U.S. Presidential Election 2016 (Sponsored by Betty Croker's Hamburger Helper)

[Spikey M]

Had is the key word there. He now has a collapsed Larynx.

[Pepe]

Let's not forget that Stockley walked even though he was caught on video saying "I am going to kill that motherfucker" minutes before killing that motherfucker.

[Lewis]

https://nypost.com/2020/06/02/george-floyd-had-violent-criminal-history-minneapolis-union-chief/

They are absolutely broken.

I've seen a couple of things about how instinctive trade unionism contributes to this stuff, but I didn't think it went beyond the right-wing cranks I read. It's pretty obvious really, like how teaching unions cover their worst members.

Talk about a progressive dilemma. Whew.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/opinion/tom-cotton-protests-military.html

Mate...

[Queenslander]

American Police assualting Australian journos and now grubs on streets of London and Paris doing the same...


https://youtu.be/KkucGK6VY2Y



https://youtu.be/ZEvhwYuRA5g

What the fuck is going fellas?

[Queenslander]

Scummo better sack up and address this mess.

Ill happily get Xi Jinping on the phone to sort this out for us if Scummo wont.


Donald Trump's press secretary says police who attacked Australian journalists 'had right to defend themselves
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/donald-trump-s-press-secretary-says-police-who-attacked-australian-journalists-had-right-to-defend-themselves

[Ian]

Let's not forget that Stockley walked even though he was caught on video saying "I am going to kill that motherfucker" minutes before killing that motherfucker.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04rY0rKJ1YQ

[Kikó]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/opinion/tom-cotton-protests-military.html

mate...

all about balance

[Spikey M]

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Welp.

[Shindig]

What's the implication? Some have their hands out ready to shake, some are clapping. The ones clapping aren't readying themselves for a handshake.

[niko_cee]

He's so racist he won't touch black people.

[Giggles]

What's the implication? Some have their hands out ready to shake, some are clapping. The ones clapping aren't readying themselves for a handshake.

That has to be in in fairness. He couldn't be thick enough to do it for another reason and a camera in his face.

[Ian]

That has to be in in fairness. He couldn't be thick enough to do it for another reason and a camera in his face.

Well, I mean, I'm not saying that video is proof of his racism (it's not as if we need that video for that anyway) but let's not go too far the other way here.

[Don]

I think it's a light-hearted meme, lads.

[phonics]

1268602445124587521

Nailed it.

[Ian]

The Rona is a Democratic hoax. So they can do this but not beat Donald Cunting Trump in an election? Alrigjht then.

[phonics]

Quite, if I was George Soros I would be asking for my money back on this project to take over the world.

[Kikó]

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Man talks a lot of sense.

[Don]

Promised a lot that and really dashed my hopes but the anticipation was superb, all-in-all 5/10 for the ride alone.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I'm right there with him.

[Spikey M]

Don't forget your coat.

[phonics]

People outside after 8PM in New York (the city that never sleeps) now have the same rights as terrorists

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[Lewis]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8390023/Leigh-Francis-issues-emotional-apology-playing-black-people-Bo-Selecta.html

:cab:

[Queenslander]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-8390023/Leigh-Francis-issues-emotional-apology-playing-black-people-Bo-Selecta.html

:cab:

:lol: What a way to make it about himself.

Did you see Jimmy Fallons black face apology?

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/jamie-foxx-defends-jimmy-fallon-over-blackface-snl-sketch/news-story/15ad3ac36b527e9986f52e33b55db032

[Smjffy]

Utter bollocks.

[Lewis]

Bo Selecta got away with it by being mental and going for everyone (plus everyone he impersonated liked it other than Craig David who blamed him for ruining his career), but that Jimmy Fallon one seems a bit suspect even for the time.

[Queenslander]

Absolutely. Fast foward 20 years and SNL hired and then fired Shane Gillis this year because he made fun of Asians on his podcast. What a mad house.

[phonics]

I hate half the movements I agree with because of pointless shit like this.

This is what matters:
https://i.imgur.com/4gImOnY.png

They haven't had a republican in charge since 93. I hardly conclude that blackface from the last time republicans ran the city is the issue.

Fallon has expressed more regret for this than he did for the following a few months before the election:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/kIGcosb22_Y/maxresdefault.jpg

[Queenslander]

Bloody hell I forgot about that what a cretin.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

*Parks & Rec.

[phonics]

Hilarious.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Means a lot coming from a poster with amazing humour.

[phonics]

People are dying and not from your having to listen to your Z tier humour.

[phonics]

They've started arresting the people there to observe the legality of the protests.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZtWw-9XgAEkt72.jpg

White shirt = Area chief, by the way.

This is coming from the very top. If this was Iran or China...

[phonics]

1268712530358292484

The report described this man having 'tripped and fallen over'. The police lie and they lie constantly. I'm not even one of these 'abolish the police' people but holy shit do they never stop providing that argument a platform.

[Queenslander]

It is good to see the Generals come out against military intervention.

[phonics]

There's a bunch of male hookers on Twitter about to out themselves to say they've banged Lindsay Graham.

[Queenslander]

That doesnt seem like a very "woke" thing to do.

Edit: Isnt that out of the Mafia playbook?

[Luca]

1268712530358292484

The report described this man having 'tripped and fallen over'. The police lie and they lie constantly. I'm not even one of these 'abolish the police' people but holy shit do they never stop providing that argument a platform.

Sounds like a union that needs busting.

[Spikey M]

:|

[Shindig]

Absolutely. Fast foward 20 years and SNL hired and then fired Shane Gillis this year because he made fun of Asians on his podcast. What a mad house.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_LeJfn_qW0

[niko_cee]

It is all getting a bit handmaids tale with the US police (at least going off all these twitter vids) and Gilead Life Sciences or whatever they are called and their coronavirus drug aren't helping on that front.

