So things seem a bit mad in France

[Pepe]

'It's not a race,' Harold would say at this point.

[Boydy]

I read a thing recently that people who were born Muslim but don't really practice their faith any more are still considered Muslims by other Muslims, kind of like Jews. Probably not by the likes of ISIS though. But it could therefore be considered an ethnicity and so it would be racism.

I mean, most right-minded people know that a lot of the anti-Islam stuff from certain people is just veiled racism and that's why it's been difficult for some to admit there might be a problem with strands of Islam because it'd just be providing ammo for racist shitbags.

[Henry]

I'm reading a book about Islam and its history at the moment. Very interesting. There's so much bullshit out there from people who don't know what they're talking about on all sides.

[GS]

Which book is it? I'd quite like to know more as my understanding is quite basic.

Equally I don't want some 900 page tome which will take me eight months to read.

[Henry]

Which book is it? I'd quite like to know more as my understanding is quite basic.

Equally I don't want some 900 page tome which will take me eight months to read.

No God But God by Reza Aslan.

It's quite short. It's promoting a liberal interpretation of Islam and is aimed at westerners, so some of it is probably open to challenge but when all you hear is negative stuff, getting the other side is worthwhile.

[Boydy]

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/isis-issues-fatwa-ordering-suffocation-of-babies-with-down-s-syndrome-a3136651.html

What's their thinking behind that?

[Henry]

The same as most of their shit - to shock people with how barbaric they are so they'll get attention.

[Yevrah]

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/isis-issues-fatwa-ordering-suffocation-of-babies-with-down-s-syndrome-a3136651.html

What's their thinking behind that?

Probably this:


Most of the children were born to foreign fighters who married Iraqi or Syrian women, it claimed.

Either way, if the anti-ISIS PR machine isn't all over this (and it works) we may as well give up now.

[Yevrah]

The same as most of their shit - to shock people with how barbaric they are so they'll get attention.

They don't think they're anything like 'barbaric' though, so how would that work?

[Henry]

They don't think they're anything like 'barbaric' though, so how would that work?

Of course they think they're barbaric.

[Yevrah]

Of course they think they're barbaric.

They think they're savagely cruel and primitive and unsophisticated?

Nope, not having that for shit.

[Henry]

They think they're savagely cruel and primitive and unsophisticated?

Nope, not having that for shit.

Those are different things. Barbaric and savagely cruel, yes. How could they not? Primitive and unsophisticated? No, and nor should they, since they aren't.

[Boydy]

The same as most of their shit - to shock people with how barbaric they are so they'll get attention.

Surely they have some sort of theological justification for it though?

[Henry]

Surely they have some sort of theological justification for it though?

Probably, yeah. And it's probably pretty half-assed, as are a lot of their theological justifications.

[GS]

They don't see it like that, however. Which is sort of the problem, is it not.

[Boydy]

Probably, yeah. And it's probably pretty half-assed, as are a lot of their theological justifications.

Yeah, I'm sure it is. It would still be interesting to know what it is, which is what I was asking. You are being no help at all here, Henry.

[Yevrah]

Those are different things. Barbaric and savagely cruel, yes. How could they not? Primitive and unsophisticated? No, and nor should they, since they aren't.

Well I plucked those definitions from a dictionary, but I think you fundamentally mis-understand how the mind of a twisted brain wrong works.

For them, I don't think being cruel comes into it, they're doing what they believe they were put here to do so why should the nature of what they're doing even come into their thought process? And if you're right and it does, and they genuinely think they're savagely cruel (they don't), why would they not entertain the thought that by being savagely cruel they're also a bit primitive?

This works both ways as well, in that do you think the 'war criminal' Blair thinks anything he did was primitive and unsophisticated? Does he fuck. Hell, he's still at pains to point out that he thinks what he did was right.

[Henry]

They don't see it like that, however. Which is sort of the problem, is it not.

I suspect they do. Like I say, how can they not? They're a bunch of psychopathic thugs who feed off the publicity that this gives them and they're consciously exploiting that fact.

Do you really think that murdering disabled children is an idea that came to them through examining their scriptures or something like that?

[Henry]

This works both ways as well, in that do you think the 'war criminal' Blair thinks anything he did was primitive and unsophisticated? Does he fuck. Hell, he's still at pains to point out that he thinks what he did was right.

Why must it work both ways? Not all murderers are the same.

[Boydy]

Not sure how true it actually is - http://www.snopes.com/isis-killing-babies-syndrome/

[Yevrah]

Why must it work both ways? Not all murderers are the same.

That's not what I'm saying and you're making the fundamental mistake (that so many people do, politicians included) of trying to apply a rational thought process by your standards to that of people who commit hideous acts, when they simply don't think like that.

The point about the Blair example was that this isn't just a West vs. far flung nutty religious types either, it's that people who commit horrible crimes don't think they're doing anything wrong or that by doing so they're doing it for the greater good - they certainly wouldn't describe themselves as barbaric and it's a bit of a worry that an educated man like yourself would think they would.

[Henry]

That's not what I'm saying and you're making the fundamental mistake (that so many people do, politicians included) of trying to apply a rational thought process by your standards to that of people who commit hideous acts, when they simply don't think like that.

The point about the Blair example was that this isn't just a West vs. far flung nutty religious types either, it's that people who commit horrible crimes don't think they're doing anything wrong or that by doing so they're doing it for the greater good - they certainly wouldn't describe themselves as barbaric and it's a bit of a worry that an educated man like yourself would think they would.

I don't think you're understanding me. You keep introducing terms that I haven't used and ascribing them to me.
ISIS members don't think they're wrong. They think that barbarism and cruelty are the correct prescriptions for anyone who isn't them, and that the ends justify any means.

Blair didn't think like that. His delusions were of a different form.

[John]

They don't think they're barbaric cuntbags in general, but part of their endgame is drawing 'The Armies of the West' into Syria for a fight so that they can end the world, so even the most unbelievable violence is technically justified if it services that end.

