U.S. Presidential Election 2016 (Sponsored by Betty Croker's Hamburger Helper)

[phonics]

There is an international airport, you are going to have border related agencies there. You will also have them as a regional hub because Canada isn’t too far away. Of course they are there.

The drone thing was a joke.

They're supposed to operate within 100 miles of the border. It's 800 miles from Canada.

[Spikey M]

And again.

[phonics]

Some highlights from overnight.

New York:

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Kentucky:
Meanwhile there's also a completely seperate Police Brutality protest going on in Kentucky where 7 people have been shot. Police claim that these all came from within the crowd but there's no evidence and if we take it at face vaue, the Police answering protestors shooting other protestors by firing tear gas at the protestors seems a bad idea.

The reason I'm not so ready to believe the Kentucky Police is because here's a video of them firing rubber bullets at news teams on their own for seemingly no reason.
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Atlanta:
Been following all night and this is the only person in uniform to come out of this with any credit
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[phonics]

Here's a couple of cool photos from Minneapolis from the day before.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270326079648956433/716115533925318776/image0.jpg
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[Revolution]

They have every right to riot and burn that shit hole down to the ground.

[Spikey M]

Do they? It's the same as the London Riots (except the London Riots weren't justified at all). They're attacking people and burning/looting businesses that had fuck all to do with the murder(s). They're ruining their own community.

Their rage is understandable, their response is moronic. I wouldn't condone the mass lynching of Police Officers, obviously, but if they want to actually make a point.....

[Shindig]

Nobody wins.

[Kikó]

They're protesting against a school Constitution that ingrains inequality with a white supremacist leading the country. The only thing they've got is protest.

[Don]

Do they? It's the same as the London Riots (except the London Riots weren't justified at all)

:D

[Spikey M]

:D

Of course you think they were.

[Don]

I was merely laughing at that stupid sentence, not laughing at what is presumably a semi-sensible viewpoint that you may be hiding behind it.

Killer Mike tearing shit up:

https://twitter.com/mentnelson/status/1266562774118907904?s=20

[Shindig]

The main thing about Mark Duggan is he did what Jean Charles De Menez did. He ran from visibly armed police. That's a sure fire way to get shot.

[phonics]

Do they? It's the same as the London Riots (except the London Riots weren't justified at all). They're attacking people and burning/looting businesses that had fuck all to do with the murder(s). They're ruining their own community.

Their rage is understandable, their response is moronic. I wouldn't condone the mass lynching of Police Officers, obviously, but if they want to actually make a point.....

2 lines, both dumb in different ways. The cops murdered a guy and then planted a gun on him (not saying they were a-ok but 'not justified at all' is just ignorant). On the second line, are you saying that you think mass killings of the police would bring about more positive change for the community already constantly oppressed by the police?

[Spikey M]

First point is that it is very hard to get killed by the police in the UK. There are issues with stop and search and a culture of racism within the force, granted, but one black bloke being shot should not lead to riots.

Point 2 was not that it would lead to change. Simply that it would atleast be kicking out at the right people.

[Don]

The cops murdered a guy and then planted a gun on him (not saying they were a-ok but 'not justified at all' is just ignorant).

We gonna need a factcheck on this.

[phonics]

One annoying side note of this thing is people saying 'This is why you should vote Democrat/Trump caused this'

Isn't Amy Kloubachar from Minnesota? So there's a Dem in the senate. I think it's run by a Democratic Governor, and having double checked, the Mayor is a democrat and the city council is 12 Democrats and 1 Green Party member.

Ferguson happened under Obama and all the activists involved in that keep turning up dead in their cars and labelled a suicide. This is how America works. From slavery to Jim Crow. Put the masses in their place so they know their role.

[phonics]

We gonna need a factcheck on this.

Cops claim they shot him because he shot at them. Only bullets found were stuck in a coppers radio and the bullet was from a Police issued MP5. The gun they found on him was 15 feet away and Duggan had no evidence of gunshot residue. The polices story changed 100 times and still ended up making no sense.

Why they did it I'm not sure but my only assumption is that someone involved in ordering the op was bent and covering up something. Or more innocently, the officer who shot first shit himself hence why he was removed from the firearms team shortly after.

[Shindig]

They did it because he was running from the scene.

[phonics]

Yeah, no criminal has ever run from the police before. Makes perfect sense. Case closed.

That’s probably why they threatened to shoot the cab driver if he got out of the cab as well. They just see anyone move and it’s time to fire off some rounds.

[Shindig]

It's more about protecting a scene at that point.

[Spikey M]

Yeah, no criminal has ever run from the police before. Makes perfect sense. Case closed.

That’s probably why they threatened to shoot the cab driver if he got out of the cab as well. They just see anyone move and it’s time to fire off some rounds.

Yeah. That's why we have all these police shootings all the time.

[phonics]

If they shot him for running. Why did they say he shot at them. Guns are heavy, He was shot in the bicep, how/why is he throwing a gun 15 feet away in that moment?

Why is the police story so consistently inconsistent? Everyone saw 1 thing until they all definitely saw a completely different thing when confronted with evidence.

[phonics]

Yeah. That's why we have all these police shootings all the time.

Look I know you don’t like me so you assume I’m thick but you do realise you just agreed with my point right?

All this to stop a guy doing a revenge killing of presumably some other low level gangster? It just doesn’t add up.

[Spikey M]

No idea. Not really fussed either. Just lolling at the implication that the police are routinely shooting at anything that moves.

[phonics]

No idea. Not really fussed either. Just lolling at the implication that the police are routinely shooting at anything that moves.

I know it’s early over there And you might have had a few cans last night, so I’ll just explain it to you. That was (I thought pretty obvious) sarcasm in reply to Shindig saying anyone that runs ends up riddled with bullets.

Spend more time reading the post not the posters name.

[Spikey M]

If this is the case then please redirect my sarcasm to Shinners.

[Shindig]

How's the basketball going, Phonics?

[phonics]

Fine, how’s the transphobia?

[Shindig]

Non-existent.

[phonics]

Non-existent.

Finally, some personal growth. Good to hear.

[Manc]

Didn't have Kiko down as a basmati badman.

[phonics]

Kiko is the one good banker. Deutschebank aside but we all have one EvilCorp on our CV.