There is something a bit off about that trip video, how do you stumble back that much and fall and make no effort to save yourself? Is that blood coming out of his head as he's laying on the floor? It feels like that video where some idiot is trying to bowl a delivery and his momentum carries him on for miles into a wall or something. Ah yes, cricket bowler fail (https://www.facebook.com/ODDSbible/videos/203504390850297/).

[Kikó]

He's a 75 year old man? They're not always the most graceful.

[Spikey M]

It is all getting a bit handmaids tale with the US police (at least going off all these twitter vids) and Gilead Life Sciences or whatever they are called and their coronavirus drug aren't helping on that front.

There is something a bit off about that trip video, how do you stumble back that much and fall and make no effort to save yourself? Is that blood coming out of his head as he's laying on the floor? It feels like that video where some idiot is trying to bowl a delivery and his momentum carries him on for miles into a wall or something. Ah yes, cricket bowler fail (https://www.facebook.com/ODDSbible/videos/203504390850297/).

He's bleeding out of his ear. He is (was?) Old and unsteady on his feet.

[Manc]

Another one outed.

[Jimmy Floyd]

cf. Paul Alcock

[Queenslander]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_LeJfn_qW0

:lol:

[Queenslander]

Video in link. :D

These Kiwis performed the Haka in front of the US consulate in Auckland to stand in solidarity with the Black Lives Matter movement.

https://www.facebook.com/125982670754724/posts/3458798570806434/

[niko_cee]

He's a 75 year old man? They're not always the most graceful.

Yeah, fair enough. It just looks odd.

The indifference to him lying on the floor with blood pouring out of his head is as bad as the shoving him over. I can't work out if the officer who sort of bends down over him and is then pushed away by another was going to help him or was going to get in his face/shout abuse/do something worse. Probably the latter.

Considering filming everything everyone does is a serious hobby for police forces the world over it's amazing how unaware of the phenomenon they are when they concoct these ridiculous explanations.

[John Arne]

Video in link. :D


https://www.facebook.com/125982670754724/posts/3458798570806434/

At this point, i just find the haka (in any circumstance) a bit cringe, really.

[Shindig]

It's daft and even more so when you see the police trying to prevent people from checking on him.

[Queenslander]

At this point, i just find the haka (in any circumstance) a bit cringe, really.

All Blacks v the Wobblies still gets me going. Im over the boozed Haka at the end of a night though.

[Raoul Duke]

Considering filming everything everyone does is a serious hobby for police forces the world over it's amazing how unaware of the phenomenon they are when they concoct these ridiculous explanations.

Or perhaps it's the fact there are rarely any repercussions, even when caught on camera doing awful shit (unless half the country goes out to protest :sherlock:

Body cameras for them all, get fired if you switch it off/obstruct it and actual consequences for improper action. Doesn't sound that outlandish?

[Ian]

Or perhaps it's the fact there are rarely any repercussions, even when caught on camera doing awful shit (unless half the country goes out to protest :sherlock:

Body cameras for them all, get fired if you switch it off/obstruct it and actual consequences for improper action. Doesn't sound that outlandish?

What, even improper action against minorities or poor people???

[Spikey M]

From PC Brutality to PC SNOWFLAKE!

[Queenslander]

Should be rowdy in Sydney tomorrow as the Supreme Court has ruled in favour of the Police wanting ban the Black Lives Matters protest because of covid concerns.

[Queenslander]

https://i.ibb.co/DpfnXyD/Screenshot-20200605-211523-Reddit.jpg (https://ibb.co/zJVwcYh)

[Ian]

From PC Brutality to PC SNOWFLAKE!

More like PC GONE MAD amirite.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Their army has exactly the same mindset. Maximum gung ho against anyone they can see, at all times.

[Spikey M]

More like PC GONE MAD amirite.

More like PC don't make better jokes than me you slag.

[Shindig]

Should be rowdy in Sydney tomorrow as the Supreme Court has ruled in favour of the Police wanting ban the Black Lives Matters protest because of covid concerns.

Do these people not have internet connections? Make it a zoom meeting or stream it out as a fundraiser. Modern solutions for modern problems.

[Boydy]

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[Queenslander]

Do these people not have internet connections? Make it a zoom meeting or stream it out as a fundraiser. Modern solutions for modern problems.

I agree that they should use technology and postpone any massive gathering untill later but unfortunely our treatment of black fellas is bad and this stuff has been simmering below the surface for the last few years.

I think Melbourne could get nasty as well.

[Spikey M]

Listen lads, BLACK LIVES MATTER and if rioting further spreads a disease that disproportionately affects black people, then that's just the price we must be willing to pay.

Or something.

[Queenslander]

Listen lads, BLACK LIVES MATTER and if rioting further spreads a disease that disproportionately affects black people, then that's just the price we must be willing to pay.

Or something.

This has been brought up a bunch down here.

[Lewis]

I'm all for shoving that old man over. If everyone who approaches you has to be gently shuffled on you're not going to get anything done.

[Spikey M]

This has been brought up a bunch down here.
The mainstream media here don't seem to have made the connection. Although social distancing seems to have been more or less forgotten anyway and Madeleine McCann and the Riots have left Covid 3rd in the queue anyway.

[Kikó]

Of course you're all for it.

[Lewis]

They're not going to be much use if you can just send Larry David in like some confounding war elephant.

[Shindig]

They need to learn how to properly kettle. They leave this huge gap and then wonder why people wander into it.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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Shameful.

[Lofty]

I'm all for shoving that old man over. If everyone who approaches you has to be gently shuffled on you're not going to get anything done.

To be fair he was trying to give them a police helmet back.

[Kikó]

Yeah but Lewis is a suck up to authority.

[Lofty]

Yeah but Lewis is a suck up to authority.

You'd think he would empathise.