[Lewis]

It might be a good 'recruiting sergeant' (I hate that term almost as much as 'boots on the ground'), but I find it hard to accept that their leaders want the rest of the world to come down on them. They're just the Taliban with a Twitter account.

[Pepe]

No bomb talk?

[Lee]

The 'bomb' was made out of paper, apparently.

[Lewis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2KoSwryK_I

[Henry]

It might be a good 'recruiting sergeant' (I hate that term almost as much as 'boots on the ground'), but I find it hard to accept that their leaders want the rest of the world to come down on them. They're just the Taliban with a Twitter account.

They want to realise the "clash of civilisations" that some people keep talking about, and thereby recruit more people to their cause.

[Giggles]

Things getting shut down in Munich tonight.

http://news.sky.com/story/1614950/serious-terror-threat-in-munich-tonight

[randomlegend]

Almost feels like we're just waiting to see where gets hit (to me at least) which is proper shit.

[Lee]

I don't get this just shutting places down. Munich is probably a bit different as they've clearly had something concrete to be clearing the place at such short notice. But I don't like the idea of just not doing stuff, like in Paris or Moscow. If there's a level of risk due to the general climate then say so and let people decide for themselves.

On a slightly related note, the terrorist detection goons at Leicester are fucking morons. The bloke in front of me on Monday had his bag checked. He opened it up, and inside it were other bags. "Cheers mate, carry on".

You what? Now I don't like them checking us at all and I can't wait until they get fed up doing it. But if I was a terrorist I probably wouldn't be carrying my bomb loose in a plastic bag. If you're going to do it at least do it properly, for fuck's sake.

[Lee]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35218086

IS have released a video in which they kill what they claim are British spies.

EDIT: That's laying it on a bit thick having read it again; they're blokes who have apparently passed information to the British about targets and stuff.

[Giggles]

The cover up on this seem a bit odd.

http://www.thelocal.de/20160104/refugees-blamed-for-mass-sexual-assault-in-cologne

[Bernanke]

Very Tahrir Square that.

[randomlegend]

Bloody hell, what absolute scum.

[Magic]

Apparently it happened in Hamburg too.

EDIT: Shaky footage: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d32_1451940121

Can't see much but definitely see things being fired in to crowds.

[Dquincy]

Egypt. Terror.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3390894/Gunmen-killed-shooting-European-tourists-Egypt.html

[Lee]

What a shit terrorist attack.

[Lewis]

There was a truck bomb in a Libyan police school the other day that did a few dozen in (the fact I can't find an accurate total shows the level of our interest). I was going to overlay their flag over my Facebook picture, but I didn't know which one to use. I'm having fucking rotten luck with that. In many ways it's worse than being bombed.

[Yevrah]

That "in many ways it's worse than..." has definitely got legs.

[Dquincy]

There was a truck bomb in a Libyan police school the other day that did a few dozen in (the fact I can't find an accurate total shows the level of our interest). I was going to overlay their flag over my Facebook picture, but I didn't know which one to use. I'm having fucking rotten luck with that. In many ways it's worse than being bombed.

"More than 50." http://news.yahoo.com/dozens-killed-wounded-bombing-libya-police-school-101408745.html

[Lewis]

That tends to mean ninety-six, but the highest I saw was seventy. See?

[Dquincy]

That tends to mean ninety-six, but the highest I saw was seventy. See?

Shit, you're right. This one contradicts itself in the next paragraph. https://www.rt.com/news/328154-libya-police-bomb-killed/

[Lee]

So we've got this bloke who has been arrested with two hand guns, ammunition and a Qur'an. According to the radio they're still unsure of his intentions and motive.

I'd be a fucking ace anti-terror man as I reckon I've nailed this one already: he was going to kill people because he is a mad Muslim.

Where do I apply?

[Disco]

He could have just mugged a terrorist.

[Foe]

Good thing I'm not going to Disneyland in June.

[Raoul Duke]

Maybe he's just into reading esoteric fiction and enjoys clay pigeon shooting. And Mickey Mouse?

Yeah

[Jimmy Floyd]

So we've got this bloke who has been arrested with two hand guns, ammunition and a Qur'an. According to the radio they're still unsure of his intentions and motive.

I'd be a fucking ace anti-terror man as I reckon I've nailed this one already: he was going to kill people because he is a mad Muslim.

Where do I apply?

Come on, Lee. Not all Muslims are terrorists.

[Lee]

Indeed. I don't think Abdul in HR is. Abdul in finance is a twat but I don't think he's into that. My massive gang of ED muslims are all nice enough blokes, but Ahmed did get an AK-47 for his 7th birthday so you never know.

EDIT: Eh up, turns out they don't think he is a terrorist. Probably not the job for me after all.

[QE Harold Flair]

Probably covering it up.

[Lee]

It would make far more sense for them to want to to be terrorist related so they can justify their 'state of emergency'. Governments fucking love a bit of terrorism.

[Bernanke]

The odds for an attack happening at the Euros can't be high.

[GS]

They've arrested the terrorist who was on the run.

[Lewis]

You would have expected him to have had some sort of suicide plan for when he was cornered.

[Shindig]

Yay! French police finally took someone alive!

[John Arne]

Sticking around in Belgium isn't the brightest idea ever.

[Disco]

Rock and a hard place I suspect, the police were clearly after him and his own lot won't have been delighted that he was still alive.

[Bernanke]

Sticking around in Belgium isn't the brightest idea ever.

From what I've heard, Molenbeek almost can't be called Belgium. The closest thing to those no-go zones that Harold keeps on about.

[John Arne]

There's been an incident at Brussels airport after two explosion's was heard in the departure lounge.

https://gyazo.com/b51a8cc31caa57ae2d54f1fa454164dc.png

[Bartholomert]

From what I've heard, Molenbeek almost can't be called Belgium. The closest thing to those no-go zones that Harold keeps on about.

Police refuse to go into areas in Stockholm, Australian camera crew gets attacked:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-pG4oiih3A

[Davgooner]

Violence against journalists eh? It's like a Trump rally.