[Kikó]

The main thing about Mark Duggan is he did what Jean Charles De Menez did. He ran from visibly armed police. That's a sure fire way to get shot.

Pretty sure that's bollocks. He didn't know that he was mistakenly accused of being a terrorist and going about his day.

[Kikó]

I'm still not a banker.

[phonics]

And Magic's not an engineer but we all have to live the lie.

[Shindig]

Pretty sure that's bollocks. He didn't know that he was mistakenly accused of being a terrorist and going about his day.

Sorry, for some reason I thought he'd jumped the ticket barriers. Oof. That wikipedia article does not make for good reading.

[phonics]

Sorry, for some reason I thought he'd jumped the ticket barriers. Oof. That wikipedia article does not make for good reading.

Because once again that’s the story the police gave to the media before having to recant it in the face of evidence proving otherwise.

[Shindig]

I'd usually be inclined to see it as incompetence rather than wilful misdirection but, it happens to often it has to be intentional. Paints a really bleak picture about the whole institution.

[Mellberg]

Despite there being some very good coppers out there, a lot of old bill don't know the rulebook and get into it for the wrong reasons. That seems to be magnified in the US.

Can't get my head around kneeling on the neck of a handcuffed man and then fucking carrying on for over two minutes after he's passed out/died. It's murder for me, Clive.

[Lewis]

I think it's simply the fun factor. That video I saw yesterday of five coppers in London wrestling/tazing somebody to the ground is obviously a non-starter if they're likely to have a gun on them, so then everything becomes much more confrontational.

[Don]

Despite there being some very good coppers out there, a lot of old bill don't know the rulebook and get into it for the wrong reasons. That seems to be magnified in the US.

Can't get my head around kneeling on the neck of a handcuffed man and then fucking carrying on for over two minutes after he's passed out/died. It's murder for me, Clive.

He was testing his weight.

[phonics]

Seems that they worked the security at the same nightclub for years...

[Don]

Just watched the full video again. Nothing quite like it in terms of making your blood boil. They need to screen that shit every night before everyone is released out on the streets.

[phonics]

Just in case no-one saw this, Tony Yeboah turned up to support the people of Minneapolis.

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[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Brilliant.

[phonics]

Columbus police just pepper sprayed their member of congress.

[Boydy]

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This thread is full of lots of very odd stuff. What is going on?

[phonics]

Overnight update NYPD going absolutely mental
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A random man shooting someone with a bow and arrow and then having the shit beaten out of him?
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Swat knocks down old man?
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Shoot explosive at journalists
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Cop hitches a ride and falls off lol
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[Bernanke]

lol at Anna Kendrick being the source, but this compilation is quite something.

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[Shindig]

Christ, so many fucking egos in one place.

[Kikó]

Great post phonics. America is gone. Let's see how good the right to bare arms is when you are against dudes with tanks.

[Spikey M]

Their virus figures will be interesting in a couple of weeks. :face:

[Shindig]

Maybe the curfew's balance it out. :D

[Bernanke]

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Actually teared up when he started talking to the kid. Fuck.

[Don]

I teared up far earlier when old man's uggs came into view.

[Shindig]

Two fellas leaving it up to a 16 year old to sort this shit out.

Whoops.

[Bernanke]

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This entire thread is gold.

DE-ESCALATE ON HIS DICK.

[Smjffy]

lol at Anonymous getting involved and shutting down government websites. :D

[randomlegend]

Hahahaha America is a fucking shit hole. Wonder if Mert will make an appearance to tell us how we're all cucks because our police don't randomly run us over.

[Smjffy]

Such a fucked up world.


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[Spikey M]

He routinely bragged about 'grabbing women by the pussy' and proudly said that he would fuck his daughter if she wasn't his daughter. There's not a chance he hasn't been involved in some seriously deviant shit.

[Bernanke]

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[Spikey M]

Literally nobody involved has been owned by anyone but it's not a bad zinger I guess

[John]

Literally nobody involved has been owned by anyone but it's not a bad zinger I guess

What about that whopper with the bow and arrow?

[Spikey M]

I stand corrected.

[mugbull]

https://twitter.com/yosoymichael/status/1267175042850476032?s=20

:happycry:

Shout out to his family

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

:rave:

[Lewis]

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lol

[Jimmy Floyd]

https://twitter.com/yosoymichael/status/1267175042850476032?s=20

:happycry:

Shout out to his family

This is why I go on about France

[Giggles]

When all these ones go on about the imminent “collapse of the US”, what exactly do they mean? Is it going to be taken over by Canada or something?

[Jimmy Floyd]

I suppose all the states could declare independence. Would liven up CONCACAF if nothing else.

[Don]

I didn't think this whole affair would lead me to have a genuine wank but here we are.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZVR5OzVAAAJoIr?format=jpg&name=medium

[Luca]

You had a wank to a petite girl? I don’t believe it.

[Don]

It's a cracking scene too, but I didn't end up finishing on it out of respect.

[Spoonsky]

I've never seen my Facebook wall or conversations with friends so single-mindedly focused on one topic. The events of the past few days have raised consciousness, raised the conversation and it feels like there's no going back.

[Spikey M]

It will be forgotten within a month.

[Queenslander]

The live streams have been mental.

[Shindig]

It will be forgotten within a month.

Yep. Just like Sandy Hook.

[Giggles]

Just like all news.

[mugbull]

I still don’t know what people are hoping to achieve. If all of these riots are happening just so that Senor Chauvinist get convicted of the third degree, ok, but that seems pretty small-time. Think it’s more likely no one’s particularly hoping to achieve anything and it’s just a spray gun of anger

[Spikey M]

It's a mixture of people hoping to achieve a mixture of things. Some want revenge, some want change, some want a new 50" TV.

[Shindig]

Spray gun of anger sounds like a cool weapon, to be honest. I want one of those.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKQaPowMQmU

Like, seriously. What complete retardation.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The thing that makes me uncomfortable is Brits and other foreigners attempting to grab their piece of what seems to me to be a distinctly American issue. I wish they showed such concern for oppressed groups everywhere and not just in the glamorous US of A.

[Queenslander]

The thing that makes me uncomfortable is Brits and other foreigners attempting to grab their piece of what seems to me to be a distinctly American issue. I wish they showed such concern for oppressed groups everywhere and not just in the glamorous US of A.