[Shindig]

Lewis comes off like a bit of a sociopath at times.

[Ian]

Only when he posts.

[Lewis]

Yeah but Lewis is a suck up to authority.

I don't see how you can get that from everything I post. It's not as though I'm a great lover of all our institutions (police included) and collective national shite.

[Giggles]

Should be rowdy in Sydney tomorrow as the Supreme Court has ruled in favour of the Police wanting ban the Black Lives Matters protest because of covid concerns.

Any sense and that's what should be happening. There was a load of cunts protesting here last weekend and not one of our chicken shit politicians had a thing to say about it.
Luckily the Gardaí are pursuing criminal charges against the organisers which seems to have halted plans for three more of them.

[Spoonsky]

Yeah but Lewis is a suck up to authority.

I think it’s less pro-authority and more anti-black people.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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She apparently also said "Kill the shits" and "Black Nikes matter".

:face:

[Giggles]

Could he not have taken them to the cleaners for that? Well, unless they have a spouse/family conduct thing written into the contract.

[Shindig]

It's described as mutual so he's knackered.

[Giggles]

I mean before they made it mutual, as he’d have been given the road anyway.

Or maybe he wanted out, but I can’t imagine it’s much use to him now.

[Lewis]

They will have paid his contract up.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/476466012024340483/718577084179415260/image0.png

I don't think I'll ever understand Americans and their love for OLD GLORY.

[Lofty]

Trump is a flag shagger.

[Ian]

Yeah, no kneeling. That's only for the necks of black dudes.

[Bernanke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krfcq5pF8u8

13th free on Youtube.

[Lewis]

I love how President Trump almost follows the TTH Style Guide. The day he accuses the Fake News of following a particular NARRATIVE we have lift off.

[Lofty]

Another sane man making a point 1269004501123428352

[Queenslander]

David Pocock is going to be a very important voice down here in the next 10 years.

https://i.ibb.co/cbyV4Sy/Screenshot-20200606-090744-Instagram.jpg (https://ibb.co/mvRgfVR)
roll 6 sided die (https://freeonlinedice.com/)

[Queenslander]

Apparently go bald for black lives matter is a thing?

[Spoonsky]

Another sane man making a point 1269004501123428352

Did someone post here about the guy in Salt Lake who took out a bow and arrow and starting shooting at protesters? The guy got his car flipped almost immediately, then some protesters roughed him up, the police didn't arrest him, and he did an interview with our local news channel the next day. Now he's just been charged with 3 felonies, the stupid idiot.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/06/04/man-who-drew-bow-arrow/

[Bernanke]

1269050348653731840

Killing blacks is good for the stock market guys.

[Pepe]

Or maybe those two things are not related at all. Nah, can't be that. The markets are racist.

[Lewis]

That Mexican weaponising his own racial stereotype is how you do it.

[Smjffy]

Or maybe those two things are not related at all. Nah, can't be that. The markets are racist.

The video Bernake posted made mention to how much private companies actually benefit from prisons being full so there's probably something in it.

Where evil exists, money isn't too far behind after all.

[Queenslander]

Any sense and that's what should be happening. There was a load of cunts protesting here last weekend and not one of our chicken shit politicians had a thing to say about it.
Luckily the Gardaí are pursuing criminal charges against the organisers which seems to have halted plans for three more of them.

Still very much a State by State issue down here but all the Premiers are standing firm and holding the covid line.

[Queenslander]

5000 in Sydney and it is only 1:30

https://www.news.com.au/national/black-lives-matter-protests-australia-this-weekend-thousands-to-join-protests-across-country/live-coverage/18b8ca72a2564f61dc3e930c18e8eacc

[Queenslander]

QLD Premier has told the protesters that she wont stand in the way.


https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/racism-making-indigenous-queenslanders-sick-says-health-body-20200606-p5503k.html


https://i.ibb.co/3BP8RMR/FB-IMG-1591414904435.jpg (https://ibb.co/2gpLZsZ)

Video footage

https://www.facebook.com/abcinbrisbane/videos/1377734065770411/

https://i.ibb.co/RhdnC13/FB-IMG-1591415604767.jpg (https://ibb.co/TKdXHZ4)

Brisbane is fucking chockers! All peaceful no destruction of property, no violence from the Police.

30 000 people so far.

Video footage.

https://www.facebook.com/abcinbrisbane/videos/1377734065770411/

[Kikó]

Or maybe those two things are not related at all. Nah, can't be that. The markets are racist.


It's a pretty crass comparison point which is probably the real point.

[Bernanke]

It's a pretty crass comparison point which is probably the real point.

No, I was definitely implying that the US stock market is positively correlated with the amount of black men killed by cops.

[Kikó]

You're definitely not Fox news who I was shitting on more. Unless you are then :sherlock:

[Spikey M]

More Passive Aggression please lads.

[Giggles]

More Passive Aggression please lads.

Definitely works better when we all just call each other cunts.

[Don]

Was gonna say, we need to show these melts how it's done Giggs.

[Don]

Some fucking disgusting scenes in London today, I see. I can almost hear the sound of racists doubling down on their beliefs, wp.

[Queenslander]

Proud of my wee City.


https://i.ibb.co/4T1wyHc/0412caae-f27d-4d70-9840-a1e697eaf0d1.jpg (https://ibb.co/mqNrs3m)

[Smjffy]

Proud of my wee City.


https://i.ibb.co/4T1wyHc/0412caae-f27d-4d70-9840-a1e697eaf0d1.jpg (https://ibb.co/mqNrs3m)

Not sure how you can be. I understand the BLM movement and in any other time I would agree with it but the fact that blacks and minorities are proven to be more at risk of Covid just makes this seem bonkers. Not only will they potentially kill themselves before seeing any change (unfortunately that still won't happen) but the masses of people in attendance will infect one another thus putting further strain on things when the inevitable happens. So more blacks die, more whites spread it, NHS or equivalent get battered and voila. F00ked. Certainly something to look out for in the next couple of weeks.

