U.S. Presidential Election 2016 (Sponsored by Betty Croker's Hamburger Helper)

[Spikey M]

I mean, he actually looks dead there.

[John Arne]

You know it's bad when Trump is now going after the people telling Sleepy Joe to resign :D

[Magic]

"because you'd be in jail" and "I don't know what he said and I don't think he does either" are two of the greatest moments in modern politics.

[Gray Fox]

So someone just tried to off Trump during a rally speech.

[Lofty]

Clipped his ear by the looks.

[Shindig]

I am amazed it's taken this long.

[Pepe]

What a country.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Holy fuck.

[Bernanke]

That's a wrap on the election then.

[Pepe]

Look at him celebrate. His odds to win about to double.

[Gray Fox]

If Biden wasn't winning before, he sure as hell isn't winning now.

[-james-]

Can you imagine the consequences if Junior hadn't skipped firearm class? Christ.

[Pepe]

Those "Joe Biden You're fired" signs. :rosebud:

[Waffdon]

Trump got up like a mob boss. What a bloke

[Gray Fox]

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This is going to be everywhere and anywhere.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

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This is going to be everywhere and anywhere.

And that's a wrap on the election.

That will prove to be far too powerful.

[Shindig]

Tans of Iwo Jima.

[Waffdon]

Even more gangster if he faked it

[Shindig]

That's not beyond the realm of possibility. :D

[Lofty]

I mean he's a WWE Hall of Famer, he must know how to nick himself on the sly.

[Lewis]

That picture is incredible. Biden would have survived the bullet and then been killed under the Secret Service pile-on.

[7om]

Gunman and one audience member dead apparently.

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[-james-]

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How the fuck did they not have that on lockdown?

[Shindig]

"Trump 202X" :D

[7om]

Trump completely no sold it as well. A true rasslin’ hall of famer.

[John Arne]

The shots are awfully quiet. Sound more like an air rifle.

[Ben]

Fucking lunatic nation.

[Spikey M]

He'd be more capable than Biden even with 5 bullets in his noggin.

[randomlegend]

Christ, imagine being in the secret service and having to risk your life putting yourself between a shooter and absolute human trash like Trump.

America is so fucked. If/when Trump gets re-elected it won't just be an "over there" problem either. He is seriously dangerous and the world should be seriously worried.

[Yevrah]

America is so fucked. If/when Trump gets re-elected it won't just be an "over there" problem either. He is seriously dangerous and the world should be seriously worried.

Exactly the same was said last time and it didn’t turn out like that. Wasn’t he the only president for x years who didn’t invade or bomb anyone too?

[niko_cee]

When I heard about this I was assuming some sort of nutter with a handgun emerging from the crowd and never really having a chance, not some Lee Harvey wannabe on top of a building with a high powered rifle. How has he missed? Steven Baldwin was wrong, Oswald wasn't a fag.

[randomlegend]

Hopefully I'm wrong, but I can only imagine he'll be emboldened by what he's been able to get away with. He incited an insurrection and nothing happened. it's very easy to hand-wave it all away because he's managed to make everyone lose perspective on what's normal/acceptable, but the shit he's done is already absolutely mental.

[John Arne]

When I heard about this I was assuming some sort of nutter with a handgun emerging from the crowd and never really having a chance, not some Lee Harvey wannabe on top of a building with a high powered rifle. How has he missed? Steven Baldwin was wrong, Oswald wasn't a fag.

It definitely wasn't a high powered rifle. It sounded more like an air gun. The "shooter" was only something like 125m away.

[Yevrah]

When I heard about this I was assuming some sort of nutter with a handgun emerging from the crowd and never really having a chance, not some Lee Harvey wannabe on top of a building with a high powered rifle. How has he missed? Steven Baldwin was wrong, Oswald wasn't a fag.

My first thought was pretty much this. How on earth is someone on a roof top only 125 metres away not spotted. Surely they have real time aerial surveillance?

[niko_cee]

Particularly when you've ostensibly got comedy rednecks on the ground shouting to the police that he's up there. :cab:

And if it wasn't a proper rifle, what sort of idiot goes to attempt an assassination like this ill-equiped, in America, where you can probably buy a military grade sniper rifle from Walmart with an expired out of state driving licence?

[Shindig]

When I heard about this I was assuming some sort of nutter with a handgun emerging from the crowd and never really having a chance, not some Lee Harvey wannabe on top of a building with a high powered rifle. How has he missed? Steven Baldwin was wrong, Oswald wasn't a fag.

Actually, Oswald's hit-rate is shockingly all over the place.


Oswald was court-martialed after he accidentally shot himself in the elbow with an unauthorized .22 caliber handgun.


The Warren Commission concluded that Oswald attempted to kill retired U.S. Major General Edwin Walker on April 10, 1963, and that Oswald fired the Carcano rifle at Walker through a window from less than 100 feet (30 m) away as Walker sat at a desk in his Dallas home. The bullet struck the window-frame and Walker's only injuries were bullet fragments to the forearm.