[randomlegend]

The guy ploughing into him on his mobility scooter :D

[John Arne]

Police refuse to go into areas in Stockholm, Australian camera crew gets attacked:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-pG4oiih3A

There is absolutely no evidence in that clip that shows the police refusing to go into these "no-go" zones. The copper advises them to enter the shopping area without the police so that they can film without attracting attention, and then as soon as trouble kicks off, the police arrive. Seriously, you believe some absolutely bullshit at times, Mert.
You also have to consider what this film crew is doing - they turn up in some deprived town, enter the shopping area and just start filming all the dark people - It would be interesting to see full un-edited overage of this.

[Bartholomert]

There is absolutely no evidence in that clip that shows the police refusing to go into these "no-go" zones. The copper advises them to enter the shopping area without the police so that they can film without attracting attention, and then as soon as trouble kicks off, the police arrive. Seriously, you believe some absolutely bullshit at times, Mert.
You also have to consider what this film crew is doing - they turn up in some deprived town, enter the shopping area and just start filming all the dark people - It would be interesting to see full un-edited overage of this.

Um the narrator explicitly states that the police refused to accompany them into the shopping area because they were afraid that it would be 'provocative' and create more danger.

Also solid victim blaming. Apparently, Camera crews who go into public spaces to film news stories deserve to be assaulted and harassed, just like girls who dress in skimpy outfits deserve to get raped right? Shocking stuff.

[Jimmy Floyd]

I saw on the news there were a load of skinheads charging and trying to trample over the flowers and memorial gathering in Brussels earlier. There are times when I think maybe summary executions wouldn't be such a bad idea.

[Magic]

Um the narrator explicitly states that the police refused to accompany them into the shopping area because they were afraid that it would be 'provocative' and create more danger.

Also solid victim blaming. Apparently, Camera crews who go into public spaces to film news stories deserve to be assaulted and harassed, just like girls who dress in skimpy outfits deserve to get raped right? Shocking stuff.

Wait a minute, don't you agree that women deserve to be raped etc? I'm sure you voiced some pretty barbaric opinions on a few threads now about violence towards women and what they collectively should and shouldn't be up to.

[Angelsaint]

Police goes everywhere in Sweden. They advised for the safety of the crew not of the police.
Isn't mert a Muslim?

[Bartholomert]

Wait a minute, don't you agree that women deserve to be raped etc? I'm sure you voiced some pretty barbaric opinions on a few threads now about violence towards women and what they collectively should and shouldn't be up to.

...what the fuck are you talking about? No, nobody 'deserves' to get raped and unconsensual intercourse is one of the most violative and scarring acts of violence one human can perpetrate on another.

[Magic]

...what the fuck are you talking about? No, nobody 'deserves' to get raped and unconsensual intercourse is one of the most violative and scarring acts of violence one human can perpetrate on another.

But if drunk it ok doe amirite.

[Bartholomert]

But if drunk it ok doe amirite.

Depends on the extent which both parties are intoxicated. Having sex with a girl who's blackout while you're sober is clearly rape.

Not sure why you expect me to have an unreasonable opinion on this subject.

[Magic]

:D

You're an idiot.

[Angelsaint]

Depends on the extent which both parties are intoxicated.

Can you explain this better?

[Bartholomert]

:D

You're an idiot.

Lololol so too apparently are the judges responsible for establishing the common law on the issue. LOL amirite stupid judges!!!

[Spoonsky]

What are you playing at here Magic?

[Bartholomert]

Can you explain this better?

A (wo)man is almost definitely not too incapacitated to give informed consent after one drink. (S)he almost definitely is too incapacitated after 20 drinks. You would have to look at the totality of the surrounding circumstances to make a determination if that line was crossed. It's tough, but that's the only reasonable way to go about it. A reasonable objective standard can be used to determine if the (wo)man should have known if the victim was too intoxicated to give consent (and visa versa).

[Magic]

What are you playing at here Magic?

I'm not sure yet. I think there's a void to fill, so I'm just feeling it out at the moment.

[Angelsaint]

A (wo)man is almost definitely not too incapacitated to give informed consent after one drink. (S)he almost definitely is too incapacitated after 20 drinks. You would have to look at the totality of the surrounding circumstances to make a determination if that line was crossed. It's tough, but that's the only reasonable way to go about it. A reasonable objective standard can be used to determine if the (wo)man should have known if the victim was too intoxicated to give consent (and visa versa).

Are you describing a mathematical formula?

[simon]

Apparently, Camera crews who go into public spaces to film news stories deserve to be assaulted and harassed

I swear I remember you defending Trump and his mob for doing exactly this at one of his rallies.

[simon]

Ah, I see Dav covered it almost a full week ago.

[John]

Violence is also absolutely justified if someone harms a Turkish flag. Presumably that covers all other flags too, since Mert is nothing if not consistent.

[Bartholomert]

Are you describing a mathematical formula?

I'm describing what the law should ideally be.


I swear I remember you defending Trump and his mob for doing exactly this at one of his rallies.


Ah, I see Dav covered it almost a full week ago.

Let me know where I've advocated in favor of assault, thanks.


Violence is also absolutely justified if someone harms a Turkish flag. Presumably that covers all other flags too, since Mert is nothing if not consistent.

There is a difference between an act being justified and an act being understandable given the circumstances.

[Byron]

The fact that you think violence is understandable for harming a flag is proper :cab: territory.

[Bartholomert]

The fact that you think violence is understandable for harming a flag is proper :cab: territory.

You don't understand understand because you are ignorant of Turkish culture and the exalted status the flag has in society.

[Lewis]

I suppose if they've got nothing else to exalt.

[phonics]

Too busy jailing journalists for life.

[Shindig]

You don't understand understand because you are ignorant of Turkish culture and the exalted status the flag has in society.

You abandoned your flag. Get knifed.

[Disco]

Getting angry over 'desecration' of a flag is hilariously childish.

[Bam]

http://i.tmgrup.com.tr/dailysabah/2014/04/25/HaberDetay/1398414738524.jpg

[John]

Americans getting pissy over the flag being burned is doubly lol since burning is the proper way to dispose of a flag.