No one gives a fuck about West Papuans.

[Pepe]

The events of the past few days have raised consciousness, raised the conversation and it feels like there's no going back.

So what do you think will change?

My guess: fuck all.

[Lewis]

Yeah, maybe if it was just his Facebook wall or his friends. But both? Strap yourself in.

[Pepe]

:lol:

[Pepe]

Problem is, it all focuses on "institutional racism" and (from an email I got from the Provost of Diversity Equity and Inclusion) "white supremacism (a system of white supremacy)." Since those basically mean nothing, you cannot fix them. What you would need to do is change policing procedures everywhere, and since over here every single county does whatever the fuck they want, good luck with that.

[Jimmy Floyd]

Institutional racism is the biggest red herring in the world. Maybe it exists, but it isn't the problem. It's a canvas that the political left try to paint the real problem onto, because it gives them licence to try and solve the problems in holistic ways that feel comfortable within their worldview.

The real problem is individual hateful racists - and there are a lot of them, acting independently of one another - committing acts of violence and abusing power.

[Lewis]

The assembled tossers blaming the rioting on white people is a laugh. Obviously once you get your head far enough up your own arse you encounter the noble savage.

[Spikey M]

The thing that makes me uncomfortable is Brits and other foreigners attempting to grab their piece of what seems to me to be a distinctly American issue. I wish they showed such concern for oppressed groups everywhere and not just in the glamorous US of A.

#Kony2020

[Shindig]

Problem is, it all focuses on "institutional racism" and (from an email I got from the Provost of Diversity Equity and Inclusion) "white supremacism (a system of white supremacy)." Since those basically mean nothing, you cannot fix them. What you would need to do is change policing procedures everywhere, and since over here every single county does whatever the fuck they want, good luck with that.

Yep. It's a question of trust. You only gain it if policing becomes something that takes a much softer approach. Less body armour, less armed weapons, less stop and search. More of just patroling the beat, making yourself known to the community and being more of a safety net than an authority.

[mugbull]

The single greatest thing the USA could possibly do to improve race relations is end the fucking war on drugs and stop incarcerating millions and millions of low-level drug possessors

[Kikó]

Reminds me of the Wire a lot of this. If you don't break the inequality in the system and give young poor people better outcomes, then you are doomed to keep repeating the same old cycles.

Also, donning the police in military gear is a complete disaster.

[Kikó]

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Brilliant.

[Waffdon]

I don’t think he’s FBI but I’ve just finished watching it too. What a don.

[John Arne]

The thing that makes me uncomfortable is Brits and other foreigners attempting to grab their piece of what seems to me to be a distinctly American issue. I wish they showed such concern for oppressed groups everywhere and not just in the glamorous US of A.

Lewis Hamilton having a go at his fellow drivers today for not speaking out. Maybe it's because they just don't give a flying fuck about American politics.

[Lewis]

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You tell 'em lad.

[Shindig]

That took a turn. :D

[Pepe]

:lol:

[Spoonsky]

Institutional racism is the biggest red herring in the world. Maybe it exists, but it isn't the problem. It's a canvas that the political left try to paint the real problem onto, because it gives them licence to try and solve the problems in holistic ways that feel comfortable within their worldview.

The real problem is individual hateful racists - and there are a lot of them, acting independently of one another - committing acts of violence and abusing power.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaPQN0aW47I


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN_8KIpmZXs

Just one example.

[Spoonsky]

So what do you think will change?

My guess: fuck all.

I think it's an open question how to change policing in a way that will prevent these things from happening. I think a lot of people are thinking critically about that who weren't before, and it's going to be a more prominent question that politicians face when trying to get elected. That's at least a start. There's not going to be one catch-all solution, but I think it's possible that certain reforms like abolishing cash bail or decriminalizing marijuana will get accelerated.

But yes, it's always easier to be cynical. :thbup:

[Lofty]

I was going to say, didnt the Yanks literally plan towns and cities with the express purpose of keeping the non-white population on 'the wrong side of the tracks' from the get go?

It's alright though lads, David Guetta has it covered: https://twitter.com/AineMcMahon/status/1267186899287973890?s=19

[Disco]

It's not just that cynicism is easier it's that we've seen this before.

Just within my news watching memory this is Rodney King version who-knows-how-many and the story plays out the same way, lots of hand wringing in the media and some useless measures taken against a few coppers but no wide ranging social change. Same with guns, some of you flip out when your kids are gunned down at school but nothing ever actually gets done about it. I'd love to be proven wrong but I reckon this will be same once the riots blow over, a sticking plaster and then back to normal, maybe not even that seeing as you elected a racist idiot to run everything.

[mugbull]

Obviously it would be awesome to have more racially integrated neighborhoods, but it's hard because it's really not what either side wants or will choose when given the choice. Short of telling people where to live, I'm not sure if anything can fix that. Besides a general economic betterment of minority groups, of course, but that's a separate issue to this segregation talk

[mugbull]

Stuff like redlining is more debatable and as a policy clearly promotes segregation, but on some level then you also have to have the state tell insurance agencies how to price risk, and that again doesn't seem sustainable

EDIT: Though worth considering this option. I still don't think it would change underlying demographic geography, but it would be easier on those groups

[Pepe]

I think it's an open question how to change policing in a way that will prevent these things from happening. I think a lot of people are thinking critically about that who weren't before, and it's going to be a more prominent question that politicians face when trying to get elected. That's at least a start. There's not going to be one catch-all solution, but I think it's possible that certain reforms like abolishing cash bail or decriminalizing marijuana will get accelerated.

But yes, it's always easier to be cynical. :thbup:

Remember the Ferguson riots? How much did they help?

Thing is, you need thousands of police precincts to change their ways independently. Unlikely to happen.

Ending the "war on drugs", as someone said earlier, would help in putting less people in prison for sure (same as you're saying), which would be a good thing, but would it decrease "random person who did nothing was murdered because cop is a fucking idiot" incidents? I do not know.

[Spikey M]

I think it's an open question how to change policing in a way that will prevent these things from happening. I think a lot of people are thinking critically about that who weren't before, and it's going to be a more prominent question that politicians face when trying to get elected. That's at least a start. There's not going to be one catch-all solution, but I think it's possible that certain reforms like abolishing cash bail or decriminalizing marijuana will get accelerated.

