U.S. Presidential Election 2016 (Sponsored by Betty Croker's Hamburger Helper)

[wullie]

Top flight gilet work from Mert.

[phonics]

I've long disagreed with Hannan but always thought he came across as quite a sensible man. I didn't realise that he was in fact, a bit of a nutter.

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No-one Daniel? No-one?

P.S. Love that John Bolton has 'Ambassador' in his Twitter name despite not holding an ambassadorial role in a decade and lasted all of 18 months.

[mugbull]

How is it any different than states refusing to issue marriage licenses? Refusing to implement and enforce federal law is neo-Confederate treason, simple as that.

Stop responding to my shit

[phonics]

In the modjern era, he can legally respond to you as much as he likes unless you say 'Don't @ me'. It's the law.

[mugbull]

God bless phonics for kids

[Mazuuurk]

Ah, I finally understand Mert.

He's so fucking daft he must be illiterate. At some point he confused "Armenian" with "American" and then he just rolled with it as much as he could.

[phonics]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cxifb5tXAAAifZO.jpg

The level of debate is just too damn high.

[Disco]

It's almost as if that wasn't a well thought out policy.

[phonics]

Jeff Sessions for AG... Christ. It's gonna be a real depressing few years.

[Lewis]

THE DONALD is coming to get us!

*pisses his pants.*

You should claim to be an illegal and then they will house/protect you forever.

[Spoonsky]

For everyone saying that Trump will be held in check by those around him, most of the people he appoints will be far worse than he is.

[Lewis]

I've long disagreed with Hannan but always thought he came across as quite a sensible man. I didn't realise that he was in fact, a bit of a nutter.



No-one Daniel? No-one?

P.S. Love that John Bolton has 'Ambassador' in his Twitter name despite not holding an ambassadorial role in a decade and lasted all of 18 months.

You get the impression that he wants to be a non-interventionist, but he loves America (and 'freedom and democracy') far too much to not occasionally end up all over the place.

[Jimmy Floyd]

We all love America too much. Most of our political class seems to be utterly dazzled by it. Still, lol at all those Labour activists who flew over to help the Clinton campaign.

[Pepe]

Goddamn dude. "Sanctuary cities" is a shit name but it's a totally justified type of protest if you believe that deportation is a fucked up policy proposal. It's actually something with tangible benefits, and at the very least forces local governments to make a decision about how closely theyre going to follow federal laws. Don't lump it in with all the other shit.

'Sanctuary cities' might be all well and good (I think mert raises decent questions on this one though) but this wouldn't be a city, only a campus. Do you really think people are going to be arrested during class? Not that we have any undocumented students as far as I know*. The lol part, however, is the whole 'protect us from Trump!' shit. Someone should probably tell them how many people their hero Obama deported. If they really cared about deportation, well, they are eight years late to the party. This is nothing but yet another 'I don't like the outcome of democracy so I'll toss my toys out' moment.

*When I was in MDC, where there were a lot of undocumented students, I knew professors who had extensive knowledge of which universities took undocumented students and which didn't. At the time, WashU did not take undocumented students. That was several years ago so things might have changed but I doubt it.

[mugbull]

If you justify anything with "deal with democracy", there will be literally no checks on democracy. If something is genuinely fucked, you try to garner support for protest or resistance, not sit around pretending everythings chill and laughing at the plebs for trying to do something

[Pepe]

Alright.

[Pepe]

So what is the 'genuinely fucked' thing happening that this people are trying to 'resist?'

EDIT: I was all for the protests regarding adjuncts work conditions btw. No one gave a shit about that though, I think there were like 100 people in the 'walkout.'

[Spammer]

People can try and change the system if they want to, but the people moaning or saying that the result isn't valid because of the current system are fucking stupid. Trump won, fair and square by the system they're working with over there. There's a higher principle at stake which some people feel happy to ignore.

[Bartholomert]

You must be trolling.

If you aren't..... all these scientist (like, 98% of them, on all sides of the political spectrum)... what is the benefit from this great conspiracy? What is the end game for them? They can't all have shares in Wind Power projects.....

Who do you think pays for their funding? But perhaps more influentially, they want to see environmental reforms for personal political reasons.

And for the record the 98% figure is FALSE, by continuously restating that dogma you are either lying or shockingly ignorant:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/#4ba5ec1c7187

[Pepe]

You should claim to be an illegal and then they will house/protect you forever.

I really haven't taken enough advantage of this so far although, as discussed before, I don't really count as a POC for most things since I am an actual Mexican. Still, if I apply for academic jobs over here I will go balls deep into my heritage and my life experiences.

[Bartholomert]

Stop responding to my shit

lol pussy, special millennial snowflake can't handle having to actually explain the logical inconsistencies of his emotion based world view shocker

[Pepe]

Who do you think pays for their funding? And the 98% figure is FALSE, by continuously restating that dogma you are either lying or shockingly ignorant:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/#4ba5ec1c7187

Is this the same one we went over before?

I met Alex Epstein a few months ago. While I disagree with the 'war on fossil fuels' I also don't really like his outlook on things. It was also lol to see him chimp out at hecklers during his presentation, especially when you consider that he offers workshops on 'how to speak to left wing environmentalist nutters.'

[Bartholomert]

(The answer is that it's a strong majority but short of 97%)

[Bartholomert]

Ah, I finally understand Mert.

He's so fucking daft he must be illiterate. At some point he confused "Armenian" with "American" and then he just rolled with it as much as he could.

I thought ethnic background and nationality were seperate you disgusting bigot, those Somalians immigrants gang raping your women are just as Swedish as you are !

[Bartholomert]

If you justify anything with "deal with democracy", there will be literally no checks on democracy. If something is genuinely fucked, you try to garner support for protest or resistance, not sit around pretending everythings chill and laughing at the plebs for trying to do something

So are you advocating for revolutionary overthrow of the government or...what's the point here aside from I don't like democracy when the outcomes are contrary to my personal views.

Honestly if you see progressive ideology as a religion filling the spiritual void left in the minds of millennials raised in a post-modern society, all of their behaviors / attitudes are tiresomely formulaic, primitive and predictable.

[John Arne]

Who do you think pays for their funding? But perhaps more influentially, they want to see environmental reforms for personal political reasons.

And for the record the 98% figure is FALSE, by continuously restating that dogma you are either lying or shockingly ignorant:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/#4ba5ec1c7187

He pretty miuch admits that it is correct in the 5th paragraph.



If you look at the literature, the specific meaning of the 97% claim is: 97 percent of climate scientists agree that there is a global warming trend and that human beings are the main cause–that is, that we are over 50% responsible. The warming is a whopping 0.8 degrees over the past 150 years, a warming that has tapered off to essentially nothing in the last decade and a half.


Well, yeah. Also, it isn't "tapering off" http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

Also, Eppstein isn't even a climate scientist.... he majored in Philosophy.

[Pepe]

Also, Eppstein isn't even a climate scientist.... he majored in Philosophy.

He never tries to hide that fact though.

I don't think that discredits his stance. His rather narrow view of progress does.

[Bartholomert]

For everyone saying that Trump will be held in check by those around him, most of the people he appoints will be far worse than he is.