Makes it more amazing he hit a moving target twice, really.

As for who gets emboldened by this, the pearl clutching I was hearing last night tells me this isn't the last time a deranged Democrat takes a shot at Trump.

[Spikey M]

If/when Trump gets re-elected it won't just be an "over there" problem either. He is seriously dangerous and the world should be seriously worried.

He would cut funding to Ukraine and the US would become isolationist. We, and most of Europe would soon follow suit and Ukraine would soon surrender the ground they've lost to Russia. It would probably spell bad news for Georgia too. China might also decide it's time to take Taiwan.

That's about it. There'd be no war or anything like that, because Europe wouldn't go to war without the US. European Armed Forces have been an underfunded shambles for decades.

[Shindig]

Isolationist? From a country that loves to sell itself? Not happening.

[John Arne]

I did have a giggle at the outstanding levels of incompetence shown by the secret Service (presumably Biden's fault)... particularly the female officers (SEXIST), one of which couldn't holster her pistol and another who spent a good 3-4 seconds trying to get her sunglasses back on.

[Lewis]

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Amigo

[Ben]

It definitely wasn't a high powered rifle. It sounded more like an air gun. The "shooter" was only something like 125m away.

My mum said this. She’s the furthest thing from a conspiracy theorist and let’s say she thinks the whole thing is a bit suss.

[7om]

He should go to his next rally wearing a neck brace. Really work the twitter marks.

[Ben]

He should go to his next rally wearing a neck brace. Really work the twitter marks.

:D

[Lofty]

Isolationist? From a country that loves to sell itself? Not happening.

Trump wants to trade with his mate Putin. He has always been critical of US foriegn policy. The main danger to us from him is trying to squeeze us to accept their food standards etc in trade deals as that was presumably what Boris was lining up before they both shat the bed.

[niko_cee]

It can't have been that shit of a gun seeing as someone died and others have been critically injured.

[Manc]

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This is going to be everywhere and anywhere.

Someone needs to edit the WWE title in.

[Shindig]

Change the flag for the Wrestlemania sign, too.

[Ben]

The shooter is (was) a registered Republican. :sherlock:

[niko_cee]

That picture of the bullet passing Trump is insane.

[Magic]

As is the tattoo version (of the fist pump).

[Shindig]

The more I think of it, his animated gesturing saved his life.

[Danny]

Someone needs to edit the WWE title in.

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[Manc]

Poetry.

[randomlegend]

When something like this happens and you get exposed to more interviews etc. with Americans, it really does hit home quite how utterly deranged so many of them are.

[Spikey M]

What would actually need to happen to have them want to Bam guns? School shootings aren't enough. Presidential assassinations aren't enough. Kids shooting their own parents aren't enough. Where's the line?

[niko_cee]

Someone would have to successfully assassinate the father, son and holy spirit.

And even then it'd be at best a 2 day cool off period before you're allowed to open carry your AR-15.

[Gray Fox]

I don't think there is a line. They just will not have it that their guns could be taken away. Any politician that would promise to do so would never be elected.

[Magic]

What would actually need to happen to have them want to Bam guns? School shootings aren't enough. Presidential assassinations aren't enough. Kids shooting their own parents aren't enough. Where's the line?

What would that involve? Making them thick and cockney?

[randomlegend]

What would actually need to happen to have them want to Bam guns? School shootings aren't enough. Presidential assassinations aren't enough. Kids shooting their own parents aren't enough. Where's the line?

You and I see it the opposite way round to them. They genuinely believe that more good guys with guns is the only way to counter bad guys with guns.

Trump nearly getting shot will only have convinced them they - the good guys - all need more guns to protect their Messiah from the bad guys.

That's the entrenched belief you're up against and why nobody will ever win the gun regulation argument in America.

[Shindig]

It's a genie you can't quite put back in the bottle. It's an industry. At best, you turn gun ownership into a privilege. Something you can only do at the gun club. If a gun's at home, exercise a one-in-the-chamber policy. One bullet. If someone breaks in, you've got one shot. If you fancy killing yourself, you're covered.

Gun suicides still leading the way. (https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/)

[Yevrah]

Agree with RL. We even sent Piers Morgan over, in full on Piers Morgan mode and his arguments had absolutely no impact with anyone he was talking to whatsoever. Never is a strong word, but unless there's a wholesale cultural change in the US there is no chance of proper gun control there and even if there is, you still have to get past the NRA.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Nothing will make them want to ban guns. It's like asking us what would make us want to ban beer. The starting point is guns/beer, any negative consequences are just secondary and unimportant.

I talked to an American a while back who was completely baffled, and in fact quite upset and insulted, by the fact that many Europeans don't consider hunting to be a morally sound activity, whereas he enjoyed shooting pigs of a weekend and couldn't believe he was being judged for it. Because we consume all their movies and TV we like to think we are in their heads but we are absolutely not, it's a world apart.