But yes, it's always easier to be cynical. :thbup:

It's not cynical, it's realistic. This isn't the first time the police have brutalised a black man and kickstarted a riot.

They're doing the same shit now during the riots with President 'You start looting, we start shooting' Trumps approval.

You and your friends care, just as people your age did when Vietnam was the cause of the day. But most of the older generation are probably on the side of the police and... you know, there's been a few unnecessary wars since then regardless. People don't listen to teenagers/students.

[mugbull]

It's not cynical, it's realistic. This isn't the first time the police have brutalised a black man and kickstarted a riot.

They're doing the same shit now during the riots with President 'You start looting, we start shooting' Trumps approval.

You and your friends care, just as people your age did when Vietnam was the cause of the day. But most of the older generation are probably on the side of the police and... you know, there's been a few unnecessary wars since then regardless. People don't listen to teenagers/students.

It also doesn't help that young adults will simply never turn out to vote at the same rate as the boomers

[Spoonsky]

Obviously it would be awesome to have more racially integrated neighborhoods, but it's hard because it's really not what either side wants or will choose when given the choice. Short of telling people where to live, I'm not sure if anything can fix that. Besides a general economic betterment of minority groups, of course, but that's a separate issue to this segregation talk


Stuff like redlining is more debatable and as a policy clearly promotes segregation, but on some level then you also have to have the state tell insurance agencies how to price risk, and that again doesn't seem sustainable

EDIT: Though worth considering this option. I still don't think it would change underlying demographic geography, but it would be easier on those groups

Yeah, I don't know what the solution to the problem is today. Redlining is just an example, in response to Jimmy, of how institutional policies 1) were clearly racist 2) led to racial inequalities.

Obviously some segregation will happen naturally just because we're human. The problem is when that segregation is both clearly racist and enforced by the government.

I just realized I meant to post this video instead of the Vox one above:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5FBJyqfoLM

[Shindig]

Almost as if there's more of them.

[mugbull]

Almost as if there's more of them.

Rate, my man, rate

[Spoonsky]

It's not just that cynicism is easier it's that we've seen this before.

Just within my news watching memory this is Rodney King version who-knows-how-many and the story plays out the same way, lots of hand wringing in the media and some useless measures taken against a few coppers but no wide ranging social change. Same with guns, some of you flip out when your kids are gunned down at school but nothing ever actually gets done about it. I'd love to be proven wrong but I reckon this will be same once the riots blow over, a sticking plaster and then back to normal, maybe not even that seeing as you elected a racist idiot to run everything.


Remember the Ferguson riots? How much did they help?

Thing is, you need thousands of police precincts to change their ways independently. Unlikely to happen.

Ending the "war on drugs", as someone said earlier, would help in putting less people in prison for sure (same as you're saying), which would be a good thing, but would it decrease "random person who did nothing was murdered because cop is a fucking idiot" incidents? I do not know.


It's not cynical, it's realistic. This isn't the first time the police have brutalised a black man and kickstarted a riot.

They're doing the same shit now during the riots with President 'You start looting, we start shooting' Trumps approval.

You and your friends care, just as people your age did when Vietnam was the cause of the day. But most of the older generation are probably on the side of the police and... you know, there's been a few unnecessary wars since then regardless. People don't listen to teenagers/students.

It seems like you guys are saying that since things didn't change before in similar circumstances, they're not going to change now. And all I'm saying is that it's possible things will change, even just a little, and that believing in that possibility makes change more likely than being 'realistic' and writing it all off.

In contrast with the Ferguson protests Pepe is the fact that this is in every city in the US. And it has pierced the awareness and dominated the conversation of my mostly white circle in a way that Ferguson did not. Not that that will lead to some magical solution, but it's a difference from 2015. As I read someone on twitter saying, "you know shit's bad when they're rioting in Salt Lake City."

I mean, it's not like protests never changed anything ever.

[Lewis]

It's also fallen apart into dickhead lawlessness across the board in an election year, so it stands a solid chance of blowing up in all your faces.

[Shindig]

Police showing solidarity with the protesters might be the game-changer. At some point, police are tired of dealing with this shit too. Can change come from within?

[Giggles]

Lewis Hamilton having a go at his fellow drivers today for not speaking out. Maybe it's because they just don't give a flying fuck about American politics.

Especially when he’s one of the ‘whitest’ men on the planet.


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[Spikey M]

It seems like you guys are saying that since things didn't change before in similar circumstances, they're not going to change now. And all I'm saying is that it's possible things will change, even just a little, and that believing in that possibility makes change more likely than being 'realistic' and writing it all off.

In contrast with the Ferguson protests Pepe is the fact that this is in every city in the US. And it has pierced the awareness and dominated the conversation of my mostly white circle in a way that Ferguson did not. Not that that will lead to some magical solution, but it's a difference from 2015. As I read someone on twitter saying, "you know shit's bad when they're rioting in Salt Lake City."

I mean, it's not like protests never changed anything ever.

Hopefully you're right but I doubt it to the point of near certainty. Sandy Hook is probably the most tragic thing to happen in recent memory. It's inconceivable and downright immoral that no change came off the back of it. And yet...

[Pepe]

It seems like you guys are saying that since things didn't change before in similar circumstances, they're not going to change now. And all I'm saying is that it's possible things will change, even just a little, and that believing in that possibility makes change more likely than being 'realistic' and writing it all off.

It could change, but "the conversation" hasn't moved an inch forward from "institutional racism", so I am not setting my hopes too high.


In contrast with the Ferguson protests Pepe is the fact that this is in every city in the US. And it has pierced the awareness and dominated the conversation of my mostly white circle in a way that Ferguson did not. Not that that will lead to some magical solution, but it's a difference from 2015. As I read someone on twitter saying, "you know shit's bad when they're rioting in Salt Lake City."

No offense, but this is nothing but a hobby in our circles. A way to be part of something. Like the Women's march of the Science march or whatever.

Fwiw, it is not like I think that things will NEVER change. They slowly but surely do. I just don't think some white kids "rioting" in Salt Lake City means much.

[Spoonsky]

It's also fallen apart into dickhead lawlessness across the board in an election year, so it stands a solid chance of blowing up in all your faces.

That's true. I guess everyone should just put their anger aside for six months and come back in December.

