U.S. Presidential Election 2016 (Sponsored by Betty Croker's Hamburger Helper)

[Pepe]

I'd say Europeans and Latin Americans have more in common with each other than either has with Americans, weird beasts that they are. I have more European friends than American friends, and that is living in the US.

[Giggles]

Weren't they originally divided by pro and anti-treaty sentiment? Why are they still separate parties?

They're basically not separate any more. Could lump Sinn Fein in with them too, all the exact same.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The Ra are very old news these days, I'd let that one go. The only active terrorists up there now are your lot, though they're weak enough without the state sponsorship these days.

All true but the yankees think of Ireland as a theme park.

[niko_cee]

I always find the way the Executive [is that the right term for the 'cabinet'?] in the US is picked to be a bit odd/mad. I can see some sense in it, to the extent that if you are picking from elected officials then their electorates are likely to get a bit overlooked, as perhaps happens in our system, but at least it narrows the pool down to people who are vaguely palatable to the electorate at large, give or take the odd Lord Cameron. They just seem to be able to parachute any old lunatic with scant experience of any form of government into what you would imagine would be fairly important roles.

[Jimmy Floyd]

For a country that was formed on the basis of opposing/breaking away from the King, their presidents basically act like old school monarchs. Appoint favourites to all conceivable positions, have a veto over everything, justice largely into their hands, silly song plays when they enter the room. It's only really the jewellery and hereditary principle they're missing, although the Kennedys and Bushes have had a go at that too.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Oh, and: lol (https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-chagos-islands-uk-british-us-president-mauritius-london/)

Great opportunity for SKS to look pathetic on the world stage once again.

[Lewis]

I was surprised to learn that all of the celebrity appearances charged the Democrats the going rate. Oprah Winfrey trousering a million dollars to interview Harris seems particularly upside down.

[Pepe]

Why would you not? They have a shit ton of money.

[Lewis]

I thought they did it as a form of donating to the campaign (as a tax dodge if nothing else). It never occurred to me that they would have earned anything other than a token fee.

[Jimmy Floyd]

There's a future PhD for somebody in the celebrity endorsements of Kamala Harris.

[niko_cee]

Hasn't Oprah denied that claim?

Although never "paid a personal fee" does sound like weasel-word territory, I'll admit.

[Pepe]

I never thought of if either. It is pretty lol, especially when you see how excited some get about this or that endorsing their candidate or appearing in their rallies.

Oprah must be one of the top five grifters in history.

[Pepe]

I enjoyed hearing about the artists that would seethe when Trump used their music during rallies.

[Lewis]

Wonder what Hulk Hogan charged.

[Magic]

Musk and that weird Indian guy joint-running a government EFFICIENCY program is hilarious.

[Pepe]

The DOGE is guaranteed to bring in the lols. So glad he won.

As for Hogan, it was just WWE Hall of Famers respecting each other.

[Shindig]

Oprah must be one of the top five grifters in history.

I never dug deep enough to find out if she was genuinely going to wind up Trump's running mate in 2000. Jon Bois' 3-parter on the Reform Party is worth the watch for all of that glorious shitshow.

[Magic]

The DOGE is guaranteed to bring in the lols. So glad he won.

As for Hogan, it was just WWE Hall of Famers respecting each other.

I'd be shitting myself if I was a government employee. Massive layoffs ahoy.

[randomlegend]

Trump's cabinet choices are absolutely insane. Fucking Matt Gaetz as attorney general.

[Lewis]

Is he the first homosexual to hold the role? Another landmark Trump achievement to be celebrated.

[niko_cee]

Former GOP Representative Joe Walsh of Illinois told The Independent that “no one should be surprised” by Gaetz’s nomination.

“F*** ‘em,” Walsh said. “This is what America voted for.”

Ray Patterson vibes.

[Lofty]

Is he the first homosexual to hold the role? Another landmark Trump achievement to be celebrated.

Definitely the first to be appointed to AG whilst being investigated for his crimes.

[Bernanke]

Gaetz a homosexual? Wasn't he banging little girls?

[Shindig]

Hey, I've got no evidence or anything but ... can we charge Trump with Epstein's murder?

[Jimmy Floyd]

The press release that refers to 'the Great Elon Musk' cutting government waste is brilliant. Huge amount for politicians to learn from this. Trump makes all his supporters feel so good. If you want to win support for your positions you need to make people feel good too, not call them 'deplorable'.

[Lofty]

The best bit is the department of efficiency having 2 co directors.

[phonics]

The press release that refers to 'the Great Elon Musk' cutting government waste is brilliant. Huge amount for politicians to learn from this. Trump makes all his supporters feel so good. If you want to win support for your positions you need to make people feel good too, not call them 'deplorable'.

Trump on Elon to House Republicans today: "Elon won’t go home,” Trump joked to the House Republicans conference. “I can’t get rid of him (https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/elon-musk-kai-trump-golf-photo-b2645346.html), at least until I don’t like him.”

[Jimmy Floyd]

The Trump/Elon falling out will be a hilarious piece of theatre and I for one can't wait. Neither of them will be damaged by it either.

[Magic]

He's picked Linda McMahon as education secretary. :D

[Spikey M]

As in Resslin Linda Mcmahon?

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

As in Resslin Linda Mcmahon?
Yep...

[Magic]

Yes. And some TV Doctor to run Medicare/aid.

[Shindig]

He really does have his favourites. She had something to do with his last government.

[Spikey M]

America is basically just a Reality TV show.

[niko_cee]

Should have given Vince Secretary of State.

[Spikey M]

Domestic Abuse Champion

[Ben]

Says it all about Trump that Linda finally gets the job she always wanted after Vince got outed for being a deviant.

[Yevrah]

None of these appointments could ever be as lol as him landing the Whitehouse in the first place (let alone again), but the if the left are gonna far left we are where we are.

As far as I can see he won because of:

1. The economy
2. illegal immigration
3. Woke nonsense

Probably in that order. And again, as far as I can see, the left's take on these things were:

1. GDP is great, just look at that graph and shut up about the actual cost of living.
2. It's fine, stop being racist.
3. Get with the programme.

Which actually means he (an idiot, racist, Nazi etc.) genuinely had a better proposition than the Democrats. Just let that sink in.

[randomlegend]

He had a better proposition to the racist, misogynist, gun-toting, "Christian" fundamentalist lunatics, yes.

It's not as simple as "just appeal to them bro" when they've been so emboldened in views which are fundamentally at odds with the "other side".