[Spikey M]

There has to be a line. Everyone has their price and all that. I'm just wondering where it is. Niko probably isn't far wrong with the assassination of the Holy Trinity.

[randomlegend]

There has to be a line. Everyone has their price and all that. I'm just wondering where it is. Niko probably isn't far wrong with the assassination of the Holy Trinity.

There isn't. The answer would be more guns.

[niko_cee]

Maybe it has to get to the point where almost everyone is just wandering around with assault rifles and there are frequent, massive public battles in Walmart etc, but then you probably just have a breakdown of civil society and the guns become an essential survival item. At this point it can't be far removed from us trying to ban knives to stop knife crime.

[Spikey M]

Don't America have worse knife crime than us too? They did have, anyway.

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[niko_cee]

As Bowling for Columbine posited, what, 20 years ago [?], they're just naturally more homicidal people.

My point about knives is that it is obviously an impractical and unworkable solution and for Americans guns have the same every day utility as knives.

[Spikey M]

Granted, but I need a knife to make dinner. They don't need a gun to order their McWhoppers unless they do so via explosive morse code, which I acknowledge is a possibility.

[niko_cee]

They need a gun to defend their home, their family and their god given constitutional right to have said gun, all of which rate above your need for sustenance.

[Jimmy Floyd]

They think the guns are at making-dinner levels of importance.

[randomlegend]

Granted, but I need a knife to make dinner. They don't need a gun to order their McWhoppers unless they do so via explosive morse code, which I acknowledge is a possibility.

Go on any Reddit (DAE REDIT LOLOLOL) thread related to a gun violence incident and you'll soon see the beliefs and attitudes you're up against.

[Lofty]

Jim's correct. If you've ever been to the US and off the beaten path of Florida and theme parks you find yanks will start striking up conversations with you out of the blue when they notice you're from across the pond. One woman who did this to us truly couldn't comprehend there being no widespread use of guns in the UK, and the thought of it terrified her. She felt much safer when everyone had guns, even if that included the criminally insane.

[Pepe]

I think I've been here for ~15 years now and no one has ever talked to me about guns.

Trying to reason through it is futile. It is an identity thing for a large number of people. "Guns" is basically who they are. Add the two party nonsense and accepting banning guns is accepting you lost and that you are not part of the country anymore.

[Magic]

Nobody approaching the cartel banger about guns, consider me shocked.

[Waffdon]

:lol:

[niko_cee]

The wins just keep on coming for Donald with the documents case being thrown out, even if the judge and decision is absolutely crackers.


In a dramatic decision, issued Monday morning from her court in Florida, she held that the mere existence of special counsels - how they are appointed and how they are funded - violates the US Constitution.

Their whole system is absolute fucked and rotten from top to bottom, which is pretty lol considering how sanctimonious they always are about it as being the paradigm of enlightened society.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Now might not be a bad time to get your bets on Biden to win. 5/1!

[niko_cee]

The next veep is going to be younger than me. Sobering.

[SvN]

Now might not be a bad time to get your bets on Biden to win. 5/1!

6/1 on Betfair. Seems awfully long to me, but what the fuck do I know?

[Lofty]

The geezer introduced his ally as his enemy and his opponent as his deputy at an international conference, would you trust him to make you a cup of coffee without fucking it up at this point?

If his cognitive decline continues by the time the next tv debate rolls around he'll be answering questions with his sexual fetish preferences.

[Magic]

Did Biden really say something about Trump being a bullseye target mere days before his assassination attempt? Not so demented after all...

[Spikey M]

Did Biden really say something about Trump being a bullseye target mere days before his assassination attempt? Not so demented after all...

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Well, there's plenty of tweets like this saying he did, but unfortunately you can't trust anything you read anymore and - even if it is legit - he clearly doesn't mean "someone should shoot him lolol".

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'd have gone eighteen double sixteen myself.

[Lewis]

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[Pepe]

They really should have gone with that.

[Spikey M]

:D

[Giggles]

The next veep is going to be younger than me. Sobering.

It's when the presidential candidates are younger that you're in trouble.

[Spikey M]

They'd struggle to be older.

[niko_cee]

The sheer level of incompetence from the Secret Service in all this Trump shooting business is amazing. Definite deep state inside job had he not missed.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The part where they lifted him up for another crack was the best part. Maybe the second shooter got given the wrong postcode.

[niko_cee]

I know it's a bit after-eventing but the secret service has always struck me as a bunch of largely useless, middle-aged balding/fat men trying to look cool and full of their own self-importance.

[Spikey M]

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[Magic]

Kind of miss Twitter at times like these.

However I just logged back in and it's full of TEN THINGS posts. Fuck right off.