[mugbull]

That's true. I guess everyone should just put their anger aside for six months and come back in December.

You say that sarcastically, but yeah, they should. Especially if Trump is re-elected and then riot even harder

[Spikey M]

Wait until the cop gets cleared of all charges.

[Giggles]

Massive crowd of wankers protesting in Dublin at the minute too. Must need a few flat screens for lockdown.

[Boydy]

Ignore these cynical fucks, Spoon. Go burn something.

[Shindig]

Cause of death is asphyxia. I can't see the copper getting off with this now.

[Spoonsky]

You say that sarcastically, but yeah, they should. Especially if Trump is re-elected and then riot even harder

That’s not how anger works unless you’re a robot. Besides nobody would’ve remembered this in six months if there weren’t the protests right now. Just like you probably know who Michael Brown is but not Philando Castile.

Cornel West said it well the other day, it would be disturbing if these tapes came out and there weren’t people in the streets.

[mugbull]

I know it's not how anger works and I know it's gonna happen regardless, but Lewis is right there. Like I said earlier, rioting has been a thing forever and it never works in the rioting group's favor, unless the rioting happens with a mission in mind which it isn't here.

[Don]

Cornel West said it well the other day, it would be disturbing if these tapes came out and there weren’t people in the streets.

This is the absolute truth of it and makes it all very simple to understand.

I just can't believe there's not been more deaths when cops, business owners and grannies are rolling with a shottie and a Desert Eagle.

[Spoonsky]

@mok

I agree that Lewis might be right (not that things have been so great with Democratic presidents either). But I find it kind of disconcerting the way you and other people I know can coolly and objectively critique their tactics, and how rioting might be detrimental to their cause.

As an American, do you not feel any investment or responsibility in the cause represented by these protests? Isn’t it everyone’s cause?

[mugbull]

In any case most protests have been pretty peaceful. I think a majority of people realize what’s at stake

[Pepe]

Cornel West said it well the other day, it would be disturbing if these tapes came out and there weren’t people in the streets.

I mean, I agree with that. I am all for riots. I just don't think they'll do much.

[mugbull]

@mok

I agree that Lewis might be right (not that things have been so great with Democratic presidents either). But I find it kind of disconcerting the way you and other people I know can coolly and objectively critique their tactics, and how rioting might be detrimental to their cause.

As an American, do you not feel any investment or responsibility in the cause represented by these protests? Isn’t it everyone’s cause?

Look at it this way. More people will have a negative opinion about black people than 2 weeks ago. If the focus stayed on the murder, everyone could get behind that. The problem is these riots always happen after the fact, so even though most protests are peaceful, things get out of hand and big parts of communities are destroyed. But more importantly, people go from empathizing with the man and the community as a whole to being afraid of them again. It’s inevitable, but sad, and it truly does hurt their cause.


People keep saying that neighborhoods can be rebuilt etc but studies show huge deteriorations, divestment, loss of business in areas that are hotspots of riots. It’s not making anyone’s lives better.

As for me saying “their cause”, well, it is their cause. I can support it and advocate for it but it’s their cause, not mine.

[Spoonsky]

In any case most protests have been pretty peaceful. I think a majority of people realize what’s at stake


I mean, I agree with that. I am all for riots. I just don't think they'll do much.

:thbup:

I think what some people including myself have found frustrating, and I know this board is a different context than most so I’m talking more generally, is how ready a lot of people are to condemn the riots while remaining either silent or fatalistic about the murder itself.

[Spikey M]

Anyone that isn't a cunt understands what's happening and why. The attitude of the Police in the US is disgusting, especially towards those of darker hues. It has been that way since the inception of your country.

It's a funny old country, America. It's all about FREEDOM, but you have some of the most invasive Police forces in the world and they are treated as sacrosanct. Fucking Boomers.

[Pepe]

My man Lewis might be the BEST POSTER EVAR!, but the way he always focuses on the looting as if everyone was part of it or that was the only thing going on does bother me a bit.

[Don]

These differing autopsy results sound a major development but coverage seems low-key.

[mugbull]

My man Lewis might be the BEST POSTER EVAR!, but the way he always focuses on the looting as if everyone was part of it or that was the only thing going on does bother me a bit.

Teacher's pet finally makes (sort of) a stand - let's see how it plays out

[Lewis]

It's the only thing with a shelf life. Matey isn't coming back to life; the police aren't reforming any time soon; etc. etc. Meanwhile lol you've trashed your community, sullied the original protest, and you're probably going to prison for two years over a pair of trainers.

[Pepe]

Focusing on the looters, though, that is usually used to ignore the problem that caused the riots in the first place and/or to say "see, they are savages, so they had it coming."

It (looting) is definitely a bonehead approach, but you can't control everyone.

[Spoonsky]

My man Lewis might be the BEST POSTER EVAR!, but the way he always focuses on the looting as if everyone was part of it or that was the only thing going on does bother me a bit.

Yeah, that’s it. It’s an extremely revealing behaviour shared by many whites in the US.

Hell, I don’t like the riots either. I just think they’re slightly besides the point.

[Pepe]

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2020/06/01/madden-nfl-21-announcement-delayed/


Electronic Arts had planned to today announce Madden NFL 21, the latest annual sequel in their American football series. But in light of the protests, unrest, and violence in America right now after Minneapolis police killed unarmed Black man George Floyd, it didn’t seem the time. “Our immediate attention is on actions we can take to drive change against the unjust treatment and systemic bias that is plaguing the nation and our world,” EA Sports said in a surprising statement.

:harold:

[Shindig]

Sony did the same with the Playstation 5 reveal.

[Spoonsky]

It's the only thing with a shelf life. Matey isn't coming back to life; the police aren't reforming any time soon; etc. etc. Meanwhile lol you've trashed your community, sullied the original protest, and you're probably going to prison for two years over a pair of trainers.

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Yeah lol at these idiots, why don’t they just shut up and take it?

That’s what you’re saying.

[Shindig]

Not to mention all the whites' being pushed over in Phonics' posts. Policing is fundamentally wrong in the United States.

[Lewis]

Focusing on the looters, though, that is usually used to ignore the problem that caused the riots in the first place and/or to say "see, they are savages, so they had it coming."

It (looting) is definitely a bonehead approach, but you can't control everyone.