[John Arne]

Um the narrator explicitly states that the police refused to accompany them into the shopping area because they were afraid that it would be 'provocative' and create more danger.

Also solid victim blaming. Apparently, Camera crews who go into public spaces to film news stories deserve to be assaulted and harassed, just like girls who dress in skimpy outfits deserve to get raped right? Shocking stuff.


Come on, man - it's in the video, "it's better if you go in without us, and if it is [dangerous] we will come in" They are making a suggestion to the film crew to assist their filming - at no point do they refuse to enter.

And, I'm not blaming the victims - I'm suggesting that their are always things happening off-camera that we don't see. Obviously these guys (attackers) acted like dicks, but we all know what journalists are like, and I wouldn't put anything past them. Also, the guy showing them around is a known right-wing nutter, apparently.

[John Arne]

The flag thing is just a massive misunderstanding. 'Protect the flag' was taken literally by some idiots, and passed down to next generations.

[Bartholomert]

Getting angry over 'desecration' of a flag is hilariously childish.

Thinking multiculturalism would ever work was hilariously stupid by the West. At least Turkey has always been shit, you literally gave away your civilization because you were too pussy to stand up to loonytoon liberals pretending to be empathetic towards ethnics in the hopes that it would get them out of the friend zone.

[Spoonsky]

That's almost poetic.

[Disco]

I know I'm certainly only nice to people I want to have sex with.

[Magic]

:uhoh:

[Angelsaint]

For fucksake, when you think this place is full of lunatics like magic, John, Jimmy etc... Mert goes to a all new level.

I honestly think you need psychiatric help ASAP! You are on the verge of turning into a Breivik or something similar.

Please, please get help.

[Disco]

:uhoh:

I voted for you in the awards too....

[Lewis]

This (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3532355/More-half-Muslims-want-gay-sex-outlawed-nearly-quarter-support-areas-UK-run-sharia-law.html) is good news. Most British Muslims think that wives should not have to obey their husbands. Most. That is a fact. Check the statistics.

[Yevrah]

The Mail are being a bit disingenuous with the part of their headline that says "Half stated that it was unacceptable for a gay person to teach their children" I'd suggest. I bet it was only 49% or something and in which case really should have been labelled as "MOST MUSLIMS think it's acceptable for a gay person to teach their children".

[Yevrah]

Only 18% of those surveyed agreed that homosexuality should be legal in Britain? Fuck.Ing.Hell.

And Trevor Phillips really is poacher turned gamekeeper.


I thought Europe's Muslims would gradually blend into the landscape. I should have known better.

[Lewis]

Regardless of how these things get reported (mine was a BBC-style attempt), the numbers are as mental as ever.

[Magic]

Most religions would answer those questions exactly the same in a private survey.

[Lee]

Who would have thought that Muslims would have so much in common with the Daily Mail's readers?

[Henry]

I think we forget sometimes how recent the change in attitudes towards homosexuality has been. Muslims are a bit behind the curve, but this is hardly surprising and would have been close to the norm a generation ago.

[Magic]

They're about 800 years behind the curve.

[John Arne]

But enough of the Scottish :henn0rz:

[Raoul Duke]

Great: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35928848

[Magic]

Why are people surprised? These Islamic teaching places, the mosques, the schools, this is all they teach. :S

[Magic]

Great: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35928848
A mosque trustee said he had never seen the leaflets before and suggested they were fakes or left there maliciously.

:D

[Giggles]

We are apparently not prepared. No shit.


http://m.rte.ie/news/2016/0411/780898-garda-sergeants-inspectors/

[Magic]

We are apparently not prepared. No shit.


http://m.rte.ie/news/2016/0411/780898-garda-sergeants-inspectors/

It says they receive information on severe weather alerts but none on the current terrorist threat level.

:harold:

[Giggles]

It says they receive information on severe weather alerts but none on the current terrorist threat level.

:harold:

Whole fucking country is obsessed with the weather.

[phonics]

So the way they found out that the plan was to attack France not Belgium originally was found on a laptop in a bin with no password and the folder was called 'Target' with a bunch of Word files in it :D

http://europe.newsweek.com/laptop-brussels-bomber-brahim-el-bakraoui-reveals-new-information-plan-attack-447315?rm=eu

These are the 'masterminds' we're fighting.

[GS]

Aye, and the Belgians still can't get hold of them before they actually do something.

[Magic]

If it wasn't on the internet then fair enough.

[phonics]

Aye, and the Belgians still can't get hold of them before they actually do something.

To be fair, 'Man in the Hat' stated himself that they switched targets to a local place because they were being closed in on. You're going a bit far there.

[Magic]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=efa_1461588843

Absolute fucking bellend.

[Lewis]

Somebody shouting 'Islamist slogans' has stabbed a Parisian copper outside his house, taken his wife and kid hostage, and then been killed in the ensuing police raid that also found the woman dead. Have a day off.

[Lewis]

It's going off again.

[Yevrah]

Disgruntled refuse collector no doubt.

[niko_cee]

That jock guy probably just exercised his right to free movement.

[Yevrah]

There's a time you can get on the rolling news coverage too early and that time is now.

[GS]

They only got around to fixing an end date for the state of emergency they've had in place since November, too.

If it's IS, Hollande will probably go and bomb Raqqa again to try and deflect from his 17% approval ratings.

[Lewis]

These sort of things ought to be the first choice for terrorists. I realise they're pretty unspectacular, and you need a crowd, but pinching a lorry and jumping the path can be planned in your head and carried out without any notice or suspicious activity.

[Magic]

Was it a racist Hungarian HGV driver ploughing in to a refugee camp? :drool:

[Magic]

Holy shit 30 dead? That's a fantastic return. Why didn't they do this during that Euros at a fan zone?

[Giggles]

Holy shit 30 dead? That's a fantastic return. Why didn't they do this during that Euros at a fan zone?