[Jimmy Floyd]

That's their problem, not the electorate's.

[niko_cee]

Don't be a stupid racist [mate], vote for Michelle 2028.

Can't fail.

There isn't really a left of mainstream US politics, is there? And they're all bloody christians.

Trump's sell was better, I doubt his "proposition" will turn out to be if enacted, although it will massively benefit some.

He's such a one off I'm not sure it's really worth all the navel-gazing after the fact analysis trying to rationalise why he won.

[Yevrah]

He had a better proposition to the racist, misogynist, gun-toting, "Christian" fundamentalist lunatics, yes.


If those were the only demographic that voted for him then he wouldn't have won, let alone won the popular vote on top. Honestly, if you, or (more importantly) anyone who is in a position to influence getting the democrats back in power next time genuinely believes that he just appealed to the racists then you're living in cloud cuckoo land and it's Groundhog Day again.




It's not as simple as "just appeal to them bro" when they've been so emboldened in views which are fundamentally at odds with the "other side".

It really is as simple as that if you want to win. Now that doesn't mean you need to parrot what Trump was saying, but you need a damn sight more than writing over half the country off as an 'ist' and that dogshit three point response above. (If they had more than that then please enlighten me).

[Jimmy Floyd]

Trump is complete shit as a presidential candidate but he managed to win twice because he is clearly on the side of the majority of Americans, or comes across as being so. Kamala was for minorities first. So was Hillary. Biden won his election by being much closer to Trump in those terms and superior to him in every other respect.

If you put Trump up against Bill Clinton he'd get destroyed but the Dems (much like many centre-left parties across the west) are incapable of conceiving that kind of candidate any longer - Biden was an anomalous throwback - because they think their role in life is to push minority interests. If they can turn that around - and push the Republicans back towards their 1990-2016 ground of appearing to be the party of a rich minority again - then they will win again. Walz was a terrific VP candidate by the way but as in 1988, having a great VP candidate isn't enough.

It does mean an active termination of the woke agenda however, which will be really hard for some people.

[Yevrah]

The racist/sexist take is so monumentally stupid it actually angers me. Not because I care that much about what happens in the US, but exactly the same thing has been happening here since Brexit and it is an almost guaranteed route to failure. As an example, we had the most incompetent and corrupt government in living memory and against that backdrop Labour's majority was pathetic. if our electoral system wasn't so utterly impenetrable we'd be going the same way most other first World countries are in rejecting this nonsense (a good thing), but replacing it with people further right than I'd ever be comfortable with (a bad thing).

[Shindig]

I'm still speechless over the online pearl clutching and virtue signalling. If Kamala won, you wouldn't get that kind of shit from the right. You might get madder conspiracies but they wouldn't be crying in their car on camera.

[Yevrah]

This really should be preserved forever:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDvUe8fIuNs

[niko_cee]

:D

Can't believe that didn't swing it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it, pt. 4,132


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VUNFI_rZ2g

[randomlegend]

I'm still speechless over the online pearl clutching and virtue signalling. If Kamala won, you wouldn't get that kind of shit from the right. You might get madder conspiracies but they wouldn't be crying in their car on camera.

They are however crying because they've just realised that Obamacare and the "Affordable Care Act" are the same thing and they will no longer be able to afford their medical treatment.

Fucking lol.

[Lewis]

I had forgotten how good Linda McMahon waking up at Wrestlemania and booting Vince in the swingers was. They really could get any old shit over at that point. I think she also took the worst Stunner of all time.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

I had forgotten how good Linda McMahon waking up at Wrestlemania and booting Vince in the swingers was. They really could get any old shit over at that point. I think she also took the worst Stunner of all time.

Wasn't worse than the last Vince one at Mania 38(?)

That was really tragic.

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:lol:

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Trump also had a shitter:

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[Pepe]

That Vince one. :D

[Yevrah]

The Trump one looks like it was fucked up and may have actually hurt.

[niko_cee]

Matt Gaetz has got a bit of Conway Twitty about him.

[niko_cee]

There's obviously a degree of states versus federal in a lot of this, but the numbers coming out from the DOGE Bros seem completely mad.


Almost half a million people were employed in the Department of Veterans Affairs, while the Department of Education had just over 4,000. The Treasury Department had more than 100,000 employees as of March. The overwhelming majority of those — about 94,000 — were employed in the Internal Revenue Service.

How does the Department of Veterans Affairs, whatever the fuck that does, have 5 times as many employees as the IRS and over a hundred times as many as the Department of Education? That must be a typo or something, right?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Wikipedia says 412,000 people employed by it. Sounds like basically the NHS and DWP rolled into one but only for veterans.

[niko_cee]

That, alongside the fact that half of their discretionary federal spending goes on DEFENCE makes me think the DOGE Bros are probably somewhat doomed to fail in this endeavour.

As is the fate of all civil service reformers.

[phonics]

Can you really not work out the answer for why the department of veteran affairs has the funding for more people than the people who collect taxes?

People pay a lot of money to make sure the people who collect taxes can’t collect them. I can’t find the article anymore but basically you’re way more likely to get audited dodging a couple of grand in taxes earning 50k then you are dodging a couple hundred thousand earning several million because they’re purposely understaffed to be able to chase such cases.

[phonics]

That, alongside the fact that half of their discretionary federal spending goes on DEFENCE makes me think the DOGE Bros are probably somewhat doomed to fail in this endeavour.

As is the fate of all civil service reformers.

The pentagon has just failed its 7th audit in a row because they are unable to account for the where the majority of the 825 billion dollars they receive a year has gone.

[Shindig]

In the defence of the Veteran crew, they did just have two long-running wars. That'll create a lot of ... erm ... admin. Although everybody should pay tax. Yeah, not sure where I was going with this. Carry on.

[phonics]

Gaetz has had to pull out because he’s such an asshole to even the people that are ‘on his side’ so to speak that they can’t find enough people to overlook how much he loves paying underage hookers.

A sad day for the country but a non zero chance they put Epstein’s lawyer, Alan Dershowitz, in will rally the base. Now that’s a paedophile you can respect.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Pardon for Hunter Biden, lol.

[Spikey M]

Glad it's not both sides, eh? :happycry:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Talk about abandoning the moral high ground.

[niko_cee]

Seal team 6 are on their way to Mar-a-lago.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

The sweeping pardon covers any potential federal crimes that 54-year-old Hunter may have committed over the course of a decade.