So your generic middle of the road Republican is now a problem? If you truly believe your party's democratic opposition is by default an apocalyptic threat, there is an issue with how detached you are from reality. Half of the country isn't insane.

[phonics]

John Sessions was blocked by a bipartisan vote from becoming a federal judge because he's a racist. I wouldn't call him a middle of the road republican. He's just been given the highest prosecution job in the land.

[Pepe]

So your generic middle of the road Republican is now a problem?

Yes. :)


Half of the country isn't insane.

Agreed. It is a lot more than half.

[Boydy]

There was something on Radio 4 on my way home about Trump and his potential relations with Russia. They had a clip from Aleksandr Dugin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin) on it and just introduced him as a 'political scientist'.

Here's the flag of the political party he used to be the leader of:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/National_Bolshevik_Party.svg/180px-National_Bolshevik_Party.svg.png

[Bartholomert]

John Sessions was blocked by a bipartisan vote from becoming a federal judge because he's a racist. I wouldn't call him a middle of the road republican. He's just been given the highest prosecution job in the land.

...you sure about that :henn0rz: ?

[phonics]

...you sure about that :henn0rz: ?

YUP

On June 5, 1986, the Committee voted 10–8 against recommending the nomination to the Senate floor, with Republican Senators Charles Mathias (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Mathias) of Maryland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland) and Arlen Specter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlen_Specter) of Pennsylvania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania) voting with the Democrats. It then split 9–9 on a vote to send Sessions' nomination to the Senate floor with no recommendation, this time with Specter in support. A majority was required for the nomination to proceed.[19] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Sessions#cite_note-19) The pivotal votes against Sessions came from his home state's Democratic Senator Howell Heflin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howell_Heflin) of Alabama (ironically, Sessions would succeed Heflin in the Senate just a decade later). Although Heflin had previously backed Sessions, he began to oppose Sessions after hearing testimony, concluding that there were "reasonable doubts" over Sessions' ability to be "fair and impartial." The nomination was withdrawn on July 31, 1986.[13] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Sessions#cite_note-Goldman_1999_p309-13)

[Bartholomert]

No I know I messed up the bolding which made the joke complete / more obvious

[GS]

John Sessions was blocked by a bipartisan vote from becoming a federal judge because he's a racist. I wouldn't call him a middle of the road republican. He's just been given the highest prosecution job in the land.

Interesting that you're so well versed in his career that you can proffer an informed opinion and yet not even get his name right. Unless you're referring to the British comedian, in which case it would be quite a shock if he was appointed AG.

[Henry]

It's come to something when I see the prospect of Mitt Romney as Secretary of State as a thing to be hoped for...

[ItalAussie]

Honestly if you see progressive ideology as a religion filling the spiritual void left in the minds of millennials raised in a post-modern society, all of their behaviors / attitudes are tiresomely formulaic, primitive and predictable.
As religion has become less influential in the west, politics has become dramatically more tribal on both sides. It's probably not a coincidence.

[Boydy]

https://www.buzzfeed.com/tahliapritchard/no-thank-u?utm_term=.evdXRb4yk#.njjmq62KL

It's shit like this that helped Trump win.

[Pepe]

Gentrification on a plate. :D

[Shindig]

3 lawsuits settled. 72 remain. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38021820)

[Jimmy Floyd]

Chocolate as we know it is white people 'ruining' a bitter indigenous South American drink by adding sugar.

[GS]

It's come to something when I see the prospect of Mitt Romney as Secretary of State as a thing to be hoped for...

This is part of the problem as well. You (in the plural, generalised sense) vilify someone like Mitt Romney to the extent you do, and all sense of credibility and perspective has been lost.

It's much the same in the UK, where the left refer to the Tories as "Tory scum", "evil" or "Nazis". Great. What language is left to direct towards the more extreme elements of UKIP or the BNP? There isn't any, so people don't listen when they're told that these more extreme elements are nutters because "you say that about everyone". So you've lost perspective, and thus the argument.

Romney would be a very good appointment as Secretary of State - not just the lesser of two evils.

[Shindig]

The media has laid some deep roots in that, too. You get sensationalist ends of the spectrum for the sake of circulation and article hits.

[niko_cee]

I assume that ruining thing is more than a little tongue in cheek, but I still like the idea of 'white people' ruining croissants.

[Offshore Toon]

i wonder how well an article about brown people ruining everything would go down.

[Lewis]

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:cool:

[Spoonsky]

So your generic middle of the road Republican is now a problem? If you truly believe your party's democratic opposition is by default an apocalyptic threat, there is an issue with how detached you are from reality. Half of the country isn't insane.

Where did I say that? There are a lot of fine Republicans. Mitt Romney would be a fine Secretary of State, potentially better than Clinton and Kerry were (odd how that position is basically 'failed presidential candidate' now). Chris Christie's a dickhead wannabe, but he would be fine doing whatever. Plenty of randomers from Congress would be just fine. Jeff Sessions and Steve Bannon aren't middle of the road, or at least I dearly hope they're not.

[phonics]

President Trump calls for theatres to become safe spaces.

[GS]

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He's doing it on purpose, and yet people continue to bite. Presumably there would be less biting in the absence of a desire to be outraged.

[Boydy]

I assume that ruining thing is more than a little tongue in cheek, but I still like the idea of 'white people' ruining croissants.

I don't think it is. I've seen people seriously discuss the 'cultural appropriation' of food.

[GS]

They'll be Guardian columnists.

[Magic]

Just watched that Anthony Weiner Storyville. Typical Democrat,; loud and proud but a filthy, seedy, corrupt pervert at heart.

[Shindig]

I watched HyperNormalism tonight. If there's a pearly gates reconstruction of my life, I want Adam Curtis to present it. I'm not sure how to feel about any of the things he shows in that. Trump's charge to the White House being straight out of the Kremlin playbook is eye-opening.

[Bartholomert]

I watched HyperNormalism tonight. If there's a pearly gates reconstruction of my life, I want Adam Curtis to present it. I'm not sure how to feel about any of the things he shows in that. Trump's charge to the White House being straight out of the Kremlin playbook is eye-opening.

I read a little bit about that movie, was it any good? How much of a Leftist is he?

[Boydy]

He says he's not a Lefty - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Curtis#Politics


People often accuse me of being a lefty. That's complete rubbish. If you look at The Century of the Self, what I'm arguing is something very close to a neoconservative position because I'm saying that, with the rise of individualism, you tend to get the corrosion of the other idea of social bonds and communal networks, because everyone is on their own. Well, that's what the neoconservatives argue, domestically. [...] If you ask me what my politics are, I'm very much a creature of my time. I don't really have any. I change my mind over different issues, but I am much more fond of a libertarian view. I have a more libertarian tendency [...] What's astonishing in our time is how the Left here has completely failed to come up with any alternatives, and I think you may well see a lefty libertarianism emerging because people will be much more sympathetic to it, or just a libertarianism, and out of that will come ideas. And I don't mean "localism".

[Lewis]

He's doing it on purpose, and yet people continue to bite. Presumably there would be less biting in the absence of a desire to be outraged.

Accepting that would mean having to accept that 1) he isn't thick; and 2) he's donned them all.