Maybe it's different for your country but I can't help thinking every country is going to have the same problem.

[Queenslander]

We have fuck all covid in Queensland.

[Smjffy]

Well that's good. I thought it was NZ that had the good record, not Australia. Still applies to those countries it's still travelling in though.

On topic of Australia....it's quite something that the best thing of 2020 so far was the fires....purely for the human reaction...it all went down hill from there I reckon. What's next is the question. I'm thinking Aliens or Liverpool uniting the country again...and fucking up the league.

[Queenslander]

Well that's good. I thought it was NZ that had the good record, not Australia. Still applies to those countries it's still travelling in though.

On topic of Australia....it's quite something that the best thing of 2020 so far was the fires....purely for the human reaction...it all went down hill from there I reckon. What's next is the question. I'm thinking Aliens or Liverpool uniting the country again...and fucking up the league.

It is State by State. The rest of the Australia has closed borders with Victoria and New South Wales

After Covid Australia will be in a shit trade war with China because the Liberial and the Nationals cant keep their fucking mouths shut.

[Lewis]

The biggest risk to that crowd is a crate of beers.

[Waffdon]

Some fucking disgusting scenes in London today, I see. I can almost hear the sound of racists doubling down on their beliefs, wp.

The video of the copper knocking himself out cold smacking into a traffic light is amazing.

[Don]

https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1269628954312413189?s=20

Middle East was literally leading the way all these years, it turns out.

[Giggles]

The state of the filthy unwashed cunt jumping on it. You’d be doing the planet a favour by opening up on the lot of them with an automatic.

[Yevrah]

And with that they've lost the argument.

Send the riot police in.

[Don]

The 'would you say the same about the Saddam statue topplers?' retort probably doesn't work as well with Giggles.

Edit: Ah we can try it with Yev, though.

[Shindig]

Man, that's a white crowd.

[Yevrah]

I've got a massive hard on for statues, so yes, I would.

In any case, where do you stop? Do we burn Liverpool to the ground?

[Giggles]

The 'would you say the same about the Saddam statue topplers?' retort probably doesn't work as well with Giggles.

Edit: Ah we can try it with Yev, though.

The above was in a civilised country though not some sand riddled shithole. Get the back in their box before the cunts think it’s how things work.

[Don]

We lead the way, always have, always will. You'll be pining after your underage cousin in no time, Giggs :drool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

It is laughable how only the Hollywood glamour of the US civil rights movement - not Hollywood-glamorous for those who live through it, of course, but certainly so from a removed, white-privileged British/European perspective - can trigger these people into doing anything. They couldn't give a shit about 98% of injustice anywhere else in the world.

[Gray Fox]

In any case, where do you stop? Do we burn Liverpool to the ground?

I'd rather we didn't. :uhoh:

[Don]

Serves the Palestinians, Syrians and Rohingya right for not breaking in to Hollywood.

[mugbull]

This Colston sounds like a cunt. It probably goes all the way to Churchill himself, which I would heartily applaud

[Shindig]

He's a philanthropist but he made his money for said philanthropy off the back of slave trading. Given the amount of building and streets named in his honour, he probably bankrolled most of Bristol from it.

[Kikó]

The guy was a slave trader. It really shouldn't be a statue in modern society.

[Kikó]

I've got a massive hard on for statues, so yes, I would.

In any case, where do you stop? Do we burn Liverpool to the ground?

The answer to this is yes.

[Shindig]

I'm all for whatever situation gets a Shola Ameobi on top of Grey's Monument.

[Giggles]

The guy was a slave trader. It really shouldn't be a statue in modern society.

Then go through the channels and have it removed like civilised human beings. Whatever he did, people going down the route of the video above need to be crushed. Half the filthy bastards will brick a window and rob a laptop on the way home.

[Revolution]

I love the energy these kids got. Tear it all down.

[Shindig]

Look on the bright side. The council doesn't have to contract someone out to remove it now.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I don't really mind getting rid of the statue but the glee/revelry with which it is done feels chilling to me and reminiscent of the many times in history when this was done to real humans rather than stone ones.

[Kikó]

I'm sure the statue will move on Jim.

[Lewis]

You presumably wouldn't put a statue of him up today, but it was put there over a century ago, which makes it a local historical curiosity rather than a contemporary political statement. But then that's totalitarianism for you.

[phonics]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZ7B223UMAEJwZS.jpg

lol what an absolute melt.

[Lewis]

He's right. If you actually wanted to understand the legacy of slavery in and across various historical contexts then statues like that are important artefacts.

[Giggles]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZ7B223UMAEJwZS.jpg

lol what an absolute melt.

The only melt there is you.

[mugbull]

He's right. If you actually wanted to understand the legacy of slavery in and across various historical contexts then statues like that are important artefacts.

No one's going to learn an iota about slavery by looking at a marble statue of someone they've never heard of

[Revolution]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZ7B223UMAEJwZS.jpg

lol what an absolute melt.

The fucking state of that tweet lmao

[Lewis]

No one's going to learn an iota about slavery by looking at a marble statue of someone they've never heard of

Then it has no value, so why target it?

[Giggles]

Then it has no value, so why target it?

Likes.

[Waffdon]

Churchill statue next please.

[Spikey M]

I don't really mind getting rid of the statue but the glee/revelry with which it is done feels chilling to me and reminiscent of the many times in history when this was done to real humans rather than stone ones.

It's coming.

[Revolution]

Watching people on here simp over a statue of a racist is fucking hilarious.

[Don]

Phonics to the left me, Lewis to the right, here I am, forever blaming the Jew.

[Spoonsky]

He's right. If you actually wanted to understand the legacy of slavery in and across various historical contexts then statues like that are important artefacts.