[Pepe]

https://x.com/EricLevitz/status/1813332287192461676

:harold:

[7om]

There has to be a line. Everyone has their price and all that. I'm just wondering where it is. Niko probably isn't far wrong with the assassination of the Holy Trinity.

No chance. The constitution is untouchable. Nobody can touch the second ammendment and I truly believe there'd be all out civil war if someone tried. There will continue to be thoughts and prayers every time an incident happens but that's the extent of it.

[Spikey M]

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You know it's over when even this flid is turning on him.

[Yevrah]

"But Trump is not all there mentally as well"

[Boydy]

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You know it's over when even this flid is turning on him.

Owen Jones? I don't think he's ever been much of a fan of Biden.

[Spikey M]

Owen Jones? I don't think he's ever been much of a fan of Biden.

When running against Trump he probably is.

[randomlegend]

"But Trump is not all there mentally as well"

I would vote for a corpse or a tea towel over Trump. Biden will be - at worst - merely completely ineffectual. Trump is a criminal and a lunatic. Probably a paedophile as well.

[niko_cee]

Trump will also be largely ineffectual.

Everyone shitting their pants over what he might get up to withdrawing support for Ukraine etc just needs to take a look at that wall that was definitely going to be built and definitely going to be paid for by Mexico and definitely going to solve the problem at the southern border.

[Lewis]

I wonder if there would be something to be gained by just admitting that Biden is there as a supposedly genial old duffer, and that don't worry about it we have a good team here making the actual decisions. Unless admitting that the President barely does anything would negate all of the Trump scare stories. I don't know. Rather than Trump winning I think the lol outcome now is that they just try to style his dementia/Parkinson's/whatever it is out and he wins anyway, and then refuses to stand down because he's just about with it enough to remain arrogant as fuck about it all.

[Shindig]

I think that just plays into Trumps hands too much. As little as Donald probably does, he sure will take credit for everything else.

[Spikey M]

I wonder if there would be something to be gained by just admitting that Biden is there as a supposedly genial old duffer, and that don't worry about it we have a good team here making the actual decisions. Unless admitting that the President barely does anything would negate all of the Trump scare stories. I don't know. Rather than Trump winning I think the lol outcome now is that they just try to style his dementia/Parkinson's/whatever it is out and he wins anyway, and then refuses to stand down because he's just about with it enough to remain arrogant as fuck about it all.

If you start making the president some kind of unimportant party mascot we're 10 years maximum from having the first wheelchair bound black, trans, lesbian President. President Netflix, if you will.

[Pepe]

I wonder if there would be something to be gained by just admitting that Biden is there as a supposedly genial old duffer, and that don't worry about it we have a good team here making the actual decisions. Unless admitting that the President barely does anything would negate all of the Trump scare stories. I don't know. Rather than Trump winning I think the lol outcome now is that they just try to style his dementia/Parkinson's/whatever it is out and he wins anyway, and then refuses to stand down because he's just about with it enough to remain arrogant as fuck about it all.

That's the way Democrats are coping, by saying that ACTUALLY what matters is the cabinet, not the president and so they trust whoever he appoints to run the country correctly. How you can be ok with that and then claim that the other party wants to DESTROY DEMOCRACY, I do not know.

[niko_cee]

Probably less of a head scratcher than believing people vote because the likes of Antony Blinken and, checks notes, Lloyd Austin might be on the ticket.

Also, why would you trust someone with dementia to pick the right people anyway?

[Pepe]

Because he is in the Good People party, not in the Bad People party, of course.

[niko_cee]

Isn't there a part of the US Constitution that allows the VP/Cabinet to essentially declare the President to be not up to it and shooft him? I'm sure there was talk of some such thing during the Trump times.

[Spikey M]

Who would be the Republican President after President Netflix? It would basically just be George Bush Jr, wouldn't it? But with more wars. And guns.

[Luke Emia]

I would vote for a corpse or a tea towel over Trump. Biden will be - at worst - merely completely ineffectual. Trump is a criminal and a lunatic. Probably a paedophile as well.

I was away at the weekend and got speaking to a bloke from Louisiana. He said he doesn’t like Trump overly but when the choice is him(no matter how mental he is) or choose someone who clearly doesn’t have the mental capacity to do the job it really isn’t much of a choice.

[Magic]

I was away at the weekend and got speaking to a bloke from Louisiana. He said he doesn’t like Trump overly but when the choice is him(no matter how mental he is) or choose someone who clearly doesn’t have the mental capacity to do the job it really isn’t much of a choice.

This is the correct choice.

[randomlegend]

It's insane how Trump has managed to change people's expectations of elected officials such that voting for him to be the fucking president isn't seen as utterly deranged.

[Pepe]

It's insane how Biden has managed to change people's expectations of elected officials such that voting for him to be the fucking president isn't seen as utterly deranged.

[Lofty]

What did Trump actually achieve last time? He just stuffed the White House with his family and creamed off as much cash as he could from it, didn't he?