[Raoul Duke]

This is pretty good: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/19/donald-trump-us-election-prediction-richard-rorty

In particular I liked this:


In the book, Rorty predicted that what he called the left would come to give “cultural politics preference over real politics”. This movement would contribute to a tidal wave of resentment, he wrote, that would ricochet back as the kind of rancor that the left had tried to eradicate.

If the left/centre-left are going to have any kind of relevance then they (we) need to get our shit together and actually have a cohesive plan that works, rather than focussing energy on marginal issues which don't speak to the majority.

[GS]

Accepting that would mean having to accept that 1) he isn't thick; and 2) he's donned them all.

Well, this is it. Like when he referred to "the finalists" for cabinet positions. He's so obviously trolling, and yet certain quarters (alright, phonics) will rush to make a story of it regardless.


This is pretty good: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/19/donald-trump-us-election-prediction-richard-rorty

In particular I liked this:



If the left/centre-left are going to have any kind of relevance then they (we) need to get our shit together and actually have a cohesive plan that works, rather than focussing energy on marginal issues which don't speak to the majority.

That's pretty much (New) Labour, isn't it? Decide they know best and then set about vilifying everybody who disagrees or professes an alternate view. In Britain, anyway, you can trace most of the BACKLASH back to decisions taken by the Lord Blair. Nineteen-hundred-and-ninety-seven as "Year Zero" deserves another chapter.

[Raoul Duke]

That's pretty much (New) Labour, isn't it? Decide they know best and then set about vilifying everybody who disagrees or professes an alternate view. In Britain, anyway, you can trace most of the BACKLASH back to decisions taken by the Lord Blair. Nineteen-hundred-and-ninety-seven as "Year Zero" deserves another chapter.

Well, that (first sentence) is essentially what politics is: deciding you know best and trying to enact that worldview, so I don't see how that's specific to Labour.

My point is more that Jez, Ed and friends have driven labour down a fruitless path to try and please everyone, of all niches and quirks, whereas what they need to provide is a genuine, considered plan to react to globalisation and the inherent disempowerment it generates among the majority of people.

The Conservative kick towards introspection, isolation and putting up walls (metaphorical and physical) won't have the desired effect either mind - the horse has bolted and isn't coming back. Britain and the US are a essentially finance/tech economies and nothing we're doing here will help those industries. Let alone all the steelworkers, drivers and factory people who's jobs are going to disappear over the next 10 years due to the first two groups.

[Lewis]

Disconnecting free markets/trade from this loose idea of 'globalisation' would be a start. We can still trade freely, and let steelworks go to the wall, without letting a trillion foreigners in and contracting decisions out to supranational, universalist wankers.

[Raoul Duke]

How does that help anyone though? The elderly/pensions are a far bigger drain on resources than Big Jeff from Tanzania and his chums. Likewise, it doesn't stop the steelworkers or whatever getting completely buttfucked.

Genuine question - is there any legit data for where "benefits" money goes, per nationality of claimant?

EDIT: Google says: researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06955/SN06955.pdf - which is a smaller percentage than what I thought it'd be.

[Lewis]

Then they should reform the pension/welfare system (and the entire philosophy of the state), otherwise your system is actually a Ponzi scheme.

[Boydy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2ZPcPHJAno

One for you, GS.

[Bartholomert]

Why is the West accepting immigrants who take out more from the system than they contribute, who are either unwilling or unable to assimilate, whose culture is fundamentally incompatible with Western notions democracy and Liberty, and who also statistically commit far more crime than native born citizens.

It's that simple, why? Who benefits? You can have economic interdependence while still behaving in a non-suicidal manner.

Also those jobs are coming back, take away stifling regulations and taxes, throw on some incentives, and you will see.

[GS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2ZPcPHJAno

One for you, GS.

I have a grudging respect for McGuinness - but I can't hack Adams. It doesn't help that he's thick as shit.

[Shindig]

Y'know, integration and assimilation is a bullshit angle to take on this. All you need is tolerance, not this outright acceptance. I mean, you could suck apple pie out of Uncle Sam's cock but it's maybe a step too far.

[Bartholomert]

You can't have a multicultural society, when push comes to shove people will almost always vote along tribal lines over some abstract political principal / public polic approach.

[GS]

The issue isn't 'acceptance' or 'tolerance' as such. Labour, when Straw was Home Secretary, drastically reduced the administrative burden for immigration and effectively turned a blind eye to a substantial increase in immigration - particularly from the subcontinent. We were knowingly admitting vast numbers who didn't meet the requirements, but the government of the day didn't particularly care. In 2004, with the accession of the A8 states, Blair actively decided against introducing transitional controls. It led to significant and, more importantly, rapid change in certain communities.

Many in these communities were naturally uncomfortable, and felt they were engaging in some sort of social 'experiment' (for lack of a better word) that they never asked for and never consented to. When concerns were raised, Labour actively sought to shout them down by dismissing them as 'xenophobes' and 'racists'. To compound matters, Blair's governments continued to advocate multiculturalism - in effect, numbers would go up (treble from the Major years) and there would be no serious requirement for people to integrate. It may have been well intentioned, but it's created segregated communities and simmering resentment.

So it's all fair and well preaching 'tolerance' and 'acceptance', but a big part of the Leave vote can be traced back to Labour's complete mishandling of immigration and assimilation of communities thereof. It's their own fault, mind you, as it was part of an active ideological drive to 'rub the right's nose in diversity'.

That went well for them, I suppose.

[Bartholomert]

Why does the Left love 'diversity' so much? Is it a desire to import new voters? Annoy the Right? What is it? Because certainly immigrants increase labor supply and therefore hurt the working class, the former core constituency of the Left, the most. I just don't get why they did this?

[Boydy]

In Britain, anyway, you can trace most of the BACKLASH back to decisions taken by the Lord Blair. Nineteen-hundred-and-ninety-seven as "Year Zero" deserves another chapter.

Isn't that all the Tories' fault though? Since we're blaming the opposition for the wrongdoings of the current Conservative government in the other thread.

[Lewis]

Why does the Left love 'diversity' so much? Is it a desire to import new voters? Annoy the Right? What is it? Because certainly immigrants increase labor supply and therefore hurt the working class, the former core constituency of the Left, the most. I just don't get why they did this?

It's that failed socialism isn't real socialism mindset. It will be different this time, and Yugoslavia only collapsed for a lack of community centres and prominent black faces in the media. Stupidity, in a word, albeit combined with a need for new clients/voters after the white working class rejected them in the eighties.

[Boydy]

It's that failed socialism isn't real socialism mindset.

It's not really though, is it? At the same time you have them starting to love 'diversity', they're abandoning their old socialism and embracing neoliberalism.

[GS]

Isn't that all the Tories' fault though? Since we're blaming the opposition for the wrongdoings of the current Conservative government in the other thread.

The wider backlash against the political classes stems from, in my view, three key things: 1) Iraq 2) the financial crisis and 3) the expenses scandal. Labour (i.e. Blair) was clearly responsible for Iraq, which is probably the worst foreign policy disaster since Suez. Labour didn't cause the financial crisis of 2007/8, but they put the country in a terrible position to deal with it. We ran a budget deficit every year from 2002, with borrowing to fund current expenditure. We were completely over-reliant on tax revenues from the City, where they seem to have made a Faustian pact to turn a blind eye to any excess whilst the tax revenues rumbled in. It meant when the bite hit, we were uniquely vulnerable. Massive current expenditure funded by borrowing, a loss of tax revenues, a collapse in confidence in our main tax revenue generating area of the economy and the need to invest tens of billions to bail out the banks.