Presumably after the Euros there was a big sigh of relief and things laxed a bit.

[Bernanke]

Bastille Day is more symbolic then the Euros as well tbh.

30+ dead is insane.

[Disco]

The thing is security doesn't need to be lax for this kind of thing to happen, how do you effectively prevent it? It's not like you need to have taken a Syrian evening class in Suicide Vests and AKs to plough a Luton van into a load of onion sellers all standing together.

[Magic]

We need to ban Muslims from everything over 7.5 tonnes.

Yes that includes my wife.

[Disco]

She's not a muslim is she?

[Shindig]

Really? I could hit 30 if you just give me a truck and Grey Street.

[Giggles]

The thing is security doesn't need to be lax for this kind of thing to happen, how do you effectively prevent it? It's not like you need to have taken a Syrian evening class in Suicide Vests and AKs to plough a Luton van into a load of onion sellers all standing together.

There's one way, blanket prevent it at source. But that's far too un-PC.

[Dquincy]

Really? I could hit 30 if you just give me a truck and Grey Street.

This sounds like you're considering it. If so, please don't.

P.S. These incidents seem like their becoming more frequent.

[Yevrah]

Are they becoming more frequent than dodgy rollercoasters breaking down though?

[Dquincy]

Probably not as frequent as Rosberg and Hamilton's on track collisions.

[Shindig]

This sounds like you're considering it. If so, please don't.

P.S. These incidents seem like their becoming more frequent.

Relax. I can't reach the pedals.

[Waffdon]

Videos all over twitter. Sheeesh

[GS]

It's alright lads, Francois Hollande is on the way back to Paris to deal with it.

French TV have it as 60 dead, apparently.

[Bernanke]

Some French head of intelligence said just a few days ago that the country is "on the brink of civil war" given 1 or 2 more attacks. Apparently they had indications of far right groups arming themselves in preparation for retaliation.

[Magic]

The aftermath video is absolutely savage.

[Bernanke]

The aftermath video is absolutely savage.

I watched it with sound, it was a bad idea.

Probably quite a few kids in this as well given how many people were running away from the scene holding very young children.

[Giggles]

Some French head of intelligence said just a few days ago that the country is "on the brink of civil war" given 1 or 2 more attacks. Apparently they had indications of far right groups arming themselves in preparation for retaliation.

It could well be time for that. If it wasn't even before this.

[GS]

Retaliation against who, exactly?

[Bernanke]

So something happened near the Eiffel Tower as well.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnW8TXTWAAAAR8T.jpg:large

[Yevrah]

Some French head of intelligence said just a few days ago that the country is "on the brink of civil war" given 1 or 2 more attacks. Apparently they had indications of far right groups arming themselves in preparation for retaliation.

It's bound to happen sooner or later, only a matter of time if attacks keep up.

[Shindig]

I really hope that was just fireworks.

[Yevrah]

That Eiffel Tower pic can't be real, can it? It looks like something out of Independence Day.

[Giggles]

Retaliation against who, exactly?

50 Muslims in your country, one could be a terrorist.
20 Muslims in your country, one could still be a terrorist.
0 Muslims, 0 terrorists.

[Bernanke]

Retaliation against who, exactly?

The idea was "random attacks on immigrants in the suburbs" basically. He mentioned it more in the context of another Köln-situation with rapes and stuff, and far-right groups going out into banlieues and just striking randomly.

[Magic]

Better just change that temporary Facebook flag profile picture to a permanent French one.

[Shindig]

Can we not just hit Article 50 and declare war on France for their own safety?

[Bernanke]

Eiffel Tower is supposedly "just" a fireworks-accident and unrelated. Good timing.

[Giggles]

That Eiffel Tower pic can't be real, can it? It looks like something out of Independence Day.

I'd say someone has had that picture ready to go since the last time.

[GS]

50 Muslims in your country, one could be a terrorist.
20 Muslims in your country, one could still be a terrorist.
0 Muslims, 0 terrorists.

I see.

The French are dealing with years and years of failed domestic policy here. There's a seething tension in that country, and they're never going to fix it.

[Yevrah]

The "terror is what the terrorists want" line needs to go in the bin. The attacks won't stop if everyone's scared.

[Giggles]

I see.

The French are dealing with years and years of failed domestic policy here. There's a seething tension in that country, and they're never going to fix it.

You do what you can to fix what you can though.

[GS]

Not by shooting random people. We tried that here, and it didn't work very well did it.

[Giggles]

Not by shooting random people. We tried that here, and it didn't work very well did it.

I don't mean kill them but get them as far from having any freedom to do this as possible, especially any that there is one shred of doubt about. There's no point in waiting for something like this to confirm theories.

[GS]

What possible benefit is there from 'experts' speculating needlessly on 24 hour news about this? Just fuck off.

[GS]

I don't mean kill them but get them as far from having any freedom to do this as possible, especially any that there is one shred of doubt about. There's no point in waiting for something like this to confirm theories.

So you take away their driving licences and make them all get public transport? That'll work.

Presumably you also need to watch them all, at all times, to make sure they don't borrow a car from a mate, rent a car using false documents or, indeed, hijack a a car at any point.

[Giggles]

So you take away their driving licences and make them all get public transport? That'll work.

No, you lock them up and send any you can back to the rats nest they came from.

I don't specifically mean stop them driving into people.

[Yevrah]

Internment? Nice.

[GS]

No, you lock them up and send any you can back to the rats nest they came from.

Many are 'home grown', and have a seething discontent as a result of France's failed decolonisation and integrationist policies.

Do you suggest repatriation based on ancestry?

[Dquincy]

What possible benefit is there from 'experts' speculating needlessly on 24 hour news about this? Just fuck off.

You're the one watching it, you plonker.

[Giggles]

Many are 'home grown', and have a seething discontent as a result of France's failed decolonisation and integrationist policies.

Do you suggest repatriation based on ancestry?

You bang up the home grown ones.

[Dquincy]

So you take away their driving licences and make them all get public transport? That'll work.


Let's keep them off public transport...we all remember 7/7.