Actually agree with you here. It feels dangerously close to trying to erase the memory that slavery happened, while meanwhile the city built by slavery still stands as though the money didn’t come from anywhere. I’ve always thought it’s better when they just install a plaque at the statue saying “Mr. Colston was a slave-trader and massive shit-cunt”

Confederate statues in the South though is a different story.

[phonics]

I've just been made aware of Darren Grimes. Him blaming antifa terrorists for a policeman running into a traffic light is top stuff.

[Shindig]

Actually agree with you here. It feels dangerously close to trying to erase the memory that slavery happened, while meanwhile the city built by slavery still stands as though the money didn’t come from anywhere. I’ve always thought it’s better when they just install a plaque at the statue saying “Mr. Colston was a slave-trader and massive shit-cunt”

The council did literally that. Nowadays, if you want anything like that to survive, you have to bundle it off to the Slavery Museum which, unsurprisingly, is in Liverpool.

[phonics]

Colin Powell turning up on CNN and saying he's voting for Biden because Trump 'lies to the American people' is fucking hilarious.

Like does he think he we don't remember his trip to the UN?

[Lewis]

Actually agree with you here. It feels dangerously close to trying to erase the memory that slavery happened, while meanwhile the city built by slavery still stands as though the money didn’t come from anywhere. I’ve always thought it’s better when they just install a plaque at the statue saying “Mr. Colston was a slave-trader and massive shit-cunt”

Confederate statues in the South though is a different story.

Those are a good example of what I said in the other post. Something like the Robert E. Lee statue in Richmond, and other notables built around the turn of the century when a lot of the veterans were dropping off and interest picked up across the board, are different propositions to the crash-built sixties stuff which had very specific political values. I personally wouldn't remove any of them, since it's all part of it, but I could at least see the case for the latter stuff going.

[Yevrah]

Ultimately they're just statues and removing them is a symbolic gesture at best.

Back to Iraq, how much difference would it have made to the situation there if the statue had been torn down but Saddam stayed in power?

[Waffdon]

There will be riots in London soon enough.

[niko_cee]

Wonder what they're going to do with Blackboy Hill (nowt to do with slavery apparently)? Also, imagine how fucked they'll be if someone discovers Brunel was a massive racist.

[Bob Sacamano]

Maybe Sharia Law isn't such a bad idea

[Kikó]

That's why London and Birmingham have been under it for years.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I got stoned to death just the other day. Wasn't as bad as it sounds, all in all.

[Spoonsky]

Those are a good example of what I said in the other post. Something like the Robert E. Lee statue in Richmond, and other notables built around the turn of the century when a lot of the veterans were dropping off and interest picked up across the board, are different propositions to the crash-built sixties stuff which had very specific political values. I personally wouldn't remove any of them, since it's all part of it, but I could at least see the case for the latter stuff going.

They’re monuments to a defeated enemy combatant of the United States. You could have them gone on that basis alone.

Worse, though, is that they have a still really potent symbolic power in the South where a lot of white supremacy and KKK sentiment hides behind Confederate pride. Whereas I don’t imagine this fella in Bristol was actively stirring up any nostalgic feelings for the days of slave ships. That’s where I would draw the line.

It’s not like the surge of confederate pride at the turn of the century was only caused by Veterans dying :D

[Lewis]

If they were erected within/around living memory then, whatever else went into them, they have a different dimension to things put up a century later, and what people chose to imbue them with now is irrelevant. There are clearly dickheads in Bristol (including the pathetic copper interviewed about it) who felt that that statue had 'potent symbolic power', so your line seems a bit arbitrary. As for depriving enemy combatants of their monuments, where does that leave the indigenous fellas?

[Bob Sacamano]

https://i.ibb.co/34q8kJ0/b5b1deb.jpg (https://ibb.co/GnL1FhV)

:lol:

[Don]

Brb just going to sign up to KKK.

[phonics]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZ8W7wcX0AA5A-T.jpg

PrOtEsTs DoN't WoRk

[Pepe]

Ah yes, pledges. Those mean a lot.

[Pepe]

Change the name, give them new uniforms, and we'll be good to go.

[Luca]

This “aBoLiSh ThE PoLiCe” stuff seems like a load of guff to me, in that every proposal I’ve seen about replacing the institution has nothing in the way of real, practical, researched solutions, and instead advocates for handwavy stuff like “COMMUNITY SUPPORT OFFICERS AND MENTAL HEALTH WORKERS.”

I think policing, especially in the US, requires massive reform. But I don’t think abolishing the institution is the right approach, because the institution is valuable.

Things like making body cameras/recordings mandatory and serving up harsh penalties (e.g., 1 strike and you’re out firings) for instances of tampering are a start; independent ethics boards (and not an internal investigations unit allegiant to the same union) reviewing footage after every loss of life/serious injury. Tangible stuff that forces accountability, similar to how everything that goes on in a airline cockpit is recorded and preserved, and there is an independent investigation unit not tied to the pilot’s union or airlines conducting investigations.

[Don]

Tommy Robinson calling for anti-BLM protesters to meet them next saturday in London. This is what I fucking get up in the mornings for.

https://youtu.be/4REO0pucYY8

If you had to make me choose I'd select Tommy's boys as I love a good underdog but realistically, I'll be a mercenary, highest bid has my services. Defection will obviously also be on the cards if things look bad.

[Lewis]

The supposedly thought-out versions of this I've come across follow that old tried-and-tested Communist Manifesto thinking. It's not just defunding the police lol, it's taking that money and investing it in schools and 'jobs' and trannies and then crime disappears.