[Pepe]

Lowered taxes then Covid happened and he gave free checks to everyone. Oh yes, he also appointed a few Supreme Court judges.

[Spikey M]

He also stole classified material on their nuclear weapons, but I'm sure there was nothing sinister going on there.

[niko_cee]

There are plenty of examples from history where it would be better to choose the vegetable.

[Spikey M]

There are plenty of examples from history where it would be better to choose the vegetable.

Liz Truss being the most recent - and literal - example.

[Pepe]

They are both obviously complete dogshit candidates. I don't even know what Trump's alleged plans are, tbh. I do not even think that he has any. Biden's plans on the other hand include shit such as rent controls and student debt forgiveness, both of which are terrible ideas.

[Spikey M]

They are both obviously complete dogshit candidates. I don't even know what Trump's alleged plans are, tbh. I do not even think that he has any. Biden's plans on the other hand include shit such as rent controls and student debt forgiveness, both of which are terrible ideas.

It's Impossible to ignore the fact that the West has the same issues across the board and it doesn't matter who's in charge. As with the UK, France(?) and Sweden, they can elect the opposition, but more of the same is all that's on offer anyway, really.

[Pepe]

That is correct. So here we can choose between the old man who doesn't remember where he left his hand of the old man who provides continuous lols.

[Magic]

They are both obviously complete dogshit candidates. I don't even know what Trump's alleged plans are, tbh. I do not even think that he has any. Biden's plans on the other hand include shit such as rent controls and student debt forgiveness, both of which are terrible ideas.

How are they terrible.

[Pepe]

Debt forgiveness = money transfer from the poor to the rich + college will become even more eye-watering expensive
Rent control = less rentals being built = more expensive rents + more homelessness + landlords will let their properties run down since they cannot raise their rents anyway

[Spikey M]

They've been banging on about student loan forgiveness since the Election Trump won. People can't believe they'll actually do it this time, surely.

[Magic]

Debt forgiveness = money transfer from the poor to the rich + college will become even more eye-watering expensive
Rent control = less rentals being built = more expensive rents + more homelessness + landlords will let their properties run down since they cannot raise their rents anyway

Sounds like someone who's never lived in the real world captain Academia. Go suck on a pencil.

[Magic]

Had to use glorious pirate proxy because my IPTV didn't have Rome.

[Pepe]

Sounds like someone who's never lived in the real world captain Academia. Go suck on a pencil.

Academics love that shit, what the fuck are you talking about.

[Lofty]

Lowered taxes then Covid happened and he gave free checks to everyone. Oh yes, he also appointed a few Supreme Court judges.

I don't think you can count shit like stimulus the same way the UK government kept wanking over furlough like they had a choice. Lower taxes fair enough, appointing judges not really an achievement just something that comes round every so often? Didn't sort the wall.

[Magic]

Had to use glorious pirate proxy because my IPTV didn't have Rome.

Lol I posted this in the wrong thread.

[Pepe]

I don't think you can count shit like stimulus the same way the UK government kept wanking over furlough like they had a choice. Lower taxes fair enough, appointing judges not really an achievement just something that comes round every so often? Didn't sort the wall.

Oh yeah, I am not trying to suggest he was good or anything. I rather pay less taxes, so that was good. The free money for everyone was a complete waste of money, in my opinion. I didn't lose any income whatsoever, yet I got money in the mail because why not. The judges were luck of the draw indeed. The wall was very obviously never going to happen.

His plan last time around seemed to be The Wall. I am not even sure he is pretending to have a plan this time around. Hopefully the plan involves another tax cut.

[Gray Fox]

Old timer has the Rona now. It could all take care of itself.

[Lewis]

Trump avoiding any new disastrous wars and de-escalating the ones he inherited were reasonable achievements.

[Lofty]

He was trying to escalate one with North Korea for a bit.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Yeah, the one thing you shouldn't do is mistake the Maga people for neocons, they're all about leaving the rest of the world to burn, rather than burning it themselves.

[Spikey M]

Just wish we'd do the same tbh.

I'm not sure why having to be involved in every war going is seen as a virtue.

[John Arne]

Good to see Partridge is alive and well.

"He nearly died".

Silence.

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[Spikey M]

Yeah, she comes across as the prick there.

[Kikó]

Matlis is on fire out at the conference. Only figuratively at this point but she'll probably be Mississippi Burning if she carries on.

[Lofty]

Peaked when she kept repeating the pussy is haunted joke in a stern voice, all downhill since then.

[Pepe]

What an unbearable 'reporter'.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Absolutely zero reason for either of them to be there.

[Spikey M]

Does Trump actually care about our m8 Nige? If so, why? It seems odd.

[Jimmy Floyd]

He's probably never heard of him, Nige just loves the glamour and money available from the US right (and actually just from the US in general).