The third wasn't solely a Labour issue, but it's a bit lol when supposed socialists are fraudulently pocketing tens of thousands from the public purse whilst advocating that the rest of us behave differently. The Tories are just capitalists working the system, but the left tend to set themselves up as being "better than that". This was more of a 'you absolute wankers' issue, rather than going to the fundamental issue of whether the political classes "knew best" in terms of policy direction and economic management. Iraq and the GFC showed that they very clearly didn't, and that's caused a significant trust issue with the wider public.

If we're considering a complete list of Blairist failures, his various communities and equalities acts were really rather patronising - in effect suggesting to everybody (except on the left, which loves virtue signalling) that the great British public were, somehow, a collection of closet racists and / or misogynists. They needed a Blairist wave of charity singles and communities singing kumbaya to treat people decently, which obviously wasn't happening until Blairism decided that it should be enshrined in law and they could scold everybody else for not doing it already. Nobody likes the insinuation that they're a cunt and can't be trusted to behave decently. See: grammar schools, where again the Lord Blair decided that the public can't be trusted to make their own mind up for their kids.

We've already covered the immigration debacle.

So yeah, if you want to know why everybody hates politicians and why political correctness is fighting a rearguard action to a revival of populism defended with 'he says what he thinks', look no further than New Labour - where the most important man in government was Alistair fucking Campbell, who was spinning everything as evidence of the Lord Blair's divinely inspired benevolence.

[Lewis]

It's not really though, is it? At the same time you have them starting to love 'diversity', they're abandoning their old socialism and embracing neoliberalism.

I mean in thinking that historical precedent doesn't apply because this time it will be different, although I suppose that is more of a technocratic mindset than an exclusively leftist one.

[Boydy]

I mean in thinking that historical precedent doesn't apply because this time it will be different, although I suppose that is more of a technocratic mindset than an exclusively leftist one.

Oh right, I get ya now.

[GS]

Accepting that would mean having to accept that 1) he isn't thick; and 2) he's donned them all.

What a man the Donald is.

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[Bartholomert]

I think there is a non-trivial probability that Trump is an unprecedented PR / media genius.

[Shindig]

Again, if you haven't watched HyperNormalisation, get on it. It gives a compelling reason as to why Donald and Putin are so tight. Putin's lot do the same.

[Mazuuurk]

I thought ethnic background and nationality were seperate you disgusting bigot, those Somalians immigrants gang raping your women are just as Swedish as you are !

Hahaha I hit a nerve :D

[Henry]

This is part of the problem as well. You (in the plural, generalised sense) vilify someone like Mitt Romney to the extent you do, and all sense of credibility and perspective has been lost.

It's much the same in the UK, where the left refer to the Tories as "Tory scum", "evil" or "Nazis". Great. What language is left to direct towards the more extreme elements of UKIP or the BNP? There isn't any, so people don't listen when they're told that these more extreme elements are nutters because "you say that about everyone". So you've lost perspective, and thus the argument.

Romney would be a very good appointment as Secretary of State - not just the lesser of two evils.

What you mean here (as with most of the rest of your tedious left-bashing) isn't that I've lost my perspective, but that I don't share yours, therefore I'm in error. :rolleyes:
I (or any "we" that I'm part of) never refer to political opponents as evil, and vanishingly rarely as Nazi's. That's entirely your invention.

Mitt Romney would be someone who in that job would push neoliberal, imperialist policies broadly in line with those pursued by the US in recent decades. Preference for him is strictly in the category of "better the devil you know" ( no, this is not an actual reference to evilness) since those policies remain highly disagreable. He and the establishment that he is part of are to a large measure to blame for the catastrophe that we're about to have inflicted on us. Your laughably narrow analysis of why people are pissed off, posted above (the fucking expenses scandal?!) shows that you don't really get that.

[Spoonsky]

Who would be a good appointment for Secretary of State in your eyes?

[Panda Bear]

Noam Chomsky.

[Pepe]

Bernie.

[mugbull]

I bet Hillary could do a pretty good job.

[Jimmy Floyd]

His namesake, Henry Kissinger.

[Raoul Duke]

Donald Trumpet has apparently been ringing up Argentina asking them to get a shift on with his building permits. Drain the swamp, indeed.

[Henry]

Who would be a good appointment for Secretary of State in your eyes?

There are few involved in mainstream national politics, particularly any that Trump or the Republican Congress would possibly assent to. So it's not really about personality, it's about policy. But if you're asking me to pick someone reasonably prominent, maybe Chris Murphy.

[Bartholomert]

Donald Trumpet has apparently been ringing up Argentina asking them to get a shift on with his building permits. Drain the swamp, indeed.

According to one Argentinian journalist based on an anonymous source and denied by both the Argentinian presidents staff and Trump himself. So in other words, a tenuous claim at best.

[GS]

What you mean here (as with most of the rest of your tedious left-bashing) isn't that I've lost my perspective, but that I don't share yours, therefore I'm in error. :rolleyes:
I (or any "we" that I'm part of) never refer to political opponents as evil, and vanishingly rarely as Nazi's. That's entirely your invention.

Mitt Romney would be someone who in that job would push neoliberal, imperialist policies broadly in line with those pursued by the US in recent decades. Preference for him is strictly in the category of "better the devil you know" ( no, this is not an actual reference to evilness) since those policies remain highly disagreable. He and the establishment that he is part of are to a large measure to blame for the catastrophe that we're about to have inflicted on us. Your laughably narrow analysis of why people are pissed off, posted above (the fucking expenses scandal?!) shows that you don't really get that.

Here we have a further example of why your side will eat itself before it gets anywhere. Absolutely convinced of your own superior moral righteousness.

[ItalAussie]

Both sides are convinced of that. That's why they're on that side.

[Bartholomert]

The alt-right sending the lugenpresse into a frenzy in these last few days is just :drool:

[Jimmy Floyd]

Both sides are convinced of that. That's why they're on that side.

If you look at polls on the subject (I did a massive qual report on this in one of my former lives) you'll consistently find that on questions like 'Would you kiss someone with opposite political views to you', 'Would you let your children hold opposite political views to you', and so on, the left are always about 2x less willing to do so than the right.

[Mazuuurk]

If you look at polls on the subject (I did a massive qual report on this in one of my former lives) you'll consistently find that on questions like 'Would you kiss someone with opposite political views to you', 'Would you let your children hold opposite political views to you', and so on, the left are always about 2x less willing to do so than the right.

You know I reckon if it's like that it's in part because it's not uncommon that people move politically towards the right as they age. A lot of people are more idealistic and left-oriented in their beliefs when they are young and, to be crass, don't make as much money themselves yet.

So as a right-wing parent I bet it's easier to reconcile with the idea that your kid will be having views contrary to your own (because after all it'll be something you may be able to help change or that may change over time).

Ask the same question about homosexuality and I would be the roles are reversed.