Fucking hell.

Sleepy Joe made sure the crackhead can't be touched.

[Spikey M]

The American system is fucking mental all round.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Gerald Ford pardoning Dick Nixon remains the gold standard.

Systems with a non-executive head of state are so much better. Biden pardoning his son really isn't far off Henry VIII style behaviour.

[Lewis]

The funny bit is the White House press woman having to defend it by writing a perfect script for Trump to pardon whoever he wants with.

[Yevrah]

Campaigning on a moral superiority ticket and then doing this on your way out is absolutely priceless.

If I could be arsed I'd drag up all the posts in this thread that defended letting a dementia victim run for a second term for so long. What could go wrong? They said.

[phonics]

Gerald Ford pardoning Dick Nixon remains the gold standard.

Systems with a non-executive head of state are so much better. Biden pardoning his son really isn't far off Henry VIII style behaviour.

Jimmy Carters pardons are Hall of Fame level stuff.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GdwiZ05XEAAmSbI.jpg

[randomlegend]

Campaigning on a moral superiority ticket and then doing this on your way out is absolutely priceless.

The American people made it abundantly clear at the polling booth they couldn't care less about things like criminal behaviour, so fuck'em.


If I could be arsed I'd drag up all the posts in this thread that defended letting a dementia victim run for a second term for so long. What could go wrong? They said.

A dementia victim got in for a second term mate.

[randomlegend]

https://www.thedrive.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/24/cybertruck-precision-build-quality.jpg

Just come across this leaked Musk email and I'm going back on my previous noncommittal position and saying he is in fact a genuine fucking moron :D

[John Arne]

That is genuinely deranged. A micron is like 1/1000th of a millimeter. I've seen doors on those trucks with a 5cm gap.

Less worrying about microns, and more worrying about headlights being made completely useless whenever it snows.

https://gizmodo.com/cybertruck-owner-complains-about-snow-blocking-his-headlights-2000532884

[hfswjyr]

Just for context, that microns email came out in a few years ago now.
It doesn't take too much investigative journalism to see the engineers have just ignored him completely and carried on.

[Jimmy Floyd]

If a micron is 1/1000th of a millimeter then isn't third decimal place for 10 microns correct? Or is it just the general absurdity of the CEO issuing such dictats which is being laughed at?

The tolerances in our stuff can be down to 0.05 of a millimetre at times so it doesn't surprise me that the megabus would have similar drawings.

[Giggles]

That doesn't fit in with RL still being absolutely fucking raging though.

[-james-]

This just in, Americans are heckin stupidos and Elon Musk and Donald Trump are epic retards. More as RL gets it.

[Shindig]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj30er1d6mxo


Trump said he thinks "somebody has to find out" if there is a link between autism and childhood vaccines - an idea that has been ruled out by multiple studies around the world. Trump suggested his nominee for health secretary, vaccine sceptic Robert F Kennedy Jr, would look into the matter

Fuck off. That theory should never have gained traction. The fact it's still rearing it's head 20 years down the line is shit.

[niko_cee]

when asked to make a guarantee, he added: "Well, I commit. I mean... things change"


he said: "I can't guarantee anything. I can't guarantee tomorrow"

Prepare to have your expectations managed.

[randomlegend]

America trying to bring back polio.

[niko_cee]

Make polio great again.

[Bernanke]

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[Spikey M]

What time is the Inauguration today? I doubt they'll let another assassination attempt through, but I'm hoping for some more blue haired screeching atleast.

[Magic]

Have you seen the first executive orders?

It won't be long before the real ruling class in this country follow suit. Absolutely dreading it.

[Spikey M]

I haven't, but regardless of whatever dystopia we have in our future, we can only attempt to enjoy the shambles along the way. 'S go.

[Magic]

Specifically related to working, the narrative is being prepared over here too, with that retail pie going after remote workers.

Strap in, bois. They're coming for your mental health advisors next.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Most of it is good news to be honest. We in the west need booting out of our comfort zone.

[Giggles]

Big time. I'm really hoping he absolutely annaihilates here as regards US multinationals to wake people up.

[Spikey M]

I highly doubt he'll do much. He's all mouth, same as he was last time.

[Magic]

Most of it is good news to be honest. We in the west need booting out of our comfort zone.

How could you be in favour of this? They'll come for you, you know this.

[Ben]

He's going to release the JFK files though. And we all know it wasn't just Oswald who did it.

[Spikey M]

Who is they and what exactly are you worried about them coming for? All I've seen is that he wants to end EDI and deport illegals.

[Magic]

Who is they and what exactly are you worried about them coming for? All I've seen is that he wants to end EDI and deport illegals.

They want to take us back to the Victorian times. Increase the power balance. Destroy progression and humanity.

Absolute elitism.

This will be 4 years of whatever they can get away with. Do you want to live in a world like this? A nasty, spiteful world where everyone is your enemy?

[Spikey M]

They want to take us back to the Victorian times. Increase the power balance. Destroy progression and humanity.

Absolute elitism.

This will be 4 years of whatever they can get away with. Do you want to live in a world like this? A nasty, spiteful world where everyone is your enemy?

What exactly has been said that makes you think that though?

And no, I wouldn't, but we largely already do.

[Pepe]

When do you dye your hair blue Magic?

[Magic]

What exactly has been said that makes you think that though?

And no, I wouldn't, but we largely already do.

Are you joking?

[Magic]

When do you dye your hair blue Magic?

I'm booked in for just after the sex change.

[Spikey M]

Nope. Legit question and legit feeling.

[Pepe]

I'm booked in for just after the sex change.

I bet DS would be all over that.

[Magic]

I bet DS would be all over that.

He's performing the surgery.

[Magic]

Nope. Legit question and legit feeling.

Ok, well the deregulation for a start. All to make rich people even richer and further exploit everyone else.

With this, comes poverty. And everyone is a cunt when they're poor.

[Pepe]

Doom and gloom Americans are already insufferable, but people living elsewhere? That is just the most perennially online shit out there.

[Spikey M]

Yeah, I'm not sure how that's coming for Jimmy any more than it already is. Inequality has been increasing for decades. I'm not sure we can lay this particular hot potato at Trumps door.

[niko_cee]

He's not the disease, but you can argue he's very significant symptom, and sure as shit isn't the cure.

[Magic]

Yeah, I'm not sure how that's coming for Jimmy any more than it already is. Inequality has been increasing for decades. I'm not sure we can lay this particular hot potato at Trumps door.