[Lofty]

Presumably because Nige pushed Brexit so hard which Trump sees as spreading the countries cheeks for his mushroom cock trade deals that enrich them both and fuck us over.

[Lewis]

Trump probably thinks Farage is more important here than he is/was, which got him through the door, and now he probably also likes him on some sort flattery-led personal level. Farage is just doing what all of our political and media wanker class does in hitching himself to American bollocks like how British actors and musicians ultimately strive to get involved in American things.

[Gray Fox]

Rumour mill heating up that sleepy Joe will be ditched over the weekend.

[Bernanke]

Barry O has said it's time for Joe to consider his options, so I think we're really getting some action on it now. Betting markets seem to give it a 75% chance he drops from the candidacy.

[7om]

If old man Biden does drop out, is there a favourite to take over the nomination?

[Ben]

Kamala Harris was 1/2 when I checked the odds earlier.

[Lofty]

Get your mortgage on Trump then.

[Bernanke]

For several reasons, anything but Kamala doesn't really make sense.

[Shindig]

Yeah but what if The Rock's music hits?

[7om]

Michelle Obama would surely steamroll all of these fools.

[Ben]

Yeah but what if The Rock's music hits?

This is the way.

[Lofty]

If The Rock actually stood and just kept interrupting Trump in debates with 'IT DOESNT MATTER' and calling him a jabroni and a candy ass he'd unironically win a landslide.

[Magic]

If The Rock actually stood and just kept interrupting Trump in debates with 'IT DOESNT MATTER' and calling him a jabroni and a candy ass he'd unironically win a landslide.

I think that only works if the other person is making sound points.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Yeah but what if The Rock's music hits?

The Final Boss :drool:

[Shindig]

In a desperate attempt for votes, Trump activates the Jericho clock and we get a rerun of Y2J's debut.

[Boydy]

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Trump probably looks the happiest I've ever seen him at the end of that clip.

[Spikey M]

Ridiculous. But, again, atleast he doesn't have dementia.

[Ben]

Worst country ever.

[wullie]

Get Booker T in for the Democrat convention.

[Kikó]

I was watching Bernie Sanders on Steven Colbert and it really goes to show that age doesn't actually have to be a problem. He's older than Biden but doesn't look or sound like he's about to croak.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Age isn't a problem, unless it is.

[Yevrah]

Age has never been the issue, it's that he's got dementia. The amount of dancing around the handbags that's been done to avoid saying that is unreal.

[Ben]

LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD admitting their serving President should be in a care home would bring a whole host of other problems for them I'd expect.

[Yevrah]

I mean people in general not the actual establishment. Kiko is still doing it, for example.

[Adramelch]

Age should also be a consideration though. If people vote for say Bernie Sanders, it's highly probable that his mental state deteriorates within his term.

[Yevrah]

Of course, but Biden has dementia. It isn’t his age that’s led to this it’s his dementia.

[-james-]

Is there evidence that he has dementia beyond his disordered speech? Do we know/suspect that his reasoning is affected? Obviously being able to speak should be a pre-requisite for being president of the USA, I'm just curious.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Is there evidence that he has dementia beyond his disordered speech? Do we know/suspect that his reasoning is affected? Obviously being able to speak should be a pre-requisite for being president of the USA, I'm just curious.

The look in his eyes is very dementia-esque. My Grandma had the same look.

You can see at times he's just gone.

[Yevrah]

Beyond his disordered speech? He can't remember what day it is/who the president of Russia is.

[-james-]

Beyond his disordered speech? He can't remember what day it is/who the president of Russia is.

It could be that he knows what he wants to say but can't get the words out, it isn't necessarily dementia. Like I say, they might as well be the same thing in his position.

[Gray Fox]

They're starting to denounce him publicly now. Surely he doesn't last much longer.

[Shindig]

Even if he's not senile, you can't have a standing figurehead misreading the autocue every speech. It's free ammo.

[Kikó]

I mean people in general not the actual establishment. Kiko is still doing it, for example.

What am I doing?

[Yevrah]

Talking about his age rather than the fact he's clearly rapidly losing it. The process for the anti-Trump brigade on this has roughly been:

"Well he's old, but Trump is too"
"Trump is not mentally all there either"
"Fuck - we can still replace him right? RIGHT?"

It's seemed as though people have refused to admit basic clear as day obvious fachts, that have been obvious for quite some time now, as if they had done they'd have somehow been endorsing the orange one.

It's been a painful process to watch as it's just poured fuel on the schtick of dangerous cretins like Russell Brand and his ilk and invited Trump into the Whitehouse for a second term.

[Kikó]

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[Spikey M]

Better late than never.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

They knew he had no chance.

[Giggles]

That's Trump sorted now anyway, though he probably already was. Far too late coming.

[Pepe]

Time for him to go rest.

[Pepe]

I don't know, a late hype push could work.