[Giggles]

Internment? Nice.

Nicer than getting mown down by a bin lorry.

[Spoonsky]

What do you think of Trump, Giggles?

[Giggles]

What do you think of Trump, Giggles?

I prefer Alan Sugar.

[GS]

You're the one watching it, you plonker.

Listening in the background, in case something happens.


You bang up the home grown ones.

All of them? On what grounds?

[Giggles]

All of them? On what grounds?

Significantly reducing the chances of future events like this, or the numerous ones before it.

[Dquincy]

Listening in the background, in case something happens.


I did that for the Paris one. I'll admit it's morbidly addicting.

Daily Mail is going nuts over it. Saying that gunmen are searching for hotels to shoot people. But I think they've just quoted some random comment. Nutbags.

[GS]

I did that for the Paris one. I'll admit it's morbidly addicting.

Daily Mail is going nuts over it. Saying that gunmen are searching for hotels to shoot people. But I think they've just quoted some random comment. Nutbags.

"The Donald" has weighed in too, inevitably.

[Spoonsky]

Significantly reducing the chances of future events like this, or the numerous ones before it.

Should've banned the Irish from England for the past 50 years too, right?

[Kikó]

That video is horrific.

[niko_cee]

Is that the video of all the bodies?

[Kikó]

Yeah. Grim.

[Giggles]

Should've banned the Irish from England for the past 50 years too, right?

It was their own citizens dong most of the bombing back in those days, not ours.
Then again, being Irish in Britain was being treated like how you lot did/do to blacks so banning may have been better.

Someone lend you a European history book little man?

[Bartholomert]

Ban trucks.

[niko_cee]

If this had happened in Texas . . .

. . . at least one colossal lard ass would have stopped the truck.

This distressed toff on Sky fretting about how she was going to get back to St Tropez as her intended route was being blocked by many dead bodies is quite funny in a massively inappropriate sort of way.

[GS]

The TERROR about something like this is that there's legitimately no way you can possibly stop it. I'm surprised it hasn't happened before.

[niko_cee]

Well, you say nothing, you could probably start by not running a massively discriminatory/non-inclusive form of society for 50 years.

[GS]

Well, yes.

I don't think people realise how shit the French have been at things since 1940.

[Bartholomert]

If this had happened in Texas . . .

. . . at least one colossal lard ass would have stopped the truck.

This distressed toff on Sky fretting about how she was going to get back to St Tropez as her intended route was being blocked by many dead bodies is quite funny in a massively inappropriate sort of way.

Meanwhile in Texas:

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/Man-who-tried-to-rob-Waffle-House-with-an-AK-47-8365342.php

[Lewis]

You could easily see a future French government chucking Muslims out of the country. Maybe not all of them, and if not directly then certainly making life so intolerable for them that they piss off to Saudi Arabia or Leicester (although they could just blow themselves up in that case); but if it comes down to state of emergency Republique Francaise vs sucking minority cock then there is only one winner.

[Bartholomert]

The TERROR about something like this is that there's legitimately no way you can possibly stop it. I'm surprised it hasn't happened before.

Yes. But you can immediately stop future immigration at the very least.


Well, you say nothing, you could probably start by not running a massively discriminatory/non-inclusive form of society for 50 years.

Lol. Victim blaming much? Do women also deserve to get raped because they were flirtatious?

[niko_cee]

Look, I've watched La Haine, right.

[Spoonsky]

Dead French citizens =/= the French govt.

[GS]

Yes. But you can immediately stop future immigration at the very least.

Lol. Victim blaming much? Do women also deserve to get raped because they were flirtatious?

You could, but you're just fumbling at the bolt on the stable door. The seething discontent is a direct result of dreadful decolonisation policies (clinging on desperately in Indochina and then Algeria before de Gaulle had the good sense to call it a day) and a complete failure to integrate immigrants properly. There are parts of major cities like Paris or Marseille which are genuine no-go areas. You're not fixing that, at this stage. It is what it is.

[Bartholomert]

Look, I've watched La Haine, right.

Oh shit, that actually reminds me that I wanted to watch that movie and I have nothing to do. Thanks (not even joking).

[Spoonsky]

It was their own citizens dong most of the bombing back in those days, not ours.
Then again, being Irish in Britain was being treated like how you lot did/do to blacks so banning may have been better.

Someone lend you a European history book little man?

And most or many of these attacks are done by French citizens. Comme ci comme ca.

[Giggles]

And most or many of these attacks are done by French citizens. Comme ci comme ca.

A few headcases with a romantic notion that they're fighting a rebellion does not equal an entire brainwashed race with a common goal of wiping out a civilisation. Voulez vous coucher avec moi.

[Spoonsky]

All that banning Muslim immigration would do is massively radicalize the very sizeable Muslim population that already exists in France. Mass deportations seem like a non-starter on logistical or ethical grounds (not to mention the response of the 'global community'). I genuinely don't see a solution to the problem other than fixing up the domestic situation in a positive way, and kicking the shit out of ISIS in the Middle East as much as possible.

[Bartholomert]

You could, but you're just fumbling at the bolt on the stable door. The seething discontent is a direct result of dreadful decolonisation policies (clinging on desperately in Indochina and then Algeria before de Gaulle had the good sense to call it a day) and a complete failure to integrate immigrants properly. There are parts of major cities like Paris or Marseille which are genuine no-go areas. You're not fixing that, at this stage. It is what it is.

I agree they fucked up hard. I've been to some areas in Paris that unbelievably awful, and genuinely look like some Neo-Nazi satirical scene of the effects of mass immigration on European cities. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it for myself.

[randomlegend]

Is giggles actually suggesting locking up/sending home all Muslims in France or am I misunderstanding?

[Spoonsky]

A few headcases with a romantic notion that they're fighting a rebellion does not equal an entire brainwashed race with a common goal of wiping out a demographic. Voulez vous coucher avec moi.

That is exactly how I'd describe these terrorists. What demographic do Muslims want to wipe out exactly?

And yes.