He's enabling it. It isn't uncomfortable to be a cunt anymore and we've seen historically what doors that opens.

Good luck everyone.

[Jimmy Floyd]

You need to stop downing the Caledonian kool aid. Real world is the Chinese swamping everyone with cheap manufacturing and establishing massive trade surpluses to have us all by the short and curlies in perpetuity. If we're to avoid this sort of thing we will need to wave goodbye to all the self-indulgent bullshit of the first twenty years of the century, and return to being leaner and meaner. That is, if we want to afford to be able to do any of the stuff you want - paying for lavish public services and being nice to each other.

[Magic]

Remind me again who has all the money?

[Spikey M]

I don't think even the elites know what the future looks like. AI and globalism are the future and I imagine the next 100 years will see the world looking as unfamiliar to us as today's would to someone in 1925. Be that for better, for worse or somewhere in the middle. It's happening folks.

[niko_cee]

In terms of wealth distribution things are heading back towards what they were in 1925, so maybe the world wouldn't look so different to Lady Astor 150 years later.

[Magic]

I don't think even the elites know what the future looks like. AI and globalism are the future and I imagine the next 100 years will see the world looking as unfamiliar to us as today's would to someone in 1925. Be that for better, for worse or somewhere in the middle. It's happening folks.

I think they do. They've got even more of the global wealth. Quite simple.

[Lofty]

Watching Civil War as a warm up for the hysteria.

[niko_cee]

I'm going to see Stewart Lee in Dorking tonight. I'm hoping for some sort of total breakdown.

[Spikey M]

I think they do. They've got even more of the global wealth. Quite simple.

Stop being so pessimistic. AI might take all the money for its self and be walking us on leads within a decade. Equality for all mankind.

[Spikey M]

I'm going to see Stewart Lee in Dorking tonight. I'm hoping for some sort of total breakdown.

Call him an Eskimo cunt for us.

[Magic]

Stop being so pessimistic. AI might take all the money for its self and be walking us on leads within a decade. Equality for all mankind.

Fine. I'd rather serve Cyberdyne Systems (fully controlled and ran by AI) than some rich, white land-owning elitist cunt.

[Boydy]

Big time. I'm really hoping he absolutely annaihilates here as regards US multinationals to wake people up.

What do you mean by this? Like the US multinationals stop having offices in Ireland? Wouldn't that completely fuck the economy?

[niko_cee]

I think that is what he is saying, yes.

[Spikey M]

Wanting to deport jobs is a new one.

Comin' over 'ere, givin' us employment opportunities.

[niko_cee]

Probably more coming over here and driving up the price of everything whilst feathering the nests of a small elite and dodging taxes on an industrial scale. It's what happens when you are a tax haven. It's not great but is probably on balance better than not being one, although the significant impact on 'normal people' is usually overlooked.

[Spikey M]

A quick Google has their inflation at less than half of ours. Plus, they're actually reducing their national debt.

[Giggles]

What do you mean by this? Like the US multinationals stop having offices in Ireland? Wouldn't that completely fuck the economy?

Yep exactly. But only lean times are going to see how absolutely incompetent the status quo is, there's too many people far too comfortable to care about the bigger picture.

[Boydy]

I don't think it's great to rely so heavily on US investment but I think you're insane for wanting the sort of recession/depression that would bring.

Haven't they set up a sovereign wealth fund from the Apple tax windfall the EU made them accept? Isn't that good?

[Giggles]

I don't think it's great to rely so heavily on US investment but I think you're insane for wanting the sort of recession/depression that would bring.

Haven't they set up a sovereign wealth fund from the Apple tax windfall the EU made them accept? Isn't that good?

Look up things like the new childrens hospital or Dublin metro and see what this lot will do with any windfall. Not to mention what is being squandered on immigration.

[Spikey M]

I love Inauguration days. The people that attend them - and get interviewed in the street - are the American version of the weirdo's that line the street to see the Queen King drive past in a car. They're always mentaly deficient with not even a tiny grasp on reality.

[niko_cee]

Feels like the idea of a 'pre-emptive pardon' is a bit of a jumping of the shark moment for American democracy. What the fuck is that?

Bit like how it is apparently completely ok for the President to bowl in on day 1 and go yeah, we're not going to do that concerning laws passed by congress on a bi-partisan [or to be honest any] basis. I thought the yanks couldn't get enough of the separation of powers and now, as Jimmy has previously pointed out, they basically have an old-fashioned king.

[Pepe]

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:cool:

[Ben]

Politics used to be nuanced.

[John Arne]

Melania dressing for a funeral at the inauguration :)

Also, cracking decision on the hat...

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[Lofty]

Lists all presidents present, pauses, 'Vice President Harris' :D

[Spikey M]

He is the master.

[Lofty]

Drill baby drill :D

[randomlegend]

Anyone taken in by this crap is a dribbling moron.

[Giggles]

Anyone taken in by this crap is a dribbling moron.

Mind those tears don't rust your nose ring.

[randomlegend]

As I say.

[Pepe]

Melania "Melania" Trump looks good. Hat and everything.

[Pepe]

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/01/21/fashion/21UNBUTTONED3-WEB/21UNBUTTONED3-WEB-articleLarge.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale

Now that is a lolworthy outfit.

[Manc]

Anyone taken in by this crap is a dribbling moron.

Equally, people who are offended by Trump are duller than dishwater.

[randomlegend]

People who aren't offended by Trump are frankly pathetic.

[Spikey M]

Oh, are we doing this again?

[Magic]

I hate that I really enjoy watching little clips of him being an absolute cunt, or sarcastic or those faces. Maximum entertainment value, to be fair.

[Spikey M]

Exactly. If we're going to watch the world burn it may as well be funny.

[Magic]

Exactly. If we're going to watch the world burn it may as well be funny.

Unfortunately he has the least funny people in the world behind him so this is probably just going to be a nasty shit fest.

[randomlegend]

He's about as funny as the child abuse he's almost certainly guilty of.

[Spikey M]

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Errrm???

[randomlegend]

Yeah but it's all just funny lolz though.

[Magic]

Lol I was just about to post that. Told you.

[niko_cee]

Would it not have been too tier banter for Biden to pardon Trump on his way out?

[Dquincy]

Specifically related to working, the narrative is being prepared over here too, with that retail pie going after remote workers.

Strap in, bois. They're coming for your mental health advisors next.