When, in the course of development, class distinctions have disappeared, and all production has been concentrated in the hands of a vast association of the whole nation, the public power will lose its political character. Political power, properly so called, is merely the organised power of one class for oppressing another. If the proletariat during its contest with the bourgeoisie is compelled, by the force of circumstances, to organise itself as a class, if, by means of a revolution, it makes itself the ruling class, and, as such, sweeps away by force the old conditions of production, then it will, along with these conditions, have swept away the conditions for the existence of class antagonisms and of classes generally, and will thereby have abolished its own supremacy as a class.

It's a bit of a self-sucking cock, and when it inevitably fails like communism it will turn out not have been real abolition all along.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I don't know too much about Marx the person, did he ever have to actually earn his own living or was some benefactor propping him up to write that naive load of bollocks?

EDIT: Ah, here we go (per wiki):


His main source of income was Engels, whose own source was his wealthy industrialist father.

[Spoonsky]

If they were erected within/around living memory then, whatever else went into them, they have a different dimension to things put up a century later, and what people chose to imbue them with now is irrelevant. There are clearly dickheads in Bristol (including the pathetic copper interviewed about it) who felt that that statue had 'potent symbolic power', so your line seems a bit arbitrary. As for depriving enemy combatants of their monuments, where does that leave the indigenous fellas?

It’s not like confederate symbols were later appropriated by racists. The entire basis of the confederacy was white supremacy. There’s no non-racist version of the confederate flag or confederate statues.

I’d knock the confederate statues down because they’re still a potent rallying symbol for the cause of white supremacy in the south, which is alive and well. I don’t imagine you have similar nutjobs in the UK rallying around this statue in Bristol. That’s the difference to me; and I’d disagree with the protesters in Bristol on that basis.

If you need evidence that confederate statues are potent symbols today, remember that huge neo-Nazi rally in Charlottesville formed in opposition to the removal of a Lee statue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally?wprov=sfti1

[phonics]

This “aBoLiSh ThE PoLiCe” stuff seems like a load of guff to me, in that every proposal I’ve seen about replacing the institution has nothing in the way of real, practical, researched solutions, and instead advocates for handwavy stuff like “COMMUNITY SUPPORT OFFICERS AND MENTAL HEALTH WORKERS.”

I think policing, especially in the US, requires massive reform. But I don’t think abolishing the institution is the right approach, because the institution is valuable.

Things like making body cameras/recordings mandatory and serving up harsh penalties (e.g., 1 strike and you’re out firings) for instances of tampering are a start; independent ethics boards (and not an internal investigations unit allegiant to the same union) reviewing footage after every loss of life/serious injury. Tangible stuff that forces accountability, similar to how everything that goes on in a airline cockpit is recorded and preserved, and there is an independent investigation unit not tied to the pilot’s union or airlines conducting investigations.

Camden New Jersey did it nearly half a decade ago. Crime is down. Protests didn’t get violent. Etc.

Here’s a piece from 2014 on it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/01/nyregion/camden-turns-around-with-new-police-force.html

[John Arne]

Some of the responses in here are bonkers. A minority, who face shit every day because of the colour of their skin, decide to rip down the statue of a infamous slave trader, and some on here feel bad for the statue. Fuck me.
As for learning more about history - we have books and the internet for this, we don't need statues of slave traders, rapists or murderers to remind us. Keep the building, keep text books - but don't keep the fucking statues, it's a insult.

[Spoonsky]

I didn’t realize they threw it into the harbour. :D

[Yevrah]

Some of the responses in here are bonkers. A minority, who face shit every day because of the colour of their skin, decide to rip down the statue of a infamous slave trader, and some on here feel bad for the statue. Fuck me.
As for learning more about history - we have books and the internet for this, we don't need statues of slave traders, rapists or murderers to remind us. Keep the building, keep text books - but don't keep the fucking statues, it's a insult.

It was white people ripping the statue down.

[John Arne]

It was white people ripping the statue down.

White people can be offended by racism, too.
I saw the video, there appeared to by some white hippie front and centre - it doesn't change a thing.

[Spikey M]

The real question that should be asked is why Bristol has devoted half the town to a slave trader and why it hasn't been fixed prior to this point. Sort yourselves out you wet slags.

[Shindig]

"This is an iconic moment for Bristol."

Not much happens in Bristol.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The dickheads from the west coast of the UK built all their ill-gotten wealth on slaves and/or ships, unlike the fine and guilt-free eastern half who built our prestige on screwing over Flemish wool traders, and the Hanseatic League.

We should really build a wall from the Sussex/Hampshire border all the way up to Kendal.

[Spikey M]

Cool. But you don't have fucking statues celebrating it.

[Shindig]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoBwNO0puuU

Priti Patel hates blacks, guys.

[Manc]

Or vandalism. One of the two.

[Giggles]

Doesn’t she just hate everything?

[Waffdon]

She’s a vile cunt. Somehow worse than Hancock and also went in hiding for 6 weeks during the lockdown.

[Kikó]

Priti Patel will always side with the worst people. She's abhorrent.

[Ian]

Helping set immigration laws that would likely not have allowed her own parents into the country was a high point.

[Spikey M]

Can they be backdated?

[Ian]

:D

[Yevrah]

Changed my mind on the statue. If the council are refusing to take it down through their inaction (and say, house it in a museum) then some form of action was needed to force that to happen.

If a statue of Jimmy Savile (who also did loads of great work alongside the obvious) had been erected in more favourable times for him, it would have taken about 5 minutes for a council to get rid of that when the truth about what he was up to became clear.

This isn't any different, and really just sums up how much (little) black lives matter in society.

[phonics]

Also it seems they’ve been debating what plaque to put on the statue for 2 years so all the ‘BuT hOw WiLl ThE cHiLDrEn LeArN’ argument can get fucked.

[Raoul Duke]

Apparently this guy chucked a load of slaves overboard in order to claim on the insurance, so what the fuck a statue was doing up in the first place is a big question

[Giggles]

Also it seems they’ve been debating what plaque to put on the statue for 2 years so all the ‘BuT hOw WiLl ThE cHiLDrEn LeArN’ argument can get fucked.

