and they'll support you, Sherrod Brown losing to the MAGA car salesman kind of disproves the whole theory as bollocks. Policy and action doesn't matter. I will punish the people you hate is the major driving force of all of this.

[Ben]

Sherrod Brown is still a Democrat though, and they had the stink on them all.

Not unlike Corbyn, who was seen as unelectable, but many of his proposed policies ended up being adopted by the opposition in later years anyway.

[Pepe]

I had to listen to Sherrod Brown's ads on the radio everyday for the last two months. They were all about abortion. Maybe if he had focused on the working class instead, he wouldn't have lost to the Colombian lad.

[niko_cee]

This sustained applause for Biden is so cringeworthy.

Who's name is he going to get wrong today?

[niko_cee]

Was actually quite a good speech.

He would have done better than Harris if they'd let that Biden out and about instead of the one who couldn't read his notes or deliver a pre-determined line.

[Yevrah]

Must have upped his treatment dosage.

[niko_cee]

I think you're less likely to get lost in your words if you are speaking off the cuff, and, for want of a less 'corny' term, from the heart, at least in a lol look he's got dementia way, unless you do actually have dementia.

It's what Trump did. Freewheeling about the choice between electrocution and getting in the water with sharks is not something that necessarily screams 'of sound mind', for example.

Although it was all part of the wider problem of the Democrats not facing up to their short-comings, but rather ignoring or denying them and thinking the people wouldn't notice.

[Shindig]

Now for Trump to govern from behind bars, like it's a fuck you to Mandela or something.

[Lewis]

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:lol:

[niko_cee]

:D

Just need to splice the end of The Usual Suspects into it somehow.

[Pepe]

Biden's last few months must have been like when Michael Scott gives his notice in the office. Bantering around with the interns. Riding his mobility scooter around the White House. Legs on the desk while he eats his ice cream in the oval office. Napping during meetings.

[Magic]

As if he wasn't doing that before.

[Manc]

Sleepy Joe. :drool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

What's the next one of these going to be then, Vance vs George Clooney? Are the Obama children old enough to run yet?

[Giggles]

De Niro probably fancies a shot.

[niko_cee]

Vance v Michelle Obama?

Trump repeals the 22nd amendment and it's Donald v Bill [or Barry]?

[Giggles]

The crying from the extreme left here (all our media outlets) has been unreal since. From calling him a misogynist on the main evening news to branding the American electorate idiots across every radio station. Coupled with the shit that Harris (PM) was talking before the election, I hope he obliterates the multinational segment here. We deserve it and might make a few eyes open to what they've really been doing.

[Kikó]

Crazy that Donald Trump could be labeled a misogynist. One of his best friends is a woman.

[Giggles]

But you report the news as a national broadcaster and you don't get into that about anyone. If you're a proper professional broadcaster of course. But the media here are in FFFG pockets and always will be.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I think it's long since time that Britain, Ireland and all the other European nations stopped obsessing over these freaks, in every dimension - political, cultural, defence, economic - and learned to sort out our own houses.

[Shindig]

We should really look down on the yanks as a plucky former colony. Good for them and their 250 years of history. Good for them and their wood housing.

[niko_cee]

I'm sure I saw something about this (https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/donald-trump-trade-tariffs-britain-us-election-china-eu-b1192915.html) on the BBC earlier but it appears to have been erased from existence. That coming from an East Coast Democrat, you know we're in business. :drool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Trump with his Scottish mother and investments is unquestionably way better news for us than a Dem, who all hate us because they love the IRA. Not sure why people are choosing to think otherwise.

[Giggles]

The Ra are very old news these days, I'd let that one go. The only active terrorists up there now are your lot, though they're weak enough without the state sponsorship these days.

[Kikó]

I think it's long since time that Britain, Ireland and all the other European nations stopped obsessing over these freaks, in every dimension - political, cultural, defence, economic - and learned to sort out our own houses.

Someone said we need to start thinking of them as a rich Latin American country and it makes sense.

[Kikó]

But you report the news as a national broadcaster and you don't get into that about anyone. If you're a proper professional broadcaster of course. But the media here are in FFFG pockets and always will be.

What's FFFG?

[niko_cee]

Old news in the normal world, but not in America, where they all think they're 5th generation Irish Italian from the old country, mainly in the left leaning Eastern Seaboard states. It all rubs off. Back of the line and all that. What an all time line that was.

[Giggles]

What's FFFG?

Fianna Fail and Fine Gael, two opposition parties for decades and now the same side of the same left coin. In a coalition for as long as I can remember.

[Pepe]

Someone said we need to start thinking of them as a rich Latin American country and it makes sense.

How? We still choose communists 50% of the time in Latin America.

[Lewis]

Fianna Fail and Fine Gael, two opposition parties for decades and now the same side of the same left coin. In a coalition for as long as I can remember.

Weren't they originally divided by pro and anti-treaty sentiment? Why are they still separate parties?

[Kikó]

How? We still choose communists 50% of the time in Latin America.

Well it makes more sense than thinking they're like Europeans.