Didn't have Magic turning into a melt on my 2025 bingo, but here we are.

[Dquincy]

People who aren't offended by Trump are frankly pathetic.

And you're a fucking wet blanket too. Get a grip.

[randomlegend]

Nah I'm tired of this shit.

It's not funny. He's an odious, lying, cheating, criminal, serial sex offender and he's been made the most powerful man in the world (again). He's got a maniac oligarch up on stage with him throwing Nazi salutes. There is no grip to be got. If you aren't disgusted by him you're either an equally rancid individual or just a pathetic little bitch.

[Dquincy]

Haha. Enjoyed that, thank you.

I think the world needs people like him (note: I said "like him", not necessarily him) in power. There are many people pleasers in power these days with their disingenuous populism politics. I think it's to the detriment of society. You cannot please everyone, and I dare say the 'right' side of politics is more aware of this.

[randomlegend]

Yeah we need more rapists in power, you're right.

[Dquincy]

I think it's important to understand the distinction between civil and criminal procedure. What you're referring to I believe was a civil case.

[phonics]

Elon doing Sieg Heils. Very cool.

[Spikey M]

He's almost certainly trolling, but it's mental in several ways, both personally and politically. He also did it like a mong. Why can't he move like a normal person?

[randomlegend]

I think it's important to understand the distinction between civil and criminal procedure. What you're referring to I believe was a civil case.

He lost a federal defamation against her brought on the grounds she called him a rapist. I.e. in federal court it was deemed that calling him a rapist is accurate.

[Boydy]

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[Yevrah]

Frat-boy tastic.

[Magic]

They're all going to eat each other aren't they?

I see that Ramsway dweeb or whatever he's called has been FIRED for not going in to the office 5 days a week.

[Lewis]

I would love to read an interview with whoever Facebook has been paying to do his makeover.

[niko_cee]

There are many people pleasers in power these days with their disingenuous populism politics.

Haha. Enjoyed that, thank you.

[Magic]

BBC:

Several users on X, the social medial platform he owns, have likened the gesture to a Nazi salute.

:harold:

[Yevrah]

What was the massive sperg actually trying to do? I assume not a Nazi salute as the clips wouldn't have been silent if so.

[niko_cee]

Doesn't he often try to do some Usain Bolt style space arrow hand thing?

[Spikey M]

"Throw out love to the crowd", apparently. Which might be more cringe than doing a Nazi salute.

[Yevrah]

I am fascinated to see how his involvement plays out. Falling out with Trump odds on obviously, but very curious to see what he does up to then if that does happen.

[phonics]

Haha. Enjoyed that, thank you.

Just FYI Jimmy, you can bang on about how there's these issues that people are reacting to and not realise that there's a huge swathe of the dumbest motherfuckers you'll ever meet who are able to repeat things they've read enough times that are also allowed to vote and they make up a massive portion of the population.

[Giggles]

Have any of these purple haired pearl clutching mongs ever seen an actual nazi salute?

[phonics]

Are you saying that you’re an expert on nazi salutes. Watched a lot of them? Maybe in some speeches where the guy made some sensible points?

[Jimmy Floyd]

No one remotely like the Nazis currently walks planet earth, dodgy salutes by autists or otherwise. It seems a strange thing to say, but sometimes I think people have no idea how bad the Nazis actually were.

[phonics]

You are massively unaware of swathes of people. You live in a fantasy world hence why I mentioned that Quincy post.

There are thousands of people in this country alone with swastika tattoos. Do you think they don’t quite understand?

[phonics]

Jim I legit feel for you. You grew up in a conservative world where you think that it’s about the individual and their beliefs. It’s not. There are huge parts of the populations that hate. I’ve been there. I’ve been advised to act differently accordingly. Yougov does not matter. A massive proportion of the population are 1) dumb 2) evil and those populations do not have to have a crossover

[Boydy]

He's a white South African, of course it's a fucking Nazi salute.

[Lewis]

Jim I legit feel for you. You grew up in a conservative world where you think that it’s about the individual and their beliefs. It’s not. There are huge parts of the populations that hate. I’ve been there. I’ve been advised to act differently accordingly. Yougov does not matter. A massive proportion of the population are 1) dumb 2) evil and those populations do not have to have a crossover


He's a white South African, of course it's a fucking Nazi salute.

Get a load of this racist Jim.

[phonics]

He’s white so it would be xenophobic you absolute racist retard.

[Lewis]

I wonder what colour his 'White South African' passport is. But yeah anyway tell us more about the dumbest motherfuckers you'll ever meet who are able to repeat things they've read enough times that are also allowed to vote.

[phonics]

They’d soon grow bored and start to hoot and holler over your posts from your over inflated and pathetic sense of self Importance and intelligence. You’re just another inbred failure from Hull. Enjoy your life you total dirtbag.

[phonics]

I quite literally said they don’t have to crossover. I have a lot of hate. I don’t believe in a swathe of the population. I believe in making it better for all no matter that.

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Post deleted the moment I replied.

[Lewis]

They’d soon grow bored and start to hoot and holler over your posts from your over inflated and pathetic self of self Importance and intelligence. You’re just another inbred failure from Hull. Enjoy your life you total dirtbag.

You are a private school ponce whose biggest achievement was stopping being a junkie. 'I've been there'. You have no idea about anything beyond seething at anyone disagreeing with you you fanny. :harold:

[phonics]

Is anything more telling than your only retort is to call me gay? You’re such an awful human being.

Surely every position I’ve ever held would be anti ‘private school ponce’ whereas every position you’ve had is ‘wife beater racist’. I’d tell you to suck my dick but that would scare you more than Drake moving in next door.

[Kikó]

Maybe this is what kills the board.

[Giggles]

This election has really hit them hard. More than I could ever have even hoped for really.

[Jimmy Floyd]

You can have as many swastika tattoos and do as many camp salutes as you like, until the first extermination camps open their doors (DeathX, if Musk's involved) then I'm not interested.

Pity that promulgation of the master race wasn't such an election issue, maybe Kamala could have moved a few more votes among the non-evil of Ohio.

[Lofty]

What's the opposite of a swastika tattoo? A pokemon tattoo?

[Spikey M]

Nah, most Pokemon fans are apolitical (paedophiles).

It's tempting to say Phonics is the opposite, until you realise it's all words. He shares many of their traits. Hate, unshakable conviction that he is right on every topic, etc.