Stop doing that you imbecile.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Because if people are still arguing now about whether black lives matter then they sure as hell didn't matter in 1895.

Back then I would have thought at least 90% of the population would have been unpalatably racist by today's standards.

[mugbull]

Probably literally everyone bar Bertrand Russell and friends.

As for Lewis’ post last page: why not? It’s a commemoration of a shithead who shouldn’t be commemorated.

[Disco]

Teaching it in schools would be a start, far more effective than whatever was never going to be done with that statue.

[Pepe]

Because if people are still arguing now about whether black lives matter then they sure as hell didn't matter in 1895.

Back then I would have thought at least 90% of the population would have been unpalatably racist by today's standards.

To be fair, by current standards, 90+ % of the current population is considered racist. But yes, I agree.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It should have been taken down ages ago and put in the local museum.

[Disco]

Local government is also universally rubbish, statue moving probably doesn't produce many free lunches or sufficiently massage egos.

[Kikó]

Teaching it in schools would be a start, far more effective than whatever was never going to be done with that statue.

Any teaching of Britain's role in things like Ireland or India would be useful. My memories of history include Ancient Egypt, Tudors, Stewarts, some of WW1 and WW2 and then British development in health in the final 100 years. Nothing memorable on empire.

[Disco]

We did a bit on Ireland troubles-wise and touched on empire and slavery when we did industrial revolution etc but not much.

[Waffdon]

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[Don]

Close it off lads, the internet has peaked :D

Edit: Parklife one below it also.

[Waffdon]

It’s the ‘AYYYY’ that gets me every time :D

[Kikó]

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Brilliant.

[Manc]

Amazing. :D

[Spikey M]

I saw that one earlier. It's good, but it doesn't fit the tune properly. Some should get Tommy boy to do it again.

The X-Factor one is gold.

[Lewis]

It’s not like confederate symbols were later appropriated by racists. The entire basis of the confederacy was white supremacy. There’s no non-racist version of the confederate flag or confederate statues.

I’d knock the confederate statues down because they’re still a potent rallying symbol for the cause of white supremacy in the south, which is alive and well. I don’t imagine you have similar nutjobs in the UK rallying around this statue in Bristol. That’s the difference to me; and I’d disagree with the protesters in Bristol on that basis.

If you need evidence that confederate statues are potent symbols today, remember that huge neo-Nazi rally in Charlottesville formed in opposition to the removal of a Lee statue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally?wprov=sfti1

There appears to be a quite a lot of people who think that the entire basis of the United States was and is white supremacy. How would their arguments differ from yours?

[Shindig]

Any teaching of Britain's role in things like Ireland or India would be useful. My memories of history include Ancient Egypt, Tudors, Stewarts, some of WW1 and WW2 and then British development in health in the final 100 years. Nothing memorable on empire.

Same here. A little bit on the industrial revolution and the peasants revolt and not much else.

[Pepe]

There appears to be a quite a lot of people who think that the entire basis of the United States was and is white supremacy. How would their arguments differ from yours?

Isn't that because of that NY Times project they released?

[Lewis]

That can't have helped.

[Shindig]

Also, Tommy's had his teeth whitened in lockdown. Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon. I still giggle that he commoned his name up.

[Pepe]

That can't have helped.

Apparently it is becoming school curriculum in some places. Sounds a bit crazy to me, but what do I know.

[Spikey M]

Also, Tommy's had his teeth whitened in lockdown. Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon. I still giggle that he commoned his name up.

I remember a rumour going around that Danny Dyers real first name is Giles and I have never been more disappointed to find out that something wasn't true.

[phonics]

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Hilarious.

[Giggles]

All this blackface woe needs to go and lie in its piss. Fucking ridiculous.

[Yevrah]

Come Fly With Me being pulled due to 'times changing' is an absolute joke, it was last aired originally only 9 years ago ffs.

If Jim Davidson had wandered into the BBC proposing some of the stuff in either that or Little Britain he'd have been kicked out on his arse, but presumably the BBC were falling over themselves to get the quota of prime time content made by homosexuals up and were blinded as a result.

[Don]

No great loss but it's retarded and if they come for Ali G I'll fucking commit some atrocities against the Black Lives.

[Yevrah]

I would say Come Fly With Me and Lucas and Walliams generally came from a good place, but in that show they had a character who was the embodiment of the slur Ron Atkinson was sacked for, portrayed by someone who'd blacked up, in 2011.

It's almost a work of genius that they got it on prime time BBC.

[Luca]

Is Tropic Thunder (and, by extension, RD Jr) safe from cancellation?

I think so, because they were satirizing low-budget productions that employ blackface (and specifically addressed it as part of the narrative), but 2020 has been a strange year.

[phonics]

Our BLM protest was today. It was great. I'm editing together footage now, my favourite shot I got so far was this:

https://i.imgur.com/YLyY6Vf.jpg

[Spikey M]

Why do all the foreign protests have English signs?

[phonics]

Why do all the foreign protests have English signs?

37% of the population of Geneva are foreign...

If you add foreigners that have lived here long enough to naturalise, it's 61%...

Our country has 4 official languages not including English...

[niko_cee]

Why do all the foreign protests have English signs?

Because in other languages it's a term of affection, you see . . .

[Spikey M]

It's a good effort lads, but the only answer I'm accepting is 'because America still has the world on strings and the afflicted will emulate them until the end of time'

[Lewis]

That sounds about right, taking your cue from the imperial capital. With that in mind, it's slightly ironic to see people freaking out about this who every other week tend more towards a [pretend] European identity (and who obviously ignored the French police battering protesters every Saturday for months on end).

[phonics]

That sounds about right, taking your cue from the imperial capital. With that in mind, it's slightly ironic to see people freaking out about this who every other week tend more towards a [pretend] European identity (and who obviously ignored the French police battering protesters every Saturday for months on end).