EDIT: And further - in the "Kissing" situation, I personally at least find that Right-wing people tend to look at Leftists more as Naive, in a kind of condescending and patronizing way mind you, but still - compared to Leftists that tend to look at Right-wing people as more Evil, the latter which obviously is harder to accept in a fellow human being.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I dunno. I'd rather have a gay kid than a raving communist, but either would be just fine.

[Mazuuurk]

Another thing I'm thinking now is that I bet most of the time in not-quite-"raving communist"-but-far-leftwards cases, those people will be very aware of their own political beliefs, and that they are indeed such.

On the other side of the spectrum you'll probably find people who will have some ideas about what they don't like (rather perhaps than what they like) but not be so politically involved (further right you'll find these "alt-rights" or whatever they call themselves).

[mugbull]

Here we have a further example of why your side will eat itself before it gets anywhere. Absolutely convinced of your own superior moral righteousness.

He didnt say anything that could possibly make you think that, other than that neo-liberal policies are to blame for American interventionism, which is true and has nothing to fucking do with moral righteousness. Get over yourself

[Jimmy Floyd]

This Farage/ambassador stuff is absolutely laughable. Trump showing yet again how unfit he is to hold high office. Theresa should publicly tell him to fuck off.

[Disco]

I never really understood the logic of Farage being, well, anything to do with anything. We have a perfectly good diplomatic corp that's dealt with countless US administrations in the past, I'm not sure why this would be any different.

[niko_cee]

At the same time, all the people getting so very, very exercised about the idea of Ambassador Farage probably couldn't name a single UK ambassador to the US (or anywhere, other than Chris Patten), as it's really something no one in their right mind would give a flying fuck about.

Make him a special envoy or somthing. Or just a lord as apparently is in the offing and let him loose on his own over there.

[phonics]

Nigel doesn't seem to be so angry about a foreign head-of-state telling Britain what to do these days, weird that.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The equivalent is us telling Vladimir Putin that he should send Garry Kasparov as his London ambassador.

[Mazuuurk]

Haha I just read that Farage said this after meeting Trump:

“But one thing Mr Trump kept returning to was the issue of wind farms. He is a complete Anglophile and also absolutely adores Scotland, which he thinks is one of the most beautiful places on Earth. But he is dismayed that his beloved Scotland has become overrun with ugly wind farms, which he believes are a blight on the stunning landscape.”


He's just been elected the President of the United states and his biggest concern regarding the UK is the view from his fucking Golf Course :D

[Disco]

If you've ever seen the interior of Trump Tower you'll know how ironic it is for him to be giving design advice.

[John Arne]

I've never understood the hatred towards "ugly" windfarms... I reckon they look pretty darn majestic and generally awesome. Perhaps I would think differently if I had to stare at one everyday - but I cant help but think it's just countryside toffs bitching for the sake of it.

[Disco]

It's generally the middle class who move to the country (or more likely buy a second home there) and assume it's all rural idyll with a few worzel gummage types to keep the free range eggs flowing, preferably with a Waitrose not too far away but still handily out of sight. Farmers won't think twice about slapping fourteen prefab hen houses in your back garden because that's the best place for them.

[Bernanke]

Wind farms look fucking amazing.

[phonics]

http://i.imgur.com/ajFfWqY.png

lol

[Magic]

Lol didn't realise the US ambassador is called Kim.

Remember the last time we had a Kim that was friendly with the US government?

[Lewis]

801029194906038272

lol

[Jimmy Floyd]

Great meetings. The best meetings.

This stuff has to unravel once he's actually President, surely, or the CIA will have to off him.

[Bartholomert]

801029194906038272

lol

Love it :chortle:

[bruhnaldo]

I mean we're fucked but I think we all knew that from the get-go.

I honestly didn't think it would be this cringe but you deal with the devil you gotta learn to love the heat I guess.

[Raoul Duke]

Likewise, if you vote for a nazi spastic, you'll get a nazi spastic

[bruhnaldo]

Ah, so Trump's a Nazi now.

Dope.

I wish people (well, at least Americans) paid as much attention to the actual issues in the world rather than what the KKK and neonazi groups think all of a sudden.

[niko_cee]

It all starts with massive domestic infrastructure prorammes.

If only they'd just stuck to the autobahns.

[GS]

Trump is clearly just enjoying the ride at the minute. You have to say 'fair play', given he seems to have decided he gives not a fuck what people who don't like him think.

[randomlegend]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-climate-change-nasa-global-warming-bob-walker-a7433146.html

Absolutely batshit :D

[mugbull]

Should just nationalize Breitbart and create spin-off organizations with cool names like Breitbart Galaxy and Breitbart Waves

[Bartholomert]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-climate-change-nasa-global-warming-bob-walker-a7433146.html

Absolutely batshit :D

I mean he's right. NASA's job is to explore space, not to further the agenda of radical environmentalists.

[Henry]

"A view shared by half the climatologists in the world".

Demonstrably a lie.

"Good science".

Apparently this is whatever they would like to hear.

This is political and ecological vandalism.

[John]

Politicians interfering is bad, so the head politician is binning the whole thing. Top logic.

[Bartholomert]

Politicians interfering is bad, so the head politician is binning the whole thing. Top logic.

Yeah, it's not the governments responsibility to fund personal political agendas using tax payer money. If they care so much they can pay the private sector to do it for them.

[Kikó]

I think mother nature has become too politicised. She needs to wind in the climate change.

[phonics]

Yeah, it's not the governments responsibility to fund personal political agendas using tax payer money. If they care so much they can pay the private sector to do it for them.

As someone who worked for an American company on both sides of the fossil fuel debate. We got way more government money for working with Corn and Coal than we did for Solar.

[John Arne]

Just read that Michigan still hasn't declared. How long does it take to count some votes??

[Henry]

There are stories going around about voting fraud and recounts. Probably will come to nothing, but I wonder what sort of shit would go down if they had to overturn the result...

[niko_cee]

It would be brilliant if Trump had properly Putin'd it up with the vote rigging after moaning about the risk of it for so long.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The best story I've read is about California seceding. Because that worked so well last time.

[GS]

There are stories going around about voting fraud and recounts. Probably will come to nothing, but I wonder what sort of shit would go down if they had to overturn the result...

It's only Wisconsin.

You'd need to overturn several states. This is another victory for the electoral college, allowing any problems to be isolated.

[mugbull]

Jill fucking Stein at it again. The Democrats come out of this looking like sore losers unless Hillary disavows the recount process.

[GS]

Jill fucking Stein at it again. The Democrats come out of this looking like sore losers unless Hillary disavows the recount process.

The left? Sore losers? I won't believe it.

Just be thankful she hasn't organised a protest march.

[Lewis]

The best story I've read is about California seceding. Because that worked so well last time.

As with London, the feel-good smugness would last about fifteen minutes before the communists/minorities chased their biggest earners to Texas.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I'd love to see the smug cunts in London try independence. The main economic benefit would be to restaurant owners near London Zoo.

[Spoonsky]

California could make it on its own, I think, as long as all the farmers didn't split and the tech people stayed around.

[Lewis]

Most of them would die of thirst as the tech wankers sit around wondering why household appliances have stopped checking into Twitter.