Baz is probably the opposite of a Nazi. Permanently not arsed about anything :cool:

[Ben]

Well I must say I enjoyed catching up on this thread over morning coffee. A good bit of needle is always underrated.

[Kikó]

Amazing how fash this place is these days.

[Giggles]

Amazing how fash this place is these days.

Point out what's racist or facist in anything Trump signed off on yesterday.

[Magic]

The main issue with this is it's allowing and encouraging people to unmask. And now we see how horrible people really are.

[Kikó]

Point out what's racist or facist in anything Trump signed off on yesterday.

No. I don't need to judge Trump on what he did or didn't do yesterday.

[Spikey M]

I would say the main issue is that people have been silenced for the last 15 years. This is what happens when you don't allow free and open discussion, hatred festers and grows. It always comes out in the end and it's far worse when it does.

[Yevrah]

The main issue with this is it's allowing and encouraging people to unmask. And now we see how horrible people really are.

As if the left haven't created an environment full of hideous people shrieking every 5 minutes that somebody should be cancelled.

Everyone is awful.. Realise that and things will be a lot easier to deal with.

[Kikó]

It's all the lefts fault we have to be racist.

[Spikey M]

It's all the lefts fault we have to be racist.

No, it's the lefts fault racist ideas haven't been allowed to be expressed so that they can be dealt with. Extremism breeds where hatred is forced underground. It's how Isis were born (shadowy deep/dark web forums), it's how the Nazi's were born (beer halls), and now it's how you get this current mess.

Kier Starmer is currently doing the same here and it will end badly. I don't know how many times the mistake needs to be repeated.

[Manc]

Jesus wept. A few of you need an extended break from the Internet. Go outside. Exercise. Meet with some friends.

[Giggles]

There's little point in the centre trying to reason with the extreme left. They live in a complete bubble that's a million miles away from reality.

[Kikó]

Giggles is the centre 🥲

[Giggles]

Giggles is the centre 沈

99% of everyone you lot shirek far right at are the actual centre.

[Spikey M]

You were calling for asylum seekers to be burned to death a few months ago Giggs. I may not agree with Kiko on much here, but you certainly aren't the centre.

[Giggles]

I'd still light that fire, but it's the ones that enable the immigration scam would be going on it.

[Spikey M]

You do you, just understand that that is indeed a far right opinion.

[Giggles]

You do you, just understand that that is indeed a far right opinion.

I hope you mean the buring thing as opposed to mass immigration being an absolute disaster thing.

[Revolution]

Wonder what Harold is up to these days. He'd by quite moderate now looking back few pages on this thread.

[Spikey M]

The burning people part, yes. You can oppose mass migration from the centre right, just put the matches down.

[randomlegend]

The burning people part, yes. You can oppose mass migration from the centre right, just put the matches down.

Nose rings blue hair screeching lololololil

[Spikey M]

Nose rings blue hair screeching lololololil

I'm not even anti-migration, so I'm not sure what you're going for there.

[Ben]

Wonder what Harold is up to these days. He'd by quite moderate now looking back few pages on this thread.

He would be back already if Kiko wasn't so touchy. Came back for a bit last year but got swiftly banned again.

[randomlegend]

I'm not even anti-migration, so I'm not sure what you're going for there.

I was just helping Giggles with his next post mate. Need to keep up the good fight against these EXTREME LEFT positions like...checks notes...it's wrong to set immigrants on fire.

[niko_cee]

:D

Some top quality stuff in here this morning.


No, it's the lefts fault racist ideas haven't been allowed to be expressed so that they can be dealt with. Extremism breeds where hatred is forced underground. It's how Isis were born (shadowy deep/dark web forums), it's how the Nazi's were born (beer halls), and now it's how you get this current mess.

Kier Starmer is currently doing the same here and it will end badly. I don't know how many times the mistake needs to be repeated.

Whilst I understand the sentiment here, how do you fight the outright lies which largely propagate the contrary position? That may sound judgmental, but it is not meant to be. The hate is fueled by lies, we know the scapegoats aren't really the issue, but quiet competence can't fight sensational outrage, not least because it probably won't 'work' as it isn't addressing any of the actual problems.

I was thinking the other day that when there are problems with historical physical infrastructure they are evident to all. We can see that we still rely too heavily on the stuff the Victorians built and that a lot of our other physical stuff is woefully below the standards of modern life, as it was simply designed and built a long time ago. The same is true of a lot of the administrative systems of the state. Whilst things like the NHS, the tax system, even the political system evolve they were built for a different time and in many ways they just don't work now, but how do you go about that sort of root and branch reform when even the much simpler physical problems are out of reach in terms of being fixed? All the while the 'other side' are saying it would all be fine if there were simply fewer Indians.

[phonics]

I would say the main issue is that people have been silenced for the last 15 years. This is what happens when you don't allow free and open discussion, hatred festers and grows. It always comes out in the end and it's far worse when it does.

You know what I haven't heard enough of in the last 15 years. Brown people are bad and it's their fault my life is shit.

[phonics]

As if the left haven't created an environment full of hideous people shrieking every 5 minutes that somebody should be cancelled.

Everyone is awful.. Realise that and things will be a lot easier to deal with.

Another thing I haven't heard enough from the right is a bunch of hideous people shrieking that they have been cancelled while their life continues on completely normally with zero reprecussions. Another word the right has abused into meaningless alongside 'woke'. At this point all it means is 'people are calling me a knob'

[Spikey M]

:D

Some top quality stuff in here this morning.



Whilst I understand the sentiment here, how do you fight the outright lies which largely propagate the contrary position? That may sound judgmental, but it is not meant to be. The hate is fueled by lies, we know the scapegoats aren't really the issue, but quiet competence can't fight sensational outrage, not least because it probably won't 'work' as it isn't addressing any of the actual problems.

I was thinking the other day that when there are problems with historical physical infrastructure they are evident to all. We can see that we still rely too heavily on the stuff the Victorians built and that a lot of our other physical stuff is woefully below the standards of modern life, as it was simply designed and built a long time ago. The same is true of a lot of the administrative systems of the state. Whilst things like the NHS, the tax system, even the political system evolve they were built for a different time and in many ways they just don't work now, but how do you go about that sort of root and branch reform when even the much simpler physical problems are out of reach in terms of being fixed? All the while the 'other side' are saying it would all be fine if there were simply fewer Indians.

By having debate and evidencing statements. It worked quite well pre-2008, which is where the cultural shift into silencing started creeping in. There's no straightforward answer, you will always get charlatans and hatred, it's just better to have them out in the open, where they can be challenged. Rather than hidden away in an echo chamber, radicalising.