There is an element of self-fulfilment in it, which is what my original point was about. Black people kill each other in stupendous numbers, as well as killing a disproportionate amount of police officers; and then they wonder why the police are 'militarised' and operate with their tails up.

[Spoonsky]

Ah, yes, the one where black people are to blame for centuries of oppression and segregation, and racism doesn’t exist.

You could’ve been an alt right star if you weren’t such a shut-in Lewis.

Edit It’s especially remarkable for a history student to so thoroughly overlook the history of these things.

[Pepe]

While this:


Black people kill each other in stupendous numbers, as well as killing a disproportionate amount of police officers.

might be factually true, it still does not in any way justify cops who killed innocent, unarmed civilians walking free.

[Spikey M]

It's been a bad few weeks for Lewis. He's going to need a strong summer.

[Pepe]

This has always been his stance, nothing new here.

[Shindig]

He's our Brian Clough. It gets to a point where all you can say is, "It's good to see him in good health." when he starts talking shite.

[mugbull]

Almost as if "having no filter" and knowing a lot about nuclear-era politics doesn't particularly make you good at anything else

[Boydy]

Trump's out walking in the street now after his speech.

:cab:

[Don]

On verge of meltdown outside White House now. Peaceful protesters getting rushed and tear-gassed on live TV. This is an escalation.

[Boydy]

On verge of meltdown outside White House now. Peaceful protesters getting rushed and tear-gassed on live TV. This is an escalation.

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[Manc]

The state of Lewis. You're from Hull.

[phonics]

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[Lewis]

It would be a pretty uncontroversial point in literally any other context. If you tried to argue, for example, that Israel acts like it does simply because they don't like Palestinians on some innate 'institutional' level it wouldn't pass as a serious analysis, yet we're expected to buy that this stuff all happens in a racist isolation chamber because of slavery and Jim Crow and how Joe Louis got stiffed on his taxes. It's a bit simplistic even on a superficial level, let alone when you get into the statistics and see that the police are equally as likely to waste unarmed white people. That would suggest that the police are just a bit crap (or at least more confrontational and/or unstable because guns), which when you throw them into 'communities' with disproportionate amounts of violent crime... What do you expect?

With that in mind, police reform seems a bit pointless other than in a general sense (as Pepe said), and how likely is that when literally anyone you approach could be carrying the means to blow your head off? Meanwhile, why not sort your own community out and make it less of a violent sinkhole liable to attract heavy-handed policing? Again, that might take a while, and you may well be up against racist disadvantages (including deluded white whoppers infantalising your actions and reducing you to part of some haunted grievance mass); but at the very least you could not make your fate worse on every conceivable level with the full spectrum of negative stereotype behaviours.

[Boydy]

Save yourself some time and just type out the n-word.

[Don]

Governor of Illinois has just gone in on him both in a direct call as well as on CNN. He's a goner. Someone ought to save his ass and assasinate him.

[Don]

I thought the COVID pressers were good but I could watch CNN for the next 8 hours. You can almost taste the imminent scenes. Cuomo now laying into him.

[Queenslander]

Hopefully in November young people vote and flip the Senate and the Whitehouse.

[Queenslander]

Imagine Jon Jones confronting you...


When the protests spilt over into Albuquerque on Sunday night, Jones was quick to confront two teenagers carry spray cans, demanding they hand them over to him in a video posted online.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/ufc/ufc-news-jon-jones-confronting-rioters-video-george-floyd-death-riots-dana-white/news-story/991a6b4ba9a1117eda60b11833cb4443

[Kikó]

I don't think I've ever seen teeteeaitch turn on Lewis before. Monumental scenes.

[mugbull]

The police really are responding with a crazy amount of force. Peaceful protesters getting beaten by police with batons and tear gassed. I almost want the cops to open fire so we can justify some more shit and to bring Trump out of his lobster shell

[Smjffy]

Lifetime to build, seconds to break, forever to repair.

[Shindig]

On the BBC ticker I've seen two stories about police being fired upon and one about a couple of New York cops being ran over.

[Disco]

Lifetime to build, seconds to break, forever to repair.

Ooh, I know this one. Is it Lego?

[Shindig]

I'm going with an Ikea bookshelf.

[Giggles]

I thought my instagram or connection was fucked for a while this morning before I realised everyone was solving the worlds problems on it :rolleyes:

[Queenslander]

I thought my instagram or connection was fucked for a while this morning before I realised everyone was solving the worlds problems on it :rolleyes:

Mine is the same and from suspects that dont give a shit about Aboriginal deaths in custody down here and happily booed Adam Goodes out of the AFL. Lololol

Edit: If I was funny I would upload this Chinese flag to my timeline.

[Don]

This was all fun and games but one of my melty friends has been empowered to such a degree by all this shit he's accused me of being a racist this morning, the fucking soft chocolate chip cookie.

[John]

These differing autopsy results sound a major development but coverage seems low-key.

Some here, though possibly only Lewis, will remember me posting about my neighbour being killed a few years ago.

Their state ME's report, that Floyd died of a heart attack which may or may not have been caused by the stress of having his throat compressed, is the same thing they said happened to my neighbour. A twat had grabbed him by the throat and pushed him up against the wall, at which point he had a heart attack and died. Twat was convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to, I think, six years.

There was no racial component and twat wasn't a policeman so the cause of death is the only point of comparison, but I'll be interested to see how that compares to whatever slap on the wrist the dickhead policeman there gets.

[Bernanke]

The White House video that they cleared out the church for is the most laughable thing I've seen in a while.

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He's always been a petulant child, but it just amazes me that people can look at that and go "yep, that's my leader".

[Pepe]

It's a bit simplistic even on a superficial level, let alone when you get into the statistics and see that the police are equally as likely to waste unarmed white people. That would suggest that the police are just a bit crap (or at least more confrontational and/or unstable because guns), which when you throw them into 'communities' with disproportionate amounts of violent crime... What do you expect?

That I agree with.


Meanwhile, why not sort your own community out and make it less of a violent sinkhole liable to attract heavy-handed policing? Again, that might take a while, and you may well be up against racist disadvantages (including deluded white whoppers infantalising your actions and reducing you to part of some haunted grievance mass); but at the very least you could not make your fate worse on every conceivable level with the full spectrum of negative stereotype behaviours.