[Giggles]

Is giggles actually suggesting locking up/sending home all Muslims in France or am I misunderstanding?

Well I've already been told it'd be wrong to shoot them.

[Lewis]

Provided you had somewhere to put them, you could deport a few million people relatively easily. Think about the obvious precedent.

[randomlegend]

All that banning Muslim immigration would do is massively radicalize the very sizeable Muslim population that already exists in France. Mass deportations seem like a non-starter on logistical or ethical grounds (not to mention the response of the 'global community'). I genuinely don't see a solution to the problem other than fixing up the domestic situation in a positive way, and kicking the shit out of ISIS in the Middle East as much as possible.

I don't understand 'banning Muslim immigration' as a concept.

Do you ban everyone who has ever said they are a Muslim? How do you prove someone is or isn't a Muslim? Is everyone from a predominantly Muslim country automatically Muslim? What if they LIE?

It's just so farcically unworkable.

[Bartholomert]

All that banning Muslim immigration would do is massively radicalize the very sizeable Muslim population that already exists in France. Mass deportations seem like a non-starter on logistical or ethical grounds (not to mention the response of the 'global community'). I genuinely don't see a solution to the problem other than fixing up the domestic situation in a positive way, and kicking the shit out of ISIS in the Middle East as much as possible.

They rounded up all the Japanese in the 40s while fighting a war on the side. If there was a political will to do it, it could be done. I also think most Westeners overestimate how the average Muslim feels about more Muslim immigration; believe it or not Muslims fucking hate this shit and are scared of being targeted as well.

[phonics]

I agree they fucked up hard. I've been to some areas in Paris that unbelievably awful, and genuinely look like some Neo-Nazi satirical scene of the effects of mass immigration on European cities. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it for myself.

I've also been to parts of Paris that literally are Neo-Nazi hubs. It's just how the country is and always has been.

Fuck, 50% of the country barely even noticed the French Revolution had even happened.

[Bartholomert]

I don't understand 'banning Muslim immigration' as a concept.

Do you ban everyone who has ever said they are a Muslim? How do you prove someone is or isn't a Muslim? Is everyone from a predominantly Muslim country automatically Muslim? What if they LIE?

It's just so farcically unworkable.

You would ban people on the basis of their ancestry, and then put the burden on proof on those who were Christian/Atheist/Other to prove their allegiance.

[randomlegend]

Fucking hell :D

"You can stay if you draw Mohammed. You promise that's him? Pinky promise? Alright then I believe you."

[Giggles]

That is exactly how I'd describe these terrorists. What demographic do Muslims want to wipe out exactly?

And yes.

Demographic was the wrong word. Everyone else is basically who they want to wipe out. You, me, and everyone like us.
They're not head cases with romantic notions though, they're completely brainwashed to be pure evil with zero sense of right and wrong. I'd compare them more to a programmed machine with one command.

[GS]

Provided you had somewhere to put them, you could deport a few million people relatively easily. Think about the obvious precedent.

Has anyone considered Madagascar?


You would ban people on the basis of their ancestry, and then put the burden on proof on those who were Christian/Atheist/Other to prove their allegiance.

You realise that's what the Nazis did, right?

[Spoonsky]

They rounded up all the Japanese in the 40s while fighting a war on the side. If there was a political will to do it, it could be done. I also think most Westeners overestimate how the average Muslim feels about more Muslim immigration; believe it or not Muslims fucking hate this shit and are scared of being targeted as well.

1) That was before the Holocaust was known
2) That was before the internet / mass media existed
3) That was during a World War, people didn't give a shit about anything else

Even given all that, maybe it's still possible, maybe somewhere like Turkey, but not for a Western democracy like France. It just wouldn't work.

[phonics]

Mert has said multiple times that he believes in eugenics.

Along with his nationalist streak and other ideologies, he basically is the definition of a neo-nazi.

[Bartholomert]

In all seriousness I am genuinely considering quietly getting some sort of paperwork stating that I'm Christian Orthodox. Welcome to 2016 in the West :(

[GS]

1) That was before the Holocaust was known
2) That was before the internet / mass media existed
3) That was during a World War, people didn't give a shit about anything else

Even given all that, maybe it's still possible, maybe somewhere like Turkey, but not for a Western democracy like France. It just wouldn't work.

I don't think anyone sensible is signed up to some of the things that mert, giggles et al seem to be suggesting.

[Bartholomert]

Has anyone considered Madagascar?

You realise that's what the Nazis did, right?

Dude I'm not advocating for it, but I guarantee you could roughly do a good job of it if you really wanted to and weren't too fussed about collateral damage. It's a shocking step that I strongly doubt and hope will never be taken, but a society under threat when pushed to the brink will do whatever necessary to ensure its survival.


Mert has said multiple times that he believes in eugenics.

Define 'eugenics'?

[GS]

Dude I'm not advocating for it, but I guarantee you could roughly do a good job of it if you really wanted to and weren't too fussed about collateral damage.



Define 'eugenics'?

You'd never get away with it, even if there was a government mental enough to try it.

[Bartholomert]

You'd never get away with it, even if there was a government mental enough to try it.

The Germans, one of the most enlightened and developed nations in the heart of Europe, attempted much worse 75 years ago. Humans are very much capable of such acts.

[Lewis]

The much more likely scenario would be that an authoritarian (not necessarily dictatorial) government just makes it impossible to be all Muslim and that. Close their social spaces, disrupt their meat supplies, ban all of their clothes and symbols... Yes, it would obviously radicalise a fair amount of them in the short-term, but more would just leave (unlucky, Belgium), and that would go some way towards solving the problem with 'home grown' idiots being born into the climate.

It wouldn't even have to discriminate, since you could just stifle all religious expression in the hope and expectation that the Muslims crack first.

[Bartholomert]

French TV just said that they should look into expanding access to private gun ownership for self-defense :rasta:

[Spoonsky]

The world's completely different to how it was in 1939. There are institutions in place precisely to stop that sort of shit from happening.