If we are looking at a changing zeitgeist here, we will see this stuff shift the other way and soon it will be the left being silenced.

Nigel Farage really does feel inevitable at the moment. Christ.

[Spikey M]

You know what I haven't heard enough of in the last 15 years. Brown people are bad and it's their fault my life is shit.

Numerous people have been cancelled for such statements, some imprisoned.

[Spikey M]

Another thing I haven't heard enough from the right is a bunch of hideous people shrieking that they have been cancelled while their life continues on completely normally with zero reprecussions. Another word the right has abused into meaningless alongside 'woke'. At this point all it means is 'people are calling me a knob'

Really? I mean, I have no sympathy for the man, but I haven't seen Laurence Fox's surprisingly normal sized Penis in many films recently.

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[phonics]

I think Lawrence Fox being an actual nutjob might be as big a hindrance to him not being able to get work as his political views but I'm not sure what that has to do with my position that a huge amount of these people cry wolf because they think it's unfair to be called things for being racist. I thought that's what you wanted. Dialogue.

[Kikó]

Poor Lawrence Fox. Being woke means words might have consequences on people wanting to work with you.

[niko_cee]

By having debate and evidencing statements. It worked quite well pre-2008, which is where the cultural shift into silencing started creeping in. There's no straightforward answer, you will always get charlatans and hatred, it's just better to have them out in the open, where they can be challenged. Rather than hidden away in an echo chamber, radicalising.

If we are looking at a changing zeitgeist here, we will see this stuff shift the other way and soon it will be the left being silenced.

Nigel Farage really does feel inevitable at the moment. Christ.

No one wants to have a debate and I'm not sure hate has really been silenced, if anything it has been cultivated at record rates in the cancellation era, but even that, in itself is a distraction. Prescription loaves for transexuals, better NHS access for people in prison than ORDINARY WORKING FAMILIES [and by extension better access for illegal boat people because they get detained], more potholes because the green economy wants you to drive less, all the shit that winds up and motivates people is trivial. People don't want engagement and sensible proposals, they want miracle fix solutions in the form of 30 second tik tok videos, so yes, we're on the road to Nigelrillo and a generally worse society. All because some fucking blue haired twats invented some alternative pronouns. Fucking communists.

[Spikey M]

I think Lawrence Fox being an actual nutjob might be as big a hindrance to him not being able to get work as his political views but I'm not sure what that has to do with my position that a huge amount of these people cry wolf because they think it's unfair to be called things for being racist. I thought that's what you wanted. Dialogue.


Poor Lawrence Fox. Being woke means words might have consequences on people wanting to work with you.

All I'm hearing is that you're ok with it because you disagree with his thoughts. I disagree. He has bad opinions, but that shouldn't be a barrier to work. Just as, if we are starting to move to the right, I wouldn't want to be unable to work for my views. Nor, I assume, would you two.

People can have different opinions on things. It's ok for that to be a thing.

[Lofty]

Laurence Fox once auditioned for the role of his actual father's on screen son and didn't get it, suggesting deeper reasons his career is on the skids.

Stupid shit like the government going nuclear over the details about Stabber McGee in Southport and then it all coming out afterwards that a lot of what was suggested and condemned at the time is going to see them pay at the polls.

[Spikey M]

Laurence Fox once auditioned for the role of his actual father's on screen son and didn't get it, suggesting deeper reasons his career is on the skids.

Stupid shit like the government going nuclear over the details about Stabber McGee in Southport and then it all coming out afterwards that a lot of what was suggested and condemned at the time is going to see them pay at the polls.

Stabber Jones, please. He's a Welshman, not Scottish.

[phonics]

All I'm hearing is that you're ok with it because you disagree with his thoughts. I disagree. He has bad opinions, but that shouldn't be a barrier to work. Just as, if we are starting to move to the right, I wouldn't want to be unable to work for my views. Nor, I assume, would you two.

People can have different opinions on things. It's ok for that to be a thing.

I said his opinions probably matter less than him being generally loathsome so no-one wants to work with him. He can get a real job instead.

[Kikó]

All I'm hearing is that you're ok with it because you disagree with his thoughts. I disagree. He has bad opinions, but that shouldn't be a barrier to work. Just as, if we are starting to move to the right, I wouldn't want to be unable to work for my views. Nor, I assume, would you two.

People can have different opinions on things. It's ok for that to be a thing.

Yeah, I'm sure he can find people who want to employ him who agrees with his opinions? He did that My son Hunter film recently so I'm sure there are some directors that want him to play roles.

I'm sure if a potential employer found out I was a big racist they would have second thoughts on employing me.

[Spikey M]

I said his opinions probably matter less than him being generally loathsome so no-one wants to work with him. He can get a real job instead.

He has. And now his real job is being a professional arsehole on Social Media.

[phonics]

Yeah, I'm sure he can find people who want to employ him who agrees with his opinions? He did that My son Hunter film recently so I'm sure there are some directors that want him to play roles.

I'm sure if a potential employer found out I was a big racist they would have second thoughts on employing me.

Don't you work for DeutcheBank? If anything that'd get you a promotion if you could prove you were a paedo as well.

[Jimmy Floyd]

lol if you think the two things are not one and the same in the eyes of the film industry.

Hard to recognise intolerance if it's you doing it.

[Spikey M]

Yeah, I'm sure he can find people who want to employ him who agrees with his opinions? He did that My son Hunter film recently so I'm sure there are some directors that want him to play roles.

I'm sure if a potential employer found out I was a big racist they would have second thoughts on employing me.

Of course they would, but who knows what the world looks like in 10 years. Perhaps being pro-choice becomes the next thing that costs people their jobs?

[Lofty]

Say what you want about Trump but the board's on fire this morning.

Make TTH Great Again, already achieved.

[randomlegend]

All I'm hearing is that you're ok with it because you disagree with his thoughts. I disagree. He has bad opinions, but that shouldn't be a barrier to work. Just as, if we are starting to move to the right, I wouldn't want to be unable to work for my views. Nor, I assume, would you two.

People can have different opinions on things. It's ok for that to be a thing.

It's also Ok for people to decide they don't want to work with if you.

[Kikó]

Don't you work for DeutcheBank? If anything that'd get you a promotion if you could prove you were a paedo as well.

I don't.