[Lewis]

Shows you what a horrible thing dementia is when he only caught it three weeks ago.

[Bernanke]

"Late coming" is ridiculous. This is when campaigns used to start when we weren't living in a 24/7 news hellscape.

[phonics]

Biden announcing this the day I become old enough to run for President. Suspicious. I will accept the nomination.

[Bernanke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nk8SFRoJPWg

Kamala around 2 hours ago.

[wullie]

Give it Southgate to the end of the season.

[Bernanke]

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:D took them 2 minutes to switch it up

[Pepe]

:face:

I don't see how she wins. They should really go with someone else.

[Yevrah]

Questioning Trump's age when he took a bullet like a Navy Seal and was back out on the campaign trail almost immediately afterwards is a fucking retarded strategy.

How are the democrats this shit?

[Jimmy Floyd]

Because they spend too much time snorting the air from their own arseholes.

[Magic]

Just give Putin the keys now.

[John Arne]

The US aren't voting for a kinda-black woman, you'd think. Surely Gavin Newsom has to be up there? He won't be, it will be Harris, but it shouldn't be.

EDIT: He always backed Kamala. Clearly got his head screwed on.

[Pepe]

Obama was president for eight years.

[John Arne]

Famously not a woman. But yeah, point taken.

[Pepe]

I really don't think that the demographics are the issue. The issue is that no one likes her. In the primary four years ago she did terribly. With that said, she is not Trump and that should be enough for that half of the country.

[Bernanke]

Famously not a woman. But yeah, point taken.

Hillary was uniquely hated and still won the popular vote. Like Pepe says, demographics won't be the issue if she doesn't pull this off.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Demographics are almost never the issue in western countries. It's lazy as hell to assume they are.

[John Arne]

Ok, lads.

[Shindig]

Trump did spent some of his time against Obama trying to disprove he was born in America.

So Kamala has a likeability problem? I can solve that.

1. Swear her in as President.
2. Go through the motions to bring something WILD in (like universal healthcare, basic income, etc). Something that can be dangled and on the table all the way through the campaign. The gears turn slowly, after all.
3. Show a harder edge. Go around calling yourself a shark. Trump hates those.
4. Bring up the assassination attempt. Go on about your record of never being shot at. Hammer home the shooter was one of his own voters.
5. Ask Donald where his wall is.
6. Go on about how Donald always hires family. Nobody else wants to work with him.

That might do it. Honestly, swearing her in would be the easiest thing. Already in the seat so anything that's a vote winner can be, "Mate, already taking care of it." before Congress/Senate/etc kick it out in December.

[niko_cee]

It'll be good if they take it to the gutter, although perhaps a bold gambit to take Trump on in his natural environment. You'd think, up against a convicted felon, a proven fraudster, a defamer of women he has sexually assaulted, someone who's only interest is in serving themselves and their family/associates and is probably only running to shoot down further federal investigations into himself that that might be an easy-ish thing to do. Get Crooked Hilary™ in as a freewheeling VP nominee going on about how he had the nerve to call her a crook.

[Lofty]

The problem being everyone backing Trump thinks he was stitched up.

[hfswjyr]

I did notice in most of the statements being made by Biden and Harris, they have ended their statements with something along the lines of "defeating Donald Trump". They are obsessed with him. I wonder if the counter strategy of actually winning voters, rather than defeating a felon might be a more solid strategy. What happened to uniting the country etc. rather than just trying to beat one guy?

Could the winning strategy just be to ignore him? That would probably win my vote based on how tired I am of hearing from the guy.

[John Arne]

It is strange that they aren't focusing on things they have actually achieved... Notably haven't the spent a bazillion pound on infrastructure, that has been beneficial to pretty much every state.

[Spoonsky]

The Democrats decided long ago (like eight years ago) that their strategy was going to be based around fear of Trump rather than promoting anything positive. That's also how Joe Biden beat Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primary in 2020. On that front, Kamala Harris isn't as bad as some have said; she's just a blank canvas, upon which can be projected any number of things: "diversity," "stability," "democracy," and, most importantly, not being Donald Trump. My guess is that it will work.

They're all cunts though.

[Gray Fox]

Could they use their Obama in the bank contract here and push Michelle forwards?

[Pepe]

I already saw her leaning on being a prosecutor and him a criminal. It makes a lot of sense, although it is pretty lol considering that the people drooling over this are also the ones who hate the police, but here we are.

[Spoonsky]

The ones drooling over this love the police, they just pretended to hate them for five minutes.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The problem being everyone backing Trump thinks he was stitched up.

The people backing Trump in 2020 don't matter, the ones who matter are keeping the people who took Biden to victory in 2020, or those who didn't vote as they didn't like either candidate.

If there are millions of people who voted for Biden over Trump in 2020 but in the four years since have decided that actually Donald is a splendid chap, then fine, but I don't think that's the case.

[Bernanke]

It's never been about convincing "independents", but about getting your own side to show up in greater numbers than the other guy.