@1464

[Bartholomert]

The world's completely different to how it was in 1914. There are institutions in place precisely to stop that sort of shit from happening.

@1464

- Said the President of the League of Nations in 1928

[GS]

The world's completely different to how it was in 1939. There are institutions in place precisely to stop that sort of shit from happening.

@1464

Quite. You also have the internet these days, making it much harder to do things "by stealth".

To change tack slightly, it's one of the reasons why the EU doesn't maintain the peace in Europe. Everybody would know if the Germans started getting more weapons, because you'd have someone post it on fucking Twitter. "Just seen a line of tanks heading towards the border with Poland... lol"

Nothing like this can be kept under wraps any more, and thus you wouldn't get away with it.

[Spoonsky]

Speaking of Muslims, I got a haircut in Ilford by some Middle Eastern guy today, for five pounds. Half the time, a quarter of the price and honestly a better result than I usually get in my shitty Westernized barber shop. Plus no small talk. Sign me up, ISIS.

[Bartholomert]

Edgy:

http://img.ifcdn.com/images/f2dc6e64f073f2629e727ba62fe878e67d80ef45b406125d2a 05bf0c7211365b_1.jpg

[phonics]

Quite. You also have the internet these days, making it much harder to do things "by stealth".

To change tack slightly, it's one of the reasons why the EU doesn't maintain the peace in Europe. Everybody would know if the Germans started getting more weapons, because you'd have someone post it on fucking Twitter. "Just seen a line of tanks heading towards the border with Poland... lol"

Nothing like this can be kept under wraps any more, and thus you wouldn't get away with it.

Not that I agree with mert but Crimea belonging to Russia completely disproves your point. You need to have other countries willing to act for something to be an issue.

[phonics]

Speaking of Muslims, I got a haircut in Ilford by some Middle Eastern guy today, for five pounds. Half the time, a quarter of the price and honestly a better result than I usually get in my shitty Westernized barber shop. Plus no small talk. Sign me up, ISIS.

Arab barbers are the best, I won't go to anyone else. My old guy did my edges with a cut-throat. So gud.

[Bartholomert]

Who would come to the defense of Muslims in France? Like genuinely create an issue and break ties with France over it? I would guess absolutely no one of note.

[GS]

Not that I agree with mert but Crimea belonging to Russia completely disproves your point. You need to have other countries willing to act for something to be an issue.

Everyone knew what was happening, but nobody gives enough of a shit about Crimea to do anything about it. It's Russian anyway.

[Lewis]

Who would come to the defense of Muslims in France? Like genuinely create an issue and break ties with France over it? I would guess absolutely no one of note.

Twitter. France taken down by a tidal wave of snark.

[Spoonsky]

Who would come to the defense of Muslims in France? Like genuinely create an issue and break ties with France over it? I would guess absolutely no one of note.

It's a valid point, and something like what Lewis said is definitely possible. But going about and rounding people up is just... eek. You'd have to think that someone like Merkel would draw a line and the rest would follow her.

[GS]

Twitter. France taken down by a tidal wave of snark.

And hashtags.

[Bernanke]

And hashtags.

#nice

[Bartholomert]

Some more dark humor, because what else is there to say:

https://s32.postimg.org/v0jnwr445/Sjw_c663c2_5882252.jpg

[phonics]

Thats it, I'm writing a bot that just quotes Mert posts and says 'Fuck off troll.' Cant be that hard.

[Lewis]

Does everyone follow Godfrey Elfwick on the Twitter? He dons these occasions.

[Bartholomert]

Does everyone follow Godfrey Elfwick on the Twitter? He dons these occasions.

8.5/10; would have chuckled more but he looks like a beta.

[Lewis]

That's the idea.

[John]

Ban trucks.

The next time some atrocity happens and you respond to it like that, 'ban buses', 'ban microwaves', 'ban pedalos', whatever, I'm banning you.


French TV just said that they should look into expanding access to private gun ownership for self-defense :rasta:

Excellent, TV news in the immediate aftermath of a mass killing on home soil is always right. Speak to the family of someone killed in a car crash and you're likely to hear a passionate argument for the death penalty.

[ItalAussie]

Remember how I told you to keep your gun politics to one thread, mert? If you go into one more thread discussing a tragedy and try and exploit it to incite gun arguments, I'm going to ban you for at least a week.. You have a perfectly good thread for discussing gun issues, and you're more than welcome to do so there - don't try and make every thread about them.

[Kikó]

84 dead. Brutal.

[Dquincy]

You realise that's what the Nazis did, right?

In the words of David Brent, "a good idea is a good idea...forever.".

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8WMuRt4Ewjs

[Magic]

We should modernise the concentration camp infrastructure and send them there to think about what they've done.

[Magic]

When GS being the liberal voice of reason you know WW3 is coming.

[Kikó]

The driver was playing Pokemon go apparently.

[Davgooner]

I see Giggles has gone full TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP.

Nutter.

[Giggles]

I see Giggles has gone full TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP.

Nutter.

What has Trump got to do with anything? This is France/Europe and I've no clue about or interest in an American leadership race.

[Magic]

https://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/fp/5-frying-pan-saved-life-crash-victim/

If only all those Bastille day celebrations had been frying pan based it might have been a different story. Do they have a Home Bargains in Nice? Maybe now they will.

[SvN]

That's fucking shit even by your standards

[Magic]

More in line with the thread;

Kick all the bastards out.

[Giggles]

Nice airport being evacuated apparently for suspect package in luggage area.

[phonics]

Nice airport being evacuated apparently for suspect package in luggage area.

I work at an airport. It gets evacuated due to a suspect package 2-3 times a day. It's just getting reported because media is there.

[Magic]

I know, people need to calm down. I was in Stanstead for 12 hours after I missed a flight and it got evacuated absolutely no times. In fact, I've never been in an airport when it's been evacuated. In fact, I've never heard of frequent evacuations on a daily basis of any airports. But oh well.

[phonics]

Only suspect package when you're at an airport is your shit filled trousers as you struggle to board a plane.

[SvN]

Fucking hell. :D