[Kikó]

Of course they would, but who knows what the world looks like in 10 years. Perhaps being pro-choice becomes the next thing that costs people their jobs?

Yeah or putting milk in your tea before the hot water? Mad world.

[SvN]

Say what you want about Trump but the board's on fire this morning.

Make TTH Great Again, already achieved.

Agreed, it's like the golden years this morning. Good work, Donald.

[Spikey M]

Yeah or putting milk in your tea before the hot water? Mad world.

You can mock, but right wing parties are in the ascendancy and it may well be our views that are seen as outrageous in the future. I don't think you'll be so comfortable with people losing their jobs for their personal beliefs then. But you can't see that, and it's this superiority complex that's ushering in this change. You don't have to like the right, but you should try to understand it.

[Shindig]

Someone send Henry the signal.

[Luke Emia]

Why is everyone losing their mind? He's a cunt, he probably never should be president first time around but at the end of the day enough Americans(bearing in mind none of you actually live there) voted for him. Twice! We can't change that and four years will fly by somethings will get worse, some things might even get slightly better but at the end of it all the rich will all still be rich and we will all still be on here tossing one off about how Arsenal are massive bottlers and how shit United are.

Would I vote for him? No. But, I also wouldn't/didn't vote for the last four massively incompetent Tory leaders and voted Labour in the most recent election thinking things wouldn't get any worse and they are doing a pretty good job of trying to fuck that up. Unless you are in a dictatorship all politicians are basically trying to make the next 3/4 years marginally less shit so you vote them back in. Any big decisions can then be kicked down the road for the poor tossers who get in afterwards.

[Kikó]

You can mock, but right wing parties are in the ascendancy and it may well be our views that are seen as outrageous in the future. I don't think you'll be so comfortable with people losing their jobs for their personal beliefs then. But you can't see that, and it's this superiority complex that's ushering in this change. You don't have to like the right, but you should try to understand it.

Controversial public opinions can make you less employable. You need to be careful expressing personal beliefs in public forums.

[phonics]

You can mock, but right wing parties are in the ascendancy and it may well be our views that are seen as outrageous in the future. I don't think you'll be so comfortable with people losing their jobs for their personal beliefs then. But you can't see that, and it's this superiority complex that's ushering in this change. You don't have to like the right, but you should try to understand it.

I’d say the left understands the right a lot more than any on the right understand the left. They’ve been running the world since I’ve been born. The biggest complaint you can find is a coke head actor can’t be racist. Meanwhile I can just gesture at the state of the place.

[niko_cee]

The whole left/right political divide illusion is another of the things that can be put in the no longer fit for purpose pile.

[Boydy]

By having debate and evidencing statements. It worked quite well pre-2008, which is where the cultural shift into silencing started creeping in. There's no straightforward answer, you will always get charlatans and hatred, it's just better to have them out in the open, where they can be challenged. Rather than hidden away in an echo chamber, radicalising.

If we are looking at a changing zeitgeist here, we will see this stuff shift the other way and soon it will be the left being silenced.

Nigel Farage really does feel inevitable at the moment. Christ.

Nick Griffin was on Question time in 2009.

Farage pretty much hasn't been off our screens since about 2014.

2008 was the turning point though, you're right on that. Just for the wrong reasons.

[randomlegend]

Why is everyone losing their mind? He's a cunt, he probably never should be president first time around but at the end of the day enough Americans(bearing in mind none of you actually live there) voted for him. Twice! We can't change that and four years will fly by somethings will get worse, some things might even get slightly better but at the end of it all the rich will all still be rich and we will all still be on here tossing one off about how Arsenal are massive bottlers and how shit United are.

Would I vote for him? No. But, I also wouldn't/didn't vote for the last four massively incompetent Tory leaders and voted Labour in the most recent election thinking things wouldn't get any worse and they are doing a pretty good job of trying to fuck that up. Unless you are in a dictatorship all politicians are basically trying to make the next 3/4 years marginally less shit so you vote them back in. Any big decisions can then be kicked down the road for the poor tossers who get in afterwards.

He's pardoned a load of people who tried to stage a violent insurrection and he also tried to steal an election.

Two things which even ten years ago would've been seen as completely fucking insane.

Somehow now everyone is just hand-waving.

[Ben]

The whole left/right political divide illusion is another of the things that can be put in the no longer fit for purpose pile.

Exactly. In the classic sense left/right is purely economical. From that sense, I'm a leftist. But it doesn't mean that anymore.

[Boydy]

It does if you want it to, comrade. The identity politics lot can fuck off. Fucking liberals.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The naive let's all be friends era (in the west, at least) of 1990-2008 is historically atypical, not typical. Trump is the norm.

[niko_cee]

50 years of broadly rising living standards as enjoyed in the post-war period also atypical both in terms of the broad sweep of human existence and the geographic specificity of it largely only being in western countries.

Do we accept a return to subsistence existence?

[Spikey M]

And we're back to where we can all agree (Apart from Yev). It's all the Boomers fault.

[Yevrah]

Controversial public opinions can make you less employable. You need to be careful expressing personal beliefs in public forums.

Yes, but what’s controversial also changes with the times.

The left’s and your entire argument seems to boil down to “well I don’t like those views so I agree with the current consequences of them being aired”, which is remarkably short sighted.

I’d also mind less if it was outright hatred that was being silenced but we’ve just lived through years of being told that even questioning immigration policies, for example, is racist, which absolutely bonkers.

[niko_cee]

And there we had it, the once in a hundred years chance to make a big dent into the elderly, an impulsive buffoon in charge who wanted to 'let it rip' and yet we still failed to grasp the utilitarian nettle. Fuck the grown ups in the room.

[Yevrah]

Another thing I haven't heard enough from the right is a bunch of hideous people shrieking that they have been cancelled while their life continues on completely normally with zero reprecussions. Another word the right has abused into meaningless alongside 'woke'. At this point all it means is 'people are calling me a knob'

We moved well past this point ages ago. I'll concede that at the beginning of this awful near 10 year journey accusations of being cancelled were thrown out like confetti when there wasn't much of it happening, but actual examples have been racked up left, right and centre since.

[Yevrah]

He's pardoned a load of people who tried to stage a violent insurrection and he also tried to steal an election.

Two things which even ten years ago would've been seen as completely fucking insane.

Somehow now everyone is just hand-waving.

On the back of Biden pardoning his son, right?

I know Trump would have done it anyway, but it seems an odd stick to beat him with when both sides are at it.