[ItalAussie]

The left? Sore losers? I won't believe it.
The right only get high ground on this if we have to endure eight years of birth certificate nonsense.

[Henry]

And it's not like "the right", to use an absurd generalisation of the kind that GS is fond, said that they wouldn't accept the results if they lost.

Oh, wait.

[Queenslander]

Im glad that the center is bigger in Australia meaning the boring pricks on both sides are forced to whinge in their online echo chambers instead of chewing my ear off at the dog park. Our racists are as bad as theirs but they choose to live in remote shitholes north of Gympie.

One thing both lots of bores have in common is that they are easily triggered.

[GS]

To be fair, the American right have been living in a tinfoil hat brigade world of lunacy since Obama was elected. Their particular brand of Tea Party insanity probably isn't reflective of your standard "conservative" voter in America.

Perhaps it is and they're all nutters with a second amendment fetish.

[Queenslander]

A lot of that hatred towards Obama was/is pretty scary from the outside looking in. Make American Politics N#$@er free again!

[Lewis]

I find it hard to imagine Australian politicians debating anything substantial (other than replacing their own shit leaders). New Zealand even more so.

'What about a new flag?'
'Yeah, nah.'

And that's it until some sheep get lost.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I have some relatives in Florida (couple of generations back, so they're fully paid up Yanks) and they think Obama is a Muslim terrorist who was born in Africa and is part of ISIS, whilst Donald Trump is the best thing ever to happen to their great country. They are by no means the thickest of the thick over there either, although in fairness one of them married a French 'painter' who actually has affairs instead of painting, and they wonder why he never sells anything and sponges off the rest of them.

[Queenslander]

Ive tried to tune most of it out uless Im listening to the ABC or talkback on 4bc. The things Ive tried to keep up with are BOATS, paid parental leave, cutting welfare benifits and trying to break the cycle and the bloody horrendous treatment of Aboriginal kids in detention. Oh yeah and those cunts on both sides spending huge amounts of money on travel expenses.

Pauline Hanson is for lols, Cory Bernardi and his far right christian nutters being triggered if they feel Christian values are being trampled on is for lols and all the corruption the unions and the union faction in Labor party get up to is to sober me up.

What I have noticed is the amount of far right loons choosing to be christian as their team in a statement against Islam. Nah mate you bash your wife and have never set foot in a church.

[Lewis]

https://glennlazarusteam.com/

Give it up, mate.

[Queenslander]

:lol:

He really does mean well but come on Brick go down to your local club and teach the young blokes too run hard into other blokes.

[Lewis]

The section on Australian food is particularly inspiring.

[Queenslander]

I like that the colours are close to Broncos colours.

[Shindig]

To be fair, the American right have been living in a tinfoil hat brigade world of lunacy since Obama was elected. Their particular brand of Tea Party insanity probably isn't reflective of your standard "conservative" voter in America.

Perhaps it is and they're all nutters with a second amendment fetish.

Nah, some of it is the 'Christian values' brigade. They'll vote Republican every time because they think gays are sex mad, AIDS vectors.

[Bartholomert]

The irony of Clinton claiming he vote is rigged is really really incredible, this election is the gift that keeps on giving

[John Arne]

The irony of Clinton claiming he vote is rigged is really really incredible, this election is the gift that keeps on giving

Quote? Source?

[Henry]

Yeah, that was just a lie.

[ItalAussie]

Clinton has gone quietly and conducted herself gracefully. Which must be tough.

[Queenslander]

Remember the good old days when old mate was a Turkish football ultra and a devout muslim? Did not see the GOP as his next sports team.

[Spoonsky]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/25/politics/green-party-recount-wisconsin/index.html

*jaws music*

It will never happen, but the scenes if it turned out that Trump had actually rigged the election would be beyond belief.

[Offshore Toon]

There's something dodgy about the fundraising for that, isn't there? Even your green party is corrupt.

[Spoonsky]

Not that I know of? There are a lot of extremely angry, moderately wealthy liberals in America. The number is believable.

[ItalAussie]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/25/politics/green-party-recount-wisconsin/index.html

*jaws music*

It will never happen, but the scenes if it turned out that Trump had actually rigged the election would be beyond belief.

It won't, but if people want to check, then more power them.

[Shindig]

Depends how far this hacking issue has spread, once they know what to look for. People really get their knickers in a twist when democracy is questioned. If it was a one-shot thing, we'd not have elections every few years. The right being triumphant over a victory that wasn't entirely popular. You will struggle to govern on that outcome. Same goes for Brexit's slim bit decisive result. A second opinion would be a good idea, mainly to see if opinion has shifted.

[Shindig]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xX_KaStFT8

"And that's not all. Order now and I'll throw in a second carpet of your choice, ab-so-lutely free! Just stop by Trump's Carpets." <jingle plays>

[Boydy]

‘A recipe for scandal’: Trump conflicts of interest point to constitutional crisis (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/27/donald-trump-conflicts-interest-constitutional-crisis).

Sounds like it could all get pretty messy.

[GS]

802972944532209664

:drool:

[Magic]

802972944532209664

:drool:

:D

Legend already.

[Disco]

Which begs the question if you know how many people voted illegally why were they allowed to vote in the first place?

[Bartholomert]

802972944532209664

:drool:

Yessss...please don't change Donald

[Bartholomert]

Quote? Source?


Yeah, that was just a lie.

Lol be quiet cuck, your world view is being repudiated across the West.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-recount-idUSKBN13L0TX

"Clinton team to take part in U.S. state vote recount"

[John Arne]

Lol be quiet cuck, your world view is being repudiated across the West.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-recount-idUSKBN13L0TX

"Clinton team to take part in U.S. state vote recount"

Still no actual quote from Clinton then?


Elias said in a statement on the Medium website that the Clinton campaign had not planned to seek a recount since its own investigation had failed to turn up any sign of hacking of voting systems.
"But now that a recount has been initiated in Wisconsin, we intend to participate in order to ensure the process proceeds in a manner that is fair to all sides," Elias said.
Clinton's campaign should be legally represented in Wisconsin to be able to monitor the recount, he said.


EDIT: Also, you made you "claim" on the 25th Nov, when nobody in the Clinton camp had said anything at all.

[John Arne]

The irony of Clinton claiming he vote is rigged is really really incredible, this election is the gift that keeps on giving

Quite.

802972944532209664

[Shindig]

Whereas there's no irony on Donald's part because he always insisted the vote was rigged. In amongst all this, Michigan declared 10,000 in favour of Trump.

[Lewis]

This (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/28/alt-right-online-poison-racist-bigot-sam-harris-milo-yiannopoulos-islamophobia) is funny. Imagine being that pathetic.

[Pepe]

Damn those racist Youtube algorithms!

[Henry]

Lol be quiet cuck, your world view is being repudiated across the West.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-recount-idUSKBN13L0TX

"Clinton team to take part in U.S. state vote recount"

Okay...and what has that got to do with their claiming that the vote was rigged?

They've specifically said otherwise. And incidentally when you made your accusation, they hadn't said anything at all.

[niko_cee]

This (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/28/alt-right-online-poison-racist-bigot-sam-harris-milo-yiannopoulos-islamophobia) is funny. Imagine being that pathetic.