We literally never joined the EU and there are constant protests against police brutality, pro-union marches, pro-rent control, pro-welfare. Stop applying your preconceptions to literally everywhere else on the planet. It's pathetic.

[Don]

This sculpture shit seems to be Europe's answer to creating the problem on their shores, news showed one being taken down in Antwerp and another in Canary Wharf. There's apparently one in Shrewsbury getting bad press too, geezer apparently failed to laugh at a Lenny Henry xmas DVD. Buzzing to see Balotelli lead calls for the Colosseum to be flattened.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/09/derbyshire-towns-bust-of-black-man-seized-by-defiant-locals

:D

[Pepe]

(and who obviously ignored the French police battering protesters every Saturday for months on end).

My wife is still seething over that. The NYT basically called them all scum, while lauding the Hong Kong protesters for their bravery/benevolence/whatever.

[Boydy]

We literally never joined the EU and there are constant protests against police brutality, pro-union marches, pro-rent control, pro-welfare. Stop applying your preconceptions to literally everywhere else on the planet. It's pathetic.
I think he meant people in Britain.

[Spikey M]

One of the slave owners having my surname has knocked me off my high horse somewhat.

One of the chosen few descended from both slaves and slave owners. :moop:

[Lewis]

We literally never joined the EU and there are constant protests against police brutality, pro-union marches, pro-rent control, pro-welfare. Stop applying your preconceptions to literally everywhere else on the planet. It's pathetic.

He was talking about 'foreign protests' and 'the world', much of which - beyond Switzerland - remains in the American cultural orbit. That ties into my second point, which refers more specifically to people in this country. You should read things a couple of times before applying your preconceptions.

[Lewis]

One of the slave owners having my surname has knocked me off my high horse somewhat.

One of the chosen few descended from both slaves and slave owners. :moop:

That one seems particularly stupid when it was outside a museum which tells the story of the docks he developed, presumably including its connections to the unsavoury stuff. Unless it doesn't, in which case it isn't a very good museum.

[Queenslander]

Is Tropic Thunder (and, by extension, RD Jr) safe from cancellation?

I think so, because they were satirizing low-budget productions that employ blackface (and specifically addressed it as part of the narrative), but 2020 has been a strange year.

Yes and so is Always Sunny.

[niko_cee]

https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/wat7a635HiZVYmBA_Uw.RQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTM5Ni41NjI1/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/eO9N70jrMANsbrSX77_Zxg--~B/aD0xMTUyO3c9MjA0ODtzbT0xO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media-mbst-pub-ue1.s3.amazonaws.com/creatr-uploaded-images/2020-06/c129d190-aa8f-11ea-b6fd-6b81c0f1d899

:D

What an image (if it comes out).

[Kikó]

Keeping the distance as well. Quite beautiful.

[Giggles]

They are?

[-james-]

That one seems particularly stupid when it was outside a museum which tells the story of the docks he developed, presumably including its connections to the unsavoury stuff. Unless it doesn't, in which case it isn't a very good museum.

How is the telling of the story diminished by the removal of the statue?

They could have stuck it inside, I suppose, but what's the point?

[Yaysus]

Come Fly With Me being pulled due to 'times changing' is an absolute joke

little britain now as well

[Yevrah]

little britain now as well

Yeah I knew they both had been. Point I was making specifically about Come Fly With Me was that if the content of that show isn't acceptable now, it wasn't a mere 9 years ago either.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I was watching a Mitchell and Webb recently (their sketch show, maybe 10 years old at most) and they do a scene where they both black up to do some kind of historical battle re-enactment. Mid-scene, one of them turns to the other, breaks character and says: 'Isn't this... you know... a bit racist?' followed by a long explanation of why it is very racist, and taking the piss out of the absurdity of historical re-enactments in general.

I thought it was a good and funny sketch which made a good point, but I bet they wouldn't even be allowed to do that now, a mere few years later.

[Don]

Link us, pls.

I saw some left wing feminist comedian who was balls deep into BLM get 'cancelled' for something very similiar, I'd be surprised if even those two don't get pounced on by the rabid dogs.

[John Arne]

Weren't some people offended at Downey Jr. going blackface in Tropic Thunder, even though the whole point was to take the piss out of Hollywood for using black face... (i haven't seen the film, but heard Downey talking about it).

[Don]

Context does not make things right, just as it didn't matter who George Floyd was and what he had done. If you can't see why painting your face isn't the same as taking the life of a man, then you're just as bad as those who comitted these acts.

I need to start tweeting views like that. The likes :drool:

[niko_cee]

Tropic Thunder probably should be expunged from history on the basis of it being truly awful.

[Don]

First they came for Little Britain, and I did not speak out...

[Kikó]

Yeah , I know.

[Lewis]

How is the telling of the story diminished by the removal of the statue?

They could have stuck it inside, I suppose, but what's the point?

He was commemorated as the man behind the development of the docks, so having the statue out the front of the dock museum complex is a good starting point to exploring how all this stuff fitted into society. It's the perfect context for it. It makes it simply an artefact, and no more an endorsement of anything than that T-55 outside the Imperial War Museum North is.

This review into London statues seems to me to be trying to reassure people that it won't be coming for the historically significant tackle (Winston Churchill, Nelson's Column, etc.), but doesn't that just shoot its own argument to bits? If the case for removing monuments is that they exert a malign cultural influence, thereby bolstering all of that bad institutional racism, aren't the high-profile monuments exactly the ones you want to be going for?

[Spikey M]

Twitter has been gunning for Churchill today;

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[Disco]

He also did Gallipoli though so does that even it out?

[Spikey M]

Not forgetting Dresden.

[Disco]

Yeah he bombed a lot of aryans, the best of the white folk.