That too. While the situation you are in might not be your fault at all, you are, ultimately, the one best placed to improve it. It is a bloody steep as fuck uphill battle in the US though.

[Lewis]

The White House video that they cleared out the church for is the most laughable thing I've seen in a while.

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He's always been a petulant child, but it just amazes me that people can look at that and go "yep, that's my leader".

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On the other hand, how demented by him do you have to be to consider that?

[Spikey M]

Romans 13:

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience

He's taking the Bible at its word if anything.

[John]

His Twitter name is quality. Fredward, the cardigan wearer's Jedward.

[Henry]

Hi there. Enjoying the apocalypse, fuckers?

Lewis seems to be causing a stir over the last couple of pages. But he literally thinks that anti-Hitler resistance was pointless so you can hardly expect him to have a hard on for anti-Trump resistance.

[niko_cee]

For all Trump's many shortcomings is this issue really anything to do with him?

I don't really understand the US police system, or in fact many facets of their society, but somewhere between it being insanely politicised/partisan and every fucker potentially having a gun it seems to have gone wrong.

I'm sure Mert will be along shortly to affirm that actually everything is fine as life in the 'burbs continues unhindered.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

It was a problem a long time before he came into power and will probably be a problem for a long time to come.

He has been making things worse though.

[Lewis]

I remember that. It was the White Rose specifically. But yes, obviously my views on the practical value of protesting under the Third Reich, which cut their heads off for leafleting, informs how I view all political demonstrations.

[Spoonsky]

For all Trump's many shortcomings is this issue really anything to do with him?

I don't really understand the US police system, or in fact many facets of their society, but somewhere between it being insanely politicised/partisan and every fucker potentially having a gun it seems to have gone wrong.

I'm sure Mert will be along shortly to affirm that actually everything is fine as life in the 'burbs continues unhindered.

Nah, the same shit was happening under Obama. The difference is that Trump actually sides openly with the white supremacists.

[phonics]

A politician turned up in his constituency and said directly ‘if I didn’t have a primary, I wouldn’t care’

This is why this whole ‘vote D’ is total nonsense.

[Boydy]

Vote for Biden, he only wants to shoot you in the leg, not the chest.

[Shindig]

https://www.odmp.org/search/year/2020

This is kind of bleak. Admittedly, there's a lot of Covid deaths, car accidents and even a 9/11 related cancer in there.

[phonics]

https://www.odmp.org/search/year/2020

This is kind of bleak. Admittedly, there's a lot of Covid deaths, car accidents and even a 9/11 related cancer in there.

The top one being for 9/11 related cancer that the Senate is still refusing to pay for is fucking hilarious.

These sick fucks in power give no shits about the police, just their role in keeping the people they don't like in their place.

Last 2 NYPD officers who died from gunshot were friendly fire.

[phonics]

Vote for Biden, he only wants to shoot you in the leg, not the chest.

"He'll place his knee on your neck until you pass out, not die! Biden 2020"

I'm getting in trouble on social media for not being pro 'Blackout Tuesday'.

[phonics]

Seperate protest but I just wanted to share because it's hilarious. This is why they shoot tear gas at people not confront them:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270326079648956433/717467987287867543/EZYEwDOX0AINc85.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270326079648956433/717468024676024380/EZYEwDcXgAE3OQb.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270326079648956433/717468074198171708/EZYEwDwXgAAf2pc.png

Roman Reigns would have been proud of that one.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

He would, especially as he's shit at spears.

[Shindig]

Standing start, as well.

[Don]

They've just wheeled out George's missus and kid in a presser and let me tell you, I'm ready to fight each and every one of you cunts (Sincere aside) :cry:

[phonics]

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Professional gaslighting

[Don]

I just can't believe there's not been more deaths when cops, business owners and grannies are rolling with a shottie and a Desert Eagle.

Looks like a good few cops are starting to get shot at and CNN just showed some cracking footage of some looters running over a policeman at speed.

[Queenslander]

How long untill the white militias start shooting the protesters?

[Pepe]

There was a drive-by shooting in the little town I live in last night. What a country.

[Queenslander]

Lol

https://i.ibb.co/KjSL2NH/FB-IMG-1591136434730.jpg (https://ibb.co/N6bm91z)

[Queenslander]

there was a drive-by shooting in the little town i live in last night. What a country.

rip

[Don]

The Portuguese gyppo is way ahead of the game regarding above...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZierlBWoAYAY9p?format=jpg&name=large

[Queenslander]

Ticks all the boxes.

[Lewis]

Always good to see the big brands getting in on that stuff as well. Hang on lads when China were... And you've got a drone through the roof.

[Lewis]

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lmao

[Manc]

Did it land in a cup?

[phonics]

What did they throw? And what kind of glass is that? I've never seen a window where single glazing is on the inside shatter like that.

The rock or whatever it is seems to take an age to get to the window yet it's powerful enough to do that? At that distance, up 3 storeys and across a park that things travelling at 15mph max. How is it doing that?

[Boydy]

That Spike Lee interview on the BBC news was good. Good to hear someone actually say this sort of thing on tv and it be on the 6pm news.


"The land was stolen from native people, genocide was committed against the native people, and ancestors were stolen from Africa and brought here to work," he said.

"So the foundation of the United States of America is genocide, stealing land and slavery."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/entertainment-arts-52890620

[phonics]

Don’t think Spike Lee is the messenger I want but I’ll take it.

[Don]

Ya, caught my ear on 10pm news, too.

I see tear gas is in full flow in Paris now. Apparently protesting some other geezer called Adama Traore (do they have any other names available in Mali?). Just glad there isn't an imminent economic crash or else I reckon things could have got tasty on a global level.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

What did they throw? And what kind of glass is that? I've never seen a window where single glazing is on the inside shatter like that.

The rock or whatever it is seems to take an age to get to the window yet it's powerful enough to do that? At that distance, up 3 storeys and across a park that things travelling at 15mph max. How is it doing that?

Tempered glass.

Designed to break into small crystals rather than just large chunks like regular glass.

[Lewis]

Why does the bullshit cultural foundation narrative cut off before they ended slavery and defeated twentieth century totalitarianism (which the genociding was the antecedent to)? And then you get into what historical traumas do to the victim points differentials on Jews and Asians, let alone the poor cunt indigenous fellas who would swap their third world conditions for a few police killings any day of the week.