That really is brilliant.


What am I doing? I’m turning into an arsehole.

That's right pal, turning.

[GS]

Surely he could have sorted himself out by retreating to a designated safe space.

[Shindig]

<retreats to another message board>
<vicious cycle ensues>

I fucking hate the Internet. It's a soapbox and a billboard that too many pricks take at face value. Or latch on to for the wrong reasons. I simply can't wait til Milo whatshisarse winds up in a Gay Therapy Camp. He'll be strapped into a dentist chair (that he volunteered for) and force-fed John Wayne films. He'll be interrupted by Donald asking him which one of his daughters he would rape until he gives the right answer.

I'll stop there. I don't want Mert to cum.

[Queenslander]

Mert must be the easiest bloke to trigger in real life.

[GS]

"Trigger."

Fucking hell.

[Queenslander]

:D

English probably isn't my first language anymore

[GS]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-horrifying-look-into-the-mind-of-911s-mastermind-in-his-own-words/2016/11/28/bf5827a8-b575-11e6-b8df-600bd9d38a02_story.html


But perhaps the most riveting part of the book is what KSM told Mitchell about what inspired al-Qaeda to attack the United States — and the U.S. response he expected. Today, some on both the left and the right argue that al-Qaeda wanted to draw us into a quagmire in Afghanistan — and now the Islamic State wants to do the same in Iraq and Syria. KSM said this is dead wrong. Far from trying to draw us in, KSM said that al-Qaeda expected the United States to respond to 9/11 as we had the 1983 bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut — when, KSM told Mitchell, the United States “turned tail and ran.” He also said he thought we would treat 9/11 as a law enforcement matter, just as we had the bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania and the USS Cole in Yemen — arresting some operatives and firing a few missiles into empty tents, but otherwise leaving him free to plan the next attack.

“Then he looked at me and said, ‘How was I supposed to know that cowboy George Bush would announce he wanted us ‘dead or alive’ and then invade Afghanistan to hunt us down?’” Mitchell writes. “KSM explained that if the United States had treated 9/11 like a law enforcement matter, he would have had time to launch a second wave of attacks.” He was not able to do so because al-Qaeda was stunned “by the ferocity and swiftness of George W. Bush’s response.”

Dubya. :cool:

[Alan Shearer The 2nd]

Godfrey Elfwick is the best thing on Twitter. Not least because people still fall for it.

Best yet-

https://twitter.com/GodfreyElfwick/status/803687334482939904

[Lewis]

I would like to believe that (and he did troll the BBC (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OEtwtV9koE#t=1m31s) ages ago), but he should really have more evidence.

[Henry]

Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag - if they do, there must be consequences - perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!

And he's about to choose a Goldman Sachs executive to run the Federal Reserve.

I hope somebody shoots him.

[Kikó]

That's weird. A Goldman Sachs former employee running the top financial jobs...

[ItalAussie]

Drain the swamp.

[Henry]

http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/161129212927-trump-romney-exlarge-169.jpg

Jesus Christ.

[wullie]

http://keyassets-p2.timeincuk.net/wp/prod/wp-content/uploads/sites/30/2015/10/first-dates-fred3-630x475.jpg

[phonics]

https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2016/10/CruzSad1.png

[Pepe]

That's weird. A Goldman Sachs former employee running the top financial jobs...

Not weird, outrageous.

[Bartholomert]

http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/161129212927-trump-romney-exlarge-169.jpg

Jesus Christ.

That's how hard he's about to cuck the rest of the world

[mugbull]

And he's about to choose a Goldman Sachs executive to run the Federal Reserve.

I hope somebody shoots him.

Chill, it's the treasury secretary, not the Federal Reserve. He's a former employee, not a current employee. And to be honest, if you disqualified anyone who's ever worked for an investment bank from the Treasury Secretary position, you're not gonna be left with a wide pool of people.

The problem with this appointment is who it is. He's just another Trump crony, with another high level position.

[Henry]

What the goddamn hell does "cuck" mean?

[John]

Cuckold.

[Mazuuurk]

It's a derivative of Cuckold, basically it's something certain people in the use seem to use as a word for men they think are inferior (I suppose because they are not supposed men enough to keep their women satisfied, though I'm not sure that full logic will be very applicable if you stretch it just a tiny bit).

Something akin to saying poof or maybe a sissy. Merts using it as a verb there which I suppose is another ethymological evolvement of the word, same as Va-va-voom migh've become Va-va-vooming.

Of course it's all quite a bit ridiculous.

And Mert, shut the fuck up, before you reply something inane to this post.

[Bartholomert]

It's a derivative of Cuckold, basically it's something certain people in the use seem to use as a word for men they think are inferior (I suppose because they are not supposed men enough to keep their women satisfied, though I'm not sure that full logic will be very applicable if you stretch it just a tiny bit).

Something akin to saying poof or maybe a sissy. Merts using it as a verb there which I suppose is another ethymological evolvement of the word, same as Va-va-voom migh've become Va-va-vooming.

Of course it's all quite a bit ridiculous.

And Mert, shut the fuck up, before you reply something inane to this post.

No surprise that the Swede is the resident expert on being cuckolded.

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/961/304/310.jpg

[Henry]

You racist scum. Only 2 more points to go...

[7om]

Jesus, Mert :D

[GS]

If Romney is offered the job, he should take it. It's not as if you're somehow legitimising him if you do - he's already won an election, he's not Corbyn - and you ensure a less reactionary foreign policy than otherwise.

[Lewis]

The fact that it looks like Maz makes it even funnier.

[Henry]

If Romney is offered the job, he should take it. It's not as if you're somehow legitimising him if you do - he's already won an election, he's not Corbyn - and you ensure a less reactionary foreign policy than otherwise.

I actually agree. Better to have remotely decent people take the jobs than have people of the caliber of Steve Bannon in them all.

[Spikey M]

Mert :D

[Shindig]

It's a derivative of Cuckold, basically it's something certain people in the use seem to use as a word for men they think are inferior (I suppose because they are not supposed men enough to keep their women satisfied, though I'm not sure that full logic will be very applicable if you stretch it just a tiny bit).

Something akin to saying poof or maybe a sissy. Merts using it as a verb there which I suppose is another ethymological evolvement of the word, same as Va-va-voom migh've become Va-va-vooming.

Of course it's all quite a bit ridiculous.

And Mert, shut the fuck up, before you reply something inane to this post.

Yep. I mean, the word had a perfectly fine definition or two until the fucking internet decided it meant something different. Mert, do yourself a favour: Don't become a fan of anything. Rigidly sticking to one side over the other is just fruitless self-sabotage. Take media with a pinch of salt because, at the end of the day, they're after circulation and prints. They're not fact delivery systems any more and, with social media, every cunt has an opinion.

Don't act so triumphant when the victory was so slim. It tells you America is brutally divided and saying, "GO REDS!" doesn't help bring any cohesion.

And if you can't do any of that, then I guess you should fuck off.

[7om]

Are you only just meeting Mert for the first time?

[Spoonsky]

He's right, though. If there's one problem with Mert, it's that he's too trusting of the media.