[niko_cee]

The Secret Service boss woman getting grilled by this committee is laughably shit. Not sure how you can plausibly maintain that the whole thing wasn't an enormous clusterfuck because "you need to know all the details".

Erm, sir, there's a man on the roof over there with a range finder and a rifle.
Don't worry son, this is America, that's not unusual.

[phonics]

As someone pointed out, it's an open carry state. Bloke hadn't broke a law until he pulled the trigger.

[Lofty]

I'm going to an open carry state next year, should be fun :uhoh:

[Bernanke]

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This is a super solid avenue of attack, big "please proceed governor" vibes.

[Spikey M]

I'm going to an open carry state next year, should be fun :uhoh:

Have you not read/seen Of Mice and Men?

[Shindig]

Challenge some inner-city youths to basketball and film it, please.

[Kikó]

https://www.ok.co.uk/celebrity-news/kerry-katona-backs-trump-president-33279144

This could be pivotal.

[Jimmy Floyd]

She looks good for 65. Shame she's 43 I guess.

[Spikey M]

I'm not deciding until I know what Jodie Marsh is thinking.

[Shindig]

https://www.ok.co.uk/celebrity-news/kerry-katona-backs-trump-president-33279144

This could be pivotal.

Make America Whole Again

[Dark Soldier]

https://www.ok.co.uk/celebrity-news/kerry-katona-backs-trump-president-33279144

This could be pivotal.

Would.

[Yevrah]

Fucking hell, she’s younger than me.

[Spikey M]

You old codger.

[Yevrah]

I may be old, but at least I can say I look better than Kerry Katona. I didn't think that was likely.

[Giggles]

I think most people can say that at this stage.

[Lewis]

On a slightly related note I was stunned to find out that that lad off of Clarkson's Farm is twenty-six. I assumed he was at least my age. If that's what farming does to you then no wonder nobody wants to do it.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I spent a lot of my watch of it wondering what his off-screen habits are like to be as 'burly' as he is while working a physical job for presumably long hours. He must put away the beer like it isn't there.

[Lewis]

I was trying to work his physique out. He's like a normally built bloke but with a pillow under his jumper.

[Boydy]

Have you never seen a farmer before? They all look like that.

[Bernanke]

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[Spikey M]

If she's saying it wrong then so is everyone else over here.

[Pepe]

How else would you say it?

Liz Truss talking about competence is lol indeed, but Kamala Harris was 100% chosen to be vice-president because of DEI.

[Kikó]

It's Commala.

[Spikey M]

She's spelt her name wrong then.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Mrs Harris.

[Lewis]

How else would you say it?

Liz Truss talking about competence is lol indeed, but Kamala Harris was 100% chosen to be vice-president because of DEI.

Affirmative action and 'DEI' hiring is 100% necessary and correct, but nobody has ever actually been hired because of it.

[Yevrah]

Affirmative action and 'DEI' hiring is 100% necessary and correct, but nobody has ever actually been hired because of it.

That, is a quite brilliant point.

[phonics]

It’s very telling that a large swathe of the most awful people you know have just started to use DEI when they actually mean the n word.

[phonics]

Separately and I’m not quite sure how to phrase this but I’ll try to kind of outline the point.

Why is the coloured woman a hire based on nothing but that but the old white man everyone agreed was dying and demented for the last 4 years not?

[Yevrah]

I'm not here to answer question, but I'd like to point out that everyone didn't agree he was demented for the last four years. Hence why we are where we are only at this point.

[Spikey M]

I'm not going to try to speculate on American politics because I know basically nothing about it, but I will say that you only have to look at the Tories to see it happen. When they decided it was time to "take tough decisions on immigration", they rotated every brown face they could find as Home Secretary. Because, odious bitch she may be, Suela Braverman can say "send the fuckers to Rwanda" where, I don't know, Michael Fabricunt probably can't.

What am I trying to say exactly? I don't really know. Just that DUI hires were atleast a thing in Tory Scum meltdowns, I guess.

[phonics]

DUI hires would be a very different and bold political strategy.

[Yevrah]

They're everywhere - surely we all see our HR teams push for them in our workplaces? Sometimes they make sense - for example having a sales team of solely middle aged white men in Leicester would strike me as a bad idea, other times I think people tie themselves in knots as to what they're actually trying to achieve.

[Yevrah]

And yes, DUI hires is a policy I'd quite like to see implemented. Maybe Farage will give it a go.

[Spikey M]

The likes of Farage and Tommy Robinson always have a Sikh or 2 standing by for photo opportunities.

[Yevrah]

I meant Farage likes a pint, in case that wasn't clear.

[phonics]

The likes of Farage and Tommy Robinson always have a Sikh or 2 standing by for photo opportunities.

DUI as you typed it is the acronym for 'Driving Under the Influence'

[Spikey M]

Luls