[Spoonsky]

:D

You’re seething.

[Lewis]

It's more of a gentle simmer, but the bad history is annoying.

[Spoonsky]

You’re the kind of person who suddenly cares about the plight of indigenous people only when it can be used to minimize that of blacks. It’s not some bizarre competition, and most people aware of the historical legacy of slavery are also aware of the genocide of native Americans (see: Spike Lee).

People are bringing up the (immense) contribution of black people to American culture because it stands in such marked contrast to the position of black people in American society. It’s a pretty simple point.

[Lewis]

I don't suddenly care about the plight of the dear old Red Indians. I don't care at all. I'm using them as an easy way of showing how illogical that particular narrative is when you take it beyond its pointlessly ahistorical parameters.

[Spoonsky]

I don't care at all.

You could’ve posted this up front and saved yourself the trouble of a dozen posts over the past few days. It’s all you’ve been saying in this thread since the video first emerged.

[niko_cee]

The expansion into 'the new world' (with all the attendant eradication of indigenous types) and slavery does often feel a bit analogous to football only starting in 1991 or whatever it was. There was nothing noteworthy prior to these events in the entirety of human history. Everything stems from there.

[mugbull]

You’re the kind of person who suddenly cares about the plight of indigenous people only when it can be used to minimize that of blacks.

Exactly this. It’s a classic right-wing tactic. Hell, Trumpo uses it most days

[Queenslander]

Easy there big fella.

[Shindig]

At times like this you realise how much the Civil Rights movement was lightning in a bottle. Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, etc all being at the right time. I can't think of any strong black leaders on that level and America suffers badly for it.

[Queenslander]

Obama if he wasnt comprimised by Wall Street and Tech.

[Kikó]

Come on. You're assuming you would know who any of those guys were in the 60s. There are probably numerous black leaders but you don't pay attention to US politics that closely.

[Queenslander]

Nina Turner is one she is Bernie's no 2.

[Shindig]

Even in his post-President days, he's so peripheral. The more time goes on, I like him less and less.

[Queenslander]

Him not backing Bernie somes him up.

[mugbull]

Him not backing Bernie somes him up.

Biden was literally his VP. Him not backing Bernie, whom nobody seems to believe in very much, is the least surprising thing about him

[Queenslander]

Neo-Liberal scum!

[Bernanke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FuQeT7azq8&feature=emb_title

This is what they got up to within a week. :eyemouth:

The drive by pepper spraying at 10 minutes in. :D

[Queenslander]

Failed State

Long live Mao!!

[Manc]

That's certainly one way to achieve herd immunity.

[Shindig]

Nobody's in control of any of that. Christ.

[Lewis]

You could’ve posted this up front and saved yourself the trouble of a dozen posts over the past few days. It’s all you’ve been saying in this thread since the video first emerged.

It's interesting, and as a cynical person I'm finding it all a bit hysterical (religious mentalism is a much better catch-all cultural explanation of America than slavery) and think it will probably prove to be counter-productive. That's about it. That's the 'side' I'm on.

[Ian]

Oh, Trump was inspecting the bunker.

[Kikó]

It's interesting, and as a cynical person I'm finding it all a bit hysterical (religious mentalism is a much better catch-all cultural explanation of America than slavery) and think it will probably prove to be counter-productive. That's about it. That's the 'side' I'm on.

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thread on mentalism^

[Shindig]

Cruel Vulgarian's going to be the title of my next metal album. Also Trudeau using the phrase, "Racialised Canadians" sounded very, very off.

[Lewis]

It's more so the evangelical mindset than that tenuous dot-to-dot, but it runs right through their history and how they approach the rest of the world. What works there works everywhere, because why wouldn't it? You're covered for bombing democracy into goat shaggers right the way up to the universalist, quasi-religious idiocy you're currently seeing in defence of all this.

[Manc]

Floyd flying soft for the majority of the shoot. Cancel the protest.

[Lewis]

Maybe that first autopsy was right.

[Shindig]

Chauvin's has his charges upped and the three others are being charged with third degree murder.

[Giggles]

Chauvin's has his charges upped and the three others are being charged with third degree murder.

Lewis is getting the t-shirt’s printed as we speak.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

Took them long enough.

[Lewis]

Doesn't that mean he wanted to kill him rather than just not caring if he did? They might be reaching with that one.

[Shindig]

A second situation that constitutes second-degree murder is where the perpetrator intends only to cause serious bodily harm but knows that death could result from the act.

I think they're going with that.

[Lewis]

I see. Even that though, provided it was an approved/taught restraint technique, it seems quite difficult to prove anything other than indifference. We could really use Bartholomert and a qualified legal opinion.

[Giggles]

Doesn't that mean he wanted to kill him rather than just not caring if he did? They might be reaching with that one.

Was there not history there?

[Shindig]

I see. Even that though, provided it was an approved/taught restraint technique, it seems quite difficult to prove anything other than indifference. We could really use Bartholomert and a qualified legal opinion.

Well, it's funny you mention indifference to human life. That's also covered by 2nd degree.

[Lewis]

On the definition you've posted he could say he didn't intend to cause serious bodily harm because he was just restraining him as taught.

[Sir Andy Mahowry]

He left his knee on him for over 2 minutes after one of the other officers couldn't find a pulse.

If he didn't want him dead he could have gotten off him and then administered CPR (or instructed someone else).

[Lewis]

Maybe. But they might end up blowing it.

[Don]

We did it boys. Well, I did it with taking a knee at 6pm and my relentless sharing of tweets on whatsapp but I couldn't have done it without the support and love of all my fans. Big respect.

Have it, Lewis.

[Kikó]

I'm pretty sure that knee restraint was banned but you know, Lewis is probably right.

[Shindig]

https://nypost.com/2020/06/03/man-with-wolverine-claws-knives-threatens-protesters-in-nyc/

Step aside, crossbow man.

[Kikó]

Okay not banned but only should be used in times of restraint in that state. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/29/george-floyd-experts-say-neck-restraint-allowed-minneapolis-can-kill/5274334002/

[Spoonsky]

https://nypost.com/2020/06/02/george-floyd-had-violent-criminal-history-minneapolis-union-chief/

They are absolutely broken.