[Queenslander]

Ooga booga :cab:

[Mazuuurk]

Mert if we ever do meet in real life, we can have a little manliness contest. The proof is in the pudding, you know :)

[Lewis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcWzsqAjfKw

[Queenslander]

:D

Ooga booga just reminded me that Golly Wog dolls are still sold around South East Queensland which will no doubt shock the board.

[Lewis]

https://s18.postimg.org/8j7b0gwcp/09062009006.jpg

:cool:

[Queenslander]

I've only seen free range Golly Wogs on shelves. That machine full of them would stop me in my tracks. :lol:

I don't get how there isn't more outrage about them?

[GS]

Because it's a children's toy. There are, surely, more important things to be outraged about.

[Queenslander]

I mean at the appropriate level.

You don't feel slightly uncomfortable seeing them in a store?

[GS]

I don't, no. I have a finite quota for outrage, and it's directed at more appropriate channels like Irish republicanism and the Guardian newspaper.

[Queenslander]

Yeah fair enough. Outrage isn't the right word in hindsight.

[Boydy]

I don't, no. I have a finite quota for outrage, and it's directed at more appropriate channels like Irish republicanism and the Guardian newspaper.

:D

You're such a fucking jebend.

[GS]

How are the driving lessons going?

[Bartholomert]

Mert if we ever do meet in real life, we can have a little manliness contest. The proof is in the pudding, you know :)

I'm just trolling brah don't take it seriously. All I want is for Swedish blondes to still exist, so it would be great if the country could get its act together and stop with the mass immigration.

[Mazuuurk]

Fuck man. Now he's running scared all of a sudden. I'll hit your lady up (on my speed dial bitch) and tell her she can use a fatter strap-on next time, since you're an even bigger pussy than we all thought.

[Shindig]

So he's bottled out of the free-throws, the election bet and now a meet up.

[Bartholomert]

Fuck man. Now he's running scared all of a sudden. I'll hit your lady up (on my speed dial bitch) and tell her she can use a fatter strap-on next time, since you're an even bigger pussy than we all thought.

Bruh...learn to cut your losses with grace

[Bartholomert]

So he's bottled out of the free-throws, the election bet and now a meet up.

It was 3-pointers. I completely forgot and will legitimately try and film myself on Thursday.

[leedsrevolution]

I don't, no. I have a finite quota for outrage, and it's directed at more appropriate channels like Irish republicanism and the Guardian newspaper.

When I read this, all I could think of is:

https://static.standard.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2015/12/02/15/peep-show-series-9-episode-4.jpg

[Mazuuurk]

Bruh...learn to cut your losses with grace

My losses? I'm annihilating you, bruh. You're a pathetic excuse for a human being. I bet Trump would rather lick Hillary's crack than know he had the support of sorry ass little wimps like you.

Since you're in the land of the free I'd tell you to go buy a gun and shoot yourself in the balls, but it occurs to me you don't have any.

[John Arne]

Mert being out-Mert'd.

[Spikey M]

Trump would never allow someone of Merts background to have a gun. He'll be on all of the lists.

[Shindig]

"I don't care how white he looks."

That cartoon sheds a lot of light on things. Mert fears liberalism because he's got it in his head that left-leaning ideologies are a fast-track to Caligula. Also, he has the Turk down as a rapist. Remember when he used to answer everything with "TURKIYE!!!"?

[bruhnaldo]

Well what's going on in this thr-http://premfaces.com/cache/mod_roksprocket/6a42336d22a8275c475a80695ab1ccee_100_100.png

[Magic]

I can't think of anything less manly than a bald Swede who is thumbed to fuck versus a pretend-Christian lawyer cuck with an Arabic background.

[Lewis]

He rang Taiwan, which is ace in itself because fuck off China; but, even better, you've got loads of idiots having a go and defending Chinese policy as if they would normally do that. Melting minds. :cool:

[Pepe]

Taiwan. :cool:

[Queenslander]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/five-hurt-in-gas-explosion-at-sunnybank-hills-school-in-brisbane/news-story/64a51c192ddd175ac43ac7ea3d72bad7

Don't worry China, Brisbane is still loyal.

[Henry]

He rang Taiwan, which is ace in itself because fuck off China; but, even better, you've got loads of idiots having a go and defending Chinese policy as if they would normally do that. Melting minds. :cool:

I don't think they're defending Chinese policy as much as criticising provocative action that will raise tension with China...

[Lewis]

That two billion dollar weapons deal last December seems like a more overt act of recognition than accepting a phone call.

[Jimmy Floyd]

The Chinese can fuck off. What are they going to do, put a spybot in my Rice Krispies?

[Shindig]

Lice Klispies.

[Lewis]

They would flood the enemy countries with useless students/tourists and bring critical infrastructure to a standstill.

[phonics]

Didn't think this year could get dumber but a guy shooting up a pizza joint that he believes is the headquarters of a paedophile ring run by Hilary Clinton is pretty fucking dumb.

[bruhnaldo]

Can we change the thread title to "Stupid American Political Shit Thread" or something considering the election is over?

[Shindig]

Until the recounts are sorted, keep it as is.

Wisconsin machines with broken warranty seals (http://www.fox9.com/news/221518020-story)

The right's perspective. (http://yournewswire.com/wisconsin-recount-hillary-clinton-rigged-election/)

[Byron]

But remember people, only the Left are capable of hypocrisy and hysteria.

[GS]

But remember people, only the Left are capable of hypocrisy and hysteria.

In the UK, certainly. This makes the Conservatives the natural party of government.

[Shindig]

Any extreme is retarded. There's a guy I watch on youtube who is kinda like a white, sensible mert and even he comes out with some bangers. "Obama mobilised the SJW movement." I pointed out to him that was more of social media thing it enables everyone, not just the left. He apologised saying, "Well, perhaps it was coincidental."

[mugbull]

In the UK, certainly. This makes the Conservatives the natural party of government.

What a spastic you are.

[GS]

What a spastic you are.

It would help if you understood the origin of the quote, which you undoubtedly do not.

[Byron]

Mokkers in not understanding sarcasm shocker.

[mugbull]

GS loves himself some dogma, that was my main point. You're right though, I don't know the origin of the quote.

[phonics]

Trump just wiped 1.5 billion off Boeings stock by tweeting about how he's not happy with the price of the new Air Force One. Really supporting those American businesses.

[Bartholomert]

Trump just wiped 1.5 billion off Boeings stock by tweeting about how he's not happy with the price of the new Air Force One. Really supporting those American businesses.

Shows he's willing to fight corruption and waste, even when he benefits. Plus this is basic Art of the Deal maneuvering, guaranteed they'll come back with a discount now.

[John Arne]

Shows he's willing to fight corruption and waste, even when he benefits. Plus this is basic Art of the Deal maneuvering, guaranteed they'll come back with a discount now.

Especially when he benefits.

Also, didn't he sell all of his Boeing stock a few years ago?

[Shindig]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4AS2sGPlj8

Now heads up Trump's Small Business Committee.

[Lewis]

Her coming out of her coma and belting Mr. McMahon in the swingers is a top five rasslin' moment.

[Shindig]

It's all she could do, really. Really excellent at sitting in a chair and standing up from a chair, like a mute Westlife. As soon as she opened her mouth, though ...